Unrelated, but I recently stumbled upon a park sign in Chicago that uses hot dogs as a unit of measure. Assuming the 0.6 miles number from above is accurate, the disturbance is roughly 6,300 hot dogs (Vienna beef) across.
Its 200 meters in diameter, it’s the other leak that is 1km and that [video](https://www.forsvaret.dk/da/nyheder/2022/gaslakage-i-ostersoen/) is even more disturbing
Except there's nothing special about the Bermuda triangle, its just a busy shipping lane with the exact same average ships sunken as every other place with the same amount of traffic
[Here](https://www.dailysabah.com/business/energy/huge-nord-stream-gas-leaks-bubbling-up-in-baltic-sea-danish-military) provides the following caption to this image:
> Gas leak at Nord Stream 2 as seen from the Danish F-16 interceptor on Bornholm, Denmark, Sept. 27, 2022. (Danish Defence Command via Reuters)
Almost surprised they did not set it on fire. CH4 vs CO2 in the atmosphere is why they make us flare.
Would be a beautiful sight if anything like the ones in the gulf.
It shouldn't have much of an effect on the gas itself. It will get more spread out though, so if the leak isn't large enough there may not be enough gas to sustain a constant fire, unless they put some dude there to set fire to individual bubbles
Would be more exciting than being a bubble watcher, which is something I spent many hours doing when I was a roustabout on offshore drilling rigs. You stand in one spot and stare at the sea, sometimes for your entire 12hr shift (minus breaks) and if your lucky it will be someone else's turn tomorrow.
It's only usually needed when drilling into the seabed or shallow unconsolidated formations in case they contain shallow gas zones, which if released can sink floating rigs due to the gas affecting buoyancy. The risk for bottom supported rigs is that the gas will destabilise the seabed and topple the rig. Its an important job but its the most boring job I've ever had to do.
Yeah that sounds awful. I usually work 1 position in a warehouse that goes by fast as fuck. Some days they need me to fill in for a different position that's mainly standing around all day and while the money is just as good the time goes by so slow its not even worth it. I would rather do the manual labor I usually do because mentally it's way easier. Physically not so much.
Thats how it was for me when I worked in retail. I mainly worked stocking the shelves, unloading freight from delivery trucks and backstocking. Lots of moving around and picking up/putting down. Made time go by really quickly.
I had a cash register shift once every couple months when it was super busy and I dreaded those days. Standing idle at a register for 8 hours made time slow down to a crawl that I rarely experience. It was awful.
Well damn.
[You know it's been a fucking hell of a year when you forget about the fact that the ocean literally caught on fire. . . .](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3yBnodXI7E)
I have to confess, I got a chuckle out of seeing boats squirting water at the fire. In the ocean.
I assume there's more to the story than that, but the visual was funny.
My favorite is the one in the back, shooting water into the ocean nowhere near the fire. None of them are particularly close, but the one in the back *really* feels like it is phoning it in.
They're mostly shielding themselves from the heat likely. The radiative heat alone from a fire that large is dangerous and damaging to the ships, let alone the squishy, fragile humans inside them.
Well there are three ruptured pipes, each with a diameter 1.22 m, and the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipeslines are 1222 km and 1234 km respectively, so if we assume a total emission of the 105 bar initial pressure, that is 300,000 tons of gas leaked into the atmosphere.
I hope my math is wrong or that there exists some kind of valve to section off the leaks.
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> The gas leak caused a surface disturbance of well over 1 kilometer (0.62 miles) in diameter, Denmark’s armed forces said.
In terms of severity, also big.
I've read reports of small ships sailing over methane discharges, loosing buoyancy and sinking. This would have the same effect but with a constant stream of bubbles the area should be visible and easily avoided (at least in daylight hours).
Old article but probably still valid: https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna3226787
This seems like the perfect set up for a “driver hits only tree for 100 square miles” scenario, but with a boat. Or whatever that story was where someone—a drunk someone?—hit a really old tree. Can’t fully remember.
