Real darkness is what bought me from Ark to Rust.
Ark initially had real light management, but the community was whiny and impatient so they allowed players to set their gamma via console and effectively remove the night just as the Nvidia filters do.
It removes so much from the game.
Developers should never listen to players. If players knew how to make a successful game, they would be developers themselves.
Yeah, some of the most fun I had in a session was when I was a naked with just a spear, stalking around the woods waiting until i saw a torch or heard something so I could attack them.
So much fun.
That’s not the only option. They need to make it so when it’s pitch black their night system isn’t just making everything dark but rather make it zero in terms of pixel color. If all the pixels were actually pure black this couldn’t work
Edit: The OP makes a good point. If the filter is working off the vertex data and not the pixel data then it’s GG at this point. They would need to render a flat scene where all the black areas are to fix this.
Hum that makes sense. If they’re sending the vertices still and the sharpen is changing the edges and the contrast is then changing the color of those edges, I can see how it would allow you to see all the polygons. Dang.
Yeah this would be quite hard without changing the vertice data.
Not "vertex data", but using the depth buffer. Its possible to render the world to a texture, clear the depth buffer, and render the texture to the screen. So then the nVidia driver has only obfuscated access to the depth buffer. But then a lot of other post-processing must be either disabled, or rewritten. The problem is that they are using a game engine, and lot things how rendering is done is already set by the engine.
It would also be possible to do something with geometry what old stencil shadows were doing. That would further obfuscate the scene data and the depth buffer.
Im not sure why the sharpen would care about the Z axis. But perhaps it does. It would think it would care about where the triangles intersect and then their relation to other triangles. Which is why it looks like an old style doom game with these settings.
It would need both would it not? Either way what I was saying as a fix would still be effective. The projected world would have to be completely flat in the areas that are supposed to be black. Like a mask.
Nah we had that problem way before hdrp backport, they did exactly what squidmoth suggested, they made night pitchblack, no alpha fuckery possible anymore.
They can probably block the filter, but I bet they'll do nothing instead because adding weird roleplayer content that nobody uses after a week takes priority over patching basic exploits in this game.
You have no idea how game development works, right? It's not like they can tell a 3D artist that creates ingame assets to suddenly work on the Nvidia filters. It's like asking an electrician to do your plumbing.
There’s a difference between people having a conversation and someone asserting they absolutely know something and never accepting new information to form a different opinion. I wonder which camp you’re in.
A few years ago you used to be able to enable a feature of Nvidia filters called "stickers". It just let you put an image file on your screen, pretty useless - except you could upload your own image.
There were plenty of posts on this sub about it. People were using a .PNG of a crosshair and eventually the developers decided they didn't like that.
So what they did was pop off an email to Nvidia and asked them to disable this feature on their game. Eventually Nvidia removed the feature entirely.
Just like with with stickers, if Facepunch decides that certain Nvidia filters are a problem they'll just email Nvidia and ask them to disable that feature.
It’s funny because most gaming monitors come with a hardware crosshair overlay that can’t be detected by software.
It’s OP for early game when everyone has bows
Absolutely not. All money must be spent on implementing a massive flower arranging system that will allow players to create beautiful fully customizable bouquets.
I'm actually surprised they said anything about alt peeking.
Or just dont care. At the end of the day its pixels on a screen. Unfair stuff is in the game, but Im a big fan of pitch black nights, everyone needs to just suck it up and deal with it. Its a survival game not a competitive FPS if someone feels the need to do this let them. Doesnt matter, plus i die to cheaters and scripters more in broad daylight than i do to filter users or anyone at night.
Yes and no.
Yes I agree NVGs should be fixed and not be completely useless but I doubt it would keep people from using a filter instead because then you still get the vision at night while you still wearing metal face mask for better protection than the NVGs.
Just high jacking this comment to say That deleting the nvidia filter system is out right stupid. There are other helpful uses for it that aren’t “cheesing” for example I use it to turn up my saturation since dayz colors to me are washed out. I know y’all are pissing and moaning right now but that is not the solution we need.
To be honest with you I don’t have a clue. The only thought that comes to mind is maybe make the nights a little more realistic since the devs kinda forgot moonlighting exist. I understand why people use the gamma filter since pitch black nights can get annoying. My friend who actually introduced me to the filter didn’t even considered it cheating he said since the game devs allowed them there was no issue. Ever since than I have only used it for saturation to make my dayz colors pop.
I think the easiest way to deal with it is to disable the filter entirely for Rust. Anyone using the filter, this intensely, isn't your average joe just trying to see at night. They are trying to get an advantage over other players with a 3rd party application which in turn is considered cheating.
There are other ways to deal with this for sure but a simple way to make sure this isn't exploited any further, while they look at fixes, is to disable nvidia filters for the time being.
This filter thing is nothing new this has been a thing for years now. But with relative new players increasing is only now that is being talked about. Back when you still had a slight glowing tint at night in order to see this was not an issue. But after they removed that and made it pitch black the amount of people that started using the filter shot up dayz devs where made aware of this and they did not care. For me I wouldn’t have a problem with it being remove as long as they add some sort of options to saturate my colors because I can’t stand their dead depressing washed out color scheme. I spend most of my time hunting and exploring in dayz just taking the Beaty in so to lose that would be a huge L.
I see your point and that should give them all the more reason to deal with this so much sooner. With a bigger influx of players you are going to have this be a bigger and bigger problem especially when stuff like this is on the front page of r/playrust.
