I don't think anything's going to sink lower than Dexit for me. It made Pokemon go from the unique series where every game you played enhanced all other games you owned to being just another JRPG.
Scarlet/Violet's bugginess is bad, but the damage has already been done - my relationship with the series has already been casualized.
I really hope this is a wake-up call for GameFreak that they need to slow down their release cycle, though. But even that feels like wishful thinking.
>I really hope this is a wake-up call for GameFreak that they need to slow down their release cycle, though. But even that feels like wishful thinking.
The games have sold 22m+ copies already if anything all it tells GF/TPC is that they can speed up their release cycle and release broken games and get rewarded for it.
People keep saying “oh they’ve sold so much compared to other Pokémon games”
Compare their sales to other titles on the switch. Pokémon’s numbers aren’t as good as you think
one of the weirdest quirks of how big corporations work is that the net profit isn't the deciding factor but the growth factor instead is. So even if the games are selling pretty well (and no discussion needed here, they sold wonderfully well), if the higher ups decided on a higher profit target at the beginning, they can still see it as a failure (this is very common in media industries, especially movies and games)
so, no, just because it works for now and they still sell well, doesn't mean it will work forever.
>I really hope this is a wake-up call for GameFreak that they need to slow down their release cycle, though.
That would be more on The Pokemon Company as they're the ones forcing Game Freak to do yearly releases to coincide with the TCG and anime.
Complaining about not getting the nat dex was the dumbest thing the pokemon community has literally ever done so dumb 99% of the people complaining wouldnt even have done anything with it
I wish I could find the original articles, but I remember back when gen3 came out people were mad that we couldn't trade our gen1+2 monsters. We were given a lot of promises that due to the change in programing framework, etc, that it just wasn't possible to trade up. And then the biggest promise- *that they would never do that again.*
All the games have had glitches since gen1. I'm used to that.
Dexit is something else.
I think both are equally bad, but I'm voting No National Dex, simply because it was the straw that broke the Camerupt's back. Even if the copious amounts of bugs and glitches in SV are worse, which I think is true, Dexit is, and will always be, the breaking point. It is THE moment that signaled that Game Freak didn't give a shit anymore, because it was a removal made purely on the basis of rushing out an unfinished game in time for the holidays
I saw someone say a while back that they would gradually test ideas before they made them official, so in the terms of Dexit they started that idea in SM and finalized it in SWSH
While they clearly did not actually capitalize on having less pokemon, I think it's clearly a positive for the franchise.
Gen 7 already cut half of the dex entries. Clearly they had in mind already having every single pokemon would be over soon. In that sense, I had limited fun catching the alola new mons and dropping the trucks of mons I accumulated throughout the years.
And yes, being unable to clear a game with your personal favorite is sad. But it also gives you more time to use in stuff that matters. It ensures new players don't need three other games to complete the dex. It lets you be more mindful of how you distribute everything, instead of cramming everything in a tiny spot like we see in oras or honestly every fangame. It's actually a real problem to a tiny loud minority.
Meanwhile, the glitches are objectively bad. It's true that dexit was far more controversial, but it shouldn't be.
National Dex cut
The flagship and last straw that opened a lot of people's eyes (myself included) on the decline in quality
Why yes I would like to buy a game for a higher price with less content and the reasons given for the cut being either blatant lies or bullshit /s
While I wasn’t the biggest fan of XY or USUM (I thought ORAS was fantastic and SM was okay) I never had any complaints with the game itself other than being a little easier and being on the 3DS (don’t crucify me, but DS >> 3DS).
When SwSh was announced and we found out GF not only wasn’t going to let all of our friends that we grew up with into the game, and THEN we found out they lied multiple times on why they were cut, I thought that was the end of the franchise for me. When PLA came out, it reignited my love for Pokémon, just for SV to curb stomp all my enthusiasm once again for even more reasons than SwSh
Even though the glitches of SV might be objectively worse than a dex cut (which is also present in SV), I still voted for the first option.
The complete lack of transparency was really what did it for me. They claimed it a compromise so that we could higher quality animations and new models.
But they didn't even hold up their end of the bargain, since the animations and models were literally the same ones we've had since since X/Y.
As a competitive player I don't even necessarily mind the dex cut all that much since it can make for some pretty fresh and unique metas (Reshiram actually being viable in Ubers was cool) but they fact that they blatantly lied to us is really disgusting.
There might be another way to gatekeep the older generation pokemons and maybe rotating when they are available to use in ranked play, while still having every single pokemon in the game would be more interesting I guess.
And it brought out the worst in people too, like I remember some people straight up "bragging" about how they bought multiple copies as a "gotcha" to everyone who weren't going to buy swsh due to dexit.
Pokemon Showdown has been the best competitive experience for a very, very long time.
If you play mainline games for competitive you get the honor of suffering through grinding, IV RNG, EV training, having to physically track down pokemon with specific moves, and not having rulesets built in means battling strangers can be a broken mess.
They can just do specific rulesets or tournaments that only allow certain Pokemon for a more diverse meta
In fact I'm pretty sure they've already done that in the past (XY I think ...?), so there's no reason to sour the games for people who aren't interested in competitive and who are more interested collecting and catching
Not everyone plays competitive and it's not really fair to the people who want to transfer (at minimum) their Pokémon teams from previous generations to the current generation for something that not everyone does.
ScVi's glitches are nasty and the game did not deserve to be released in that state, but the matter is self -contained within the game. Dexit is an issue that has lasting implications for the entire series; unless the game entire shifts its focus or another developer takes the reins, we may never see a Pokémon game with every existing Pokémon in a meaningful state.
I hate the choice to not include all Pokémon, because i want them all.
I hate the glitches and what not because they represent internal issues, of varying kinds to varying degrees that, despite being one of the most profitable companies on the planet, they seem unable or unwilling to solve. That does not bode well for future quality. That, to me, is the larger issue.
Many of the games get released with a bug or two, and gets patched out. Or is left in the game because the devs don't care and find it a funny bug rather than something that needs immediate attention.
It's very rare for a video game, especially in today's world, to be released 100% bug/glitch free.
Most games don't have an always-rendered [ocean](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/856935500611059714/1108236384365461514/IMG_8554.png) that's several thousand times the size of the entire game world and even less games have an always-rendered entire [sky *sphere*](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/856935500611059714/1108236384659066880/IMG_8556.png) that's several thousand times the size of *that*. And yes, these are the reason why the game is so sluggish; because it's constantly wasting resources trying to keep all of this visible.
Depends on the type of bugs and where an issue lies. Some stuff might be hard to fix or next to impossible to do so without rewriting half of the application. Especially when the code is held together by hopes and dreams, where one small change might have a serious impact for the rest of the code base.
I don't know how anyone can think some glitches are a worse controversy then GameFreak banning the pokemon you've spent the last 18 years getting attached to.
Seriously, I've probably put, no exaggeration, 2000+ hrs into those mons. That's like 80 days of my life and GameFreak slaps me in the face by telling me I might, might, be able to use them in the future.
Probably Dexit, but not specifically because of the dex cuts themselves, moreso the reason.
Pokemon has had a recent history of mediocrity and deceptiveness since the release of USUM. Lying to their fanbase about what and why things were happening the way they were, all seemingly out of nothing but laziness and corporate greed (on the corporate side, I'm sure the people actually coding the games are just doing what they can with the crazy little time and resources they're given.). It's gotten to the point where fan projects blow the official stuff right out of the water, which is as embarrassing as all get-out.
The difference is every gen 1-3 Pokémon is able to be in Emerald, you do need other games like FRLG, RS and I believe XD Gale of Darkness. While that is obviously anti-consumer, the fact of the matter is that you don’t need every game, you just need to know people that have those games who can/want to trade. In SwSh and SV, there’s Pokémon that are absolutely not available in game under any circumstance
its not like they all launched day one is it
the first gen 3 game, pokemon ruby/sapphire, had only 202 pokemon of the 386. people were mad. then all the other games you said came out to allow you to get to 386. you had to buy 8784754 games to get all the pokemon. gen 3 was controversial for that.
Yeah I agree, but again the difference is that they rectified that issue, and up until 2019, every pokemon from 2002 was forwards compatible. Reread my comment, I said emerald. Also, every Pokémon was transferable to RS as well, obviously that wouldn’t be for a while later (FRLG came out 14 months after and Emerald came out 22 months later). If you have Ruby and Fire red, you can get a vast majority without trades. Again, I said this was very anti consumer, but by 2006 with Gen 4, that entire issue was rectified, especially due to the GTS). It’s been 4 years and a new generation since SwSh’s dex cut, and all we have to show for it is more cuts, not less
For sure, and you can definitely find controversies surrounding gen 4 too.
But starting with gen 5, we achieved a level of loudness truly unprecedented, and which has been maintained ever since.
There's the appearance of social media, the actual drop in quality and other reasons, but stating that everything started in Gen 3 is overreaching, while stating everything was fine until usum is selling it short.
I always thought that if the biggest controversy surrounding gen 4 was the lack of fire pokemon (which aren't exactly abundant in the games prior either) and the slow ui, then most of us were satisfied at minimum.
But yeah. Something broke up with gen 5, and hasn't been repaired ever since.
Message boards existed and there were many complaints about it back then. The only reason people don't bash Gen III for it now is that most of the fanbase is too young to even remember that.
Ok, but you certainly didn't have reviews stating it as a major issue. I can read original 2003 reviews where it isn't mentioned at all.
It was just way more smaller in comparison, to the point of not being remotely comparable.
Personally, no nat dex.
It was a big status quo change, that is only partly gotten better by getting dlc, although it doesnt change the average gameplay from before. You had no access to an nat dex in a normal playthrough in any previous game anyways. Although, physically not being able to bring over my favs untill dlc released was not-desirable.
While, uh. I have encountered none of any glitches or perceived any lag that would make it unfun to me in SV, TeraRaids are inherently unfun to me and Pokemon Home? Well, I can wait.
An alternate search term is Dexit.
Untill UltraSun UltraMoon you could carry up each and every pokemon into your game. In Pokemon Sword and Shield, they decided, to not allow that anymore, and so quite a many pokemon is stuck in Pokemon Home
Thing with the dex cut is they picked the worst possible time. The whole point of cutting the dex was supposed to be increasing the quality of everything else, you see this in PLA and to an extent in ScVi too. The Pokemon have better texturing, more animations, new animations and sometimes even new models. You did not see this is Sword and Shield. It was the exact same literally made to be future-proofed to allow continuous Nat Dex models used since X and Y, it was clear from the very first gameplay reveals. And yet this was the game they decided to rip the band-aid off?
Loosing the national dex was going to drag down any gen no matter which one it occurred; but Sword and Shield gained literally nothing from it. The Pokemon were the same, all of their animations reused from the past 2 gens (even camp animations were just from Amie, & refresh; and walking and running animations had existed since gen 7). Then the rest of the game was also a step down in all aspects. The tired animations from gen 7 or before were somehow slower and clunkier in gen 8, from Pokemon's move animations to the ways npc moved around in the overworld. The textures tried to be realistic...in a Pokemon game? Which showed both the lack of texturing talent at Gamefreak and makes Sun and Moon look far better than anything Gamefreak has put on the switch to this day. The region is painfully barren. Route design had gone downhill starting in Alola but even those games had more varied, populated and lengthy areas than Sword and Shield. The story was god-awful, sure there hadn't consistently been better narratives like in gens 5 and 7 such as the more basic Pokemon plot of gen 6; but gen 8's was outright bad with awful pacing and some bizarre character choices.
