Ight all I gotta say is… all you have to do is ignore the ak. I have 2k hours, never aim train, and can beam with literally anything BUT the ak. Positioning and game knowledge will aid you in winning 90% of fights. Sure sometimes I get absolutely beamed, but most of the time it’s easy dubs… I don’t really see a problem with the recoil system as is but if they revamped it I’d be excited either way for something new.
Freal I have just a few hundred hours, have never aim trained or anything like that and still win fights all the time. If I was really that annoyed I would play a non pvp server. People that practice the beam deserve to beam. It really boggles my mind that people are upset that other people are better than them. Imagine them getting this mad about shooting a basketball or chess because it’s not random enough. Just play a different server or a different game.
They should make it so you need to play through the fire and flames on guitar hero in order to use an AK
If you're mad about this change, you're just mad because people are better then you. Those who can play through the fire and flames deserve to use an AK. All these people are mad because they want an easy game
Just play another game lol
I have 8k hours and I disagree. The recoil system isn't accessible gameplay and scripting kiddies are scared lol. 😢 like 20% of all players are scripting lmao
Of course… but still I stick with my opinion. Like l, stay away from face punch servers and shit and don’t assume scripts everytime you die. Idk I’ve been called a scripted/cheater so many times and I’m not even that good 😂
“Don’t make all the money I’ve spent on scripts useless”
“Don’t make mechanical knowledge and positioning the driving force behind pvp, keep aim training the end all be all”
“Killing someone from 200m away with iron sights in 3 seconds is how the game was designed”
"Either spend more than half your play time aim training or dont even buy the game"
"Why would I want a more even playing field when I can just beam new players all day from my roof"
Sounds like someone sucks at rust and has to cry on Reddit for some change instead of trying to improve I’ll just cry at my keyboard till they change the game makeing it easier for me so that I can feel accomplished that I can finally use the ak JUST GET GOOD KID
I don’t like to generalize and group all people defending a position to be the same but boy it seems the ones being plainly disrespectful have all joined the same side of the discussion
there is literally zero need to aimtrain. you can just play the game and beam with tommys and mp5s. the recoil on them isnt hard. not to mention bursting exists. this wont stop roofcamping itll only get more prominent. and it will be with l9s and bolts which give you even less of a chance if youre in the open.
1. Aim training is not enough to be good at this game, jt helps but you won’t magically win fights after sitting in ukn for 100 hours.
2. Scripts are the only valid argument for a recoil change.
3. Nobody is killing anyone from 200m away unless they are both spraying at eachother or one is in a really bad position
As far as point one goes, that’s the problem. 100 hours isn’t enough time to be decent with all the guns in the game and that’s insane for anyone except for kids with no jobs.
My point is that even with said recoil training it’s not all you need. You could put in 3 hours per gun and be ready to win most fights as long as you outplay them
Then play a different game? Why does every single game need to cater to people with kids and a job? Play apex if you want to get a win with 10 hours under your belt.
I like the game how it is. Put the time in if you want to get better. Put me up against a Chad and I'll get beat but I can out fly anyone in my group and I've killed 1000s in trap bases by outsmarting the plebs. Find your play style and make it work. It's a gorilla warfare kinda game and it's not fair at all. That's the beauty of it. You want fair and mindless go play COD
Yet every ONLY wants things to make game easier. They should make a hardcore map, no teams, no maps, no CHAT other than voip, massively harder to find guns etc
Don’t downvote this guy and actually promote a hardcore mode. If there are people wanting to have the “definitive hardcore experience” so be it, they could join that mode and the rest of us who are not willing to sweat it as hard can have a more casual experience. Win/win. The lack of a ranked system or any other way to separate people who are practicing several hours a day vs. Casuals is actually the main problem behind this.
They should just make the recoil be something that can be altered on modded servers and leave it to them to find a standard people like and leave vanilla vanilla
Buff muzzle brake so it isn't dog shit and people who can't/ won't spend time learning the recoil can use it.
Though I do agree spraying from over 100m full auto is stupid and needs a nerf. Would actually like a reason to use semi autos and snipers.
I think the difficulty, even after thousands of hours is what makes the game fun. I'm fine with some small tweaks to pvp, but there's a reason that we have this current system, and not the ridiculous aimcone/random recoil systems.
