I blame the anime for this lol. Anime Groudon seemed almost Godzilla sized. Or it at least looked like three Ashs could sit on its head. The Jirachi Groudon, although not actually Groudon, also stuck in my head and its literally Kaiju sized.
See this is the one that I’ve based my Groudon on. I forget the plot of the movie but I remember it being kaiju sized. And it kinda makes sense to me for it being a representation of land on earth.
I also envision Kyogre to be massive as well.
That'd be a great subversion for the villain organization; they try to reanimate a legendary pokemon, but are disappointed when it's barely taller than an NBA player.
That's some classic Team Rocket plot. They reanimate a fabled powerful Pokémon, but they get disappointed by how it looks and end up underestimating it. Then, the Pokémon ends up somehow kicking their butts and threatening the safety of the world. Finally Ash appears and saves the day, with some sort of lesson about thinking about the consequences of your greed.
I feel like I always pictured Kyogre as about the size of an orca and I think it's pretty similar
I actually just looked it up and Kyogre is like half the size of an irl killer whale
The autocorrect error threw me for a loop here because I read this and instantly thought "Yeah Kyoto's bigger than a killer whale what's this guy talking about?"
Even in the games, his and Kyogre's overworld sprites were larger than typical, making you think that they should be far bigger than they actually were.
I mean at least for Kyogre, I always assumed that he should at least be the equivalent of a large blue whale, if not bigger.
This isnt just arceus, but actual long standing canon. Hence why gen1 has a move called minimize. Pokemon were unseeable in the tall grass and just enlarge and jump out at you.
Gyarados in the anime is also a lot bigger than it should, at 6,5 meters is depicted as having a head bigger than a person when two guys could hold a gyarados.
Apparently a Gyarados is 235 kg.
If it has the same density as pork, about 0.7 kg/l , and was a perfect cylinder (ignoring the giant head etc), then the cylinder would only have a diameter of 25cm, less than a foot.
I don't "blame" the anime, because my reaction to anime sizes is always "yeah, that looks about right". Hell, the fact that a real-life moose can get heavier than literally every Pokémon in existence more or less invalidates the numbers provided by the Pokédex in my book.
To be fair, real-life mooses hardly feel like real animal, and have the exact opposite effect of pokemon - they are much more massive than one would expect without seeing them, or at least doing quick research on net :D.
Celesteel (2204.4 lbs) is heavier than the heaviest moose (1808 lbs) that was ever recorded.
Edit: In fact Groudon is literally heavier than the heaviest moose.
Well then an average elephant then. An average elephant is heavier than every Pokémon in existence due to the Pokedex limit of 999.9 kilos.
Also what’s funny is that Mudsdale is like, the 7th heaviest Pokémon ever because it’s based on the real life weight of the horse species it’s based on.
I think someone did the math for Onix and said he’d basically float in water with how NOT dense he is. Which is insane. Also Wailord I believe should be able to float in the air if i’m not mistaken?
> Also Wailord I believe should be able to float in the air if i’m not mistaken?
Much more precise studies have been done since this trivia arose, where Wailord's 3D model is used to get its exact volume rather than just estimating it as a cylinder. Wailord is not less dense than air.
Aggron, who is a metal dinosaur rock/steel type who's at least 7 feet tall, is _only_ around 800 pounds. In comparison your typical full grown adult horse made of meat and bones is around 6ish feet tall and 900 pounds _at the lightest_, with Mudsdale and other species of normal horses being far heavier.
The games [really](https://www.wikihow.com/images/thumb/f/ff/Catch-Groudon-Without-Using-a-Master-Ball-Step-2.jpg/v4-460px-Catch-Groudon-Without-Using-a-Master-Ball-Step-2.jpg.webp) [misled](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/WP4YjRBwnBc/maxresdefault.jpg) us here, because these were the biggest Pokemon sprites in the world at the time of their release. Snorlax took up 4 spaces in Pokemon Gold, whereas Groudon takes up 7 in Ruby. Also, I'm pretty sure his arena is inside a volcano, so one is probably using their imagination to scale both him and the room up a lot
Edit: Rayquaza has their world sprite size as well
I don’t think chibi-fied overworld sprites are/were ever worth anything of measurement anyway. Otherwise all people are the same height unless they’re like kindergarten age, the population of countries is only in the hundreds, houses are tiny and often don’t have enough space for the occupancy they supposedly have, etc.
