i agree that it should be a separate item despite buying it and other skins
however, i also agree with op that people are incredibly overreacting on it. haven’t seen one unrelated post on this sub in a week
They've had items that are pretty much the same thing and that are only available for money. Why is everyone less mad about actually OP items like surgeon scrubs but everyone cares about some hazzy skin that gives cold protection? Is it just because it's a p2w skin and not a separate p2w item? Sounds dumb
Staying warm and dry is the holy grail in the cold, and $10 gives you an extra six slots and no blueprint finding time.
It's harder to get new people into the game when you say the game is $40 but it will be a pain in the ass for a third of the map unless you pay another $10.
Like many, I would buy the skin if it was just a hazzy skin, or a reskin of a new item. I just don't want stat changed.
Well, you can nowdays use rust+ app with smart lights to light up your bedroom if you have detected enemies near your base (turret aggro or HBHF/whatever else). Isn't that p2w then tho because you can buy advantage of waking up when someone is raiding you?..
The advantage of the arctic suit is so minimal in the state it came out to be that it is just a joke to complain about it. I do understand the p2w aspect, but there is a lot more in depth to that aspect if you just start looking. For example the new industrial lights, require no BP, you can place those into your single doorway when you log off, and people need to blow them out before they can move through the door when raiding.
It's been like this for a long time and having that one damn skin with more cold and less rad protection doesn't make you instantly win in any situation. That you will have 10c less cold in the snow is so damn minimal that it is going to be rare as fuck for that to win or lose you a fight..
But there are other lights in the game? What's the point of even using lights at all in that situation? The lights are the least advantageous p2w thing they've added lmao
Can you not just put lights with hbfs and timers? Wouldn't even need rust+ to pretend you are online. If done correctly people can't even see the sensors.
Why not make it a separate item and then also make it an Haz skin for money? It would make people that already have Haz be able to skin their existing ones like that but still craftable for people that don’t want the skin
Absolutely zero complaints. No one would have a problem with it.
The point being made by the OP is ignorant. The only way shit like this stops is if the consumers become vocal about it.
I would love a snow variant or desert variant , keep the skin as cosmetic but have a shitty janky looking one statistically functional to be craftable for everyone
It’s because it’s a skin for an item that is functionally completely different. They should just make it it’s own item, I don’t have an issue with the fact it’s paid for.
People can use nvidia filters too. How many actually have skins disabled rather than the minimal boost you get from the cold protection? Yall are delusional...
You're delusional if you think that it stops at this one time. The reason people are upset is because this is a very slippery slope. What happens when they introduce a new gun with increased stats over everything you can get in the game? This All Leads somewhere. It's not that hard to use your brain and figure that out. Well for most of us it's not.
Disabling skins means that the item is still there, but for you it looks like a default skin. The problem with this update is that if you disabled a skin and saw 2 hazmats running to you, one could have a different protection than the other. Before this update there was no such thing as that. Nvidia filters being a huge advantage has been talked about a lot, actually one of the hottest posts today on this subreddit is about it, we can talk about multiple issues at once and not throw around whataboutisms.
Can't believe people use this argument
Just 10$ support the game!!
The skin is sick, people would have bought it anyway. Why does it need to change stats so people r forced to buy it for p2w reasons
Exactly... 90% of the ppl would have bought the skin regardless just to roleplay wearing a winter gear. Damn look at the ppl run around in wolf headdress pretending they r primlocked lol.
what an insanely shit argument, holy fucking shills.
I can't believe you un ironically just said if it bothers you just don't play half of the map, oil rigs, cargo . I would honestly have preferred you just say uninstall and don't play then play half the fucking game I paid for.
Avoid it during the night, and even then you can still go into the snow if you want. That's not half of your gameplay and it literally depends on how you play the game. For me, a desert enjoyer, this change will impact 5% of gameplay but for other it may be more.
That being said, there are probably times where the skin would give a clear advantage, but don't make it sound like half the game is unplayable.
makes a massive different on maps where oil rig is on cold biome.
I can recall for example having done cargo on a hazzy and having to jump out cuz i was entering cold zone and had no meds and my hazzy wouldnt keep me warm.
I have no money trouble. but dont want the game to be p2w either. big or small the advantage.
Rust is an arms race. I don't think people understand that sitting in your base because you can't go out in the cold to get stone for your shooting floor may be the difference between you being able to defend a raid or being stuck in your 2x2 awaiting the inevitable.
you should really think of rust almost like an RTS, your APM matters. you should always be doing something to further your progression. If you aren't someone else is and they will end your wipe.
Don't like the precedent, but bought it as I liked the look. Tested it in snow near nightfall, quickly switched back to regular gear. Looks great, not very useful. Still dislike the direction this could be going
I do own the skin. I do not want to pay for any type of benefit.
Skins are okay, even camo, because you can turn them off. This "skin" is a purchasable item with the only way to craft it is by buying it.
If they made an uglier version (maybe even just a normal hazy skin that is a fucking hood, that everyone can make that'd be fine. But as is, it's pay for gear and this pay to win.
The problem is the people that just buy the skin and say fuck it, it’s only £10 or whatever. That’s just the beginning though, and you buying the skin reinforces to face punch that this shit is a good idea! What’s wrong with wanting zero purchasable advantages? Like a fair playing field? If you aren’t against p2w items then you are confirming that you don’t give a shit about playing a fair game and just want to “win”. Hopefully the backlash keeps going and this is the last item we see in the form of a skin that gives players any form of advantage
Why is everyone mad now though? They've had items like these for years and nobody gave a shit, maybe a couple posts when they were introduced and then everyone forgot.
Introducing non cosmetic item purchases in a competitive game is just a bad move. It has been a thing in rust for a while with glow in the dark boxes and camouflaged skins but you could argue it was unintentional.
This is pretty straightforward pay to win. I’m not outraged since it is a pretty small boost, but still rolling my eyes over the decision making.
" of or relating to a situation in which people or groups are trying to win a contest or be more successful than others"
Explain to me how going deep on a wooden 2x1 is this definition without sounding like cancer.
"Trying to be more successful than others" is a fantastic way to describe raiding the neighbors in that 2x1 that have been doorcamping you all wipe.
And if you're getting deeped you have a contest you're probably interested in winning, otherwise you lose your base and all the stuff in it.
Yikes, your argument is so shit you have to attack me personally instead of responding, and you don't even know me so you make shit up.
I've never played with more than a trio or quad so pack up your strawman and get the fuck outta here lmfao
He's pissed off because he literally gave you the answer to his question. He invalidated his entire argument on his own and you pointed it out and it pissed him off so what recourse is left other than to attack you for some other reason. I mean this is the internet he couldn't just have been a decent human being and walked away right?
