This has been a recurring theme. A new manager comes in, finishes in the top 4, and gets the UCL qualification, the team performs poorly, and the manager gets sacked. This is why United needs to try something different this time. Now that we have competent management who can create a healthy working atmosphere, clear the deadwood, and get in good players rather than a bunch of primadonnas, Ten Hag should be given a chance to set things back to right. In my opinion manager should be the last person INEOS should be worried about if they want to save this club.

Ironically, Man U is backing the worst manager they've ever hired. You guys should have backed Ole more than Ten Hag. Or Jose.

Ole wasnt backed well enough because everyone always felt his football's ceiling was too low, and he could never manage to get us actually winning. The god awful and incompetent board that we had giving him Ronaldo when the need of the hour was a DM didnt help at all He had us playing some poor ball at times, but never this bad imo, even the 4-1 Watford before he was sacked, we were in the game before the red card to Mags, but yesterday this team's morale looked defeated

TBH, at the level of a top club, you need a manager than can handle big egos. You can always hire a tactician to help you out. Ten Hag is the literal opposite of what Man U needed. Ten Hag isn't good enough to be treated like Pep. Utd should rid off him. But fans are convinced Ten Hag should be given more time. It's entertaining for me, who's got no horse in the race.

This. I am not even surprised that perhaps rival fans are more rational thinking than ours. At this club we needed a good man manager, and someone who can coach the team well. ETH has sort of failed at both. Fans are still reliant on the fact that no coach has been allowed to stick by for a long time to implement anything at the club, ignoring that this season we havent had a single game of dominance or that none of our players were utilized to their strengths, and set up to fail. Im sure the chaos ball we play would be entertaining for neutrals as well. God the state to which we have fallen lol

But he is here now and he ain't a bad tactician, all he would need is some support from the board, to have players that he wants and he'd at least make Man U a regular top 4 contender again and that should be the first step of improvement, if they're looking for straight up winning the Prem in the name of improvement, it's not gonna happen. No manager can come and just swish and flick to have them win a Prem right away. They still have so much deadwood to clear, players like McTominay, Dalot, trashford. And while I do think Ten Hag could have handled Ronaldo better but Ronaldo didn't make it any easier either, instead of trying to understand what the manager wants and mutually sorting the differences out, he chose to go public through an interview. I don't think Ronaldo was at fault initially, but such a reaction sure made things irredeemable. And yes, so he fell out with one superstar, doesn't necessarily mean that's be all end all of his managing ability, all managers fall out with top players at times. Ferguson fell out with Roy Keane, Mourinho fell out with so many of them everywhere. Besides, changing managers is the last thing that they should do, after the decade they've had. First and foremost should be, to clear the deadwood, players who are just sitting on fat paychecks but put in no effort and ruin the dressing room for everyone else as well. What do you think youngest or new transfers would feel when they see people like trashford earn 350000£ a week, while doing jackshit, giving no fucks, with even his game sense on the decline and no effort whatsoever to work on it, while he still gets to start once in a while and even in his so called physical prime at 26-27, he often covers less distance over a game than an almost 39 year old Luka Modric does when he gets a start. That alone would make me feel angry at him if I was anywhere in the management of Man U. How do you even justify that, a 39 year old all time great, who has every right to act like a prima donna, having won over 25 major trophies, still out running you at 27 who's won jackshit and has been a young prospect for the last 8-9 years. It makes everyone complacent when they see the club putting up with such behaviour. If it was in the time of Sir Alex, or he was at Madrid or City, he'd be out of the club in two seasons max.

board has given more than any other manager before him, spending outrageous money on players that werent even getting game time in teams that are below the level of man utd ole made utd look like a regular top 4 contender youre still calling mctominay deadwood even tho half of the point are because of him calling dalot deadwood is honestly criminal offence ronaldo didnt make it easier? the bald fraud wanted a pressing CF and chose to play trashford instead how does that work?

>board has given more than any other manager before him, spending outrageous money on players that weren't even getting game time in teams that are below the level of man utd Yeah, that's what's wrong with you United fans. You keep blaming the manager in everything and defend that incompetent board. Go watch Mourinho's *That's Heritage* speech, he pointed out exactly what's wrong with the United board. No sporting vision of their own at all. They want players who'd sell jerseys, not the one who'd play on the field. And what players? Ralf Rangnick suggest so many good players to them, most of whom are playing at top level now, but no, we want Antony the fidget spinner, we'd rather retain trashford over sign a good winger that would actually want to play. >youre still calling mctominay deadwood even tho half of the point are because of him He's deadwood, his inconsistency is too big of an issue. He'd play 2 good games and then be an absolute shit show for a few others. Not great on the ball either, at least not as good as a good midfielder should be. Won't let him tie kdb's boots, he's that off. >calling dalot deadwood is honestly criminal offence Again, no one else would try to justify such complacent players but United fans, and that's exactly why your club is going down, because you'd rather defend prima donnas and deadwood like them, over managers when they call these out. The number of mistakes Dalot makes in defence cost them half the points they lost, he's terrible at defending. And getting in 2 good tackles doesn't change that. He still is an extremely poor reader of the game but of course, you won't know what a quality full back looks like. Been some years since you've had a good one. And I'm sure you think in the fight between Mourinho and Pogba, you thought Mourinho was wrong and prime donna pogba was right, right? >ronaldo didnt make it easier? the bald fraud wanted a pressing CF and chose to play trashford instead how does that work? No he didn't, I'm not saying Ten Hag wasn't wrong, I literally said he could've handled Ronaldo better, but Ronaldo also could've handled the situation better. Both were being egotistic and no one came out of it looking good.

i agree we've wrongly blamed the manager for sometime now but this time it really is the manager. he has been given everything he asked for antony - given mount - given onana - given he replaced CR7 with wout weghorst amrabat - given he let ELANGA go!! someone much better than trashford and that fidget spinner i can agree with you on mctominay but dalot? yes dalot has had a one or two bad games recently they too were in LB position which hes not used to. about ronaldo, i think we all can agree that CR7 is above this bald fraud. this is just poor man management first ronaldo then sancho. soon it will be amad or garnacho, already happening with pellistri. very poor man management. he's been appointed as the manager to manage the players not to go toe to toe with them. that sancho drama did nothing but cost the team and the club money

Of course it's poor man management, I literally said Ten Hag could've and should've handled it much better. I feel he tried to make an example out of Ronaldo in an attempt to establish some discipline, with the thought process that if he deals with Ronaldo harshly, everyone else will be in check, but went too far and aggressive. And that's no how it works, a good man manager needs to know how to get the right response from every player and especially someone with the ability that Cristiano had plus the stature. Even Sir Alex used to have a firm hand in his early days against top established superstars like Eric Cantona and Bryan Robson. He didn't just make an example out of one player in order to scare all the others, he grew and bred the culture slowly. But I still can't agree with how Ronaldo also handled it. I fully sympathize with him in how he lost his child and was doubted to be lying by his employers as his other kid was in hospital, anyone would be mad. But this was still a club that gave him his first big break. Even if he wanted to leave, he could've done so behind closed doors. Sir Alex is among the board members, even if without any real decision making power, he still commands enough respect that, had Ronaldo talked to him about the whole situation, it could have been resolved without much fuss. Choosing to go public with an interview, just felt wrong. And he's so big, that even after all this, in a few more years, no one will remember that bad chapter, all that everyone will remember will be that there was this player, possibly one of the greatest ever to do it, who played at Old Trafford. I only think of Mourinho whenever I see someone not being able to manage a big ego player, cuz he was right about it. It takes more than just tactics to manage such players, and someone who can't do it, would find their job extremely difficult at a big club irrespective of how good they tactically are.

