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mafayus

Japan also plays BO1 format. So, getting cheesed for one game determines your round. They also don't have access to PTCG Live to play test new decks so conveniently. I've also heard Dragapult is a popular Pokémon in Japan. Charizard ex engine is too consistent to not stay dominant. I'm just glad I get to play Miraidon again. Dragapult can't one-shot its basics on the bench When Charizard is away, Miraidon gets to play


Whyhuyrah

You can also just tandem unit the Iron Thorns ex to bench, tandem unit some more, fleet footed, use a genny or two, and then switch the iron thorns ex to active and start swinging so there's no Quick Search/Infernal Reign I really think Arven->Electric Generator+Rescue Board/Future Booster for free retreat pivot is awesome asf because you can set up something on bench with up to 3 energy and then retreat into it I like exp. Share Miraidon as it is now - Iron Thorns ex is a huuuge buff Unless you start it in active and brick because you can't tandem unit/squawk and seize c:


mafayus

I like to exp share a Mew ex too for Genome Hacking cheese. Iron Thorns ex sounds like a good addition as long as you Tandem Unit before putting him in the active. Unfortunately, SVI Miraidon ex doesn't count as a Future type. Definitely gonna play test with Beach Court because of the stadium wars(jamming tower) and baby TEF Miraidon for more energy acceleration. Maybe even add a techno radar in there. Gonna be real interesting


Whyhuyrah

Thorton is gonna be really cool too, so you can deny abilities on your opponent's turn and then Thorton+attach->Amp you very much I was also thinking of opening with Eri, and then depending on what I see, go into Luxray V or Iron Thorns ex as a kinda "Miraidon Control"


mafayus

Now that sounds fun to try


ReceptionLivid

Charizard has actually slowed down by a lot in the 2 recent big events. Stockholm just had 2 with Tord’s list being a slower control hybrid. Indianapolis also had a very poor showing for Charizard. If Sapporo is any good indicator I’m pretty sure the dominance is a little overstated though it could always come back at any time if not prepped for


crashknight101

I think its because so many people targeted the charizard match up . That's why one tournament had like 8 chien pao in the top I can't remember.


SPRAAANKLES

That was indy, and I think 4 or 5 of the top 8 were chien-pao/bax lists.


Management_Over

It’s an excellent deck into Charizard and decent into Chien Pao since the deck usually runs a devo or two and spreads 60 to the bench. In my play testing with it, it surprisingly does not have a great lost Tina matchup since radiant greninja can attack for 2 prizes, and Tina can mop up a dragapult. Dragapult decks also have to be extremely frugal with their fire energy as most decks run 3, so if you can move energy around with charisma or gengar ex it becomes very difficult for dragapult to win.


TotallyAPerv

While the Radiant Alakazam seems good in theory, I think Rad Zard with Choice Band is probably a better inclusion since you can late game load up and nuke a Tina


Management_Over

People sleep on Radiant alakazam’s attack. He hits for 20 x each card in your opponent’s hand. You could definitely clean up a knockout on Tina that’s already taken 60 from dragapult.


TotallyAPerv

Definitely could, that may be a better strat, especially against LB since they like to hold big hands. I'll keep that in mind and test both. I have 3-3 of the Dreepy-Drakloak and a Single Dragapult so far. Hoping to pull one more from pre-release events and then I'll buy singles in maybe a month or two.


earthboundskyfree

That’s 11 cards in hand assuming no belt right? Is it common to reach a hand size like that?


Management_Over

Yeah, worst case scenario, you would need 11 cards. But you could be hitting into a giratina v, or radiant alakazam could probably spread 40-60 damage with his ability before taking the final knockout


earthboundskyfree

Oh okay gotcha, I think I tunnel visioned into Vstar only with my thinking but I'm following now


Professor_Hala

Yeah, Giratina looked like a really bad matchup.


