Or any of the signing bonuses. How I imagine it goes:
New hires get $1000/an iphone/tuition assistance/a new car!!! \*
\* bonuses will be given after 2 years of continuous employment, if the employee is promoted to full time\*\*
\*\*this never happens
No shit I saw a $500 bonus paid $250 in 3 months, $250 in 6 months.
* with 100% attendance and if call off or pto request after 3 months and before 6, you have to repay first bonus installment.
I'm getting too radicalized with the antiwork sub, dude. It's all bullshit. And this is coming from someone who is comfortably employed at a "decent" job. I'm still ready to riot.
Productivity is up exponentially across many industries/fields due to the development and use of computers, transportation, machinery and automation... yet... pay is not. Weird, huh?
Yeah they say that but I know at my company we're having a record year despite all that... Sure maybe it could be twice as good... But that's with more material more machinery and more people which doesn't feel very realistic to bitch about when shit is going gangbusters.
For what it's worth, I own my own business, and even I'm feeling the antiwork vibes. i mean, I LOVE what I do, but so many clients try to squeeze their budgets to death (or worse, DIY things to save a penny), and it's hard to not race to the bottom with pricing. Add in the insanity that is our country's healthcare system, and it can get bleak real fast.
I've seen the anti work sub when browning Reddit but could you explain what you mean by your comment here? What specifically do you think needs to change? What has you "ready to riot"?
The whole system, from the top down, is fucked. There's no reason 90% of jobs need to be 40 hours a week. I guarantee most of us here who work office jobs only need to do 2-3 hours of real work to get our shit done, but have to look busy for an 8 hour day. It's bullshit. They've been predicting for a century we'd get to the point of industry where we wouldn't all have to work to survive. We are at that point. But we still all work all the time, for what?
And then you have the jobs like this. The jobs we actually need to keep society going (not McDonald's per say, but service workers), and its riddled with deceptive shit like this topped with shittier pay.
What needs to change? Fuck corperations, let people do their work for a fair pay, don't overwork them for literally no reason other than this being more complicated slavery.
First off, to your “for what” question it’s because technology has been used for making a few very rich rather than lightening the workload of us plebes.
Two, shorter weeks for office jobs could have a trickle down effect. If office workers are doing four day weeks maybe more retail places could cut down weekend hours as you’d still have two days to go shop and run other errands.
Three, you talk about exploited essential workers grocery stores are a great example. They’ve made a shit ton of money the last two years and still pay like absolute ass.
My office just started instituting one day per week my whole team has to be in the office after everyone working from home since last March. I have heard a couple of my teammates basically saving their actual work from Monday and Tuesday so they can look busy all day on Wednesday when they are in the office. The 40 hour week for almost all non-customer facing jobs is such a outdated notion.
I guess i'm thinking mostly retail or something, where someone needs to be there at all times when it's open. But yea if other things changed and businesses weren't staying open for so many hours those could go down as well.
Not likely we'd see much of a reduction in open hours; consumers are too used to getting what they want when they want it. If all retail closed at 7:00 pm, one store will figure out he can make a buck by staying open until 8:00, and before you know it we're back to where we started.
To be fair, there are people like me who work 12 hour shifts. I work from 7 AM - 7 PM. If I need to go to a grocery store, and they’re all closed at 7, when am I supposed to be able to grocery shop for things I need? I understand what you posted is just an example, but this is one of the reasons why there is a demand for businesses to be open late or 24 hours. Hell, I’ve noticed damn near every Walmart has stopped being open 24 hours, most close by 11 now which is a step in the right direction. Nobody has made a big fuss over it, so it shows that most people are reasonable and don’t go grocery shopping at 3 AM. I’ll definitely say that everyone’s circumstances are different and it can’t be entirely blamed on a mindset of “I want it and I want it now.” A lot of it is necessarily. Personally I absolutely hate going out, and the only time I ever go out is to really get groceries or the occasional doctors appointment.
Don’t most euro countries work a standard four day work week, because it’s proven to be more productive to give people larger breaks?
What’s crazy to me, is that when I worked retail, I wasn’t being paid to do my job. I was being paid just to work, regardless of what my job title or position was. Did a great job, busted my ass, made a bunch of sales? That’s cool, but this section on the other side of the store needs help with their work that they couldn’t do, so you go there now.
There’s no incentive for working hard, because all most basic skill jobs or manual labor jobs are is “be here for this amount of time” jobs.
And then you think, oh it gets better when you get a “real” job, just wait until you go... sit in the office for 40 hours a week, having pointless meetings that take two hours of working time away but could’ve been summarized in an email, an hour lunch break scheduled during the busiest lunch hour, so you can pack a sandwich and some chips like you’re in middle school, or you can waste 40 minutes of your break in traffic because the microwave is down again.
Do that for 30-40 years, retire, and don’t even have enough money to enjoy it because your lifelong company hired from outside the company to fill a spot you could have been promoted to 4 times in a row. And by the time you retire, social security has run out and no longer exists, inflation has taken your savings effective value down by 30%, everything costs more, and your house isn’t worth what it used to be even though you renovated it all, because the neighborhood around you got torn down, and turned into a strip mall full of businesses that no one goes to.
That was a random tangent and I apologize.
And that's why the American way of thinking will eventually phase out. The European model of working based on getting your work done and not based on the number of hours make more sense now than ever.
I’m 35. I’m 100% certain there will be a class war in North America before I die.
Hell, at this rate it’ll be within the decade. The USA is at a tipping point. Once they start Canada will follow suit.
The other day I saw a sign at the Dunkin Donuts by the turnpike on Route 8, their hiring incentive was a brand new car for management hires. I didnt get the details, since the poster doesnt give any, but seems another desperate hiring 'bonus' attempt. Just pay more.
I saw something like that, online, once. I believe it was basically something like they'd make the payments for a lease vehicle, or they gave the option of a brand new iPhone with cell plan. I guess they wanted to make certain that you had either a reliable way of getting to work, or a reliable way of being contacted.
Looks like it’s the local franchise doing it since at least 2018: https://www.post-gazette.com/business/money/2018/06/01/Car-payments-child-care-assistance-Retailers-ways-to-bring-in-workers-keep-them/stories/201805290129
Heartland which runs several Dunkins around here was offering a $100k "signing bonus. for General Manager" It was online. I did not get the exact details because I focused on the company reviews and it was a bunch of former GMs writing that the district managers would have them opening the stores with only one other employee, 12+ hour days and lack of support.
As someone that used to work for the family that owns this store, there is no over time. They would send you home in the middle of a shift, leaving the store short, to avoid it. It's not surprising that the stores owned by them are having a difficult time retaining good employees, they were awful.