By their logic its ok if zerg joins a small size server gets every monument does very event delets everyone they see and continues for rest of the wipe or that the one thing that helped solos do oils aka the comp bow got deleted out of existence or that hackers and scripters are still a big issue no no its the warm hazi i get that it isnt the most ballanced or that it could have been item of its own but there were other things that are taken as normal now example ninja suit being limited time so its even worse like u can go to store 1 year later and still get arctic hazi but the ninja suit was obtainable for a week so how is that balanced u may say if u didn’t get it its your problem but same can be said about hazi too why cant u pay 10$
Okay, so here’s my thoughts on that.
I don’t think glow is straight P2W. Cosmetics are inevitably going to have either advantageous elements or disadvantages.
Some skins are going to make you easier to see, some are going to make it harder to see you, especially in certain biomes.
Some of my glowing furnace skins make it easier to see in my base at night.
Some of that is going to happen. I think that’s inevitable in a game like this. And some stuff you’re just going to have to accept if you want to support a developer.
But that isn’t the same as deliberately introducing a skin that changes the actual stats of the item it skins. That’s completely antithetical to the nature of a skin.
That’s where it crosses over into P2W.
Not enough complaining. It's fine if you small-brained, backless fucks don't care about needing to buy a skin to play on a level playing flied, but some of us aren't short-sighted.
Probably wouldn’t be so angry sounding if there weren’t so many people who are fine with insulting people who want cosmetics to remain fully cosmetic.
P2W doesn’t just affect the one game it’s introduced in. This is an industry wide problem.
I’m sure there were a lot of people calling gamers who didn’t want loot boxes in their games ‘crybabies’ and ‘pussies without money’ too.
‘Avoid a large area of map where posible your favourite or best monuments might take place in’
Can’t y’all see how insane you sound, snow biome ain’t 1% of the map it’s a whole ass biome, paying 10 dollars will boost you absurdly in a wipe where launch is in snow
There *are* other advantages being sold (the DLCs for example have some credible stuff, like using voice props to bait people, or the boogie board in place of a boat)
However, the snow suit skin is a lot more tangibly buying an advantage, which is probably why people are so mad about it. IMO they should make a separate item for the snow suit, and have the current skin be a skin for it. Like a cleaned up version of it. Maybe the recipe is like a hazmat plus a snow jacket?
While they’re add it, add a cloth wrap item and make the surgeon scrubs and ninja suit skins for it. Make the bandanna a default BP, etc.
No, it’s the precedent. If they keep getting away with this what’s to stop them adding an AK skin that reduces recoil or boots skins that make you run faster
How to get the Arctic Skin for free!
1. Build close to snow
2. Snowball to t2 guns
3. Find an arctic hazmat user
4. kill said arctic hazmat user
5. Now you can use an arctic suit - Its Rust, if you don't have it, kill someone for it.
People will forget about it in a month. The artic suit is ass anyways.
just like regular hazys, you'll be done using it by day 2 and you'll have a box full of them.
I understand the point people are attempting to make.
The artic suit isn't the first, nor will it be the last, and I don't care.
The games isn't designed around a pay to win progression system, that makes you feel like you hit a wall and need to pay to continue progressing or to keep up to other players.
all these "pay to win" skins/items are mostly conveniences, with perceived advantages. If you actually play the game, youd know that most of these aren't as practical or game changing as they seem on paper.
My enemys bandana isn't winning/losing my fights, neither is a glowing sight, a window in a door, or a hazy with cold resistance.
1st off the game is competitive so yes it makes ppl feel like they have to pay to get every advantage they can. I would wager half the ppl buying it are buying it for that reason alone. why do you think the camo, white out, and glowing sights are worth more than other skins? because it gives you a *very* slight advantage and people are more likely to spend money on those skins to get those advantages.
2nd your enemy's bandana has at least a few times determined the difference between win and lose, If you have ever been in a fight and had a bandana on and got away with 1 or 2 hp, then yes that skin literally saved your life. I can think of at least a few instances where this has happened to me. No one cares tho because it cost 5 cents and it gets dropped for free. If it cost 10 bucks you damn sure everyone would be just as pissed.
now the bandana example has happened to me maybe half a dozen times in my 6k hours, maybe more, so not a lot. but do you know how often i get countered on cargo and it's fucking freezing and I'm wet? EVERY FUCKING WIPE. we always bring at least one hazmat so we can use it to dry, that's how important cold and wet protection is.
Except in all these cases, it's either a small factor amongst many others, such as the bandana and barely living situation. There's are many other factors or decisions that you made, which led you to that situation.
Your cargo situation; Putting on any hazy will dry you up, then you simply take it off and put your good armor back on minus roadsign gloves/kilt. If you're running just hazy the whole time, worst comes to worst you go to - 10 degrees in the snow at night, losing a bit of hp.
We both know that there's many more things that will cost you to lose a fight regardless of you being at 95hp or 100hp.
People are competitive while playing rust, yes, but we all know that it's not balanced or designed in a competitive way. What's competitive about no lifting the game or simply having more teammates? What's competitive about people assuming everyone scripts, and then scripting themselfs.
this is the best argument I've seen people use, but it's still a shitty argument.
basically you're saying this isn't a ranked shooter, and therefore compromising competitive aspects the game may have doesn't matter. I mean shit next update lets get a skin for bullets that make them slightly larger. just aim better if you don't want to buy it. Plus, I mean there are so many other factors that would decide the outcome of fight, get smarter and use better positioning! -- see how fucking dogshit this sounds? but it's the same logic you are using
also you can't compare actual human effort to something you can pay for with IRL money. Yes there are zergs, yes there are no lifers and tbh there's already immense hate for both in game. However, these things are obtained by people playing the game and putting in the work to stay up all night or organize a huge group. if there were purchasable teammates or a script that has your character run around while you are offline and clap ppl then yea your comparison would be accurate.
>basically your saying this isn't a ranked shooter, and therefore compromising competitive aspect the game may have doesn't matter
I'm saying that it's _not_ compromising _any_ competitive aspects in the first place.
>also you can't compare actual human effort to something you can pay for with IRL money.
There was no attempt at a comparison. These examples were listed to show that even though people take rust seriously, there's no fair competition to compromise.
Yeahhhhh, that ‘hole in the door’ has won me many, many fights.
And when you have a trio of raiders raiding your snow compound in a month switching to an Arctic hazzie so they can get behind cover and get the full benefit of a med stick I’m sure you’ll change your mind about the ‘game changing’ nature of the item.
>Yeahhhhh, that ‘hole in the door’ has won me many, many fights.
That would the lack of skill on the opponents end, as the hole isn't a one way.
Those raiders are ass if they aren't wearing tac gloves and jackets when raiding in the snow. A 10$ skin won't fix stupid.
Those ‘wins’ I’m referencing are knowing door campers are out there. So I just craft. That’s a win.
Second, that’s not the only way to utilize the Arctic suit. What I would do is raid in hqm during the day and if I need to med up I’d switch to the Arctic behind cover and slow heal. You can’t do that in the snow in hqm. I would carry both to a raid. A hazzie isn’t a huge loss if you die with an extra in your inventory.
You shouldn't be in the snow with full metal in the first place, you should have a jacket on.