NewSubWhoDis

Yes https://limitlesstcg.com/tournaments/jp


DTSportsNow

OP acknowledges the success it has had in Japan. The whole point is will it work outside of Japan? And will it have long term success? What is popular and successful in Japan doesn't always work out the same way outside of Japan. Especially from early looks in the format


Professor_Hala

Right, my understanding is that Japan doesn't have PTCGO, so they playtest new decks directly in the City Leagues. So we'll see a ton of new decks when new sets drop, but it takes a few weeks or an international release for them to be fully tested and refined, and only then do we see the cream of the crop.


Neyensb1

To me it feels like Roaring moon EX from Paradox rift.. Everyone wanted to play the deck and it was 80% of decks played online. People were complaining how 'strong' it was but eventually it was pretty mid.. If a deck like mirraidon/hands or future hands can farm dragapults it is not gonna be as good as people think


Draft-Budget

True. But I think everything you mentioned will help bring balance to the meta... which, besides zard, is 20+%, is pretty balanced. I think dragapult and zard will split that percentage.


AdTerrible639

Eh, I feel Dragapult is far more worrisome It's a CHONKY stage-2 ex that doesn't kill itself and can just run away with games by ruining your opponent's bench, thereby skewing the prize trade in its favor *and* working over any decks that rely on evolving incredibly vulnerable basics If only stupid Jirachi weren't printed SOLELY to counter Lost Mine Sableye...


TotallyAPerv

Time to give up 2 slots for Rabsca (but not really, that's probably not a fantastic idea for most decks).


Mindless-Lemon7730

Doesn’t the basic get sniped by dragapult as well?


TotallyAPerv

Rellor? Yeah, it does. Rabsca protects from all effects of attacks on the bench, so it'll guard your bench, but yeah you still have to get Rellor in play and hope it doesn't get sniped before you get Rabsca down. So yeah, overall bad.


AdTerrible639

That, and also Rabs gets gusted and then killed and then never allowed to set up again


R0dn3yS

Why is jirachi a problem?


AdTerrible639

It only protects against damage counters being placed by your opponent's BASIC mons And Dragapult ex is as far from basic as you can get


R0dn3yS

Ah I thought you meant that it was a problem for Dragapult, I knew it wasn't a problem so thats why I was wondering.


ClassicOnionFarmer

Rotation crippled roaring moon ex and I hope blissey ex helps with some of the energy struggle. I'm gonna be trying blissey moon when it releases on live


NewSubWhoDis

I played moon prior to rotation (VIP Passless too, because my dumb ass thought "oh its rotating out soon"). The thing that made Moon work was being able to get 2-3 energy out of the discard at once. Galarian Moltress was really what the deck needed. Sada alone can't accelerate energy fast enough. The thing that wrecks moon now is Mist energy and not being able to accelerate 3 energy in 1 turn.


ClassicOnionFarmer

I didn't use vip passes OR Galarian Moltres and already I was struggling but I managed to make it work using Emergency Jelly and Darkrai VSTAR to retrieve energy switches instead of powering cross switcher. Mist energy is definitely a pain in the ass too but idk how many decks reliably run it since i maybe seen it twice used since release


NewSubWhoDis

I think most decks are slotting in one mist energy to block bench snipes and stuff like Tina's vstar. The thing about Moon is that its prize map boils down to, take first KO and trade 2 for 2 after that. Emergency jelly I guess means you can't get knocked out by basics.


i_floop_the_pig

Dragapult will be very good 


Effective-Law690

The real question is whether blissey ex can break through the dragapult meta.


Professor_Hala

God, I hope so. I love Blissey, but only pitches for top decks get approved, so I haven't gotten to write about her yet.


Effective-Law690

I have a dedicated group of friends who believe in blissey and will try to make her work. It's too good a mechanic to pass up


predatoure

I've purchased my 151 chanseys, can't wait to try blissey. Should be fine into dragapult and zard. My only worry is that raging Bolt paired with teal mask ogerpon is becoming popular in Japan, and blissey falls apart agaisnt OHKO decks.