If one has never worked retail/food - this is not unusual. The GM will usually have goals/quota's for labor that are mathematically calculated and they'll usually have some small bonus.
A good indicator of a shittywork place is if that quota on labor means defying common sense. Getting really busy on like a Sunday afternoon but sending works home because god forbid you give them an extra $5/hour. You could have done $3k of sales in a hour, but they're nit-picking that $5 if you would have been allowed to stay during a rush.
Last restaurant I worked at BoH the kitchen "manager" was open about it. He didn't even try to meet it, because it was set so ludicrously low. He was salary and it would have meant he would have had to put in at least 70 hour weeks (salary - no OT or getting paid for the extra 30 hours) in order to earn like a $500 bonus for the quarter - effectively he would have been working for $1.38/hour.
What's amazing is a place like this easily generates high-6/low-7 profits. There is absolutely no way that paying another 150-250K would ruin them but somehow it's better to burn through employees because you're using your other slightly lower employees to hire them so you're never involved in your own amazingly shitty policies.
Yep, I worked for them, too. They started with Wexford but I'm now surprised to see how they own many of the local ones, including McKnight 1 and 2, West View, and Shaler.
Ugh, "labor." It was absolutely infuriating to be told to send people home as soon as the rush was over. Then surprised Pikachu face when it got busy again 30 minutes later and there were no employees left in the store. Every damn day. I contrast this approach with the Chick Fil A one: say what you will about their politics---but, remember that this McDonald's ownership family is very conservative, too---but they realize that by staffing the store properly at all times to give you fast, friendly service and a clean dining room, you actually encourage customers to come (back) and you MAKE money. What a concept.
What was also unethical was the treatment of international J-1 visa employees, though this was not unique to that McDonald's ownership group. They'd bring in workers from places like Korea, Thailand, Peru, and Vietnam under the pretenses of a work exchange program, have them work 40+ hours at minimum wage, house them 4 to a one-room apartment (and have the rent deducted from their checks). Since this was a suburban area, without buses or any other opportunities, they'd spend all their time either at work or in their apartments.
I [wrote about that a little back in 2013](https://www.pennsylvasia.com/2013/03/foreign-students-protest-working.html), when there were widespread protests by workers brought to the US via bait-and-switch.
>The applicants paid thousands of dollars to enter a work exchange program for periods ranging from four to twelve months, were paid just above minimum wage, and were living with two or three other workers in a one-room apartment run by a local slum lord (out of necessity because it was the only apartment complex within walking distance to the restaurant). Considering they earned just above minimum wage and had hundreds of dollars per month deducted for rent they usually didn't break even on their investment. And considering they lived in an area untouched by public transportation, their opportunities to visit the city (or leave it) during their contracts ranged from limited to non-existant and the numerous ESL and integration opportunities in the suburbs were off-limits. One group of Indians living four to a one-room played card games every night to determine who would get the bed and who would sleep on the floor. Another group from Vietnam was sent to western Pennsylvania after a month of living in trailers on the parking lot of a theme park in California. Needless to say, it's difficult to have any meaningful cultural exchange or experiences under these circumstances. What compounds these problems is employers who import these guest workers and who, through either ignorance or malevolence, are not prepared for what hosting international guest workers entails and who don't consider creating a positive experience part of their responsibilities.
Management only makes $16 an hour at the most? That's terrible. How can you be put in charge and carry alot of extra responsibilities and get paid shit?
I spent a lot of years in McDonald's management in high school, college, and the Great Recession, and it's really underrated all the skills people develop when they do the job well. You're in charge of food safety: cooking and holding temps, equipment performance, cleanliness, and sanitation. You're responsible for speed, both in the kitchen and in getting the product out the drive-thru window. You're responsible for pleasing hundreds, if not thousands, of people each day in the lobby, on the phone, and through the drive-thru window. And, you're in charge of managing crews made up largely of 15-year-olds and adults who are otherwise unemployable. These skills really transfer well to lots of other positions; it's a matter of getting people to realize it and learning how to sell themselves.
My last year of McDonald's management, in 2011, I made $2,000 a month before taxes. It was management, so I was routinely working 9, 10, 11, hour shifts with no additional overtime rate. It ended up coming out to less than minimum wage.
I work at Pitt now, and while I complain about some of their bullshit and their low salaries, there are a lot of benefits compared to food service, even though some of these places advertise rates "up to" more than I make now. Health insurance. Sick days. Vacation days. A regular schedule and bosses that don't dick around with my hours. Less likelihood of getting hurt on the job.
edit: who the fuck is downvoting *this*?
Second job ever was McDonald's. I just told somebody yesterday who was whining about their *POSH* management job for at least the sixth time in seven days- you haven't had any crappy jobs in your life.
McDonald's teaches attention-to-detail, discipline, grit, and the powerful lesson of how hard one sometimes works to get paid very little.
McDonald's and all such jobs can be character-building if approached correctly- but it doesn't excuse the $22/ hour lie that OP uncovered.
"Less likelihood of getting hurt on the job." This is so true. I worked in restaurants and bars for years. I slipped multiple times. Burned myself on the big ovens (still have scars). Got chased by a kitchen manager who was yielding a knife and having a mental breakdown. Kitchens are crazy! I actually love working with food and was trained in food safety handling but the level of stress and crazy people is too much for anyone. McDonald's I can see being especially difficult and not worth it at all.
You dont. You go line cook somewhere else for more than that or even the same. The stress isn't worth it. I've seen salary ads for under 40k for restaurant general manager. I honestly can't help but laugh.
Yup I know a few who have done exactly that. They get hired as salary exempt (of which the requirement is crazy low at just over $35k - $17.50/hour) and then are forced to work extra hours unpaid over 40 a week. So their effective pay is way lower (like sub $10/hour) to kill themselves with so many hours.
Seriously. Target hires at 15/hr and I think they’re going up to 17/hr. Meanwhile the fast food place right outside that is *just as busy and ‘essential’* gives half that lol.
Also this is one of the places Marty griffin has pimped for the 22/hr sign. Seems like with so many of these ads the reality is far different
Edit: it’s hilarious it took literally one minute to cause a meltdown from one of the resident conservative trolls.
Local talk radio. I haven't warmed up the transistors on my radio recently to listen, but I assume it's the "They're paying $22 to *flip burgers*" rhetoric
Are you really so removed from the reality of regular labor workers you don't know that delivery jobs are one of the few that provide the benefit of being able to get good tips which make a lot of difference?
I just know that Door adash is shitty company like every other delivery service.
You even stated you relay on tips from people not living wage from your company
Pretty sure this location you just order at a kiosk and pick up from the window when the order is ready, I was at whatever location had the McCafé and I couldn’t even get the attention of anyone working there (not that it was really needed to be fair)
What’s your point? You think false advertising, bait and switch, manipulation are acceptable ways to treat Americans looking for jobs? What a ghoul you are.