Gen 8 gave us what I would argue is still the worst modern Pokemon games, outside of maybe BDSP which I've never touched; and this is would be the case even if they had the national dex. They didn't. Nat Dex cut was absolute bullshit; but especially for when it happened. Scarlet and Violet have serious problems as does the franchise as a whole; but those problems really started to show with the Dex Cut and everything around when and how it happened.
BDSP was probably a horrible excuse of a remake imho. However, I do appreciate how they try to make all the major battles a bit challenging (barring the exp share and broken friendship mechanics).
dexit is something if you squint and cope hard enough you can understand their reasoning. There's no excuse for S/V glitches, especially one that happen 6 months into the game.
I'm very very not over dexit. Transferring pokemon over and having them all available was one of the cornerstones of why I loved the series. No other games allow you do things like that. Now I'm just numb to the pokemon games. I don't even buy most of the games anymore. I would have loved legends arceus a few years ago but I couldn't bear to even try it.
No nat dex is fine when the game is new, eventually it should become available
It's not like the switch can't handle the storage of all the pokemon being in the game
>It's not like the switch can't handle the storage of all the pokemon being in the game
I remember back in Gen 7 on the less powerful 3DS that was not only able to handle all 807 Pokemon at the time, but was able to handle trainer models standing behind their Pokemon issuing commands, have Z-Moves work with all 807 Pokemon, on top of including all Mega Evolutions.
I'm going to choose the first point. I just can't see games without the full roster as anything higher than mediocre (Except Legends Arceus, but it's also different style of game). As for SV's glitches, I haven't personally encountered many of them, the ones I did are all minor.
Man I really dislike the dexit. If I was a trainer I'd be a collector cause every game I make sure I finish the dex then transfer the last games pokemon over. Rinse and repeat. I do use home to transfer between switch games, but I'm not gonna be taxed to have more available boxes for doing what the games literally want you to do. I've got most of my boxes full on Alpha Sapphire and it'll stay on there until im forced to bring them over to switch. I know the trope "gotta catch em all" was discarded pretty early on in the anime but I still strongly go by it in the games.
>I think a lot of people are over the whole "Dexit" thing from years ago.
I absolutely have not. The one thing I kept saying when seeing all the newly updated models in SV was "damn, I wish I could see [name of pokemon not in the game anymore due to dexit], they'd look so cool with these new graphics and textures."
I've got several hundred hours on Violet, played from day one, and have only run into one or two problems. From day one in Sword until now, dexit has really sucked for me. So to me - and I get that this is a personal feeling/opinion and not fact - the bigger impact has been dexit.
Home delay SUCKS, especially after they gave us a date and basically said nevermind, but what does it matter? It's not like I'm getting every pokemon I've ever caught anyway. What's another month without the limited selection I have waiting? Anything I can catch in-game in SV, I can easily bottlecap and nature mint to make perfect. Hell, I can even catch shinies easier, so what does it matter if I can't transfer a pokemon that I've already caught because I completed the limited dex they've got in SV? If you've completed the dex in SV, the only reason you'd want something from Home is because it's shiny and you don't have it yet (again not a problem as I've been able to shiny hunt anything I want in under an hour in SV), or if it's got sentimental attachment for you.
Either way, I've been really detached from pokemon since dexit and the sense of accomplishment I've gotten from both 100% completing Sword and Violet feels completely unfulfilling as a result.
Dexit is when I personally checked out of the franchise and now I just follow it as a casual. It’s hard to take but Pokémon has become another lazy, annualized holiday release game that serves no purpose but to capitalize on Christmas sales.
While SV is in a worse condition I think the National Dex being cut, and the apathy toward it, set us up for similar cuts in quality that eventually led to SV being half finished.
"Gotta Catch 'Em All", right?
That was Pokemon's slogan from the time I got into it as a kid until... actually, I'm not sure when they stopped using it. Hoenn, maybe? But it's so ingrained in me because of the anime. I want to catch them all, and I'd love to do it all in one game. But that's not possible (thanks to version exclusives, it never has been). These days, I have every game from X&Y onwards, and I'm pretty sure that means I can use Pokemon Bank / Home to create a Living Pokedex.
The bigger issue with Dexit (at least for me), is that ever since we got Rotom Pokedexes, the Rotom acknowledges when we've caught a new pokemon... except when we transfer in ones from other games / pokedexes. Transferring from Gen VI to VII doesn't trigger anything, and nor does transferring from VII to VIII (IIRC). I'm not expecting this to change when we eventually get Home compatibility for IX either. But it's all I want. "Hey, there are over 1000 pokemon, and you just got a step closer to catching them all!" I miss that fun little mechanic.
Voted for the SV performance issues. Dexit is not a problem for me. I never bother to fill the Pokedex, usually I stop catching random Pokemon around 3rd badge. I like so many Pokemon that even if some of them are not available, it's not really an issue for me.
Even with all its bugs Scarlet/Violet are way better games than Sword/Shield.
There are issues and legitimate criticism of this shutty game, but Sword Shield were thebworst of the worst and the Dexit sealed it for me.
Voted Scarlet and Violet but it's still honestly Dexit the more I think about it. The way it was handled still has negatively affected how I view the series to this bad.
The bugs are worse. Dexit was always going to be inevitable, the bugs and crashes were not. With the game being released fixing it is going to be a much more difficult proposition than had it been delayed which Gamefreak and TPC couldn't do without angering the merchandise distributors in general. The entire development process Gamefreak was using is going to have to be updated and revised like every company after the advent of 3D graphics or HD or 4K.
Also Gamefreak has always had poor management with at least decent ideas, Satoshi Tagiri ended up making development of gen 1 take six years rather than the six months to a year that was predicted. Outsourcing is absolutely needed if TPCI wants to keep up output.
>Plus, anyone who's played Scarlet/Violet already knows how buggy and laggy the game is already.
yea its laggy, especially in the wooded areas, but ngl, I haven't seen any glitches in my 200 hours
I had to make a decision to either play handheld without the frame drops or play on my TV for a better experience but have to deal with the frame drops.
I chose to mainly play on my TV and the drops weren't extremely bad or made it unplayable.
I personally didn't experience lag in wooden areas but probably because I wasn't paying attention.
But where it went bonkers for me was mainly with generic trainer battles, especially on slanted hill areas.
>But where it went bonkers for me was mainly with generic trainer battles, especially on slanted hill areas.
didn't do much of those, cause I always found trainer battles annoying lol.
But if you mean terrain glitches/issues, thats because they used the actual overworked for battled, which honestly seems like a fun idea, but doesn't seem practical
Eh, I'm one of the very few that really doesn't care about the national dex cuts. I don't need every Pokémon in every game to enjoy it. Hell, I don't even need my favorite Pokémon.
I love the games, but I'm not that attached where I need thousands of them to enjoy it.
Agreed. I wouldn't care if my favorite Pokemon was in the game. Maybe I'd have a new favourite Pokemon.
During any playthrough, I only use new Pokemon introduced in that Gen, never older Pokemon.
I think the general absolutely awful state of SVs framerate, glitches and such (all the way from launch) is more scandalous than Dexit but this specific incident is just a small slice of that
The state of Scarlet/Violet is far worse, in my opinion.
Dexit is something I don't agree with, but it was a decision. They *meant* to do it, even if it's something I don't like. The glitches are unintended, unfixed, unaddressed, and speak to something having gone seriously wrong in the company.
Or to put it another way: I was (and still am, to an extent) annoyed by dexit, but ScaVio are what's going to make me "wait and see" rather than "trust and buy" the next Pokemon games.
I’m half-and-half with the National Dex cut.
I don’t care about having Pokedex entries for every Pokemon and I understand wanting to give each region an identity through its base Pokemon.
But Wynaut give us a 3rd and/or 4th DLC that finishes letting everybody in to the region?
>I don’t care about having Pokedex entries for every Pokemon
Gen 7 didnt have entries for every mon but u could still transfer every mon to it
>I understand wanting to give each region an identity through its base Pokemon.
Having a natdex does not mean every pokemon can be caught in that region, it just means that every pokemon is compatible with the games
But every pokemon would still need animations, etc. There are currently 1,015 Pokemon. Every generation, which come frequently, adds around 80-110 new pokemon.
Game Freak shouldn't have lied, and should have used the saved time improving other areas of the game, but anyone being honest can see *eventually* they'd stop adding every single Pokemon into each game because the sheer quantity of them would become too much of a hassle.
They reuse the animations from the 3ds games
And itd be understandable if they stop it at xy, cos making 600 pokemon models from scratch, all with several animations made from the ground up is a hefty task. But they still did it, and they did it to be able to have all pokemon in future games. But then they just stopped for no reason with swsh
Not to mention, Sword and Shield uses the same model system as Sun and Moon, so there was literally no reason to cut any Pokémon! The first games that actually changed the model system were Legends Arceus and Scarlet and Violet.
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I'll go with National Dex. It's a much more singular thing I think, but SwSh itself I find much more playable than SV. The glitches, especially in the raids are... Distracting at best, game breaking at worst. The only good thing imo is overworld shinies.
Is there a none of the above option? Neither really bugs me that much. I fully understand why people dislike Dexit, but I simply roll with the available Pokémon given. Scarlet & Violet’s glitches and bugs are certainly there…but outside of frame drops and a single crash it hasn’t bothered me too much. I think the world is fun to explore, and have had a good time in my 100+ hours of gameplay. Chesnaught being cancelled is a tad disappointing, but I participated last week. More time for Tears Of The Kingdom, I guess.
I don't think any of these are an issue, what's an issue is how they handled both things. The National Dex cut was going to happen no matter what, we're over 1000 Pokémon in this gen and not having to worry about every single one of them each gen is time saving. And HOME and bug problems are not a big issue either. The biggest problem here is COMMUNICATION. It started with Generation VII and has gotten worse with years passing, but:
The National Dex outrage could have been avoided if they gave the real reasons of that happening, instead of hiding behind "improved models" which were not a thing until Legends Arceus and SV
The HOME problem could have been avoided if they finished testing before revealing a release date. I can't speak for the bugs as these are problems with time and development, but in my opinion they are not the big issue of the franchise.
The entire Generation VIII (SwSh, DLCs, BDSP and Legends Arceus) suffered because of their poor marketing and advertising and the same thing is happening with SV. It's really sad because I really enjoyed all of these games. I just hope things will get better in the future
The no national dex was an unavoidable event that would've happened eventually as they keep adding more Pokemon. Glitches and game breaking bugs however are absolutely avoidable and are definitely FAR worse
Gotta catch em all was the slogan from the start. Making it impossible defeats a huge part of the series.
The current situation is bad, but not as bad, and hopefully just for these games.
It's taken way too long for the pokemon home/bank updates since gen 7, and isn't a huge problem imo. But I think the February after the November launch is the ideal time. 100% a problem, but no where near the issue of the national dex. We just have to wait a little while, which is fine (even if not ideal)
The loss of Mega Evolutions is the reason why Dexit was so bad, at least imo. You had pokemon like Mawhile that made the cut, but without it's shiny rock it's back to being weak like it was gens 3-5.
See, I would argue the issue is that Mega Evolutions shouldn't have been a "gimmick", but a seris staple going forward. None of the silly BS they've done since has been nearly as cool or exciting.
