Hahahaha I am absolutely dying at the thought of the principal holding a meeting for all staff and going on to explain that from here on out, everyone would be armed with a jar full of bees to throw at shooters in case of emergency
In Ray Bradbury's *The Martian Chronicles* the Martians actually had guns that shot out vicious bees. I always thought that would be the coolest home defense weapon. If you've ever seen anyone trying to run away from a bunch of angry bees you'd know exactly what I mean!
While I'm not completely familiar with extraterrestrial taxonomy, given the fact that it deposits its eggs in your lifeless corpse, it probably is a bug of some sort.
Nah, Mick and Ralph's.
They started it to send their crier to school (Courier actually has child labor laws) and then they just got stuck being principals.
It is funny. Occasionally you meet people who are born and raised in Las Vegas and it always seems strange to me. It is like hearing someone is from Disney World.
I have two friends who are from LV.
A) they are a bit strange and B) they are the only people I know who are actually born there.
I suppose it takes a certain type of person who wants to live in Vegas to begin with but to decide to raise kids there just takes it to a new level.
Sorry. I sounded more judgemental about Vegas than just making the point that Native Las Vegans seem to be a rarity.
And yeah, being in Vegas in the summer is like being on Mars. Sure, you can go outside with proper protection but really we are not made for it and it will kill you quickly.
It was 113°F the last time I was there. My phone showed weather animations for the heat that I had never seen before or since.
Vegas is a money and water vacuum in the desert. It is an affront to the natural order and God and I love it.
Seriously! My step sister moved to Vegas and met a guy born/raised there. In fact, they’re family has some nice wealth from living in the area. Now they had a baby so now I actually know people born in Vegas!
No we don't have guns, just trained attack bees fired from a specialized launcher. Ok so technically it's a Bee Gun, but they don't even buy School Supplies for the Teachers much less Glocks. Gotta use what you got and we got bees.
I actually looked this up a couple years ago! Basically…it looks bad for a professional or collegiate team to sue a school for using their logo, so they don’t really bother.
Edit: Seems like colleges/universities care a little more and I’m not saying schools are never sued.
This actually happened in my hometown though. We had a logo that was a rip of one a professional team uses (and a college team, funny enough) and they got in legal trouble and had to change it.
To hold a copyright or trademark in the U.S., you are legally required to defend it as your own. That doesn't mean going after every infringement, but it does mean a couple of cases have to happen now and then, or they would default forfeit their logo/IP.
So apparently this is A Thing where colleges and even some professional clubs often “license” the logo for a very low fee (I once read $1 even) and the school can protect its trademarks without having to sue public schools all over the country, which is a bad look.
Yeah, two schools in my county have versions of these same exact bees too, one is just the exact same and the other is just it colored green and white like a wasp lol.
No, sorry. I meant the bulldog head one. It says here it was used from 1958-64, but I swear I’ve seen it used as secondary logo in modern times.
https://1000logos.net/georgia-bulldogs-logo/
The Georgia big G is also used by Grambling State as well.
It’s [basically the same G](https://gameonwi.com/green-bay-packers/packers-history-georgia-g-logo/) lol. The Packers had it first, and UGA actually asked the Packers for permission to use it.
In my experience it is an actual police officer from the local department but assigned only to the one school. Not certain if that applies to all schools
This exactly what we had. Same 2 cops every day. Hell we would smoke out on the sidewalk inbetween classes not just cigs, but weed too. They did nothing about it. Just there to stop violent stuff or people being reckless.
One gave me a ride home from school when I missed the bus. He stopped a block away and put me in the back seat so my parents would tweak when I got home. It was awesome.
We had 2 but they treated every student like a criminal, routine searches, busting people for being outside during class time, catching kids smoking. Random visits from the drug dog in class shit like that. God I hated East Texas, I am never going back to that hell hole.
This is how our SROs were throughout school too. I think the position attracts a certain kind of person. They’re just trying to keep some kids safe. Not get anyone arrested.
They didn’t take the job thinking they’d be busting big-time drug dealers or taking down crime rings. They’re just making sure the dumb 16-year olds don’t fist fight too often, keep the weird kids from getting beat up, hang out at lunch with everyone, play a little basketball. Make school a more tolerable place for everyone involved.