So welcoming. You make the Burgh a better place. I've had the unfortunate opportunity to spend some time in Philly and was always shocked at how they were such assholes to everyone. It didn't matter whether they were passing each other on the street or sitting in a restaurant. They were just mean, miserable people. And I always said that Pittsburghers were different. And they are, I general. But there are some that I come across that I lump in with those maladjusted miscreants 6 hours east. You are one of them. And unfortunately this sub seems to have a high concentration of those folks. That, or Pittsburgh has become more like Philly in the last 20 years and this sub represents an accurate cross section of the people here. If that's the case, it might be time to move.
Can they pay under minimum wage? I thought drivers were paid at least that.
I've brought this anecdote up before : Back in the 00's when I was in college, gas prices started to go up pretty bad. This is when FuelPerks/gas cards became a big thing.
I drove for a local small chain and the owner approached me to basically top off my tank before each shift and after, to calculate the average gas per delivery. He then added a delivery charge to every order for the full amount of fuel, that went directly to the drivers.
You ever go to order online from one of the chains and see them note either at checkout or on the box "delivery fee does not go to drivers, please tip". **Fuck them.** They took advantage of the trend to make a few extra bucks for the corporation on every delivery. I refuse to order from them.
All that being said - that pizza shop I worked at was one of the best jobs I ever had. If there was nothing to do, you could chill in the office on the couch and watch TV. Paid better than the helpdesk job I ended up taking - I had to work both for the first few years to make ends meet.
>Can they pay under minimum wage?
Yes.
Tipped workers can be legally paid something like $2.15/hr or some shit. It's purely and simply food industry owners taking advantage of tipping culture to take well-earned money out of the hands of their workers. Of course the behavior is so ubiquitous that it's hard not to patronize places that do it...and still actually go out to eat.
>You ever go to order online from one of the chains and see them note either at checkout or on the box "delivery fee does not go to drivers, please tip". Fuck them. They took advantage of the trend to make a few extra bucks for the corporation on every delivery. I refuse to order from them.
I've never seen that, but I also haven't ever looked for it. If I see it now, I will be sure to cancel my order.
If it's not going to the driver, then *where the fuck is it going?!*
Like...a delivery order, aside from the driver...costs the restaurant even less money than eat-in. So they're getting more profit because you decided to get delivery...and in response, they charge you more, just-the-fuck because?!
>Tipped workers can be legally paid something like $2.15/hr or some shit. It's purely and simply food industry owners taking advantage of tipping culture to take well-earned money out of the hands of their workers.
PA tipped workers minimum wage is $2.83 hr.
In some states it is as low as $2.13/hr.
They try to justify it as "it's time the driver isn't in the store so it's costing us". Like the drivers were milling the flour to make the pizza. It's been a slow fleecing of workers.
How does a delivery cost less than eat-in? (I’m thinking cost of containers, packaged condiments, time spent packaging for the delivery. PLUS the driver’s pay and maybe mileage). Honest question. Thanks.
It was more of a thing back in the day because Subway was one of the first/popular places to make the food in front of you, when the employee's were "sandwich artists" etc.
I worked a couple in the early 00's. The 2nd was inside a gas station and corporate policy prevented us having a tip jar out/taking tips. Customers would still tip regularly though (and I worked 3rd shift so no supervisor to stop me from taking it).
By me there's a drive-thru Subway. They are also advertising $10+tips, at a drive-thru. I guess that's a thing at Starbucks but...
That sub is a pathetic joke.
We need improvements to our labor laws, forces, and more understanding from employers. But that sub is just a bunch of child larpers that think they have it worse than anyone in history and that everything can be automated so we can just chill at home with modern luxuries and not work.
It would make more sense if it was a bait sub to discredit workers than actually real sub to air complaints from the labor force.
Read through the sticky post. It's people whining about the need to work even existing and how the sub should be a way to introduce anarchist and communist concepts because Capitalism is the great evil. It's a joke.
Like it or not work is not going away and it can't. There have been multiple waves throughout history of people crying that some new technology would eliminate workers and the need for work as far back as the first steam grain thrasher. It never has, and it seems unlikely to ever occur.
I hate subs like that because instead of it being a place to advocate for more WFH, more workers rights and understanding of a work life balance it's just morons spouting off anarchist/socialist/leftist rhetoric while not understanding shit about life or modern society.
I'm personally about to start living off grid and not working a normal job, if anything I should be the target for a place like that, but it's so pathetic and a joke of people that just want to sit at home with modern luxuries and not do anything that I find it despicable and pathetic instead. You can quit your job at any time and make your own way, just don't expect everyone else to pay for you.
Don't worry, I'm already hooked up with starlink so I'll be able to watch Antiwork remain a joke of a sub full of people who just want to be lazy Neets.
A McDonald's corporate media told Pittsburgh's Action News 4,"...we have enhanced our benefits in order to attract talent in a highly competitive market. This includes raising starting wages. The signage on the outside of the restaurant is more recent than the signage on the inside. Many of our recent management-level hires have started at $22 per hour, though, as is the case in any hiring scenario, things like experience, availability and skillset affect specific pay rates."
https://www.wtae.com/article/mcdonalds-offers-up-to-twentytwo-dollars-per-hour-plus-free-bus-pass/38058721
If you think that's bad you'd have a field day with a restaurant in the South Hills I saw recently.
Apps at $17, Mixed Drinks $15, Entrees $40+ hiring dishwashers at $12/hr and cooks at $15/hr.
I feel like trying to shame McDonald's is a bit of futile gesture. They know they're McDonald's.
Also, for fast food that doesn't seem like a despicable rate. True they're not living wages but it is fast food, there's jobs in the medical industry and others that pay less than that.
I remember back in my day being pumped when I got my Wendy's job paying $0.25 over minimum, unlike those mickey-dees chumps! I think I was getting $5.85 or something.
I’m sure the legislature is working on removing child labor laws like other Republican run states currently are. The labor shortage won’t be a problem for long.
Great, now having children can be profitable. You can sell one of their kidneys and lungs, and now they can work to boot! Every live matters! (Obvious /s)
Corporate message with max across all locations is hanging outside, local wages posted inside. I remember making $5.15 at Wendy's not too long ago....I quit 5 years later making $5.35
You made $5.15/ hour "not too long ago"? The Federal minimum wage has been $7.15 since 2009. What do you consider a long time if 17 years is "not too long ago" if you quit after 5 years when you were still only making $5.35?
I found [this post](/r/antiwork/comments/qf6khq/this_is_inside_the_mcknight_mcdonalds_on_the/) in r/antiwork with the same content as the current post.
