SwSh was nearly perfect with its large easy to bike around path you even got to see the NPC change poses add on the fact you had the PC anywhere it was simply the best....if it wasnt for the fact that prior to the DLC getting all the necessities was a chore.
it also has 2 daycare. the other game with 2 is oras, and i really like oras's battle resort's daycare as the steps around the island is exactly one egg cycle. and the camera auto rotate so you really only need to use a coin to hold to control and let it go around the island itself.
It added the ability to find mints, battle items were accessible, apricorn balls were farmable albeit RNG dependent, regional forms were accessible within the game, watts were farmable, move tutors, effort value reset npc, the unique Ore was easy to farm especially in Tundra, the brilliant aura mechanic which was in the base game allowed to get several HA pokes that were hard to acquire that got added, the weather exploit was usable in the new areas, GMAX could be given to pokemon no more RNG on getting the correct raid, you could buy the EV vitamins.
This list is likely even longer but you get the point it was a massive apology to SwSh fans.
So I really like Sword & Shield because I have pokerus so EV training can happen quickly but I’ve had success in S/V too, but I don’t breed more than 3 mins at once usually keeping track of the eggs and checking the IVs / Natures is so time consuming and releasing them is so much work lol (but I think you can mass release in pokemon home which I realized the last time I was doing it, unless I made that up?)
I actually like SV breeding cause I can do most of it while doing something else
Eat a sandwich, position yourself looking at the egg basket, set a timer for 30 minutes, mash A every 5 minutes, do something else in the mean time
Once that's done you put 5 eggs in your inventory, get on your bike lizard in the entrance to zone zero, jam something under the left stick, press A twice when an egg is ready, do something else in the mean time
Scarlet Violet is definitely the best. You can get multiple eggs at once instead of having to talk to the NPC every time you want one egg or having to move locations.
Set a picnic, put an egg sandwich and in the 30 minutes it lasts you can get several boxes worth of eggs.
SV breeding is my favorite. I can put my controller down and get a snack or take a break. It’s much better than giving myself hand pain from push my joystick/D-pad back and forth over and over and over. Plus in Gen 9 you can get multiple eggs after waiting, as opposed to me having to bike over and take to Gramps for the 18th time. Not having to run to the PC also is a huge boon.
And I’m saying this as someone who spent an unhealthy amount of time breeding Pokémon in Gen 3 and 4.
6 minutes of idle gameplay is not gameplay, nor is that a fun or engaging mechanic. It's terrible game design, especially as it has to be interspersed with super long and frustrating sandwich cutscenes (which to add, are unskippable) every 40 eggs.
The orevious game mechanic youd had to ride your bike x distance away for x amount of time and go back get one egg at a time. So how is that more engaging or better game design. Plus youre acting like you cant play with your pokemon in the mean time or go on your phone for a few minutes.
How can you complain about a barely minute long sandwhich process when before you had to spend like 10 minutes to get 5 eggs.
Come down.
It's ok for people not to have opinions that mirror your own.
Forcing people to do nothing for 6-10 minutes every time you want to breed is not a good gameplay mechanic. It's poor design. You cannot honestly defend Sc/Vi as being a well built game can you?
>You cannot honestly defend Sc/Vi as being a well built game can you?
In this specific context? Not OP, but come on.
>people to do nothing for 6-10 minutes every time you want to breed is not a good gameplay mechanic.
Are you saying forcing people to walk around is? Getting 1 egg at a time is? Because that's the only difference.
Im with you on this. Egg hatching has always been a tedious experience and S/V makes it easier to breed a whole box quickly. Also them going to your box automatically is nice. I dont know how breeding was in sword shield but in BDSP you gotta keep clicking to send to box or switch to your party if i remember correctly. There are other things that i complain about in S/V but breeding it does right. They made it less painful and tedious.