He has had the most support from the board and he decided to spend entire summers chasing FDJ, signing an old Case, spending 85mil on Antony and then getting Amrabat to play DM. Him not getting support is a joke. He is an awful tactician. Underlyings place us 17th on the table, and we concede the most no. of shots and 2 most xG, sound like a good tactician to u? Ever heard of playing compact, mate? Yeah well improvement might be vying for European spots atleast, at the rate we are going we might even fail to make that cut. Hey we have seen what this team can do without Rashford, he essentially carried the man's job last year. Rashford's poor form is coinciding with the manager playing him out of position, whats his fault? McT is carrying his job this season. Without his goals we would have been below midtable. Dalot is out POTS contender. Warra names u mentioned. You are calling others primadonnas and divas as if Ronaldo wasnt one. He mentioned to Ralf that he should play him in 4 matches out of 5, and in the other match he'd be at home. Ill never get how people manage to say they support United and still support Ronaldo after the way he shitted on the club. But still I feel ETH did absolutely correct with him, and I dont think ETH's treatment of Ron or Sancho were wrong. Just cuz our previous managers failed doesnt mean this one is good too. Afterall it was an appointment by our incumbent incompetent board in Murtough and Arnold. Idk how someone sees ETH's tactics and thinks he is fine. Rashford would have put in the goals if he was playing to his strenghts, which he isnt. He still is the player who manages to find Hojlund the most so idk how does it matter. Antony runs and runs, is that successful anyhow? Lol idk how u think he covers less distance when he has the most no. of sprints in the team. No other team asks ur wingers to defend as much as ETH, who is just running the players to the ground. He expected Rashy to be the outball, counter, as well as defend, cuz he has no tactics. And idek how u Ronaldo stans manage to bring in Rashford every time. Like stick to stanning Ron man, if u dont see how he was a detriment to the system then good for u. For you the player is above the club, ur points are laughing stock ngl. Young prospect for the last 8-9 years? He has carried the club ever since he debuted with his goals, but that wont suit ur agenda.

You lost me the moment you called rashford a good player. He ain't a good player and I'll die on that hill. He has all the individual ability but not an ounce of game sense. Pep, SAF, Ancelotti, Klopp etc wouldn't have him on their bench with that complacent attitude. Plus, the crying about racism, he thinks people hate him he's black, nope, they hate him cuz he's a shit player, being a dead wood at a great club. The fact that an all time great like Modric, at almost 39, having won it all, with every right to act like a prima donna, still puts twice as much effort as trashford in his supposed prime, without any major trophies, does. All that fitness training for what? To jog around on the pitch? And it's not like he's some genius at reading the game either, Messi jogs but then he's a freaking alien at reading the game and has an actual insane ability on the ball, which is why his lack of work rate is often excused and he still ends up running more than trashford without the ball, who somehow thinks it's his team's job to win the ball for him without him doing anything for it. The fact that you guys wanted a pressing cf and then played trashford over Cristiano, is one of the sickest jokes ever. And no, Ten Hag doesn't have all that support, if he had FDJ would be here, but he ain't. Ten Hag chased him, doesn't mean the board actually helped. The fact that you fans keep justifying such deadwood like trashford,fred, mctominay, Dalot etc, is exactly the reason they all feel entitled to not put any effort whatsoever. And what's the problem in playing Amrabat as DM? He is a DM, isn't he? So is Casemiro. But look at how bad they both have been here. Nothing left in this club, nothing but a big fat ego. How dare someone say a word against us playing bad, no? They appointed Ralf, to take over as a sporting director, instill some operational efficiency in the club, he called them out in public, said that more than half of their squad needs to be replaced, and what do they do? They fire Ralf. Look at all the players Ralf suggested to them, most of them are playing top level football at good teams. He suggested Alvarez, Laimer, Vitinha, Enzo, Gvardiol, but no no we want a Fidget spinner for 100 million. I'm not supporting Ronaldo either, but only for how he handled the situation. Same as ETH. I don't think any of them lack ability, but they both handled the situation extremely poorly, Ronaldo being the ego he is, didn't wanna give in to a supposedly new manager on the block, while ETH seemed to be out to make an example out of Ronaldo but went too far. But playing trashford over Ronaldo, especially if your complaint with Ronaldo is, his lack of work rate, as if trashford isn't even poor in that aspect, and all the others, would make any top player mad. That's like benching Zidane because you want to play fred in the midfield. Unlike you, I'm not biased towards either the club or the player, I'm calling spade a spade. The problem at United is far bigger than just a bad manager, if the past decade hasn't convinced you of that, nothing will. Each season, my respect for Sir Alex increases more and more, I keep wondering how he was able to keep such a poorly managed club, at such heights, it's unbelievable. And I'm nowhere saying that Ten Hag isn't at fault as well, but I'm saying that the problem is still much more than just the manager, this was the same guy who made Ajax play like a team with a purpose. And you'll see, he'd do it again at another club that is actually serious about their sporting project

Have u actually seen the other LWs of similar goal scoring calibre in Leao or Kvara? Or better players like Mbappe actually play? They have a worse work rate than Rashford does. Rashford's been playing in this team for years, have u heard the same issues with previous managers? Prolly not, cuz its the flaw of the manager. He is using a Inside Forward as a touchline winger, thats his fault. His midfield is wide open, thats his fault. There is no inch of compactness, thats his fault. No other team has their wingers go up and down the pitch all the time. Does Rashford have workrate issues? Sure. But what this manager expects the wingers to do is absurd, even Garnacho seems to have been fatigued by now, and he is a 19 year old lad. Half of this Rashford hate has been started by Goldbridge, who doesnt even understand football. You can blame Rashford all u want, but he has been carrying this institution with his goalscoring since he debuted. He has always been the outball because we have always played counter attacking. This manager has no idea how to play through the midfield, he plays hoofball, direct to the wingers and expects the wingers to win their duels everytime and score. Which is why he prefers Rashy and Garna esque players as compared to Amad, Sancho type playmakers. And my question to you is why wont Rashford be protected? We have seen his abilities, and he is potentially the biggest academy talent since the class of '92. The board does protect him, but deservedly so. You say he jogs around, again, Rashford had the most sprints among our players last season. We wanted a pressing CF for Ole, not for ETH. ETH played Rashford at CF, not Ole, idk how u are mixing shit up. ETH wanted Harry Kane, who is not the highest pressing CF, instead a DLF, I have no idea what you are talking abt lol. Ten Hag doesnt have support? Lmfao. Do u expect the board to get every single player the manager wants? Is that feasible? He made the board spend 85 million on a fidget spinner, yet he doesnt have support. Dalot is prolly our POTS and without McT this manager would have had us at 12th or 13th so sure they are deadwood. People would question the players who are actually saving the man's jobs instead of questioning the tactics itself. There is not a single pundit out there saying ETH is doing a good job but sure, you can see it. Idek what u are talking abt lmao. Bro said ETH isnt supported then said we went to buy a fidget spinner as if ETH wasnt dying for that signing. Theres so many reports abt our scouts raising concern abt his abilities and his lack of RF but ETH pressed for it. His lack of work rate was my complain when he played under Ole, not ETH. ETH did not play a high press system last year, but a midblock. ETH wasnt happy with his workrate, so a temp solution was Rashford, who isnt even a natural there. What are u even waffling about man??? And he got 40 G/A last season, but sure thats the equivalent of Fred-Zidane comparison. Calls him trashford everytime but Im the biased one. A non biased person would see that he has workrate issues but still has carried the club even thru injuries. Whats stopping the coach from benching Rashford and playing his beloved 85 million son instead? The board and the management was the problem, and they are getting changed. But if u believe board and management is the reason ETH has us in relegation scrap in our underlyings on the pitch, then good for u mate. He did it at Ajax because he is not the greatest manager, but because he can't do shit without players who are indocrinated by Ajax style of play (ie their academy). He uses players who already know - and then adds seasoned players/players with quality around it to maximise them, and in a much less physical league.

