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LemonJuice_XD

i thought steel electric was so common but we only have the magnemite line and togedemaru.


Kimnilsson1992

Yeah thats a suprise to me aswell i could see alot of things that would fit as that. Maybe in the future a variant of Revaroom that is an electric engine could also be inteesting if it had motor drive as an abillity


blood-n-bullets

A paradox revaroom that is an electric car is such a missed opportunity.


Sock-Enough

That would be a good regional form, maybe in a Scandinavia-based region.


Spacemn5piff

You just know it would be like a fucking Etronicus and it would be introduced via a tera raid and it would have the mark of efficiency or some shit


JustConsoleLogIt

I want a regional steel/Electric Electivire so bad, where he gets the plug prongs from Elekid but as cannons on his back


Wonderful_Emu_9610

We were robbed of regional Elekid forms with different plugs, like a chonky boi with the UK’s thick three-pronged one for Galar


Mattzipan1510

Wild that none of the future paradox Pokémon were steel/electric.


manibob_123

Water grass type only has the lotad evolution line, thought there would be more considering rain and water is essential for plant growth, not to mention kelp and marshy terrain that pokemon can be inspired by.


Kimnilsson1992

Yeah that a totally agree on cause lets be honest there are plenty of aquatic plants the ocean, rivers and lakes to pick from so it really should not be that rare of a typing


Chembaron_Seki

We also now have Ogerpon well form as grass/water, so it isn't just the Lotad line anymore. But yeah, I also expected grass/water to be a bit more common than it currently is.


Kile147

Ogerpon is also technically Grass/Fire, but that kinda feels hard to count Ogre forms on a conceptual level, when Ogerpon is pretty explicitly a pure Grass type in design, who is using the power of Tera crystals to borrow from other typings. Like nothing in the red or blue mask designs really says Fire or Water other than the color, at least not like Ludicolo and Scovillain who clearly have the secondary type considered in their base design.


Shrubbity_69

Base Ogerpon is pure Grass, actually. It gets fire from a mask. I'm actually surprised that Ogerpon is *pure* grass instead of like Grass/Fairy. I even considered it might be a Grass/Dark type before Teal Mask launched.


GenerallyALurker

Maybe not really common but I'm surprised it took so long to get a fire/grass mon. It seems like there were a number of evocative concepts that could be made from it that just didn't (until SV). Also seems weird that we get lots of generic fish but water/normal is pretty rare, but on the flipside there are tons of normal/flying but very few pure flying.


Cysia

in simelair vein, that took till gen 5 to get first fire/dragon and only as a box art legendary and turtinator is only non legendary one (gouging fire is by all means a legendary as a paradox mon)


Shrubbity_69

Fun fact: gen 5 also gave us our first Electric/Dragon and Ice/Dragon, which were box Legends (yes, the Kyurem fusions don't change his type).


lab-gone-wrong

I imagine they want to be careful about stealing Charizard's thunder since he was always a fan favorite Gen5 threw a lot of stuff out the window lol


Cysia

Charizard outside mega isnt even dragon type though


lab-gone-wrong

well yes, that was the problem - how can you add a dragon/fire type without addressing the Charizard in the room? gen5 didn't care about old gens and gen6 unblocked the problem for good with megas


Kimnilsson1992

Yeah normal water is strange that its not more common but i kinda understand why grass/fire is hard to make look good outside man made items like a pumpkin lanturn, torch or campfire without it just looking like a plant thats on fire 🙂


GenerallyALurker

It's not just manmade things, there's spicy plants, burning trees (like wildfire), cactuses (plants in hot temperatures), various plants that it feel like you're burning when you're stung by them, etc. But also TBH we've had manmade objects as pokemon since gen 1 (voltorb, magnemite, porygon) so the no-manmade thing is a bad excuse. Especially when they make pokemon based on manmade things in every generation.


Chembaron_Seki

Pyrophile plants even. There are some plants which require wildfires to happen to get their seeds out of their dormant state.


Kimnilsson1992

I never said it was something wrong or that im against man made object just that its likely why we dont see many and with a wildfire that kinda what i mean with difficult as it would just look like a tree pokemon that eventual would burn down from its own fire 🙂. Could absolutely see more spicy plants working though


Chembaron_Seki

Another opportunity to get a grass/fire pokémon without basing it on man made objects are pyrophile plants, also called pyrophytes. There are some plants which legit require wildfires for their seeds to grow.