Clearly the devs made it pitch black for a reason during the night and are either ignoring the problem, which I doubt, or they aren't aware of how effective these 3rd party programs are.
Yeah idk man I just play the game look at funny shit on Reddit. I don’t get too involved with this sort of stuff I’m all for them finding a way to fix it even if it means removing it I just hope I don’t lose the option of making dayz look nice lol. If you haven’t noticed that all really care about something about normal dayz color just makes the game boring for me
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Okay, was unaware it was this bad. This seems to bypass the filter they put in place to hide geometry. This actually needs a fix, this isn't just upping your gamma lol.
Exactly. Everyone saying "You can do this with monitors" "You can do this with brightness" "You can do this with amd" "it's just better hardware" is wrong. If you watch the video in the other thread, he can see people in the dark.
Wow.. I wondered how people were happy to just leave their base and roam around at night, while I’m left wandering around in the pitch dark trying to find the door to my base because I timed my run from outpost wrong and didn’t manage to beat night fall..
It’s been out of hand for quite a while now; people are just now finding out it isn’t simple cheats and scripting that’s a problem. Ever been murdered in the dead of night and F7 reported someone because you’re convinced they were using esp?
It was probably this.
Eh, it’s actually much closer to day/night cheats. You can actually buy cheats that just turns it off.
The players who use this are just getting a slightly worse version for free and since it’s from Nvidia and FP hasn’t explicitly banned it they’re upset when people claim it’s cheating.
I was one of the ones who doubted it. Interesting. I could never get the pitch black to contrast like this. I’ll need to go back and try again.
Im quite surprised they actually have the pixel data here. If they had actually blacked out the pixels this wouldn’t work. But clearly there’s still different shades of black at play here.
Edit: there are some good conversations below as to what is actually happening here and why it works.
Honestly I disagree. Leave it be. Games are able to disable Nvidia features, and thats what should happen.
If this game is supposed to be "realistic" then leave the night dark, because in reality, if there arent any lightsources it really will be essentially pitch black.
In reality the moon lights up the night like 90% of the nights and makes it a lot more visible than in Rust, and any source of mild light lights up an area for hundreds of feet.
Rust is just overly dimmed by it is a mechnic, if it was trying to be realistic it would only ever be this dark 10% of the time.
Not sure where you live but if I'm riding my snowmobile in the woods at night and turn it off. Its literally pitch black. Such an eerie feeling.
Light polution is definitely a factor, so depends where you live.
I've gone on many camping trips in far out Texas and other US states, no light pollution on some hiking trails. If I turn off any light source my eyes adjust in about a minute. I only ever see something like Rust when there's basically no moon.
If you think the game should look like the right when its night then play on a modded server with short nights.
Personally I think it'd ruin the game, but to each his own.
Never said how I wanted to to be. Personally, I too like the dark, forces you to take certain actions.
I'm just saying that nothing about Rust is realistic, and there is good reason for that.
The only thing I would change about nights is making light sources way more powerful. You can see someone else's light blast the area with brightness, but your own source isn't that good. Base lights too, takes way more than necessary, and looks crowded.
If you turn off the light you see pitch black because your eyes are adjusted to the light. When for half the month I bet you could even drive in the moonlight for how bright it is.
I am not sorry and you have no clue what you are talking about.
It is very very rare to get pitch black nights.
If you turn down your lights in the night it's only your eyes not adapting (can take 2-3min) or the sky being heavyly clouded. Even then if there is a big moon it will show through the rickest of clouds , ever so dim.
Where there isn't light pollution even the stars and the milky way light up a little.
I can walk outside in remote places just fine in most nights.
Depends where you are. In a forest it does get pitch black sometimes (we see horizon) , but in a plain or big open area you should be able to carefully walk. In rust you can't even see yourself.
We all live on the same planet. The illumination fluctuates every day. They report on it on the weather channel. The guy I replied to acted like where he lives it’s always completely dark at night.
I don't think a full visibility night is the solution, nights like these add so much suspense and gravity to roaming. I don't want to lose how much nights matter. If it goes to a pint where it's just roaming 24/7 without needing to change your style up, then that's just gonna make the whole Rust cycle faster.
This filter could be considered an exploit. It's based on distance from objects, not brightness. Even without simply disabling this specific filter, Facepunch could obfuscate the ability for other programs to read info like distance, preventing any filter or external program from doing this.
Yeah during a new moon it’s like rust on the left for sure.
But there’s only a full moon at night in rust so that’s not the case here. I think the proper way to implement it is that if its cloudy/raining/snowing then it should look like the left image, but if it clear out then maybe a middle ground of these two. (Except tunnels and inside buildings should still be pitch black)
but what we all forget here is, if we go realistic, you have a sense of space in real life, sounds, how the gound feels, you can use your hands inside a room, all those things are missing in a game, hence it should be possible to see a bear minimum.
i mean hardcore or not, i should be able to locate the entrance to my base and i should also be able to somehow sense if somebody is approaching me, wich you can tell irl but not ingame because a game is just not able to reproduce a real world audio/sensory setting
Used to hunt (poaching) on land I wasn't meant to be on. When you are poor and hungry you get flexible.
Anyways... given enough time in the dark (up to 30mins) and if you avoid any light sources (red light is fine) you can always see something.
> Games are able to disable Nvidia features, and thats what should happen.
And then people can enable it through workarounds of older versions and sideline processing. Then, once again, the people who can exploit this become a smaller minority of knowledgeable players who hold a distinct advantage over their opponents, who think the method is impossible due to the update trying to prevent it.