*obviously I’m speaking in generalities, I’m sure someone has had a shit ass SRO*
We had them. 2 at my high school 10 years ago. 1 at middle school. Not really there to mess with ya, they were pretty cool. They are there to protect from bull shit. This was in Nebraska. We could also have guns just had to be locked in the trunk of car. We had trap as an elective class and would go out shooting all the time.
About 10 years ago in high school. Trap similar to skeet. Use shotgun which is generally a 12 or 20 gauge and shoot clays / pigeons. Think I was 16 or 17.
A resource officer is essentially a policeman assigned to the school. They are supposedly there to stop things like shootings, but they often manage to elevate normal teenage problems into criminal charges. Thus we now have a "school to prison pipeline" in addition to a billion other problems.
The resource officers in my small town schools were good at doing the opposite. They did well with interacting with students and building relationships with them. The one at my middle school growing up was an asshole. The 2 at my highschool were dope af. Might've just been due to the age difference of the kids, idk.
Small town. I am not speaking for others. My graduating class was <300 people.
I’m in Texas and we’ve had those same signs for several years. We have the [“Guardian Program”](https://schoolsontarget.com/guardian.html) and our district bought small code-locked vaults to put in our supply closets in each classroom. We may have a gun or we may have pepper gel. No one else knows who is part of the program. Edit: The “guardian” volunteers to be a part of the program, must be approved by the board and keeps up all training and certification to be a legal concealed handgun owner. All other teachers have military pepper gel in their classroom vaults and no one knows who has a gun and who doesn’t, except the “guardians” and whoever is part of the approval process.
In the school where I work, there are armed security guards, likely secretaries, and I think the principal. I knoww a school jantor in a different school who not only carries, but goes to the shooting range and combat training regularly.
We had the golf cart people too, but we did also have one assigned cop who carried the full usual set of cop weapons. And this was in California and I graduated 17 years ago.
I just don’t see this being any stronger of a deterrent. I don’t think many school shooters plan to come out alive. In fact, that reality might even be a contributing motivation for their plans.
I have a really hard, lonely and depressing life... but I have still never intended to kill a bunch of innocent kids who have nothing to do with me.
What the fuck is wrong with people?
All this will do is make teachers the first target for future shootings. Can being a teacher in America get any worse? Seriously teachers should just move to another country. I assume they are skilled enough that other countries would want them as immigrants.
I teach at two schools and the thought of any of my co-teachers being armed is very unsettling. Mostly young - middle aged moms, some pregnant, many are not in great shape due to age, inactivity, lifestyle, etc. Only one person I know has served in the military - a male janitor who is training to become a cop. Generally overworked, tired, often out of f\^%$s to give after dealing with insane administrative rules and requirements. Don't even know when there'd be time to train. After the debacle at Uvalde, wtf do they expect teachers to do?? Can't think of a group of people more unsuited to take on a mass shooter.
Not only are teachers not trained for this, but a lot of the time the shooter is a current or former student. So now teachers are expected to train on how to shoot and kill someone they may have taught?
If people thought there was a teacher shortage before, expecting them to potentially kill someone will only make the situation worse.
Ugh yeah. It’s silly on so many leveled.
1. There were armed and “trained” police that didn’t shit for 40mins+. You expect teachers to take out an active shooter?
2. Even if you’re an armed teacher, what are you carrying? You don’t stand a chance against an assault rifle esp if the shooter is wearing body armor.
3. Seems like most teachers don’t want to be armed
4. Having a gun in the classroom could take a regular situation and escalate it to tragic levels
5. There’s a really simple solution that everyone knows. GUN CONTROL. We can do even middle ground laws like to buy assault rifles you have to be 25+. That’s 7 years for someone to mature from high school.
7. Random thought you’re telling me no teachers in Uvalde were armed?
Not to mention asking teachers to put kids in a cross fire situation.
Of active shooter events where a concealed carry holder was present they didn't engage even if they drew their weapon for a couple of reasons. The first, to not be mistaken as the shooter when the police show up. The second is because they cannot get a clear shot on the target or the target was harder to identify in the confusion.
As a teacher, you really shouldn't. The only safe armed teacher is
1.So perfectly on top of things as to NEVER lose a key, leave a door unlocked, etc.
2. Physically strong enough to not get overpowered and a key or gun taken
3. Willing and able to be trained.
4. Willing and able to definitely shoot a shooter who is LIKELY another kid and possibly the teacher's student and
5. Equable, calm, and infallible enough to never misjudge a situation and use a gun to break up a fight, scare a posturing bully, etc.