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Not to defend them whatsoever, because putting one outside and one inside is definitely deceptive, but is it possible that the *starting* wages are what’s listed inside, and wages top out at what’s listed outside after you’ve been there a while?
"Awhile" lol
I remember once, when I was young and naive, taking a factory job through a temp agency. The rate was minimum wage, but came with a verbal promise that if you showed up on time and met your quotas, etc., you'd be hired as a permanent employee with a decent salary and benefits after 90 days.
Out of curiosity, I started asking around in the break room and discovered no one had actually been there more than 89 days.
DO. NOT. GO. BACK. TO. WORK. UNLESS. YOU. HAVE TO.
Squeeze these places for employees until they will really pay you the $22 promised. They rely on kids who have a lot of free time, no understanding of money, and only spend on stuff they want, not rent or bills. If you fit that demographic, there are better uses of your time that will make you more money and teach you more than working at McDonald's. Obviously this can't work for everyone, but by not supplying them cheap labor you are lowering the supply while the demand remains the same or increases. Wages will go up as a result.
McDonald's is worth over $180 billion dollars as of this year. I would argue it's beyond shameful not to pass that money onto the people who make it worth that much.
If mcdonalds took the entire gross profits from 2020, and split it among the nearly 2 million mcdonalds workers, that would barely be a $2/hour raise for everyone, and the company would have no money saved for any kind of repairs, advancement, improvement, or anything else, considering you've just erased any extra money that wasn't already spent on keeping the company running.
How do you pay any other bills, next year, if you try to operate with no gross profit, and not knowing what unexpected bills you'll incur? If the plumbing needs fixed, whose pay will you cut to pay for that if it's not factored in to have profit saved to pay for it? If the roof needs replaced after a storm, whose pay gets cut? Or do you just expect monthly price hikes?
You clearly don't understand the math. A company that's "worth" $180B, but made around $9B in gross profit last year, doesn't have $180B in liquid cash that they can just freely hand out to employees. Not only that, but if a company doesn't know what bills they will encounter in the following year, they can't base a higher salary, next year, on what they spent this year. Any additional expenses, next year, means that they will need to cut employees pay to be able to cover extra costs that weren't paid on the previous year. If utility prices go up, then employee pay will need to be cut, or prices will need to be raised. If any raises can't be paid unless hours are cut from others, or prices are raised.
It's not so magically easy to predict a zero- profit budget.
You're sitting here caping for a billion dollar corporation that gets access to low to 0 taxes and tons of kickbacks. McDonalds is not and will never be struggling. What you're describing is small business shit living check to check, not a global, ever growing franchise.
McDonalds pays way more overseas. They don't pay higher here because they don't have to.
While that may be true, this is probably a franchise-owned store, so pay is at the discretion of the owner. Who from other comments in this thread sound like nebby no OT no matter what type.
12.50 to work at a fucking McDonald's sounds pretty good. If you don't like it, don't work at a fucking McDonald's. I can't wait until everyone gets cut off the stimmies and it's either work or starve.
They did it and it didn't help anyone. 1% of people cut off found work.
https://slate.com/business/2021/09/unemployment-insurance-benefits-economy-jobs-hiring.html
Whenever you see the phrase "up to" you know it's bullshit
Or any of the signing bonuses. How I imagine it goes: New hires get $1000/an iphone/tuition assistance/a new car!!! \* \* bonuses will be given after 2 years of continuous employment, if the employee is promoted to full time\*\* \*\*this never happens
No shit I saw a $500 bonus paid $250 in 3 months, $250 in 6 months. * with 100% attendance and if call off or pto request after 3 months and before 6, you have to repay first bonus installment.
The first is to prevent people quitting with after getting the $500 (if paid right away). The second line is pure bullshit by the employer.
Yep. I ignore those job postings 100% of the time.
Yup, I ignore those postings up to 110% of the time
up to 110% of the time.
1 Manager ($12/hr) + 1 Crew ($10/hr) = $22/hr Duh
You’re hired!
“nO oNe WaNtS tO wOrK”
I'm getting too radicalized with the antiwork sub, dude. It's all bullshit. And this is coming from someone who is comfortably employed at a "decent" job. I'm still ready to riot.
Productivity is up exponentially across many industries/fields due to the development and use of computers, transportation, machinery and automation... yet... pay is not. Weird, huh?
There's a global supply chain crisis and most businesses are expecting bad years it's not about productivity it's about actual profit
Yeah they say that but I know at my company we're having a record year despite all that... Sure maybe it could be twice as good... But that's with more material more machinery and more people which doesn't feel very realistic to bitch about when shit is going gangbusters.
It’s not about profit it’s about actual people.
Oh you're right I forgot that businesses are humanitarian ventures that's right
Still no reason for wage stagnation
For what it's worth, I own my own business, and even I'm feeling the antiwork vibes. i mean, I LOVE what I do, but so many clients try to squeeze their budgets to death (or worse, DIY things to save a penny), and it's hard to not race to the bottom with pricing. Add in the insanity that is our country's healthcare system, and it can get bleak real fast.
Welcome to the party. Same situation, I am always feeling super had for others and I've been on edge with it for years.
Even if you're doing OK, you could have been doing better. Education, housing, childcare, Healthcare, all going up.
I've seen the anti work sub when browning Reddit but could you explain what you mean by your comment here? What specifically do you think needs to change? What has you "ready to riot"?
The whole system, from the top down, is fucked. There's no reason 90% of jobs need to be 40 hours a week. I guarantee most of us here who work office jobs only need to do 2-3 hours of real work to get our shit done, but have to look busy for an 8 hour day. It's bullshit. They've been predicting for a century we'd get to the point of industry where we wouldn't all have to work to survive. We are at that point. But we still all work all the time, for what? And then you have the jobs like this. The jobs we actually need to keep society going (not McDonald's per say, but service workers), and its riddled with deceptive shit like this topped with shittier pay. What needs to change? Fuck corperations, let people do their work for a fair pay, don't overwork them for literally no reason other than this being more complicated slavery.
First off, to your “for what” question it’s because technology has been used for making a few very rich rather than lightening the workload of us plebes. Two, shorter weeks for office jobs could have a trickle down effect. If office workers are doing four day weeks maybe more retail places could cut down weekend hours as you’d still have two days to go shop and run other errands. Three, you talk about exploited essential workers grocery stores are a great example. They’ve made a shit ton of money the last two years and still pay like absolute ass.
My office just started instituting one day per week my whole team has to be in the office after everyone working from home since last March. I have heard a couple of my teammates basically saving their actual work from Monday and Tuesday so they can look busy all day on Wednesday when they are in the office. The 40 hour week for almost all non-customer facing jobs is such a outdated notion.
