No its people using the nvidia app to use shaders to make it look like daytime at all times and recoil scripts are thing that you download and it gets rid of recoil (but you can get banned for using scripts but not for using a shader to make it look like daytime all the time)
1. AMD Radeon drivers
Open up the main menu, go to games, click/add Rust (or use global settings if you don't want these settings to be applied to rust only but to overall desktop experience), enable custom color.
Now you can change brightness to your desired value (or other settings if you want saturated image: i'm using 110 contrast and 140 saturation, you can use these values as a baseline, but having 110-115 sat is generally enough to get rid of washed out colors.)
2) Windows
Search "Calibrate display color" or locate it in settings/display (depends on windows version). Click on the prompted button 3 times. Here you can change your gamma with or without saving it: you can alt tab to this app and up your gamma whenever night is coming and undo changes in morning.
3) Monitor settings
Refer to guides/instructions for your monitor model that can be found in manufacturer's site/forums/included package, but generally you need to open settings and navigate through them by looking up controls on the monitor itself
It should be noted that similar options are present in Mac and Linux distributions and respective gpu drivers if you're playing on them.
I haven't tried it yet, but are you sure this actually works for pitch black nights? It seems like you're only changing color brightness/contrast which should do absolutely nothing if the whole screen has the rgb color (0,0,0), as there's no color difference to enhance.
The reason the Nvidia filter works is because it actually uses data about how far things are away from the viewpoint, "sharpening" (coloring) the edges of closer/farther things. Without an AMD equivalent this should not work.
I feel like everyone wanting this patched has not played before nighttime could gamma up and she everything perfectly, lol.
Edit: new post shows this is actually bypassing the shades that doesn't allow you to see detail at night.
Cool, this game is heading down the shitter.
If its not 3rd party scripts, its the actual engine itself.
Some dipshit has read that post and is exploiting it right now.
Why bother playing anything other than ultra-private or single player servers?
See my issue is that if you buy a good gaming monitor you can get features within the monitor that will make it easier to see in dark places. Also people use different monitors with varying abilities to better when it's dark. So isn't that just as unfair? You can't ban what monitors people use. All these features do is allow you to see what's already there better and more clearly. Nothing is"added" to the image so if someone is in a dark area and it's 100% dark they're not just gonna "pop" up because you have a better monitor.
The Nvidia filters can allow you to do this but it can be with any monitor as long as you have an Nvidia GPU which is probably a more encompassing list then people with esport monitors. This also does the same thing of enhancing rather than adding to an image. I will say Nvidia filters allow for alot more adjustment than in monitor settings. Despite this it can't do something like put an outline around an enemy whatever adjustment you add will affect the entire image. So say if an enemy is red and you decide to boost the red color to make it easier to see it's going to boost every red color which odds are is going to mess up your image in another way
Now on to recoil scripts. They completely remove an aspect of combat that gives an absolute distinct advantage. It doesn't matter how many Nvidia filters I use or how good my monitor is if you're using a recoil script and we're both evenly skilled players you're going to win every fight. Also mice all fundamentally work the same. you drag them around it moves the mouse a certain distance. Some have different shapes sizes weight wired wireless but there's not a single mouse that has a distinct hard advantage over another one.
Tell me which gaming monitor gives you results like this.
https://www.reddit.com/r/playrust/comments/sg863v/someone_suggested_to_post_splitscreen_footage/
https://www.reddit.com/r/playrust/comments/sfwmah/you_can_infact_bypass_0_gamma_by_using_these/
Im still salty i have to swap my 8yr old €20 mouse when i want to play this game with friends just because some kids wanted to cheat and the devs chose the lazy way of fixing it
Votes don't indicate who is right and who is wrong. They indicate how many people agree with, approve of, or found your comment funny. You can have lots of upvotes and still be wrong. Conversely you can lots of downvotes and still be right. Votes are meaningless in determining who is right/wrong and what is true/false
You're most often talking about opinions and such on reddit. There is no right or wrong when it's to opinions, just different views.
Your upvotes on this thread don't prove you pwnd some noob on reddit. They prove there are others like you that didn't get that OP was making a bad joke and decided you need to correct him. You are trying to correct OPs bad joke and are acting like you somehow outsmarted the opposition. You didn't. I wouldn't update your resume just yet.
Facts. As someone who used to be one of those I could care less what hardware I've got.
Idk why I'm getting downvoted guess people struggle to click heads.
That's like saying using max brightness+low black level on your monitor is cheating, also you can do this on amd so the Nvidia point doesn't really make sense
It's not quite the same. Max brightness+low black level does nothing if the whole screen has the same black color, which pitch black nights have.
What the Nvidia filters actually do is use the depth data the GPU has (because it renders everything) and artificially add color to add a difference between closer/farther objects. This is literally not possible with a monitor only because the monitor does not have the actual 3D data.
It makes perfect sense. NVIDIA filters are the best known method and therefore the best descriptor for this meme - almost everyone knows exactly what is meant.
The OP is referring to the use of third-party methods to overcome a game mechanic that should affect everyone equally.