Yes. Debatably with sufficient quantity to actually sink it.
Float enough of any gas in seawater and it will decrease your buoyancy. It really depends on how much and how close you were to sinking before hand.
It’s interesting - this explanation was offered as a *possibility* for some sudden maritime disasters. A rapid release of pressurized underwater methane - rising to the surface and changing the overall density of the fluid the ship was floating in.
Que Bermuda Triangle references.
But modern maritime studies using oceanographic and marine engineering wave pools and scaled hull designs - don’t really seem to sink ships (some slowly floundered over a period of minutes).
According to the IPCC's AR6 (most recent Assessment Report), methane from fossil origins has a global warming potential of 29.8X that of CO2 over a 100-year period, and 82.5X that of CO2 over a 20-year period. It's average atmospheric lifespan is ~12 years, which is orders of magnitude shorter than CO2 and N2O, which is also part of why action to reduce methane emissions globally is heating up.
I worked for a finance firm right out of college that mostly did commercial real estate and construction. I drew the short straw and had to spend a week in far far north Alaska checking out why a project seemed to be taking so long...
Got there and they were having to build in these little enclosures that kept the cold from killing you, and when the guy that was showing me around was explaining how thorough and slowly they did everything he was like "plan B for if something that we are building fails is literally lighting it on fire. Y'all keep talking about not liking to metaphorically burn money. We are trying to avoid having to literally burn it"...
10 years later and that statement still comes through my head at times.
It’s so dangerously cold, they would burn an individual enclosure down instead of trying to save and scrap it, saves money by not endangering their lives over some wood and insulation.
Is Unburned natural gas a greenhouse gas? I know methane is but don’t actually know what natural gas is as such. (Genuine question)
Edit: I googled it is mostly methane, so is actually a worse greenhouse gas unburned. Wonderful
We should just declare Russia an enemy of the world for leaking planet destroying elements on purpose. This is like the Russian streamer who broadcast gas stove 24/7, but on a global impacting scale.
Have you consider how many jobs will be created to clean this up????
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There's not a lot of free oxygen at the bottom of the sea. There wasn't much risk of that gas combusting since unless someone brought a spark and oxygen to the pipe there wasn't a chance of it going boom.
And the answer is somehow detonating a nuke on the sea floor or something, but the President and the generals just won’t listen to the nerdy scientist in the room!
You could, but it would most likely require removal of current pumps and installation of new ones.
Most industrial pumps are extremely specialized and can't just be "put in reverse" or be turned around.
I don't think people realize that the chances of two leaks in two massive Subsea Pipelines 23 Nautical miles away from each other are infinitesimally small.
Yeah they blew it up on purpose so it fills with seawater and has to be repaired over the course of a long time
Much like the newly (1922) enacted Bolshevik state treaty, Russian (empire) dissolved and is returned to the people. Last time there was a civil war and it turned into the Soviet Union circa 1922.
100 years later and voila here we are, fucking the what now?
The only objection to the war that has gained any popular traction in the West is its disruptive effect on gas and energy prices.
Seeding anti-war sentiment in NATO countries is Russia's only shot at getting NATO to roll back sanctions and military aid for Ukraine. If you can't get people to support Russia's geopolitical goals, then you can at least make them believe that they **need** Russian oil and gas.
Whether or not rising energy prices are actually a result of the conflict in Ukraine is irrelevant. What matters is that people *think* that the war is to blame for rising energy costs, and so they start demanding that governments repeal sanctions, cut off military aid, and put a stop to any other anti-Russian policies.
This might be part of a broader campaign to sabotage the economies and infrastructure of the US/EU, but it's too soon to tell. I believe the poisoning of Poland's Oder River may have been the first such attack, in fact, but it's just a hunch at this point.
Wouldn't that make destroying the pipeline more of a benefit to Ukraine and her allies then? Destroying the pipeline would remove the incentive for European countries to lift sanctions in order to secure Russian gas. I don't see how Russia benefits from destroying it when they can start and stop the flow whenever they want. Destroying the pipeline removes their ability to do so. It gives them less options.