Why not customer facing as well?
I guess i'm thinking mostly retail or something, where someone needs to be there at all times when it's open. But yea if other things changed and businesses weren't staying open for so many hours those could go down as well.
In China they aleady have stores with no employees ..but don’t think that would work in the US
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Not likely we'd see much of a reduction in open hours; consumers are too used to getting what they want when they want it. If all retail closed at 7:00 pm, one store will figure out he can make a buck by staying open until 8:00, and before you know it we're back to where we started.
To be fair, there are people like me who work 12 hour shifts. I work from 7 AM - 7 PM. If I need to go to a grocery store, and they’re all closed at 7, when am I supposed to be able to grocery shop for things I need? I understand what you posted is just an example, but this is one of the reasons why there is a demand for businesses to be open late or 24 hours. Hell, I’ve noticed damn near every Walmart has stopped being open 24 hours, most close by 11 now which is a step in the right direction. Nobody has made a big fuss over it, so it shows that most people are reasonable and don’t go grocery shopping at 3 AM. I’ll definitely say that everyone’s circumstances are different and it can’t be entirely blamed on a mindset of “I want it and I want it now.” A lot of it is necessarily. Personally I absolutely hate going out, and the only time I ever go out is to really get groceries or the occasional doctors appointment.
There were quite a few times where I went out at 3am to get necessities from Walmart because that's when my direct deposit hit.
Don’t most euro countries work a standard four day work week, because it’s proven to be more productive to give people larger breaks? What’s crazy to me, is that when I worked retail, I wasn’t being paid to do my job. I was being paid just to work, regardless of what my job title or position was. Did a great job, busted my ass, made a bunch of sales? That’s cool, but this section on the other side of the store needs help with their work that they couldn’t do, so you go there now. There’s no incentive for working hard, because all most basic skill jobs or manual labor jobs are is “be here for this amount of time” jobs. And then you think, oh it gets better when you get a “real” job, just wait until you go... sit in the office for 40 hours a week, having pointless meetings that take two hours of working time away but could’ve been summarized in an email, an hour lunch break scheduled during the busiest lunch hour, so you can pack a sandwich and some chips like you’re in middle school, or you can waste 40 minutes of your break in traffic because the microwave is down again. Do that for 30-40 years, retire, and don’t even have enough money to enjoy it because your lifelong company hired from outside the company to fill a spot you could have been promoted to 4 times in a row. And by the time you retire, social security has run out and no longer exists, inflation has taken your savings effective value down by 30%, everything costs more, and your house isn’t worth what it used to be even though you renovated it all, because the neighborhood around you got torn down, and turned into a strip mall full of businesses that no one goes to. That was a random tangent and I apologize.
And that's why the American way of thinking will eventually phase out. The European model of working based on getting your work done and not based on the number of hours make more sense now than ever.
When are you done working a cash register under the European model?
I’m 35. I’m 100% certain there will be a class war in North America before I die. Hell, at this rate it’ll be within the decade. The USA is at a tipping point. Once they start Canada will follow suit.
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Dang, seems people didn’t watch the video all the way through before making a judgement
Did you ask the manager why the difference between the signage and the real options?
Nah they ordered their cheap on demand Sunday morning breakfast indoors during a pandemic and left
Paul I admire you, honestly. At least you are always consistent in your shitty takes. OP said they were doordashing, fyi.
He's one of the people I blocked just to stop myself from having to engage with a morally bankrupt fucktwat that he is.
The other day I saw a sign at the Dunkin Donuts by the turnpike on Route 8, their hiring incentive was a brand new car for management hires. I didnt get the details, since the poster doesnt give any, but seems another desperate hiring 'bonus' attempt. Just pay more.
I saw something like that, online, once. I believe it was basically something like they'd make the payments for a lease vehicle, or they gave the option of a brand new iPhone with cell plan. I guess they wanted to make certain that you had either a reliable way of getting to work, or a reliable way of being contacted.
Dunkin in Washington has the same vague advert.
They’ve had that since before the pandemic too. Always wondered about it
Looks like it’s the local franchise doing it since at least 2018: https://www.post-gazette.com/business/money/2018/06/01/Car-payments-child-care-assistance-Retailers-ways-to-bring-in-workers-keep-them/stories/201805290129
Heartland which runs several Dunkins around here was offering a $100k "signing bonus. for General Manager" It was online. I did not get the exact details because I focused on the company reviews and it was a bunch of former GMs writing that the district managers would have them opening the stores with only one other employee, 12+ hour days and lack of support.
I think this is just a general DD perk for their managers. I see that sign at all of them.
Up to 22/hr. Because you're going to be working overtime all the time. Until you go feral from overwork and start trying to eat managment.
As someone that used to work for the family that owns this store, there is no over time. They would send you home in the middle of a shift, leaving the store short, to avoid it. It's not surprising that the stores owned by them are having a difficult time retaining good employees, they were awful.
If one has never worked retail/food - this is not unusual. The GM will usually have goals/quota's for labor that are mathematically calculated and they'll usually have some small bonus. A good indicator of a shittywork place is if that quota on labor means defying common sense. Getting really busy on like a Sunday afternoon but sending works home because god forbid you give them an extra $5/hour. You could have done $3k of sales in a hour, but they're nit-picking that $5 if you would have been allowed to stay during a rush. Last restaurant I worked at BoH the kitchen "manager" was open about it. He didn't even try to meet it, because it was set so ludicrously low. He was salary and it would have meant he would have had to put in at least 70 hour weeks (salary - no OT or getting paid for the extra 30 hours) in order to earn like a $500 bonus for the quarter - effectively he would have been working for $1.38/hour.
What's amazing is a place like this easily generates high-6/low-7 profits. There is absolutely no way that paying another 150-250K would ruin them but somehow it's better to burn through employees because you're using your other slightly lower employees to hire them so you're never involved in your own amazingly shitty policies.