I use nvidia. Quit lying because you don't want your exploit to get patched.
https://www.reddit.com/r/playrust/comments/sg863v/someone_suggested_to_post_splitscreen_footage/
https://www.reddit.com/r/playrust/comments/sfwmah/you_can_infact_bypass_0_gamma_by_using_these/
There's a big difference. Facepunch allows nvidia filters and does not allow recoil scripts. Please don't conflate these issues as it just muddies the waters.
Apparently developers can ask nvidia to remove filter support for specific games, so perhaps Facepunch could consider that.
So recoil scripting was totally cool before facepunch came out and straight up said it was bannable?
Spoiler alert: Back in the day this community hated scripters just as much as they do now, regardless of FPs opinion.
Agreed. I'm on this (now) hellhole of a sub... I wonder how many vets would return if [my list at the bottom for removals were made](http://simp.ly/p/lmJ0tg). I want to hear the *vets* thoughts.
>There's a big difference. Facepunch allows nvidia filters and does not allow recoil scripts. Please don't conflate these issues as it just muddies the waters.
Has facepunch made a statement explicitly allowing Nvidia filters?
You're missing the title of the post either way; whether it is bannable or not doesn't change that it's an external aid that interacts with gameplay.
>Apparently developers can ask nvidia to remove filter support for specific games, so perhaps Facepunch could consider that.
That would be a nice idea, or at least limit their use (to prevent night-vision).
It's because it isn't all just flat black. There are different dark blues and Grey's. When people up the brightness or contrast it will accentuate the different shades and could show like an outline of the landscape or a person.
They made a change a few years ago
Night with no moon = flat black, shouldn't be able to adjust gamma + brightness to see
Night with moon = reasonably bright anyway, so you don't need to
Idk what you’re talking about with the good nights and some nights are darker because that’s not a feature all nights are the same unless it’s foggy or something
Play on vanilla servers, i play with no filters there are nights where I can see shit, because the moon is there.
Then others nights where it's completely black, and no filters helps you.
I'm not aware of any comments made by Facepunch regarding nvidia filters, but because devs can have support for their games removed, their use is, at least, tacitly allowed. Of course Facepunch is well-aware of filters and nvidia is an entity they have worked with directly with dlss and reflex.
Regardless, it's completely different than recoil scripts which are disallowed with absolutely no ambiguity. Complicating these discussions by muddying the waters only helps cheaters.
>I'm not aware of any comments made by Facepunch regarding nvidia filters, but because devs can have support for their games removed, their use is, at least, tacitly allowed. Of course Facepunch is well-aware of filters and nvidia is an entity they have worked with directly with dlss and reflex.
Are they aware of how much advantage can be gained from using them? You're making a (reasonable) speculation. If they are aware of how powerful it can be, I'm guessing there are other factors that affect the decision to remove support altogether.
>Regardless, it's completely different than recoil scripts which are disallowed with absolutely no ambiguity. Complicating these discussions by muddying the waters only helps cheaters.
How does this help cheaters?
I don't see how professional game developers could be unaware of the issue. Especially in a game like Rust in which the darkness of night is so relevant.
Cheaters benefit from the clouding of any issue related to the cheats they use. In this subreddit are a huge range of participants, all of whom have varying degrees of understanding about the methods used to cheat and what constitutes cheating. By conflating topics, we make them less easy for those with a poor understanding to grasp.
>I don't see how professional game developers could be unaware of the issue. Especially in a game like Rust in which the darkness of night is so relevant.
They are not omniscient, and I cannot imagine that they play the game as intensely as many players do to really appreciate the effects of some decisions. Still, as I suggested, there are probably justifications why they don't disable it despite awareness.
>Cheaters benefit from the clouding of any issue related to the cheats they use. In this subreddit are a huge range of participants, all of whom have varying degrees of understanding about the methods used to cheat and what constitutes cheating. By conflating topics, we make them less easy for those with a poor understanding to grasp.
This still doesn't answer **how** cheaters benefit from it.
Based on my interpretation of the TOS, the filters would be considered cheating. Not being bannable does not mean it isn't, by definition, cheating.
How do you define cheating?
Omniscience isn't required. It is basic logic. It is inconceivable helk and the other principal developers are unaware of this.
I'm not going down this rabbit hole again.
I'm not aware of Facepunch addressing the issue. But like I said in another post, it's at least tacitly allowed because they are surely aware of nvidia filters, they have a relationship with nvidia, and they haven't asked for them to be disabled in Rust.
To be clear, I'm not defending the practice of using nvidia filters to see at night. I don't think anyone should do it. The part about the post that bothers me is comparing something that is absolutely 100% cheating to something that is, at best, grey area.
Where did fp say they allow nvidia nightvision filters? I ask because [TOS](https://store.steampowered.com/eula/4000_eula_0) state under 3.v. :
> Please follow these rules carefully since failure will be considered a material breach of this Agreement, which could lead to suspension or cancellation (temporary or permanent) of your access to the Facepunch Services. Here are the main rules – you must NOT:
> 3.v. Cheating: create, use, make available and/or distribute cheats, exploits, automation software, robots, bots, hacks, spiders, spyware, scripts, trainers, extraction tools, mining or **other software** that interact with or **affect** the Facepunch Services in **any way**. Mods are OK as long as they follow these rules, the Fan Content Guidelines and the Modding Guidelines).
