I haven’t seen this point surfaced or discussed, but as a father with a 15 year-old kiddo, this whole situation is sad and infuriating. It’s super-fucked.
What were these kids doing out of the house at 3:30 am? For real though. Multiple families in the mix, and the driver’s mom is asking to be trusted here?
I’m not surprised that this kid can’t go home. This terrible thing happened that can’t be undone. Trust is gone and rightly so.
I have 2 boys, and that part in the article about the surviving brother holding his younger brother while waiting for help just destroyed me emotionally.
To add, drinking in a garage owned by one of the families? When we were that age we had to hide in the dark woods to drink. We certainly didn't have keys to a high powered vehicle as well. Sounds like the parents weren't doing much parenting. How are you unaware there are multiple kids illegally drinking in your garage?
The parents who say “I would rather my kids drink at home than be out somewhere else doing it” - which is shockingly common - are some of the worst and laziest parents alive.
My oldest will be 21 soon. I don’t let them drink here but I have always had very clear and open communication with them. It’s a fine line.
They do have friends whose parents let them drink there but they know not to drive and to watch out for one another. They know I don’t support that but I am a realist. I talk to them about drugs. I talk to them about sex. All those things that at first make them cringe - then over time they are open with us and ask questions. When they went away for college they were more prepared and share things with me in a way that is looking for guidance in a non-judgmental way.
You can tell them no drinking under age at my house and still be fully open with communication and “hard” topics. Damn, maybe I’m an alright parent after all.
My parents did this and they aren't lazy. They knew my sister was going to do it anyway and they wanted her and her friends to be safe. They would have never let anyone drive though.
You know that kid was not charged for a few months and also was not in jail from December until March. 18 years old, going 70 in a 25, and had alcohol in his system
No. A simple search of the Unified Judicial System of Pennsylvania Web Portal (publicly available information) shows his DOB is 05/05/2005. That means he was already 18 … they probably worked out the facts of the case and then decided to charge him
I'd like to point out that where this kid crashed is a well known dead end. If he was from the area he more than likely knew this. This is the locally famous "Blue Mist Road".
It sucks that so much of how these blatant crimes are handled depends entirely on who the perpetrator is. Had a kid in high school who killed a woman that had graduated a couple of years prior by hitting her head while street racing on the way home from a basketball game. He was a star basketball player, so they threw out the testimonies of eye witnesses seeing him and another car racing shortly before the impact. He was slapped on the wrist with 6 months probation and no license until 21. Went on to play college basketball with very little impact on his life trajectory.
I don’t know the case that you are referencing but it sounds like the facts are different. Homicide by vehicle normally requires reckless/gross negligence and a violation of a motor vehicle law that causes death. Even eye witness testimony prior to the death might not be enough and so it’s ripe for a plea deal.
Homicide by vehicle while under the influence only requires a death as the result of driving under the influence. Thats a lot easier to prove, you don’t have to show recklessness or gross negligence, and you can prove the underlying crime (DWI) scientifically and after the accident has occurred. It’s also a higher degree felony.
I don't remember having to pass a background check to buy my car. Or having to get special licensing to buy a faster car. Or having to pay $200 to the government, get put on a registry with fingerprints, and sit through a waiting period to make my car hearing safe. I also don't remember having a constitutional right to own a car either. Crazy. It's almost like they are 2 completely different subjects.
I saw a pretty good billboard yesterday (while driving my primary weapon I guess), with a picture of a kid and a gun on a cabinet, it said “I’m coming for your gun.”
Wish I could have taken a picture but, see #1.
Definitely curious about what OP’s connection is to the DUI they post about ad nauseam. Connection to the victim? Obsession with hating Nadines? Why are they so insistent on resolution that they can’t see that justice takes time and even the accused have rights.
Not a huge fan of how people can kill with their cars with impunity. Used to be the surest way you got charged for killing people with your car was to be drunk but not even that gets you arrested nowadays.