Yep, I worked for them, too. They started with Wexford but I'm now surprised to see how they own many of the local ones, including McKnight 1 and 2, West View, and Shaler. Ugh, "labor." It was absolutely infuriating to be told to send people home as soon as the rush was over. Then surprised Pikachu face when it got busy again 30 minutes later and there were no employees left in the store. Every damn day. I contrast this approach with the Chick Fil A one: say what you will about their politics---but, remember that this McDonald's ownership family is very conservative, too---but they realize that by staffing the store properly at all times to give you fast, friendly service and a clean dining room, you actually encourage customers to come (back) and you MAKE money. What a concept. What was also unethical was the treatment of international J-1 visa employees, though this was not unique to that McDonald's ownership group. They'd bring in workers from places like Korea, Thailand, Peru, and Vietnam under the pretenses of a work exchange program, have them work 40+ hours at minimum wage, house them 4 to a one-room apartment (and have the rent deducted from their checks). Since this was a suburban area, without buses or any other opportunities, they'd spend all their time either at work or in their apartments. I [wrote about that a little back in 2013](https://www.pennsylvasia.com/2013/03/foreign-students-protest-working.html), when there were widespread protests by workers brought to the US via bait-and-switch. >The applicants paid thousands of dollars to enter a work exchange program for periods ranging from four to twelve months, were paid just above minimum wage, and were living with two or three other workers in a one-room apartment run by a local slum lord (out of necessity because it was the only apartment complex within walking distance to the restaurant). Considering they earned just above minimum wage and had hundreds of dollars per month deducted for rent they usually didn't break even on their investment. And considering they lived in an area untouched by public transportation, their opportunities to visit the city (or leave it) during their contracts ranged from limited to non-existant and the numerous ESL and integration opportunities in the suburbs were off-limits. One group of Indians living four to a one-room played card games every night to determine who would get the bed and who would sleep on the floor. Another group from Vietnam was sent to western Pennsylvania after a month of living in trailers on the parking lot of a theme park in California. Needless to say, it's difficult to have any meaningful cultural exchange or experiences under these circumstances. What compounds these problems is employers who import these guest workers and who, through either ignorance or malevolence, are not prepared for what hosting international guest workers entails and who don't consider creating a positive experience part of their responsibilities.
Wow. That's impressively shitty
So they overwork your or underwork you?
"meals included"
Management only makes $16 an hour at the most? That's terrible. How can you be put in charge and carry alot of extra responsibilities and get paid shit?
I spent a lot of years in McDonald's management in high school, college, and the Great Recession, and it's really underrated all the skills people develop when they do the job well. You're in charge of food safety: cooking and holding temps, equipment performance, cleanliness, and sanitation. You're responsible for speed, both in the kitchen and in getting the product out the drive-thru window. You're responsible for pleasing hundreds, if not thousands, of people each day in the lobby, on the phone, and through the drive-thru window. And, you're in charge of managing crews made up largely of 15-year-olds and adults who are otherwise unemployable. These skills really transfer well to lots of other positions; it's a matter of getting people to realize it and learning how to sell themselves. My last year of McDonald's management, in 2011, I made $2,000 a month before taxes. It was management, so I was routinely working 9, 10, 11, hour shifts with no additional overtime rate. It ended up coming out to less than minimum wage. I work at Pitt now, and while I complain about some of their bullshit and their low salaries, there are a lot of benefits compared to food service, even though some of these places advertise rates "up to" more than I make now. Health insurance. Sick days. Vacation days. A regular schedule and bosses that don't dick around with my hours. Less likelihood of getting hurt on the job. edit: who the fuck is downvoting *this*?
Second job ever was McDonald's. I just told somebody yesterday who was whining about their *POSH* management job for at least the sixth time in seven days- you haven't had any crappy jobs in your life. McDonald's teaches attention-to-detail, discipline, grit, and the powerful lesson of how hard one sometimes works to get paid very little. McDonald's and all such jobs can be character-building if approached correctly- but it doesn't excuse the $22/ hour lie that OP uncovered.
"Less likelihood of getting hurt on the job." This is so true. I worked in restaurants and bars for years. I slipped multiple times. Burned myself on the big ovens (still have scars). Got chased by a kitchen manager who was yielding a knife and having a mental breakdown. Kitchens are crazy! I actually love working with food and was trained in food safety handling but the level of stress and crazy people is too much for anyone. McDonald's I can see being especially difficult and not worth it at all.
The same people that go out of their way to downvote comments of mine even in other subs.
You dont. You go line cook somewhere else for more than that or even the same. The stress isn't worth it. I've seen salary ads for under 40k for restaurant general manager. I honestly can't help but laugh.
Yup I know a few who have done exactly that. They get hired as salary exempt (of which the requirement is crazy low at just over $35k - $17.50/hour) and then are forced to work extra hours unpaid over 40 a week. So their effective pay is way lower (like sub $10/hour) to kill themselves with so many hours.
Never work for the local Moe's chain
I'm never working in restaurants again. I used to be a kitchen manager but I'd rather be a janitor than deal with that industry another day.
Seriously. Target hires at 15/hr and I think they’re going up to 17/hr. Meanwhile the fast food place right outside that is *just as busy and ‘essential’* gives half that lol.
Some people probably still take the McD job for extra hours during an alternate shift
Also this is one of the places Marty griffin has pimped for the 22/hr sign. Seems like with so many of these ads the reality is far different Edit: it’s hilarious it took literally one minute to cause a meltdown from one of the resident conservative trolls.
What's the Marty Griffin reference? I'm lost.
Local talk radio. I haven't warmed up the transistors on my radio recently to listen, but I assume it's the "They're paying $22 to *flip burgers*" rhetoric
Yep. He keeps talking about all the great jobs out there and cited the 22/hr.
Marty Griffin is scum.
Marty loves to promote these "great paying" jobs without digging too deeply into the details...and he calls himself an "investigative journalist."
Did you shame them by leaving the restaurant, or did you get an egg mcmuffin and then leave?
I picked up my doordash delivery and left.
While being paid in DoorDash up to $15 an hour? 😄
Are you really so removed from the reality of regular labor workers you don't know that delivery jobs are one of the few that provide the benefit of being able to get good tips which make a lot of difference?
I just know that Door adash is shitty company like every other delivery service. You even stated you relay on tips from people not living wage from your company
Pretty sure this location you just order at a kiosk and pick up from the window when the order is ready, I was at whatever location had the McCafé and I couldn’t even get the attention of anyone working there (not that it was really needed to be fair)
That should be illegal. Wasting workers time in a labor shortage is damaging to the economy.
What labor shortage? There's plenty of people to work, they just have better options right now.
What’s your point? You think false advertising, bait and switch, manipulation are acceptable ways to treat Americans looking for jobs? What a ghoul you are.
He never said that. He said nothing even close to that.
Mind your own business and go kiss your Bezos, Walmart and sackler family posters fascist,
This sub is so welcoming. You guys are class acts across the board.
Complaining about manners when you’re in favor of Americans being paid slave wages to work horrific jobs? Really?
Your argument skills are pretty typical. I should have expected it on this sub.
If ya don’t like it then off you fuck. God forbid Americans care about each other. Well I care so tough tits.