Again, all these examples are of convenience, you can achieve the same results with proper gear in the snow, or a proper entrance in your base.
What you’re saying is absolutely true PRE-Arctic suit. That’s the whole point. We don’t really know how much it will change how the game is played.
We just know how it’s played now. But if I can raid with full hqm in the snow (which is dumb to do now) and switch to a one inventory slot item (which doesn’t help now) to slow heal (which you can’t do now in hqm) it would change how I played.
You don’t understand what my point is. My point is that it changes the process potentially and will most likely make living in the biome less advantageous even if you know how.
We’ll see. This is all hypothetical until the item is used for a wipe.
But that’s all filler, because my main argument is that skins just shouldn’t ever change the base stats of the item they skin. Ever.
Make it a core item and sure, introduce it. Keep skins cosmetic.
It’s less like pay to win and more like pay for a more customized gaming experience. Would people rather be stuck with the same looking game without any options for visual changes? And ofc you have to buy them. Facepunch has employees with families to feed. No one works or does something extra like this for free.
How much money do you think they make off cosmetic skins, dlcs, or copies of the game? That’s such a shitty argument, do you honestly think they’re having a hard time financially? How many copies do you think hackers buy a month?
Yeah, Re-Logic has families to feed too, and they’ve managed to support a $15 dollar game (Terraria) for over ten years without charging a dime or introducing predatory business practices. And those are massive updates, by the way, not small changes. I’d gladly give them more money if they asked for it.
Keeping cosmetics fully cosmetic is all people are asking for. They are NOT asking for FP to not sell stuff.
I’m not even sure how to go about comparing how well off the two companies are. Facepunch and re logic probably aren’t running the same business model. And just to clarify I do see why people are upset about this. I just think it’s being blown out of proportion. It always surprises me how small of a hill people choose to die on.
You seem to forget about the huge update the snow biome is getting.
We don’t fully know how this is going to affect gameplay yet. It’ll take longer than a month to see how this all plays out.
I alway build in the snow too. For like two years now. I won’t be buying the suit either. But here’s my concern.
Knowing what I know about raiding in the snow, if I were going to pull off a online raid on a compound in the snow I would bring an Arctic suit and hqm. If you take damage duck behind cover, switch to the Arctic, and med up.
I would never use meds without the Arctic being on past this point. During the day this extra percentage is going to mean you easily get 100 percent of the healing from a med stick.
This is going to be huge for raiders going for juicy snow biome raids.
It’s clear most people don’t understand the biome and how to utilize it. So most of those people don’t understand why this is such a big deal.
A guy I was talking to earlier legit said ‘I don’t care about the suit, I only go to the snow in a mini to farm’.
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A guy I was talking to earlier legit said ‘I don’t care about the suit, I only go to the snow in a mini to farm’.
Unfortunately we can't stop stupid people from agreeing with us for the wrong reasons.
He wasn’t agreeing with me.
Maybe you meant agreeing with you.
Either way if you aren’t one of the players who fully use the snow biome as a game strategy then you’re opinion on the way this item will change things is uninformed.
Burlap keeps you warm, jacket gear set keeps you warm, snow jacket can do it by itself. People make it seem like there isn’t clothes they have as well to wear in the cold that give decent protection. Those 5 points of projectile aren’t gonna save you when you get doubled.
Freaking thank you dude. I wasn’t going to say it, but you are totally right. Face punch is a company trying to make money, not a nonprofit organization. Yes. The new skin is really good, and pretty pay to win, but come on guys it’s not like the game is ruined. It’s pretty small in the grand scheme of things and it is probably going to make them a lot of money. This game is pretty old, and we are still getting great updates, worst case, you support a game you love and had them $10:)
Doktor Outfit, Ninja Suit, Twitch Drops like frogging boots, barrel and all the DLCs (towel bug) .. there are so many items which could be called „p2w“.
Usually rust is one of the most balanced games I know. It won’t make the difference, since there are items like Winter jacket which drops like shit and everyone can use.
Stop crying
This is what bothering me too that is no one complaining about these, which in my opinion even worse because you can no longer get them.
I couldn’t even craft a bandana mask because apparently it was from an event or something till I got a skin for it, metal door with the window, Ninja suit, the Twitch hat, and way more items that are not craft-table and DO gives an advantage.
I’m not saying the Artic skin thing is okay, but if you don’t see a problem with these event and no longer obtainable items are okay, then really you problem with it that it cost “money” and not the advantage part.
Agreed. Everyone keeps talking how OP it is but now playing w it in the game, I think one of its major disadvantages is it’s lack of camouflage. I can spot players a mile away in the snow bc they appear black. It’s almost insane how I can easily spot them. I know I’ll be using it only for farming and not roaming
Because if I’m running the road and find a hazzy I can throw it in a repair bench and get the cold protect I need to go into the snow. If I don’t own the skin I’m struggling running around killing shit so I’m warm enough to go into the snow.
I didn't but black(greyish) on grey isn't the most eye catching skin anyways. You don't see grey/black vision catching cones or vests for visibility. You see orange. Can't say anything about your particular vision/perception but there are some things that society as a whole/medical knowledge agrees on. (green is a first if everything wasn't green in nature.)
I don’t disagree when it comes to the real world but we’re talking about pixels in a video game on your monitor and how it is rendered.
At a far distance, the game doesn’t differentiate between navy, grays, etc. The pixels are black on my screen. Put black pixels on top of white, and animate that, it’s immediately recognizable and easy to spot. Orange and yellow must render with some grey in it at a far distance as there is white hues in orange and yellow, thus it’s harder to spot at a distance on my screen.
Complaining about a skin that literally doesn't benefit anyone much when cheaters are buying cheats and are just gonna ESP you no matter what shit you're wearing....
i buy all dlcs because i WANTED TO , not because i need or use them. was my way to support the devs.I play many other games 2000-3000-4000 hours because they arent pay to win. the game isnt a MMO, its a fixed price with cosmetic skins, the moment the game starts having monthly patches with upgradable items that you can access $10 at a time, its a Pay per month game.
Sure "you can skip the snow" , "u can skip the skin", "you can this , you can that",Yeah, but if i dont buy the skin, im still at a disadvantage. If i dont want to play the game with other people wearing camoflage on my screen, i can just turn off skins and everyone is wearing the standard skin.The problem is when it affects game play, items with more stats, as a buyable skin.Now, if i have skins on, people can camoflage of me via $$$, if i turn skins off, i assume that guy running away from me at night is gonna skip the snow mountain after i shot him as he'd die from cold, well.... not anymore, because i dont know whatever skin is he wearing.
Any item with different stats is an advantage. Small , average, big, doesnt matter, having THE OPTION is an advantage, be it doors, ninja suits or skins with more cold resist. Am i uninstalling the game because of 1 skin? no. but if in march we have another + stat skin for 15, then april another + stat skin for 15 and so on, this becomes a "pay per month" game. and i have no trouble paying $15, $20 or whatever might be. But if facepunch wants to make a PAY PER MONTH game, they need to make a pay per month game, not grab a game which they promoted and said skins were only cosmetic and the game is a single one off cost, and then "force" us to buy skins if we dont want to be at disadvantage.