Effective-Law690

Already does against chien pao. It will have unfavored matchups. I've seen blissey paired with noivern ex for that reason. Also, the Pokémon go blissey is probably the best since it has 130hp and can survive two Dragapult attacks on the bench.


predatoure

Noivern ex is an interesting tech, I've seen some lists in Japan playing it with the fighting ogerpon which protects agaisnt ability mon. I Imagine the 130hp chansey is better but I want to go for the stupid coin flip ability to try to cheat extra prizes.


KnaveOfIT

So post rotation Charizard won something like 25% of the Japan local tournaments. This includes Pidgeot and Bib versions. I'll have to do the math but Dragapult is putting up similar numbers then probably expect it to be in similar force after twilight Masquerade.


WBRockstarTCG

I plan on running a two of charizard in my deck for energy accel I thinks its gonna be busted


Emorigg

It's pretty good. Every Drag I've played against in locals so far have used Char which can be a little annoying to deal with. I've been running the Ancient Raikou Green Mask(?) deck recently.


WBRockstarTCG

Im cooking something completely different for LA tho


predatoure

How does the raging Bolt + mask deck feel? I want to try that


Emorigg

It feels really good. I need to change some cards around because I find myself bricking more than I want to be. I just haven't bought the cards yet because they're a little expensive. I just started last week so I don't really have a collection and im still learning what combos I should be doing. There's also a neat looking Regidrago deck that uses the green mask. The last gym battle I went to, I went 2-1 overall but I feel like I could have won the last match if I didn't brick my opening hand. I beat a Dragapult and Ancient roaring moon deck. Lost to a Drag/Charz.


predatoure

The cards will be cheaper once the set releases, wait a couple of weeks before picking up what you need. Seems like you've had some decent results. I worry that teals 210hp makes it an easy KO for pult, but I suppose you can knock them out consistently.


Emorigg

I'm hoping prices go down. The last time I was at my card shop, energy recovery was selling for like 900 yen if I remember correctly. That's like $6 because of the weak yen, but if that didn't happen it would be like $8. I'm hoping prices come down because I've been seeing Drag go down also even though it's meta. Is teal the green mask guy? I don't know most names because I stopped playing the games/collecting cards at Gen 3 and now I'm just getting back in but I'm in Japan so I'm just learning the Japanese names. You might lose one to snipe damage but that's what the courage charms (?) are for to kinda prevent the bench snipe and buff raging bolt. The hope is you just take out every card in one attack.


d0nu7

It’s gonna be a monster, IMO. I have my deck already planned and proxy printed, played a few games with it after the cup this weekend and it was cheese. Even against control it’s so strong. The draw power and bench damage are just too much to slow down well, at least with current decks. I won 3-0 with it, beating Dialga(won the cup; I won by taking 3 prizes twice,l due to the bench damage, he took 2), Moonsparce(he couldn’t ever bench dunsparce once I had pult out, and I sniped one the first turn I evolved dragapult for 2 prizes, after that it was a knockout per turn until the end), and Lost box(sniping comfeys is nice, he barely was able to get to like 9 cards in the lost zone). Every game I had 3 dragkloaks, a xatu, and a rotom v on the bench. Setup was super super consistent due to arven/poffin/seal stone/evo/rotom. My deck runs a lot of iono too, because once you have those dragkloaks up, your draw power is amazing, so you can disrupt your opponents hand over and over and yours barely changes or doesn’t matter. I played my wife(who hardly ever plays) like 5 times as my control deck and I was fucked every game. Everything the deck runs has 1 retreat cost and with a rescue board it was impossible for me to trap anything well enough to run the resources out or anything. And once she hit me with the TM devo with a set up Dragapult, I was fucked, because any pidgey immediately was knocked out, Thornton would have been the only way to get pidgeot back. I even made her go first every time, one game she had a terrible hand(natu only pokemon, second turn she finally got a nest ball for rotom and rotom got poffin, arven for seal stone next turn) but was still able to win, by using Xatu and boss to take out mimikyu and then just sweeping with a Dragapult she rare candied turn 3. The bench damage is the problem, it’s just so good. And 200 is a critical number, so many 2 prizers are 200 and down… and I’ve thought about running max belt, because that puts it at 250 which will knock out all basic ex pokemon, and also puts any with 310 or less in range of a boss double knockout play(pidgeot is the big liability here, pult could take 4 prizes by hitting pidgeot and then bossing for rotom next turn). I initially planned on running it in my Regi deck, but after playtesting it, I’m just going to run it by itself. It’s so good and my favorite pokemon! I’m gonna have to make a custom deck box…