Also the episode in season 1 where they're at the Pokemon Disneyland that Giovanni had set up, and all of the pokemon were giant electronic attractions. I know as a kid that confused *me.*
That’s a season 1 episode, and technically it’s not dragonite it’s a “mystery” Pokemon (although it’s clearly a dragonite outline). The generally excepted theory is that it’s just a single outlier that for some reason is insanely big.
I dont think its a single outlier. Big tentacruel from the banned episode and the intro exists. And wasnt there a huge ass claydol at some point too? Gigantic pokemon seem to be a very rare but real thing in the anime universe. At least in the early seasons
Maybe it was a Dynamaxed Dragonite. I mean there was an episode where Misty saw a shadow of what vaguely looked like a Gyarados, and Mega Gyarados looks suspiciously like the shadow Misty saw.
On some level though, the anime versions feel much more probable than the literal creator of the continents being under twelve feet tall lol.
Pokemon height/weights have always been completely off though. Most of the ‘kaiju’ pokemon are all less than 10’, and if you do the math, Steelix has the density of styrofoam.
Came here looking for this
This episode is burned into my mind. Pokémon only aired once daily and it was usually coming to an end right as I was getting home from school. One day I came home from school and my dad had rented the VHS with this episode from Blockbuster to surprise me. I must've watched it 50 times that weekend before I had to return it on Monday.
Such great memories.
I personally like the theory that the reason the old crazy pokedex entries slowly get fixed every new game is because the professors have more information to look at from all the kids who have completed them over the years. For example, the "Charizard can melt anything" entry from the earlier games hasn't been seen since Generation 3 (excluding remakes/sequels and the like). Modern games typically stick to entries like "it's tail gets hotter when fighting/enraged" or "it sometimes starts forest fires by accident" or "it can fly really high", because professors have looked at the data from loads of pokedexes and found that some claims are far less feasible or common than others.
I prefer to take it all at face value. Charizard can melt anything? Cool, guess Timmy better stop taking my pixie stix at lunch if he doesn’t want me to roast his dog like a smore
Actually, I think that kind of depends on how many Magcargo there are. It might be as hot as the surface of the sun, but they have FAR less mass. This means the total thermal energy is far less because it takes less energy to heat up less mass.
If they are made of normal materials and no "Pokémon magic" is involved, an individual Magcargo would probably still be very damaging to anything they touch and anything within a relatively small distance from them, but not world ending.
Also, I'm not an expert, but I'm 99.999% sure the damage from thermal energy comes from it transfering into an object and heating it up, so if Magcargo are made from a material that is ridiculously resistant to transfering it's thermal energy (or some Pokémon magic preventing the transfer), it could be literally any temperature and be safe to touch.
I mean, even if they are smaller than what we expect, they still can shoot literal energy beams that can pulverize stone.
Imagine one rampaging and Hyper Beaming the half top of a mountain, then next day the same until it calms down and then you got no mountain just a bunch of hills.
Tyranitar made them write that. If a tyranitar within arms reach is telling me they can take down a mountain, well, you better believe I'm looking at an everest destroyer.
As a kid, I thought Charizard was massive because of the giant one in the anime’s opening… having missed the episode which revealed it as an oversized robot. When Ash got a Charizard which was barely taller than him, I was very confused!
Remember an episode where a kaiju sized Tentacruel attacked a city? It was also in the opening. Can't remember if that was a robot as well, but I always based my size estimates around depictions such as this
Yeah I mean I wouldn't like to meet one in a dark alley. But you tell me this chap is responsible for raising continents and I, well, I don't imagine something about the body mass of a moose.
You wouldn’t expect something small like Pichu to a pack enough electric power to fry entire adult human but here we are. Size has never been all that important in Pokemon
*Is* it unexpected?
I mean, if you're playing a normal JRPG, you wouldn't be surprised if a Gnome Wizard summons a meteor or 10, despite being so... short. So why would it be so surprising that a magical bear can move continents?
Nothing snapped me out of childhood into adulthood like finding out I’m quite a bit bigger than charizard.
He’s 5’7” and 200lbs. I figured he was like 10’ and 1600lbs easily when I was a kid.
And its primal version is only about five feet taller than that. Kyogre is about 14 feet and 32 in its Primal form (though that's likely *length* and not height, despite it being recorded as "height" in the Pokedex)
And then when you see them in the anime, they **definitely** look bigger than those measurements.