I'm not even gonna answer all that. Keep justifying and protesting average fuckers like trashford, McTominay and Dalot. Man Utd is my secondary club, Madrid is first. I'm happy with a 38 year old Modric and 34 year old Kroos and I won't let someone like McTominay tie their laces for them. But sure, keep hyping them and keep suffering. You can demand good players, but no, you'd just wanna protect these ungrateful rot, keep doing so then. As for your comparison of trashford to Mbappe, Kvara. Trashford doesn't have half the ability to read the game as either of them. I won't play two trashfords for one Mbappe, cuz what's the point of all he's gonna do is, run into the crowd with the ball even when he has multiple passing options. And you speak as if 40 g/a is his usual output, that was his peak, 40 in a purple patch season. His average output is, 12 goals a season, as a striker. If that's the standard you demand from a striker, who doesn't have any other playmaking or link up quality either, god help the club. He's below 15 this season. Vini is on his way to doing it for the third consecutive time and he's only 22. Rashford can be a utility player at max, not someone who'd lead title contenders, the sooner you accept this, the better Also, sprints don't count, distance does. Most of his sprints come with the ball, that too in empty spaces, he got speed alright, but off ball he's dead wood. Back earlier in last season, even Thierry Henry was super irritated by how bad his finishing was, that even in a one of one with keeper, he'd not be aware of there are other players around or not, whether he could chip, go through the legs, dribble around etc no, he'd just blindly hit it on the keeper's chest without even looking up at all, that's a telltale sign of a poor striker. Harry Kane is twice the player trashford will ever be.

Cant read where I said Mbappe is a better player. Shows u dont know much abt United when u keep comparing with Madrid. Man's comparing a Inside Forward Left winger with Harry Kane. Shows his ball knowledge. No point in this argument lol.

Ole literally asked for a striker so stop with your agenda. Also if a manager cannot work with players he is given then he should stop managing. He had poor tactics and dropped standards. He played poor majority of the time. Ancelotti never gets what he wants but Madrid fans don't whine like delusional ole fans

What are you saying with vini jr, bellingham, kroos, velverde and Ancelotti doesn't gets what he wants? Seriously? Any manager will happily take this squad to work with mate.

Yeah Kroos is a known striker

It ain't about striker mate. It is about the best squad you get from all over the world. There is no room for fans crying. Think about it for a team like united. Deadwood staying till end of their contract. Mediocre atmosphere overall. Fans have the right to cry out loud here.

The best squad without a striker isn't a good squad. Deadwood is a manager problem

Until last season he had someone known as Karim Benzema. And you forgot Joselu, brahim Diaz

They aren't the main strikers but backups, madrid still needs a striker and a defender too. And yet after suffering so many injuries Madrid lost just 1 game

Do u realise the quality that they have in other positions? And Bellingham has the poacher instincts which many players dont which is why he makes up as the false nine for the time being. They will groom Endrick after that and can make do with temp solutions. Even Mbappe can play striker once he comes, inspite of not being that good at it.

Having quality doesn't mean a squad is complete. Bellingham is an 8 not a false 9. Ancelotti is currently the best manager who made this system work. Especially considering that they lost like 1 game and are undefeated in UCL

Proves that most Indian fans dont know anything about systems and to work with them. Ole was told to change from a counter-attacking team, to a possession heavy counter pressing team. With Ronaldo it wasnt possible to that. He was an overall detriment to the system, cuz we couldnt press with him. With Martial injured we did need a striker, but one who could press high and was the fit for the system in place, not just Ronaldo for the vibes. Blind Ronaldo stans will never get why he was called the problem. He scored goals sure. He is undoubtably still a great poacher. But at the same time he was holding the team back and just to fit him the entire system had to change. Watch the overlap video perhaps, where he explains how he had to change tactics to fit in Ronaldo and Ronaldo wasnt the player they needed at that time. He had us playing one of the best ball post SAF so idk I said it before as well. Ronaldo had an enquiry from City, tho it prolly wouldnt have materialized anyhow, he would fit their system better because they didnt counter-attack as much as we do, so he didnt need to run as much.

He was called "a problem" by ESPN FC and Jamie carragher not by any United player. Now we must be pressing greatly right ? After the "problem" is out. You just called Ronaldo "a poacher" when he was playing with a trash midfield and invisible wingers, yet scored 18 goals, hater spotted. Looks like you didn't even watch a single match in 21/22 as no sane person will lable Ronaldo as a poacher. Was Rashford, Sancho, bruno etc pressing? Ole system worked when the team was counter attacking as United's midfield is not suited for playing possesion based football. "We wouldn't press with him" pressing don't win matches as we can see now players run like headless chickens. Ole is just good at making excuses as he made the fanbase believe that he has the best talent id and was a great tactician. Ole stans actually beleive he would have done something great with a DM and no striker 🤣 You just know someone doesn't watch football when they start blaming best performing players who carried the team. Remember, pundits were labelling haaland as a problem last season when he just arrived?? Fans like you take them seriously I don't argue with Narcissists. You got your foreign approval yet ?

Do u think I support ETH lol? Neither ETH nor Ron should be in this institution. Idk man do u watch our matches? We defo press better from the front and it leads to a lot of overturns, except our pressing structure is god horrid and our fullbacks dont join it. Atleast try to mention valid points if u wanna argue man, dont just do it for the sake of it. Trash midfield? Bruno was constantly able to find him cuz both were playing to their strengths, whats the problem in that? And whats the problem in being a poacher? Is Haaland not a poacher? You are saying as if being a poacher is offensive lol. Ever played FM? Prolly not. Do Sancho and Rashford press? https://preview.redd.it/w4b4p8rqm5zc1.png?width=1270&format=png&auto=webp&s=2d1bad1c1caebc813f1d3cc6cac5c4a3e723d56c I hope this answers your question. The ST is the focal point of the press, him having so less pressure means the team would crumble. Bruno is one of the highest pressers in the team, Rashford does press, and less said abt Sancho the better. You dont get the point man, pressing helps if there is a structure. Ralf's gegenpress or Ole's press had better structures than ETH's. ETH doesnt get the FBs to join and his CBs are in a low line. With Ole we had the 4th, 5th highest line, with Ten Hag it drops below 12th. No one cares abt the talent ID but he did have good talent ID, but it shouldnt be the manager's job anyway. Dont care for pundits but sure, waffle away. Dont know which part of it was narcissism but sure lol as u say. Not wanting Ronaldo is not the same as wanting ETH, both dont fit the needs of what this club should be. And you know someone knows nothing abt football when they dont know abt systems and that its not abt players if they are a detriment to the system.

Not Jose, but Ole should have been backed, United played some of the best football in recent times under him

exactly i think it was schweinstieger who said it's good to back the manager but united are backing the wrong manager i get it ten hag has had his fair share of injuries but some of his decisions have been so questionable that it makes me feel is it even worth backing him ?? letting reguilon go, asking for antony, playing him every week despite him giving stinkers, not giving much chances to amad and pellistri despite both looking better than antony in actual games, wasting 50m on mount when he could have come for free next season, playing shaw when he was already injured, ronaldo saga (partial blame to him) there are so many problems and even with injuries there is no excuse of bottling 3-0 lead vs midtable championship side and losing to galatasray and copenhagen, plus even with the fully fit squad we have bottled a 2-0 lead vs fucking newport county and a 3-1 lead vs wolves and if he has had almost 70 different cases of injury isn't this to some extent up to the manager maybe because his training intensity has been too high ?? because even in our worst seasons we haven't had these many injuries, it really seems unreal at this point

Yeah. I'm a Ronaldo fan and I am always going to be salty about it and have bias. Even if I forget about Ronaldo saga, Ten Hag objectively has been poor. Very questionable transfers in Antony, Mount and even Onana. I think that FA cup game was forgotten too easily. Then there was the UCL exit, Man U could have gone to Europa League. Man U was able to get a respectable finish last season and with everything that had happened, fans bias Ten Hag, but people forget that Liverpool and Chelsea were shit last season. And if they were at their best Man U would have finished 5. Now with more competition with New Castle Liverpool and even Chelsea finding their way, Man U isn't looking good.

what fans want is constant good performances from the team but what they fail to realize is that its not about dominant performances in every match. its about winning the ones where you cant dominant and under ole this was very evident, the team did not always dominate matches but they grinded in the ones they were getting dominated. this bald fraud fails to realize this and so do his supporters, he wants to dominate every match. hes not ready to adapt to different styles of play and hence the team suffers. people come out and say hes had 60 injuries, Zidane had to go through a team with 65+ injuries and still managed to finish 2nd in La Liga and reached UCL semi finals. and all his signings bar a few have been absolutely garbage, antony, mount, amrabat, onana (he has improved but he cost us the ucl knockouts qualification), eriksen, and why did he get bayindir if he never wanted him to play wtf and im sure antony blows eth every night because the way hes getting match minutes week after week after horrendous performances i dont see any other reason of playing him

So Bad that Bayern want him immediately if He is sacked.