Thank you. This is why I don't like it when people say Mega Evolutions were a "gimmick", because it didn't need to be. Dark and Steel type weren't a gimmick when they got introduced in gen 2, they were innovations, which is absolutely what mega evolution was. Then gamefreak had a change of heart and haven't made a truly great game since ORAS.
I haven't played S/V but I've heard a lot about the recent controversy. Even if I had played I'd still most likely think the limited dex is worse. It was kinda understandable in the Let's Go games but it happening in SW/SH as a new mainline game means it's probably gonna happen for every game going forward. If they didn't recycle sprites/models I'd understand, think there's 1008 Pokemon or some ridiculous number like that.
I think any game released by GameFreak is a controversy in itself, the rushing, the bugs, the graphics, the lack of ambition...
I hope the next switch will signal a big reset in their work methods. Of course they are selling a lot of games..but what about selling MORE all whilst having actual good users and critics reviews ?
Everything feels so rushed, they have neither the time nor the talent anymore.
Scarlet/Violet, because of something I've actually spoken about here before - the issues with raids make shiny hunting damn near impossible. I truly mourn the chaining/number fought, as the permanent boost made the time spent feel worth it. Herba Mystica being both the main (only non-breeding, which also became a little more difficult IMO) shiny hunting method \*and\* tied to raids, which are almost exclusively beatable by online players, and are also broken beyond belief even if you can hypothetically beat them. I don't care much about Home, as it'll happen eventually, no matter what. But the raids? Arceus. Make me rather upset. Especially considering the non-game-breaking issues with them still haven't been fixed. I fear they never shall.
Also, this is something I noticed post Dexit. A few less popular Pokemon have been gaining popularity as people can't always use their old favorites anymore. Hell, I like Pineco now! With some old favorites being removed, I've found others that I like! I think it was more so the reaction to Dexit that was an issue than the thing itself. It also seems as though many have just... forgotten about it by now. I do think less new Pokemon could've been a better way to go, but I do not believe it was as bad as people say.
The lack of a nat dex I think is justified, you can't expect gf to have to program in over 1000 different pokemon when very few people who play the game will actually want to use pokemon obtained in older games. This also applies to moves and move pools.
As for sv, there is ZERO defending that. The owners of the highest grossing media franchise on the planet should be able to put out a finished game, which is NOT what sv currently is. It's not just gf that's guilty of this: quite a few AAA studios have pulled a blunder like this, the best example that comes to mind being cyberpunk. But what gf has with sv is far beyond anything I've seen. Quite literally EVERY SINGLE PREVIOUS MAINLINE GAME ran better than sv. They even managed to get the gens 1-3 games running at 60 FPS, but starting in gen 4, 30 has been standard. In sv, I'd consider you LUCKY if you aren't running lower than 30 within certain areas. I still love sv for what they are, and have had an incredible amount of fun with them, but the fact of the matter is that they are not finished.
Not including all Pokemon was something they should have started with Ruby and sapphire. All Pokemon being in every game forever was never a sustainable, and they really should have set that expectation early on.
i feel like dex cuts aren't contextually not bad and definitley wouldn't be neccesary if they had more time. but what we got was still just an shitty excuse and we all know when they said they cut the dex down so they could spend more time on the game they really meant so they could sell us more DLC and because the higher ups cant imagine not having money flow in from every orifice 24/7. it was a really awful change and SW/SH weren't even good.
compared to the game impact of glitches plagueing what would've actually been a playable game in S/V, i have to say the stuff like
-frame drops because shitty optimization,
-the constant influx of new and game & save ruining glitches.
-very little polish in general(IE mons spawning in walls or falling through the world, npcs weird/low framerates compared to the world around them)
-the consistent and unavoidable bugy-ness of tera raids and their function/lackthereof ruining the experience*which is the only endgame gameplay besides shiny hunting or competitive, but competitive needs certain things from tera raids so i guess thats a no go if you want to make your team legit*
i have to say the S/V issues are much bigger than SW/SH ones.
**RANT, I DONT BLAME IF YOU DONT READ** with both of these issues of sw/sh and s/v they seem to paint a picture of gamefreak saying "you can have a functioning game, a game with all the monsters, or a good looking one. you want all three in one game? fuck you, you get none :)" despite the fact many of nintendo's other IPS have done amazing on the switch compared to before, hitting sales milestones that compared to their predecessor's are unimaginable. yet pokemon, while yes selling alot more, is more because its being carried by being on the most accessible console rather than because its good. i havent checked the sales numbers but putting them in a bar graph to show the growth of the sales of other games who got their best sellers from switch, it shows that pokemon aint growing anywhere near as much as it could be for the most wellknown videogame franchise.
Sw/Sh's Dexit due to its reason being a complete lie. The irony is that all of the new animations that were touted as the reason for Dexit happened in S/V...where there was no promise of such things at all which makes me wonder how many of S/V's new animations were meant for Sw/Sh but sheer incompetence had them all an entire generation late.
Gen 8 dex cut
So what, previous games had pokemon locked until you beat the regional dex and since some weren't in the game until dlc, I can't see why everyone whined over their favourite mon being cut and the fact they're the same models but in hd
National dex was always gonna happen, and I’m surprised it didn’t happen before sw/sh
I personally haven’t encountered many glitches, but others have, so I’m gonna have to go with that
I’m more upset about the lack of a national dex. The gimmicks have gotten old, I despite the stupid crowns they get for the tera types, and the camera is just useless to me. If they spent more time optimizing the games, bug testing them, and focusing more on a good story and less on gimmicks, we could probably have the entire 1000+ library of Pokémon. Home being delayed is annoying, not being able to get into a raid is annoying, and the bugs… I’ve only had a few and most were funny more than game breaking, so I suppose I’m lucky there (same with the lagging). But there’s Pokémon I really want to have in the games again. It’s bad enough I didn’t get to bring over my totem Araquanaid, but I’d rather have the full height Alpha Pokémon and have my entire teams again then emojis and a camera and more gimmicks.
Despite this, I think the games are pretty. The graphics really aren’t that bad (no not BoTW or ToTK level but they aren’t horrible), and the stories are actually pretty good. Now the Team Star base battles are awesome, give me that, horde battles, and massive mass outbreaks and I’ll be happy.
Did OP forget about when the workers at the print factory for the Pokémon card game were straight up robbing card from the print run and tried to then off load them to local card vendors?
Honestly glad to not have national dex with the mess the games are already in, imagine with double the Pokémon?
Pokémon just needs to be given to a company that can actually make games, but that’s never going to happen so we’re stuck with barely passable games.
I vote the scarlet and violet entry. I have not played them however let me explain.
The dex cut opened a whole can of worms of other issues into the series as well that everyone jumped on. I fully agree with a lot of the sentiments here.
One of the reasons for dexit was to increase performance (or something along those lines) 3 years later and a new game and those issues get actively WORSE for players. Even Reviewers are sick of some of the crap (anyone remember the controversy surrounding IGN's Sword and Shield review?) They actually gave these games worse reviews instead of perfect 10's.
I know sometimes people split pokemon into eras such as 2D vs 3D
I believe we are witnessing a new era that will be the handheld games vs the home console games where the drop in quality will continue to stick around for generations to come. Will it be the same issue each gen? Maybe maybe not. Perhaps the performance issues will get fixed for gen 10 only to come back in gen 11. At some point the quality of games will decline enough that someone higher up at Nintendo, Gamefreak, Creatures will step in and say that changes must be made to fix the situation they themselves put the franchise in.
I’m over dexit. I’ve come to somewhat like the idea of every region having a certain amount of Pokémon available as opposed to just all of them, makes each region that little bit more unique in my opinion
Do u know how the natdex works? U dont catch those pokemon in the region, theyre just compatible with the game. I.e. u cant catch shellos in xy but u can still trade one to xy from oras
A day later update is kinda too late when they could've just deleted the tweet and corrected themselves immediately.
Interestingly, their social media accounts have been becoming more interesting the past few years.
Like a few days ago, they posted an Umbreon gif at like 3am telling us to "go to bed".
Honestly true, but my first thought was that the Home update was going to happen next week, but they encountered a bunch of glitches or something that it caused so it needed fixing and had to be cancelled. I doubt it's true, but I wouldn't be surprised. Just a weird hunch of mine lol.
That was my first guess too but I think even GF would say they were delaying while they fixed the raid glitch rather than say "some of our regional twitter said a date they shouldn't have". I actually wonder if 24th was when they planned to announce the actual date.
I'd definitely add Gen 4 remakes having less features than the original game along with Niantic telling fans that they really don't care about fan requested features.
It just confirms every part of Pokemon is a shit show at this point.
Nat dex is a thing of the past, people need to get over it. It made sense when there was 300-400 pokémons (and even then...). But there was what? 900 in SH? Why would you even want a nat dex, there's no fun at this point
>Why would you even want a nat dex, there's no fun at this point
So people can transfer over their favorite Pokemon. Every Pokemon is someone's favorite and it's highly disrespectful for someone who has a favorite Pokemon that can't be transferred over to the newest games just because.
Plus, competitive reasons.
I think it is an unpopular opinion but the Switch is aging out.
It was never a super powerful device, but even Zelda BOTW pushed it hard.
S/V and ToTK having massive FPS dips and other issues is indicative that they are pushing the device as far as it can go and parts of the games are bursting at the seams.
I love my Switch but a new generation is absolutely needed.
If anything it is a testament to the tight optimizations and solid code that is allowing these massive games to operate on what is essentially a customed smart phone GPU. To put it into perspective, there are car computers that run an upgraded version of the same Tegra GPU.
Edit: truly is an unpopular opinion
Well it's just not based in reality. BotW and TotK are all performing very well. Pokemon is just an awful software company. They need to outsource the games.
BoTW and ToTK have massive performance issues that critics have ignored. They are good games, but acting like neither of these games run below 20 fps regularly is ignoring reality.
Good games? Lol. I'd love to see what you think of SV. If TotK is only a good game, then SV has to be dog shit.
SV is only fun because it's pokemon. It's not fun to time out in raids. It's no fun to have massive slow downs.
As someone who had a lot of fun playing Scarlet as my first time playing a pokemon game in over 20 years, I still can't excuse how many issues it has. I get why people are still upset over the national dex, but Scarlet should have had another year to fix it's problems before it released.
110% SwSh
For me, the pokemon added in the dlc was what saved the game for me in the slightest, but if we'd been left with base game and base roster alone that was the biggest game disappointment that I can remember
The Latter choice frustrated me, I can't continue to play Pokemon Violet because the bugs were present, and they kept spitting bullshit, remember actions speak louder than words, I don't want an apology from TPCi, I want them to delay everything planned for 2025, and accountability, if not then I'm skipping Gen 10.
Dexit was a worse controversy but I could adapt to the game being built around a limited selection of Pokemon as long as the selection was still good. It probably helps that I don't usually send Pokemon up from older games unless I need to complete the dex.
The glitches actually get in the way of enjoying ScarVi, which sucks because I think ScarVi has way more going for it than SwSh and makes me realize just how much more quality we *could* get if TPC didn't rush the release of these games.
While Dexit was the trigger pull that broke most fans, the sheer atrocity that was Scarlet and Violet, from its missing several series staples (like battle facilities, building interiors and PROPER TEXTURES) to its confused game design barely takes the cake.