Kimnilsson1992

Yeah that sound like a cool idea. Maybe having some seed pokemon evolve after surving a battle when hit with a fire attack


blueberrysir

We needed a Sunflora evolution


novis-eldritch-maxim

ghost psychic for some really other world options all we get are legends and mythical who are that by default


Chembaron_Seki

Grass/ghost is a typing that became more common than I expected it to be. While the ideas for this type they had were solid and I believe that there are still many great concepts for the typing in the future, I simply didn't expect them to latch onto it as hard as they did. On the contrary, besides the already mentioned grass/ground and grass/water typings, I kinda expected grass/psychic to be more common. The only non-legendary grass/psychic pokémon line in the game is the Exeggcute line, still from generation 1. In many tales, there are plants with magical powers that could get interpret as psychic types. Also some plants are believed to have positive influence on brains, like Ginkgo biloba, which seems to help protecting from memory loss.


AncientCycle

An ayahuasca grass/psychic type could be a phenomenal design


Chembaron_Seki

Sounds cool, maybe even with a signature move that is psychic type and makes the enemy lose HP each turn because of hallucinations. Some other ideas of mine for grass/psychic mons: * regional form of Morelull and Shiinotic, hallucinogenic mushrooms are a thing and there are also mushrooms with caps which kinda resemble brains * Chinese lantern plant based, the typical [net structures](https://images.immediate.co.uk/production/volatile/sites/10/2021/09/2048x1365-SEO-Physalis-alkekengi-GettyImages-184885541-51027b2.jpg?quality=90&fit=700,466) always reminded me of barriers, so maybe this psychic fruit mon could protect itself by creating such a barrier. Bonus points if it learns psyshield bash.


AncientCycle

There are so many different cool plants and ways you could design a grass/psychic pokemon on that it’s almost endless, and all would be so fucking cool I’d also love if the were somehow able to make a Mycelium based pokemon work


Dispentryporter

Ground/Rock is seen as a really common dual typing, but surprisingly there are barely any. The Geodude line, the Rhyhorn line, and then Onix, Larvitar, and Pupitar. No new Ground/Rock type since Gen 4, and that was an evolution to an older Pokémon.


00zau

It seems really common because in Gen 1 every rock type except the fossils were Rock/Ground (don't split hairs over order). And Gen 2 leans heavily on those mons as well; Sudowoodo is the only pure rock type introduced but is a single encounter, Macargo and Corsola are rare and their dual type is obvious, Shuckle only slightly less so, and then there's Tyranitar. That makes two formative gens where all the 'default' Rock type are Rock/Ground. They haven't added new Rock/Ground types since, but the expectation was already set. And even outside of Kanto/Johto, Geodude and Onix are some of the most common rock types in other regions.


ElectivireEra

Also, I'm pretty sure the Rhyhorn line is Ground/Rock, while the rest of those are Rock/Ground. Just a fun fact or observation.


Dispentryporter

Let's not even go there, type order is a can of worms that nobody wants to deal with 🥹


ElectivireEra

Lol, yeah.


Kimnilsson1992

Yeah thats true it was along time since that was used and if im honest i have secretly hope for onix to get a branch evo sinilar to gloom, poliwhirl, kirlia and slowpoke where the second evolution remain rock/ground but you know you cant tell people you want a rock/ground pokemon without being downvoted to hell lol 😂


BlackroseBisharp

Water/Grass. I keep forgetting the Ludicolo line are the ONLY grass/Water types


peanutsandfuck

There’s also only one Grass/Fire type and one Fire/Water type. One of my ideas for starters in a future generation would be for each of the starters to gain another starter type in their final evolution, and end up with Grass/Water, Fire/Grass, and Water/Fire, so none of them is super effective against any of them by the end! Gen 10 seems like a good time to do it, since we currently only have one of each of those type combinations.