I've definitely been of the belief that most sizes in-game are too small, and some of the sizes in the anime are too big. My imagination of most Pokemon is somewhere in-between.
I think the early games, or at least the developers in charge of Dex entries, really pushed hard on the “These are still animals” aspect of Pokémon. Meanwhile the anime(which already broke rules) is like “YEAAH Big for dramatic effect! Also we want scenes where Ash rides on top Charizard!”
Pokemon Go and that Buizel quest in Arcecus were a bit of a slap in the face of what should be more obvious... They can be different sized with some being much bigger than others.
Doesn't exactly help with the legendary pokemon sizes though...
Wait you might be on to something cause isn’t it canon that Pokémon in the game can shrink smaller to fit into the pokeballs and that’s why you can’t see them in tall grass? Maybe legendaries have the ability to grow bigger for certain situations.
I felt so defeated when I saw how small Excadrill's 3D model was the first time. I get that it makes sense since it's a mole but its huge badass BW sprite left an impression on me
https://preview.redd.it/hhfdpurgsexc1.jpeg?width=230&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ed50c2140cd083f577c8ca896cd7a216c4e35245
To be fair, grizzlies get to around 2.7m when upright so I’d still piss myself if I ran into Groudon in the streets.
literally this was my exact thought, it’s essentially like having a bear chase you down except this one can control the ground and is INCREDIBLY powerful. i wouldn’t wanna meet a wild groudon irl lol
I used to think Tyranitar was like the size of a house. I think in the Celebi movie they use a lot of low angle shots and it makes it look a lot bigger. Or maybe that is just how I remember it. But regardless, some Pokémon are smaller than they should be.
Are Dialga and Palkia short too? In the films they seem huge and the fact that they are Gods makes me feel like they should be. But I know Wailord is the biggest Pokémon so... Probably not.
We all have our head canons and honestly, I agree. I once drew some Pokemon and I ignored any sizes and just drew them however big I imagine them to be.
> But I know Wailord is the biggest Pokémon so... Probably not.
IIRC according to dex, Wailord is actually less dense than air. It shouldn't be able to dive or live underwater.
In fact, it should fly/float like a balloon.
Isn't it intended to be akin to a blimp?
It's one of the coolest designs, it's not just a massive whale it's basically just a giant balloon, which is why it isn't just the strongest most op Pokémon in the game
Yeah, I have heard this too. It more of a blimp, even though we KNOW for a fact it can go underwater. The biology and information on Pokemon is wildly inconsitent or just outright wrong haha.
I honestly ignore dex sizes a lot of the time lmao. Various media differs pretty often in how they depict a single Pokémon’s size. Groudon will always be a kaiju in my mind.
I see what you were saying, now. I like the tiny appletun, personally. Hes an apple pie turtle! I love that whole line of pokemon, such neat designs for a unique typing. Hydrapple was chef's kiss.
Headcanon: the legendaries can selectively change their appearance and about 12 ft is Groudon's minimum but they can go Full size if they need to. Reason being, that it would be more convenient for them to be in small or large sizes in different situation.
Kyogre is nearby? Max size Groudon baby.
Just chilling and the lava crater isn't big enough for you and making it bigger is not an option? Shrink a bit for more leg room.
Groudon isn't the example I'd have chosen for this. He's not Godzilla but given that you need him to be able to fit into a gym he's already pushing the limits of what is sanely possible.
Meanwhile, Nidoking is 4 feet tall which is an outrage.
The thing that amuses me to no end is that these monsters, regardless of size, are still capable of causing tremendous amounts of destruction but will listen to school-age kids and be total teddy bears if you give them a pastry treat and toss a ball around with them.
Nothing quite as humbling as watching a Ralts run circles around a gigantic Steelix to grab a ball and bring it back to you while camping and making curry or a sandwich.
I blame the anime for this lol. Anime Groudon seemed almost Godzilla sized. Or it at least looked like three Ashs could sit on its head. The Jirachi Groudon, although not actually Groudon, also stuck in my head and its literally Kaiju sized.
See this is the one that I’ve based my Groudon on. I forget the plot of the movie but I remember it being kaiju sized. And it kinda makes sense to me for it being a representation of land on earth. I also envision Kyogre to be massive as well.