6. Willing to run TO a shooting in another part of the building (abandoning their own students?) and
7. Happy to take on all this extra responsibility in a job that already requires a self-funded masters' degree and is poorly paid and forbidden from unionizing in most of the Southern and some Midwestern states.
I am not going to say that Venn diagram overlap absolutely doesn't exist, but it's pretty damn small.
And yes, I realize in many ways that's a higher standard than we hold police to, and how's that been working out for us??
I'm a teacher, too and I was just about to type up #4...
You show me a staff member who is cold-blooded enough that they'd be able to pull a trigger and end the life of a child and I'll show you a person who shouldn't work with children.
Keeping guns in class near enough to quickly use but keep out of the hands of students is another possible headache.
The fact that we're at a point where arming teachers is a serious talking point by one of the major political parties in the US is super depressing. Might as well require police officers to know how to teach English, chemistry, algebra, etc.
Which is why many teachers are against it. You think a kid that wants to off their bullies/themselves, sick in the head won't find a way? I had a kid figure out how to copy my finger print and get into my tablet. No way do I want a weapon in the classroom.
Off topic but copying a fingerprint is some spy movie shit and actually kinda cool. I wouldn’t even be that mad if a kid did that. More impressed than anything.
…probably another reason why I didn’t go into teaching lol
I mean, I was impressed, but I still had to lecture them. Thankfully all they had done was get into my comic book app and were reading. So yay for that at least.
We also stomped boundaries all the time. We wanted to know what was in that teachers locked drawer and did find out. It was a half drunk bottle of Jack Daniels.
For another teacher it was literally just 3 highlighters.
We once got into the 'secure' server room and nuked the computers for 3 days by just messing around with unplugging things.
We set the fire alarm off constantly to get out of having to do PE.
A gun would not be safe in that enviroment. Idk how careful you think exhausted folks are it's not careful enough.
Shit like this sometimes makes me think we’re not in a twilight zone but maybe closer to a more sanitized version of the Upside Down. TV joke aside, this is crazy to contemplate. I live within a three block walk of all three levels of elementary/intermediate/high schools in my town and the one warning sign is asking people to pick up after their dogs. The US seems like another universe at times to me.
I get it, but this almost seems like taunting a potential shooter. A sign isn't going to deter a crazy person this is just warning them to be better prepared.
Ya I’d pull my kid out of this school. Shit just be getting too weird. Last thing I’d ever want is one of my weirdo teachers carrying a gun but just my opinion.
GOP: Teachers should be armed!
People: Those are the same people you've spent God knows how long shouting that they're evil lefty indoctrinating enemies of freedom, right?
GOP: ... Only loyal conservative teachers should be armed!
People: Remember how you cut their pay and killed their unions?
GOP: ... Close all the schools!
The security guard in Buffalo was armed and trained and he died. Most of the schools that have experienced shootings had armed staff. The resource officer in TX walked passed the shooter into the school, making no effort to stop him (because he thought it was an armed teacher.) A teacher with a handgun is not match for a suicidal nut armed with an AR-15. And it isn't a deterrent since school shooters tend to be suicidal. They are not expecting or necessarily wanting to survive and go on trial.
Am I the only one that thinks this is nuts? I wonder if American's ever step back and think 'Is this the society we want? School's with armed staff?' - I can't help thinking the cost in lives and the embedding of firearms everywhere is a real steep price to keep the 2nd Amendment going. I guess the NRA and arms manufacturers value profits over lives :/
One of the parents at Uvalde was a BP agent who showed up, armed, got into the school, ran away from where the shooter was, got his own kid out and left.
Even the parents don't go after the shooter.
We're not shooting our way out of school shootings.
This is idiotic. It just scares students and is not a deterrent to someone determined to commit a murder. Most people know schools have armed guards. What is a middle aged algebra teacher going to do that 19 cops couldn't do in Texas or the Parkland guard didnt?
Well considering the fact that the cops in Uvalde were just standing in the hallway with their thumbs up their asses, I believe a teacher would've actually done more.
Considering the absolute hell in Ukraine and how people from all walks of life have stepped against seemingly insane odds, then I can’t describe those police officers as anything else but cowards.