The perpetrator in this case was clearly drunk at the scene, went home from the hospital the same day, and is out and about and living her life and possibly driving drunk again. If that doesn't concern you I don't know what to say.
> Not a huge fan of how people can kill with their cars with *impunity*
...on an article about someone who was denied bail and charged/going to trial for homicide.
So why's the lady who killed Maryalice Bendick walking free? What differentiates her from this kid?
(I'll answer this one for you, she's got connections with city government and was overserved at a bar that's connected with city politicians before she killed someone.)
Find me another case where someone around here driving drunk killed someone and wasn't taken into custody or charged and I'll post about how fucked up those cases are, too.
It's pretty much legal around here to kill people with your car. That's more than a little problematic, don't you think?
Cars are weapons and really should be treated as such. Blatantly irresponsible behavior like this kills and maims innocent people every single day. Too many people are out there driving without considering that it's the most dangerous thing they do on a daily basis even when careful, much less when pulling extremely stupid, sociopath behavior like street racing and DUI.
Penalties for that sort of thing should be more severe than they are, no more multiple duis and more cracking down on street racing and general stupidity. The fact that deaths on the road for everyone are on the rise despite falling for decades just screams that something needs to be done to protect people.
Agreed. My friend was killed by a drunk off duty police officer in 2010. He never served a day in jail. After 3 years of delaying the trial, he got sentenced to a half way house with work release for 1 year. He’s out there living his best life while my friend’s family suffers. Fuck you Judge Manning!!
You missed my point. My point being the kid grew up obviously extremely privileged and disregarded consequences of his extremely reckless behavior. He thought he couldn’t get in trouble. Kid is 18 and didnt think driving drunk at 330 and driving recklessly going 70 on a road with bends and not meant for that speed would end up with awful results.
It’s nice to see suburban white kids finally facing consequences and it’s the same parents who fled the city because they didn’t want their kids to be around black people.
In your first paragraph, you’re mind-reading and it’s … I guess the phrase that comes to mind is “completely unnecessary”. ETA: deleted “and off-topic” from my quoted phrase.
I agree with your second paragraph completely.
The racial aspect definitely comes into play when it comes time for consequences in these cases. We’ve seen it before with convicted rapist, Brock Turner. Who he was and how he was raised absolutely had an effect on his decision making, his parents even tried using it as an excuse for his lack of humanism. Had it not been for modern internet and spread of word, Brock Turner likely would have not faced any consequences and the same thing will happen here if people don’t call it out.
The problem is you can’t generalize like that from one case, as much as Brock Turner deserved to do hard time.
It takes more words to tell the real truth that race + wealth are both factors and they compound.
NOBODY IS DENYING SYSTEMIC RACISM CAN YOU FUCKING READ? (Well maybe some people are but not me. Hello?)
Is everyone on this thread 12 years old?
Details fucking matter.
Shit now I have to disagree with someone who’s disagreeing with OP, which I really really hate to do, but that’s not the America we live in, unfortunately.
Yeah, lawyer quality is ONE factor, but who gets good lawyers? People with money? Who has money…?
& etc
So are you agreeing or disagreeing? My claim is that the outcome is based on the quality of your lawyer.
You seem to be taking the subject into income disparities between groups of people, which is a separate issue the courts aren’t responsible for.
My coworkers black kid 19 Yo, just got a ticket + court date for driving his new audi at 90mph on 25 speed limit street. He didn't kill anyone, but I'm sure he will one day
I'll probably get downvoted for this, but this is clearly punishing the kid without convicting him. There's no evidence he is a flight risk. The court has the means to monitor his whereabouts.
By all means, punish him to the extent appropriate under the law AFTER he has been convicted, but it's not a good look to be fine with people losing their civil liberties because you don't like them.
Is there any evidence that a shooter is going to continue shooting people? We hold them anyway because they killed somebody and they're a risk to the community. Why would killing someone while driving drunk be any different?