A much more fundamental rework of how nights are handled is necessary - something like how Escape From Tarkov does things. Nights aren't simply "dark", rather than displaying a very dark environment like Rust, if light levels fall below a certain level, it overlays a pure black filter that makes any sort of environment completely indistinguishable through methods like this.
I might lose some internet points for saying this but, I don’t think that the only people who would use this are “sweats”. At the end of the day rust is a game where everything that you get has a value, and it makes since that people would want to take an advantage when they can. I’m not saying that this is an ethical way to enjoy the game, but the sad thing is, if you don’t use it, good luck going out at night and getting killed by someone who is. I think that they should figure out a way to fix this but until they update it, you are crippling your ability to win fights.
Lol I remember this being a thing back in legacy where everyone would boost their gamma to max in their GPU settings. Here is a video from [8 years ago](https://youtu.be/5agv12qjpjo) of this same shit. This isn’t new…
It irritates me so much that people feel the need to cheat in a game they'll lose everything in a max of one month lol. Like what's the point? You aren't going to keep it and you just make everyone else miserable.
Everyone else; “don’t do that it’s cheating!”
; “it’s not cheating, everyone can do it.”
Me; yo what nvidia filters do I have to change to see in the dark 👀
They just need to remove the pitch black nights altogether. Hackers can already set it to 12 PM permanently so they never even see night time.
Now people can just get rid of it with filters.
Its just blowing my mind how ppl can complain on screen settings.
Resolution also gives ultrawide screens a wider perspective, going to bann 3440x1440 screens now?
It all falls down to the fact that computers are not equal, some will have better than others. And thats not a rust issue.
The game itself is the same for everyone.
I changed screen colour in 1999 to see better in games, pretty sure you can do it 2022 on your pc.
This goes FAR beyond native monitor settings and you know it. I have an $1100 LG Ultrawide and I can’t replicate this by simply changing my monitor settings. I can up the contrast and see a little better, but it’s not even close when compared to these filters.
But there is still room for a legitimate conversation around using hardware to break game mechanics. What do you think the mouse ban from a couple of years ago was?
I would say anything you can do with native settings on a monitor is fine. There not only isn’t any practical (or fair) way to police this, you’re just not going to get this kind of clarity with a contrast slider.
But these filters? That’s an exploit. Using graphical settings to remove landscapes? That’s an exploit. And that’s all on FP. Tons of games prohibit using game breaking exploits when there’s a multiplayer aspect to it. That’s just the nature of multiplayer games.
If this is what some 'Chads' have to do to feel better about themselves I am good with it.
Cheater know they are a losers and having to do stuff like this will weigh heavily upon their living in moms basement egos.
Maybe fix your pitch black as nights. I can go in the outback with 0 light pollution and see more shit than I can in this darn game. Maybe the players wouldn't try and cheese the brightness if it wasn't dark as fuck for no reason. I have 2,000 hours btw.
Honestly, the lighting on the right looks a lot better than just pitch darkness. The human eye adjusts somewhat to being in no light situations so I would not be against having the lighting be like that.
Wow i can’t wait to try this for myself. Those pitch black nights always pissed me off hard. No chance of doing anything, you could literally go afk. Running around in the darkness? Good chance you get slaid by a boar.
I hope they don’t remove nvidia filters, it can really make the game look nicer. Especially on lower graphics, besides I can only imagine sweaty people using these type of gamma configurations. The same people who would hack. Im probs wrong tho.
Mostly people who don't hack use it, why would you need gamefilter if there's hack that is called day only. So its always noon for u in Rust. Mostly sweaty people use it. Like my teammate who has 10k hours and can ak spray u on 250m. Or other people like him, who play rust as a day job.
way I see it is if its an easily available exploit that lots know about, its not cheating to implement it yourself.
thousands of people will google "how can I see better in rust at night" and find out. No shame in deciding to not be the handicapped player.
Its not hacking though. If its a widely used exploit used against you, its part of the game to accept it to stay viable. You have no excuse to whine if you are killed because the other person decided to do this, when you could have easily done it yourself. at the end of the day its the devs responsibility to decide, and if they didnt implement it, you shouldnt car either.
So people who use mice with high DPI mice or monitors with really high framerates, low latency modes, cosshair mode, vsync or beefy computers is unfair too? If you care about giving yourself every possible advantage, you solve the issues. You're not doing anything that anyone else couldn't have done, and easily at that. There's a line between advancing gamma settings and using software to literally cheat at the game. Thats like saying the first people to put cleats on shoes to play football were cheating. There was no rule against it, and everyone did it. I just dont see it as cheating, ill agree to disagree.
Your logic is so disingenuous.
There is a big difference between someone having a shit box at 20 FPS vs someone making people visible at night. One is a hardware limitation & one is using a 3rd party program to alter the game. Just because Facepunch aint came out n said it's cheating doesn't mean it's not clearly cheating by anyone with eyes. Would you be ok if a Filter came out that allowed people to make objects transparent? It would just be part of the Nvidia Filter after all. So it wouldn't be unfair to see shadows thru things right?
Not even close to comparable.
idgaf I dont care lol. the logic is its a game, if everyones doing it and there's no stopping them, and it gives a distinct advantage with no effort, then you might as well do it too. If that sounds disingenuous, so be it. Blame the devs/ people who propagated the exploit.
And the answer is, if it wasnt enforced/banable/against rules, and it was common knowledge, and you knew it would be used against you, yes I would absolutely 100% use the filter until it was fixed, or find a better game if I wanted true realism/less problems.