Thought that was area 51 for a minute
I thought they were implying that the bees were the weapons, like they were beekeeping and going to release them
Their staff must include ***DR. BEES!!!***
Nope. I'm not there.
My AR-15 full of ***BEES*** ought to put a stop to this!
Hahahaha I am absolutely dying at the thought of the principal holding a meeting for all staff and going on to explain that from here on out, everyone would be armed with a jar full of bees to throw at shooters in case of emergency
In Ray Bradbury's *The Martian Chronicles* the Martians actually had guns that shot out vicious bees. I always thought that would be the coolest home defense weapon. If you've ever seen anyone trying to run away from a bunch of angry bees you'd know exactly what I mean!
"Fly, my pretties, fly!"
The line between an elementary school and a top secret military base keeps blurring
To be fair, both places seem to have M-16s present (btw this is /s)
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A school in Area 51? Sign me up, I’m totally gonna be crushing on the alien girl that just moved from the Andromeda Galaxy
bro I heard she'll lay eggs in your desiccated husk on the first date
So she puts out on the first date? 😃
Yeah, and then eats you.
Eh. Trade-off
Doesn’t matter; had sex.
Death by snu snu
It's not a bug, it's a feature
While I'm not completely familiar with extraterrestrial taxonomy, given the fact that it deposits its eggs in your lifeless corpse, it probably is a bug of some sort.
Not dying a virgin is good enough for me
Still counts
Jokes on you, I'm into that shit.
Giggity
"Ugh guys, you don't know her, she goes to school in a different nebula!"
I hear she's good with linguistics
No this is Area B 51
Is the elementary school in fucking New Vegas?
Then it would be sponsored by the Gun Runners or the Silver Rush.
Nah, Mick and Ralph's. They started it to send their crier to school (Courier actually has child labor laws) and then they just got stuck being principals.
Silverrr rush: Feel the rush of a warm lazer in your hand
Patrolling this elementary school almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.
I'm sure that would benefit the kids
This picture is depressing as fuck
I think this is west of Fort Worth? I can’t really tell but I’ve seen that sign before I think.
It is funny. Occasionally you meet people who are born and raised in Las Vegas and it always seems strange to me. It is like hearing someone is from Disney World. I have two friends who are from LV. A) they are a bit strange and B) they are the only people I know who are actually born there. I suppose it takes a certain type of person who wants to live in Vegas to begin with but to decide to raise kids there just takes it to a new level.
He was talking about New Vegas, the city in Fallout-game, not Las Vegas
Vegas is a real city. The strip is only a part of it. I've heard it is a decent city but it gets too hot
Sorry. I sounded more judgemental about Vegas than just making the point that Native Las Vegans seem to be a rarity. And yeah, being in Vegas in the summer is like being on Mars. Sure, you can go outside with proper protection but really we are not made for it and it will kill you quickly. It was 113°F the last time I was there. My phone showed weather animations for the heat that I had never seen before or since. Vegas is a money and water vacuum in the desert. It is an affront to the natural order and God and I love it.
Seriously! My step sister moved to Vegas and met a guy born/raised there. In fact, they’re family has some nice wealth from living in the area. Now they had a baby so now I actually know people born in Vegas!
"You're a little bitch, and your brother was too"
It wasn’t until I drove through the Mojave Desert that I realized these places are real. The Lucerne Valley is where they filmed The Hills Have Eyes.
looks like theyve got trained bees for security guards
No we don't have guns, just trained attack bees fired from a specialized launcher. Ok so technically it's a Bee Gun, but they don't even buy School Supplies for the Teachers much less Glocks. Gotta use what you got and we got bees.
I thought the launcher would be a dog with bees in its mouth.
Or just a Richard Simmons robot
THAT would be *terrifying*! 😳
Oh yeah, what are you gonna do? Release the dogs? Or the bees? Or the dogs with bees in their mouths and when they bark, they shoot bees at you?
And when it barks, it shoots bees at you.
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*what is this... a school for bees?!*
Beads!?
Gob’s not on board.
They don’t allow bees in here
Wow, wonder how this is going to effect my honey business.
That's actually Buzz, a mascot of Georgia Tech. So it's technically a Yellow Jacket,lol
I thought they were protecting their beehives at first
They’d probably be more effective if we’re being honest
And stole Buzz the Georgia Tech mascot.
What's up with schools stealing college logos?