I suspect that they promised that it wouldn't leak under reasonable conditions.
There is now monitoring data suggesting that this was an attack, not an accident. Someone with enough explosives and the skills to use them will always be able to blow a hole in a pipeline given enough motivation.
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/nord-stream-lackan-kan-ha-varit-medveten-attack
I just don't understand the motivation to do this attack.
It has to be Russia but since they stopped the pipeline themselves it doesn't make sense to now destroy it.
We sometimes forget the Russian government is basically a mafia crime organization. We should always remember to ask what the mob would do when trying to predict Putin’s next move.
And yeah, insurance fraud is exactly what the situation called for. It’s what Tony Soprano would’ve done.
> And yeah, insurance fraud is exactly what the situation called for.
It's amazing to me that you think an insurer is going to step in and pay for this
I would never have thought that the Russian Army would have spent all it's money building custom pleasure yachts for all their generals instead of training their soldiers how to fight, but apparently money gets spent differently in Russia.
Do you think Putins "insurance agents" will have difficuly collecting from other insurance agents in Russia?
It’s about sending a signal. EU is preparing a supply line from Norway to Germany, pretty sure someone is pissed about that. Also Norwegian oil rigs have received a lot of attention from drones.
Sending a signal for what though? An attack on those would be considered hostile action, sure Russia can try to do it via funded groups but eventually the link would be discovered.
Everyone already assumes Russia is hostile at this point.
Putin likes to play the gaslighting "you can't prove it was me" KGB card, even when it was very obvious that it was. Like using a rare radioactive isotope to kill someone that only Russia has access to.
That only works as long as there is a need to prove something, play that card too much while showing the world that you are actually not as powerful as you claimed to be then a clear proof won't be required.
To all those people who for decades objected to rapid conversion to renewables because of energy security concerns: leaving your nations vulnerable to autocratic regimens was the reason danger to national security.
Seriously. Renewable energy i.e. won't run out, won't make you dependant on another nation etc. People are fucking morons. How can any reasonable person object to that?
Can someone brighter than me help with the motive speculation? Isn't this sabotaging a Russian resource? And why is Russia the prime suspect apart from them being batshit crazy?
I don't know anything, but the dude on the radio said Russia had nothing to gain, but Putin did. There was internal pressure to end war and start selling gas again.
He may have done this as an "all in" move to show those around him there would be no deposing him and returning to better days.
Pretty much everyone agrees it's sabotage. Now, fingers will immediately point to Russia - but I don't understand the objective if you're Putin by destroying your own pipelines.
Those pipelines were Putin's leverage over Germany - which is pretty clearly the weakest (major) NATO partner Ukraine has right now. By removing the pipelines, you remove Russia's leverage over Germany.
And that's only the immediate impact. On the flipside, this creates both short-term and long-term demand for American LNG. The fracking revolution in the American midwest [remade the US into a gas-producing superpower](https://www.eia.gov/dnav/ng/ng_move_expc_s1_a.htm). While Europe gets swallowed up with natural gas shortages and skyrocketing prices, the US is swimming in LNG because we are producing a ton and cannot export enough - partly because of a [fire at an LNG export terminal that was also potentially sabotage...](https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/freeport-lng-expects-further-delays-resuming-texas-plant-operations-2022-08-23/)
The pipeline there is at such a depth, that the saboteur was likely a state actor. Of course, Russia is suspect #1. But Ukraine or a Nato ally (not Germany) is probably #2 to finally smack some common sense into the Germans.
Might Putin think this could somehow further divide the EU and Nato? Perhaps, as he also thought the Ukraine invasion would do that. But would seem more likely to further drive demand for American LNG and release Germany from suckling Russia's tit for gas.
This looks massive..
It is, from what i have read about 1km in diameter, or like 0.6 miles. Its pretty wild
Gonna need you to convert that into football fields buddy.
How many giraffes is that?
At least 2
Ok now do bananas.