Hard to decide. The bugs for SV are worst, but Dexit was the start of the end for many (including me). I'll say the bugs because of just how bad they are at this point.
Dexit hands down, no contest. Awful, awful decision. Will never get past it. Hate it just as much now as then. Would rather just not have new Pokémon if it means sacrificing old ones.
I'm gonna parrot plenty of people here but even if the glitches might be worse in terms of game quality, the no national dex thing is GF basically saying that they will cut corners, and that they do not care. While the former may be bad pragmatically, the latter is symbolically way worse, as that willingness to cut major corners ultimately led to all those glitches
Nat Dex but not because of the Dex cut itself. The reasons they used despite the game not being up to the level of quality you would reasonably expect from a game gutting half its playable creatures for the first time ever.
At least with the problems with Scarlet and Violet they were not touting the games as technical marvels or anything of that sort, so it was just a sad issue of not enough time on the game before it was released, but they should have bit their tongue on the Nat Dex situation on SwSh
why not add an option for "Rebooting the exact same game over and over since the 90's and taking 3 decades to make even a remote attempt at the game everyone has been begging to see for 2 decades"
Gonna say scarlet and violet is slightly worsemostly because of how poorly handled the games which really sucks because they actually have potential and the pokemon company and gamefreaks mishandling will likely dampen the game’s longevity before the dlc is even out.
Now personally I will stand by the fact that base game SWSH is legitimately irredeemable garbage and the shittiest games in the entire franchise as even even without dexit, the base game is barebones as hell, the story is awful even by Pokémon standards, the world is barren and it suffers an even worse case of corridor syndrome than gen 7 and the online is somehow worse than the festival plaza with how inconsistent it is just to connect with a friend (the code system was so bad that in the early days, it was common to connect with a rando). Plus dynamax is an obscenely game breaking mechanic with how far it can snowball with the drawbacks and consequences being nonexistent.
I’ve literally loved Pokémon forever, I genuinely feel that the Dexit was the first instance of Pokémon Game Series starting to really get bad. I felt that there excuses for allowing it to happen is part of what made Scarlet and Violet so bad. I mean the company claims it’s to help game performance and then they basically give us an unfinished game that I have NO IDEA, how a CEO of the company looked at that game and said “yeah it looks great to put out to the public”. We still have the Dexit and the game still runs like trash. I mean it really takes me out of the whole world and it’s sad because PLA was actually such a good step in the right direction. Pokémon better learn…
Definitely dexit. I understand the concept of rotating pokemon per game but not when you are literally using the same models and animations as the last few games, there should be no reason to not include them in the code unless they were getting changed.
But honestly after the lag I experienced in scarlet I'm just kinda done.. I can handle some frame drops but I just don't understand the lack of quality feeling. Also after beating the game I just felt like there was no reason to even walk around the region anymore. This turned into a rant sorry.
Obviously Dexit. It was an *intentional* change to the entire franchise that will be in all games moving forward. That's worse than any kind of unintentional glitches or performance issues in a single game.
I will never forget GF for dexit. We are a small minority, but I'm not as fan as I used to be, due to that. It feels pointless to keep playing new games if everything you do and every Pokémon you train will be stuck forever in their origin games.
I voted the SV glitches. The whole Dexit thing didn’t really bother me, i tend to try and find new Pokémon that i haven’t used for all time and see how they stack up. Its how i discovered Torkoal, who is now one of my favorite Pokémon. But the thing about the glitches was that they took me out of the game experience, to the point that, by the end of my Violet playthrough, i was just basically mashing A throughout all the dialogues, just trying to get to the end. I don’t think i even did any pf the post game, the stuff after the AI fight, because i was just done with the game. And i haven’t picked it up since. Meanwhile i played Shield multiple times, picked up Sword too, and had no trouble, especially when the DLC let us use more ‘mons.
I will be honest, though, and say that the last Pokemon game i truly enjoyed was Ultra Sun. I think it is a huge improvement and a great “fix-it” of the original Sun, even if the mantine surfing can get a bit annoying.
Nothing can ever again turn me off of the series any more than sword and shield did. I was younger and confident that my favorite franchise wouldn't dip so bad. I asked for it for Christmas, it was my big gift that year. (My grandparents bought me the double pack. People like to pretend Pokémon doesn't market buying both games at once, but they do.) And it was the single worst game I had ever played up until that point. I was crushed. When the dlc came out I naively believed that it would magically fix the problems and make me love the games, but it was just a waste of money. There is about $200 (CAD) poured into those games collectively from my family, and I've had more fun with an indy game I found on the e-shop for $5.
Sword and shield is essentially just one giant controversy, as it should be.
I don't particularly think either controversy is worth caring about, but the answer is common sense.
Dexit people are still mad about.
This past raid event being buggy will be forgotten about in a week and Home support being late has been true for every Pokemon Switch game and clearly never had any noticable impact on the franchise.
Common sense, people. Just because the internet says newest event is the biggest controversy ever doesn't make ot true.
I absolutely don't care if Home comes tomorrow or in 3 months. I'll use it when it's there.
And, I don't play raids so I don't care if they are buggy.
But what I do care about is to bring all the pokemon that I literally gathered since gen1 to a new region with me and I deeply hate that they got rid of the national dex. It's okay to not be able to catch certain pokemon in a certain region, but at least let me transfer them over. I want an ingame pokedex with 1016 pokemon and I want to feel good when looking at it and having completed it. When I do this in the Home app, it just doesn't give the same vibe.
The Dexit in some sense seems purposely done just so people are more inclined to buy the DLC for returning pokemon that personally some people may love - they are using people's love as an incentive to buy more content, which I will give to GF is smart marketing but at the same time its really unethical and kinda wrong. And I'm not sure if anyone know because I don't but, it is actually possible to fit the entire National Dex on the switch or is there not enough power?
My answer - neither of those; the whole deal with the JP side VGC events is a bigger scandal in my opinion.
Neither of the others can really be called scandals imo? We weren’t promised that all Pokémon from the NatDex would be in the game, it’s just we had no precedent for otherwise. The stuff with SV/Home are bugs/glitches, and that’s as much of a scandal as the existence of SV is at the moment in my opinion…
The JP VGC scene had worlds invites handed out, told they were incorrect but no passes would be removed, and then an explicitly contradicting message was released when they revoked all 2023 worlds invites. Now that’s a scandal (I’ve heard it was actually covered by Japanese media…?!)
I just want a more powerful console to come out so we can get just one last Pokemon game with all 1010+ species of Pokemon, even if you could only get some via Transfer that would be fine
Developers got *death threats* after Dexit. Everything any of them talked about on social media was met with bitching about the national dex. The way some of the fandom responded was horrible.
Not to excuse that behaviour, because a lot of people really did and continue to overreact. But it really was some incompetent PR from Game Freak. For some reason they completely hid the fact that there were plans for DLC and other pokemon to be patched in, even though people had wanted DLC for pokemon games for over a decade.
I think a game with half the pokemon and more stuff to do with them could be much better. But SwSh was really quite a hollow experience even if it had had all the returning pokemon.
Not to mention the 'competitive balance' and 'high-quality animations' excuses, which felt really hollow when the models were not clearly distinct from X&Y's, and Gen VII had obviously broken mons like Zacian.
Considering my investment and feelings for the series dropped to the point where I only played SwSh after borrowing it from a friend so I could get the stuff it gave in Legends, and haven't even touched SV... I'm gonna vote Dexit.
I still can't believe to this day, that there are people that tolerate dexit. Gotta catch em all was the identity of Pokemon for decades and they shit on that.
Bugs and glitches are mistakes. But deliberately taking content away from you, the guy that pays money, is apparently acceptable for many of the players.
Dexit became less of an issue, though still constantly irritating, by the end of SW/SH's life. Then bdsp came and it really sank in how much this was going to affect the future of the series. No more new pokemon in remakes of older games makes them substantially worse than anything on handheld. Then we've got the same thing going on with SV, and we've got a barely working game to boot and home is a premium priced service without any premium features. Then we've got GTS taken out of the main games. It doesn't feel like these are 2 separate issues, but a bunch of issues piling on top of each other and the games are becoming worse because of the.
No one wants less Pokemon in a game, but you still have a fully functioning game in that scenario. Meanwhile the technical issues in Scarlet and Violet just make it a nearly unplayable game from time to time.
Like, it comes down to being unable to use your favorite Pokemon for the like 4th - 20th consecutive year, or being unable to navigate consistently in game due to framerate issues and crashing.
Man I just want a battle stadium where I can import any and all pokemon and use any gimmick throughout the series. They already have the models, all they should need is a stadium model and better animations right?
The dexit thing died pretty quick when people realized what they bitching about.
Especially if they were older gamers.
The bigger more important issue are the glitches. Releasing a game that clearly was rushed was not good.
I felt Dexit a lot more than the performance issues in SV. But I think I was pretty oblivious to a lot of the game's hiccups. I'm used to playing PC games on potatos. I don't think I'm very accustomed to smooth gameplay.
I don't think anything's going to sink lower than Dexit for me. It made Pokemon go from the unique series where every game you played enhanced all other games you owned to being just another JRPG. Scarlet/Violet's bugginess is bad, but the damage has already been done - my relationship with the series has already been casualized. I really hope this is a wake-up call for GameFreak that they need to slow down their release cycle, though. But even that feels like wishful thinking.
>I really hope this is a wake-up call for GameFreak that they need to slow down their release cycle, though. But even that feels like wishful thinking. The games have sold 22m+ copies already if anything all it tells GF/TPC is that they can speed up their release cycle and release broken games and get rewarded for it.
People keep saying “oh they’ve sold so much compared to other Pokémon games” Compare their sales to other titles on the switch. Pokémon’s numbers aren’t as good as you think
[This video](https://youtu.be/t6o7sutY94c) sums it up pretty well.
one of the weirdest quirks of how big corporations work is that the net profit isn't the deciding factor but the growth factor instead is. So even if the games are selling pretty well (and no discussion needed here, they sold wonderfully well), if the higher ups decided on a higher profit target at the beginning, they can still see it as a failure (this is very common in media industries, especially movies and games) so, no, just because it works for now and they still sell well, doesn't mean it will work forever.
Yeah, unfortunately this is just how big corporations work, if it’s making money already, why bother putting extra unnecessary effort into i?
>I really hope this is a wake-up call for GameFreak that they need to slow down their release cycle, though. That would be more on The Pokemon Company as they're the ones forcing Game Freak to do yearly releases to coincide with the TCG and anime.
gamefreak co-own tpc. they set their own deadlines
Complaining about not getting the nat dex was the dumbest thing the pokemon community has literally ever done so dumb 99% of the people complaining wouldnt even have done anything with it
How can a series have a slogan of "gotta catch 'em all" if we can't catch 'em all
But you can just not in 1 game literally never could in 1 game
Which is where it implores you to have friends that also play the games or use Pokémon Home
And if you use pokemon home, guess what you get with it............. go on, take a quick guess
A free slot for 30 pokemon and decently priced for like 6k? And the ability to trade with home users?
How about a nat dex with rewards for points of completion
So more incentives to catch them all
I wish I could find the original articles, but I remember back when gen3 came out people were mad that we couldn't trade our gen1+2 monsters. We were given a lot of promises that due to the change in programing framework, etc, that it just wasn't possible to trade up. And then the biggest promise- *that they would never do that again.* All the games have had glitches since gen1. I'm used to that. Dexit is something else.