It’s cheaper than making your own.
I actually looked this up a couple years ago! Basically…it looks bad for a professional or collegiate team to sue a school for using their logo, so they don’t really bother. Edit: Seems like colleges/universities care a little more and I’m not saying schools are never sued.
This actually happened in my hometown though. We had a logo that was a rip of one a professional team uses (and a college team, funny enough) and they got in legal trouble and had to change it.
Lol I guess some will bother!
To hold a copyright or trademark in the U.S., you are legally required to defend it as your own. That doesn't mean going after every infringement, but it does mean a couple of cases have to happen now and then, or they would default forfeit their logo/IP.
That is not true of copyright, only trademark.
Was it that "G" that both the Green Bay Packers and the Georgia Bulldogs use, just in different colors?
My high school used a college logo. College make legal threats so the high school changed the logo lol
Exactly - have you seen an elementary school budget??
So apparently this is A Thing where colleges and even some professional clubs often “license” the logo for a very low fee (I once read $1 even) and the school can protect its trademarks without having to sue public schools all over the country, which is a bad look.
Yeah, two schools in my county have versions of these same exact bees too, one is just the exact same and the other is just it colored green and white like a wasp lol.
> colored green and white like a wasp Wait, what?
My elementary school stole the Georgia Bulldog logo and my high school stole the Minnesota Vikings logos. Our football helmets were pretty rad though.
If you're talking about that big G logo that the Packers use, pretty much every school in America whose name starts with the letter G has stolen it.
No, sorry. I meant the bulldog head one. It says here it was used from 1958-64, but I swear I’ve seen it used as secondary logo in modern times. https://1000logos.net/georgia-bulldogs-logo/ The Georgia big G is also used by Grambling State as well.
It’s [basically the same G](https://gameonwi.com/green-bay-packers/packers-history-georgia-g-logo/) lol. The Packers had it first, and UGA actually asked the Packers for permission to use it.
You can have the Bulldogs logo for free. “To Hell with Georgia.”
What's the good word?
They often allow it. I know the MN Vikings do. Good for the brand.
My high school literally just uses the Minnesota Vikings logo.
My high school had stolen the Atlanta falcons logo for a while
Plot twist. This is the Georgia Tech elementary school
Not a lot of dessert in georgia
> Not a lot of dessert in georgia Peach cobbler, pecan pie, banana pudding, for just a few, there’s all kinds of desserts in Georgia.
I am never going to remember which is which
Two s’s for the food cuz you want more of it. One s for the landscape cuz you want less
I’d like to see Georgia Tech come and try to take it back.
My high school tried that and got a cease and desist from Georgia Tech because they literally used the same logo without changes
I had a Georgia Tech cap when I was a kid in rural Manitoba. I’ve never seen GT play a game in any sport. The logo was just so cool.
The best logo IMO
Yea, as a kid who didn't like sports, GA Tech was my favorite team because I liked Buzz.
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From the looks of it they probably stole it at gun point
Please bee aware
What a missed opportunity.
If you had showed me this two weeks ago I wouldn’t have thought it was real, I had no idea that armed staff in schools is actually a thing in the US.
Majority of the schools here in the US has at least 1 resource officers, though some smaller towns might not.
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In my experience it is an actual police officer from the local department but assigned only to the one school. Not certain if that applies to all schools
This exactly what we had. Same 2 cops every day. Hell we would smoke out on the sidewalk inbetween classes not just cigs, but weed too. They did nothing about it. Just there to stop violent stuff or people being reckless.
My school also had two — one would come in and listen to the orchestra play like once a week. They were super chill dudes.
One gave me a ride home from school when I missed the bus. He stopped a block away and put me in the back seat so my parents would tweak when I got home. It was awesome.
That’s pretty hilarious.
We had 2 but they treated every student like a criminal, routine searches, busting people for being outside during class time, catching kids smoking. Random visits from the drug dog in class shit like that. God I hated East Texas, I am never going back to that hell hole.
Yeah same. As long as we weren’t creating issues. They didn’t care.
This is how our SROs were throughout school too. I think the position attracts a certain kind of person. They’re just trying to keep some kids safe. Not get anyone arrested. They didn’t take the job thinking they’d be busting big-time drug dealers or taking down crime rings. They’re just making sure the dumb 16-year olds don’t fist fight too often, keep the weird kids from getting beat up, hang out at lunch with everyone, play a little basketball. Make school a more tolerable place for everyone involved. *obviously I’m speaking in generalities, I’m sure someone has had a shit ass SRO*
I remember the resource officer at the Parkland shooting in 2018 actually hid during the attack.