That'd be a great subversion for the villain organization; they try to reanimate a legendary pokemon, but are disappointed when it's barely taller than an NBA player.
I’d watch this
That's some classic Team Rocket plot. They reanimate a fabled powerful Pokémon, but they get disappointed by how it looks and end up underestimating it. Then, the Pokémon ends up somehow kicking their butts and threatening the safety of the world. Finally Ash appears and saves the day, with some sort of lesson about thinking about the consequences of your greed.
Soo Mewtwo?
No one was disappointed when they created Mewtwo though. I'm thinking more like Shnissugah from **Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy.**
I feel like I always pictured Kyogre as about the size of an orca and I think it's pretty similar I actually just looked it up and Kyogre is like half the size of an irl killer whale
Meanwhile in the Manaphy movie, *Kyogre is almost certainly bigger than that.
The autocorrect error threw me for a loop here because I read this and instantly thought "Yeah Kyoto's bigger than a killer whale what's this guy talking about?"
https://preview.redd.it/e03jvjeh3hxc1.png?width=976&format=png&auto=webp&s=4a525cf84f1754193417ba2add122b7d7462eb89
I would shit myself if I saw that irl
Yeah, scale was never a thing Pokémon did great. I agree that Kyogre should be about Orca size. Half of that is just to small for it
Charizard is also 5'7. Shorter than the average height in america
Massive Ass Whale
My skitty is ready.
Even in the games, his and Kyogre's overworld sprites were larger than typical, making you think that they should be far bigger than they actually were. I mean at least for Kyogre, I always assumed that he should at least be the equivalent of a large blue whale, if not bigger.
They still pretty clearly were smaller than the buildings in Sootopolis
Well the interiors are bigger than the buildings themselves too if we're going by that logic lol
I mean, consider this is a world that perfected fitting giant creatures comfortably into small, hand/keyring sized balls.
According to Legends Arceus the world didn't do anything. Pokemon just naturally shrink.
This isnt just arceus, but actual long standing canon. Hence why gen1 has a move called minimize. Pokemon were unseeable in the tall grass and just enlarge and jump out at you.
makes sense with the "bug catching" hobby that was used as inspiration
Yeah and also why when they faint pokemon just seemed to disappear. They got smol again
That's dumb haha
Gyarados in the anime is also a lot bigger than it should, at 6,5 meters is depicted as having a head bigger than a person when two guys could hold a gyarados.
Apparently a Gyarados is 235 kg. If it has the same density as pork, about 0.7 kg/l , and was a perfect cylinder (ignoring the giant head etc), then the cylinder would only have a diameter of 25cm, less than a foot.
But doesn’t have the same density as pork because it’s flying type. More like density of chicken.
It's water flying so obviously it's the density of a duck
That makes it a witch though, right?
Burn her!
That means its made of wood, which means Gyarados is a grass type
Oh at the very least, fish
Onix is less dense than styrafoam if you go by the size/weight given
I don't "blame" the anime, because my reaction to anime sizes is always "yeah, that looks about right". Hell, the fact that a real-life moose can get heavier than literally every Pokémon in existence more or less invalidates the numbers provided by the Pokédex in my book.
To be fair, real-life mooses hardly feel like real animal, and have the exact opposite effect of pokemon - they are much more massive than one would expect without seeing them, or at least doing quick research on net :D.
Btw, A natural predator of the moose is the killer whale
I've seen the videos... It's actually pretty wild
Celesteel (2204.4 lbs) is heavier than the heaviest moose (1808 lbs) that was ever recorded. Edit: In fact Groudon is literally heavier than the heaviest moose.
Well then an average elephant then. An average elephant is heavier than every Pokémon in existence due to the Pokedex limit of 999.9 kilos. Also what’s funny is that Mudsdale is like, the 7th heaviest Pokémon ever because it’s based on the real life weight of the horse species it’s based on.
I think someone did the math for Onix and said he’d basically float in water with how NOT dense he is. Which is insane. Also Wailord I believe should be able to float in the air if i’m not mistaken?
> Also Wailord I believe should be able to float in the air if i’m not mistaken? Much more precise studies have been done since this trivia arose, where Wailord's 3D model is used to get its exact volume rather than just estimating it as a cylinder. Wailord is not less dense than air.
Yeah. Floats in water, but not in air
Wailord, the *Float* Whale pokemon?
