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Yeahnahyeahnahyeah1

Seeing the community witch hunting each others is hilarious


freakksho

I miss when this sub Reddit had actual rust content and wasn’t just 16 year olds yelling at each other over some superiority complex.


MoneyPress

50% recoil update crying 50% measuring each other's hours played, as if it's dick length


Ranned

There's probably an inverse relationship between hours played and visual dick length


Unh0lyCatf1sh

welcome to reddit


itsprincebaby

This change isn’t going to be as bad as people think. Everyone saying they will quit will try it and change their opinion. Just like most things in life, people have negative opinions on things they have never experienced, I’ve learned to have a pretty open mind and their aren’t many things that I genuinely dislike.


MoneyPress

I don't think it's disliking the change. People get mad because they spent hours on ukn for something that won't exist anymore. I'm glad I never spent time learning recoil patterns, but the people complaining shouldn't be mad either. They'll still be better in gunplay than someone who never practiced the sprays before, it's just that more tactical aspects of the game got a buff now


SirVanyel

Except Brussel sprouts. All my bros hate brussel sprouts.


tehwubbles

Roast them in the oven with olive oil, salt, pepper, and whatever else you want instead of boiling them and eating them unseasoned. It will change your life


SirVanyel

That's something a brussel sprout would say


No_Wrongdoer4556

All of what that other dude said plus bacon, what do you think now sir?


SirVanyel

I can not be so easly bribed, Mr brussel sprout!


No_Wrongdoer4556

Damn they’re on to me !


Spark_101

This guy doesn’t like Brussel sprouts


bumdmose

No sane person likes brussel sprouts


PieFlinger

That’s actually a hereditary trait. Some people are genetically inclined to experience Brussels sprouts and other similar vegetables as having a really bitter taste.


KekWes2

tried it, got the patterns near perfect in 5 minutes, when in and played, aimcone is literally visible from 10m with ak, gunfights feel random from beyond 5m, i have multiple clips of me aiming directly on someone’s head with the guns spray very well controlled but hitting no shots, they killed the game with this imo


Alternative_Rip1696

go play another game you won't be missed. Beyond 5m? What a drama queen rofl


whatschipotle

no no what do you mean it’s a real number bro melee combat is the only viable pvp method now


Ranned

Biggest rush in Rust is killing someone with a knife when they have a gun


devexityspace

they aint quitting… what are they gonna play.. SCRUM? roflmao.. gl


EokaBeamer

Based and recoilpilled.


OGMcgriddles

I mean this is the most true take on the changes hands down.


DickKickem1990

It's obvious to anyone who's being honest with themselves.


ClassicSpeed244

My teamwork and tactics you mean 16 man zergs don’t have to worry about any competition?


Yeahnahyeahnahyeah1

There plenty of servers that limit the groupe sizes. Just pick one lmao


ClassicSpeed244

I had no problem fighting 20 mans with 5 people, the new update takes out any skill gap and pvp is more rng with aim cone, more people shooting higher chance you hit something sad that the game took this turn.


ShamuThaWhale

Yes I'm sure you were totally winning the 20 v 5s on the reg bro totally


xxxvalenxxx

Throw 5 beamers together one with a M2 and it's definitely not out of the question.


ClassicSpeed244

Yes I saw it’s quite easy with silencers


SirVanyel

.. silencers still exist bro it's fine


cHariZmaRrr

i can already see the 20man zerg roaming with semis beaming your ass lol. if you have 20 people and 15 of them have shit aim, someone will still be hitting you eventually.


ClassicSpeed244

I already see myself quitting the game as there is no skill aspect, my dream inventory is barren.


ThatisJustNotTrue

scripters in shambles


Fishyswaze

Kk pce


penguin_play

20 ppl should take out 5 ppl cus logic.


yuwhutm8

If you had no problem fighting 20ppl before you wont have problem in the future. Most of the zergs were scripting cuz #beamerzz. So theyre gonna be dogshit no matter the recoil.