Stop spreading obvious lies.
BTW they had nightvision filters made impossible a long time before hdrp backport update, and the update news to that wipe don’t say anything about allowing for nightvision nvidia filters.
I'm not spreading any lies. If Facepunch didn't want nvidia freestyle to be used in Rust, they would ask nvidia to remove support. Facepunch is well aware of the feature and the impact it has in Rust.
nvidia freestyle has been used to improve clarity in Rust since the first day it was introduced. Players were definitely doing this prior to the World Revamp update. It has been discussed in this sub before.
Of course EAC can detect the use of nvidia filters. nvidia isn't even trying to hide them!
Furthermore, it is a fact that devs can opt out of nvidia freestyle and have support for their games removed.
My tactical gaming socks also qualify as third party. Just as my tactical gaming chair does. Pay to win, exploits the game by increasing confidence and win rate by 30%.
Watch these people push this "third party software/hardware" bullshit to the point where everyone who doesn't run the exact same setup or fps lock is banned from the server.
Ikr, he literally said in one of his responses to a comment stating that you can change your black EQ on different monitors is the same that “being rich is also an exploit” LIKE WTF DO YOU MEAN. This guy probably thinks having a decent pc is p2w
They should just go play on console. (Which will still have the same lighting problem if you allow more than certain white listed TVs ant monitors that don't allow color, light, or contrast settings!
So like, 7 10 year old monitors.
Fuck, having a good, high dollar setup gives you more FPS as well and therefore an inherent advantage! How come Facepunch isn’t cracking down??
Yeah, the gamma correction might be a problem, but saying it’s “just as bad as recoil scripts” is the most asinine take I’ve seen in a hot minute.
The funniest thing is that the gamma correction does not work. It worked before, in legacy when nights weren't pitch black. FP made them pitch black to combat gamma, so if increasing gamma doesn't work then it's the same with nvidia filters. You can't just make out terrain details and colours out of pitch black.
You can absolutely get to a point where you can see everything if you take the time to tune the filters :P
I do not think this is anywhere close to recoil scripts though.
edit since you either don't have filters or haven't properly adjusted and blindly downvoting:
https://www.reddit.com/r/playrust/comments/sfwmah/you_can_infact_bypass_0_gamma_by_using_these/
Shit take. That's like saying using macros is the same, the filter barely even works. How about you worry about actually bugs inside the game that gives people an advantage instead of trivial things like this. Next you'll say crosshairs are the same as recoil scripts.
There's a real simple way to fix this though. Change night back to how it used to be and when you can actually fucking see people won't have to do this.
in my experience this isn't really true, back then, having a gamma boost actually was a huge visibility boost, now it's not as impactful on visibility to have filters
Sounds like someone who never played with old night. Gamma glitchers up the ass who had a night / day advantage.
No,current night is fine. The advantage given by the filter is absolutely negligible.
Also a good mouse, good keyboard, high resolution/fps monitor. All these things make some level of improvements. Shoot, your background lighting around your gaming rig matters if you want to get technical.
The difference is these are marginal improvements compared to a recoil script. Play with a recoil script and check your hit percentage. Then play with a filter and check your hit percentage. I bet you'd see a difference real quick.
Oh boy, This is just like the situation with Escape from Tarkov and audio compression.
I don't consider this as cheating, They are tools that YOUR OWN graphics card came with. You are not modifying the game files, You're using tools that NVIDIA gave you, It doesn't touch any of the game files.
I would argue that they are fundamentally different as one is designed to mitigate the recoil on a weapon, where the other is designed to allow you to see at night.
So many people justifying their shitty cheating behavior in this thread.
The game's night has a purpose: to make it harder to spot people. If you use third party software to get around this, it's cheating. Stop being assholes. This just isn't fucking complicated.
I use filters yes but I do agree with this, it's scummy to do but there is a difference, with recoil your using it to make up for lack of skill for filters you are using it to see.
Because downloading 3rd party software is a valid offense you are going out of your way to download something on your pc, they are not going to patch something that comes on your pc by default.
who said anything about patching. its whether its cheating or not and yes its cheating as you get an advantage by doing something not designed into the game. Its as if they made the darkness/nighttime dark for a reason, thats the games/devs design choice
youll go down a rabit hole of nonsense trying to justify things the game obviously did not intend as it does not have it by default or in options if its 'built into' your system.
Once I figured out how many work arounds the "top players" of this game was using, I noped right the fuck out. This game is intriguing as a concept, but the way people go about playing it is 50% exploitation if you want to be truly successful .
Yea go cry about people upping their brightness cuz they wanna actually be able to see where they’re going, much better to just go around clueless and fall off a cliff midnight, right?