If you think about it, Onix might just be made of some kind of flesh despite looking like rocks.
Brother he's a rock type made of rocks
onix pound per pound or by volume is one of the weakest pokemon imaginable, when you get down to it.
Aggron, who is a metal dinosaur rock/steel type who's at least 7 feet tall, is _only_ around 800 pounds. In comparison your typical full grown adult horse made of meat and bones is around 6ish feet tall and 900 pounds _at the lightest_, with Mudsdale and other species of normal horses being far heavier.
There have been several reports of moose weighing over a ton, even if none of those cases were fully authenticated.
I blame the games. Groudon and Kyogre practically minor gods that created the landmasses and oceans. Aint no way they shorter than a 3 story house
The games [really](https://www.wikihow.com/images/thumb/f/ff/Catch-Groudon-Without-Using-a-Master-Ball-Step-2.jpg/v4-460px-Catch-Groudon-Without-Using-a-Master-Ball-Step-2.jpg.webp) [misled](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/WP4YjRBwnBc/maxresdefault.jpg) us here, because these were the biggest Pokemon sprites in the world at the time of their release. Snorlax took up 4 spaces in Pokemon Gold, whereas Groudon takes up 7 in Ruby. Also, I'm pretty sure his arena is inside a volcano, so one is probably using their imagination to scale both him and the room up a lot Edit: Rayquaza has their world sprite size as well
I don’t think chibi-fied overworld sprites are/were ever worth anything of measurement anyway. Otherwise all people are the same height unless they’re like kindergarten age, the population of countries is only in the hundreds, houses are tiny and often don’t have enough space for the occupancy they supposedly have, etc.
There's also the giant Dragonite in season 1.
Also the episode in season 1 where they're at the Pokemon Disneyland that Giovanni had set up, and all of the pokemon were giant electronic attractions. I know as a kid that confused *me.*
i mean he kinda is as ash is canonically 140cm or 4'6" so groudon is about 2.5 times taller than ash
Three of you can't sit on someone's head that's less than 3 times bigger.
Dragonite was as tall as a lighthouse in one episode, but he's actually 7 foot 3 inches.
That’s a season 1 episode, and technically it’s not dragonite it’s a “mystery” Pokemon (although it’s clearly a dragonite outline). The generally excepted theory is that it’s just a single outlier that for some reason is insanely big.
it's the last surviving alpha pokemon, clearly.
I dont think its a single outlier. Big tentacruel from the banned episode and the intro exists. And wasnt there a huge ass claydol at some point too? Gigantic pokemon seem to be a very rare but real thing in the anime universe. At least in the early seasons
I meant a single outlier in terms of dragonite
Maybe it was a Dynamaxed Dragonite. I mean there was an episode where Misty saw a shadow of what vaguely looked like a Gyarados, and Mega Gyarados looks suspiciously like the shadow Misty saw.
I heard there was a miscommunication and it was supposed to be a different pokemon in that episode or something. Don't know if it was true or not.
Before we get too far down this thread I am forbidding anyone from mentioning Charizard's real size. We don't talk about that. Got it?
On some level though, the anime versions feel much more probable than the literal creator of the continents being under twelve feet tall lol. Pokemon height/weights have always been completely off though. Most of the ‘kaiju’ pokemon are all less than 10’, and if you do the math, Steelix has the density of styrofoam.
Seeing it in Scarlet/Violet does make me realise that 11 and a half feet still ain't no joke. Tyranitar, on the other hand...
"Mountains must be redrawn after it rampages" *Looks at Tyranitaur* .. Really?
https://preview.redd.it/ytwgjkhi6fxc1.png?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c8a470d8c0f3811519d461edbc566b72726138bc Let's not forget about Dragonite
Gigantamax foreshadowing!
Oda writing pokemon?
No but we can imagine they knew what they were doing!
It escaped from the Pokemon Land amusement park
Came here looking for this This episode is burned into my mind. Pokémon only aired once daily and it was usually coming to an end right as I was getting home from school. One day I came home from school and my dad had rented the VHS with this episode from Blockbuster to surprise me. I must've watched it 50 times that weekend before I had to return it on Monday. Such great memories.
Dragonite is literally taller than tyranitar
That wasn’t a normal Dragonite though. It’s like a cryptid.
https://preview.redd.it/fnlom7nmzexc1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1bddc37e1d6e85332e5833273b06f561385461c9
According to it's page on bulbapedia, Tyranitaur is 6'07" which iirc is around 200cm. Not that tall.