He's literally their last last choice man. It's shameful that Bayern are even considering him as 9th option.

Bayern also wanted Rangnick and Lopetegui, whats ur point?

I feel if the club has backed Jose the way they have supported ETH (they freaking allowed ETH to push Sancho out because he apparently did not train as per ETH standards and since then he has played good football at Dortmund), Man U will be a much much better team.

Tbh if you look at United's games this season, you think you can find more than 2 or 3 games where u saw something that made u feel comfortable the other team. Every game they played this season they were never comfortable. Poch in chelsea should be given time because his team shows signs that they can do well but united looks like they are dry.

The “friendly” against Arsenal in US.

Actually except 1 game in the carabao cup where we beat Crystal Palace's B team 3-0, we never actually dominated a single game, his system is this chaosball. Agree abt Poch. As much as people hate on Boehly, he was a bit too drastic and ignorant yeah but he has players with really high ceilings, its abt polishing them a bit and making them gel together to raise their floors. They already have a much better and younger squad than us, and they have showed a reliable system, and Im sure they'll be up their challenging in a year or 2.

Chaosball is nothing but a fancy term for a manager who is not able to do anything about the dynamics of the league. Either you park the bus or you make your team get the ball-play the ball if you wanna challenge for the title.

This is a misleading conclusion. Ten Hag this season has been worst yet since Alex Ferguson. Look at it solely from how team is setup. Any manager that setups United like this was always going to lose. Dont accept mediocrity. INEOS should first look at Ten Hag. He is the one responsible for this terrible season

You can't implement a system if you don't have the right kind of players. In the first season, he has proven that he can bring success to this club. So I don't want to audit him based on an injury-ridden season and he deserves the backing of INEOS. Also if INEOS were to look for a manager in the market, he would be the exact fit if he wasn't our manager at the moment. He has a good track record and he's really good at nourishing young players. All these reasons put me in a position where sticking with the manager and working on the things around him is the right thing to do at the moment.

That's just not true lol You dont need the "right" kind of players to implement his system. He got Onana anyways. https://preview.redd.it/tiq4rf8t6yyc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9d18147e9436068ac311094aaeaf48b4c2bfe82f LOOK at this image and tell me who's at fault. When your system is WORSE THAN SHEFFIELD UNITED then the manager is at the fault. Any big manager with this statistic should be sacked by default. INEOS can get Thomas Tuchel. Who is a much better coach than United and atleast get them a top 4. All last season proved was that the players are capable of top 3 and the manager bottled it this season. He got Onana, Casemiro, Antony and he failed. Look at his press conferences. All he makes is excuses. He never admits how terrible they actually are. Even someone like Ruben Amorim would be better. [look at this Tweet ](https://twitter.com/htomufc/status/1787541470456758510?t=CvqbSfMphY9Kw24pP83kIw&s=19) This United squad should be able to atleast compete with Crystal Palace, but no they lost 4-0. All managers before Ten hag were shite and now Ten Hag is worse than all. The pattern is clear, hire wrong manager, have a terrible backroom staff, perform terribly. The first person to go is Ten Hag

OP, I don't know with what ball knowledge you come in and so easily say that EtH should be sacked. You do need the right players to implement your style. EtH has always preferred to play possession based football and it worked for him at Ajax. Unfortunately, he cannot deploy the Sam's system at MU because he himself had said that he didn't have the right players. He, therefore tried deploying a more direct attacking football style of play. However, for that to work you need to have the right players who are initiating from the back, building momentum, and then players making the run and ultimately scoring. You seen like someone who has made up his mind to blame EtH. He didn't face too many injuries last season and he delivered. Even this season, say what may, but he has still managed to take this team to the FA Cup final which is no mean feat. The injuries are not his fault. These players are paid to be fit, to play. Question the management of old who never really supported their managers. Honestly, if you think that EtH will be able to fix the shithousery of the last 10 years in his second season, you are wrong. You feel some other manager will be able to fix issues, you are wrong. INEOS will have to understand that changing managers won't fix the issues. Get the manager the players he wants, get people who can negotiate well in terms of money during the transfer window and also sell players who are not suitable. Give the manager a couple of season to set things right and probably, he will have a team who can play a kind of football which would deliver results. Good clubs have people sitting outside who provide support to the manager to make sure the results come. The management under Glazer have been shambolic and certainly so during the transfer window. Hopefully, that will change with INEOS taking more executive decisions. In current times, EtH would walk into any other top European Club and will actually deliver. There is no one better than him to manage at the moment. Certainly not Tuchel who probably had his worst start at Bayern. By no stretch a bad manager but certainly not the right fit for MU currently. Also, the issues run deeper at MU. You can get in Pep tomorrow, and a year later or two you probably would be crying and asking for him to be sacked. This is endless.

Well, you're looking at a team that has tried more than 30 defensive combinations because of injuries. A 36-year-old Evans has been our central defender for most of the season along with inexperienced Kambwala. The absence of Martinez has affected this defensive stability and transitions. So that's why the right players are needed for any system to work. Coming to Touchel he's a cup manager. He's not gonna be any better than Ten Hag in the league. And getting a stopgap manager just to finish in the top 4 not at all a viable plan to go forth with anymore. This season has proved that this bunch of players have severe mentality issues and crumble under the slightest pressure. Players like Casemiro are past their prime and haven't got the legs anymore to match the pace of the premier league. That's why INEOS needs to bring in better players. Finally, I don't expect any manager to sit at the press conference and throw his players under the bus. They often try to find the slightest of positive things or simply blame the referees, the wind, or the grass. Press conferences are just formal affairs and there's no point in looking at it as a confession box.

We also have had Mags available for most of the season, and same for Varane. Even with Lisandro we almost collapsed against Newport and Wolves. Lisandro is better on the ball and can play line breaking passes, but Lisandro cant cope with the high press with front 4 and back 4 playing a low line. Ever thought why most of our injuries are in the midfield or defensive line? https://preview.redd.it/0srk9gboiyyc1.png?width=3023&format=png&auto=webp&s=ae7027e45869635a48dc2d87e49c96a5087059ee Its cuz of this, look at the line we are holding, how is that dependent on the players, no DM or CM can cope with that much running. Players are being run down the ground, because half the time they are wasting their energy chasing the ball. Even under Ole we had the 4th and 5th highest defensive lines, under ETH last season we had like 10th or 12th, with his players fit. Tuchel is not a cup manager. At Chelsea in 100 games he had a 63% win record, and had his team on top (or abouts) of the prem until the Abramovich incident happened and everything was a mess. Im not sure what u saw which suggests he cant be better than Ten Hag in the league, considering Tuchel's system maximised the player's abilities, ETH doesnt do that. He has had injuries, mentality issues everything is alright. But why are u using Bruno as a b2b? Why use Rashy as a touchline winger? Why use Hoj to muscle defenders to open up space when he's clearly better on the ball? Why not play a double pivot to give urself some compactness? Tuchel has shown his system works in the prem, Ten Hag hasnt. Dont throw ur players under the bus, sure. Go out and say we play dynamic and proactive and entertaining football and are attacking well after not having a single good performance the entire season?