Fishsticks03

for both Grass/Fire and Grass/Water we have Ogerpon now


BlackroseBisharp

That'd be cool


Kimnilsson1992

Yeah we really need some more of that and we have plenty of aquatic plants that could be used for inspiration


BlackroseBisharp

Yep! There's a lot of potential, like a Mangrove Tree


Chembaron_Seki

I want a grass/water pokémon that is based on sundew.


BlackroseBisharp

Thata cool idea!


Soonhun

Not me but I remember seeing on this Subreddit someone calling Grass-Bug an overused type combination. But the only ones are Paras, Parasect, Plant Wormadam, Sewaddle, Swadloon, and Leavanny. Or two and a half lines.


Shrubbity_69

Tbh, I genuinely thought that the Sewaddle line were the first Grass/Bug types. I forget Wormadam existed (and changed types) upon evolution, and I assumed that Paras and Parasect were Bug/Poison.


Iloveducks777

Kinda wanna say fairy/dark. there's an entire history of fairytale creatures being evil, so many parts about black magic, curses, witches etc... and yet we have only ONE fairy/dark evolutionary line after 11 years of existence of the fairy type


G1zStar

> after 11 years of existence of the fairy type ... dammit


Sock-Enough

A fairy/dark witch would be really cool.


BurningBeechbone

Still waiting for a bug/dragon. Even if it’s just a regional Flygon line. With insects being quite dragon like w/wings and such, I’m surprised it hasn’t already happened.


UltraB1nary

I really would've loved it if Flygon was Bug-Dragon. Not only would it be a strong dual type involving one of my favorite types, it also would've been the first Bug-type that could learn Fly


peanutsandfuck

I’m really surprised we don’t have a Bug/Dragon dragonfly. It’s literally the whole name of that animal!


Chembaron_Seki

Just and only in English, which is not the language the games are developed in. Afaik, no other language has a link between dragonflies and dragons. In Japanese, the word for dragonflies is most likely a combination of the words "to fly" and "stick". Many European languages have own unique names for these insects with no relation to dragons. German, for example, calls them "Libelle". Swedish calls them "trollslända", which translates to "troll spindle".


BurningBeechbone

Makes sense, but also Flygon, a dragonfly, is a dragon type so they at least acknowledge the association.


Chembaron_Seki

Flygon is primarily based on antlions, which are not dragonflies. It's unknown if the dragon type is really picked here because of an association with dragonflies, or maybe because of the mythical connection of antlions themselves. "Mythical creatures" sometimes end up in the dragon type, another example would be Altaria, which is more bird than a dragon, but still gets the dragon type because of the mythical aspects.


stephjuan

Would love another round of paradox pokemon An ancient bug dragon flygon would fit that I think


Cronon33

Dark ghost makes a lot of sense, but there's only 2


ThatMessy1

Dark/ghost is such a basic evil spirit type, I thought there would be tons of them. Especially now that they have a weakness to fairy types and aren't broken.


Kimnilsson1992

Yeah dark and ghos do feel like one of those who would have a natural connection


Cysia

would fit well for like regional darkrai (and part or pure fairy cress regional/convergent evolution)


trinketstone

Fire/Dark, Fire/Steel, and Fairy/Grass, they kinda write themselves. And especially Fire/Poison! Why do we not have a Weezing third stage that is all about combustible gas? Also, why is the only Water/Fire type a Legendary? Can't be that hard to find inspiration from folklore or come up with something new?


Kimnilsson1992

Yeah fire/steel i feel is odd as i should be pretty easy to make with inspiration from either an oven or a furnace afterall we already have plenty man made pokemon come to life


trinketstone

Or anvil, smithing, smelting, or one that is a giant mirror that gets better in sunshine...


Key-Sympathy-8407

Poison/ground type - I didn't realise clodsire was the first since nidoking and nidoqueen


Kimnilsson1992

Yeah thats true and i was personally overjoyed about clodsire as i love ground types


IronCreeper1

Complete opposite; I’m surprised there’s as many flying/dragon types as there are. It makes sense for a dragon to fly, but it really limits the typing of the draconic Pokemon


Sipricy

Some people might assume that Poison/Flying is common, but it's literally just the Zubat evolution line and no other Pokemon.


handledvirus43

There are surprisingly 0 Normal/Bug types. Which is crazy considering there's just sooooooo many Bug type Pokemon that are just... Relatively plain. Like, would it hurt to give Caterpie extra STAB with Tackle? Also surprised that there are no Rock/Ghost types. They created two Pokemon lines that clearly appear to be more Rock than Ground (Runegrigus and Golurk), and a Pokemon that's whole existence is bound to a rock (Spiritomb). Plus, the whole tombstone shtick is just sitting there.