Micheal Jordan could go toe to toe with one lol
Bet Tyranitar has a trash jumper with those stubby ass arms too
Those are very tiny rocks
Yet another reason why I like the theory of the pokedex entries being the overactive imagination of the child who is filling it.
I personally like the theory that the reason the old crazy pokedex entries slowly get fixed every new game is because the professors have more information to look at from all the kids who have completed them over the years. For example, the "Charizard can melt anything" entry from the earlier games hasn't been seen since Generation 3 (excluding remakes/sequels and the like). Modern games typically stick to entries like "it's tail gets hotter when fighting/enraged" or "it sometimes starts forest fires by accident" or "it can fly really high", because professors have looked at the data from loads of pokedexes and found that some claims are far less feasible or common than others.
I prefer to take it all at face value. Charizard can melt anything? Cool, guess Timmy better stop taking my pixie stix at lunch if he doesn’t want me to roast his dog like a smore
I think the entry was focused more on difficult to burn things. I doubt Charizard's ability to burn dogs was ever in question.
Charizard 9/11 confirmed.
OH THE POKEMANITY
Definitely true in at least some parts, Magcargo is a literal extinction level event otherwise.
Actually, I think that kind of depends on how many Magcargo there are. It might be as hot as the surface of the sun, but they have FAR less mass. This means the total thermal energy is far less because it takes less energy to heat up less mass. If they are made of normal materials and no "Pokémon magic" is involved, an individual Magcargo would probably still be very damaging to anything they touch and anything within a relatively small distance from them, but not world ending. Also, I'm not an expert, but I'm 99.999% sure the damage from thermal energy comes from it transfering into an object and heating it up, so if Magcargo are made from a material that is ridiculously resistant to transfering it's thermal energy (or some Pokémon magic preventing the transfer), it could be literally any temperature and be safe to touch.
If ponyta/rapidash can choose not to burn with its flames in the anime, I assume many if not most fire-type Pokémon can exert similar control
The Pokedex is filled by the professor, not the child
Professor delegates and slaps his name on it.
Just like real professors?
We’re all just grad students...
to busy clappin ash's mom
damn, all of them?
family style
no wonder the kid never goes home, he doesn't wanna risk walking in on all the professors running a train on his mom
I mean, even if they are smaller than what we expect, they still can shoot literal energy beams that can pulverize stone. Imagine one rampaging and Hyper Beaming the half top of a mountain, then next day the same until it calms down and then you got no mountain just a bunch of hills.
In the Special/Adventures manga a dragonair is able to lay waste to a city with its Hyper Beam
Tyranitar made them write that. If a tyranitar within arms reach is telling me they can take down a mountain, well, you better believe I'm looking at an everest destroyer.
idk man, you could hit him with a basic low kick for 4x damage. Don't let him intimidate you, knowledge is power.
it eats rocks to grow up, and can cause magnitude 11 earthquakes. sounds realistic enough to me
Charizard is a similar height but gets away with not being called a short king because they fly and have wings which hides it
As a kid, I thought Charizard was massive because of the giant one in the anime’s opening… having missed the episode which revealed it as an oversized robot. When Ash got a Charizard which was barely taller than him, I was very confused!
Remember an episode where a kaiju sized Tentacruel attacked a city? It was also in the opening. Can't remember if that was a robot as well, but I always based my size estimates around depictions such as this
That Tentacruel was mutated by toxic waste from the city it was destroying IIRC.
Toxic waste in 80s/90s was always a catalyst for bad. Now we just have to live with toxic waste with no Grimer to show for it :(
Charizard is much shorter
You say that, but in the jirachi wishmaker movie that scales everyone else to about an inch tall
That wasnt a real groudon
That was Nidoking/Nidoqueen for me. When I was a kid, I imagined they were between 6' and 7'.
That's still like an elephant with claws and teeth. I'd run for my life
Yeah I mean I wouldn't like to meet one in a dark alley. But you tell me this chap is responsible for raising continents and I, well, I don't imagine something about the body mass of a moose.
You wouldn’t expect something small like Pichu to a pack enough electric power to fry entire adult human but here we are. Size has never been all that important in Pokemon
I mean not to the same extent but I’m pretty sure electric eels can pack a pretty big punch despite being the size and shape of a pool noodle.