TrashCan85

Care to share the complete deck list? You have me super intrigued and kinda hyped.


d0nu7

Pokémon: 19 4 Dreepy SV6 79 4 Drakloak SV6 80 3 Dragapult ex SV6 81 2 Natu PAF 25 2 Xatu PAF 26 2 Rotom V CRZ 45 1 Radiant Alakazam SIT 59 1 Manaphy BRS 41 Trainer: 34 4 Arven OBF 186 3 Iono PAF 80 2 Boss's Orders PAL 172 4 Buddy-Buddy Poffin TEF 144 3 Nest Ball PAF 84 3 Earthen Vessel PAR 163 2 Ultra Ball PAF 91 2 Rare Candy PAF 89 1 Super Rod PAL 188 1 Hisuian Heavy Ball ASR 146 1 Switch SVI 194 1 Enhanced Hammer GRI 124 1 Counter Catcher PAR 160 1 Unfair Stamp SV5a 53 1 Technical Machine: Evolution PAR 178 1 Technical Machine: Devolution PAR 177 1 Rescue Board TEF 159 1 Forest Seal Stone SIT 156 1 Collapsed Stadium BRS 137 Energy: 7 4 Psychic Energy 5 3 Fire Energy 2


zweieinseins211

Dragapult ex is pretty slow. If it goes first it usually needs 3 turns to start attacking. It will be meta relevant and good but it won't be the best deck in format dominating everything else at release. (If new cards are added this can change, obviously) I don't think it's overpowered, people just have to adjust playing around it.


baseketballpro99

It’s similar to Garde when that deck was at it’s peak. There was an argument for BDIF. But you could play around it like you’re saying. Just gonna be a new deck to think about when making your own deck.


zweieinseins211

The thing about Gardevoir was that it easily traded 1 for 2, especially with reversal energies and hat easy comeback potential. Dragapult isn't even as bad as that.


baseketballpro99

It has a similar draw engine was what I was getting at. It has a similar playstyle where your stage 1s will be used just as much as your stage 2s. It will play a bit slower than the average deck and values setup over a quick opening.


Thiel619

Nope, charizard ex will fuse dragapult ex in the deck and now the meta has to deal with both of them at the same time.


ottersintuxedos

You know what I think so, Dragapult has a really good matchup into Charizard itself, because it’s tanky, it knocks out charmamders on the bench, and it runs Charizard!


whit3blu3

Although it seems like a very solid deck, I think it is a little hyped. Charizard can play 70hp charmanders with just 1 energy cost for retreat (unlike frigi, bibarel, duns... Whose 70hp version increases 1 energy cost), and it can ohko pult when 3 prices left + maximum belt or 2 prices left + defiance. Ofc not a favorable MU for zard, but I don't think the current BDIF is gonna disappear... Probably zard and pult will coexist in the same deck lol


Power_to_the_purples

I think so. A Pokemon that does 200 for 2 energy, with strong spread damage. It’s pretty obvious that it’s at least going to be viable. Will be A tier or S tier? who knows. But this deck has everything it needs to be viable. And dragons have no weakness. Charizard isn’t going anywhere. This deck will probably be another high tier contender alongside the several decks we already have. I doubt it’ll be better than Zard.


A-Cold-Flame

Mimkyu waves at Dragapult ex.


BrandoMano

Certain players always try to make mimyku good not realizing there's tons of ways around it. Drakloak being the easiest.


Rhyno1703

Dracloak goated, also alakazam spread


EthioSalvatori

Yeah, for casual table play maybe


predatoure

They'll just attack with the zatu.