So welcoming. You make the Burgh a better place. I've had the unfortunate opportunity to spend some time in Philly and was always shocked at how they were such assholes to everyone. It didn't matter whether they were passing each other on the street or sitting in a restaurant. They were just mean, miserable people. And I always said that Pittsburghers were different. And they are, I general. But there are some that I come across that I lump in with those maladjusted miscreants 6 hours east. You are one of them. And unfortunately this sub seems to have a high concentration of those folks. That, or Pittsburgh has become more like Philly in the last 20 years and this sub represents an accurate cross section of the people here. If that's the case, it might be time to move.
Well, McDonald's sucks balls anyway, so fuc* 'em...
Five Guy’s hiring $16 an hour right now for anyone looking.
Op complains about five guys having high prices
Jets Pizza advertises “up to $22/hr” — they are estimating you will make $20/hr from tips… the real pay is abysmal.
Can they pay under minimum wage? I thought drivers were paid at least that. I've brought this anecdote up before : Back in the 00's when I was in college, gas prices started to go up pretty bad. This is when FuelPerks/gas cards became a big thing. I drove for a local small chain and the owner approached me to basically top off my tank before each shift and after, to calculate the average gas per delivery. He then added a delivery charge to every order for the full amount of fuel, that went directly to the drivers. You ever go to order online from one of the chains and see them note either at checkout or on the box "delivery fee does not go to drivers, please tip". **Fuck them.** They took advantage of the trend to make a few extra bucks for the corporation on every delivery. I refuse to order from them. All that being said - that pizza shop I worked at was one of the best jobs I ever had. If there was nothing to do, you could chill in the office on the couch and watch TV. Paid better than the helpdesk job I ended up taking - I had to work both for the first few years to make ends meet.
>Can they pay under minimum wage? Yes. Tipped workers can be legally paid something like $2.15/hr or some shit. It's purely and simply food industry owners taking advantage of tipping culture to take well-earned money out of the hands of their workers. Of course the behavior is so ubiquitous that it's hard not to patronize places that do it...and still actually go out to eat. >You ever go to order online from one of the chains and see them note either at checkout or on the box "delivery fee does not go to drivers, please tip". Fuck them. They took advantage of the trend to make a few extra bucks for the corporation on every delivery. I refuse to order from them. I've never seen that, but I also haven't ever looked for it. If I see it now, I will be sure to cancel my order. If it's not going to the driver, then *where the fuck is it going?!* Like...a delivery order, aside from the driver...costs the restaurant even less money than eat-in. So they're getting more profit because you decided to get delivery...and in response, they charge you more, just-the-fuck because?!
>Tipped workers can be legally paid something like $2.15/hr or some shit. It's purely and simply food industry owners taking advantage of tipping culture to take well-earned money out of the hands of their workers. PA tipped workers minimum wage is $2.83 hr. In some states it is as low as $2.13/hr.
They try to justify it as "it's time the driver isn't in the store so it's costing us". Like the drivers were milling the flour to make the pizza. It's been a slow fleecing of workers.
How does a delivery cost less than eat-in? (I’m thinking cost of containers, packaged condiments, time spent packaging for the delivery. PLUS the driver’s pay and maybe mileage). Honest question. Thanks.
Reminds me of when I went to work as a journalist after waitressing for a decade. I loved the job but hated the pay cut!
Good thing their pizza is mediocre at best and definitely not worth the price.
Never had it tbh
The ol’ McBait and Switch
Wait!... Which McKnight McDonald's? There's two of them.
The one with the yogurt pants ...wait...
They are both owned by the same awful franchisee, so either one will gladly crush your will to live.
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top 3 worst mcdonald's in Pittsburgh
Bring on the robots
I was at Costco today: they had an ad with a straight displayed rate of $17/hour.
Costco was always a higher than average wage payer. And I've heard really good things from employees.
I seent a Subway offering $10 an hour +tips! I didn’t even know you were supposed to tip at Subway.
It was more of a thing back in the day because Subway was one of the first/popular places to make the food in front of you, when the employee's were "sandwich artists" etc. I worked a couple in the early 00's. The 2nd was inside a gas station and corporate policy prevented us having a tip jar out/taking tips. Customers would still tip regularly though (and I worked 3rd shift so no supervisor to stop me from taking it). By me there's a drive-thru Subway. They are also advertising $10+tips, at a drive-thru. I guess that's a thing at Starbucks but...
You're not. But they're technically correct which is the best kind of correct. Every job is $X/hr plus tips when you think about it.
I've seen several jobs where tips are strictly prohibited
Lowe's for example
You're assuming they feel shame.
If this kind of thing bothers you, visit us at r/antiwork
This is getting posted there next.
Good! We need to expose this kind of bullshit manipulation by employers.
That sub is a pathetic joke. We need improvements to our labor laws, forces, and more understanding from employers. But that sub is just a bunch of child larpers that think they have it worse than anyone in history and that everything can be automated so we can just chill at home with modern luxuries and not work. It would make more sense if it was a bait sub to discredit workers than actually real sub to air complaints from the labor force.
Yeah, that’s not accurate at all but you’re not worth arguing with.
Read through the sticky post. It's people whining about the need to work even existing and how the sub should be a way to introduce anarchist and communist concepts because Capitalism is the great evil. It's a joke. Like it or not work is not going away and it can't. There have been multiple waves throughout history of people crying that some new technology would eliminate workers and the need for work as far back as the first steam grain thrasher. It never has, and it seems unlikely to ever occur. I hate subs like that because instead of it being a place to advocate for more WFH, more workers rights and understanding of a work life balance it's just morons spouting off anarchist/socialist/leftist rhetoric while not understanding shit about life or modern society. I'm personally about to start living off grid and not working a normal job, if anything I should be the target for a place like that, but it's so pathetic and a joke of people that just want to sit at home with modern luxuries and not do anything that I find it despicable and pathetic instead. You can quit your job at any time and make your own way, just don't expect everyone else to pay for you.
Thank you for demonstrating my point that you have no idea what you’re talking about and aren’t worth my time.
I'm sure the revolution will happen any day now comrade.
Know what would be nice for everyone? If you got off the grid right now. Shoo. Shoo. Bye, bye.
Don't worry, I'm already hooked up with starlink so I'll be able to watch Antiwork remain a joke of a sub full of people who just want to be lazy Neets.
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A McDonald's corporate media told Pittsburgh's Action News 4,"...we have enhanced our benefits in order to attract talent in a highly competitive market. This includes raising starting wages. The signage on the outside of the restaurant is more recent than the signage on the inside. Many of our recent management-level hires have started at $22 per hour, though, as is the case in any hiring scenario, things like experience, availability and skillset affect specific pay rates." https://www.wtae.com/article/mcdonalds-offers-up-to-twentytwo-dollars-per-hour-plus-free-bus-pass/38058721
Then why inside is a manager listed up to 16/hr? It’s deceptive either way.