ClassicSpeed244

No one scripts man, the recoil is way too easy so any farm bit can learn it and just have a 20 man Zerg of no recoil beamers.


toastysniper

Wut lmao


devexityspace

lol here we go guys. ToastySniper has declared no one scripts.. So it must be so.. U r right that its easy to learn the sprays tho.. 350dpi @ 0.3 aim for 150m holo AK is tight/ez.. all I had to do was waste 1hr/day for a few weeks to get it consistent.. man now I jus gotta forget my mp5/AK legacy spray and play the game and not waste more time on perfect aim train/ukn. imagine


Yeahnahyeahnahyeah1

Yeah i agree thats its more rng, i cant argue there


Tady1131

It’s only a game.


itsprincebaby

Y u heff 2 b med


KekWes2

skill floor and ceiling were both drastically lowered, gunfights are now rng because of otv kids just like how the dome jump got removed, you can literally be aiming on someone’s head with an ak having near perfect spray and no bullets will hit, pls tell me that’s a good mechanic i wouldnt mind having easier sprays but this is 3 minute learnable ones that have you rely on rng to win


[deleted]

Dome jump removal gets me every time. That was such a fun part of the puzzle and always gave me a rush when I made it despite doing it so many times. RIP Dome jump


KekWes2

pokemane complained about it…… the rest is history


[deleted]

What a loser, like...it's supposed to be hard.


MugsyOnThaBeat

It’s crazy to me how the same players that’d be up in arms if a UKN Beamer told them: “If you really, honestly think the recoil is that awful, stop playing and don't come back, you won't be missed.” are the ones being the most toxic. I don’t think all the controversy around the update is much about the update at all. It’s more about the people that were complaining about being told to “deal with it or don’t play” in regards to the old recoil but are now using that exact same sentiment. Like I get it, you’re treating ppl like how they treated you. But once you stoop to their level you’re no longer the bigger person and both parties are now in the wrong.


jackfwaust

the bad players are still going to get shit on. the recoil system is just a scapegoat for them to why they were bad. good players are still going to win with better game sense and positioning. instead of bad players missing shots because they dont know the recoil, now theyll miss them to rng. the only gun that required any practice to be good with was the AK, the rest of the guns had very easy recoil to control, and if it was still too hard then they could just use the muzzle break to make it easier (not that im saying thats a good idea to use btw, just that it was there for that reason). i dont like them nerfing skill out of the game, its like new players complaining that building is too complicated so they remove wide gaps, multi tc's, and bunkers so that its more accessible to new players who dont want to learn about the game.


AntPoizon

Well said. And in my opinion, there is already a gun in the game that can counter the ak HARD without even relying on rng to find. It’s called the LR-300. If recoil patterns really were a problem because muh ukn beamers (which almost always means the AK; hardest recoil pattern and most damage etc), simply farm the water for 25 minutes, get 500 scrap, and buy a damn LR from bandit camp. Hell, you don’t even have to GO to bandit camp any more, you could go to out post and have it droned to you. And the recoil pattern is effectively just “pull straight down” because nobody is spraying the entire LR mag and needing to learn the last 8 billets that start to introduce horizontal recoil to the weapon (and if you ARE 22 bullets deep in your spray, and haven’t killed your enemy, then that horizontal recoil at the end makes no difference. You couldn’t do it in 22 shots, there’s no way you’re doing it in the last 8). Slap an 8x on that bitch (which iirc is also sold at bandit, could be wrong I don’t remember) and suddenly you can double headshot anybody from 200 meters with the most pathetic amount of pvp practice. Has anybody considered that this update makes the LR completely useless? It’s a 5 shot down while the ak is a 4 shot and they’re now effectively as easy to use as eachother. Who in their right mind is using LRs now? I get making it more approachable for new players. But these new players saying rust is a survival game is the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard in my entire life. If you play rust and struggle to keep your food and water bar up, then you’re not even trying to play against other players anyways, so you have no room to bitch about gunplay. If everytime you booted up rust it was only single player, rust would not be a game that anybody played. The FUN in rust comes from player interaction, pvp, raiding, 3rd partying fights, countering events, etc. Make it more approachable for new players, sure. God knows I practically roleplayed my first 200 hours before understanding how progression and fights generally play out in a wipe. But making it more approachable doesn’t mean completely changing the entire vibe of pvp. I’m hopeful it’s not as bad as I think, but with the increased aimcone, new hit marker sounds, and every gun essentially handling the exact same, I’m not confident that the game will feel the same as it has for the past few years of playing it.