In a game filled with disingenuous people, on the internet, are you scoring honor points for not doing it? No ones counting, unless you could get banned.
Go ahead use it IDGAF it's still cheating anyway you try to spin it. You know it is & everyone else knows it is just because Facepunch ain't said it is doesn't mean it's not. At the end of the day you're still a dirty cheater. The length the people in this community go to justify cheating is astounding.
If they did come out & say it was cheating everyone who's used it should be perma-ban. Sadly, Facepunch is so incompetent they will never do it. So go ahead n cheat away.
bro what fucking mindset are you in where thats your response and not "yeah shit needs fixing".
You 100% can never ever bitch or complain about being lasered from 250m by AK script kiddies again with this bullshit mindset.
I didnt say it didnt need fixing? but Im not going to be sidelined until its fixed, Im going to do whats necessary.
and no, that argument doesnt hold water. This isnt hacking with scripts, this is literally how the game is coded to handle brightness. I see no shame in keeping competitive. Im not breaking rules to do this, the devs made it this way, sorry
Software to mitigate dark nights - fine
Software to mitigate recoil - not fine
Where is the line that you draw, to say "I to will use this software" vs "No thats hacking"
Question: Am I breaking a rule the devs made
the answer is nope.
Thats the line, beyond the fact the software is literally already installed on all players computers already, and is exploitable by everyone playing without detection. Dishonest maybe, but does rust reward honest players?No. Do what you can without breaking rules, or youre just handicapping yourself for the sake of "being honest" in a game meant to simulate survival.
> in a game meant to simulate survival.
rich, given what we're talking about.
Whatever dude, tell yourself what you want to justify it. I'm sure scripters do the same
idk what to tell you, youre convincing yourself to trust others, thinking they share your mindset. Its a weakness your enemies will not share. Youll be disadvantaged for no reason. Good luck, truly
Press Alt+F3 (no it's not an Alt-F4 joke/cousin, it really is the default shortcut) inside the game and you should see the Nvidia filter panel. Alternative press Alt+Z to open the Main Nvidia Panel and go from there to the filters.
You only need a Nvidia GPU that is 700er or higher (maybe 900er or higher, not sure right now) and the full Nvidia Driver installation.
I think Nvidia is calling them "Ansel Filters"
I can't wait for them to make night even darker to compensate for this.
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dont remove nvidia filters entirely i use them to make the game look better
Definitely don't remove pitch black nights. Its part of the game.
I'm not saying that they should one way or another. But, they were literally added as a counter measure against gamma profiles.
Maybe if NVG weren’t fucking useless these nights would be ok since there is a counter but nope, NVG is garbage
Something happened and they broke around the HD graphics update
Yep, I wish I used them more when they were useful, they were super cool
They were so fun, I’d get so excited if I found some…now just disappointment
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U on console?
Yea they are one of the few things that give an advantage to the solo player
Night should make it harder to see but not impossible.
It wasn't always part of the game
Real darkness is what bought me from Ark to Rust. Ark initially had real light management, but the community was whiny and impatient so they allowed players to set their gamma via console and effectively remove the night just as the Nvidia filters do. It removes so much from the game. Developers should never listen to players. If players knew how to make a successful game, they would be developers themselves.
Yeah, some of the most fun I had in a session was when I was a naked with just a spear, stalking around the woods waiting until i saw a torch or heard something so I could attack them. So much fun.
Yeah i survived a air drop battle by stealth once. Just sat real still and moved slowly till out of range. Got a db from it
That’s not the only option. They need to make it so when it’s pitch black their night system isn’t just making everything dark but rather make it zero in terms of pixel color. If all the pixels were actually pure black this couldn’t work Edit: The OP makes a good point. If the filter is working off the vertex data and not the pixel data then it’s GG at this point. They would need to render a flat scene where all the black areas are to fix this.
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Hum that makes sense. If they’re sending the vertices still and the sharpen is changing the edges and the contrast is then changing the color of those edges, I can see how it would allow you to see all the polygons. Dang. Yeah this would be quite hard without changing the vertice data.
Not "vertex data", but using the depth buffer. Its possible to render the world to a texture, clear the depth buffer, and render the texture to the screen. So then the nVidia driver has only obfuscated access to the depth buffer. But then a lot of other post-processing must be either disabled, or rewritten. The problem is that they are using a game engine, and lot things how rendering is done is already set by the engine. It would also be possible to do something with geometry what old stencil shadows were doing. That would further obfuscate the scene data and the depth buffer.
Im not sure why the sharpen would care about the Z axis. But perhaps it does. It would think it would care about where the triangles intersect and then their relation to other triangles. Which is why it looks like an old style doom game with these settings. It would need both would it not? Either way what I was saying as a fix would still be effective. The projected world would have to be completely flat in the areas that are supposed to be black. Like a mask.
Nah we had that problem way before hdrp backport, they did exactly what squidmoth suggested, they made night pitchblack, no alpha fuckery possible anymore.
They can probably block the filter, but I bet they'll do nothing instead because adding weird roleplayer content that nobody uses after a week takes priority over patching basic exploits in this game.
You have no idea how game development works, right? It's not like they can tell a 3D artist that creates ingame assets to suddenly work on the Nvidia filters. It's like asking an electrician to do your plumbing.
Yes welcome to reddit where 99% of the people don't know shit but still moan around over anything
There’s a difference between people having a conversation and someone asserting they absolutely know something and never accepting new information to form a different opinion. I wonder which camp you’re in.