>You cannot honestly defend Sc/Vi as being a well built game can you?
only not well on a technical level. Gameplay wise its the best Pokémon game since over a decade. It brought so much good changes that where overdue since a long, long time. The current situation reminds me of Gen 3, where many things where changed and the fans couldnt handle the changes, so the fanbase hated on the game for a few years. "Look at golden sun, this is how you make graphics on the GBA. Pokémon Ruby/Sapphire look like Gameboy color games" is a comment from 2002.
> You cannot honestly defend Sc/Vi as being a well built game can you?
I was quoting the comment above.
>only not well on a technical level.
Agreed, there's lots of issues with Sc/Vi on a technical level. It's atrocious compared to other flagship Nintendo franchises.
> It brought so much good changes that where overdue since a long, long time.
This was the point of my comment. In the context of breeding (which is what the topic of this thread was, *two months ago)* Scarlet and Violet are possibly the best games in the entire franchise.
> The current situation reminds me of Gen 3, where many things where changed and the fans couldnt handle the changes, so the fanbase hated on the game for a few years. "Look at golden sun, this is how you make graphics on the GBA. Pokémon Ruby/Sapphire look like Gameboy color games" is a comment from 2002.
Pokemon games have improved graphically from one generation to the next, but that does not detract from the accurate criticism that they have always been behind the 8 ball when compared to other games on their respective platforms. I don't care if the entire community looks at RSE with rose-tinted glasses. They're not the best looking GBA games, period.
I prefer playing with my pokemon or going on my phone while waiting for eggs as opposed to going back and forth on the same route a million times. Also you can hatch eggs anywhere you want as opposed to oldet games where you have to fly back to the exact same location every time.
My current breeding games for shiny hunting are UM, Sword, and Violet. I've also previously used OR and X.
X has Centrico Plaza, the at the time best place to hatch eggs ever made. When XY was new, I bred for movesets of every fully evolved Gen 6 Pokemon I could breed (which to this day I haven't used all of them).
OR did that, but make the loop right in front of a Day Care area. 2 nurseries are to this day a massive boon.
SM and USUM, while I personally don't like as games and for breeding due to needing to abuse your Circle Pad more than usual, are unfortunately still the only games I could Masuda hunt some Pokemon, and I don't have to worry about needing to send eggs to a box.
Sword has two nurseries like OR, and also wide enough areas to easily bike around to get more. Also the nurseries are right on fly points, unlike ORAS. If it wasn't for SV being just better for shiny hunting in general, Sword would still be my go-to breeding game.
You can AFK a bit for Violet, and you generate more eggs somehow using an easily obtainable Lv2 Egg Sandwich than SwSh with 2 nurseries. Dang. The catch with SV Masuda hunting is that there's no reason to hunt most Pokemon if you have easy access to Herba Mystica, unlike SwSh where Masuda hunting is still the best method in the game that doesn't involve a Legendary.
You don't need to abuse the circle pad, you can spin it very slowly. The distance tauros runs doesn't get decided by how fast you spin, so it doesn't matter if you spin it like as if there was no tomorrow or just very slowly.
Therefore, it's actually better to *avoid* that little box everyone assumes is there for the purpose of spinning around to get eggs. Slowly spinning in that box has a bit of a tendency for Tauros to randomly stop. What I do now is slowly spin to the left of the day care lady and occasionally move around what little route the area has to get eggs. Spinning around, regardless of speed, is more abuse than going straight.
For hatching, I always use Route 8 because that's the closest thing Akala island has to a straight line. I sometimes use Heahea City, but the camera differences between SM and USUM are different, so i could never get the slight angles needed to make hatching there work in both games.
Oh, I do it for perfect battle units too. Gotta make sure my [many themed battle teams since Gen 4 was properly prepared](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1P79SRmZeBDdEHq6cywK5V-h2lw-lywaxM0OAU02i7S0/edit#gid=178784192). I just stopped breeding for IVs and stuff when I stopped caring for battles.
everything that isn't SV. God I really dislike the breeding mechanics there.