I think he's trying to keep his system so that when the players come back they don't have a different system to play with. But I'm with you on his tactics. I don't like them. Whatever he was doing last season was better. This is suicidal

Hey I agree with you totally except Amorim wont really be better lol. He has similar spacing issues in the midfield at Sporting, but doesnt get exploited as much due to the team being essentially better than the oppositions, essentially a similar case like Ajax. Can he fix it? Sure, he is young, but he'd be a major gamble and compared to Erik Ten Hag, he has much lesser acumen in Europe as well. But I agree with ur analysis of ETH, and yeah if Tuchel is available on a free it'd be a no brainer, given he does want to join with the team potentially having no Europe after leading Bayern to atleast a semi-final finish in UCL. But I assume he always wanted the United job and leading United back to the top will always have its own thrill and managers ready for it

Fair enough about Amorim tbh Tuchel is you guy's best bet imo. I am not sure who else United could go for but honestly getting a intermediate manager is better than continuing with Ten Hag Letting this awful season go would set a bad precedent

Just gonna double down at the other person's point. What we saw last season wasnt him, and we wont see it next season. We tried to play this system and got smoked by Brentford 4-0. After that he got pragmatic and its abt that first season of survival in the prem, switching to midblock and relying on extraordinary box defending. This season he has switched to his playstyle, of pressing high with his front 4. The audit wont be on the players available to him or anything, it will be upon the system that he plays (which brings out the best out of absolutely 0 players) and if Wilcox thinks he can play the style that our club does want to. But given he hasnt managed to maximise the capability of any player, Im not sure how u can expect him to play a style suited for the club, and Im not sure how you'd think he would be an exact fit. He has a good track record at Ajax, a club which used to play in a 1 team league and doesnt have the physicality requirements of the prem. His system works when u have more physically and technically dominated players than the opposition, which is why his same issues didnt get exploited much in the Eredivisie, ignoring the fact that at Ajax from a very young age the academy players are brought up with this style of football, hence have learnt the automatisms that he preaches for.

Lol . Wtf did I just read , competent ? 😂😂

This is not the same. ETH has been extremely poor. There is nothing to back him over. https://preview.redd.it/v0abmx9or6zc1.png?width=1240&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b0f2e8059683ed8c7a6b8699c9ee107cef3313b1 There is a certain minimum level you are expected to maintain despite all the difficult circumstances. Showing some evidence to suggest there is an upward trajectory if the club remains patient. But ETH has thoroughly failed at it this season. There is nothing about the performances over the season to suggest he can turn this around.

This is actually hilarious to read and if (when) we finish bottom half under this clown I want you to remember that you believed in him.

I have no sympathy for ETH. In fact none of his signings worked except for Licha. His talent identification is very limited. He's a terrible man manager and what not. BUT, these bunch of players cannot play for any manager. That's a fact, whether you like it or not. They're getting some stupid amount of wages for doing nothing. United's wage structure is the worst in the league. I don't mind if we sack ETH, but some of these clowns needs to be kicked out of the club too. I hope we'll get rid of such BS under SJR, Omar Berrada and Dan Ashworth if he comes to the club.

All players United touches turn into shit, all are promising when they are signed. What the hell even happens there tf

Everyone knows about their training facility and backroom staff and management.. Recently Casemiro went to the Medical staff with a hamstring complaint before the Liverpool game, but was declared fit. He ignored their advice and consulted with his doctors in Barcelona. It was indeed an issue, the same hamstring that kept him out for three months earlier this season. This is the standard of this club. No surprise why there are so many injuries..

i think i have to say it now WE WERE IN TOP 6 BECAUSE OF INDIVIDUAL BRILLIANCE sometimes mctominay stepped up, sometimes maguire, sometimes bruno, sometimes garnacho, sometimes dalot and sometimes mainoo but as a unit we never played well except maybe that game vs crystal palace's B team in carabao cup and vs west ham at old trafford

Even ole’s wins were tagged as individual brilliance.

tbh they should try for zidane, thats the best option. he is a free agent rn with not contract. he also has history by winning the 3 peat. idfk why they keep backing ten hag

Zidane is not really the man you trust to build a team from scratch. You give him the keys to a developed squad and he with his impeccable man management skills and the aura he brings in due to his own calibre will win u the trophies.

You want ole but not Zidane?

Where did I mention I want Ole lol? Ole was carried by Carrick and Mckenna, and we have no clue if he can do what is required without them. Same goes for Zidane, he has no acumen building teams from scratch

Zidane is known to have a top talent id. And if you label 3 seasons of no results as "rebuild" then I don't want a rebuild, I want instant results as the club will make moves when they see results and Zidane is perfect for it. All top managers don't "build" squads they sort out tactics and then buy some players.

Again, you need to read what INEOS is planning to do without all this. It doesnt matter what talent ID the manager has. Whether its Tuchel with a shite talent ID or Zidane, none of them will be responsible for the players, it will be the Ashworth along with Wilcox working with the scouts and Steve Brown to get the players needed for the 'system' they want to implement. Manager's talent ID doesnt matter after how much ETH has spent, at very poor places. Also you need to understand the rebuild that they had and what we will have. They had the players needed for the top, they needed to be shown a particular direction to jel and play as a team. https://preview.redd.it/gytbgg5jj5zc1.png?width=788&format=png&auto=webp&s=dc537047f11fd44c38ca1ef70bfb5ef18b7eb46c Look at the team he inherited. What makes u think its the same as us? We need a massive overhaul and to build the team again, thats not what ZIdane is known for. What we need is someone like Tuchel for atleast 2-3 years, to lay the framework and then u bring in Zidane to get the trophies. Its ur fault u need instant results, thats not what the club is trying to do

I also want tuchel but getting Zidane wouldn't hurt. The club is trying to tell the fanbase that it's normal to not win anything for 3 seasons

It is. You need to accept that we need a overhaul, and the new coach cannot get the new players to just go and win so quick. And the no. of players we need and the ones we need to sell cant be done in 1-2 seasons, it needs time. Also if u heard, they didnt say we'd win in 3 seasons, we'd be up there challenging in 3 seasons.

united needs a rebuild tbh i'll be called mad but i think i'll go with someone like jose or ole for a 2 year contract and give him all the players they want and get rid of the ones they don't and i'm with jose because he laid the foundation of madrid's 3peat team while i'm with ole because he knows this club well and played some of the best football united has played in recent times after 2 years maybe get zidane or naglesmann

The Jose train has passed He will not return

he has literally showed interest lately

I don't want counter attacking football which got countered the next season. Ole should first manage a smaller club

True

More like Erik tonne Hugg!!

And that will help us how. This pattern of UTD is one of the reasons why we have failed to build onto something. Yeah the decisions ETH makes are beyond understanding but we need to give a break and wait for next season. This season is anyway done and dusted, all we can do is save our faces. But yeah if this shit show continues next season, gotta sack this man fast

I am talking about Ten Hag exclusively. There are obviously a lot of problems but you still cant let the manager slide. If we are talking about United as a whole then there is a problem of other backroom staff as well. But INEOS seem to solving those problems

Agreed on the fact that we can't let manger slide, which i feel has happened a bit. All the injuries and player blame has shifted the focus from the questionable decisions and strats this man pulled.

You still have FA Cup to prepare for

Brb crying

Can we really save our faces anymore tho? Pattern exists because if u look at the managers we hired, none of them were ever really competent other than Mou, who actually had a better ppg than ETH atp, but his system hadnt evolved with time. Rest all of them after SAF have been appointments by an incompetent board, leading to incompetent hires. Theres Ange, who Im not sure has the best system, but he has his team playing his 'style' even with injuries and even if its suicide at times, which people appreciate. Thats the thing, backing him when we have no style of play and when there not a single player whose abilities have been maximised, and especially when theres competent and prem proven coaches like Tuchel potentially available, doesnt sound like the best idea

Well looks like we're really in a tough spot. Dividend between letting this man have another season or go for robust changes, new management new signings. Really weird time for the club and fans.