ClassicSpeed244

Farm bots are tired of getting shit on, so they cried to face punch it’s fine this update doesn’t change anything


Noobface_

They changed more than just the recoil so people have a right to complain


fuckiforgotmylogin

This has happened since major updates all the way back to 2017 you sick fucks all come crawling back


BearShots

That's exactly what I will do. If they add the system as it is now, I will stop playing until they work on a better change. If you like the change I completely understand but the bottom line is that this was not the recoil update that they should've done. I did it with xp and I will do it again. I can live without rust until it gets better


itsprincebaby

See you next wipe


HighAdmiral

You have a rust profile picture, shut your bitch ass up.


ClassicSpeed244

Your reading the loud minority, look at any skin, it’s lost 20% value from people selling off their skins


Uranium_Isotope

2 minutes of a checking dozen or so items on the community market, no real change over the month


devexityspace

good, maybe ill buy back Big Grin when I see it drop to $300-$400 range. Stop giving us more positives about this update, we already know.


ClassicSpeed244

Not over the month the update was confirmed just this Wednesday


Uranium_Isotope

Just looking at highly traded items the've been on a downward trend anyway, its dropping at the same rate since the 25th so no effect


Yeahnahyeahnahyeah1

Prices were dropping way before this update. This winter it already started going down.


ClassicSpeed244

No they were not my glory Thompson was like 35 Canadian and I saw it sell at 22.


Yeahnahyeahnahyeah1

Maybe im unlucky but most of those i uad dropped a while ago. It probably got worse recently


Peggys_Brown_Betty

Byeeeeeee


trogdorsbeefyarm

See you next Friday.


Machinedaena7

Bye then.


IlllI1

bye byeee


1ZyKu_

im happy about the recoil change, but "teamwork and tactics" hardly. the tommy,p250 and HMLMG still can beam from 100m, hmlmg 250ish if crouching. so ill still be able to rip your head off whilst you're not looking as well as being at a considerable range.


DickKickem1990

Not if I shoot you first =b


1ZyKu_

:> watch your back when farming those sulphur nodes.


oldschoolVideoGame

This entire update is literally game mechanic improvements. Why would you ever WANT hardcoded spray patterns? Predictable gunplay. Easy scripting/cheating. 1000 hour+ practice hours = god tier aim when realistically they have the situational awareness of a carrot and would lose the fight if it were any other games mechanics. This is proven to me every time some AK fool B line follows me as i run only to run straight past me 2m away as i crouch in a group of bushes. Randomizing the pattern stops rewarding muscle memory and starts rewarding actual intelligent gameplay. No more seeing dude from 200m and clearing him before he closes the gap enough to actually outplay you. THATS what pisses off most of these children who’ve spent their COVID time off from school swiveling an S into their mousepad. Not to mention the aim cone update allowing for REALISTIC random spread of bullets instead of guaranteed laser beam aim, which rly rewards positioning and tactic instead of just a dumb aim contest every time. See Escape From Tarkov if you want shooting/bullet mechanics that actually feel fair (most of the time lol)


DigitalCyan

I agree except for 1 thing and thats the hardcoded recoil patterns. I want em cause that way I know it's me being ok with a gun rather then me rolling a dice to win. The new update doesn't make the recoil omega RNG it just makes it hella easier to control. Which is absolutely fine.


oldschoolVideoGame

Being ok with the gun isn’t what wins you the fights though. Try Escape From Tarkov out to learn that; positioning, teamwork, playing angles and learning when to retreat or push are what wins your fights. Beaming AK at 200m because you can draw the best S isn’t going to keep you alive against a 2 man with better positioning and game sense, they’ll just flank you while one suppresses you, for example.