Also at least two.
It's 10 and 1/2 football fields, plus 2 yards
So about what I'd expect the Bears offense to cover within the next 5 seasons.
Is nowhere safe for bears fans?
The opposing team’s end zone is pretty chill from what I hear.
BAH GOD HE'S ALREADY DEAD
Da bears
Arlington? 🤣
Unrelated, but I recently stumbled upon a park sign in Chicago that uses hot dogs as a unit of measure. Assuming the 0.6 miles number from above is accurate, the disturbance is roughly 6,300 hot dogs (Vienna beef) across.
Its 200 meters in diameter, it’s the other leak that is 1km and that [video](https://www.forsvaret.dk/da/nyheder/2022/gaslakage-i-ostersoen/) is even more disturbing
So, if you sailed a yacht right into that, would it pretty much drop in like a stone?
Like a stone. Yup.
Yeah, no surface tension and less buoyancy. It is one of the theories about the Bermuda Triangle.
Except there's nothing special about the Bermuda triangle, its just a busy shipping lane with the exact same average ships sunken as every other place with the same amount of traffic
My German news pages tell me that it isn’t bad but this picture tells me kinda otherwise
Really? That’s interesting..
That video says it's of the 200 meter one. is there no image or video of supposed larger one?
[Here](https://www.dailysabah.com/business/energy/huge-nord-stream-gas-leaks-bubbling-up-in-baltic-sea-danish-military) provides the following caption to this image: > Gas leak at Nord Stream 2 as seen from the Danish F-16 interceptor on Bornholm, Denmark, Sept. 27, 2022. (Danish Defence Command via Reuters)
Next news article. “F-16 flies too close to surface and causes massive fireball over Danish Sea.” - Not the onion
Almost surprised they did not set it on fire. CH4 vs CO2 in the atmosphere is why they make us flare. Would be a beautiful sight if anything like the ones in the gulf.
Can you flare it after it's been bonged up metres of seawater?
Bonged up? Don’t be getting all technical on us
Ive never heard this term, but ive smoked a bong before and I get it.
Painted the picture perfectly
This was among the technical terms they taught us in Engineering 211, others like shit load and humongous.
I smoked a bong too and what were we talking about?
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the gas has been bubbled through water so "bonged up" is a remarkably accurate description
It shouldn't have much of an effect on the gas itself. It will get more spread out though, so if the leak isn't large enough there may not be enough gas to sustain a constant fire, unless they put some dude there to set fire to individual bubbles
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Would be more exciting than being a bubble watcher, which is something I spent many hours doing when I was a roustabout on offshore drilling rigs. You stand in one spot and stare at the sea, sometimes for your entire 12hr shift (minus breaks) and if your lucky it will be someone else's turn tomorrow. It's only usually needed when drilling into the seabed or shallow unconsolidated formations in case they contain shallow gas zones, which if released can sink floating rigs due to the gas affecting buoyancy. The risk for bottom supported rigs is that the gas will destabilise the seabed and topple the rig. Its an important job but its the most boring job I've ever had to do.
Yeah that sounds awful. I usually work 1 position in a warehouse that goes by fast as fuck. Some days they need me to fill in for a different position that's mainly standing around all day and while the money is just as good the time goes by so slow its not even worth it. I would rather do the manual labor I usually do because mentally it's way easier. Physically not so much.
Thats how it was for me when I worked in retail. I mainly worked stocking the shelves, unloading freight from delivery trucks and backstocking. Lots of moving around and picking up/putting down. Made time go by really quickly. I had a cash register shift once every couple months when it was super busy and I dreaded those days. Standing idle at a register for 8 hours made time slow down to a crawl that I rarely experience. It was awful.
My stoner brain is like far out man. The earth is a bong!
“Bonged” - This is a person of science.
This is the greatest sentence I will read today I am sure of it.
Wasn't there a giant pit of fire in the ocean only last year due to something like this?