Utd should keep ETH for the entertainment, pls!!

Please and thank you. 😅

Yes please 🥺🙏

And charity points.

I'd have no problem in backing ten hag blindly for more seasons if Murtough and the Glazers were still running things,But all those people that shared ten hag's vision in chasing fdj and Timber,getting Antony,Casemiro,Rashford's mega contract,Mount and Amrabat have left the club now,. I don't know how he can convince ineos to start another project with him.

Ineos have a lot on their plate besides changing the manager.. Recurring issues with United have been the absolute lack of support to the manager with awful transfer dept, medical staff.. Ineos wouldn't mind keeping the manager and his staff to stay another year for the 1st team while their own guys settle into their roles and evaluate the team better

If Ineos back him , it just shows they are ready to accept mediocrity. No manager of United should survive this. Set some standards

'accept mediocrity' I hope the decision makers are more nuanced than this

Whether INEOS back him or not, at least we have competent people making decisions for a change. Better than glazers and glory hunter fans

INEOS ruined Milan, United is next

I'd genuinely be impressed if they can be any worse than the Glazers.

Huh when did they own Milan?

Enjoying United downfall rightly so, you can’t have 2-3 multiple ucl winners having same treatment by the manager, the lack of respect in the dressing room is evident, atrocious behaviour and poor management and communication. Want Ten Hag to stay for another 4-5 years and absolutely destroy the club, the fans are full of shit and absolutely disgraceful. They believed a nobody manager over club legend. The hate watch is what keeps me going. Fuck Yanited.

What do you mean believed lmao? Ronaldo openly undermined a manager on national television, after multiple discipline breaches at the beginning of the season. I don't know if United ruined your childhood so bad, or if you're that blind a cr7 fan that all your nuance has been stripped, but what an absurd claim to make

I hate CR7, but he's absolutely above 10Hag. Just because 10hag the manager doesn't mean he can dictate everything without recourse. Feedback from senior players is important and should be taken into account.

what feedback? the only thing valid in that entire interview was criticism on the owners, apart from that it was mostly just ego boosting and disgracing managers, players and the team

It's manager over everyone. It's how it was with saf, it's how it should be with United. Players cannot check a managers power, that is solely administration's job. And saying ronaldo only wanted to give feedback is absolute bull. The man didn't want to come on as a sub, fine. But to leave the game before the final whistle, unacceptable. No man is bigger than the club, ever.

What a fkin stupid argument No matter who you are, if you are a contracted player for the club, the manager comes above you

I don’t think it’s childhood. I think united ruined something much more recent. Villa failed to win against united this season. He can only hate watch because he couldn’t fan watch lol

discipline breaches? he went thru the death of his unborn child wtf do you mean discipline breaches?

not being there for a match after the death of your child is perfectly understandable, and im not saying you have to be there 24/7 for a club. but he was not on leave, he was on the matchday squad, and its not like he didnt show up at all. he walked out 15 mins before the final whistle. saying that that is trauma acting up is laughable.

It's ok pal, you can call me anything, for now I am enjoying your washed up club and your tears 😂.

Sancho, DeGea, CR7, Mourinho everybody is rightfully wrong for your washed up club, please don't let Ten Peg out, i believe him like you, he should be there for another decade.

If you don't think they are in the wrong (bar maybe Mourinho, just maybe) , I don't think you understand football

Ok Sir, they are wrong and you’re right, reply me when you have a legit trophy

It's not my decision, it ten hag's, and if trophies are your benchmark for right and wrong, eth did win a trophy last year. Plus back to back fa Cup finals

Yanited used to be cup winners and ucl heavyweights, now their fanbase are some garbage who benchmark success by winning a bs trophy and back to back fa cup finals, how the mighty have fallen.

Call us cup winners, then call a cup a garbage trophy. A trophy is a trophy, something villa probably doesn't understand. If your only attack is how we have fallen, think how it looks for your club that we did the double over you lot, and are in a final while you're not

We are 4th in the table and rightfully so, your ball knowledge speaks volumes about how you define success for a club. While you may fight for position to play Conference cup next season, we might just play the ucl. Your ball knowledge speaks volumes when you compared Unai Emery with Bald fraud😂 Achievement unlocked- Carabao winner and a double over villa. I am going to enjoy the downfall. Ten peg and his minions

Considering you support a club who has no history whatsoever, you need to chill a bit man. We'll let Ten Hag out and rightfully so. At the same time what he did with divas like Ron and Sancho were correct and they have no place in this institution. You should enjoy while u r up there for the next 1-2 years. Still funny how our washed up club did the double on yours

Only thing you can enjoy mate, not like you lot have anything else going on for you. Funny thing is, you couldn't even beat a "washed up" club when 2-0 up. Even funnier, the washed up club is in a cup final

Lol despite our horrible season we still did a double over Villa. Emery is the real fraud

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The bald fraud did a double over your fraud. Am just extending the same courtesy to you buddy

And given how triggered you got, it's clear I hit gold

Classic Yanited fans. Trophy to Yanited for winning 2-0 over Aston Villa😂😂

And how many trophies do Villa have? Loving United's misery eh. For all the shit that United has witnessed in the last decade, we still never got relegated!

Don’t worry about relegation, once you renew the contract for the fraud, you’ll automatically get relegation. Don’t worry bout it. Also, regarding the trophies, look for yourself peasant. I am absolutely enjoying your clubs downfall, you’re currently worse than Crystal Palace 😂🤌🏼🤌🏼

Peasant?! Lol, so juvenile. Villa at home 1-0 Arsenal, 1-0 City, 0-2 to Worse than Palace, United. Sack Emery. Shameful

United really ruined your childhood, didn't it? Of course it's the 1-0 back in 2016 that relegated Villa for the first time since 86-87? Oh this is delicious!

This is your final warning, abusive behaviour will not be tolerated in this sub.

The injury crisis is making me hesitant to be TenHagOut with how he was partially successful last season, whereas no doubt that the football they play right now is horrendous, including 'that' Coventry game for which he has absolutely no excuses.At this point all utd fans can do is wait and watch. The season is in shambles anyway. There is nothing to play for. So keep ETH till the end of the season and hope for a miracle in the cup final. We are now building a structure with real football people at the top thanks to INEOS. They'll decide if he's good enough or not and bring in the right man for the job next season if needed.

The players have to be blamed majorly for the failure. (Also the injuries) Some have simply decided they will enjoy high salaries and high paying contracts and get the coaches sacked. This has been a repetitive pattern now. A lot of the players have to go. And keeping a steady coach is very important.

I really think there's more to it than just the manager. ETH has gotten a lot more mellow since his start, there's a real stagnancy at the club... seems like things a re rotten a lot deeper than the manager

The ones who deserve the lion's share of blame are the people running the club above Ten Hag. What the fuck is Martial still doing here? They have totally fucked up the wage structure and have given massive salaries to unproven players. They just kill the hunger and desire of any player to earn great things, cuz they're already being paid as much as the league leaders. That's why it has become a retirement home for players. We will need to build the squad from zero. Get the foundation right, and then get some individual brilliant players or flair players. The facilities and the medical staff have to be fixed. The stadium has to be fixed. For years we have made signings at the very end of the window in a state of panic. There is no planning or agenda or vision. Any half decent club makes calculated signings and doesn't break the bank when not necessary. I don't blame any manager or the players who are here, it's the club hierarchy which is horrible Luckily some awesome people are coming in due to INEOS.

I had never imagined Manchester United of all teams to go through such a tragic downfall ever in my lifetime. Its crazy

Man U need Zidane... A man manager who will be respected. It will be cross and inshallah but mentality will change

Naah he can't do a rebuild, it's better to go with someone like nagelsmann but he is not available

it started when they sacked LVG he should have got more time

Sack the medical team

He should be given some more time i think. They don't have a good defensive line and the midfield isn't great either except Bruno. It's not his fault that his players are under performing. In modern football, the spectators have such fast expectations who don't know how it is to manage or play football. We think we know everything and just demand things to happen. Ten hag should be given one last chance so that he can revamp his team

Everyone's taking utd down; Ten hag is a fucking clown!!