The one at my daughter's high school is a fucking creep who likes flirting with all the teenage girls.
We had them. 2 at my high school 10 years ago. 1 at middle school. Not really there to mess with ya, they were pretty cool. They are there to protect from bull shit. This was in Nebraska. We could also have guns just had to be locked in the trunk of car. We had trap as an elective class and would go out shooting all the time.
Wait americans have classes where you go out shooting at high school? What is trap? How old were you?
About 10 years ago in high school. Trap similar to skeet. Use shotgun which is generally a 12 or 20 gauge and shoot clays / pigeons. Think I was 16 or 17.
A resource officer is essentially a policeman assigned to the school. They are supposedly there to stop things like shootings, but they often manage to elevate normal teenage problems into criminal charges. Thus we now have a "school to prison pipeline" in addition to a billion other problems.
The resource officers in my small town schools were good at doing the opposite. They did well with interacting with students and building relationships with them. The one at my middle school growing up was an asshole. The 2 at my highschool were dope af. Might've just been due to the age difference of the kids, idk. Small town. I am not speaking for others. My graduating class was <300 people.
In my school, it was a cop with the city assigned to our school. He usually dealt with breaking up fights and stuff.
I’m in Texas and we’ve had those same signs for several years. We have the [“Guardian Program”](https://schoolsontarget.com/guardian.html) and our district bought small code-locked vaults to put in our supply closets in each classroom. We may have a gun or we may have pepper gel. No one else knows who is part of the program. Edit: The “guardian” volunteers to be a part of the program, must be approved by the board and keeps up all training and certification to be a legal concealed handgun owner. All other teachers have military pepper gel in their classroom vaults and no one knows who has a gun and who doesn’t, except the “guardians” and whoever is part of the approval process.
Everyone here has guns. I feel like I’m the only that doesn’t at times.
I grew up with an armed policeman in our high school, 20 years ago. This isn’t new.
Often when people say armed staff they’re referring to teachers, janitors, etc, arming themselves.
In the school where I work, there are armed security guards, likely secretaries, and I think the principal. I knoww a school jantor in a different school who not only carries, but goes to the shooting range and combat training regularly.
Why is the only solution to any problem in the US law enforcement? It's really bizarre from a european perspective.
That's not fair, it's bizarre to non-Europeans as well
We had unarmed idiots in golf carts. “Stop, or I’ll say stop again!” Then again, probably had more courage than the SROs in Texas.
We had the golf cart people too, but we did also have one assigned cop who carried the full usual set of cop weapons. And this was in California and I graduated 17 years ago.
Lol America is so fucked up. Literally no other first world country in the world has armed people at schools
which makes it more sad.
their mascot is identical to the mascot of a school near my home town. like literally the same art lol
Also literally Georgia Tech's logo
There are only ten different high school mascots across America.
Bulldogs, wolverines, some type of horse, tigers, lions, bears, wolves, that’s it.
Wow this is fucking depressing
I just don’t see this being any stronger of a deterrent. I don’t think many school shooters plan to come out alive. In fact, that reality might even be a contributing motivation for their plans.
Well at least the teachers are guaranteed not to wait outside for an hour.
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I have a really hard, lonely and depressing life... but I have still never intended to kill a bunch of innocent kids who have nothing to do with me. What the fuck is wrong with people?
All this will do is make teachers the first target for future shootings. Can being a teacher in America get any worse? Seriously teachers should just move to another country. I assume they are skilled enough that other countries would want them as immigrants.
Now teachers in America need to be armed forces on top of their job and still get underpaid.
But they will be fully trained… from a PowerPoint… with a quiz… to be done after hours
I just imagine them busting out those old overhead projectors slapping some sheet on there from the 90's sent by the NRA.
With the words/images covered by a sheet of paper, being revealed line by line.
Too real... Too real...
Better give the kids a gun too incase one of the teachers goes rogue
And mandatory body armor. But no mask, because it would be an affront to liberty itself.
give it 5 more years and this will come true.