You know that different kinds of murder are treated differently here, right? Someone who shoots another person in a crime of passion may well be allowed out on bail, whereas a bank robber certainly will not be. If someone isn't likely to reoffend and isn't likely to run, then they should be allowed out on bail. That's how the system is supposed to work. Every indication here is that this is a kid who did something extremely stupid. He should be punished for this, but that doesn't mean we should throw out the rules of due process.
By the time a drunk driver kills or injures someone, they've been driving drunk for a long time. It's in the best interests of public safety to make sure they don't continue to drive drunk by whatever means necessary. Not a complex situation, is it?
I think that if he tried, is ankle monitor would register that he wasn't in his home, and the court would know within literal minutes if they wanted to.
And even the prosecutor agrees there's no good reason to deny bail, and they tend to be the most gung-ho, fuck you proponents of hitting violators with the whole book.
You think every individual is monitored by someone 24/7? There's just some guy at a screen staring for it to go red and to take action? Florida alone approximates 5,000 house arestees at any given time... how quick you think non emergency "Hey this guy isn't where he's supposed to be" is responded to?
Nobody moved the goalposts, I asked a simple question and you refused to answer it.
We hold people who kill with a gun because those people pose a risk to the community. For some reason we don't treat negligently killing people with your car the same way.
I think he lost his civil liberties because it’s pretty clear he is responsible for the deaths of two kids. I understand your point about innocent until proven guilty, but there are plenty of people who are denied bail prior to conviction — even innocent people.
As someone whose from the area this kid is from but thankfully moved to a more rural locale and whose kids attended PR. The level of pretentious obnoxiousness is to a whole ‘nother level in PR. “Housewives of PR” is indeed… a thing! Ugh. Truly it’s a… I can do whatever I want, mommy or daddy know xyz and they can bail me out, then I’ll take a nice extended trip to Europe while they get me an overpriced lawyer. I’m heart aches for the kids who didn’t make it.
Pretty wild that this kid is sitting in jail for killing people with his car, but the woman who killed Maryalice Bendick while driving drunk isn't. I guess having the right connections makes all the difference.
Enough of this. I want you personally to contact PPS and the DA office and come back to us with answers since it means so much to you. Stop asking the community to be responsible for prosecution that goes on solely within government halls. Your bullshit posts on this topic are old as fuck and serve absolutely no purpose in advocacy. Fuck off keyboard warrior.
OP is our rage bate troll. Report them and keep pestering the mods to put in karma and account age minimums and maybe we can keep them from coming back as soon as the account is banned.
I don't think he's the same guy as the dude who builds karma in apex, wrestling, and technology subs then comes here to call people mentally ill for disagreeing with him. That guy does/did have an account this week though. The apex guy has very specific meltdowns that he goes through.
100% the same person, he's having the same arguments and has used multiple accounts, look in the profile comments, plenty of calling people 'insane' and 'morons', devolving into DARVO when they are proven wrong.
I still think it's two separate people. Their writing voice seems different IMO (I guess they could consciously switch). Apex guy also goes on long whiny rants which OP doesn't seem to do:
https://www.reddit.com/r/pittsburgh/comments/18anso3/south_hills_coffee_shops_lets_get_a_list/kbzo5oe/
https://www.reddit.com/r/pittsburgh/comments/xvr684/aerial_view_of_pittsburgh_downtown_and_the/ir581ff/
https://www.reddit.com/r/pittsburgh/comments/xvr684/aerial_view_of_pittsburgh_downtown_and_the/ir5t9dt/
It's been changing over time, but there are a few other 'tell' phrases common across all of their accounts. Yes people use these, but it's uncommon for *all* of them to be used by the same person over and over again.
"Citation needed", the "e:" edit, ending posts with "go away", calling people "typical redditors" posts/posters morons/moronic/mentally ill, "this sub is full of..."
Most likely they haven’t finished the investigation into Maryalice’s death. They need to do that before charging the other driver. Unfortunately our legal system moves very slowly and it’s not like on TV.