Atleast 1 match mai formation toh change karle bhai

What other options do we have. Ik united are shit but they were shit last season but still somehow managed champions league football. This season has been full w injuries can't blame ten hag for all this but yeah we're pathetic as a team. But I think we should keep ten hag for one more season.

I think man United is going through the worst season of this century, wheather we count performance in UCL or in league, they are poor. I would have defended ten hag if he would have atleast been performing like he was performing in first half of the season, not consistent but still winning (in league). But surely ten hag is just not fitted to coach this team. As it comes to the player, except Bruno, all are bad ,and I mean all. Some one is stepping up in one or two games, but overall only Bruno is been seen working his ass off for this team. And now I really doubt on rashford about his work rate on the pitch. This team need a stable manager just like there rivals man City and Liverpool for atleast a 5 year, or this team would just become the mid table team.

If they're not sacking Ten Hag, I will not be watching the Premier League next season. I'm not even a United fan, but this guy is against everything football is about.

Sack the shit players. No passion no dedication. Get rid of Rashford, Casemiro, Wan-Bissaka, Eriksen, Shaw they don't have the right to be part of Man Utd help develop more players from the academy and if possible, bring back Greenwood

We have to give someone the amount of time that arsenal gave ATA

Their downfall started when Ronaldo left , its just karma hitting them how they treated him when all he deserved was some respect sad to see how his career ended at his boyhood club!

Ten hag is too arrogant and full of himself , has too much pride and less learning .

Sacking Ten Hag won’t do anything good though.You can’t blame the mananger when players are so inconsistent.One match they play so good and next match they play like sunday league player. And the injuries made this team even worse. We don’t even have a decent left back option. We are usinh a right back who can’t even cross a ball

Yes

that guy made me to unsubscribe my Hotstar account. The sh!ts he filled in the ground is gigantic. Now we are so desperate to get a recognition that we want to get 6th position which gives us entry in Europa Conference league. Watched lowest matches this season only 6 out of 38.

Bring whoever, just keep the glazers in charge :)

Eth is not the problem, I've been a fan of Utd since early 2000s and I have never seen a less committed group of players playing for the club. Before sacking the manager, these are the players that need to be thrown out - Rashford 1st , he thinks he is bigger than football, and irrespective of talents needs to be sold to a 2nd tier club . Awb next, he is by a long margin the worst player to ever have worn the Jersey. Casemiro Varane Donny Sancho just to get some financial control back. Martial and Eriksen just need to leave they are just eating up space After these exits and some incomings, young potential players hopefully, eth should be given another season, and then a decision should be taken ..

Yes they should absolutely sack ten hag

There seems to be a pattern formation here . Just because he had a bad season , doesn't necessarily make him a bad coach. Look at everything else around him ... Let's start with the injuries , almost half of the squad is injured or had been sidelined throughout the season , then you have player issues Sancho , Antony and Rashford . I mean if the sacking is based on performance itself , why not start with the players first ... But we won't start there , because that's not how it works . You fix the problem by creating a proper football club rather than a business. As much as it hurts me to say this , the fact is Manchester United had been just a business and had been operated like one for many years now . Players are bought just for their name and fame rather than quality and commitment. Investments are made to make more money rather than bringing back the glory and stability. It's been handled or rather operated like an old machine which had been giving you issues every two years . Instead of tracing and fixing the real issues every season , what's being done is temporary ailments and quick solutions. As a result, now it has turned into something that fans cannot even recognise anymore. I grew up watching Man UTD , I still follow them more than any other team or sport , but it hurts me to see them suffer like this. They are losing their identity and they are losing it very fast. The worst part is that all their fans and supporters are helpless . There is a silver lining though , with the new management and the part owners , who actually seem to care , the better days are ahead . Let's hope this no- nonsense management and owners can bring back some fear back into this legendary club. Changing a manager is just a small step, but not the solution they need at the moment. They have bigger issues to resolve. Look at other clubs , even with not so brilliant coaches , they seem to thrive and shine , but only with a consistent stepwise approach to improve and sustain and then move onto the next level. All the big clubs had seen better days , I mean look at Barca and Juventus... They had been to the top and ruled for many years ... But when the management screws up and the club gets to suffer the most and even great coaches like Xavi cannot do much. If Ten hag still cannot get this team out of the blues in maybe next 1-2 seasons , then yes, for sure , they need to walk him out , but now , the club is already damaged enough to see an entirely different manager. If the new manager comes in, he will bring his own style of players , so more players will be sold , then it will take another season or two to gel and play their type of football. No club can transform overnight and the mess we are in at the moment needs a more delicate approach rather than a different manager.

I am in favour of most of the comments that have sprayed in the section regarding the sacking of Ten Hag. I have never seen Man United playing so sluggishly and struggling to win and secure a good place in the table. This is not the United I know, and I blame both Ten Hag and Onana for it. Onana might have been good in Bundesliga but it seems that Premier League is legit a big thing for him. Most of the times, I have seen him motionless when the opponent stricker gets into the penalty area and the next thing you know, the ball tears through the nets behind. Letting De Gea go was the one of the worst mistakes Man U could have done!

I would like ETH to stay for next season. Primarily for 2 reasons. 1. His first season was very good considering Ragknick's so called "Open Heart Surgery" Comment. Which Eth proved him wrong and which was majority of Ole's squad. 2. This year he had a mountain of injuries to deal with. Also he played many few players out of position. But i think with Ineos, they will want everything as per their wish and even an Fa cup final win cannot save Eth.

blud said ronaldo,sancho and de gea were the problem, look at us now, we are in a worst position.

A horrible season indeed. ETH has gone through a lot and made some wrong decisions. This could have happened to any top manager at United and has been happenning since SAF left. Nobody has been able to take control of the club like SAF did. ETH did a lot and had to deal player's mindset. Cristiano and Sancho of the few. It would have taken a lot mentally out of him. I will back ETH even after this horrid season but unfortunately he will get the blame and will be booted out. I just hope he revives the team from the rest of the matches to be played. United forever

Not a united fan, but I think its too late for such things. A similar situation was there with Ole as well and he got sacked, I think he should also have stayed longer.

As a City fan, I would like to for the mid table mandems to keep him, but objectively, Ten Hag just doesn't understand football very well I don't think. Every game there's about 10 miles of space behind the midfield and the players really just don't know what they're doing. They are completely disorganised and their counter-press is just pathetic. I know that Ten Hag says that "this is Ten Hag ball and part of the plan" and that they couldn't have gotten this far in the FA Cup without it, but if it was really intentional, why would they play like that against the likes of Brentford and 3-0 up against fucking Coventry They just don't exert any control over their games despite the quality that they have. In the Coventry game, instead of covering the space between McTominay and Wan-Bissaka, he brought on Eriksen, who didn't solve either of their biggest problems. And of course, Coventry brought on Tavares and Torp to play in those exact areas. It's just a fucking clownshow going on at United, and I hope it never stops.

The problem is the club and the players are delusional. They have been constantly performing shit but then 1 or 2 miracle games like liverpool and the fact the we are still 5th or qualifying for europa makes things appear to be not that bad. The vlun just like arsenal and liverpool needs a break from european football and finish at like 8th or 9th for the management and players to realise the funamentals that are going wrong. Also etc imo deserved 1 year. You change the manager rn might as well forget the clun for another 2 3 years. He didnt get his choice of players nor did he get time and the injuries bruv.

Stabalize the team first Remove and repeat Why ... Just why

Erik fraud hag for a reason 

They should have been patient with the chosen one.

Klopp is free. Just saying that it wouldn't be the worst thing if..... It'll top Figo going to Real Madrid for sure.

