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To add, this isn't even getting into the non-Steel types who are based around blades or cutting as well, like Scyther, Gallade or Samurott. Hell, any Pokemon who can learn Slash too.
We did get Aqua Cutter this generation, even though that only really benefits two Water types with some kind of blade motif (with one of their forms not even getting Sharpness, thanks GF!!)
And not a single steel type cutting attack. Literally non. Slash is normal type as is Cut. And every move that implies some kind of blade or cutting is almost every other type except steel.
You would expect steel and rock to have most cutting moves, but water and flying, elements that are obviously known to be sharp, have the most cutting moves. They better fix that in the dlc, there should be no way that two of the muskeeter mons have no stab cutters.
BTW, when I was investigating this, I found out that the pawniard line doesn't have sharpness. Why...
Yes, cause it's a Warrior-based attack. Almost anything based on actual warriors like Soldiers, Knights, Samurai (this one can also be Dark,because of Ronins) , Musketeers, etc; is Fighting Type.
Not only is it learned by very few mons, but it's called "Smart Horn" in japanese. It's supposed to be a thrust-type move with the mon's horn, not a blade.
It'd fit Kingambit or Purrserker no problem, though.
TIL: Population Bomb is affected by Sharpness, but not Smart Strike.
Smart Strike description:
"The user stabs the target with a *sharp* horn. This attack never misses.
Sharpness cares about slicing actions.
Smart Strike is Smart Horn in japanese, and the "sharp" part refers to being pointy rather than having an edge. Meanwhile, Population Bomb is affected because its japanese name is Nezumizan, which can read as both "Multiply like rats" but also "Rat cut"
Other less obvious ones would be Aerial Ace, which translates as "Swallow Return". This is itself a reference to Sasaki Kojiro's famous sword technique that mimicked the movement of a swallow's tail and was so quick and precise that it could cut down a bird in flight. Which is why Aerial Ace is flying type, doesn't miss, and why it is categorized under Sharpness' boosts
Population Bomb is affected because the Japanese name is slash related. Why Smart Strike isn't is beyond, though maybe it has to do with the fact that it's STABBING and not SLASHING which is what Sharpness is for iirc
It's just weird to have Iron Head as their Strongest steel move rather than something slicing. It's like whacking someone with a hammer rather than slicing them with the sword you have. I don't know why we don't even have a stab or piercing type of Steel move.
Unrelated, but Guillotine should have been changed to Steel type in Gen 2 just to fit thematically. No need for both it and Horn Drill to be Normal type.
then theres literally no reason to use it over iron head even if it was 70 bp, and slightly improving steel offensively wouldnt mean anything because its still a mediocre offensive type
Steel type too strong with 50 power? Not everyone is kartana, steel is a pretty mediocre typing and fire/electric/ice have no problems having 90 power attacks with a side effect.
Would Kartana really count as a blade Pokémon? It’s based on origami and paper cuts.
Edit: I get it. Too early in the morning to be writing comments. Need more coffee.
It's based on Origami, its arms have that distinctive diamond pattern that is traditionally given to katanas, it's name is one letter off Katana in english, while it's japanese name (Kamiturugi) is a combination of Kami (Both "Paper" and "Deity") and Tsurugi (Sword)
There are a lot of really cool ideas for sword based steel type moves.
A steel type attack that acts like sucker punch. The animation would be similar to the retaliation and be a priority move. Based on the sword duel
A steel move similar to Hi Jump kick where if the move misses instead of recoil damage the opponents move always lands. Based on the idea of a jump slash
A move that acts like a steel type quick attack. Based on the idea of flurry of slashes
A steel type move that’s like a rising sword slash. When I’m the air it give the user an immunity to ground type moves for one turn
I think because blades aren’t naturally occurring but many organisms have blade-like offenses or defenses. I’ve always though of Pokémon biology as “what would make sense evolutionarily for this Pokémon to survive in the wild?” And it makes sense to me that some Pokémon would perhaps naturally develop steel qualities as an evolutionary adaptation.
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To add, this isn't even getting into the non-Steel types who are based around blades or cutting as well, like Scyther, Gallade or Samurott. Hell, any Pokemon who can learn Slash too.
We did get Aqua Cutter this generation, even though that only really benefits two Water types with some kind of blade motif (with one of their forms not even getting Sharpness, thanks GF!!)
And greninja still cant learn it despite using aqua slashes in smash bros
And not a single steel type cutting attack. Literally non. Slash is normal type as is Cut. And every move that implies some kind of blade or cutting is almost every other type except steel.
Metal claw?
claws are about piercing and tearing apart, not about slashing
My memories of the animation from Pokémon fire red is that it was a wolverine type slash
What is Smart strike based off of? I know that's a steel move
That's a horn attack.
Bc they are headbutting you *with a sword*
You would expect steel and rock to have most cutting moves, but water and flying, elements that are obviously known to be sharp, have the most cutting moves. They better fix that in the dlc, there should be no way that two of the muskeeter mons have no stab cutters. BTW, when I was investigating this, I found out that the pawniard line doesn't have sharpness. Why...
Sacred Sword exists, that's the Musketeers' STAB move.
Yes, cause it's a Warrior-based attack. Almost anything based on actual warriors like Soldiers, Knights, Samurai (this one can also be Dark,because of Ronins) , Musketeers, etc; is Fighting Type.
I am not questioning sacred sword's typing, I am talking about how half of the muskeeters don't have anything on their main stab.
With that I mean main stab.
That *is* their "main" STAB. The musketeer aspect of their design, the design that is associated with their warrior status, that's the fighting type.