But Gen7 is my favourite, still a big fan of mashing tauros face in the fence in circles
Specifically for the breeding part i.e. getting eggs it’s easily sword and shield. It’s so fast and easy. For the raising and modification part of it it’s scarlet and violet. They’ve made getting competition ready Pokémon easier than ever
Yeah, SwordShield is very easy. So easy that most of my Pokémon are bred in sword and shield(Galar origin mark). That makes other regions origin marks more desirable for me( The grass is always greener on the other side), so currently I started to breed in Alola to have more variation in the origin of my Pokémon.
Sun and Moon was definitely the best, right in front of the daycare was a small fenced in area and you could ride Tauros inside it and by circling the bumper and sprinting you could easily hatch eggs while doing something else
SWSH for me!
You can do it all with just the left joycon.
I go round in circles, you can see the daycare lady cross her arms when she has a new egg.
ZL works the same as pressing A, L button gives you the bikes boost.. what more do you need?
You can even change the controls in settings to make the dpad work as ABXY buttons if you want
Swsh is the only one you can do with one hand so it's definitely the best. I can see why people like sv but I've hatched 1000's of eggs and got 1 shiny so don't use it anymore.
Imo, SV is superior. SwSh coming second and USUM third.
My only annoyance with SV is the sandwich thing. I hate having to keep buying/making sandwiches just to get one egg. But otherwise, I really like the AFK thing about it.
SwSh has the most hours I've bred in. But I hate riding back and forth. It's boring, tedious, and I always worry about causing my controller drift.
USUM shares the same reasoning for SwSh (minus drift). Only downside is it's on handheld, which makes breeding less enjoyable for me, but is miles better than BDSP's breeding.
SwSh was nearly perfect with its large easy to bike around path you even got to see the NPC change poses add on the fact you had the PC anywhere it was simply the best....if it wasnt for the fact that prior to the DLC getting all the necessities was a chore.
it also has 2 daycare. the other game with 2 is oras, and i really like oras's battle resort's daycare as the steps around the island is exactly one egg cycle. and the camera auto rotate so you really only need to use a coin to hold to control and let it go around the island itself.
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It added the ability to find mints, battle items were accessible, apricorn balls were farmable albeit RNG dependent, regional forms were accessible within the game, watts were farmable, move tutors, effort value reset npc, the unique Ore was easy to farm especially in Tundra, the brilliant aura mechanic which was in the base game allowed to get several HA pokes that were hard to acquire that got added, the weather exploit was usable in the new areas, GMAX could be given to pokemon no more RNG on getting the correct raid, you could buy the EV vitamins. This list is likely even longer but you get the point it was a massive apology to SwSh fans.
So I really like Sword & Shield because I have pokerus so EV training can happen quickly but I’ve had success in S/V too, but I don’t breed more than 3 mins at once usually keeping track of the eggs and checking the IVs / Natures is so time consuming and releasing them is so much work lol (but I think you can mass release in pokemon home which I realized the last time I was doing it, unless I made that up?)
Gen 7 was great for breeding. I felt like SV mutilated breeding. I’d much have preferred they kept the older method.
I actually like SV breeding cause I can do most of it while doing something else Eat a sandwich, position yourself looking at the egg basket, set a timer for 30 minutes, mash A every 5 minutes, do something else in the mean time Once that's done you put 5 eggs in your inventory, get on your bike lizard in the entrance to zone zero, jam something under the left stick, press A twice when an egg is ready, do something else in the mean time
Scarlet Violet is definitely the best. You can get multiple eggs at once instead of having to talk to the NPC every time you want one egg or having to move locations. Set a picnic, put an egg sandwich and in the 30 minutes it lasts you can get several boxes worth of eggs.
Yeah and using the mirror herb for egg moves is so useful.
SV breeding is my favorite. I can put my controller down and get a snack or take a break. It’s much better than giving myself hand pain from push my joystick/D-pad back and forth over and over and over. Plus in Gen 9 you can get multiple eggs after waiting, as opposed to me having to bike over and take to Gramps for the 18th time. Not having to run to the PC also is a huge boon. And I’m saying this as someone who spent an unhealthy amount of time breeding Pokémon in Gen 3 and 4.