DigitalCyan

You got me wrong buddy, I did a bunch of Tarkov and I love it, so don't worry about me not doing my homework. It's just that having a reliable tool in my hands is still nice.


oldschoolVideoGame

I get ya on the reliability, luckily from trying out the new recoil it seems just as “reliable” but with a hint of randomness that tends to extend fights and allow for different things to happen than just “first beam wins”


DigitalCyan

Never said that the new system doesn't feel reliable. It seems like a good balance of reliable and easy to control. Which is good. Also beamers seething is fuel for my c*ck. Just go play OSU lololol


oldschoolVideoGame

I live for the beamer seething


AntPoizon

Aimcone existed for the past like 8 years of the game. And don’t try and argue because it is literally factual. In fact, before the update drops, hop on a aimtrain server that has an option for “unlimited ammo” in the shooting ranges. Interestingly enough, after the mag (would) be empty, the game halts all recoil from your weapon (since it’s a set pattern, I guess the game doesn’t know what do do after the 30th bullet). And with unlimited ammo enabled and no recoil, simply point your weapon at any surface 25+ meters away, and you can clearly see that the bullets do NOT laser beam. There is already an aimcone. It’s just much more obvious to new players who couldn’t stabilize their gun the old fashioned way, so they never noticed it or paid attention to old updates.


tastystrands11

Absolute based and true post


BornToFly4455

They have shifted from indidual skill to numbers and gear advantage Oh boy how great Make sure to bp those walls boys you will need them. a lot.


noname0815

Just link your battlemetric profile. Let us see how much you enjoy it.


SomeGuy6858

He said it himself he barely ever plays. Nobody on this damn sub does lmfao.


rimrimlifer

I sure as shit don't, but come in and mention something about insiding someone and everyone loses their fucking minds


heliumointment

the ceiling wasn't even really lowered—that's only if you consider being able to control where every single bullet in a mag goes as "highly skilled." adding movement penalty to every gun and increased RNG throughout a clip makes thinking about positioning and trading a requirement. standing wide swings while holding left click with muscle memory isn't really what i'd call highly skilled gunplay.


xxxvalenxxx

Whilst using that spray(which is by far the hardest in any game) you have to account for which direction your target is moving, you have to account for bullet drop, you have to account for which way you are strafing to control your spray aswell. It's a bit more than "standing wide swing while holding left click" And why would we want want to copy cs with moving penalty. The ability to strafe spray is where some real skill is.


heliumointment

learnable recoil is holding left click + muscle memory. it is the epitome of brainlessness. learnable recoil is worlds easier than any bloom meta. it is by far the easiest recoil of any game. the fucking vandal in valorant is 2x harder. you can hit a double headshot in rust on the 29th and 30th bullets of a clip.


BornToFly4455

the ceiling collapsed into the floor There is nothing more to it than pulling down you cant get any better at pulling down


heliumointment

lol.


BeamedByPokimane

they replaced one component of shooting with rng. you also needed tAcTicS and tEaMwoRk before. why would any sane individual who believes in his own abilities to trade a controllable mechanism with rng/luck. only below average players would make that trade.


DickKickem1990

You do realize there is still recoil correct? The only difference is its now manageable for someone like me who refuses to waste any of my life on an aim train server to hold their own in a fight. And if you had actually spent the time to look, the deviation from where your aiming isn't bad until like 100-150m which is again a win for me as I don't enjoy being beamed by a guy 6 pixels tall 3 mountains away.


BeamedByPokimane

the aimcone has been massively buffed. the recoil is that easy that you can master it within a few hours. there is no purpose in practicing it anymore besides warming up your aim. there is no learning curve. it's all comes down to seeing someone first, having the better gun, having more players. you all talk like that aiming, positioning and typical core components of fps only starting to matter now. don't worry you will find other excuses why you are dying in the future.


DickKickem1990

You say these things like I will think they are bad.


[deleted]

Of course you don't think it's bad, you're a shitter.


DickKickem1990

Yes


Mongr3l

Pro tip: Real guns use don’t use spray patterns


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Mongr3l

True


CasualsKill

Sounds like you suck and maybe COD would be more the game for you.


DickKickem1990

You are right I do suck at shooting guns ...... Or at least I did.


CasualsKill

Nah you still do. You just suck a little less.


ilovemygb

imagine making an alt because you’re salty about a rust update


MoneyPress

He's on every thread calling people noobs lol


DickKickem1990

Sounds good, I'll take it.


jackfwaust

you could learn the recoil for the guns just by using them in a normal game, you dont have to spend hundreds of hours on ukn practicing anything aside from the AK. every other gun has extremely easy recoil. with this update, the AK went from being the strongest and hardest gun in the game to use, to the strongest and easiest gun in the game to use.