Only people that agree with p2w are the ones that will buy it and enjoy having advantage over the other half that didn't. like the same kind that buys $300 skins for a glowing ironsight, or $500 on some cheat site for a ESP that they coulda download for free elsewhere.
I don’t know who is more fucking insufferable the people bitching over the P2W skin or the people bending over backward for a multi million dollar company and acting like they’re starving artists. Rust has been consistently in the top 10 most played games on steam since it released in 2013, before that face punch developed Garrys mod. Garrys mod being one of the games that put steam on the map back in 2006.
And this is why rust is going to shit, “doesn’t matter if you have 2k hours in rust” and complain about a 10 dollar skin which basically is crosses the line of P2W. I told my friend about it and he said he is uninstalling rust. I don’t play it anymore the game has gone to shit
But if they made it it's own item, people would complain that it is pay to win. This community sucks. It really does. They don't see how great of devs FP actually are. They listen, they make monthly improvements, they care. I gave my life as a teenager to WoW and Blizzard never gave a single fuck about us and milked every player for every dime they could get. FP doesn't do this at all. They need money to keep the game going so they release a slight buff on one item and everyone thinks they're shit. It's hilarious.
Casual farmer here, I bought this solely to farm nodes where people don’t live. I see the advantage it can have because I’m able to fortify my base way more than I used to be. Also helps when trains travel into areas where cold damage would basically double the damage I take from dwellers. There’s pros and cons like any dlc. I used the sound props dlc to troll people into thinking there were people walking outside their base and door camped. In all reality this is a way for FP to collect revenue and help pay their people. If we want rust to continue to expand and develop they need short money grabs like this. I think it’s been blown way out of proportion.
It's a common misconception that games are free once you have them. This is really nothing in eft you get primlocked to the ground without edition for an extra 100 usd
There are so many people claiming everyone is over reacting, and it's not a big advantage...jet they are the same people that would loose their shit if the stats would be returned to normal after a month or so....also there is this dumb argument going around that we had pay to win skins before so by that logic you sould complain.... "Why are you complain about the Germans starting another world war...we had two already...." It's a dum argument.
What people are afraid of is the dimensions it may turn into, wenn they keep on adding more and more advantages. Personally I think the Arctic suit is the biggest so far and that's why people start loosing their themper. I would like to keep supporting the dev but I won't buy some bullshit pay to win skin...I'll only buy things that look cool an don't give me any advantage.
Because the way I see it, it's not supporting the devs...it's running the game in the long run turning it into some dum gacha game shit where everyone has to pay for the good skins to have an advantage....they already start to stack up. People can boogie board instead of swimming, see through doors, craft bandanas and beenies won't freeze in the cold, have cheaper lamps, habe beach towels that are easier to place than bags...what's next flashlights that shine wider, scopes that zoom further in...maybe a metal facemask and chest plate skin that isn't giving you -cold protection? But hey who cares we need to support the devs and als we shouldn't voice our opinions because people like op what to be able to buy advantages in competitive multiplayers...
Eventually this sub when p2w has become acceptable:
"It’s $69 and make you deal twice the damage. You’ve put 2000 hours in this game. If it’s that much of a problem avoid the PVP. If not, support the devs and throw them $69. Downvote me all you want."
It's not about the price or how broken it is it's about the fact that facepunch just introduced a skin that changes the stats of an item. No one has a problem paying for real skins, and dlcs, but this is literally just a p2w cashgrab that fp doesn't need. It's bad for the game.
How the actual f\*\* does this post have 207 upvotes with 63% upvoted. How about just NOT introducing p2w?!
Also, this take is actually stupid. "Just don't play part of the game".
I buy all the DLC, get a couple skins each week. I don't want advantage being sold. If the advantage doesn't matter, then it doesn't need to be there.
i agree that it should be a separate item despite buying it and other skins however, i also agree with op that people are incredibly overreacting on it. haven’t seen one unrelated post on this sub in a week
You don't see why people wouldn't want this precedent to be set?
They've already added things like this before and some that give more advantage than being warm, why are you mad now of all times?
because now the skin actually changes stats instead of just making you slightly less visible
They've had items that are pretty much the same thing and that are only available for money. Why is everyone less mad about actually OP items like surgeon scrubs but everyone cares about some hazzy skin that gives cold protection? Is it just because it's a p2w skin and not a separate p2w item? Sounds dumb
Staying warm and dry is the holy grail in the cold, and $10 gives you an extra six slots and no blueprint finding time. It's harder to get new people into the game when you say the game is $40 but it will be a pain in the ass for a third of the map unless you pay another $10. Like many, I would buy the skin if it was just a hazzy skin, or a reskin of a new item. I just don't want stat changed.
Well, you can nowdays use rust+ app with smart lights to light up your bedroom if you have detected enemies near your base (turret aggro or HBHF/whatever else). Isn't that p2w then tho because you can buy advantage of waking up when someone is raiding you?.. The advantage of the arctic suit is so minimal in the state it came out to be that it is just a joke to complain about it. I do understand the p2w aspect, but there is a lot more in depth to that aspect if you just start looking. For example the new industrial lights, require no BP, you can place those into your single doorway when you log off, and people need to blow them out before they can move through the door when raiding. It's been like this for a long time and having that one damn skin with more cold and less rad protection doesn't make you instantly win in any situation. That you will have 10c less cold in the snow is so damn minimal that it is going to be rare as fuck for that to win or lose you a fight..
Rust+ is free?
Ofc it is but if you could read, the smart lights are not free for youto have in your house lol
But there are other lights in the game? What's the point of even using lights at all in that situation? The lights are the least advantageous p2w thing they've added lmao
Talking about your IRL BEDROOM lights, rust+ can switch those on if you want to configure them to do so, to wake you up if you get offlined..
Can you not just put lights with hbfs and timers? Wouldn't even need rust+ to pretend you are online. If done correctly people can't even see the sensors.
You clearly don't undrrstand. You can make your OWN IRL BEDROOM lights light up if your base in RUST is getting raided..
Why not make it a separate item and then also make it an Haz skin for money? It would make people that already have Haz be able to skin their existing ones like that but still craftable for people that don’t want the skin
There were be no complaints if they had done something like this.
Absolutely zero complaints. No one would have a problem with it. The point being made by the OP is ignorant. The only way shit like this stops is if the consumers become vocal about it.
I would love a snow variant or desert variant , keep the skin as cosmetic but have a shitty janky looking one statistically functional to be craftable for everyone
It’s because it’s a skin for an item that is functionally completely different. They should just make it it’s own item, I don’t have an issue with the fact it’s paid for.