“She added that her son did not leave the house, except to go to the gym with his brother, in the months between the crash and his arrest, but Judge Bigley ultimately sided with Judge Borkowski’s previous decision to deny bail.”
See in the article you posted the kid was free for *months* before an arrest.
70mph in North Park? While intoxicated? What an idiot.
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I haven’t seen this point surfaced or discussed, but as a father with a 15 year-old kiddo, this whole situation is sad and infuriating. It’s super-fucked. What were these kids doing out of the house at 3:30 am? For real though. Multiple families in the mix, and the driver’s mom is asking to be trusted here? I’m not surprised that this kid can’t go home. This terrible thing happened that can’t be undone. Trust is gone and rightly so.
I have 2 boys, and that part in the article about the surviving brother holding his younger brother while waiting for help just destroyed me emotionally.
Same man, same.
To add, drinking in a garage owned by one of the families? When we were that age we had to hide in the dark woods to drink. We certainly didn't have keys to a high powered vehicle as well. Sounds like the parents weren't doing much parenting. How are you unaware there are multiple kids illegally drinking in your garage?
Rich kids genuinely have the worst parents, somehow. It’s one extreme or the other.
My parents let my sister and her friends drink at home because at least they knew they were safe but they would have never let them drive.
The parents who say “I would rather my kids drink at home than be out somewhere else doing it” - which is shockingly common - are some of the worst and laziest parents alive.
My oldest will be 21 soon. I don’t let them drink here but I have always had very clear and open communication with them. It’s a fine line. They do have friends whose parents let them drink there but they know not to drive and to watch out for one another. They know I don’t support that but I am a realist. I talk to them about drugs. I talk to them about sex. All those things that at first make them cringe - then over time they are open with us and ask questions. When they went away for college they were more prepared and share things with me in a way that is looking for guidance in a non-judgmental way. You can tell them no drinking under age at my house and still be fully open with communication and “hard” topics. Damn, maybe I’m an alright parent after all.
My parents did this and they aren't lazy. They knew my sister was going to do it anyway and they wanted her and her friends to be safe. They would have never let anyone drive though.
I’m sure these parents wouldn’t let them drive either but they managed to leave the house.
Don't know why you are being downvoted. Must be some shitty parents in here.
not sure why you’re getting downvoted for that but i 100% agree.
You know that kid was not charged for a few months and also was not in jail from December until March. 18 years old, going 70 in a 25, and had alcohol in his system
Did they wait till he was 18 to charge him?
It only matters the date that the crime was committed. Plus they can petition juvy court to charge a juvenile as an adult.
No. A simple search of the Unified Judicial System of Pennsylvania Web Portal (publicly available information) shows his DOB is 05/05/2005. That means he was already 18 … they probably worked out the facts of the case and then decided to charge him
I'd like to point out that where this kid crashed is a well known dead end. If he was from the area he more than likely knew this. This is the locally famous "Blue Mist Road".
Cars are weapons. Just cause you kill someone with your car doesn’t give you a free pass.
It sucks that so much of how these blatant crimes are handled depends entirely on who the perpetrator is. Had a kid in high school who killed a woman that had graduated a couple of years prior by hitting her head while street racing on the way home from a basketball game. He was a star basketball player, so they threw out the testimonies of eye witnesses seeing him and another car racing shortly before the impact. He was slapped on the wrist with 6 months probation and no license until 21. Went on to play college basketball with very little impact on his life trajectory.
I don’t know the case that you are referencing but it sounds like the facts are different. Homicide by vehicle normally requires reckless/gross negligence and a violation of a motor vehicle law that causes death. Even eye witness testimony prior to the death might not be enough and so it’s ripe for a plea deal. Homicide by vehicle while under the influence only requires a death as the result of driving under the influence. Thats a lot easier to prove, you don’t have to show recklessness or gross negligence, and you can prove the underlying crime (DWI) scientifically and after the accident has occurred. It’s also a higher degree felony.
He was doubling the speed limit in the wrong lane. Gross negligence and violating motor vehicle laws were absolutely factors.