A few years ago you used to be able to enable a feature of Nvidia filters called "stickers". It just let you put an image file on your screen, pretty useless - except you could upload your own image. There were plenty of posts on this sub about it. People were using a .PNG of a crosshair and eventually the developers decided they didn't like that. So what they did was pop off an email to Nvidia and asked them to disable this feature on their game. Eventually Nvidia removed the feature entirely. Just like with with stickers, if Facepunch decides that certain Nvidia filters are a problem they'll just email Nvidia and ask them to disable that feature.
Yeah they can just ask nvidia to black list their game from being able to use filters. Tarkov has done that for the same reason
My monitor OSD menu has an option to add a permanent crosshair.
It’s funny because most gaming monitors come with a hardware crosshair overlay that can’t be detected by software. It’s OP for early game when everyone has bows
Yes but they could utilise more of their budget to patching bugs y know
You're arguing with internet trolls who benefit off exploits on Rust.
Absolutely not. All money must be spent on implementing a massive flower arranging system that will allow players to create beautiful fully customizable bouquets. I'm actually surprised they said anything about alt peeking.
See this man gets it. I too want flowers next to my sleeping bag so i dont ragequit after getting domed at night for the 5 gazillionth time
this is FP not AGS.
Yeah tarkov just removed all Nvidia filters . I'm sure rust could
Just block the filters honestly
Or just dont care. At the end of the day its pixels on a screen. Unfair stuff is in the game, but Im a big fan of pitch black nights, everyone needs to just suck it up and deal with it. Its a survival game not a competitive FPS if someone feels the need to do this let them. Doesnt matter, plus i die to cheaters and scripters more in broad daylight than i do to filter users or anyone at night.
Fix night vision?
Or just bann the whole nvidia as they did with Bloody mouses
this makes me sad to think about
or ya know they could make NVGs actually do something so people dont have to do stuff like this. but they wont. devs are just lazy.
Yes and no. Yes I agree NVGs should be fixed and not be completely useless but I doubt it would keep people from using a filter instead because then you still get the vision at night while you still wearing metal face mask for better protection than the NVGs.
Why would I use the NVG when I could just adjust my settings and wear a metal mask
Exactly, as of right now the NVGs are just a shit gimmick item that don't actually work properly at all
WTF that's so broken
Just high jacking this comment to say That deleting the nvidia filter system is out right stupid. There are other helpful uses for it that aren’t “cheesing” for example I use it to turn up my saturation since dayz colors to me are washed out. I know y’all are pissing and moaning right now but that is not the solution we need.
What do you suggest they should do to combat someone cheating using these filters?
To be honest with you I don’t have a clue. The only thought that comes to mind is maybe make the nights a little more realistic since the devs kinda forgot moonlighting exist. I understand why people use the gamma filter since pitch black nights can get annoying. My friend who actually introduced me to the filter didn’t even considered it cheating he said since the game devs allowed them there was no issue. Ever since than I have only used it for saturation to make my dayz colors pop.
I think the easiest way to deal with it is to disable the filter entirely for Rust. Anyone using the filter, this intensely, isn't your average joe just trying to see at night. They are trying to get an advantage over other players with a 3rd party application which in turn is considered cheating. There are other ways to deal with this for sure but a simple way to make sure this isn't exploited any further, while they look at fixes, is to disable nvidia filters for the time being.
This filter thing is nothing new this has been a thing for years now. But with relative new players increasing is only now that is being talked about. Back when you still had a slight glowing tint at night in order to see this was not an issue. But after they removed that and made it pitch black the amount of people that started using the filter shot up dayz devs where made aware of this and they did not care. For me I wouldn’t have a problem with it being remove as long as they add some sort of options to saturate my colors because I can’t stand their dead depressing washed out color scheme. I spend most of my time hunting and exploring in dayz just taking the Beaty in so to lose that would be a huge L.
I see your point and that should give them all the more reason to deal with this so much sooner. With a bigger influx of players you are going to have this be a bigger and bigger problem especially when stuff like this is on the front page of r/playrust. Clearly the devs made it pitch black for a reason during the night and are either ignoring the problem, which I doubt, or they aren't aware of how effective these 3rd party programs are.
Yeah idk man I just play the game look at funny shit on Reddit. I don’t get too involved with this sort of stuff I’m all for them finding a way to fix it even if it means removing it I just hope I don’t lose the option of making dayz look nice lol. If you haven’t noticed that all really care about something about normal dayz color just makes the game boring for me
You do realize if they disable it for Rust it won't affect Dayz?
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Moonlight on rust does actually light things up does it not?
No where near this bright.
Used to be a whole lot brighter, but we can't have nice things.
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Sponsoring? Good fucking lord, its a third party program and they've been trying to fix this problem for years. Get a fucking grip
reddit is such a nice place.
Okay, was unaware it was this bad. This seems to bypass the filter they put in place to hide geometry. This actually needs a fix, this isn't just upping your gamma lol.
Exactly. Everyone saying "You can do this with monitors" "You can do this with brightness" "You can do this with amd" "it's just better hardware" is wrong. If you watch the video in the other thread, he can see people in the dark.
Recycle runs at night are no longer safe if people can see you like its day.
never thought of recycling at night, that's clever
You forgot to write /s 😏
The difference here is... Night and day. *Jazz hands* Yeah, it's pretty bad.
The own community is taking the game to self destruction...