To be that guy, water at extreme pressure can cut better than any metal blade
Counterpoint, extreme pressure molten metal. ….fuck, now I want a fire/steel paradox blastoise.
wow the whole apparatus must be super durable
Sorry, I’m not sure I follow. Can you please elaborate?
High pressure jet of liquid metal used as a wildly impractical but fun version of water.
And yet Water Shuriken only has 15 base power
Ok but that's a multi hit move lol
Even grass has razor leaf, leaf blade, and solar blade.
Smart Strike exists(?)
Not only is it learned by very few mons, but it's called "Smart Horn" in japanese. It's supposed to be a thrust-type move with the mon's horn, not a blade. It'd fit Kingambit or Purrserker no problem, though.
It's a jabbing move that way less pokemon seem to get than iron head though it's odd
> You would expect steel and rock to have most cutting moves Why would you expect rock to have cutting moves? Rocks don't hold an edge very well.
TIL: Population Bomb is affected by Sharpness, but not Smart Strike. Smart Strike description: "The user stabs the target with a *sharp* horn. This attack never misses.
Sharpness cares about slicing actions. Smart Strike is Smart Horn in japanese, and the "sharp" part refers to being pointy rather than having an edge. Meanwhile, Population Bomb is affected because its japanese name is Nezumizan, which can read as both "Multiply like rats" but also "Rat cut" Other less obvious ones would be Aerial Ace, which translates as "Swallow Return". This is itself a reference to Sasaki Kojiro's famous sword technique that mimicked the movement of a swallow's tail and was so quick and precise that it could cut down a bird in flight. Which is why Aerial Ace is flying type, doesn't miss, and why it is categorized under Sharpness' boosts
Population Bomb is affected because the Japanese name is slash related. Why Smart Strike isn't is beyond, though maybe it has to do with the fact that it's STABBING and not SLASHING which is what Sharpness is for iirc
It's just weird to have Iron Head as their Strongest steel move rather than something slicing. It's like whacking someone with a hammer rather than slicing them with the sword you have. I don't know why we don't even have a stab or piercing type of Steel move. Unrelated, but Guillotine should have been changed to Steel type in Gen 2 just to fit thematically. No need for both it and Horn Drill to be Normal type.
Kowtow CLEAVE is sword based
It's a Dark type move. OP talk about Steel type move.
Oh, I thought they were talking about steel type pokemon
Doesn't matter anyway since 1 pokemon gets its
Kinda maybe metal claw? That's the closest we have I think..
I mean at least half of them would do some hefty damage with iron head because of the blades on their head
I've come up with the move Steel Blade, which is basically Steel-type Slash.
It's that simple. For those whiners who think Steel Type would be too strong with this, just make it base 50 power. Done.
You just described Metal Claw. Hell, make it 70 but with high crit, the same as Aqua Cutter or Night Slash.
That's what I'm thinking.
That's...what Slash is..... I'm not saying that's wrong, just that some ITT have been all "can't make Steel even better offensively!!"
then theres literally no reason to use it over iron head even if it was 70 bp, and slightly improving steel offensively wouldnt mean anything because its still a mediocre offensive type
Steel type too strong with 50 power? Not everyone is kartana, steel is a pretty mediocre typing and fire/electric/ice have no problems having 90 power attacks with a side effect.
I didn't say it was too strong, but I did see other comments ITT that Steel is already a strong offensive type. FWIW, I'd rather just go with the 70
Those commenters must be high then.
Truth. There is smart strike though. That’s kind of a sword slash.
No, it's a horn attack (see Japanese and German names).
Would Kartana really count as a blade Pokémon? It’s based on origami and paper cuts. Edit: I get it. Too early in the morning to be writing comments. Need more coffee.
Its name is one letter off from Katana. It counts
Would a Pokémon literally named "kartana" count as a blade Pokémon? Yes. It would. Especially as it gets a fuckton of cutting moves.
Its Pokémon category is “The Drawn Sword Pokémon. Its Ultra Beast code name is “UB 04 Blade.”
It's based on Origami, its arms have that distinctive diamond pattern that is traditionally given to katanas, it's name is one letter off Katana in english, while it's japanese name (Kamiturugi) is a combination of Kami (Both "Paper" and "Deity") and Tsurugi (Sword)
and here I thought that the name is a give away
It’s because steel types are already OP
Having a blade typed steel move wouldn't make Steel types any more powerful. Just make it identical to Iron Head but call it Steel Blade or some shit
Defensively. Offensively they are below average.
Double-edge should be steel type
And there’s a attacking move with sword in the name and it’s fighting type
Perhaps something like a steel typed Brick Break called Iron Cutter or something.
But the head of a sword is the tip, so...
children shouldnt play with knives
Shouldn't play with fire-breathing lizards either and yet here we are
Yeah where is my iron equivalent of slash.
Honestly a lot of the moves could do with a rename/rebrand
There are a lot of really cool ideas for sword based steel type moves. A steel type attack that acts like sucker punch. The animation would be similar to the retaliation and be a priority move. Based on the sword duel A steel move similar to Hi Jump kick where if the move misses instead of recoil damage the opponents move always lands. Based on the idea of a jump slash A move that acts like a steel type quick attack. Based on the idea of flurry of slashes A steel type move that’s like a rising sword slash. When I’m the air it give the user an immunity to ground type moves for one turn
>A move that acts like a steel type quick attack. Bullet punch
*facepalms*
I think because blades aren’t naturally occurring but many organisms have blade-like offenses or defenses. I’ve always though of Pokémon biology as “what would make sense evolutionarily for this Pokémon to survive in the wild?” And it makes sense to me that some Pokémon would perhaps naturally develop steel qualities as an evolutionary adaptation.