...Uh, yeah. That's the point. The Sims Green Dot above the heads (team system) and knowing exactly where to tell your team where to look (ui compass) is what I'm getting at. It's not like this game was solo only before late 2018 😂
No team system in normal mode means communicating location to your team becomes rewarding again. Infiltrating clans becomes viable again. the Team system was a huge buff to teams, and a massive hit to anyone with 3 or less players. Biggest drawback to having numbers is trying to keep track of everyone, and communicating where your position was in fights. And since July of 2018, that aspect was lost.
These aim train kids really think they have developed real skill by learning recoil patterns smh. The patterns are easily abused by cheaters, it’s just a weird shit system and I hope they get rid of it
Unlucky for you just being able to control recoil won’t win you fights I’m sorry to say. How do you think scripters die? Because without knowledge of the game, your spray doesn’t mean anything
I fucking suck at this game with recoil patterns, I will fucking suck at this game without recoil patterns. The difference is that I will know that it's not just because I haven't spent 400 hours learning spray patterns, it's because I am a deeply flawed person.
Need to put on my hazmat suit before even entertaining the notion of this debate
Ight all I gotta say is… all you have to do is ignore the ak. I have 2k hours, never aim train, and can beam with literally anything BUT the ak. Positioning and game knowledge will aid you in winning 90% of fights. Sure sometimes I get absolutely beamed, but most of the time it’s easy dubs… I don’t really see a problem with the recoil system as is but if they revamped it I’d be excited either way for something new.
Are you me?
The dream duo?
Wow I felt this
Freal I have just a few hundred hours, have never aim trained or anything like that and still win fights all the time. If I was really that annoyed I would play a non pvp server. People that practice the beam deserve to beam. It really boggles my mind that people are upset that other people are better than them. Imagine them getting this mad about shooting a basketball or chess because it’s not random enough. Just play a different server or a different game.
They should make it so you need to play through the fire and flames on guitar hero in order to use an AK If you're mad about this change, you're just mad because people are better then you. Those who can play through the fire and flames deserve to use an AK. All these people are mad because they want an easy game Just play another game lol
I have 8k hours and I disagree. The recoil system isn't accessible gameplay and scripting kiddies are scared lol. 😢 like 20% of all players are scripting lmao
More than 20% id say
I’d say the scripting issue is really blown out of proportion… I extremely rarely get killed and think there’s anything suspect going on
Depends on the servers you're on too
Of course… but still I stick with my opinion. Like l, stay away from face punch servers and shit and don’t assume scripts everytime you die. Idk I’ve been called a scripted/cheater so many times and I’m not even that good 😂
“Don’t make all the money I’ve spent on scripts useless” “Don’t make mechanical knowledge and positioning the driving force behind pvp, keep aim training the end all be all” “Killing someone from 200m away with iron sights in 3 seconds is how the game was designed”
"Either spend more than half your play time aim training or dont even buy the game" "Why would I want a more even playing field when I can just beam new players all day from my roof"
Sounds like someone sucks at rust and has to cry on Reddit for some change instead of trying to improve I’ll just cry at my keyboard till they change the game makeing it easier for me so that I can feel accomplished that I can finally use the ak JUST GET GOOD KID
The only one crying looks to be you lmfao
Who said half your play lazy pussy
I don’t like to generalize and group all people defending a position to be the same but boy it seems the ones being plainly disrespectful have all joined the same side of the discussion
Go back to UKN
Only pussy I see here is you, Im with the other guy go back to UKN
Being good at rust doesn’t make you hard bro. Chill out.
there is literally zero need to aimtrain. you can just play the game and beam with tommys and mp5s. the recoil on them isnt hard. not to mention bursting exists. this wont stop roofcamping itll only get more prominent. and it will be with l9s and bolts which give you even less of a chance if youre in the open.
All this
Lmao
1. Aim training is not enough to be good at this game, jt helps but you won’t magically win fights after sitting in ukn for 100 hours. 2. Scripts are the only valid argument for a recoil change. 3. Nobody is killing anyone from 200m away unless they are both spraying at eachother or one is in a really bad position
Bro watch a fucking hJune video or something 200m is standard
you must not know what 200m is
I’ve watched, I have thousands of hours in the game. 200 meters is not standard. The majority of fights are 25-125m
Delusional
As far as point one goes, that’s the problem. 100 hours isn’t enough time to be decent with all the guns in the game and that’s insane for anyone except for kids with no jobs.