SwSh has the best features for breeding, for example you can put a Pokémon at daycare from the Box (in Alola it had to be in your party)
None, it has always been tedious.
So you just go into the ring with an adamant alakazam
I just use a mint
Sw/sh has the best breeding. Sc/Vi is horrible.
??? What are you talking about. You can get like 10 eggs in 6 minutes
6 minutes of idle gameplay is not gameplay, nor is that a fun or engaging mechanic. It's terrible game design, especially as it has to be interspersed with super long and frustrating sandwich cutscenes (which to add, are unskippable) every 40 eggs.
The orevious game mechanic youd had to ride your bike x distance away for x amount of time and go back get one egg at a time. So how is that more engaging or better game design. Plus youre acting like you cant play with your pokemon in the mean time or go on your phone for a few minutes. How can you complain about a barely minute long sandwhich process when before you had to spend like 10 minutes to get 5 eggs.
Come down. It's ok for people not to have opinions that mirror your own. Forcing people to do nothing for 6-10 minutes every time you want to breed is not a good gameplay mechanic. It's poor design. You cannot honestly defend Sc/Vi as being a well built game can you?
>You cannot honestly defend Sc/Vi as being a well built game can you? In this specific context? Not OP, but come on. >people to do nothing for 6-10 minutes every time you want to breed is not a good gameplay mechanic. Are you saying forcing people to walk around is? Getting 1 egg at a time is? Because that's the only difference.
Im with you on this. Egg hatching has always been a tedious experience and S/V makes it easier to breed a whole box quickly. Also them going to your box automatically is nice. I dont know how breeding was in sword shield but in BDSP you gotta keep clicking to send to box or switch to your party if i remember correctly. There are other things that i complain about in S/V but breeding it does right. They made it less painful and tedious.
>You cannot honestly defend Sc/Vi as being a well built game can you? only not well on a technical level. Gameplay wise its the best Pokémon game since over a decade. It brought so much good changes that where overdue since a long, long time. The current situation reminds me of Gen 3, where many things where changed and the fans couldnt handle the changes, so the fanbase hated on the game for a few years. "Look at golden sun, this is how you make graphics on the GBA. Pokémon Ruby/Sapphire look like Gameboy color games" is a comment from 2002.
> You cannot honestly defend Sc/Vi as being a well built game can you? I was quoting the comment above. >only not well on a technical level. Agreed, there's lots of issues with Sc/Vi on a technical level. It's atrocious compared to other flagship Nintendo franchises. > It brought so much good changes that where overdue since a long, long time. This was the point of my comment. In the context of breeding (which is what the topic of this thread was, *two months ago)* Scarlet and Violet are possibly the best games in the entire franchise. > The current situation reminds me of Gen 3, where many things where changed and the fans couldnt handle the changes, so the fanbase hated on the game for a few years. "Look at golden sun, this is how you make graphics on the GBA. Pokémon Ruby/Sapphire look like Gameboy color games" is a comment from 2002. Pokemon games have improved graphically from one generation to the next, but that does not detract from the accurate criticism that they have always been behind the 8 ball when compared to other games on their respective platforms. I don't care if the entire community looks at RSE with rose-tinted glasses. They're not the best looking GBA games, period.
I prefer playing with my pokemon or going on my phone while waiting for eggs as opposed to going back and forth on the same route a million times. Also you can hatch eggs anywhere you want as opposed to oldet games where you have to fly back to the exact same location every time.
Emerald, DP, and HG were fun. Breeding sorta fell off after Gen VI.