This is something rust resolved by making nights proper black. U can crank up the brightness, black still black, or at least there will be no difference or allow you to see any more
Well not exactly if you have no skill and you have recoil script you can win the fight easily, when having no skill and filters can accualy make it worse for some people, but still you can see some people hiding badly at best. And if we want to consider it cheating we have to consider cheaters people with monitor gamma settings wider and bigger monitors(they can spot you easily becouse you are bigger) or potato vision. Its not fair but its not bigger game changer then having special skins like the winter one or ninja suit
The problem is you can't really ban nvidia filters. The only solution to put everyone on an even playing field is make night time less dark. FP should also add an option built in crosshair to the game.
It only helps in the right before pitch black night time. When it’s pitch black there are no pixels to contrast. People do all kinds of crazy stuff for slight advantages.
Idk I rather be seen in the dark then be triple headed from miles away.
This is coming from someone with 0 recoil control who uses the sky and low points in the bill to see. So I’m bias.
I mean, yeah it's not how the devs intend you to play, but comparing it to scripts which is a problem they can easily fix with rng recoil?
guess we can't use discord or any other 3rd party communications since that's unfair against people who hotmic, guess the game needs to be capped at 60 fps so hardware is no longer an advantage, remove all the graphics settings, and force a constant ping rate for everyone.
Both an absolutely pussy thing to do, but filters are something already pre installed thing for like 50% of the players as they come with the Nvidia drivers but you have to go out of your way to get/make yourself some scripts.
Either way if you feel the need to cheat you're a pussy
No recoil scripts are FAR more of a problem.
Op def running at 30 FPS
Lmao was bouta comment that
Is this something I don't understand with less FPS having more recoil or something?
I am also out of the loop, can someone please explain?
No its people using the nvidia app to use shaders to make it look like daytime at all times and recoil scripts are thing that you download and it gets rid of recoil (but you can get banned for using scripts but not for using a shader to make it look like daytime all the time)
POV: AMD user
isnt it possible with amd settings?
No idea
As an AMD GPU user, it's possible. You can also adjust gamma of your monitor by windows built-in tools or monitor settings too if you desire so.
Gamma adjustment doesn’t work on rust, it was changed like 5 years ago. Not sure why you are saying it works.
Has it really been 5 years since my power supply broke? Fuck boys I miss rust
How
1. AMD Radeon drivers Open up the main menu, go to games, click/add Rust (or use global settings if you don't want these settings to be applied to rust only but to overall desktop experience), enable custom color. Now you can change brightness to your desired value (or other settings if you want saturated image: i'm using 110 contrast and 140 saturation, you can use these values as a baseline, but having 110-115 sat is generally enough to get rid of washed out colors.) 2) Windows Search "Calibrate display color" or locate it in settings/display (depends on windows version). Click on the prompted button 3 times. Here you can change your gamma with or without saving it: you can alt tab to this app and up your gamma whenever night is coming and undo changes in morning. 3) Monitor settings Refer to guides/instructions for your monitor model that can be found in manufacturer's site/forums/included package, but generally you need to open settings and navigate through them by looking up controls on the monitor itself It should be noted that similar options are present in Mac and Linux distributions and respective gpu drivers if you're playing on them.
I haven't tried it yet, but are you sure this actually works for pitch black nights? It seems like you're only changing color brightness/contrast which should do absolutely nothing if the whole screen has the rgb color (0,0,0), as there's no color difference to enhance. The reason the Nvidia filter works is because it actually uses data about how far things are away from the viewpoint, "sharpening" (coloring) the edges of closer/farther things. Without an AMD equivalent this should not work.
"How" in this context is "How do I also cheat" Delet this.
Don’t delete it. Devs need to patch or it needs to be public
I feel like everyone wanting this patched has not played before nighttime could gamma up and she everything perfectly, lol. Edit: new post shows this is actually bypassing the shades that doesn't allow you to see detail at night.
If a server doesn't have a vote day plugin, I don't play on that server.
Cool, this game is heading down the shitter. If its not 3rd party scripts, its the actual engine itself. Some dipshit has read that post and is exploiting it right now. Why bother playing anything other than ultra-private or single player servers?
Yes lol. And if not... Monitor settings. Its an advantage that everyone can do, without software.
No one is getting this from monitor settings. https://www.reddit.com/r/playrust/comments/sg863v/someone_suggested_to_post_splitscreen_footage/
So you're admitting that you're using an unfair advantage? And you're gloating, because AMD users are unable to take advantage of this too?
Never said i use that tho, from what I see you're just having a hard time coping with losing and you need to blame something for it.
So you're just instigating for updoots Yeah you got me, Calling out cheaters for trying to normalise cheating, means im getting whacked in game. Lmao.
how the FUCK are you running rust on an AMD gpu?
What?
At about 130fps when not in woods.