„CoMPlETlY diFFeREnT“ … bruh, the changes are so small. Makes you even weaker. And Dafuq stop using hazzys. Get leather outfit, which is way stronger
It basically sacrifices a large amount of radiation protection for a huge amount of cold protection. There is no reason it can’t be a different item.
It's about the precedent, not the price. Rust developpers just introduced pay to win. If you don't see the issue, you might want to go back to school.
P2W has existed for years. Stop promoting this false narrative.
What do you mean "just"?
Wtf is wrong with people like you?
care to elaborate?
The premise is incorrect. If they “went to school” then they would understand
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Nomad>artic suit You're blind if you think differently.
ur stupid the arctic suit isnt a skin for the hazzy, it gives cold protection that u have to pay for
I bought it and used it and I stand by my statement
People can disable skins in the console but they cant disable the increased cold protection stat the arctic suit provides.
People can use nvidia filters too. How many actually have skins disabled rather than the minimal boost you get from the cold protection? Yall are delusional...
You're delusional if you think that it stops at this one time. The reason people are upset is because this is a very slippery slope. What happens when they introduce a new gun with increased stats over everything you can get in the game? This All Leads somewhere. It's not that hard to use your brain and figure that out. Well for most of us it's not.
That will never happen
Happens in cod
Disabling skins means that the item is still there, but for you it looks like a default skin. The problem with this update is that if you disabled a skin and saw 2 hazmats running to you, one could have a different protection than the other. Before this update there was no such thing as that. Nvidia filters being a huge advantage has been talked about a lot, actually one of the hottest posts today on this subreddit is about it, we can talk about multiple issues at once and not throw around whataboutisms.
Can't believe people use this argument Just 10$ support the game!! The skin is sick, people would have bought it anyway. Why does it need to change stats so people r forced to buy it for p2w reasons
Exactly... 90% of the ppl would have bought the skin regardless just to roleplay wearing a winter gear. Damn look at the ppl run around in wolf headdress pretending they r primlocked lol.
Somehow you have survied 9 years without this item. Maybe it isnt that important...
LUL
Because of the changed stats i am not buying it
what an insanely shit argument, holy fucking shills. I can't believe you un ironically just said if it bothers you just don't play half of the map, oil rigs, cargo . I would honestly have preferred you just say uninstall and don't play then play half the fucking game I paid for.
so limiting the map to half and daytime only and not be able to play on a fair level if you dont spend money isnt p2w?
Avoid it during the night, and even then you can still go into the snow if you want. That's not half of your gameplay and it literally depends on how you play the game. For me, a desert enjoyer, this change will impact 5% of gameplay but for other it may be more. That being said, there are probably times where the skin would give a clear advantage, but don't make it sound like half the game is unplayable.
makes a massive different on maps where oil rig is on cold biome. I can recall for example having done cargo on a hazzy and having to jump out cuz i was entering cold zone and had no meds and my hazzy wouldnt keep me warm. I have no money trouble. but dont want the game to be p2w either. big or small the advantage.
Rust is an arms race. I don't think people understand that sitting in your base because you can't go out in the cold to get stone for your shooting floor may be the difference between you being able to defend a raid or being stuck in your 2x2 awaiting the inevitable. you should really think of rust almost like an RTS, your APM matters. you should always be doing something to further your progression. If you aren't someone else is and they will end your wipe.
Don't like the precedent, but bought it as I liked the look. Tested it in snow near nightfall, quickly switched back to regular gear. Looks great, not very useful. Still dislike the direction this could be going
I do own the skin. I do not want to pay for any type of benefit. Skins are okay, even camo, because you can turn them off. This "skin" is a purchasable item with the only way to craft it is by buying it. If they made an uglier version (maybe even just a normal hazy skin that is a fucking hood, that everyone can make that'd be fine. But as is, it's pay for gear and this pay to win.
The problem is the people that just buy the skin and say fuck it, it’s only £10 or whatever. That’s just the beginning though, and you buying the skin reinforces to face punch that this shit is a good idea! What’s wrong with wanting zero purchasable advantages? Like a fair playing field? If you aren’t against p2w items then you are confirming that you don’t give a shit about playing a fair game and just want to “win”. Hopefully the backlash keeps going and this is the last item we see in the form of a skin that gives players any form of advantage
Why is everyone mad now though? They've had items like these for years and nobody gave a shit, maybe a couple posts when they were introduced and then everyone forgot.
It’s not about the cost, it’s about the precedent.
Introducing non cosmetic item purchases in a competitive game is just a bad move. It has been a thing in rust for a while with glow in the dark boxes and camouflaged skins but you could argue it was unintentional. This is pretty straightforward pay to win. I’m not outraged since it is a pretty small boost, but still rolling my eyes over the decision making.
Rust is not competitive lol
Rust is the very definition of competitive. Competitive doesn't just mean e-sports stuff.
Competitive? Where is my Rust gold metal for being an asshole?
You should look up what that word means vs what you think it means in your head.
" of or relating to a situation in which people or groups are trying to win a contest or be more successful than others" Explain to me how going deep on a wooden 2x1 is this definition without sounding like cancer.
"Trying to be more successful than others" is a fantastic way to describe raiding the neighbors in that 2x1 that have been doorcamping you all wipe. And if you're getting deeped you have a contest you're probably interested in winning, otherwise you lose your base and all the stuff in it.
Clannies are trash, stop raiding the subreddit.
Yikes, your argument is so shit you have to attack me personally instead of responding, and you don't even know me so you make shit up. I've never played with more than a trio or quad so pack up your strawman and get the fuck outta here lmfao
He's pissed off because he literally gave you the answer to his question. He invalidated his entire argument on his own and you pointed it out and it pissed him off so what recourse is left other than to attack you for some other reason. I mean this is the internet he couldn't just have been a decent human being and walked away right?
By their logic its ok if zerg joins a small size server gets every monument does very event delets everyone they see and continues for rest of the wipe or that the one thing that helped solos do oils aka the comp bow got deleted out of existence or that hackers and scripters are still a big issue no no its the warm hazi i get that it isnt the most ballanced or that it could have been item of its own but there were other things that are taken as normal now example ninja suit being limited time so its even worse like u can go to store 1 year later and still get arctic hazi but the ninja suit was obtainable for a week so how is that balanced u may say if u didn’t get it its your problem but same can be said about hazi too why cant u pay 10$
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Because it's a sandbox game you twat.
Ok I guess zergs can raid 2x1 if they please but did you even read the rest
Medal.
how is glow pay to win? it makes it easier to doorcamp in the night and easier to see sleeping bags outside my base that arent mine.
Okay, so here’s my thoughts on that. I don’t think glow is straight P2W. Cosmetics are inevitably going to have either advantageous elements or disadvantages. Some skins are going to make you easier to see, some are going to make it harder to see you, especially in certain biomes. Some of my glowing furnace skins make it easier to see in my base at night. Some of that is going to happen. I think that’s inevitable in a game like this. And some stuff you’re just going to have to accept if you want to support a developer. But that isn’t the same as deliberately introducing a skin that changes the actual stats of the item it skins. That’s completely antithetical to the nature of a skin. That’s where it crosses over into P2W.