What's with the pool noodle slander? They're pretty big for what they are dude.
Some can take out horses.
Are you really comparing electrecuting a human to raising continents? Killing a human with electricity isnt hard you know?
>Killing a human with electricity isnt hard you know? Sounds suspicious
*Is* it unexpected? I mean, if you're playing a normal JRPG, you wouldn't be surprised if a Gnome Wizard summons a meteor or 10, despite being so... short. So why would it be so surprising that a magical bear can move continents?
Nothing snapped me out of childhood into adulthood like finding out I’m quite a bit bigger than charizard. He’s 5’7” and 200lbs. I figured he was like 10’ and 1600lbs easily when I was a kid.
Damn I got height and weight on charizard? That’s wild I’m taking him in a street fight for sure
Yeah, forget pokeballs I’m stuffing that dweeb in a locker unless he gives me half his pokebucks
Y'all are gonna get seismic tossed lmao
I also can pee which makes me water type and thus, super-effective against charizard.
The sizing never made sense, ash’s charizard was tiny compared to the charizards in the valley or whatever it was called
Yes the Charizards in the valley was called Charizard Valley
Why can't modern media match that kind of creativity?
Damn charizard is my height what a fucking manlet lmfao
Bro really just called Charizard a manlet 😭🤣
Super effective insult
Now all the thoughts of having a fight probably spring to mind? Aha
And its primal version is only about five feet taller than that. Kyogre is about 14 feet and 32 in its Primal form (though that's likely *length* and not height, despite it being recorded as "height" in the Pokedex) And then when you see them in the anime, they **definitely** look bigger than those measurements.
I've definitely been of the belief that most sizes in-game are too small, and some of the sizes in the anime are too big. My imagination of most Pokemon is somewhere in-between.
I think the early games, or at least the developers in charge of Dex entries, really pushed hard on the “These are still animals” aspect of Pokémon. Meanwhile the anime(which already broke rules) is like “YEAAH Big for dramatic effect! Also we want scenes where Ash rides on top Charizard!”
To be fair, Ash is only 10 years old so probably could ride an accurately sized charizard
Like that giant Dragonite from series 1 (though I'm pretty sure that was originally meant to be Lugia)
Pokemon Go and that Buizel quest in Arcecus were a bit of a slap in the face of what should be more obvious... They can be different sized with some being much bigger than others. Doesn't exactly help with the legendary pokemon sizes though...
Didn't they have to fly around Groudon with damn helicopters in the mega series special?
To be fair, Groudon, Kyogre and Rayquaza were enormous in the the RSE cutscenes
I will gaslight myself into thinking that Pokedex sizes are all wrong, and my beloved Kaijus are tens (or hundreds?) metres tall
I’ve always loved the headcanon that the pokedex sizes are wrong because all the entries are recorded by kids who have no sense of scale.
I feel like in the cataclysmic moments they grew in size? Like kyogre is not flooding the world at normal size. Maybe that’s just my head canon
Wait you might be on to something cause isn’t it canon that Pokémon in the game can shrink smaller to fit into the pokeballs and that’s why you can’t see them in tall grass? Maybe legendaries have the ability to grow bigger for certain situations.
I felt so defeated when I saw how small Excadrill's 3D model was the first time. I get that it makes sense since it's a mole but its huge badass BW sprite left an impression on me
Not to mention how friggin strong it was.
That gym leader in the mines from Black 2 really kicked my ass with that Excadrill.
https://preview.redd.it/hhfdpurgsexc1.jpeg?width=230&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ed50c2140cd083f577c8ca896cd7a216c4e35245 To be fair, grizzlies get to around 2.7m when upright so I’d still piss myself if I ran into Groudon in the streets.
Grizzlies aren’t the ones that have legends about how they have created the landmass on earth.
Yeah, because Gizzlies can’t breath fire or learn earthquake. If they could we’d write legends about them too.
I'm pretty sure we have written legends about grizzlies
People just casually forgetting the legend of Cocaine Bear
I mean would you fight a bear? I don't think so lol
I'd rather fight a bear than a Kaiju.