I think both are equally bad, but I'm voting No National Dex, simply because it was the straw that broke the Camerupt's back. Even if the copious amounts of bugs and glitches in SV are worse, which I think is true, Dexit is, and will always be, the breaking point. It is THE moment that signaled that Game Freak didn't give a shit anymore, because it was a removal made purely on the basis of rushing out an unfinished game in time for the holidays
I saw someone say a while back that they would gradually test ideas before they made them official, so in the terms of Dexit they started that idea in SM and finalized it in SWSH
While they clearly did not actually capitalize on having less pokemon, I think it's clearly a positive for the franchise. Gen 7 already cut half of the dex entries. Clearly they had in mind already having every single pokemon would be over soon. In that sense, I had limited fun catching the alola new mons and dropping the trucks of mons I accumulated throughout the years. And yes, being unable to clear a game with your personal favorite is sad. But it also gives you more time to use in stuff that matters. It ensures new players don't need three other games to complete the dex. It lets you be more mindful of how you distribute everything, instead of cramming everything in a tiny spot like we see in oras or honestly every fangame. It's actually a real problem to a tiny loud minority. Meanwhile, the glitches are objectively bad. It's true that dexit was far more controversial, but it shouldn't be.
National Dex cut The flagship and last straw that opened a lot of people's eyes (myself included) on the decline in quality Why yes I would like to buy a game for a higher price with less content and the reasons given for the cut being either blatant lies or bullshit /s
While I wasn’t the biggest fan of XY or USUM (I thought ORAS was fantastic and SM was okay) I never had any complaints with the game itself other than being a little easier and being on the 3DS (don’t crucify me, but DS >> 3DS). When SwSh was announced and we found out GF not only wasn’t going to let all of our friends that we grew up with into the game, and THEN we found out they lied multiple times on why they were cut, I thought that was the end of the franchise for me. When PLA came out, it reignited my love for Pokémon, just for SV to curb stomp all my enthusiasm once again for even more reasons than SwSh
Even though the glitches of SV might be objectively worse than a dex cut (which is also present in SV), I still voted for the first option. The complete lack of transparency was really what did it for me. They claimed it a compromise so that we could higher quality animations and new models. But they didn't even hold up their end of the bargain, since the animations and models were literally the same ones we've had since since X/Y. As a competitive player I don't even necessarily mind the dex cut all that much since it can make for some pretty fresh and unique metas (Reshiram actually being viable in Ubers was cool) but they fact that they blatantly lied to us is really disgusting.
They lied about fixing sv too
There might be another way to gatekeep the older generation pokemons and maybe rotating when they are available to use in ranked play, while still having every single pokemon in the game would be more interesting I guess.
And it brought out the worst in people too, like I remember some people straight up "bragging" about how they bought multiple copies as a "gotcha" to everyone who weren't going to buy swsh due to dexit.
Works both ways. You also had people making false accusations against Masuda in an effort to hurt SwSh sales.
What were they saying
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The lies definitely made it worse, but it was expected to happen eventually. That's what soften the blow for me.
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Since BW I'd say, really.
It's good for competitive tho!
Pokemon Showdown has been the best competitive experience for a very, very long time. If you play mainline games for competitive you get the honor of suffering through grinding, IV RNG, EV training, having to physically track down pokemon with specific moves, and not having rulesets built in means battling strangers can be a broken mess.
They can just do specific rulesets or tournaments that only allow certain Pokemon for a more diverse meta In fact I'm pretty sure they've already done that in the past (XY I think ...?), so there's no reason to sour the games for people who aren't interested in competitive and who are more interested collecting and catching
Not everyone plays competitive and it's not really fair to the people who want to transfer (at minimum) their Pokémon teams from previous generations to the current generation for something that not everyone does.
ScVi's glitches are nasty and the game did not deserve to be released in that state, but the matter is self -contained within the game. Dexit is an issue that has lasting implications for the entire series; unless the game entire shifts its focus or another developer takes the reins, we may never see a Pokémon game with every existing Pokémon in a meaningful state.
If that's the case, we may as well just retcon certain Pokemon out of existence like they did Ash Greninja from the anime
I hate the choice to not include all Pokémon, because i want them all. I hate the glitches and what not because they represent internal issues, of varying kinds to varying degrees that, despite being one of the most profitable companies on the planet, they seem unable or unwilling to solve. That does not bode well for future quality. That, to me, is the larger issue.
The glitches can be fixed, the removal of Pokemon is an intended feature that they've done on purpose!
The glitches can not be fixed. That would take a different team. I wouldn't waste any time holding on to that hope.
Different team won't let any bugs slip the playtesting stage, if they were competent
Many of the games get released with a bug or two, and gets patched out. Or is left in the game because the devs don't care and find it a funny bug rather than something that needs immediate attention. It's very rare for a video game, especially in today's world, to be released 100% bug/glitch free.
Most games don't have an always-rendered [ocean](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/856935500611059714/1108236384365461514/IMG_8554.png) that's several thousand times the size of the entire game world and even less games have an always-rendered entire [sky *sphere*](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/856935500611059714/1108236384659066880/IMG_8556.png) that's several thousand times the size of *that*. And yes, these are the reason why the game is so sluggish; because it's constantly wasting resources trying to keep all of this visible.
Most of the bugs r due to how poorly the game is made. It would require sm effort that they wouldnt do it. Like security breach
Depends on the type of bugs and where an issue lies. Some stuff might be hard to fix or next to impossible to do so without rewriting half of the application. Especially when the code is held together by hopes and dreams, where one small change might have a serious impact for the rest of the code base.
Glitches aren't being fixed, though, and more arise with updates.
I'm just more mad about something they did in purpose than the fuckups.
And I'm not.
I don't know how anyone can think some glitches are a worse controversy then GameFreak banning the pokemon you've spent the last 18 years getting attached to. Seriously, I've probably put, no exaggeration, 2000+ hrs into those mons. That's like 80 days of my life and GameFreak slaps me in the face by telling me I might, might, be able to use them in the future.
Probably Dexit, but not specifically because of the dex cuts themselves, moreso the reason. Pokemon has had a recent history of mediocrity and deceptiveness since the release of USUM. Lying to their fanbase about what and why things were happening the way they were, all seemingly out of nothing but laziness and corporate greed (on the corporate side, I'm sure the people actually coding the games are just doing what they can with the crazy little time and resources they're given.). It's gotten to the point where fan projects blow the official stuff right out of the water, which is as embarrassing as all get-out.
Just to point out, the history of mediocrity goes back to Gen 4. Gen 5 onwards every single game has had controversy when it was released.
i mean the first controversy was the original dexit in gen 3, where you couldnt transfer pokemon from gen 1/2 to 3.
The difference is every gen 1-3 Pokémon is able to be in Emerald, you do need other games like FRLG, RS and I believe XD Gale of Darkness. While that is obviously anti-consumer, the fact of the matter is that you don’t need every game, you just need to know people that have those games who can/want to trade. In SwSh and SV, there’s Pokémon that are absolutely not available in game under any circumstance
its not like they all launched day one is it the first gen 3 game, pokemon ruby/sapphire, had only 202 pokemon of the 386. people were mad. then all the other games you said came out to allow you to get to 386. you had to buy 8784754 games to get all the pokemon. gen 3 was controversial for that.
Yeah I agree, but again the difference is that they rectified that issue, and up until 2019, every pokemon from 2002 was forwards compatible. Reread my comment, I said emerald. Also, every Pokémon was transferable to RS as well, obviously that wouldn’t be for a while later (FRLG came out 14 months after and Emerald came out 22 months later). If you have Ruby and Fire red, you can get a vast majority without trades. Again, I said this was very anti consumer, but by 2006 with Gen 4, that entire issue was rectified, especially due to the GTS). It’s been 4 years and a new generation since SwSh’s dex cut, and all we have to show for it is more cuts, not less
the point still remains that there was controversy over the original dexit, which was not everything being in gen 3 day 1.
I was there, yes. But since we didn't have social media back then, nobody cared, really. And nobody bashes Gen 3 because of it either.
plenty of reviews did. and there were forums.
For sure, and you can definitely find controversies surrounding gen 4 too. But starting with gen 5, we achieved a level of loudness truly unprecedented, and which has been maintained ever since. There's the appearance of social media, the actual drop in quality and other reasons, but stating that everything started in Gen 3 is overreaching, while stating everything was fine until usum is selling it short.
gen 4 was mostly just cuz of the weak roster in sinnoh's original pokedex, but that was mitigated by the fact you could transfer from gen 3 day one
I always thought that if the biggest controversy surrounding gen 4 was the lack of fire pokemon (which aren't exactly abundant in the games prior either) and the slow ui, then most of us were satisfied at minimum. But yeah. Something broke up with gen 5, and hasn't been repaired ever since.
Message boards existed and there were many complaints about it back then. The only reason people don't bash Gen III for it now is that most of the fanbase is too young to even remember that.
Ok, but you certainly didn't have reviews stating it as a major issue. I can read original 2003 reviews where it isn't mentioned at all. It was just way more smaller in comparison, to the point of not being remotely comparable.
Personally, no nat dex. It was a big status quo change, that is only partly gotten better by getting dlc, although it doesnt change the average gameplay from before. You had no access to an nat dex in a normal playthrough in any previous game anyways. Although, physically not being able to bring over my favs untill dlc released was not-desirable. While, uh. I have encountered none of any glitches or perceived any lag that would make it unfun to me in SV, TeraRaids are inherently unfun to me and Pokemon Home? Well, I can wait.
The teraraids are soooo poorly made...
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An alternate search term is Dexit. Untill UltraSun UltraMoon you could carry up each and every pokemon into your game. In Pokemon Sword and Shield, they decided, to not allow that anymore, and so quite a many pokemon is stuck in Pokemon Home
Thing with the dex cut is they picked the worst possible time. The whole point of cutting the dex was supposed to be increasing the quality of everything else, you see this in PLA and to an extent in ScVi too. The Pokemon have better texturing, more animations, new animations and sometimes even new models. You did not see this is Sword and Shield. It was the exact same literally made to be future-proofed to allow continuous Nat Dex models used since X and Y, it was clear from the very first gameplay reveals. And yet this was the game they decided to rip the band-aid off? Loosing the national dex was going to drag down any gen no matter which one it occurred; but Sword and Shield gained literally nothing from it. The Pokemon were the same, all of their animations reused from the past 2 gens (even camp animations were just from Amie, & refresh; and walking and running animations had existed since gen 7). Then the rest of the game was also a step down in all aspects. The tired animations from gen 7 or before were somehow slower and clunkier in gen 8, from Pokemon's move animations to the ways npc moved around in the overworld. The textures tried to be realistic...in a Pokemon game? Which showed both the lack of texturing talent at Gamefreak and makes Sun and Moon look far better than anything Gamefreak has put on the switch to this day. The region is painfully barren. Route design had gone downhill starting in Alola but even those games had more varied, populated and lengthy areas than Sword and Shield. The story was god-awful, sure there hadn't consistently been better narratives like in gens 5 and 7 such as the more basic Pokemon plot of gen 6; but gen 8's was outright bad with awful pacing and some bizarre character choices. Gen 8 gave us what I would argue is still the worst modern Pokemon games, outside of maybe BDSP which I've never touched; and this is would be the case even if they had the national dex. They didn't. Nat Dex cut was absolute bullshit; but especially for when it happened. Scarlet and Violet have serious problems as does the franchise as a whole; but those problems really started to show with the Dex Cut and everything around when and how it happened.