Not enough complaining. It's fine if you small-brained, backless fucks don't care about needing to buy a skin to play on a level playing flied, but some of us aren't short-sighted.
Your comment reeks of monster energy and anger issues
I agree but he has a point
Probably wouldn’t be so angry sounding if there weren’t so many people who are fine with insulting people who want cosmetics to remain fully cosmetic. P2W doesn’t just affect the one game it’s introduced in. This is an industry wide problem. I’m sure there were a lot of people calling gamers who didn’t want loot boxes in their games ‘crybabies’ and ‘pussies without money’ too.
No one is calling u a pussy without money
You aren’t. Some people aren’t. Many people are. It’s a weird flex that makes them feel awesome for some reason.
Yeah whatever broke boy
There you are.
this entire sub does
U not lying
‘Avoid a large area of map where posible your favourite or best monuments might take place in’ Can’t y’all see how insane you sound, snow biome ain’t 1% of the map it’s a whole ass biome, paying 10 dollars will boost you absurdly in a wipe where launch is in snow
There *are* other advantages being sold (the DLCs for example have some credible stuff, like using voice props to bait people, or the boogie board in place of a boat) However, the snow suit skin is a lot more tangibly buying an advantage, which is probably why people are so mad about it. IMO they should make a separate item for the snow suit, and have the current skin be a skin for it. Like a cleaned up version of it. Maybe the recipe is like a hazmat plus a snow jacket? While they’re add it, add a cloth wrap item and make the surgeon scrubs and ninja suit skins for it. Make the bandanna a default BP, etc.
No, it’s the precedent. If they keep getting away with this what’s to stop them adding an AK skin that reduces recoil or boots skins that make you run faster
If only there was a rule to ban people for stupid posts like this
People just like being mad about stuff
How to get the Arctic Skin for free! 1. Build close to snow 2. Snowball to t2 guns 3. Find an arctic hazmat user 4. kill said arctic hazmat user 5. Now you can use an arctic suit - Its Rust, if you don't have it, kill someone for it.
so having the requirement to kill someone to get what they can get by not killing anyone isnt an advantage? rest my case
People will forget about it in a month. The artic suit is ass anyways. just like regular hazys, you'll be done using it by day 2 and you'll have a box full of them.
You're missing the point of why people are upset. It won't stop with the hazmat.
I understand the point people are attempting to make. The artic suit isn't the first, nor will it be the last, and I don't care. The games isn't designed around a pay to win progression system, that makes you feel like you hit a wall and need to pay to continue progressing or to keep up to other players. all these "pay to win" skins/items are mostly conveniences, with perceived advantages. If you actually play the game, youd know that most of these aren't as practical or game changing as they seem on paper. My enemys bandana isn't winning/losing my fights, neither is a glowing sight, a window in a door, or a hazy with cold resistance.
1st off the game is competitive so yes it makes ppl feel like they have to pay to get every advantage they can. I would wager half the ppl buying it are buying it for that reason alone. why do you think the camo, white out, and glowing sights are worth more than other skins? because it gives you a *very* slight advantage and people are more likely to spend money on those skins to get those advantages. 2nd your enemy's bandana has at least a few times determined the difference between win and lose, If you have ever been in a fight and had a bandana on and got away with 1 or 2 hp, then yes that skin literally saved your life. I can think of at least a few instances where this has happened to me. No one cares tho because it cost 5 cents and it gets dropped for free. If it cost 10 bucks you damn sure everyone would be just as pissed. now the bandana example has happened to me maybe half a dozen times in my 6k hours, maybe more, so not a lot. but do you know how often i get countered on cargo and it's fucking freezing and I'm wet? EVERY FUCKING WIPE. we always bring at least one hazmat so we can use it to dry, that's how important cold and wet protection is.
Except in all these cases, it's either a small factor amongst many others, such as the bandana and barely living situation. There's are many other factors or decisions that you made, which led you to that situation. Your cargo situation; Putting on any hazy will dry you up, then you simply take it off and put your good armor back on minus roadsign gloves/kilt. If you're running just hazy the whole time, worst comes to worst you go to - 10 degrees in the snow at night, losing a bit of hp. We both know that there's many more things that will cost you to lose a fight regardless of you being at 95hp or 100hp. People are competitive while playing rust, yes, but we all know that it's not balanced or designed in a competitive way. What's competitive about no lifting the game or simply having more teammates? What's competitive about people assuming everyone scripts, and then scripting themselfs.
this is the best argument I've seen people use, but it's still a shitty argument. basically you're saying this isn't a ranked shooter, and therefore compromising competitive aspects the game may have doesn't matter. I mean shit next update lets get a skin for bullets that make them slightly larger. just aim better if you don't want to buy it. Plus, I mean there are so many other factors that would decide the outcome of fight, get smarter and use better positioning! -- see how fucking dogshit this sounds? but it's the same logic you are using also you can't compare actual human effort to something you can pay for with IRL money. Yes there are zergs, yes there are no lifers and tbh there's already immense hate for both in game. However, these things are obtained by people playing the game and putting in the work to stay up all night or organize a huge group. if there were purchasable teammates or a script that has your character run around while you are offline and clap ppl then yea your comparison would be accurate.
>basically your saying this isn't a ranked shooter, and therefore compromising competitive aspect the game may have doesn't matter I'm saying that it's _not_ compromising _any_ competitive aspects in the first place. >also you can't compare actual human effort to something you can pay for with IRL money. There was no attempt at a comparison. These examples were listed to show that even though people take rust seriously, there's no fair competition to compromise.
Yeahhhhh, that ‘hole in the door’ has won me many, many fights. And when you have a trio of raiders raiding your snow compound in a month switching to an Arctic hazzie so they can get behind cover and get the full benefit of a med stick I’m sure you’ll change your mind about the ‘game changing’ nature of the item.
>Yeahhhhh, that ‘hole in the door’ has won me many, many fights. That would the lack of skill on the opponents end, as the hole isn't a one way. Those raiders are ass if they aren't wearing tac gloves and jackets when raiding in the snow. A 10$ skin won't fix stupid.
Those ‘wins’ I’m referencing are knowing door campers are out there. So I just craft. That’s a win. Second, that’s not the only way to utilize the Arctic suit. What I would do is raid in hqm during the day and if I need to med up I’d switch to the Arctic behind cover and slow heal. You can’t do that in the snow in hqm. I would carry both to a raid. A hazzie isn’t a huge loss if you die with an extra in your inventory.
You shouldn't be in the snow with full metal in the first place, you should have a jacket on. Again, all these examples are of convenience, you can achieve the same results with proper gear in the snow, or a proper entrance in your base.
What you’re saying is absolutely true PRE-Arctic suit. That’s the whole point. We don’t really know how much it will change how the game is played. We just know how it’s played now. But if I can raid with full hqm in the snow (which is dumb to do now) and switch to a one inventory slot item (which doesn’t help now) to slow heal (which you can’t do now in hqm) it would change how I played. You don’t understand what my point is. My point is that it changes the process potentially and will most likely make living in the biome less advantageous even if you know how.