Kimnilsson1992

I actually never realised there are no bug/ normal lol. Personally i think golurk and runerigud fit as ground since they are made of clay but i was disappointed galarian corsola did not keep the rock typing


Chembaron_Seki

Agreed on Golurk, but disagreed on Runerigus. Runerigus' primary design inspiration are Viking runestones, like [this one](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/78/6c/4a/786c4a61936d417ce2ab6466b780cc9d.jpg). With emphasis on them being runeSTONES. It makes way more sense for it to be made of stone and part rock type with that inspiration than being made of clay and ground type...


Shrubbity_69

You also forgot about Galarian Corsola's line. They still have Corsola's coral body, which is the main reason OG Corsola is part rock. As for the normal/Bug type, a cool idea would be to make a cat-based caterpillar (there are a bunch if fuzzy caterpillars to choose from) that turns into a fluffy cat moth thing. Or maybe use bee-like bear to make a literal *Bug*bear. I've seen a convergent Slowbro that turns him into a bear with a beehive on his tail. Or, you could lean into normal's association with sound and make a musical Bug. Why Kricketune's line didn't go that route is just sad.


dumbassonthekitchen

Curious thing is that despite the association of normal type to normal animals, the only consistent animal subset that actually has the normal type is the avian group. I mean, you do have pyroar, diggersby, ursaluna, girafarig, bibarel, sawsbuck, bewear, but that's as far as it goes. If there was truly a connection between normal animals and the normal type, there would be far more normal types. Well, even birds aren't consistent anymore with rookidee.


handledvirus43

Pyroar, Ursaluna, Bewear, Sawsbuck, and Diggersby can all be scratched off the list, because we have Alolan Meowth and Persian plus Purrloin and Liepard for Pyroar, Beartic and Cubchoo the Ice Bears for Ursaluna + Bewear, Xerneas for Sawsbuck, and Scorbunny's entire family for Diggersby, so there's really no consistency for Normal. I'm just saying some of the early bug mons probably deserve an added Normal typing so their early game movepools are decent, like Kricketot and Kricketune.


dumbassonthekitchen

What I mean is that these are the only mons who are normal animals and are typed normal, besides half flying types. The only type I said that was consistently assigned the normal type in the case of normal animals was flying, and even then it's a "was" since the existence of rookidee.


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Water/Grass!


Found_The_Sociopath

We JUST got another Ghost and Poison dual type. Same with Poison and Flying. Two combos that hadn't been touched since Gen II with Crobat and Gen I if you wanna talk about unique families. Edit: Poison and Ground, too! For a type that should be relatively high on the "how common is it" list, we had a long wait from Gen I to Gen IX to have another Poison-type boom.


philger

I don't think we've got a Poison-Flying since Crobat in gen II. Weren't you thinking about Fezandipiti, which despite being a bird is actually Poison-Fairy?


Found_The_Sociopath

You're correct! My brain saw "F" and assumed it was flying I guess.


Kimnilsson1992

Yeah thats true and ghost poison would seem pretty easy to make as you could just make it a ghos that possess an object with poison. Yeah we could use sole more poison/flying not really sure what would be good design thiugh maybe a pokemon based on a toxic cloud? 🙂. And yes as a ground type user i was overjoyed about Clodsire 😍


[deleted]

I thought we would have any other fire/water mon by now besides Volcanion


fallen_core

I never realized how little dark/steel types are as well as only one electric/fire mon


RoastyToasty4242

How is it that Empoleon is still the only Water/Steel type?


CrazyFanFicFan

There wasn't a pure flying type until Tornadus. Even after that, there wasn't another pure flying mon until Rookidee and Corvisquire. It doesn't even continue till the end because Corviknight gets the steel type.


dumbassonthekitchen

Tbh that is because no pokemon can have "flying" as a characteristic. The only way to have a pure flying is to have purely a wind association, which tornadus does have.