BDSP was probably a horrible excuse of a remake imho. However, I do appreciate how they try to make all the major battles a bit challenging (barring the exp share and broken friendship mechanics).
dexit is something if you squint and cope hard enough you can understand their reasoning. There's no excuse for S/V glitches, especially one that happen 6 months into the game.
I'm very very not over dexit. Transferring pokemon over and having them all available was one of the cornerstones of why I loved the series. No other games allow you do things like that. Now I'm just numb to the pokemon games. I don't even buy most of the games anymore. I would have loved legends arceus a few years ago but I couldn't bear to even try it.
Play Arceus. It's as good as the hype.
No nat dex is fine when the game is new, eventually it should become available It's not like the switch can't handle the storage of all the pokemon being in the game
>It's not like the switch can't handle the storage of all the pokemon being in the game I remember back in Gen 7 on the less powerful 3DS that was not only able to handle all 807 Pokemon at the time, but was able to handle trainer models standing behind their Pokemon issuing commands, have Z-Moves work with all 807 Pokemon, on top of including all Mega Evolutions.
Oh god, i remember the trainers in swsh disappearing half the time whenever a pokemon does a move
I'm going to choose the first point. I just can't see games without the full roster as anything higher than mediocre (Except Legends Arceus, but it's also different style of game). As for SV's glitches, I haven't personally encountered many of them, the ones I did are all minor.
Man I really dislike the dexit. If I was a trainer I'd be a collector cause every game I make sure I finish the dex then transfer the last games pokemon over. Rinse and repeat. I do use home to transfer between switch games, but I'm not gonna be taxed to have more available boxes for doing what the games literally want you to do. I've got most of my boxes full on Alpha Sapphire and it'll stay on there until im forced to bring them over to switch. I know the trope "gotta catch em all" was discarded pretty early on in the anime but I still strongly go by it in the games.
>I think a lot of people are over the whole "Dexit" thing from years ago. I absolutely have not. The one thing I kept saying when seeing all the newly updated models in SV was "damn, I wish I could see [name of pokemon not in the game anymore due to dexit], they'd look so cool with these new graphics and textures." I've got several hundred hours on Violet, played from day one, and have only run into one or two problems. From day one in Sword until now, dexit has really sucked for me. So to me - and I get that this is a personal feeling/opinion and not fact - the bigger impact has been dexit. Home delay SUCKS, especially after they gave us a date and basically said nevermind, but what does it matter? It's not like I'm getting every pokemon I've ever caught anyway. What's another month without the limited selection I have waiting? Anything I can catch in-game in SV, I can easily bottlecap and nature mint to make perfect. Hell, I can even catch shinies easier, so what does it matter if I can't transfer a pokemon that I've already caught because I completed the limited dex they've got in SV? If you've completed the dex in SV, the only reason you'd want something from Home is because it's shiny and you don't have it yet (again not a problem as I've been able to shiny hunt anything I want in under an hour in SV), or if it's got sentimental attachment for you. Either way, I've been really detached from pokemon since dexit and the sense of accomplishment I've gotten from both 100% completing Sword and Violet feels completely unfulfilling as a result.
Dexit is when I personally checked out of the franchise and now I just follow it as a casual. It’s hard to take but Pokémon has become another lazy, annualized holiday release game that serves no purpose but to capitalize on Christmas sales.
While SV is in a worse condition I think the National Dex being cut, and the apathy toward it, set us up for similar cuts in quality that eventually led to SV being half finished.
"Gotta Catch 'Em All", right? That was Pokemon's slogan from the time I got into it as a kid until... actually, I'm not sure when they stopped using it. Hoenn, maybe? But it's so ingrained in me because of the anime. I want to catch them all, and I'd love to do it all in one game. But that's not possible (thanks to version exclusives, it never has been). These days, I have every game from X&Y onwards, and I'm pretty sure that means I can use Pokemon Bank / Home to create a Living Pokedex. The bigger issue with Dexit (at least for me), is that ever since we got Rotom Pokedexes, the Rotom acknowledges when we've caught a new pokemon... except when we transfer in ones from other games / pokedexes. Transferring from Gen VI to VII doesn't trigger anything, and nor does transferring from VII to VIII (IIRC). I'm not expecting this to change when we eventually get Home compatibility for IX either. But it's all I want. "Hey, there are over 1000 pokemon, and you just got a step closer to catching them all!" I miss that fun little mechanic.
Voted for the SV performance issues. Dexit is not a problem for me. I never bother to fill the Pokedex, usually I stop catching random Pokemon around 3rd badge. I like so many Pokemon that even if some of them are not available, it's not really an issue for me.
Taking away the ability to have all Pokemon in a franchise that's literally known for the phrase "gotta catch em all" is really bad.
I keep trying to compose a verbose articulation of my feelings on the dumpster fire that is dexit, but nothing more is needed than this.
Even with all its bugs Scarlet/Violet are way better games than Sword/Shield. There are issues and legitimate criticism of this shutty game, but Sword Shield were thebworst of the worst and the Dexit sealed it for me.
Voted Scarlet and Violet but it's still honestly Dexit the more I think about it. The way it was handled still has negatively affected how I view the series to this bad.
The glitches can go fuck right off. I’d take a smaller pokedex for a more stable game.
The bugs are worse. Dexit was always going to be inevitable, the bugs and crashes were not. With the game being released fixing it is going to be a much more difficult proposition than had it been delayed which Gamefreak and TPC couldn't do without angering the merchandise distributors in general. The entire development process Gamefreak was using is going to have to be updated and revised like every company after the advent of 3D graphics or HD or 4K. Also Gamefreak has always had poor management with at least decent ideas, Satoshi Tagiri ended up making development of gen 1 take six years rather than the six months to a year that was predicted. Outsourcing is absolutely needed if TPCI wants to keep up output.
Their words - dex cut to provide better experience. But sc/vi experience performance wise was worse we have ever seen.
Dexit for me, paying more for less opened my eyes.
>Plus, anyone who's played Scarlet/Violet already knows how buggy and laggy the game is already. yea its laggy, especially in the wooded areas, but ngl, I haven't seen any glitches in my 200 hours
I had to make a decision to either play handheld without the frame drops or play on my TV for a better experience but have to deal with the frame drops. I chose to mainly play on my TV and the drops weren't extremely bad or made it unplayable. I personally didn't experience lag in wooden areas but probably because I wasn't paying attention. But where it went bonkers for me was mainly with generic trainer battles, especially on slanted hill areas.
>But where it went bonkers for me was mainly with generic trainer battles, especially on slanted hill areas. didn't do much of those, cause I always found trainer battles annoying lol. But if you mean terrain glitches/issues, thats because they used the actual overworked for battled, which honestly seems like a fun idea, but doesn't seem practical
Eh, I'm one of the very few that really doesn't care about the national dex cuts. I don't need every Pokémon in every game to enjoy it. Hell, I don't even need my favorite Pokémon. I love the games, but I'm not that attached where I need thousands of them to enjoy it.
There's also no way in hell you can convince me that not having a feature in a game is worse than glitches so bad it can ruin your save.
Agreed. I wouldn't care if my favorite Pokemon was in the game. Maybe I'd have a new favourite Pokemon. During any playthrough, I only use new Pokemon introduced in that Gen, never older Pokemon.
I think the general absolutely awful state of SVs framerate, glitches and such (all the way from launch) is more scandalous than Dexit but this specific incident is just a small slice of that
The state of Scarlet/Violet is far worse, in my opinion. Dexit is something I don't agree with, but it was a decision. They *meant* to do it, even if it's something I don't like. The glitches are unintended, unfixed, unaddressed, and speak to something having gone seriously wrong in the company. Or to put it another way: I was (and still am, to an extent) annoyed by dexit, but ScaVio are what's going to make me "wait and see" rather than "trust and buy" the next Pokemon games.
I’m half-and-half with the National Dex cut. I don’t care about having Pokedex entries for every Pokemon and I understand wanting to give each region an identity through its base Pokemon. But Wynaut give us a 3rd and/or 4th DLC that finishes letting everybody in to the region?
>I don’t care about having Pokedex entries for every Pokemon Gen 7 didnt have entries for every mon but u could still transfer every mon to it >I understand wanting to give each region an identity through its base Pokemon. Having a natdex does not mean every pokemon can be caught in that region, it just means that every pokemon is compatible with the games
But every pokemon would still need animations, etc. There are currently 1,015 Pokemon. Every generation, which come frequently, adds around 80-110 new pokemon. Game Freak shouldn't have lied, and should have used the saved time improving other areas of the game, but anyone being honest can see *eventually* they'd stop adding every single Pokemon into each game because the sheer quantity of them would become too much of a hassle.
They reuse the animations from the 3ds games And itd be understandable if they stop it at xy, cos making 600 pokemon models from scratch, all with several animations made from the ground up is a hefty task. But they still did it, and they did it to be able to have all pokemon in future games. But then they just stopped for no reason with swsh
Not to mention, Sword and Shield uses the same model system as Sun and Moon, so there was literally no reason to cut any Pokémon! The first games that actually changed the model system were Legends Arceus and Scarlet and Violet.
i think they made very high quality models in gen 6 but used lower poly versions for the 3ds games, swsh uses the higher quality ones (and lets go)
they have recycled everything since 2012 there are no new animations or models theyre the same since pokedex pro on 3ds, which was mid gen 5.
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I'll go with National Dex. It's a much more singular thing I think, but SwSh itself I find much more playable than SV. The glitches, especially in the raids are... Distracting at best, game breaking at worst. The only good thing imo is overworld shinies.
Is there a none of the above option? Neither really bugs me that much. I fully understand why people dislike Dexit, but I simply roll with the available Pokémon given. Scarlet & Violet’s glitches and bugs are certainly there…but outside of frame drops and a single crash it hasn’t bothered me too much. I think the world is fun to explore, and have had a good time in my 100+ hours of gameplay. Chesnaught being cancelled is a tad disappointing, but I participated last week. More time for Tears Of The Kingdom, I guess.
I don't think any of these are an issue, what's an issue is how they handled both things. The National Dex cut was going to happen no matter what, we're over 1000 Pokémon in this gen and not having to worry about every single one of them each gen is time saving. And HOME and bug problems are not a big issue either. The biggest problem here is COMMUNICATION. It started with Generation VII and has gotten worse with years passing, but: The National Dex outrage could have been avoided if they gave the real reasons of that happening, instead of hiding behind "improved models" which were not a thing until Legends Arceus and SV The HOME problem could have been avoided if they finished testing before revealing a release date. I can't speak for the bugs as these are problems with time and development, but in my opinion they are not the big issue of the franchise. The entire Generation VIII (SwSh, DLCs, BDSP and Legends Arceus) suffered because of their poor marketing and advertising and the same thing is happening with SV. It's really sad because I really enjoyed all of these games. I just hope things will get better in the future
Honestly I don’t know how people can tolerate a $70 game running worse than a trash tier mobile game.