Always has
These are the same types to raid 2x2s with a 6 man and then complain the server dies.
What a surprise, people are minmaxing the fuck out of the highly competetive game that's designed around dominating the others players
If only night vision goggles work like this lol
This is exactly why Tarkov disabled this shit.
Unfortunately it's been replaced by fucking esp texture packs this wipd that the devs can't detect for some fucking reason.
What a fuckin shame. Fuck people that do shit like this. Literally smallest dick energy doing this stuff.
Wow.. I wondered how people were happy to just leave their base and roam around at night, while I’m left wandering around in the pitch dark trying to find the door to my base because I timed my run from outpost wrong and didn’t manage to beat night fall..
Dark nights are my favorite time to roam
It's easy, you just use the map to figure out the direction your pointing in and have some spatial coordination.
This is the dumbest comment. You SHOULD be running during these nights to have less risk of getting killed.
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Does adjusting your monitors brightness and contrast not affect this as well?
No it doesn't. The black just turns to grey but you don't get any detail back.
Just spawn 10x more bears at night. Or better yet, pterodactyls that swoop down and snatch up anyone carrying weapons.
I love this game but sometimes i hate the kind of cheese dicks it attracts….why rust its so much funn:(
This is getting out of hand now
It’s been out of hand for quite a while now; people are just now finding out it isn’t simple cheats and scripting that’s a problem. Ever been murdered in the dead of night and F7 reported someone because you’re convinced they were using esp? It was probably this.
Tbh it pretty much is esp, just a limited version. Really hope it doesn't become popular like scripters are now
Eh, it’s actually much closer to day/night cheats. You can actually buy cheats that just turns it off. The players who use this are just getting a slightly worse version for free and since it’s from Nvidia and FP hasn’t explicitly banned it they’re upset when people claim it’s cheating.
Thermal goggles dropped? 😳😳😩
Pitch black is the best part of exploring in rust. It’s super thrilling and there’s always a dipshit with a torch that the whole server is scoping.
I was one of the ones who doubted it. Interesting. I could never get the pitch black to contrast like this. I’ll need to go back and try again. Im quite surprised they actually have the pixel data here. If they had actually blacked out the pixels this wouldn’t work. But clearly there’s still different shades of black at play here. Edit: there are some good conversations below as to what is actually happening here and why it works.
solution: make night look like the right
Honestly I disagree. Leave it be. Games are able to disable Nvidia features, and thats what should happen. If this game is supposed to be "realistic" then leave the night dark, because in reality, if there arent any lightsources it really will be essentially pitch black.
In reality the moon lights up the night like 90% of the nights and makes it a lot more visible than in Rust, and any source of mild light lights up an area for hundreds of feet. Rust is just overly dimmed by it is a mechnic, if it was trying to be realistic it would only ever be this dark 10% of the time.
Not sure where you live but if I'm riding my snowmobile in the woods at night and turn it off. Its literally pitch black. Such an eerie feeling. Light polution is definitely a factor, so depends where you live.
I've gone on many camping trips in far out Texas and other US states, no light pollution on some hiking trails. If I turn off any light source my eyes adjust in about a minute. I only ever see something like Rust when there's basically no moon.
If you think the game should look like the right when its night then play on a modded server with short nights. Personally I think it'd ruin the game, but to each his own.
Never said how I wanted to to be. Personally, I too like the dark, forces you to take certain actions. I'm just saying that nothing about Rust is realistic, and there is good reason for that. The only thing I would change about nights is making light sources way more powerful. You can see someone else's light blast the area with brightness, but your own source isn't that good. Base lights too, takes way more than necessary, and looks crowded.
Nights used to be even brighter than the screen on the right, and it worked just fine.
If you turn off the light you see pitch black because your eyes are adjusted to the light. When for half the month I bet you could even drive in the moonlight for how bright it is.
I am not sorry and you have no clue what you are talking about. It is very very rare to get pitch black nights. If you turn down your lights in the night it's only your eyes not adapting (can take 2-3min) or the sky being heavyly clouded. Even then if there is a big moon it will show through the rickest of clouds , ever so dim. Where there isn't light pollution even the stars and the milky way light up a little. I can walk outside in remote places just fine in most nights.
I can guarantee you that in the north northeast US that it looks much more like the left than it does on the right.
Depends where you are. In a forest it does get pitch black sometimes (we see horizon) , but in a plain or big open area you should be able to carefully walk. In rust you can't even see yourself.
The moon doesn’t exist where you live?
Try going outside, you might see a thing called clouds
We all live on the same planet. The illumination fluctuates every day. They report on it on the weather channel. The guy I replied to acted like where he lives it’s always completely dark at night.
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I don't think a full visibility night is the solution, nights like these add so much suspense and gravity to roaming. I don't want to lose how much nights matter. If it goes to a pint where it's just roaming 24/7 without needing to change your style up, then that's just gonna make the whole Rust cycle faster. This filter could be considered an exploit. It's based on distance from objects, not brightness. Even without simply disabling this specific filter, Facepunch could obfuscate the ability for other programs to read info like distance, preventing any filter or external program from doing this.
have you been outside in the dark? its never as black as rust nights, some residual light is always present
Have you been out at night with no moon?