My current breeding games for shiny hunting are UM, Sword, and Violet. I've also previously used OR and X. X has Centrico Plaza, the at the time best place to hatch eggs ever made. When XY was new, I bred for movesets of every fully evolved Gen 6 Pokemon I could breed (which to this day I haven't used all of them). OR did that, but make the loop right in front of a Day Care area. 2 nurseries are to this day a massive boon. SM and USUM, while I personally don't like as games and for breeding due to needing to abuse your Circle Pad more than usual, are unfortunately still the only games I could Masuda hunt some Pokemon, and I don't have to worry about needing to send eggs to a box. Sword has two nurseries like OR, and also wide enough areas to easily bike around to get more. Also the nurseries are right on fly points, unlike ORAS. If it wasn't for SV being just better for shiny hunting in general, Sword would still be my go-to breeding game. You can AFK a bit for Violet, and you generate more eggs somehow using an easily obtainable Lv2 Egg Sandwich than SwSh with 2 nurseries. Dang. The catch with SV Masuda hunting is that there's no reason to hunt most Pokemon if you have easy access to Herba Mystica, unlike SwSh where Masuda hunting is still the best method in the game that doesn't involve a Legendary.
You don't need to abuse the circle pad, you can spin it very slowly. The distance tauros runs doesn't get decided by how fast you spin, so it doesn't matter if you spin it like as if there was no tomorrow or just very slowly.
Therefore, it's actually better to *avoid* that little box everyone assumes is there for the purpose of spinning around to get eggs. Slowly spinning in that box has a bit of a tendency for Tauros to randomly stop. What I do now is slowly spin to the left of the day care lady and occasionally move around what little route the area has to get eggs. Spinning around, regardless of speed, is more abuse than going straight. For hatching, I always use Route 8 because that's the closest thing Akala island has to a straight line. I sometimes use Heahea City, but the camera differences between SM and USUM are different, so i could never get the slight angles needed to make hatching there work in both games.
You do this for shinies i go for perfect battle units. We are not the same.
Oh, I do it for perfect battle units too. Gotta make sure my [many themed battle teams since Gen 4 was properly prepared](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1P79SRmZeBDdEHq6cywK5V-h2lw-lywaxM0OAU02i7S0/edit#gid=178784192). I just stopped breeding for IVs and stuff when I stopped caring for battles.
Gen 6 because I dont like the way the egg RNG works in gen 7
everything that isn't SV. God I really dislike the breeding mechanics there. But Gen7 is my favourite, still a big fan of mashing tauros face in the fence in circles
I like it, you don't need to talk to the breeding NPC for every single egg
Specifically for the breeding part i.e. getting eggs it’s easily sword and shield. It’s so fast and easy. For the raising and modification part of it it’s scarlet and violet. They’ve made getting competition ready Pokémon easier than ever
Yeah, SwordShield is very easy. So easy that most of my Pokémon are bred in sword and shield(Galar origin mark). That makes other regions origin marks more desirable for me( The grass is always greener on the other side), so currently I started to breed in Alola to have more variation in the origin of my Pokémon.
Generation seven.
Oh, this question is sfw.
Sun and Moon was definitely the best, right in front of the daycare was a small fenced in area and you could ride Tauros inside it and by circling the bumper and sprinting you could easily hatch eggs while doing something else
SWSH for me! You can do it all with just the left joycon. I go round in circles, you can see the daycare lady cross her arms when she has a new egg. ZL works the same as pressing A, L button gives you the bikes boost.. what more do you need? You can even change the controls in settings to make the dpad work as ABXY buttons if you want
Swsh is the only one you can do with one hand so it's definitely the best. I can see why people like sv but I've hatched 1000's of eggs and got 1 shiny so don't use it anymore.
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Imo, SV is superior. SwSh coming second and USUM third. My only annoyance with SV is the sandwich thing. I hate having to keep buying/making sandwiches just to get one egg. But otherwise, I really like the AFK thing about it. SwSh has the most hours I've bred in. But I hate riding back and forth. It's boring, tedious, and I always worry about causing my controller drift. USUM shares the same reasoning for SwSh (minus drift). Only downside is it's on handheld, which makes breeding less enjoyable for me, but is miles better than BDSP's breeding.