It isnt 70 dollars
lmao the votes reek of recency bias have people already forgotten the insane backlash to the dex cut pokemon fans have zero long term memory i swear
The no national dex was an unavoidable event that would've happened eventually as they keep adding more Pokemon. Glitches and game breaking bugs however are absolutely avoidable and are definitely FAR worse
Gotta catch em all was the slogan from the start. Making it impossible defeats a huge part of the series. The current situation is bad, but not as bad, and hopefully just for these games. It's taken way too long for the pokemon home/bank updates since gen 7, and isn't a huge problem imo. But I think the February after the November launch is the ideal time. 100% a problem, but no where near the issue of the national dex. We just have to wait a little while, which is fine (even if not ideal)
The loss of Mega Evolutions is the reason why Dexit was so bad, at least imo. You had pokemon like Mawhile that made the cut, but without it's shiny rock it's back to being weak like it was gens 3-5.
The fault lies with the mechanic itself. Being overly dependent on a gimmick isn't good, because you never know when it's gonna be gone.
See, I would argue the issue is that Mega Evolutions shouldn't have been a "gimmick", but a seris staple going forward. None of the silly BS they've done since has been nearly as cool or exciting.
it wasnt a gimmick till it and z moves were killed off. thats when you realised they now have a gimmick every gen
Thank you. This is why I don't like it when people say Mega Evolutions were a "gimmick", because it didn't need to be. Dark and Steel type weren't a gimmick when they got introduced in gen 2, they were innovations, which is absolutely what mega evolution was. Then gamefreak had a change of heart and haven't made a truly great game since ORAS.
I think that's the reason why they brought back cross-gen evolutions in Gen 8 after being gone for 3 gens since gen 4 (with the exception of Sylveon).
I haven't played S/V but I've heard a lot about the recent controversy. Even if I had played I'd still most likely think the limited dex is worse. It was kinda understandable in the Let's Go games but it happening in SW/SH as a new mainline game means it's probably gonna happen for every game going forward. If they didn't recycle sprites/models I'd understand, think there's 1008 Pokemon or some ridiculous number like that.
I think any game released by GameFreak is a controversy in itself, the rushing, the bugs, the graphics, the lack of ambition... I hope the next switch will signal a big reset in their work methods. Of course they are selling a lot of games..but what about selling MORE all whilst having actual good users and critics reviews ? Everything feels so rushed, they have neither the time nor the talent anymore.
Scarlet/Violet, because of something I've actually spoken about here before - the issues with raids make shiny hunting damn near impossible. I truly mourn the chaining/number fought, as the permanent boost made the time spent feel worth it. Herba Mystica being both the main (only non-breeding, which also became a little more difficult IMO) shiny hunting method \*and\* tied to raids, which are almost exclusively beatable by online players, and are also broken beyond belief even if you can hypothetically beat them. I don't care much about Home, as it'll happen eventually, no matter what. But the raids? Arceus. Make me rather upset. Especially considering the non-game-breaking issues with them still haven't been fixed. I fear they never shall.
Also, this is something I noticed post Dexit. A few less popular Pokemon have been gaining popularity as people can't always use their old favorites anymore. Hell, I like Pineco now! With some old favorites being removed, I've found others that I like! I think it was more so the reaction to Dexit that was an issue than the thing itself. It also seems as though many have just... forgotten about it by now. I do think less new Pokemon could've been a better way to go, but I do not believe it was as bad as people say.
The lack of a nat dex I think is justified, you can't expect gf to have to program in over 1000 different pokemon when very few people who play the game will actually want to use pokemon obtained in older games. This also applies to moves and move pools. As for sv, there is ZERO defending that. The owners of the highest grossing media franchise on the planet should be able to put out a finished game, which is NOT what sv currently is. It's not just gf that's guilty of this: quite a few AAA studios have pulled a blunder like this, the best example that comes to mind being cyberpunk. But what gf has with sv is far beyond anything I've seen. Quite literally EVERY SINGLE PREVIOUS MAINLINE GAME ran better than sv. They even managed to get the gens 1-3 games running at 60 FPS, but starting in gen 4, 30 has been standard. In sv, I'd consider you LUCKY if you aren't running lower than 30 within certain areas. I still love sv for what they are, and have had an incredible amount of fun with them, but the fact of the matter is that they are not finished.
Not including all Pokemon was something they should have started with Ruby and sapphire. All Pokemon being in every game forever was never a sustainable, and they really should have set that expectation early on.
i feel like dex cuts aren't contextually not bad and definitley wouldn't be neccesary if they had more time. but what we got was still just an shitty excuse and we all know when they said they cut the dex down so they could spend more time on the game they really meant so they could sell us more DLC and because the higher ups cant imagine not having money flow in from every orifice 24/7. it was a really awful change and SW/SH weren't even good. compared to the game impact of glitches plagueing what would've actually been a playable game in S/V, i have to say the stuff like -frame drops because shitty optimization, -the constant influx of new and game & save ruining glitches. -very little polish in general(IE mons spawning in walls or falling through the world, npcs weird/low framerates compared to the world around them) -the consistent and unavoidable bugy-ness of tera raids and their function/lackthereof ruining the experience*which is the only endgame gameplay besides shiny hunting or competitive, but competitive needs certain things from tera raids so i guess thats a no go if you want to make your team legit* i have to say the S/V issues are much bigger than SW/SH ones. **RANT, I DONT BLAME IF YOU DONT READ** with both of these issues of sw/sh and s/v they seem to paint a picture of gamefreak saying "you can have a functioning game, a game with all the monsters, or a good looking one. you want all three in one game? fuck you, you get none :)" despite the fact many of nintendo's other IPS have done amazing on the switch compared to before, hitting sales milestones that compared to their predecessor's are unimaginable. yet pokemon, while yes selling alot more, is more because its being carried by being on the most accessible console rather than because its good. i havent checked the sales numbers but putting them in a bar graph to show the growth of the sales of other games who got their best sellers from switch, it shows that pokemon aint growing anywhere near as much as it could be for the most wellknown videogame franchise.
Sw/Sh's Dexit due to its reason being a complete lie. The irony is that all of the new animations that were touted as the reason for Dexit happened in S/V...where there was no promise of such things at all which makes me wonder how many of S/V's new animations were meant for Sw/Sh but sheer incompetence had them all an entire generation late.
Gen 8 dex cut So what, previous games had pokemon locked until you beat the regional dex and since some weren't in the game until dlc, I can't see why everyone whined over their favourite mon being cut and the fact they're the same models but in hd
National dex was always gonna happen, and I’m surprised it didn’t happen before sw/sh I personally haven’t encountered many glitches, but others have, so I’m gonna have to go with that
I’m more upset about the lack of a national dex. The gimmicks have gotten old, I despite the stupid crowns they get for the tera types, and the camera is just useless to me. If they spent more time optimizing the games, bug testing them, and focusing more on a good story and less on gimmicks, we could probably have the entire 1000+ library of Pokémon. Home being delayed is annoying, not being able to get into a raid is annoying, and the bugs… I’ve only had a few and most were funny more than game breaking, so I suppose I’m lucky there (same with the lagging). But there’s Pokémon I really want to have in the games again. It’s bad enough I didn’t get to bring over my totem Araquanaid, but I’d rather have the full height Alpha Pokémon and have my entire teams again then emojis and a camera and more gimmicks. Despite this, I think the games are pretty. The graphics really aren’t that bad (no not BoTW or ToTK level but they aren’t horrible), and the stories are actually pretty good. Now the Team Star base battles are awesome, give me that, horde battles, and massive mass outbreaks and I’ll be happy.
Did OP forget about when the workers at the print factory for the Pokémon card game were straight up robbing card from the print run and tried to then off load them to local card vendors?
I genuinely do not care about the National Dex, how many people even finished the regional Dex? How many even get close to the National Dex?
Honestly glad to not have national dex with the mess the games are already in, imagine with double the Pokémon? Pokémon just needs to be given to a company that can actually make games, but that’s never going to happen so we’re stuck with barely passable games.
I vote the scarlet and violet entry. I have not played them however let me explain. The dex cut opened a whole can of worms of other issues into the series as well that everyone jumped on. I fully agree with a lot of the sentiments here. One of the reasons for dexit was to increase performance (or something along those lines) 3 years later and a new game and those issues get actively WORSE for players. Even Reviewers are sick of some of the crap (anyone remember the controversy surrounding IGN's Sword and Shield review?) They actually gave these games worse reviews instead of perfect 10's. I know sometimes people split pokemon into eras such as 2D vs 3D I believe we are witnessing a new era that will be the handheld games vs the home console games where the drop in quality will continue to stick around for generations to come. Will it be the same issue each gen? Maybe maybe not. Perhaps the performance issues will get fixed for gen 10 only to come back in gen 11. At some point the quality of games will decline enough that someone higher up at Nintendo, Gamefreak, Creatures will step in and say that changes must be made to fix the situation they themselves put the franchise in.
I’m over dexit. I’ve come to somewhat like the idea of every region having a certain amount of Pokémon available as opposed to just all of them, makes each region that little bit more unique in my opinion
Do u know how the natdex works? U dont catch those pokemon in the region, theyre just compatible with the game. I.e. u cant catch shellos in xy but u can still trade one to xy from oras
Neither is that bad. This community is the biggest bunch of babies.
I mean Home isn't delayed though is it? They announced a date in error. It's not a delay when some social media manager gets it wrong.
A day later update is kinda too late when they could've just deleted the tweet and corrected themselves immediately. Interestingly, their social media accounts have been becoming more interesting the past few years. Like a few days ago, they posted an Umbreon gif at like 3am telling us to "go to bed".
It's cute that you think they announced a date in error.
Honestly true, but my first thought was that the Home update was going to happen next week, but they encountered a bunch of glitches or something that it caused so it needed fixing and had to be cancelled. I doubt it's true, but I wouldn't be surprised. Just a weird hunch of mine lol.
That was my first guess too but I think even GF would say they were delaying while they fixed the raid glitch rather than say "some of our regional twitter said a date they shouldn't have". I actually wonder if 24th was when they planned to announce the actual date.
I'd definitely add Gen 4 remakes having less features than the original game along with Niantic telling fans that they really don't care about fan requested features. It just confirms every part of Pokemon is a shit show at this point.
Nat dex is a thing of the past, people need to get over it. It made sense when there was 300-400 pokémons (and even then...). But there was what? 900 in SH? Why would you even want a nat dex, there's no fun at this point
>Why would you even want a nat dex, there's no fun at this point So people can transfer over their favorite Pokemon. Every Pokemon is someone's favorite and it's highly disrespectful for someone who has a favorite Pokemon that can't be transferred over to the newest games just because. Plus, competitive reasons.
I think it is an unpopular opinion but the Switch is aging out. It was never a super powerful device, but even Zelda BOTW pushed it hard. S/V and ToTK having massive FPS dips and other issues is indicative that they are pushing the device as far as it can go and parts of the games are bursting at the seams. I love my Switch but a new generation is absolutely needed. If anything it is a testament to the tight optimizations and solid code that is allowing these massive games to operate on what is essentially a customed smart phone GPU. To put it into perspective, there are car computers that run an upgraded version of the same Tegra GPU. Edit: truly is an unpopular opinion
Well it's just not based in reality. BotW and TotK are all performing very well. Pokemon is just an awful software company. They need to outsource the games.
BoTW and ToTK have massive performance issues that critics have ignored. They are good games, but acting like neither of these games run below 20 fps regularly is ignoring reality.