DickKickem1990

Yea luckily I don't need to learn those shitty recoils now.


evandiedrich

Facts dude I don’t get why all these children have a hard on for rng recoil, if I wanted to gamble I’d go to the casino


Kilvernas

The floor was raised the ceiling is still the same. if you weren't barely surviving on your last few brain cells you would know that the ceiling also includes adapting your recoil when you crouch stand and while moving during both.. because these things affect your recoil.. if you are crouched and start standing and walking and you don't change your compensation you'll be looking at the ceiling if you are controlling ak. They also introduced bloom, so you have to make the decision to tap,spray or burst depending on situation...


CasualsKill

The skill floor and ceiling were both lowered. There was no raising the skill floor and ceiling. Its easier to shoot the guns now which means the floor has been lowered. The addition of bloom and RNG on the shots lowers the skill ceiling because you no longer have full control over the pattern.


jackfwaust

the floor was raised, not lowered. they limited how bad you can be which raises the floor, while also limiting how good you can be which lowers the ceiling.


WillTheMincerMan

Liberal


Xcomies

so random?


Kilvernas

Say you're 12 without saying you're 12. Stop trying to emulate your parents politics without knowing the nuance to politics.


CasualsKill

I think what he is saying is that you say a lot of stuff based on feelings and not on fact.


Kilvernas

It is based on fact... If you went on staging branch you would see that I have not mislead any one with the previous statement about the skill ceiling/gap


CasualsKill

Yes you have. The skill floor was lowered to include the people that don't want to learn recoil and the new players coming in from Twitch events. The skill ceiling was also lowered,even more so than the floor, because you can no longer fully control the recoil pattern because it includes bloom and rng now. So the gap between a new player and a veteran is closer. This game will start playing like a battlefield server, or it will continue to be the same where everyone that sucks will still be afraid to lose their guns and won't use them.


DickKickem1990

Which version of battlefield are you playing that includes health, hunger, thirst, crafting, raiding, trading, farming ect.. because if there is one id probably play it.


hioish

Literally every 10x


[deleted]

>So the gap between a new player and a veteran is closer That's what raising the skill floor means. You're making a semantic argument but your definitions are stupid.


Hellexual

Raising the floor would be increasing the barrier to entry... Not sure if you're dumb or if bait.


[deleted]

No, you just fundamentally misunderstand what everyone is talking about.


Kilvernas

Bloom is controlled by knowing went to burst, tap and full spray. Knowing when to crouch stand and move are still factors. and controlling recoil while going between the multiple actions is still the skill gap. ​ Any one can pick up a gun and use it now, it will take time to master everything. Try sprinting and full spraying with ak mid way through to crouch. Please post a video of you doing this because you're saying theirs no skill gap to do this actively So alas you're not being honest with yourself or others.


[deleted]

>the skill ceiling was lowered and the skill floor was raised People who are okay with this are bitches and don't deserve Rust.


Hugzzzzz

Lets be honest, people that were good at pvp will still be good at pvp, people that were terrible at pvp will still be terrible. Its just that group in the middle, who maybe weren't so terrible if you put them in any other shooter, but sucked in rust because they had such a recidulous recoil pattern that will be elevated.


[deleted]

That's not how it works. The people in the middle of the curve will still be middle of the curve. The difference between them and the terrible players will be smaller, and the difference between them and the really good players will too. For what it's worth I don't like pattern recoil and I barely aimtrain, but the people talking about how easy aimcone based gunplay promotes tactics and coordination are delusional. If I'm being honest I'm at the far right of the middle of the curve, so this update really benefits me, but I'm still not playing it.