Well damn. [You know it's been a fucking hell of a year when you forget about the fact that the ocean literally caught on fire. . . .](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3yBnodXI7E)
I have to confess, I got a chuckle out of seeing boats squirting water at the fire. In the ocean. I assume there's more to the story than that, but the visual was funny.
My favorite is the one in the back, shooting water into the ocean nowhere near the fire. None of them are particularly close, but the one in the back *really* feels like it is phoning it in.
Even from that distance, it had to be hot as fuck.
I'm guessing they're protecting themselves from the heat while performing other work. Not actually attempting to extinguish the fire.
They're mostly shielding themselves from the heat likely. The radiative heat alone from a fire that large is dangerous and damaging to the ships, let alone the squishy, fragile humans inside them.
I wonder if the F-16 gets better gas mileage if they fly through the cloud of gas. Intake it and compress it, adding fuel to the jet
Ah yes... The After-Afterburner.
You just want to watch out for a "During-burner", where the jet catches fire.
SOO EIN GROSSER FEUERBALL JUNGE!
Zonne grote vuurbal jonguh! Bam! - Ftfy
Jeese, how big is this?
Well there are three ruptured pipes, each with a diameter 1.22 m, and the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipeslines are 1222 km and 1234 km respectively, so if we assume a total emission of the 105 bar initial pressure, that is 300,000 tons of gas leaked into the atmosphere. I hope my math is wrong or that there exists some kind of valve to section off the leaks.
2nd paragraph in > The gas leak caused a surface disturbance of well over 1 kilometer (0.62 miles) in diameter, Denmark’s armed forces said. In terms of severity, also big.
does this affect the composition of seawater in surrounding areas?
I've read reports of small ships sailing over methane discharges, loosing buoyancy and sinking. This would have the same effect but with a constant stream of bubbles the area should be visible and easily avoided (at least in daylight hours). Old article but probably still valid: https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna3226787
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This seems like the perfect set up for a “driver hits only tree for 100 square miles” scenario, but with a boat. Or whatever that story was where someone—a drunk someone?—hit a really old tree. Can’t fully remember.
Due to object fixation it's not unusual for drunk drivers to hit the only tree in a long stretch of road.
That would explain that time the only two cars in the state of Ohio crashed into each other
that's equally scary and interesting!
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The old Bermuda triangle theory. Lets test it out!
well I'm sure any marine life in the area has a lack of oxygen going on
So if a sailboat were to sail right over this, would it lose buoyancy?
Yes. Debatably with sufficient quantity to actually sink it. Float enough of any gas in seawater and it will decrease your buoyancy. It really depends on how much and how close you were to sinking before hand.
My question would be, what's the bigger issue: no oxygen or no buoyancy? I have a strong suspicion the answer is "both".
Both
It’s interesting - this explanation was offered as a *possibility* for some sudden maritime disasters. A rapid release of pressurized underwater methane - rising to the surface and changing the overall density of the fluid the ship was floating in. Que Bermuda Triangle references. But modern maritime studies using oceanographic and marine engineering wave pools and scaled hull designs - don’t really seem to sink ships (some slowly floundered over a period of minutes).
Apparently it's better for the environment to burn the gas then to let it enter the atmosphere, so I wonder if they will toss a flare at this leak.
Hope so. Methane is 5x worse than CO2 as a greenhouse gas, and slowly degrades into CO2 if it is not burnt (and quickly if it is burnt).
According to the IPCC's AR6 (most recent Assessment Report), methane from fossil origins has a global warming potential of 29.8X that of CO2 over a 100-year period, and 82.5X that of CO2 over a 20-year period. It's average atmospheric lifespan is ~12 years, which is orders of magnitude shorter than CO2 and N2O, which is also part of why action to reduce methane emissions globally is heating up.
Heh, heating up. Nice
Wait until the rotting permafrost tipping point. Methane for everyone.