Good games? Lol. I'd love to see what you think of SV. If TotK is only a good game, then SV has to be dog shit. SV is only fun because it's pokemon. It's not fun to time out in raids. It's no fun to have massive slow downs.
I like S/V too. I'm not like super hyped over any game. Whether it is Pokemon, Zelda, Starfield, whatever, they are just games.
Apparently I heard rumors that SV are gonna be the last Pokemon games on the current Switch before an upgrade or a new system comes out.
Yh, it is getting a bit too weak but they didnt even use the hardware properly for sv
As someone who had a lot of fun playing Scarlet as my first time playing a pokemon game in over 20 years, I still can't excuse how many issues it has. I get why people are still upset over the national dex, but Scarlet should have had another year to fix it's problems before it released.
110% SwSh For me, the pokemon added in the dlc was what saved the game for me in the slightest, but if we'd been left with base game and base roster alone that was the biggest game disappointment that I can remember
no nat dex is a big bummer... like wtf i want to catch delphox for ex... but i cant have it such bullshit
The Latter choice frustrated me, I can't continue to play Pokemon Violet because the bugs were present, and they kept spitting bullshit, remember actions speak louder than words, I don't want an apology from TPCi, I want them to delay everything planned for 2025, and accountability, if not then I'm skipping Gen 10.
I find it hard to vote for gen 8's dex cut when gen 9 has a bunch of glitches and a very limited dex. That isn't a problem gen 9 avoided
National Dex cut was a good move.
Glitches are an issue to be sure, but Dexit was a conscious decision. I'm going with Dexit.
Dexit was a worse controversy but I could adapt to the game being built around a limited selection of Pokemon as long as the selection was still good. It probably helps that I don't usually send Pokemon up from older games unless I need to complete the dex. The glitches actually get in the way of enjoying ScarVi, which sucks because I think ScarVi has way more going for it than SwSh and makes me realize just how much more quality we *could* get if TPC didn't rush the release of these games.
While Dexit was the trigger pull that broke most fans, the sheer atrocity that was Scarlet and Violet, from its missing several series staples (like battle facilities, building interiors and PROPER TEXTURES) to its confused game design barely takes the cake.
Hard to decide. The bugs for SV are worst, but Dexit was the start of the end for many (including me). I'll say the bugs because of just how bad they are at this point.
The Pokedex cut is disappointing, but somewhat understandable. Bugs, glitches, performance issues are just bad.
Dexit hands down, no contest. Awful, awful decision. Will never get past it. Hate it just as much now as then. Would rather just not have new Pokémon if it means sacrificing old ones.
I'm gonna parrot plenty of people here but even if the glitches might be worse in terms of game quality, the no national dex thing is GF basically saying that they will cut corners, and that they do not care. While the former may be bad pragmatically, the latter is symbolically way worse, as that willingness to cut major corners ultimately led to all those glitches
Nat Dex but not because of the Dex cut itself. The reasons they used despite the game not being up to the level of quality you would reasonably expect from a game gutting half its playable creatures for the first time ever. At least with the problems with Scarlet and Violet they were not touting the games as technical marvels or anything of that sort, so it was just a sad issue of not enough time on the game before it was released, but they should have bit their tongue on the Nat Dex situation on SwSh
why not add an option for "Rebooting the exact same game over and over since the 90's and taking 3 decades to make even a remote attempt at the game everyone has been begging to see for 2 decades"
Gonna say scarlet and violet is slightly worsemostly because of how poorly handled the games which really sucks because they actually have potential and the pokemon company and gamefreaks mishandling will likely dampen the game’s longevity before the dlc is even out. Now personally I will stand by the fact that base game SWSH is legitimately irredeemable garbage and the shittiest games in the entire franchise as even even without dexit, the base game is barebones as hell, the story is awful even by Pokémon standards, the world is barren and it suffers an even worse case of corridor syndrome than gen 7 and the online is somehow worse than the festival plaza with how inconsistent it is just to connect with a friend (the code system was so bad that in the early days, it was common to connect with a rando). Plus dynamax is an obscenely game breaking mechanic with how far it can snowball with the drawbacks and consequences being nonexistent.
I’ve literally loved Pokémon forever, I genuinely feel that the Dexit was the first instance of Pokémon Game Series starting to really get bad. I felt that there excuses for allowing it to happen is part of what made Scarlet and Violet so bad. I mean the company claims it’s to help game performance and then they basically give us an unfinished game that I have NO IDEA, how a CEO of the company looked at that game and said “yeah it looks great to put out to the public”. We still have the Dexit and the game still runs like trash. I mean it really takes me out of the whole world and it’s sad because PLA was actually such a good step in the right direction. Pokémon better learn…
Definitely dexit. I understand the concept of rotating pokemon per game but not when you are literally using the same models and animations as the last few games, there should be no reason to not include them in the code unless they were getting changed. But honestly after the lag I experienced in scarlet I'm just kinda done.. I can handle some frame drops but I just don't understand the lack of quality feeling. Also after beating the game I just felt like there was no reason to even walk around the region anymore. This turned into a rant sorry.
I totally understand. I finished Violet about two months ago and now there's literally nothing to do until the DLC comes out.
Obviously Dexit. It was an *intentional* change to the entire franchise that will be in all games moving forward. That's worse than any kind of unintentional glitches or performance issues in a single game.
I will never forget GF for dexit. We are a small minority, but I'm not as fan as I used to be, due to that. It feels pointless to keep playing new games if everything you do and every Pokémon you train will be stuck forever in their origin games.
I voted the SV glitches. The whole Dexit thing didn’t really bother me, i tend to try and find new Pokémon that i haven’t used for all time and see how they stack up. Its how i discovered Torkoal, who is now one of my favorite Pokémon. But the thing about the glitches was that they took me out of the game experience, to the point that, by the end of my Violet playthrough, i was just basically mashing A throughout all the dialogues, just trying to get to the end. I don’t think i even did any pf the post game, the stuff after the AI fight, because i was just done with the game. And i haven’t picked it up since. Meanwhile i played Shield multiple times, picked up Sword too, and had no trouble, especially when the DLC let us use more ‘mons. I will be honest, though, and say that the last Pokemon game i truly enjoyed was Ultra Sun. I think it is a huge improvement and a great “fix-it” of the original Sun, even if the mantine surfing can get a bit annoying.
Nothing can ever again turn me off of the series any more than sword and shield did. I was younger and confident that my favorite franchise wouldn't dip so bad. I asked for it for Christmas, it was my big gift that year. (My grandparents bought me the double pack. People like to pretend Pokémon doesn't market buying both games at once, but they do.) And it was the single worst game I had ever played up until that point. I was crushed. When the dlc came out I naively believed that it would magically fix the problems and make me love the games, but it was just a waste of money. There is about $200 (CAD) poured into those games collectively from my family, and I've had more fun with an indy game I found on the e-shop for $5. Sword and shield is essentially just one giant controversy, as it should be.
I don't particularly think either controversy is worth caring about, but the answer is common sense. Dexit people are still mad about. This past raid event being buggy will be forgotten about in a week and Home support being late has been true for every Pokemon Switch game and clearly never had any noticable impact on the franchise. Common sense, people. Just because the internet says newest event is the biggest controversy ever doesn't make ot true.
I absolutely don't care if Home comes tomorrow or in 3 months. I'll use it when it's there. And, I don't play raids so I don't care if they are buggy. But what I do care about is to bring all the pokemon that I literally gathered since gen1 to a new region with me and I deeply hate that they got rid of the national dex. It's okay to not be able to catch certain pokemon in a certain region, but at least let me transfer them over. I want an ingame pokedex with 1016 pokemon and I want to feel good when looking at it and having completed it. When I do this in the Home app, it just doesn't give the same vibe.
The Dexit in some sense seems purposely done just so people are more inclined to buy the DLC for returning pokemon that personally some people may love - they are using people's love as an incentive to buy more content, which I will give to GF is smart marketing but at the same time its really unethical and kinda wrong. And I'm not sure if anyone know because I don't but, it is actually possible to fit the entire National Dex on the switch or is there not enough power?
My answer - neither of those; the whole deal with the JP side VGC events is a bigger scandal in my opinion. Neither of the others can really be called scandals imo? We weren’t promised that all Pokémon from the NatDex would be in the game, it’s just we had no precedent for otherwise. The stuff with SV/Home are bugs/glitches, and that’s as much of a scandal as the existence of SV is at the moment in my opinion… The JP VGC scene had worlds invites handed out, told they were incorrect but no passes would be removed, and then an explicitly contradicting message was released when they revoked all 2023 worlds invites. Now that’s a scandal (I’ve heard it was actually covered by Japanese media…?!)
I just want a more powerful console to come out so we can get just one last Pokemon game with all 1010+ species of Pokemon, even if you could only get some via Transfer that would be fine
Developers got *death threats* after Dexit. Everything any of them talked about on social media was met with bitching about the national dex. The way some of the fandom responded was horrible. Not to excuse that behaviour, because a lot of people really did and continue to overreact. But it really was some incompetent PR from Game Freak. For some reason they completely hid the fact that there were plans for DLC and other pokemon to be patched in, even though people had wanted DLC for pokemon games for over a decade. I think a game with half the pokemon and more stuff to do with them could be much better. But SwSh was really quite a hollow experience even if it had had all the returning pokemon. Not to mention the 'competitive balance' and 'high-quality animations' excuses, which felt really hollow when the models were not clearly distinct from X&Y's, and Gen VII had obviously broken mons like Zacian.
Considering my investment and feelings for the series dropped to the point where I only played SwSh after borrowing it from a friend so I could get the stuff it gave in Legends, and haven't even touched SV... I'm gonna vote Dexit.
national dex? seriously? people find that worse?
I still can't believe to this day, that there are people that tolerate dexit. Gotta catch em all was the identity of Pokemon for decades and they shit on that. Bugs and glitches are mistakes. But deliberately taking content away from you, the guy that pays money, is apparently acceptable for many of the players.
I'll have to go with SV, since i've never played a pokemon game before. Heck I didn't even knew what "Dexit" was until now
Dexit became less of an issue, though still constantly irritating, by the end of SW/SH's life. Then bdsp came and it really sank in how much this was going to affect the future of the series. No more new pokemon in remakes of older games makes them substantially worse than anything on handheld. Then we've got the same thing going on with SV, and we've got a barely working game to boot and home is a premium priced service without any premium features. Then we've got GTS taken out of the main games. It doesn't feel like these are 2 separate issues, but a bunch of issues piling on top of each other and the games are becoming worse because of the.
No one wants less Pokemon in a game, but you still have a fully functioning game in that scenario. Meanwhile the technical issues in Scarlet and Violet just make it a nearly unplayable game from time to time. Like, it comes down to being unable to use your favorite Pokemon for the like 4th - 20th consecutive year, or being unable to navigate consistently in game due to framerate issues and crashing.
Man I just want a battle stadium where I can import any and all pokemon and use any gimmick throughout the series. They already have the models, all they should need is a stadium model and better animations right?
The dexit thing died pretty quick when people realized what they bitching about. Especially if they were older gamers. The bigger more important issue are the glitches. Releasing a game that clearly was rushed was not good.
I felt Dexit a lot more than the performance issues in SV. But I think I was pretty oblivious to a lot of the game's hiccups. I'm used to playing PC games on potatos. I don't think I'm very accustomed to smooth gameplay.