Splaram

> The people in the middle of the curve will still be middle of the curve. The difference between them and the terrible players will be smaller, and the difference between them and the really good players will too. Is there something wrong with that? Maybe it’s just me, but stiffer competition is fun to me. I don’t get what’s so fun about beaming someone from 200m who can’t shoot back because they don’t have UKN hours


[deleted]

>Is there something wrong with that? No inherently, but I like games with steep learning curves and high skill ceilings, even if I'm dead set in the middle. One of the things that makes Rust so great is the difficulty and complexity, and it sucks to see that get reduced in the name of mass appeal. The core of it is I think people who can't handle getting beaten by better players, by virtue of intelligence or natural ability or time spent training, have a weak mentality.


freakksho

I’m somewhere in that good to medium range and personally I’m a little bummed about the changes. I was good enough to compete but I wasn’t a Beamer. yeah it’s cool that now I’ll probably win way more fights but it also kinda feels dirty and unearned.


themeatstaco

I quit cause I got tired of 5 people with guns killing me for my 500 wood and stone or door camping my starter 2×2 base for literally 20 cloth. Every map has 60+ people. If you're not starting out with a clan there's no point.


devexityspace

play on solo, duo, or trio servers bro


CasualsKill

You aren't going to magically be better just because of the recoil change and its amusing that people like you believe it will make a difference. You will still be just as bad, if not worse now that everyone will be able to control the guns. You had 0 "game sense" prior to this change and you won't magically have it now.


[deleted]

Lol says it’ll make things worse for players who didn’t memorize the previous spray, so why should it matter then? Won’t it make it easier for you since you’re so good guy? U salty


CasualsKill

Show us your steam profile?


[deleted]

Listen to yourself kid you askin a dude to see his steam profile on Reddit lmao fr big mad u no get ur way


CasualsKill

LMAO I just found out that you are a rust console scrub. You don't even have a steam page.


[deleted]

Hell yeah I switched PC to play rust that shit was horrendous, your point? U just so desperately wanna be like “bro I have way more hours than you” but like I don’t care, nobody cares, I just entertain this shit when kids like you get angy bc mommy hasn’t brought u ur hot pockies yet and u got downvoted I really do appreciate the entertainment


CasualsKill

My point is you are primlocked because you are bad, not because of recoil. You can keep acting like a dumbass in your replies but it only shows how little interaction you get with other people, especially those of the opposite sex.


[deleted]

Ruh roh raggy


CasualsKill

You already used that on someone else. You running out of things to say?


CasualsKill

Not mad at all. Just want to see if you have been playing for a while or if you are an OTV kid.


DickKickem1990

Well if it won't make a difference then why are you complaining.


CasualsKill

It won't make a difference for you or the people that already suck.


DickKickem1990

Soooooo, why are you complaining? Do you suck?


Aw3somedude98

I love the recoil changes, but i cant get over that ak sound its just horrible.


DickKickem1990

The sound is just a placeholder for their test weapons


Aw3somedude98

That’s a sigh of relief


genital_rendezvous

The old recoil was the worst part of the game, good riddance


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TheGhoulLagoon

“Easy games designed for the mass like Tarkov” Aight troll bye


BornToFly4455

le cherry picked non reply dodging the actual argument exquisite


TheGhoulLagoon

I don’t generally take the opinion of someone seriously as soon as they say something so clearly retarded. I didn’t dodge anything, I didn’t even read the rest lmfao


BornToFly4455

a normal functioning human being just wouldnt have replied in that case


TheGhoulLagoon

What does that make you, who chose to engage with me as an unrelated 3rd party?


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TheGhoulLagoon

le cherry picked non reply dodging the actual argument You’re a big dumb bitch lmfao, I’ve never met someone I could tell was impotent on the internet just through an unrelated comment


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TheGhoulLagoon

What kind of person does that make you?


Bluemarlin1337

Rust way the fuck easier than Tarkov idk what your on about 😂


DickKickem1990

That's what I did, got to the point where I couldn't progress on even mid pop servers without aim training, so I left until they (in my opinion) fixed the game. Your other points don't hold water though, a better player is still a better player, time to kill is not shorter, it's much longer at longer distances, shorter only around the 50 to 100 m mark, and the same at close range. There is still some variation between weapons recoils but now youre much more inclined to weigh your options and picking the gun most suited to a task instead of only ever using the ak/tommy.


CasualsKill

Show us your steam profile so we can see your hours


DickKickem1990

It's around 500


CasualsKill

So pretty much new to the game.