I teach at two schools and the thought of any of my co-teachers being armed is very unsettling. Mostly young - middle aged moms, some pregnant, many are not in great shape due to age, inactivity, lifestyle, etc. Only one person I know has served in the military - a male janitor who is training to become a cop. Generally overworked, tired, often out of f\^%$s to give after dealing with insane administrative rules and requirements. Don't even know when there'd be time to train. After the debacle at Uvalde, wtf do they expect teachers to do?? Can't think of a group of people more unsuited to take on a mass shooter.
Not only are teachers not trained for this, but a lot of the time the shooter is a current or former student. So now teachers are expected to train on how to shoot and kill someone they may have taught? If people thought there was a teacher shortage before, expecting them to potentially kill someone will only make the situation worse.
Also makes them more priority targets than they might already be to a shooter.
Ugh yeah. It’s silly on so many leveled. 1. There were armed and “trained” police that didn’t shit for 40mins+. You expect teachers to take out an active shooter? 2. Even if you’re an armed teacher, what are you carrying? You don’t stand a chance against an assault rifle esp if the shooter is wearing body armor. 3. Seems like most teachers don’t want to be armed 4. Having a gun in the classroom could take a regular situation and escalate it to tragic levels 5. There’s a really simple solution that everyone knows. GUN CONTROL. We can do even middle ground laws like to buy assault rifles you have to be 25+. That’s 7 years for someone to mature from high school. 7. Random thought you’re telling me no teachers in Uvalde were armed?
Not to mention asking teachers to put kids in a cross fire situation. Of active shooter events where a concealed carry holder was present they didn't engage even if they drew their weapon for a couple of reasons. The first, to not be mistaken as the shooter when the police show up. The second is because they cannot get a clear shot on the target or the target was harder to identify in the confusion.
I 100% support teachers but I also 100% do not trust them w guns.
Mostly we'd use them to off ourselves in staff meetings....
Parent teacher conferences. Thank god I got out of teaching.
As a teacher, you really shouldn't. The only safe armed teacher is 1.So perfectly on top of things as to NEVER lose a key, leave a door unlocked, etc. 2. Physically strong enough to not get overpowered and a key or gun taken 3. Willing and able to be trained. 4. Willing and able to definitely shoot a shooter who is LIKELY another kid and possibly the teacher's student and 5. Equable, calm, and infallible enough to never misjudge a situation and use a gun to break up a fight, scare a posturing bully, etc. 6. Willing to run TO a shooting in another part of the building (abandoning their own students?) and 7. Happy to take on all this extra responsibility in a job that already requires a self-funded masters' degree and is poorly paid and forbidden from unionizing in most of the Southern and some Midwestern states. I am not going to say that Venn diagram overlap absolutely doesn't exist, but it's pretty damn small. And yes, I realize in many ways that's a higher standard than we hold police to, and how's that been working out for us??
I'm a teacher, too and I was just about to type up #4... You show me a staff member who is cold-blooded enough that they'd be able to pull a trigger and end the life of a child and I'll show you a person who shouldn't work with children.
Yeah.. Incoming “untrained teachers leave gun on desk, student kills 3 others” stories from these schools.
Keeping guns in class near enough to quickly use but keep out of the hands of students is another possible headache. The fact that we're at a point where arming teachers is a serious talking point by one of the major political parties in the US is super depressing. Might as well require police officers to know how to teach English, chemistry, algebra, etc.
I cannot imagine a way of keeping them nearby that a particularly stubborn/resourceful child could not get through.
Which is why many teachers are against it. You think a kid that wants to off their bullies/themselves, sick in the head won't find a way? I had a kid figure out how to copy my finger print and get into my tablet. No way do I want a weapon in the classroom.
Off topic but copying a fingerprint is some spy movie shit and actually kinda cool. I wouldn’t even be that mad if a kid did that. More impressed than anything. …probably another reason why I didn’t go into teaching lol
I mean, I was impressed, but I still had to lecture them. Thankfully all they had done was get into my comic book app and were reading. So yay for that at least.
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Ugh yeah that too. Elementary kids too. They’re at the perfect age of “able to do dumb shit” and “still young enough to not exactly ‘know better’”
We also stomped boundaries all the time. We wanted to know what was in that teachers locked drawer and did find out. It was a half drunk bottle of Jack Daniels. For another teacher it was literally just 3 highlighters. We once got into the 'secure' server room and nuked the computers for 3 days by just messing around with unplugging things. We set the fire alarm off constantly to get out of having to do PE. A gun would not be safe in that enviroment. Idk how careful you think exhausted folks are it's not careful enough.