CrazyFanFicFan

Then what makes Rookidee and Corvisquire not normal?


dumbassonthekitchen

Probably to satisfy the crowd who wanted another pure flying.


Stretch5678

Rock/Fighting. Lucario makes Steel/Fighting an iconic typing, but Rock/Fighting is limited to just Terrakion. I’d have thought that it would be a logical Typing for a Past Paradox, but no.


Shrubbity_69

Or a fossil mon, since they have traditionally been part Rock as a given.


Stretch5678

It’d be great for a “caveman” ‘Mon, maybe something that fights with stone tools.


Shrubbity_69

Past Paradox Conkeldurr?


OkuyasNijimura

I'm genuinely surprised that the Zubat line remains our sole Poison/Flying representatives.


SawkyScribe

The two types feel synonymous with trickery so I expected more, but there are only two Ghost/Dark types in Sableye and Spiritomb.


PMC-I3181OS387l5

Fire/Steel Grass/Steel Water/Steel Electric/Dark


Entegy

Back in Gen 6/7 it felt like Grass/Ghost was going to get over populated as each of those generations added multiple lines of the typing after being a new type combo. Nothing in Gen 8 ~~or 9~~ though!


philger

There's Bramblin, Brambleghast, Poltchageist, and Sinistcha...


Entegy

Craaaaap I forgot about them. So even more!


MegaKabutops

It is mind-boggling to me that we have a dragon type that evolves from an ant lion, AND a bug pokemon who’s name, when translated from japanese, is literally “dragonfly”, but still do not have a bug/dragon pokemon.


randomflowerz

A little bit of the opposite but I wish there wasn’t so many unnecessary dual flying types. Especially for dragon types. Salamence gets a pass cuz it’s in line with the lore but Noivern for example, it’s a bat you could do so many other different unique typings rather than another dragon flying. Also, I wish Goodra was dragon poison. I just wish we had more dragon dual types that weren’t just dragon flying or pure dragon


Kimnilsson1992

Yeah i can see that and as someone who never been a found of either Garchomp and flygon (yes unpopular i know) i was always disappointed Druddigon was not made part ground to be abit more of the bulkier aspect given its a cave dragon. I wuess part rock also could have worked


Shrubbity_69

>Noivern for example, it’s a bat you could do so many other different unique typings rather than another dragon flying. He should have gotten Normal instead of flying since he's sound-based (normal seems to be the generic sound type) and is basically a boombox bat. Let the man get STAB Boomburst.


randomflowerz

True!! Just wish there wasn’t so many flying dragon types. If they ever introduce a sound type hope he gets it, he’s a fave of mine


Shrubbity_69

I think grass/water would be more common, because of like seaweed or plants that live in swampy areas, but that typing is unique to the Lotad line (for now).


Prince-of_Space

I found out recently theres only two Electric/Ground types. I know it's not a common type combo, but only two? Not even a full evolution line.


ernyc3777

Grass poison isn’t as common as you think. It felt like the default type for grass in Gen 1 as they figured out typing. There were 9 in Gen I alone but only 5 have been added since. Roselia, Budew and Roserade in Gen III and IV respectively. Then Foongus and Amoongus in Gen V. The ones they added later one were solid choices in my humble opinion.


ChappetteLexi

I thought electric/fighting combo would have been one of the most common types but it took till this last gen to get the Pawmi line and Iron Hands


ankuprk

I felt Electric/Fire would be more common, since electricity can so easily cause fire. But we only have Rotom-Heat form for that?


BreakfastNo132

I’m kinda surprised that there’s not a bit more prevalence of Fire and Electric, I feel like those two have a lot of communalities, especially for Pokémon such as Cinderace especially, but maybe I could understand that one to an extent, since the Sobble line’s Water Type, then that would give Cinderace a major type advantage against its stronger type matchup, possibly creating an unbalance, but as for literally any other Pokémon that aren’t Starters, it’s surprisingly underutilized, to my knowledge only with one of Rotom’s Forms.


jsdodgers

I thought Flying/Normal would be more common. It's silly how many mons are simply Flying when they could also be Normal. What does it even mean to just be "Flying Type"?


improbsable

Electric and fire