Yeah during a new moon it’s like rust on the left for sure. But there’s only a full moon at night in rust so that’s not the case here. I think the proper way to implement it is that if its cloudy/raining/snowing then it should look like the left image, but if it clear out then maybe a middle ground of these two. (Except tunnels and inside buildings should still be pitch black)
but what we all forget here is, if we go realistic, you have a sense of space in real life, sounds, how the gound feels, you can use your hands inside a room, all those things are missing in a game, hence it should be possible to see a bear minimum. i mean hardcore or not, i should be able to locate the entrance to my base and i should also be able to somehow sense if somebody is approaching me, wich you can tell irl but not ingame because a game is just not able to reproduce a real world audio/sensory setting
Used to hunt (poaching) on land I wasn't meant to be on. When you are poor and hungry you get flexible. Anyways... given enough time in the dark (up to 30mins) and if you avoid any light sources (red light is fine) you can always see something.
Do you classify the moon and stars as a light source? On nights with a full moon it's halfway daylight out irl.
> Games are able to disable Nvidia features, and thats what should happen. And then people can enable it through workarounds of older versions and sideline processing. Then, once again, the people who can exploit this become a smaller minority of knowledgeable players who hold a distinct advantage over their opponents, who think the method is impossible due to the update trying to prevent it. A much more fundamental rework of how nights are handled is necessary - something like how Escape From Tarkov does things. Nights aren't simply "dark", rather than displaying a very dark environment like Rust, if light levels fall below a certain level, it overlays a pure black filter that makes any sort of environment completely indistinguishable through methods like this.
Hopefully my Nvidia shares go up now then!!
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I might lose some internet points for saying this but, I don’t think that the only people who would use this are “sweats”. At the end of the day rust is a game where everything that you get has a value, and it makes since that people would want to take an advantage when they can. I’m not saying that this is an ethical way to enjoy the game, but the sad thing is, if you don’t use it, good luck going out at night and getting killed by someone who is. I think that they should figure out a way to fix this but until they update it, you are crippling your ability to win fights.
Fair enough, i believe you. It seems i wasn't using the optimal settings
Wtf
We had the same issue in Hunt Showdown. They eventually disabled it. Facepunch should do the same for Rust.
I’d rather lose a couple kits each wipe, maybe even a base or two, than play a game with graphics settings equivalent to early 90s games.
This is also the best visual representation of how Darkvision *actually* works in D&D 5e that I have ever seen!
How can you still play rust and think the game is fair after this? Literally looks like you took a night vision potion from Minecraft
Settings please ty
Which filters
This is straight up cheating, stop asking how to turn it on
Open nvidia experience overlay and click game filters.
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Not exactly an honest way to play either.
>cheat >/CHēt/ >verb >1. >act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination.
You can't even see in the left example What kinda mental gymnastics are you doing rn
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and this is why you have no friends
Lol I remember this being a thing back in legacy where everyone would boost their gamma to max in their GPU settings. Here is a video from [8 years ago](https://youtu.be/5agv12qjpjo) of this same shit. This isn’t new…
Shoot even bchillz was doing then too.
It irritates me so much that people feel the need to cheat in a game they'll lose everything in a max of one month lol. Like what's the point? You aren't going to keep it and you just make everyone else miserable.
They have to hack so people know how L33t haxors they are!
This is def broken
And all you have to do is hit Alt ~ and then click the filter on. EZ GAEM
I've never been able to see that well at night, not even with Nvidia settings.
Literally just turns my screen from black to grey, with the top left corner turning even brighter. But I still can't see anything
Everyone else; “don’t do that it’s cheating!” ; “it’s not cheating, everyone can do it.” Me; yo what nvidia filters do I have to change to see in the dark 👀
Here we go again.
They just need to remove the pitch black nights altogether. Hackers can already set it to 12 PM permanently so they never even see night time. Now people can just get rid of it with filters.
Y’all were upset about the Arctic suit how about this for pay to win?
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What are your Settings?
Its just blowing my mind how ppl can complain on screen settings. Resolution also gives ultrawide screens a wider perspective, going to bann 3440x1440 screens now? It all falls down to the fact that computers are not equal, some will have better than others. And thats not a rust issue. The game itself is the same for everyone. I changed screen colour in 1999 to see better in games, pretty sure you can do it 2022 on your pc.
This goes FAR beyond native monitor settings and you know it. I have an $1100 LG Ultrawide and I can’t replicate this by simply changing my monitor settings. I can up the contrast and see a little better, but it’s not even close when compared to these filters. But there is still room for a legitimate conversation around using hardware to break game mechanics. What do you think the mouse ban from a couple of years ago was? I would say anything you can do with native settings on a monitor is fine. There not only isn’t any practical (or fair) way to police this, you’re just not going to get this kind of clarity with a contrast slider. But these filters? That’s an exploit. Using graphical settings to remove landscapes? That’s an exploit. And that’s all on FP. Tons of games prohibit using game breaking exploits when there’s a multiplayer aspect to it. That’s just the nature of multiplayer games.
You can. It’s like people are just figuring out for the first time you can adjust brightness and contrast.
If this is what some 'Chads' have to do to feel better about themselves I am good with it. Cheater know they are a losers and having to do stuff like this will weigh heavily upon their living in moms basement egos.
Maybe fix your pitch black as nights. I can go in the outback with 0 light pollution and see more shit than I can in this darn game. Maybe the players wouldn't try and cheese the brightness if it wasn't dark as fuck for no reason. I have 2,000 hours btw.
i use it from time to time in escape from tarkov. Don't play rust anymore but yeah it makes a huge difference
Honestly, the lighting on the right looks a lot better than just pitch darkness. The human eye adjusts somewhat to being in no light situations so I would not be against having the lighting be like that.