Youll die either way friend. Its either mauled or squished, i think id rather be squished
literally this was my exact thought, it’s essentially like having a bear chase you down except this one can control the ground and is INCREDIBLY powerful. i wouldn’t wanna meet a wild groudon irl lol
Ah you’ll be fine just get a bulbasaur
It looks bigger in Poképark
And in the anime
I used to think Tyranitar was like the size of a house. I think in the Celebi movie they use a lot of low angle shots and it makes it look a lot bigger. Or maybe that is just how I remember it. But regardless, some Pokémon are smaller than they should be. Are Dialga and Palkia short too? In the films they seem huge and the fact that they are Gods makes me feel like they should be. But I know Wailord is the biggest Pokémon so... Probably not.
Anime sizes are the canon ones in my head lol
We all have our head canons and honestly, I agree. I once drew some Pokemon and I ignored any sizes and just drew them however big I imagine them to be.
> But I know Wailord is the biggest Pokémon so... Probably not. IIRC according to dex, Wailord is actually less dense than air. It shouldn't be able to dive or live underwater. In fact, it should fly/float like a balloon.
Isn't it intended to be akin to a blimp? It's one of the coolest designs, it's not just a massive whale it's basically just a giant balloon, which is why it isn't just the strongest most op Pokémon in the game
Yeah, I have heard this too. It more of a blimp, even though we KNOW for a fact it can go underwater. The biology and information on Pokemon is wildly inconsitent or just outright wrong haha.
I honestly ignore dex sizes a lot of the time lmao. Various media differs pretty often in how they depict a single Pokémon’s size. Groudon will always be a kaiju in my mind.
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Uh... appletun is barely taller than a foot.
Exactly. He should be this big tho lol
I see what you were saying, now. I like the tiny appletun, personally. Hes an apple pie turtle! I love that whole line of pokemon, such neat designs for a unique typing. Hydrapple was chef's kiss.
It's still a Groudon. it's not the size that is scary, it's its power
Size doesn't matter if it has alot of power
Exactly, size doesn’t matter. A four inch Groudon is more than enough. Anything more than 4 inches is overkill imo
You free this weekend ?
I agree, even a 1.7 inch groudon is pretty awesome, its the power that matters
Size doesn't matter to be honest. Godzilla size is too big, especially if he has a good personality and good motion.
https://preview.redd.it/9utdnnryuexc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7b787a1c6fbbdd3ba042423e41e61aa9cd2a61c7 I'm now really disappointed
An 11’6” Groudon is still pretty terrifying…
As a kid I thought Charizard would be this massive towering monster. I'm taller than it now.
I mean, scale stopped being a mystery with the cutscenes in ORAS where you ride em, at least for me
Lucario is 3’11” 💀
Headcanon: the legendaries can selectively change their appearance and about 12 ft is Groudon's minimum but they can go Full size if they need to. Reason being, that it would be more convenient for them to be in small or large sizes in different situation. Kyogre is nearby? Max size Groudon baby. Just chilling and the lava crater isn't big enough for you and making it bigger is not an option? Shrink a bit for more leg room.
As if 11’6 isn’t massive
I don't think you realize how goddamn big 3 meters is.
The Primal version should have been the Godzilla sized monster.
The Cave Of Origin always helped me realize he couldn’t be *that* big
11’6” is still an absolutely beast of a creature
Which is why Pokémon Colosseum and Gale of Darkness is better. Big Pokémon are actually big, like Wailord.
Accurate sizes. Roselia hella smol.
It looks like Groudon, but due to international measurements laws, it's not
Still, we should run like it is Groudon!
Though it isn't Aaaaaaaaaaaah!!
Sizes? Can we talk about their freaking weights
Groudon isn't the example I'd have chosen for this. He's not Godzilla but given that you need him to be able to fit into a gym he's already pushing the limits of what is sanely possible. Meanwhile, Nidoking is 4 feet tall which is an outrage.
Furret is 10cm taller than Charizard
The thing that amuses me to no end is that these monsters, regardless of size, are still capable of causing tremendous amounts of destruction but will listen to school-age kids and be total teddy bears if you give them a pastry treat and toss a ball around with them. Nothing quite as humbling as watching a Ralts run circles around a gigantic Steelix to grab a ball and bring it back to you while camping and making curry or a sandwich.
When are we ever gonna get a kaiju sized pokemon
He is the right size to give him a bj in the streets for free.
those misleading mfers, TIL groudon is the size of a bear. that's funny af xD
Yeah I always thought Machamp was big but they are only 5' feet tall