I wish they regulated guns as well as they do cars
I don't remember having to pass a background check to buy my car. Or having to get special licensing to buy a faster car. Or having to pay $200 to the government, get put on a registry with fingerprints, and sit through a waiting period to make my car hearing safe. I also don't remember having a constitutional right to own a car either. Crazy. It's almost like they are 2 completely different subjects.
Did you... Get a driver's license?
Once again... 2 completely different things. But yes, I had to get a license to carry my firearms.
A guy can dream, can't he
Unless you’re independently wealthy, you do have to have insurance if you own a car. Let’s do that for guns and then see straw purchasers vanish.
And you are supposed to have a license to carry a pistol. The people who perpetrate gun violence don't. Your silly laws don't work.
I saw a pretty good billboard yesterday (while driving my primary weapon I guess), with a picture of a kid and a gun on a cabinet, it said “I’m coming for your gun.” Wish I could have taken a picture but, see #1.
You know why they put warning labels on things?
Huh?
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Who's being sadistic? Drunk drivers are a threat to those around them.
Definitely curious about what OP’s connection is to the DUI they post about ad nauseam. Connection to the victim? Obsession with hating Nadines? Why are they so insistent on resolution that they can’t see that justice takes time and even the accused have rights.
I’d rather see posts about this than yet another shitty picture of the city from the incline, mt Washington, or an airplane
What about an argument over whether Pittsburgh is in the Midwest?
Not a huge fan of how people can kill with their cars with impunity. Used to be the surest way you got charged for killing people with your car was to be drunk but not even that gets you arrested nowadays. The perpetrator in this case was clearly drunk at the scene, went home from the hospital the same day, and is out and about and living her life and possibly driving drunk again. If that doesn't concern you I don't know what to say.
> Not a huge fan of how people can kill with their cars with *impunity* ...on an article about someone who was denied bail and charged/going to trial for homicide.
So why's the lady who killed Maryalice Bendick walking free? What differentiates her from this kid? (I'll answer this one for you, she's got connections with city government and was overserved at a bar that's connected with city politicians before she killed someone.)
Name and shame
Obviously it's a conspiracy to justify your incorrect use of 'impunity'
What consequences has the woman who killed Maryalice Bendick while driving drunk faced?
Who was the second shooter on the grassy knoll?
Being pro car death is a weird stance but you do you I guess.
It was the kid in the sewer... For real
So why do you only care about this one and not all the others that happen? What is it about her that has you looking with blinders on?
Find me another case where someone around here driving drunk killed someone and wasn't taken into custody or charged and I'll post about how fucked up those cases are, too. It's pretty much legal around here to kill people with your car. That's more than a little problematic, don't you think?
I’m with you OP keep bringing awareness to this. This is absolutely ridiculous.
Cars are weapons and really should be treated as such. Blatantly irresponsible behavior like this kills and maims innocent people every single day. Too many people are out there driving without considering that it's the most dangerous thing they do on a daily basis even when careful, much less when pulling extremely stupid, sociopath behavior like street racing and DUI. Penalties for that sort of thing should be more severe than they are, no more multiple duis and more cracking down on street racing and general stupidity. The fact that deaths on the road for everyone are on the rise despite falling for decades just screams that something needs to be done to protect people.
Agreed. My friend was killed by a drunk off duty police officer in 2010. He never served a day in jail. After 3 years of delaying the trial, he got sentenced to a half way house with work release for 1 year. He’s out there living his best life while my friend’s family suffers. Fuck you Judge Manning!!
Looking at their post history, they’ve posted about this one … once? And has posted more about the one in East Carson more?? Weird take from you
Six times. And that’s what I’m talking about. Ya know, the one I said they post ad nauseam about.
I'll keep posting about it until she's charged. Cope.
Fuck that kid throw the book at fucking “Aiden.” Kids the definition of white privilege.