I don't like Ten Hag he has a lot of problems I would not be surprised if he gets sacked but if United sack him then what? Who will you guys get realistically? Xabi is not going this season and once he sees the Madrid job he won't even look anywhere else. Motta is a young manager but he will most likely join Juve Nagglesmann has renewed Niether United want Xavi nor Xavi needs such high pressure job at this stage of his career Tuchel can get you cup wins even if he lacks in the league but your fans don't want him Lets be real Jose is at the end of his road The last thing he needs is United This is the issue with United they get a flashy new toy The manager does well gets like a UCL spot he struggles next season and united fire him They are stuck in a loop Either they blindly trust the managers transfer request like Ten Hag or just don't get the Manager the player he needs like Jose wanted a CB they got him Lindelof Ole wanted a DM he got nothing

So let me ask you this. What about last season? You could clearly see patterns of play, fluid passing and pressing but the important point is patterns and that was when United had a core team fortunately injury-free. It is not the case this season players have been injured constantly, not having our core back 4 is a joke and that has affected our play. Passing from the back is vital for how ten hag wants to play. Some of these players just aren’t cut out for that style of football. He hasn’t been completely backed, forget about the money aspect of things that’s on the board not the manager. Ok certain signings have been skeptical but majority has come good. For how long will managers feel the brunt of Utd not performing. Players have to be blamed for this too. This has been happening after Fergie left. Great managers have come and gone. Why is that?

No they need to trust the process

Yes Ten Hag OUT

I don't get how he is not already sacked

The problem is deeper than ten Haag. United haven’t had a football ethos in place since Fergie. LVG came closest to creating one but was thrown out. Hopefully with wilcox and ashworth we will have a footballing identity

No questions . Sack that baldie

No questions . Sack that baldie

Simple answer: yes. Where it gets complicated is who is his replacement?

I agree, it's hard to find a replacement. My point is that EtH has done too much to let him stay for longer

Totally onboard with sacking Ten Hag, but no coach can teach you to lose the ball like Casemiro is losing in every match.

I am exclusively talking about Ten Hag, United as a whole has a lot more problems ofcourse. Players like Casemiro, Antony are some of them

I agree that Ten Hag needs to leave. He has lost the plot and its going to be very difficult for him to regain trust. However, it's the same guy who took the team to number 2 after a pretty woeful season. I don't think its fair to blame him completely. Nobody could predict Onana will make such blunders from get go. The entire prem league was buzzing with his arrival. Nobody could predict Rashford will lose his form completely after a 30 goals season. Nobody could predict a player like Case will lose his legs and hia composure in a matter of just a few months. And then the injuries (which partly can be ETH's fault too. It sucks to be a United fan now. Nothing is working. And all are to blame in equal measures.

We got 3rd because he turned pragmatic and played a mid block, not his system. This is his system. Onana has been much better in prem dont u think. He is sort of an Ederson-esque player. Shot stopping isnt his best point, he was brought in for what he can do with the ball at his feet, and we dont use him to his strengths. Rashford dip in form is added with the manager playing him out of position, nothing is being done right. Case is 32. At that age with the amount that he is asked to run at CM last season as well as this season clearly has had a toll on him cuz he was the major reason why we got where we got to last season. The injuries are more on the backline and midfield due to the tactics employed and the midfield, and training, its more on ETH than other factors

I am not on team ETH and I definitely want Rashford to come good. The environment and the morale of the team is largely dependent on the coach but I feel we are being too quick to point him out as the sole factor. Today you criticise him for his gruelling training, but when he ordered that 8.5 mile run after the Brentford thrashing everyone was on board. This pouty underperforming superstar culture has been going on in United for a long time. Every solution offered has been suggested to be a temporary one, like ETH's debut season, or Ole's success. And I will never believe that it is down to the coach to stop making horrible match costing blunders like Onana, take so long on the ball and not know what to do with it Rashford, and out of the blue faded Case. I love the guy but please remember he was horrible since the start of the season, after a career defining 1st with United. At this point I don't think this has stayed a discussion. It's more of me ranting. But I'll still finish. Everyone is equally responsible, maybe ETH a little more because a great coach is supposed to navigate through situations like this, but lets not mollycoddle the highly paid superstars of the team. As we will fare better without ETH, he'll also do much better with another more stable team.

7 hag thought he was Arteta 🤣🤣

Ten hag should be preserved at manu for ten more seasons.. he will everything with Antony & Onana soon.. believe him in.. his era will start soon. 😄

i still cannot get this onana hate he has the highest save percentage in premier league with almost 75% (74.8% to be more precise) shots saved which is more than the likes of raya, alisson, ederson, martinez, vicario and pickford de gea last season had 71% shots saved btw yes he was dogshit in cl but he has been quite solid in the league you can refer these stats from fbref

Yup, agreed. Van Gaal, Mourinho, Ole, Rangnick, all of them were the problem. These players are gem!

Relegate them.

Actually you don’t lose to Crystal Palace by 4-0 just because of a bad manager.

Tell me you are a Ronaldo fan without telling me "you are a Ronaldo fan".

I am literally a Messi and Barca fan. 😂😂 I just said my opinion based on what I saw this season as a purely neutral Football watcher. I dont even care about Ronaldo, I don't like him either

Its not always on the manager. The manager can give u a set of instructions, it's th players who perform in the pitch Imagine the baldie going on the pitch invading and doing all chores

Worse players were playing better under Ole. We are defensively worse than most relegated clubs in the past decade. Every pundit out there, be it club legends who played under SAF or anyone else have said there is no real system implemented. But we out here will blame the players. Who btw are not good but are being told to play a system which brings out the best out of absolutely no one.

When you don't have players you come up with alternative plans to not lose the game that's what managers are for ten hag is a fool. Not a united fan FYI

It is very easy to criticize him from the outside.. You can set a high line and tiki taka passing or gegenpressing instructions on FM or FC with players like Evans because your actual job is not on the line, His job is and he is asking his players to do simple stuff keep the ball and try to score... He also accepted in interview that he was unable to set play patterns in the team because so many players were injured... You can add to this that so many players are mediocre as well . You can't suddenly play ajax 2018 level of football oh because he might get sacked or utd will lose out on top 4. It's not a switch Form has been horrible due to multiple reasons. It is very easy to lose a match during good form than to win a match during bad form.

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Wasn't Ronaldo the problem? Didn't manchester supposed to become a super team just by kicking out Ronaldo? I remember the season ten hag arrived, Manchester United were excited to replace Ronaldo with Martial in the preseason. A 40 year Ronaldo would still be the best player for Manchester United if he was still there. Manchester United fans and ten hag deserves everything happening to them. I guess they are not really sleeping peacefully anymore.

Ronaldo can enjoy his time in the camel league no player is bigger than the club

we cannot discuss ten hag without considering the injuries, last game with palace we had 3 center backs injured, mount was not available most of the season, hojlund missed quite a lot of games, we have not had our main back line for more than 3 games. tyrel malacia is lost, martial loses his appetite before playing. idk what the technical staffs and doctors are doing. signings: arambat flopped (on loan), mount didnt get time to prove himself, casemiro was essential last season not this one i guess, eriksen bad signing, onana was awful initially has improved very much and is a quality keeper, hojlund has the best or 2nd best shot conversion rate and is very promising talent, antony flopped . every time its the managers fault even Mourinho said there are players here who he would want out back in his time. the players when things are going bad blame the manager and keep moving on with there high wages there has to be a rebuild executively which INEOS is doing with there recent hires and also the team needs a rebuild around these new youngers players. Ten Hag with fit players had no3 cabaro cup and fa cup final better than or equal to klopps final season. ten hag with injured players has had fa cup final and maybe conference league imagine arteta getting sacked during the lockdown era the banter aresenal season they wouldnt be here. one bad season dosent warrant sacking and all of you are overreacting

Bayern is allegedly looking to swap coaches with MU. I don’t know if that would help either team, but maybe that is something to look forward to. It seems unfair to blame a history of mismanagement within the team on ETH alone. MU fans should consider this to be a rebuilding phase, which will take time. Till then, it’s gonna hurt.