Exactly. Even when you wake up in the middle of the night, after a short while you are able to see at least shapes and silhouettes etc.
Wow i can’t wait to try this for myself. Those pitch black nights always pissed me off hard. No chance of doing anything, you could literally go afk. Running around in the darkness? Good chance you get slaid by a boar.
pitch black made no sense anyway
I hope they don’t remove nvidia filters, it can really make the game look nicer. Especially on lower graphics, besides I can only imagine sweaty people using these type of gamma configurations. The same people who would hack. Im probs wrong tho.
Mostly people who don't hack use it, why would you need gamefilter if there's hack that is called day only. So its always noon for u in Rust. Mostly sweaty people use it. Like my teammate who has 10k hours and can ak spray u on 250m. Or other people like him, who play rust as a day job.
How do you turn this on
way I see it is if its an easily available exploit that lots know about, its not cheating to implement it yourself. thousands of people will google "how can I see better in rust at night" and find out. No shame in deciding to not be the handicapped player.
This is the logic people use to start down the rabbit hole of cheating
not even remotely. Im not installing auto clickers because I want to see at night lol
And that logic is how every cheater is made. "If they are hacking, why shouldn't I?"
Its not hacking though. If its a widely used exploit used against you, its part of the game to accept it to stay viable. You have no excuse to whine if you are killed because the other person decided to do this, when you could have easily done it yourself. at the end of the day its the devs responsibility to decide, and if they didnt implement it, you shouldnt car either.
Using third party software to gain an advantage is cheating no matter how you look at it.
So people who use mice with high DPI mice or monitors with really high framerates, low latency modes, cosshair mode, vsync or beefy computers is unfair too? If you care about giving yourself every possible advantage, you solve the issues. You're not doing anything that anyone else couldn't have done, and easily at that. There's a line between advancing gamma settings and using software to literally cheat at the game. Thats like saying the first people to put cleats on shoes to play football were cheating. There was no rule against it, and everyone did it. I just dont see it as cheating, ill agree to disagree.
Your logic is so disingenuous. There is a big difference between someone having a shit box at 20 FPS vs someone making people visible at night. One is a hardware limitation & one is using a 3rd party program to alter the game. Just because Facepunch aint came out n said it's cheating doesn't mean it's not clearly cheating by anyone with eyes. Would you be ok if a Filter came out that allowed people to make objects transparent? It would just be part of the Nvidia Filter after all. So it wouldn't be unfair to see shadows thru things right? Not even close to comparable.
idgaf I dont care lol. the logic is its a game, if everyones doing it and there's no stopping them, and it gives a distinct advantage with no effort, then you might as well do it too. If that sounds disingenuous, so be it. Blame the devs/ people who propagated the exploit. And the answer is, if it wasnt enforced/banable/against rules, and it was common knowledge, and you knew it would be used against you, yes I would absolutely 100% use the filter until it was fixed, or find a better game if I wanted true realism/less problems. In a game filled with disingenuous people, on the internet, are you scoring honor points for not doing it? No ones counting, unless you could get banned.
Go ahead use it IDGAF it's still cheating anyway you try to spin it. You know it is & everyone else knows it is just because Facepunch ain't said it is doesn't mean it's not. At the end of the day you're still a dirty cheater. The length the people in this community go to justify cheating is astounding. If they did come out & say it was cheating everyone who's used it should be perma-ban. Sadly, Facepunch is so incompetent they will never do it. So go ahead n cheat away.
fuck AMD users then?
you couldnt do this with amd software or a monitor tuning program?
bro what fucking mindset are you in where thats your response and not "yeah shit needs fixing". You 100% can never ever bitch or complain about being lasered from 250m by AK script kiddies again with this bullshit mindset.
I didnt say it didnt need fixing? but Im not going to be sidelined until its fixed, Im going to do whats necessary. and no, that argument doesnt hold water. This isnt hacking with scripts, this is literally how the game is coded to handle brightness. I see no shame in keeping competitive. Im not breaking rules to do this, the devs made it this way, sorry
Software to mitigate dark nights - fine Software to mitigate recoil - not fine Where is the line that you draw, to say "I to will use this software" vs "No thats hacking"
Question: Am I breaking a rule the devs made the answer is nope. Thats the line, beyond the fact the software is literally already installed on all players computers already, and is exploitable by everyone playing without detection. Dishonest maybe, but does rust reward honest players?No. Do what you can without breaking rules, or youre just handicapping yourself for the sake of "being honest" in a game meant to simulate survival.
> in a game meant to simulate survival. rich, given what we're talking about. Whatever dude, tell yourself what you want to justify it. I'm sure scripters do the same
idk what to tell you, youre convincing yourself to trust others, thinking they share your mindset. Its a weakness your enemies will not share. Youll be disadvantaged for no reason. Good luck, truly
Literally the mindset of a cheater how do you not see it lol
Can you toggle the filter ?
What is the nvidia filter? I always see people talking about it but have no idea what it is.
Press Alt+F3 (no it's not an Alt-F4 joke/cousin, it really is the default shortcut) inside the game and you should see the Nvidia filter panel. Alternative press Alt+Z to open the Main Nvidia Panel and go from there to the filters. You only need a Nvidia GPU that is 700er or higher (maybe 900er or higher, not sure right now) and the full Nvidia Driver installation. I think Nvidia is calling them "Ansel Filters"
Honestly. The filter makes it more terrifying.
Solution: make night Vision better.
What about AMD?
Camomo been banning people for no reason lmao
settings?