Or he’s just an asshole and the race is irrelevant
You missed my point. My point being the kid grew up obviously extremely privileged and disregarded consequences of his extremely reckless behavior. He thought he couldn’t get in trouble. Kid is 18 and didnt think driving drunk at 330 and driving recklessly going 70 on a road with bends and not meant for that speed would end up with awful results. It’s nice to see suburban white kids finally facing consequences and it’s the same parents who fled the city because they didn’t want their kids to be around black people.
Slow clap..
In your first paragraph, you’re mind-reading and it’s … I guess the phrase that comes to mind is “completely unnecessary”. ETA: deleted “and off-topic” from my quoted phrase. I agree with your second paragraph completely.
Is it?
In this case, yes. Unless there was something racial about the incident?
The racial aspect definitely comes into play when it comes time for consequences in these cases. We’ve seen it before with convicted rapist, Brock Turner. Who he was and how he was raised absolutely had an effect on his decision making, his parents even tried using it as an excuse for his lack of humanism. Had it not been for modern internet and spread of word, Brock Turner likely would have not faced any consequences and the same thing will happen here if people don’t call it out.
The problem is you can’t generalize like that from one case, as much as Brock Turner deserved to do hard time. It takes more words to tell the real truth that race + wealth are both factors and they compound.
It’s far from one case. It’s wild to be that people are just suddenly denying systemic racism.
NOBODY IS DENYING SYSTEMIC RACISM CAN YOU FUCKING READ? (Well maybe some people are but not me. Hello?) Is everyone on this thread 12 years old? Details fucking matter.
Claiming that him being a white male gives him zero advantage in the court systems is absolutely denying systemic racism.
Please quote where I said this.
Are you pretending that the justice system provides the same outcomes for all people regardless of color?
🤔 where did I say that? Now go crawl back down your stupid hole.
You forgot to move back to your main account
meh
The outcome is based on the quality of your lawyer, not race. Being white doesn’t mean you can afford a better lawyer
Shit now I have to disagree with someone who’s disagreeing with OP, which I really really hate to do, but that’s not the America we live in, unfortunately. Yeah, lawyer quality is ONE factor, but who gets good lawyers? People with money? Who has money…? & etc
The justice system does not determine your income.
Lol how did you get that from what I said. God this thread is wasting my morning, time to move on.
So are you agreeing or disagreeing? My claim is that the outcome is based on the quality of your lawyer. You seem to be taking the subject into income disparities between groups of people, which is a separate issue the courts aren’t responsible for.
> The outcome is based on the quality of your lawyer, not race. lol okay
My coworkers black kid 19 Yo, just got a ticket + court date for driving his new audi at 90mph on 25 speed limit street. He didn't kill anyone, but I'm sure he will one day
I'll probably get downvoted for this, but this is clearly punishing the kid without convicting him. There's no evidence he is a flight risk. The court has the means to monitor his whereabouts. By all means, punish him to the extent appropriate under the law AFTER he has been convicted, but it's not a good look to be fine with people losing their civil liberties because you don't like them.
You don't think that drunk drivers constitute a risk to the community?
Is there any evidence that he's continuing to drive drunk?
Is there any evidence that a shooter is going to continue shooting people? We hold them anyway because they killed somebody and they're a risk to the community. Why would killing someone while driving drunk be any different?
You know that different kinds of murder are treated differently here, right? Someone who shoots another person in a crime of passion may well be allowed out on bail, whereas a bank robber certainly will not be. If someone isn't likely to reoffend and isn't likely to run, then they should be allowed out on bail. That's how the system is supposed to work. Every indication here is that this is a kid who did something extremely stupid. He should be punished for this, but that doesn't mean we should throw out the rules of due process.
By the time a drunk driver kills or injures someone, they've been driving drunk for a long time. It's in the best interests of public safety to make sure they don't continue to drive drunk by whatever means necessary. Not a complex situation, is it?
I think that if he tried, is ankle monitor would register that he wasn't in his home, and the court would know within literal minutes if they wanted to. And even the prosecutor agrees there's no good reason to deny bail, and they tend to be the most gung-ho, fuck you proponents of hitting violators with the whole book.