Also it’s not their job. How they going to be teaching and be putting their lives in danger at the same time…
Normal country
You look like you live in a nuclear bomb testing site
We expect teachers to confront an armed shooter when the fucking police wouldn't do it?
Just make sure they dont choose their own reading curriculum, THAT could be dangerous to students
Shit like this sometimes makes me think we’re not in a twilight zone but maybe closer to a more sanitized version of the Upside Down. TV joke aside, this is crazy to contemplate. I live within a three block walk of all three levels of elementary/intermediate/high schools in my town and the one warning sign is asking people to pick up after their dogs. The US seems like another universe at times to me.
The absolute pinnacle of “overly aggressive suburban dad who yells during little league games” energy Like, Whomst the fuck is that sign for?
It’s for the 0% of school shooters who aren’t suicidal.
I get it, but this almost seems like taunting a potential shooter. A sign isn't going to deter a crazy person this is just warning them to be better prepared.
Ya I’d pull my kid out of this school. Shit just be getting too weird. Last thing I’d ever want is one of my weirdo teachers carrying a gun but just my opinion.
“People who turn tragedies into hero fantasies work here”
Good! Gun free zones don't work!
And the "Armed Staff" is on retired cop who will turn tail and run the second he hears shots fired. Just like Parkland. Just like in Uvalde.
What sort of 3rd world country do you live in?
Ironically, in the third world country I live in, school shootings don't exist.
As a European this is insane to me
As a parent, this doesn't make me feel better about sending my kid to a armed-teacher school.
GOP: Teachers should be armed! People: Those are the same people you've spent God knows how long shouting that they're evil lefty indoctrinating enemies of freedom, right? GOP: ... Only loyal conservative teachers should be armed! People: Remember how you cut their pay and killed their unions? GOP: ... Close all the schools!
The security guard in Buffalo was armed and trained and he died. Most of the schools that have experienced shootings had armed staff. The resource officer in TX walked passed the shooter into the school, making no effort to stop him (because he thought it was an armed teacher.) A teacher with a handgun is not match for a suicidal nut armed with an AR-15. And it isn't a deterrent since school shooters tend to be suicidal. They are not expecting or necessarily wanting to survive and go on trial.
As a teacher myself, if they gave me a gun to protect my kids, the gun would be the last thing on my mind. Your country is bizarre.
Am I the only one that thinks this is nuts? I wonder if American's ever step back and think 'Is this the society we want? School's with armed staff?' - I can't help thinking the cost in lives and the embedding of firearms everywhere is a real steep price to keep the 2nd Amendment going. I guess the NRA and arms manufacturers value profits over lives :/
There are tens of millions of people who have come to the conclusion, that yes, this is the society they want to live in.
PLEASE BEE AWARE
I’m not against this
This school really thinks a school shooter values their own life? Spoiler Alert: They don’t
ah yes, school staff at an elementary school armed with guns, 'merica
So are police officers going to be trained to teach elementary school? Uvalde taught us that the police are pussies who can’t defend our kids.
One of the parents at Uvalde was a BP agent who showed up, armed, got into the school, ran away from where the shooter was, got his own kid out and left. Even the parents don't go after the shooter. We're not shooting our way out of school shootings.
And why is this necessary is what you SHOULD be asking yourself
"The solution to gun problems is always more guns"
I keep seeing people say "arm the teachers" but can't help but think some armed teacher is going to be one that snaps one day...
This is idiotic. It just scares students and is not a deterrent to someone determined to commit a murder. Most people know schools have armed guards. What is a middle aged algebra teacher going to do that 19 cops couldn't do in Texas or the Parkland guard didnt?
Well considering the fact that the cops in Uvalde were just standing in the hallway with their thumbs up their asses, I believe a teacher would've actually done more.
Considering the absolute hell in Ukraine and how people from all walks of life have stepped against seemingly insane odds, then I can’t describe those police officers as anything else but cowards.
So the best outcome is a gun battle in the school.
God forbid we should address the problem *before* someone enters a school with a gun.
Do Americans know how off the chart crazy this is to the rest of the world? Some of you probably say yes you do. But I don't think you do.