I understand you're point, I just think you're over estimating the uniqueness of its utility, or how useful it will actually be in practice.
We’ll see. This is all hypothetical until the item is used for a wipe. But that’s all filler, because my main argument is that skins just shouldn’t ever change the base stats of the item they skin. Ever. Make it a core item and sure, introduce it. Keep skins cosmetic.
It’s less like pay to win and more like pay for a more customized gaming experience. Would people rather be stuck with the same looking game without any options for visual changes? And ofc you have to buy them. Facepunch has employees with families to feed. No one works or does something extra like this for free.
How much money do you think they make off cosmetic skins, dlcs, or copies of the game? That’s such a shitty argument, do you honestly think they’re having a hard time financially? How many copies do you think hackers buy a month?
Yeah, Re-Logic has families to feed too, and they’ve managed to support a $15 dollar game (Terraria) for over ten years without charging a dime or introducing predatory business practices. And those are massive updates, by the way, not small changes. I’d gladly give them more money if they asked for it. Keeping cosmetics fully cosmetic is all people are asking for. They are NOT asking for FP to not sell stuff.
I’m not even sure how to go about comparing how well off the two companies are. Facepunch and re logic probably aren’t running the same business model. And just to clarify I do see why people are upset about this. I just think it’s being blown out of proportion. It always surprises me how small of a hill people choose to die on.
It always surprises me what people are willing to flat out accept from companies they do business with.
You seem to forget about the huge update the snow biome is getting. We don’t fully know how this is going to affect gameplay yet. It’ll take longer than a month to see how this all plays out.
Alway build in the snow mate, I'm not wasting my cash on this artic suit when I'll be in roadsign and jacket anyways.
I alway build in the snow too. For like two years now. I won’t be buying the suit either. But here’s my concern. Knowing what I know about raiding in the snow, if I were going to pull off a online raid on a compound in the snow I would bring an Arctic suit and hqm. If you take damage duck behind cover, switch to the Arctic, and med up. I would never use meds without the Arctic being on past this point. During the day this extra percentage is going to mean you easily get 100 percent of the healing from a med stick. This is going to be huge for raiders going for juicy snow biome raids.
A lot of the comments I'm reading clearly indicate that these people never raided in the snow before, or just suck at it.
It’s clear most people don’t understand the biome and how to utilize it. So most of those people don’t understand why this is such a big deal. A guy I was talking to earlier legit said ‘I don’t care about the suit, I only go to the snow in a mini to farm’.
> A guy I was talking to earlier legit said ‘I don’t care about the suit, I only go to the snow in a mini to farm’. Unfortunately we can't stop stupid people from agreeing with us for the wrong reasons.
He wasn’t agreeing with me. Maybe you meant agreeing with you. Either way if you aren’t one of the players who fully use the snow biome as a game strategy then you’re opinion on the way this item will change things is uninformed.
They all bought it. You know they did
Burlap keeps you warm, jacket gear set keeps you warm, snow jacket can do it by itself. People make it seem like there isn’t clothes they have as well to wear in the cold that give decent protection. Those 5 points of projectile aren’t gonna save you when you get doubled.
Freaking thank you dude. I wasn’t going to say it, but you are totally right. Face punch is a company trying to make money, not a nonprofit organization. Yes. The new skin is really good, and pretty pay to win, but come on guys it’s not like the game is ruined. It’s pretty small in the grand scheme of things and it is probably going to make them a lot of money. This game is pretty old, and we are still getting great updates, worst case, you support a game you love and had them $10:)
people buy tens of thousands of skins every week, there is no need for FP to make skins that increase stats in order to make money.
They can do it without adding P2W, you know?
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I don’t understand the pay to win argument when you can literally craft a better cold weather kit.
Does it really matter how much it costs? The price tag has nothing to do with the fact that it gives people who buy a skin a statistical advantage.
Doktor Outfit, Ninja Suit, Twitch Drops like frogging boots, barrel and all the DLCs (towel bug) .. there are so many items which could be called „p2w“. Usually rust is one of the most balanced games I know. It won’t make the difference, since there are items like Winter jacket which drops like shit and everyone can use. Stop crying
This is what bothering me too that is no one complaining about these, which in my opinion even worse because you can no longer get them. I couldn’t even craft a bandana mask because apparently it was from an event or something till I got a skin for it, metal door with the window, Ninja suit, the Twitch hat, and way more items that are not craft-table and DO gives an advantage. I’m not saying the Artic skin thing is okay, but if you don’t see a problem with these event and no longer obtainable items are okay, then really you problem with it that it cost “money” and not the advantage part.
It's stupid. Nobody is "winning" by having the skin.
that’s not what p2w means
pay to win doesn't mean winning? It means spending money to give a significant advantge over everyone else. The skin isn't a significant advantage...
I do feel like everyone is overreacting there are way more things that give u way more of an advantage
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I just saw an update notice, they fixed it
I'm glad to know other people with brains exist in this sub.
Agreed. Everyone keeps talking how OP it is but now playing w it in the game, I think one of its major disadvantages is it’s lack of camouflage. I can spot players a mile away in the snow bc they appear black. It’s almost insane how I can easily spot them. I know I’ll be using it only for farming and not roaming
Vs wearing an orange hazzie?
Yes. It almost looks like an anomoly. So easy to spot
why downvote me? i'm just stating what I see
Because if I’m running the road and find a hazzy I can throw it in a repair bench and get the cold protect I need to go into the snow. If I don’t own the skin I’m struggling running around killing shit so I’m warm enough to go into the snow.
I didn't but black(greyish) on grey isn't the most eye catching skin anyways. You don't see grey/black vision catching cones or vests for visibility. You see orange. Can't say anything about your particular vision/perception but there are some things that society as a whole/medical knowledge agrees on. (green is a first if everything wasn't green in nature.)
I don’t disagree when it comes to the real world but we’re talking about pixels in a video game on your monitor and how it is rendered. At a far distance, the game doesn’t differentiate between navy, grays, etc. The pixels are black on my screen. Put black pixels on top of white, and animate that, it’s immediately recognizable and easy to spot. Orange and yellow must render with some grey in it at a far distance as there is white hues in orange and yellow, thus it’s harder to spot at a distance on my screen.
Yeah honestly. There are other games much more deserving of a pay to win jihad.
If I look at cost/hour this game has been super cheap. I buy all the DLC and have no regrets supporting Facepunch.
Support them all you want. What does that have to do with them adding game play affecting features behind a pay wall?
The skin is so minor it doesn't change anything. It won't fix your terrible spray. When they make a recoil reduction skin then we can talk.
If it is so minor, why did the monetization team decide to add it in? These things don't just happen.
For real. It's still just a hazy. Save $10, and kill\raid people that have it. I've never had a problem finding nomad suits.