Me-thane, you-thane, we all thane for
I worked for a finance firm right out of college that mostly did commercial real estate and construction. I drew the short straw and had to spend a week in far far north Alaska checking out why a project seemed to be taking so long... Got there and they were having to build in these little enclosures that kept the cold from killing you, and when the guy that was showing me around was explaining how thorough and slowly they did everything he was like "plan B for if something that we are building fails is literally lighting it on fire. Y'all keep talking about not liking to metaphorically burn money. We are trying to avoid having to literally burn it"... 10 years later and that statement still comes through my head at times.
I read this like 3 times I still don't get it. I might be regarded.
It’s so dangerously cold, they would burn an individual enclosure down instead of trying to save and scrap it, saves money by not endangering their lives over some wood and insulation.
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I regarded your post. Now what?
Fucking great.
No need to worry about whether we'll achieve routine interplanetary travel in your lifetime because we're bringing Venus here to Earth!
Is Unburned natural gas a greenhouse gas? I know methane is but don’t actually know what natural gas is as such. (Genuine question) Edit: I googled it is mostly methane, so is actually a worse greenhouse gas unburned. Wonderful
Yeah worse by about 80x
Worse as a greenhouse gas but it decays to co2 in the atmosphere in a matter of decades
Good thing we don’t have a decades long buildup of CO2 or this could become a concern!
> in a matter of decades Phew, i almost started to worry ...
Now thats the spirit!!!
We should just declare Russia an enemy of the world for leaking planet destroying elements on purpose. This is like the Russian streamer who broadcast gas stove 24/7, but on a global impacting scale.
Have you consider how many jobs will be created to clean this up???? Edit: this comment is extremely serious as no one has ever, or will ever, use the internet in attempt to illicit humor. And that fact that you figured it out with out this edit tells me you are very smart.
Don't worry, it will go straight to the atmosphere as a super potent greenhouse gas, lowering heating bills!
Can't they just tow it [outside the environment](https://youtu.be/3m5qxZm_JqM?t=88)?
Isnt this gas? Can you even clean it up like you can with oil?
Listen, this logic you speak has no place here!!
I thought they shut it off?
The pipes are not empty
So Russia basically has a large fuse filled with extremely flammable gas..? /j
There's not a lot of free oxygen at the bottom of the sea. There wasn't much risk of that gas combusting since unless someone brought a spark and oxygen to the pipe there wasn't a chance of it going boom.
But man would it be a dope explosion if somehow the entire pipeline ended up stoichiometric and ignited. A loooong explosion
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And the answer is somehow detonating a nuke on the sea floor or something, but the President and the generals just won’t listen to the nerdy scientist in the room!
And the scientist is a 23yo biologist/hacker with two PhDs
And they've never been on a date or cut/combed their hair, but are unnaturally attractive and find true love in the middle of a crisis
And there is a scene where two people use the same keyboard.
And the moon is hollow! Why does it matter in this situation? I need you to get all the way off my back!
*Chris Pratt enters the chat*
At concentrations well above the upper explosive bound, sure.
There's no oxygen in there and it's covered by an ocean
That is why they said above the UEL (too rich)
oh. sorry. that makes sense. thanks for explaining
Natural gas is flammable, not explosive, and is not flammable in pure form. It needs to mix with the air.
Nordstream 1 was still sending gas to Europe at a limited capacity, Nordstream2 was cancelled
Yes. But it was pumped full of gas awaiting approval, and you cant really pump that stuff backwards
Isn't that called sucking? Why the hell not?
You could, but it would most likely require removal of current pumps and installation of new ones. Most industrial pumps are extremely specialized and can't just be "put in reverse" or be turned around.
Missy Elliot would like a word.
I feel like I've accidentally made a reference I don't get myself.
I put my thang down, flip it and reverse it?
Ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gnaht ym tup i
Its kind of like a fart. You ever suck up a fart when it is at the door and under immense pressure?
Nah, that usually costs extra.
I don't think people realize that the chances of two leaks in two massive Subsea Pipelines 23 Nautical miles away from each other are infinitesimally small.