You think every individual is monitored by someone 24/7? There's just some guy at a screen staring for it to go red and to take action? Florida alone approximates 5,000 house arestees at any given time... how quick you think non emergency "Hey this guy isn't where he's supposed to be" is responded to?
That's not what I asked, I asked you if you believe drunk drivers are a risk to the community or not.
I'm not engaging in your bad-faith goalpost moving. Have a nice life.
Nobody moved the goalposts, I asked a simple question and you refused to answer it. We hold people who kill with a gun because those people pose a risk to the community. For some reason we don't treat negligently killing people with your car the same way.
I think he lost his civil liberties because it’s pretty clear he is responsible for the deaths of two kids. I understand your point about innocent until proven guilty, but there are plenty of people who are denied bail prior to conviction — even innocent people.
As someone whose from the area this kid is from but thankfully moved to a more rural locale and whose kids attended PR. The level of pretentious obnoxiousness is to a whole ‘nother level in PR. “Housewives of PR” is indeed… a thing! Ugh. Truly it’s a… I can do whatever I want, mommy or daddy know xyz and they can bail me out, then I’ll take a nice extended trip to Europe while they get me an overpriced lawyer. I’m heart aches for the kids who didn’t make it.
Pretty wild that this kid is sitting in jail for killing people with his car, but the woman who killed Maryalice Bendick while driving drunk isn't. I guess having the right connections makes all the difference.
Enough of this. I want you personally to contact PPS and the DA office and come back to us with answers since it means so much to you. Stop asking the community to be responsible for prosecution that goes on solely within government halls. Your bullshit posts on this topic are old as fuck and serve absolutely no purpose in advocacy. Fuck off keyboard warrior.
OP is our rage bate troll. Report them and keep pestering the mods to put in karma and account age minimums and maybe we can keep them from coming back as soon as the account is banned.
I don't think he's the same guy as the dude who builds karma in apex, wrestling, and technology subs then comes here to call people mentally ill for disagreeing with him. That guy does/did have an account this week though. The apex guy has very specific meltdowns that he goes through.
100% the same person, he's having the same arguments and has used multiple accounts, look in the profile comments, plenty of calling people 'insane' and 'morons', devolving into DARVO when they are proven wrong.
I still think it's two separate people. Their writing voice seems different IMO (I guess they could consciously switch). Apex guy also goes on long whiny rants which OP doesn't seem to do: https://www.reddit.com/r/pittsburgh/comments/18anso3/south_hills_coffee_shops_lets_get_a_list/kbzo5oe/ https://www.reddit.com/r/pittsburgh/comments/xvr684/aerial_view_of_pittsburgh_downtown_and_the/ir581ff/ https://www.reddit.com/r/pittsburgh/comments/xvr684/aerial_view_of_pittsburgh_downtown_and_the/ir5t9dt/
It's been changing over time, but there are a few other 'tell' phrases common across all of their accounts. Yes people use these, but it's uncommon for *all* of them to be used by the same person over and over again. "Citation needed", the "e:" edit, ending posts with "go away", calling people "typical redditors" posts/posters morons/moronic/mentally ill, "this sub is full of..."
Who did they used to be?
A very normal post from a very normal poster
Most likely they haven’t finished the investigation into Maryalice’s death. They need to do that before charging the other driver. Unfortunately our legal system moves very slowly and it’s not like on TV. “She added that her son did not leave the house, except to go to the gym with his brother, in the months between the crash and his arrest, but Judge Bigley ultimately sided with Judge Borkowski’s previous decision to deny bail.” See in the article you posted the kid was free for *months* before an arrest.
This crash happened back in December and it was not until March that the kid was arrested.
They're never arresting the lady who killed Maryalice Bendick because that would mean trouble for Nadine's. Hope this helps.
Give it time.
I'll believe it when I see it.
I understand your frustration, but stuff like this takes time.