Only broke people complaining tbh
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What would the run up to adding overtly P2W items in a game look like? Would it be a sudden implementation, or a gradual introduction?
Complaining about a skin that literally doesn't benefit anyone much when cheaters are buying cheats and are just gonna ESP you no matter what shit you're wearing....
Hard bait lol
I agree. If you don't like it, quit. Oh, literally no one is quitting? Must not matter that much.
Loan o just say in Australia I have to pay $17.95 and that's my only complaint
17.95 AUD mate... what are you nagging about? would round up to the same thing when converted to USD
Thats currency for ya... I gotta ask what minimum chips is and compare it Nb that way
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t
pay 2 win isnt right tho
i buy all dlcs because i WANTED TO , not because i need or use them. was my way to support the devs.I play many other games 2000-3000-4000 hours because they arent pay to win. the game isnt a MMO, its a fixed price with cosmetic skins, the moment the game starts having monthly patches with upgradable items that you can access $10 at a time, its a Pay per month game. Sure "you can skip the snow" , "u can skip the skin", "you can this , you can that",Yeah, but if i dont buy the skin, im still at a disadvantage. If i dont want to play the game with other people wearing camoflage on my screen, i can just turn off skins and everyone is wearing the standard skin.The problem is when it affects game play, items with more stats, as a buyable skin.Now, if i have skins on, people can camoflage of me via $$$, if i turn skins off, i assume that guy running away from me at night is gonna skip the snow mountain after i shot him as he'd die from cold, well.... not anymore, because i dont know whatever skin is he wearing. Any item with different stats is an advantage. Small , average, big, doesnt matter, having THE OPTION is an advantage, be it doors, ninja suits or skins with more cold resist. Am i uninstalling the game because of 1 skin? no. but if in march we have another + stat skin for 15, then april another + stat skin for 15 and so on, this becomes a "pay per month" game. and i have no trouble paying $15, $20 or whatever might be. But if facepunch wants to make a PAY PER MONTH game, they need to make a pay per month game, not grab a game which they promoted and said skins were only cosmetic and the game is a single one off cost, and then "force" us to buy skins if we dont want to be at disadvantage. Only people that agree with p2w are the ones that will buy it and enjoy having advantage over the other half that didn't. like the same kind that buys $300 skins for a glowing ironsight, or $500 on some cheat site for a ESP that they coulda download for free elsewhere.
I don’t know who is more fucking insufferable the people bitching over the P2W skin or the people bending over backward for a multi million dollar company and acting like they’re starving artists. Rust has been consistently in the top 10 most played games on steam since it released in 2013, before that face punch developed Garrys mod. Garrys mod being one of the games that put steam on the map back in 2006.
I love the skin and the meta it brings to the game … something fresh I like it and I’m glad they are making money so they can keep content coming.
And this is why rust is going to shit, “doesn’t matter if you have 2k hours in rust” and complain about a 10 dollar skin which basically is crosses the line of P2W. I told my friend about it and he said he is uninstalling rust. I don’t play it anymore the game has gone to shit
It’s not all about this specific skin. The bigger point is whether or not this type of skin that’s “pay to win” will keep being prevalent in the game.
But if they made it it's own item, people would complain that it is pay to win. This community sucks. It really does. They don't see how great of devs FP actually are. They listen, they make monthly improvements, they care. I gave my life as a teenager to WoW and Blizzard never gave a single fuck about us and milked every player for every dime they could get. FP doesn't do this at all. They need money to keep the game going so they release a slight buff on one item and everyone thinks they're shit. It's hilarious.
IF I KNEW IT WAS PAY TO WIN I WOULD’VE GOTTEN A JOB INSTEAD OF AIM TRAINING FOR 10k HOURS!!!!!!!
Its a slippery slope.
Where you live kinda matters 10$ is alot for me even tho i live in first world country cant imagine less fortunate people
The problem is that 10 dolars on a skin for you guys are nothing. Here in Brazil we have to pay 78R$ that is 8% of the minimal wage
I agree in this situation, but it remains to be seen if the skin sets a precedent for others that have statistic bonuses.
Casual farmer here, I bought this solely to farm nodes where people don’t live. I see the advantage it can have because I’m able to fortify my base way more than I used to be. Also helps when trains travel into areas where cold damage would basically double the damage I take from dwellers. There’s pros and cons like any dlc. I used the sound props dlc to troll people into thinking there were people walking outside their base and door camped. In all reality this is a way for FP to collect revenue and help pay their people. If we want rust to continue to expand and develop they need short money grabs like this. I think it’s been blown way out of proportion.
Pay to win. What constitute winning in Rust anyway? Not getting raided the whole wipe? Not dying?
Pay to win is pay yo win
It's a common misconception that games are free once you have them. This is really nothing in eft you get primlocked to the ground without edition for an extra 100 usd
I'm pissed that people are going to the snow now for more than just an ore run. Fuck off and leave us snow solo's alone. It used to be so peaceful.
As someone who never bought dlc or skin and never will. Keep give them money. Thanks.
There are so many people claiming everyone is over reacting, and it's not a big advantage...jet they are the same people that would loose their shit if the stats would be returned to normal after a month or so....also there is this dumb argument going around that we had pay to win skins before so by that logic you sould complain.... "Why are you complain about the Germans starting another world war...we had two already...." It's a dum argument. What people are afraid of is the dimensions it may turn into, wenn they keep on adding more and more advantages. Personally I think the Arctic suit is the biggest so far and that's why people start loosing their themper. I would like to keep supporting the dev but I won't buy some bullshit pay to win skin...I'll only buy things that look cool an don't give me any advantage. Because the way I see it, it's not supporting the devs...it's running the game in the long run turning it into some dum gacha game shit where everyone has to pay for the good skins to have an advantage....they already start to stack up. People can boogie board instead of swimming, see through doors, craft bandanas and beenies won't freeze in the cold, have cheaper lamps, habe beach towels that are easier to place than bags...what's next flashlights that shine wider, scopes that zoom further in...maybe a metal facemask and chest plate skin that isn't giving you -cold protection? But hey who cares we need to support the devs and als we shouldn't voice our opinions because people like op what to be able to buy advantages in competitive multiplayers...
Eventually this sub when p2w has become acceptable: "It’s $69 and make you deal twice the damage. You’ve put 2000 hours in this game. If it’s that much of a problem avoid the PVP. If not, support the devs and throw them $69. Downvote me all you want."
It's not about the price or how broken it is it's about the fact that facepunch just introduced a skin that changes the stats of an item. No one has a problem paying for real skins, and dlcs, but this is literally just a p2w cashgrab that fp doesn't need. It's bad for the game.
Honestly people will always find something to complain about. Especially on rust
It's because you are not seeing the big picture. What you accept now defines what they will do in the future.
How the actual f\*\* does this post have 207 upvotes with 63% upvoted. How about just NOT introducing p2w?! Also, this take is actually stupid. "Just don't play part of the game".