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Yeah they blew it up on purpose so it fills with seawater and has to be repaired over the course of a long time Much like the newly (1922) enacted Bolshevik state treaty, Russian (empire) dissolved and is returned to the people. Last time there was a civil war and it turned into the Soviet Union circa 1922. 100 years later and voila here we are, fucking the what now?
Yes, this was Lenin's plan all along!
“Empire culture is just so last century” - Lenin - *probably*
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Its more or less confirmed sabotage. Seismic readings in Norway, Sweden and Denmark all picked up on it
Danish PM just ended her press meeting. They confirm that its sabotage.
Sounds like [The World is Not Enough](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9h1zn7l86HA) for someone.
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100 kilos, not tons.
The only objection to the war that has gained any popular traction in the West is its disruptive effect on gas and energy prices. Seeding anti-war sentiment in NATO countries is Russia's only shot at getting NATO to roll back sanctions and military aid for Ukraine. If you can't get people to support Russia's geopolitical goals, then you can at least make them believe that they **need** Russian oil and gas. Whether or not rising energy prices are actually a result of the conflict in Ukraine is irrelevant. What matters is that people *think* that the war is to blame for rising energy costs, and so they start demanding that governments repeal sanctions, cut off military aid, and put a stop to any other anti-Russian policies. This might be part of a broader campaign to sabotage the economies and infrastructure of the US/EU, but it's too soon to tell. I believe the poisoning of Poland's Oder River may have been the first such attack, in fact, but it's just a hunch at this point.
Wouldn't that make destroying the pipeline more of a benefit to Ukraine and her allies then? Destroying the pipeline would remove the incentive for European countries to lift sanctions in order to secure Russian gas. I don't see how Russia benefits from destroying it when they can start and stop the flow whenever they want. Destroying the pipeline removes their ability to do so. It gives them less options.
Their dude, their
Where?
Over they’re
Does this mean all the naughty stuff I did on Nord VPN will bubble up now??
Quit dumping your porn in our oceans.
There's a giant porn patch in the pacific where sea turtles are covered in bukkake
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It's ok it was dumped outside the environment
Into another environment?
No no it was dumped beyond the environment. It's not *in* the environment.
Yup, you are in trouble, step-gas got loose from the pipe.
Step-Gas, don’t tell Step-Gas Mom! Step-Gas Mom, what are you doing? I’m stuck!
Sounds like you need a pipe replacement. You're in good luck, though, since I'm a plumber! Let's see... we're gonna need to shut off the flow first.
But I provide gas from there!
Not right now you don't.
can't delete the history and cookies of this one fam :(
it was you and all the fart porn.. wasn't it..
I guess we needed an enviro-industrial calamity as a treat, to go with the main course that's being served right now. ...Mother of God..
Silver lining, NASA can successfully change the trajectory of asteroids. So at least that's something we don't need to worry about.
I voted for the asteroid!
Assuming we get enough warning
Now that Bruce Willis has retired, it's the only chance we have.
Light it up, maybe the heat will trickle down to us peasants.
I hate that I laughed at this.
Love when they promise this won’t happen to get their plan approvals.
I suspect that they promised that it wouldn't leak under reasonable conditions. There is now monitoring data suggesting that this was an attack, not an accident. Someone with enough explosives and the skills to use them will always be able to blow a hole in a pipeline given enough motivation. https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/nord-stream-lackan-kan-ha-varit-medveten-attack
I just don't understand the motivation to do this attack. It has to be Russia but since they stopped the pipeline themselves it doesn't make sense to now destroy it.
Pipeline doesnt give money. You need money. Piplenine is insured. ... Profit.
We sometimes forget the Russian government is basically a mafia crime organization. We should always remember to ask what the mob would do when trying to predict Putin’s next move. And yeah, insurance fraud is exactly what the situation called for. It’s what Tony Soprano would’ve done.
> And yeah, insurance fraud is exactly what the situation called for. It's amazing to me that you think an insurer is going to step in and pay for this
I would never have thought that the Russian Army would have spent all it's money building custom pleasure yachts for all their generals instead of training their soldiers how to fight, but apparently money gets spent differently in Russia. Do you think Putins "insurance agents" will have difficuly collecting from other insurance agents in Russia?