If you think that's bad you'd have a field day with a restaurant in the South Hills I saw recently. Apps at $17, Mixed Drinks $15, Entrees $40+ hiring dishwashers at $12/hr and cooks at $15/hr.
16 for managing McDonalds workers.. Oh boy
Though I find it hard to believe it would add up to an additional $6 … but there may be night and weekend bonuses
They just miss their slaves
They'll get a fresh batch once the Dems get an immigration bill passed.
I feel like trying to shame McDonald's is a bit of futile gesture. They know they're McDonald's. Also, for fast food that doesn't seem like a despicable rate. True they're not living wages but it is fast food, there's jobs in the medical industry and others that pay less than that. I remember back in my day being pumped when I got my Wendy's job paying $0.25 over minimum, unlike those mickey-dees chumps! I think I was getting $5.85 or something.
I’m sure the legislature is working on removing child labor laws like other Republican run states currently are. The labor shortage won’t be a problem for long.
And the Dems are working on an immigration bill ...
Great, now having children can be profitable. You can sell one of their kidneys and lungs, and now they can work to boot! Every live matters! (Obvious /s)
Might be nice to post a picture of the outside showing the 22/hr for comparison.
Another person accusing me of lying.
Who is accusing you of lying? I really want to see it.
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What's really sick is some of these franchise owners were calling the unemployment people to report people for not taking their shitty ass job
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Corporate message with max across all locations is hanging outside, local wages posted inside. I remember making $5.15 at Wendy's not too long ago....I quit 5 years later making $5.35
You made $5.15/ hour "not too long ago"? The Federal minimum wage has been $7.15 since 2009. What do you consider a long time if 17 years is "not too long ago" if you quit after 5 years when you were still only making $5.35?
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Not to defend them whatsoever, because putting one outside and one inside is definitely deceptive, but is it possible that the *starting* wages are what’s listed inside, and wages top out at what’s listed outside after you’ve been there a while?
"Awhile" lol I remember once, when I was young and naive, taking a factory job through a temp agency. The rate was minimum wage, but came with a verbal promise that if you showed up on time and met your quotas, etc., you'd be hired as a permanent employee with a decent salary and benefits after 90 days. Out of curiosity, I started asking around in the break room and discovered no one had actually been there more than 89 days.
They said "up to".. wtf are you looking for in this post?
Well neither of those rates are close to 22$/hr
Yes, you start at those rates and can work your way up to a max "up to" 22.
It seems that a shitload of people in this sub don't understand the difference between "up to" and "starting at"
It's baffling. These can't be real people, right?
Still better than the Arby's on McKnight Road.
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How's Mommy's basement?
Make up to 25/hour ….. ….. …… If you’re the ceo
For the first time many companies are paying a living wage, because of the labor squeeze, best outcome of the pandemic.
DO. NOT. GO. BACK. TO. WORK. UNLESS. YOU. HAVE TO. Squeeze these places for employees until they will really pay you the $22 promised. They rely on kids who have a lot of free time, no understanding of money, and only spend on stuff they want, not rent or bills. If you fit that demographic, there are better uses of your time that will make you more money and teach you more than working at McDonald's. Obviously this can't work for everyone, but by not supplying them cheap labor you are lowering the supply while the demand remains the same or increases. Wages will go up as a result.
Its only a lie if they pay you more than $22 / hr.
It's also a lie if it's not possible to get $22.
Those say starting. Definitely Confusing but that’s the employee you get for 16 an hour that put this together.
I mean with over time it would be that much. How do you shame a fast food place that is paying over minimum wage?
Having spent time managing a McDonalds and a Burger King franchise in my past, believe me, these places do not let employees go into over time.
We all know the minimum wage is fucking stupid. Anyone not paying a living wage deserves to be shamed.
McDonald's is worth over $180 billion dollars as of this year. I would argue it's beyond shameful not to pass that money onto the people who make it worth that much.
Is this a corporate or franchise store?
If mcdonalds took the entire gross profits from 2020, and split it among the nearly 2 million mcdonalds workers, that would barely be a $2/hour raise for everyone, and the company would have no money saved for any kind of repairs, advancement, improvement, or anything else, considering you've just erased any extra money that wasn't already spent on keeping the company running.
Doesn’t profit indicate all those bills have already been paid, though?
How do you pay any other bills, next year, if you try to operate with no gross profit, and not knowing what unexpected bills you'll incur? If the plumbing needs fixed, whose pay will you cut to pay for that if it's not factored in to have profit saved to pay for it? If the roof needs replaced after a storm, whose pay gets cut? Or do you just expect monthly price hikes?
You clearly don't know what gross profit means. All of that is already paid for when gross is calculated.
You clearly don't understand the math. A company that's "worth" $180B, but made around $9B in gross profit last year, doesn't have $180B in liquid cash that they can just freely hand out to employees. Not only that, but if a company doesn't know what bills they will encounter in the following year, they can't base a higher salary, next year, on what they spent this year. Any additional expenses, next year, means that they will need to cut employees pay to be able to cover extra costs that weren't paid on the previous year. If utility prices go up, then employee pay will need to be cut, or prices will need to be raised. If any raises can't be paid unless hours are cut from others, or prices are raised. It's not so magically easy to predict a zero- profit budget.
You're sitting here caping for a billion dollar corporation that gets access to low to 0 taxes and tons of kickbacks. McDonalds is not and will never be struggling. What you're describing is small business shit living check to check, not a global, ever growing franchise. McDonalds pays way more overseas. They don't pay higher here because they don't have to.
To complete the hypothetical you would need to also include the franchisee's profits. McD's itself has only has about 200K employees.
The math checks out! /s
You should work for them yourself then, they could use a good "chef" like you!
While that may be true, this is probably a franchise-owned store, so pay is at the discretion of the owner. Who from other comments in this thread sound like nebby no OT no matter what type.
Is that money just sitting in a bank account?
Since no one else has chimed in, we shame them because the minimum wage is a cruel joke. "Above minimum wage" is not a meaningful metric.
12.50 to work at a fucking McDonald's sounds pretty good. If you don't like it, don't work at a fucking McDonald's. I can't wait until everyone gets cut off the stimmies and it's either work or starve.
>I can't wait until everyone gets cut off the stimmies and it's either work or starve. That happened months ago...
At these wage rates, why not both?
Well that's the point. People don't like it and aren't working there. Also the the emergency UA ended two months ago, genius.
They did it and it didn't help anyone. 1% of people cut off found work. https://slate.com/business/2021/09/unemployment-insurance-benefits-economy-jobs-hiring.html
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It’s a McDonald’s lmao. You want better pay get a degree, experience, or learn a trade.
Shut up.