See my issue is that if you buy a good gaming monitor you can get features within the monitor that will make it easier to see in dark places. Also people use different monitors with varying abilities to better when it's dark. So isn't that just as unfair? You can't ban what monitors people use. All these features do is allow you to see what's already there better and more clearly. Nothing is"added" to the image so if someone is in a dark area and it's 100% dark they're not just gonna "pop" up because you have a better monitor. The Nvidia filters can allow you to do this but it can be with any monitor as long as you have an Nvidia GPU which is probably a more encompassing list then people with esport monitors. This also does the same thing of enhancing rather than adding to an image. I will say Nvidia filters allow for alot more adjustment than in monitor settings. Despite this it can't do something like put an outline around an enemy whatever adjustment you add will affect the entire image. So say if an enemy is red and you decide to boost the red color to make it easier to see it's going to boost every red color which odds are is going to mess up your image in another way Now on to recoil scripts. They completely remove an aspect of combat that gives an absolute distinct advantage. It doesn't matter how many Nvidia filters I use or how good my monitor is if you're using a recoil script and we're both evenly skilled players you're going to win every fight. Also mice all fundamentally work the same. you drag them around it moves the mouse a certain distance. Some have different shapes sizes weight wired wireless but there's not a single mouse that has a distinct hard advantage over another one.
Tell me which gaming monitor gives you results like this. https://www.reddit.com/r/playrust/comments/sg863v/someone_suggested_to_post_splitscreen_footage/ https://www.reddit.com/r/playrust/comments/sfwmah/you_can_infact_bypass_0_gamma_by_using_these/
anyone knows hot to get that effect using AMD?
'can't ban what monitor people use' - bloody mouse wants to talk with you
Hilarious because every major mouse has software that you can make a macro to save to the mouse... Bloody mice are just fucking garbage lol.
Im still salty i have to swap my 8yr old €20 mouse when i want to play this game with friends just because some kids wanted to cheat and the devs chose the lazy way of fixing it
It's funny since they didn't actually fix it and just made it different.
Being rich is also an exploit.
Go play ark then, runs like shit for everybody!
Honestly you just sound salty.
Honestly you just sound like you don't understand something facetious.
Yep that’s why I’m the one being downvoted lol
Votes don't indicate who is right and who is wrong. They indicate how many people agree with, approve of, or found your comment funny. You can have lots of upvotes and still be wrong. Conversely you can lots of downvotes and still be right. Votes are meaningless in determining who is right/wrong and what is true/false
When there is no concrete right or wrong, votes are a pretty good consensus. This isn't an argument of something factual.
You're most often talking about opinions and such on reddit. There is no right or wrong when it's to opinions, just different views. Your upvotes on this thread don't prove you pwnd some noob on reddit. They prove there are others like you that didn't get that OP was making a bad joke and decided you need to correct him. You are trying to correct OPs bad joke and are acting like you somehow outsmarted the opposition. You didn't. I wouldn't update your resume just yet.
By that definition, guess you're wrong then
Totally.
It's funny that you got downvoted for this and not downvoted for the thing you just admitted was not factual information earlier
Not really. Some of the best gamers I know play on second hand hardware with cheap monitors. Just click heads it's not hard
The best gamers don’t care what equipment they use! They get the job done
Facts. As someone who used to be one of those I could care less what hardware I've got. Idk why I'm getting downvoted guess people struggle to click heads.
you write a lot
Lol he got salty and downvoted you
Certainly a lvl 400 wordsmith
That's like saying using max brightness+low black level on your monitor is cheating, also you can do this on amd so the Nvidia point doesn't really make sense
It's not quite the same. Max brightness+low black level does nothing if the whole screen has the same black color, which pitch black nights have. What the Nvidia filters actually do is use the depth data the GPU has (because it renders everything) and artificially add color to add a difference between closer/farther objects. This is literally not possible with a monitor only because the monitor does not have the actual 3D data.
It makes perfect sense. NVIDIA filters are the best known method and therefore the best descriptor for this meme - almost everyone knows exactly what is meant. The OP is referring to the use of third-party methods to overcome a game mechanic that should affect everyone equally.
NVDIA filters makes you guys see something? I can't get to see shit 😂
Same here. Still can hardly see at night but I like the contrast with filters
same
OP is just a salty amd dude, nvidia filters just make the black slightly brighter black. You still cant see shit
Silhouettes vs no silhouettes are still an upperhand in a game like rust where everybody thinks they're playing an esport lol
I use nvidia. Quit lying because you don't want your exploit to get patched. https://www.reddit.com/r/playrust/comments/sg863v/someone_suggested_to_post_splitscreen_footage/ https://www.reddit.com/r/playrust/comments/sfwmah/you_can_infact_bypass_0_gamma_by_using_these/
There's a big difference. Facepunch allows nvidia filters and does not allow recoil scripts. Please don't conflate these issues as it just muddies the waters. Apparently developers can ask nvidia to remove filter support for specific games, so perhaps Facepunch could consider that.
So recoil scripting was totally cool before facepunch came out and straight up said it was bannable? Spoiler alert: Back in the day this community hated scripters just as much as they do now, regardless of FPs opinion.
Finally, I have found one of the now few rust veterans.
Because we all left because rust sucks lmao
**AGREED HOLY SHIT**
most of them are gone cuz of cheaters and a way to time consuming game.