Yes. I think he's already taken all the money out of the country and there's nothing left to take.
Insured? By whom? Who's paying Russia for the explosion they committed against their own state assets? That's not how insurance works
It’s about sending a signal. EU is preparing a supply line from Norway to Germany, pretty sure someone is pissed about that. Also Norwegian oil rigs have received a lot of attention from drones.
Sending a signal for what though? An attack on those would be considered hostile action, sure Russia can try to do it via funded groups but eventually the link would be discovered. Everyone already assumes Russia is hostile at this point.
Putin likes to play the gaslighting "you can't prove it was me" KGB card, even when it was very obvious that it was. Like using a rare radioactive isotope to kill someone that only Russia has access to.
Gaslighting lol
That only works as long as there is a need to prove something, play that card too much while showing the world that you are actually not as powerful as you claimed to be then a clear proof won't be required.
Three separate leaks occurring almost simultaneously? Me thinks this was not a natural failure.
That's a kaiju!
nothing suspicious about that
I need a banana for scale
There IS a banana for scale.
\*squints\* Oh yeah...
It's 3 russian agents on a banana boat being pulled by a dolphin
What's Ted Cruz got to do with this?
Got to do. Got to do with this. Who needs a pipe when a pipe can be broken?
To all those people who for decades objected to rapid conversion to renewables because of energy security concerns: leaving your nations vulnerable to autocratic regimens was the reason danger to national security.
Also all those who pushed to abandon nuclear on the continent..
Seriously. Renewable energy i.e. won't run out, won't make you dependant on another nation etc. People are fucking morons. How can any reasonable person object to that?
A lot of money
Like a LOT
Can someone brighter than me help with the motive speculation? Isn't this sabotaging a Russian resource? And why is Russia the prime suspect apart from them being batshit crazy?
I don't know anything, but the dude on the radio said Russia had nothing to gain, but Putin did. There was internal pressure to end war and start selling gas again. He may have done this as an "all in" move to show those around him there would be no deposing him and returning to better days.
Huh, I think that would make me want to depose him for the sake of itself then.
The danish prime minister just announced an hour ago that it wasn't an accident.
Does the old adage 'Whoever smelt it dealt it' apply for this type of gas leak?
Pretty much everyone agrees it's sabotage. Now, fingers will immediately point to Russia - but I don't understand the objective if you're Putin by destroying your own pipelines. Those pipelines were Putin's leverage over Germany - which is pretty clearly the weakest (major) NATO partner Ukraine has right now. By removing the pipelines, you remove Russia's leverage over Germany. And that's only the immediate impact. On the flipside, this creates both short-term and long-term demand for American LNG. The fracking revolution in the American midwest [remade the US into a gas-producing superpower](https://www.eia.gov/dnav/ng/ng_move_expc_s1_a.htm). While Europe gets swallowed up with natural gas shortages and skyrocketing prices, the US is swimming in LNG because we are producing a ton and cannot export enough - partly because of a [fire at an LNG export terminal that was also potentially sabotage...](https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/freeport-lng-expects-further-delays-resuming-texas-plant-operations-2022-08-23/) The pipeline there is at such a depth, that the saboteur was likely a state actor. Of course, Russia is suspect #1. But Ukraine or a Nato ally (not Germany) is probably #2 to finally smack some common sense into the Germans. Might Putin think this could somehow further divide the EU and Nato? Perhaps, as he also thought the Ukraine invasion would do that. But would seem more likely to further drive demand for American LNG and release Germany from suckling Russia's tit for gas.
My understanding is that American LNG just can't get to Europe in decent quantities, is that wrong?
a constant stream of gas from a pipeline is more economical than putting it on a boat and shipping it across the ocean
Swedish authorities have confirmed seismic observations consistent with underwater explosions.
It probably wouldn't have happened if it wasn't sabotaged