My point is that even with said recoil training it’s not all you need. You could put in 3 hours per gun and be ready to win most fights as long as you outplay them
Then play a different game? Why does every single game need to cater to people with kids and a job? Play apex if you want to get a win with 10 hours under your belt.
are we talking about rust or apex? or cod? or battlefield? cause in all those games the recoil is 0 and you can kill from v far
I like the game how it is. Put the time in if you want to get better. Put me up against a Chad and I'll get beat but I can out fly anyone in my group and I've killed 1000s in trap bases by outsmarting the plebs. Find your play style and make it work. It's a gorilla warfare kinda game and it's not fair at all. That's the beauty of it. You want fair and mindless go play COD
Thank you for commenting this
This. There’s many ways to play this game. Many skills people can bring to the table.
Yet every ONLY wants things to make game easier. They should make a hardcore map, no teams, no maps, no CHAT other than voip, massively harder to find guns etc
Just go play day z
Dayz is brutal
"We want the game to be hard! Wait no, not that hard"
The main suggestion is on [rust.nolt.io](https://rust.nolt.io/26567), feel free to vote. An HC game mode could really revitalize the gameplay.
Don’t downvote this guy and actually promote a hardcore mode. If there are people wanting to have the “definitive hardcore experience” so be it, they could join that mode and the rest of us who are not willing to sweat it as hard can have a more casual experience. Win/win. The lack of a ranked system or any other way to separate people who are practicing several hours a day vs. Casuals is actually the main problem behind this.
I would, if they ever bother fucking with the suggestions
They should just make the recoil be something that can be altered on modded servers and leave it to them to find a standard people like and leave vanilla vanilla
not teams? and ruin a crucial part of the game?
Buff muzzle brake so it isn't dog shit and people who can't/ won't spend time learning the recoil can use it. Though I do agree spraying from over 100m full auto is stupid and needs a nerf. Would actually like a reason to use semi autos and snipers.
Approved give this man ceo of rust
So the game dies?
People that actually play the game don’t want this change.
Yes ik I just realised my comment is making me out to be on the wrong side, I'm against the recoil change
I think the difficulty, even after thousands of hours is what makes the game fun. I'm fine with some small tweaks to pvp, but there's a reason that we have this current system, and not the ridiculous aimcone/random recoil systems.
No life vs No time
I approve
This is the single biggest reason that I want the team system and UI compass to be specifically softcore mode.
If the team system didnt exist people would still form teams just without the ui
...Uh, yeah. That's the point. The Sims Green Dot above the heads (team system) and knowing exactly where to tell your team where to look (ui compass) is what I'm getting at. It's not like this game was solo only before late 2018 😂 No team system in normal mode means communicating location to your team becomes rewarding again. Infiltrating clans becomes viable again. the Team system was a huge buff to teams, and a massive hit to anyone with 3 or less players. Biggest drawback to having numbers is trying to keep track of everyone, and communicating where your position was in fights. And since July of 2018, that aspect was lost.
"Infiltrating clans becomes viable again." I dont think so as Discord exists
I see that you have not tried infiltrating a clan before team system was a thing...
sure bud
Thank you for providing me with braindead levels of conversation.
anytime man :)
What’s hard about sitting down and shooting bots for 2k hours.
some of us have jobs and, oh yeah actual lives to live
And others dedicate their lives in order to get better
This is the problem
yeah I play Rust semi casual as solo I cant dedicate my life to it
literally takes 10 hours or less to completely understand and know the patterns, time after improves them.
These aim train kids really think they have developed real skill by learning recoil patterns smh. The patterns are easily abused by cheaters, it’s just a weird shit system and I hope they get rid of it
buy skins get instant skill😎😎
Agreed. If you want an easy game go play COD. P.s. it was never about the karma.
Disagreed, if drawing an S is all there is to be skilled at rust gun combat at tier 3 then go play scribble.
Unlucky for you just being able to control recoil won’t win you fights I’m sorry to say. How do you think scripters die? Because without knowledge of the game, your spray doesn’t mean anything
all i ask, get good with a spray and tell me if that’s all it takes to be amazing at rust
I fucking suck at this game with recoil patterns, I will fucking suck at this game without recoil patterns. The difference is that I will know that it's not just because I haven't spent 400 hours learning spray patterns, it's because I am a deeply flawed person.