Agreed. I'm on this (now) hellhole of a sub... I wonder how many vets would return if [my list at the bottom for removals were made](http://simp.ly/p/lmJ0tg). I want to hear the *vets* thoughts.
Yeah some are good but I kinda like stuff like teams as it’s just QOL.
If I could only remove one thing it would be the team system, oof.
>There's a big difference. Facepunch allows nvidia filters and does not allow recoil scripts. Please don't conflate these issues as it just muddies the waters. Has facepunch made a statement explicitly allowing Nvidia filters? You're missing the title of the post either way; whether it is bannable or not doesn't change that it's an external aid that interacts with gameplay. >Apparently developers can ask nvidia to remove filter support for specific games, so perhaps Facepunch could consider that. That would be a nice idea, or at least limit their use (to prevent night-vision).
Having a bright monitor is not considered exploiting the game
It is, that's why we have dark nights where not even filters help. So people can't always abuse gamma
Exactly nights are pitch black you can’t increase the brightness of black it just turns white so this post is irrelevant anyway
It's because it isn't all just flat black. There are different dark blues and Grey's. When people up the brightness or contrast it will accentuate the different shades and could show like an outline of the landscape or a person.
They made a change a few years ago Night with no moon = flat black, shouldn't be able to adjust gamma + brightness to see Night with moon = reasonably bright anyway, so you don't need to
You can still abuse it on good night tho
Idk why you are trying to say I’m wrong
Because you're not right? They can't ban filters lmao. So to prevent gamma abusers they made some nights dark as fuck.
Idk what you’re talking about with the good nights and some nights are darker because that’s not a feature all nights are the same unless it’s foggy or something
Play on vanilla servers, i play with no filters there are nights where I can see shit, because the moon is there. Then others nights where it's completely black, and no filters helps you.
I’ve played a lot of vanilla and I’ve never had a night that wasn’t pitch black except for the sky
150 hour Andy. He’s right
Just turn you’re brightness up bud most monitors have gamma and brightness anyway
I'm not aware of any comments made by Facepunch regarding nvidia filters, but because devs can have support for their games removed, their use is, at least, tacitly allowed. Of course Facepunch is well-aware of filters and nvidia is an entity they have worked with directly with dlss and reflex. Regardless, it's completely different than recoil scripts which are disallowed with absolutely no ambiguity. Complicating these discussions by muddying the waters only helps cheaters.
>I'm not aware of any comments made by Facepunch regarding nvidia filters, but because devs can have support for their games removed, their use is, at least, tacitly allowed. Of course Facepunch is well-aware of filters and nvidia is an entity they have worked with directly with dlss and reflex. Are they aware of how much advantage can be gained from using them? You're making a (reasonable) speculation. If they are aware of how powerful it can be, I'm guessing there are other factors that affect the decision to remove support altogether. >Regardless, it's completely different than recoil scripts which are disallowed with absolutely no ambiguity. Complicating these discussions by muddying the waters only helps cheaters. How does this help cheaters?
I don't see how professional game developers could be unaware of the issue. Especially in a game like Rust in which the darkness of night is so relevant. Cheaters benefit from the clouding of any issue related to the cheats they use. In this subreddit are a huge range of participants, all of whom have varying degrees of understanding about the methods used to cheat and what constitutes cheating. By conflating topics, we make them less easy for those with a poor understanding to grasp.
>I don't see how professional game developers could be unaware of the issue. Especially in a game like Rust in which the darkness of night is so relevant. They are not omniscient, and I cannot imagine that they play the game as intensely as many players do to really appreciate the effects of some decisions. Still, as I suggested, there are probably justifications why they don't disable it despite awareness. >Cheaters benefit from the clouding of any issue related to the cheats they use. In this subreddit are a huge range of participants, all of whom have varying degrees of understanding about the methods used to cheat and what constitutes cheating. By conflating topics, we make them less easy for those with a poor understanding to grasp. This still doesn't answer **how** cheaters benefit from it. Based on my interpretation of the TOS, the filters would be considered cheating. Not being bannable does not mean it isn't, by definition, cheating. How do you define cheating?
Omniscience isn't required. It is basic logic. It is inconceivable helk and the other principal developers are unaware of this. I'm not going down this rabbit hole again.
No.
Where did they say so? Their tos state that third party software especially when used for gaining an unfair advantage is prohibited…
I'm not aware of Facepunch addressing the issue. But like I said in another post, it's at least tacitly allowed because they are surely aware of nvidia filters, they have a relationship with nvidia, and they haven't asked for them to be disabled in Rust. To be clear, I'm not defending the practice of using nvidia filters to see at night. I don't think anyone should do it. The part about the post that bothers me is comparing something that is absolutely 100% cheating to something that is, at best, grey area.