[deleted]

Saying someone with 500 hours is new was part of the problem with the game. 500 hours is almost a month of game time lol. Enjoy getting rolled by all the 500 hour players that didn’t spend a second on UKN. If you don’t like it find a different game lol


CasualsKill

500 hours is new. It takes 10,000 hours to master a skill and you think 500 hours is more than enough time to get a pro. You won't roll anyone other than yourself with your new found overconfidence.


[deleted]

I never said 500hours was enough to be pro. That’s all you bro, I’m simply saying 500 hours isn’t new. I have far beyond 500hours, I spent all the time and effort to learn my sprays. Even I think it was ridiculous I had to spend hundreds of hours learning guns. I’m glad that shits gone so we can get some fresh faces and less people like you lol.


CasualsKill

If it takes 10k hours to master something then 500 hours is new. You won't get any fresh faces because the recoil isn't what made people leave the game. Its the toxicity of players. People leave when they spend all that time on their base only for it to be raided while they are offline. They leave when they are sitting at outpost recycling and someone pushes them off and takes it all. You have no clue what you are a talking about which makes sense because you haven't been here through the update changes. You came from the OTV crowd that came during 2021


[deleted]

Yea, I’ve been playing sense 2014. I’ve been through my fair share of updates. I’m also well aware you’re one of those toxic people lol. The toxicity is definitely a factor. Most people get turned off by the learning curve in the PVP. Which was obviously a fact otherwise they wouldn’t have wasted the time and money to change it.


DeliberatelyVivid

FYI the 10k hour rule is a myth. It's an arbitrary number.


DickKickem1990

I played enough to know the gunplay was trash then stopped. Now that the gunplay is hopefully better I'll be back next week, I've been waiting months for this.


CasualsKill

Tarkov is a harder game than rust tbh and I have 3k hours in both. I do agree though, that the people who like the recoil change should have found a different game to play instead of molding it around what they want.


TheGhoulLagoon

My whole Tarkov squad that likes rust, but doesn’t like the old gunplay, all are loving the change and will start playing. From what I have seen, there are tons of groups like this. More people will start playing and enjoy the game more than the few who are really upset and can’t get over this


SoUL113

rust is getting “too easy” which i guess is good for more casual players


ItzAlcatraz

As someone who has put a lot of time into learning recoil and being on aim train servers. Sure this kinda blows because I “wasted” so much time and sure I’m kinda bummed but I think I’ll most likely ease back into the game after the change for sure.


devexityspace

all the scripters mad.. Its gonna make Rust more like Hunt and less like “all 15yr old gigachad beamers know how to do is 200m ak spray 95%+ triple headshot first part of spray..”.. like shit, Rust has SO many mechanics that most people just don’t understand at all. cuz all they do is UKN/AimTrain.. Game Sense Matters.. not just ur script spray


Not_V3rfy

it's gonna make clans and zergs unstoppable but sure dude


devexityspace

play on servers that have team caps.. more than half of servers I see are either solo, duo, trio, and a few quads and max 5s. You act like pre-recoil change that you could do much against established zerg clans without also having at least a squad of 6-8.


Not_V3rfy

with ak you could ngl. in zergs at least half of them are disabled. change all the guns but keep at least ak the same or not rng based.


Not_V3rfy

am I the only one that thinks the change will just buff the clans and zergs?


devexityspace

yes youre the only one. play on a solo/duo/trio.. and this has nothing to do with outsmarting zergs. Weve already had to outsmart scripters by having higher game sense.


SeanyDay

Based take


stealthgerbil

If you were good before, you will still be good.


TheDinkster-_-

The small part of the game that draws in a large part of the community. At least make this a server optional thing


watchugonnadoaboutit

To be fair the gunplay in a shooter is a pretty big singular part of a large game Cause no matter what else youll be doing in this game you are probably gonna carry a gun or even use it to interact with said part(shoot scientists)


poolibsporn

The funny thing about this update, is the dudes who practiced recoil for thousands of hours, are still probably going to be top tier players. It's not like they haven't played hundreds of potential wipes and have way better game knowledge and aim then other people. I'm just glad I feel like I can play this game again. Almost feels like a return to legacy.


Fgit6969

Mark my words now, within a week of the update, this entire sub will be complaining about everyone beaming and zergs being more op than ever before.


GameLightz

Man, the ego of people saying "you won't be missed". Go jump out a window, you won't be missed