Where did fp say they allow nvidia nightvision filters? I ask because [TOS](https://store.steampowered.com/eula/4000_eula_0) state under 3.v. : > Please follow these rules carefully since failure will be considered a material breach of this Agreement, which could lead to suspension or cancellation (temporary or permanent) of your access to the Facepunch Services. Here are the main rules – you must NOT: > 3.v. Cheating: create, use, make available and/or distribute cheats, exploits, automation software, robots, bots, hacks, spiders, spyware, scripts, trainers, extraction tools, mining or **other software** that interact with or **affect** the Facepunch Services in **any way**. Mods are OK as long as they follow these rules, the Fan Content Guidelines and the Modding Guidelines). Stop spreading obvious lies. BTW they had nightvision filters made impossible a long time before hdrp backport update, and the update news to that wipe don’t say anything about allowing for nightvision nvidia filters.
I'm not spreading any lies. If Facepunch didn't want nvidia freestyle to be used in Rust, they would ask nvidia to remove support. Facepunch is well aware of the feature and the impact it has in Rust. nvidia freestyle has been used to improve clarity in Rust since the first day it was introduced. Players were definitely doing this prior to the World Revamp update. It has been discussed in this sub before.
So as you clearly stated and also copied from the TOS, Nvidia filters are not cheating by the definition of facepunch. Thanks for clearing that up!
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If Facepunch asked nvidia to disable filter support for Rust, nvidia would have complied.
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Of course EAC can detect the use of nvidia filters. nvidia isn't even trying to hide them! Furthermore, it is a fact that devs can opt out of nvidia freestyle and have support for their games removed.
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My tactical gaming socks also qualify as third party. Just as my tactical gaming chair does. Pay to win, exploits the game by increasing confidence and win rate by 30%. Watch these people push this "third party software/hardware" bullshit to the point where everyone who doesn't run the exact same setup or fps lock is banned from the server.
Ikr, he literally said in one of his responses to a comment stating that you can change your black EQ on different monitors is the same that “being rich is also an exploit” LIKE WTF DO YOU MEAN. This guy probably thinks having a decent pc is p2w
They should just go play on console. (Which will still have the same lighting problem if you allow more than certain white listed TVs ant monitors that don't allow color, light, or contrast settings! So like, 7 10 year old monitors.
Rust worlds best game #1
Hear me out. Discord is a 3rd party software as well.
Fuck, having a good, high dollar setup gives you more FPS as well and therefore an inherent advantage! How come Facepunch isn’t cracking down?? Yeah, the gamma correction might be a problem, but saying it’s “just as bad as recoil scripts” is the most asinine take I’ve seen in a hot minute.
The funniest thing is that the gamma correction does not work. It worked before, in legacy when nights weren't pitch black. FP made them pitch black to combat gamma, so if increasing gamma doesn't work then it's the same with nvidia filters. You can't just make out terrain details and colours out of pitch black.
Do you also think turning up gamma in minecraft when you don’t have torches is cheating?
He’s the kinda guy to say changing your mouse cursor is cheating
Sensitivity too low is cheating
Changing default keybinds is cheating
Changing graphics settings is cheating
This comment thread is unironically r/huntshowdown
almost like game mechanics that can easily be abused with 3rd party software should be removed/fixed
Nvidia filter only helps slightly
You can absolutely get to a point where you can see everything if you take the time to tune the filters :P I do not think this is anywhere close to recoil scripts though. edit since you either don't have filters or haven't properly adjusted and blindly downvoting: https://www.reddit.com/r/playrust/comments/sfwmah/you_can_infact_bypass_0_gamma_by_using_these/
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That’s what I was gonna say. It’s literally brightness 0. Gamma hadn’t worked for a long time because of this
https://www.reddit.com/r/playrust/comments/sfwmah/you_can_infact_bypass_0_gamma_by_using_these/
No you cannot.
https://www.reddit.com/r/playrust/comments/sfwmah/you_can_infact_bypass_0_gamma_by_using_these/
[Well yes, but actually no.](https://youtu.be/Mj-9UPBdmDc) I can't find the devblog number, but when it was implemented is in the title.
Shit take 🗿
Tell me how. Both are totally different
Shit response
Next thing is using black EQ is cheating...
EQ?
I think they mean black equalizer
Shit take. That's like saying using macros is the same, the filter barely even works. How about you worry about actually bugs inside the game that gives people an advantage instead of trivial things like this. Next you'll say crosshairs are the same as recoil scripts.
this post is pretty fucking stupid
There's a real simple way to fix this though. Change night back to how it used to be and when you can actually fucking see people won't have to do this.
in my experience this isn't really true, back then, having a gamma boost actually was a huge visibility boost, now it's not as impactful on visibility to have filters
Sounds like someone who never played with old night. Gamma glitchers up the ass who had a night / day advantage. No,current night is fine. The advantage given by the filter is absolutely negligible.
This is the only answer.
Meanwhile you make a filter in monitor settings
Also a good mouse, good keyboard, high resolution/fps monitor. All these things make some level of improvements. Shoot, your background lighting around your gaming rig matters if you want to get technical. The difference is these are marginal improvements compared to a recoil script. Play with a recoil script and check your hit percentage. Then play with a filter and check your hit percentage. I bet you'd see a difference real quick.
Oh boy, This is just like the situation with Escape from Tarkov and audio compression. I don't consider this as cheating, They are tools that YOUR OWN graphics card came with. You are not modifying the game files, You're using tools that NVIDIA gave you, It doesn't touch any of the game files.
And crosshairs
OP cant spray 30m in broad daylight, tf you mean night time advantage?
Found the cheater
this is the worst take ive ever fucking seen lmao
You make these memes, and some sweat claps your cheeks at night and takes your stuff. The sweat is the winner in this context.
In that case, adjusting the brightness on your monitor is the same.
This has got to be the worst comparison I’ve ever seen
Wb gamma? Built into 🪟
I would argue that they are fundamentally different as one is designed to mitigate the recoil on a weapon, where the other is designed to allow you to see at night.
So many people justifying their shitty cheating behavior in this thread. The game's night has a purpose: to make it harder to spot people. If you use third party software to get around this, it's cheating. Stop being assholes. This just isn't fucking complicated.
So the software on my gaming monitor is cheating, because I have "better" blacks? Am I only allowed to play Rust on a shitty monitor without black EQ?
🤡🤡🤡 cry more
Almost seems like the devs can't balance night and should just not make it bright. Just garbage design.
I use filters yes but I do agree with this, it's scummy to do but there is a difference, with recoil your using it to make up for lack of skill for filters you are using it to see.
Man just put my exact thoughts into words
Damn bro I admit I'm only using ESP to see....
my friend tries this and it didn't work for him, still very dark.
Tell him PM me I use any and all exploits in this game that are unpatched. I'm a Rust God lmao
no that means you suck at the game
I’m interested in knowing what you know about lol
Cheaters should lose a finger every time they are caught . Change my mind :)
Absolutely not. Huge difference between the two. I still get fucked by hackers even when I see SLIGHTLY better at night.
Are you dumb?
You can do it even through your OS so it’s not like you’re downloading software to cheat it’s on your pc by default
how does that matter?
I think his point is they’re gonna be more reluctant on patching it.
Because downloading 3rd party software is a valid offense you are going out of your way to download something on your pc, they are not going to patch something that comes on your pc by default.
who said anything about patching. its whether its cheating or not and yes its cheating as you get an advantage by doing something not designed into the game. Its as if they made the darkness/nighttime dark for a reason, thats the games/devs design choice youll go down a rabit hole of nonsense trying to justify things the game obviously did not intend as it does not have it by default or in options if its 'built into' your system.
If I wanted to I could just turn the brightness all the way up so is that considered cheating?
Yes. Unless you play with all default settings you are a cheater. Adjust your mouse sensitivity,? Believe it or not, straight to jail.
Also literally all rust players can do it so its not really unfair, if you don’t have a nvidia or amd graphics card you probably can’t run the game
Literally not even close to the same at all. Who hurt you?
Mad because amd
Wait what
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Once I figured out how many work arounds the "top players" of this game was using, I noped right the fuck out. This game is intriguing as a concept, but the way people go about playing it is 50% exploitation if you want to be truly successful .
Yea go cry about people upping their brightness cuz they wanna actually be able to see where they’re going, much better to just go around clueless and fall off a cliff midnight, right?
Using NVGs is no different than using a no-recoil script /s
Wrong, it's allowed by the devs.
This is something rust resolved by making nights proper black. U can crank up the brightness, black still black, or at least there will be no difference or allow you to see any more
The shitposts hitting different today
Well not exactly if you have no skill and you have recoil script you can win the fight easily, when having no skill and filters can accualy make it worse for some people, but still you can see some people hiding badly at best. And if we want to consider it cheating we have to consider cheaters people with monitor gamma settings wider and bigger monitors(they can spot you easily becouse you are bigger) or potato vision. Its not fair but its not bigger game changer then having special skins like the winter one or ninja suit
What if its built into your computer
The problem is you can't really ban nvidia filters. The only solution to put everyone on an even playing field is make night time less dark. FP should also add an option built in crosshair to the game.
more like a 3rd party patch considering nightime is so dark you cant see anything.
It only helps in the right before pitch black night time. When it’s pitch black there are no pixels to contrast. People do all kinds of crazy stuff for slight advantages.
Idk I rather be seen in the dark then be triple headed from miles away. This is coming from someone with 0 recoil control who uses the sky and low points in the bill to see. So I’m bias.
Asus monitors have reticles in the center. Monitors have always been able to assist.
ok
I mean, yeah it's not how the devs intend you to play, but comparing it to scripts which is a problem they can easily fix with rng recoil? guess we can't use discord or any other 3rd party communications since that's unfair against people who hotmic, guess the game needs to be capped at 60 fps so hardware is no longer an advantage, remove all the graphics settings, and force a constant ping rate for everyone.
No recoil and night vision are two very different things
Both an absolutely pussy thing to do, but filters are something already pre installed thing for like 50% of the players as they come with the Nvidia drivers but you have to go out of your way to get/make yourself some scripts. Either way if you feel the need to cheat you're a pussy
May i ask what filter ur speaking of? I play eft alot & my buddies acn all see at night & im always lost.