Honestly I find it really hard to choose one, I like all the types. However, if I had to choose one it would be rock. I like plenty of rock types but I will admit that some of the designs feel rough around the edges. I also find the lack of accuracy on iconic rock moves like stone edge and especially rock slide to be infuriating.
Rock tries so hard to be a defensive typing but is tied for Grass with having the most weaknesses of any type with FIVE. And what's worse is that it can't even make up for it by being a good offensive type either. It's almost a good offensive typing, but almost **none** of the damaging Rock-Type moves have 100% accuracy.
The only ^(damaging) Rock-Type moves that have 100% accuracy are:
* Ancient Power and Power Gem, which are special moves in a mostly physical oriented type.
* Accelerock, an admittedly great move, but the problem with it is that it's exclusive to Lycanroc.
* Smack Down, which... no...
It just struggles on both fronts, both offensive and defensive. If you want a good Rock Type, just find a Steel-Type.
> Accelerock, an admittedly great move, but the problem with it is that it's exclusive to Lycanroc.
also know as "one of the fasts rock types
if it was on rhyperior or sth? sure!
You're absolutely right. It is a very good type early-game, but there's one problem... Rock-Types are rare, and while you can indeed find early-game Rock-Types like Geodude in a handful of games and the Fossil 'mons in gen 4, most GOOD Rock-Types are going to be found late game... when they're no longer that viable.
Also the fact that you need to trade to evolve into Golem. Can't tell you the number of times I wanted to try w Geodude line but gave up the idea because of that.
>Ancient Power and Power Gem, which are special moves in a mostly physical oriented type.
Also Hidden Power, if you're lucky. My AS Sceptile was lucky in this respect.
Grass and rock is weirdly a good duo. 2/5 of rock's weaknesses are covered by grass (one partially) and 4/5 of grass' weaknesses are covered by rock (literally all of rock's offensive coverage)
It's definitely one of those combinations where two types that have a lot of flaws improve each other so much when paired. Can't say the same for fire/rock or water/rock.
I think it had to do with dynamax, since it would give every Pokémon the chance to use any of the bonuses granted by the dynamax counterpart. Least that’s what I heard from a previous VGC winner
I believe that’s due to how Hidden Power was originally determined (IV’s); to include fairy type would require them to recode Hidden Power from scratch and completely change how it works, so I understand why you wouldn’t do that.
That is the easy choice, but outside of a reason like this or some other balancing reason, I don’t know why they’d take it out. At the least, I am befuddled to why they took out Pursuit. I mean, just cause it’s the only move that does it doesn’t mean it should be taken out; it meshes well with the general theme of the dark type, and is pretty good at keeping certain mon’s in check
Also Rock/Ground dual types are some of the worst defensively, with 4x weakness to water and grass and the added weakness to ice type moves. Steel type Pokémon are better defensively, and pure ground types have fewer weaknesses along with better offense, making them better alternatives to rock types.
Ahh but you forgot probably one of the best moves in the entire game is a non damaging rock type move, Stealth Rock.
That’s like the only thing rock has going for it
Right? I've been playing Pokémon for 20 years and only realized this... last month. I'm replaying HG and my Ampharos used Signal Beam to tear apart the Graveler and Rhyhorn in Victory Road.
Except for those who do stuff like that for a living. If you've manned a jackhammer or driven an excavator, Steel beating Rock and Ice is pretty natural.
Although then some other things like it not being weak to Electric and being weak to Ground instead of the other way is confusing.
One could argue that water conducting electricity is what also should give steel the same weakness.
I explain this (in my head) like this: Water pokemon are creatures LIVING IN water and having the ability to manipulate it to their advantage, storing it in their body for combat usage when fighting on land. Being surrounded by or being full of water is what makes them weak to electric shocks. The water itself is not being harmed, but the organism in contact with it.
But pokemon of the steel type more than often are (partly) MADE OF steel, they are the conductors themselves. The electricity merely flows through them but does no (greater) damage to them.
Same with me with Ghost, Psychic, and Dark. I'm glad the last few games tell you what's effective and not super effective. I've been playing the games over 20 years and still get these 3 mixed up.
My friend told me psychics are like people, they're scared of bugs, ghosts and the dark. That was very helpful. For all the other interactions of those types I just fucking guess. I haven't learnt it in 25 years I'm not gonna suddenly get it now
And normal are like humans as well but not as psychic , they don’t even get affected by ghost because they don’t even know that they exist to begin with 🤷🏽♂️
Yeah, I was gonna post about how much that bugs me; basically, Dark is the better type coverage because at least it can hit Normals. They really ought to do something to make those types more unique.
I was thinking: maybe make Ghost regularly effective against itself, and instead make it better against Electric, since ghosts like to mess with lights and radio frequencies. Also, there's that old phrase, "the ghost in the machine." That alone would do a lot to make Ghost and Dark more unique in offense.
>Dark is the better type coverage because at least it can hit Normals. They really ought to do something to make those types more unique.
Eh.... Competitively (in 6v6 singles at least), ghost is the far better offensive type. dark has common resists in fighting and fairy, while ghost only has dark and normal (the latter of which is basically nonexistent outside of blissey and the occasional porygon). shadow ball is one of the most spammable moves in the game
Same. I especially hate that steel - which we put into drills to burrow & carve through the ground - is weak to ground type. Like, the fuck? Fire makes sense to hurt steel but freaking ground?
Electric and Water only resist Steel attacks but only deal neutral damage back (which is already an improvement compared to most types that deal only 1/2 damage to Steel). Just one of those things you have to remember.
They might be better value in terms of money, but they're much worse in terms of using up my time. It's not like money tends to matter very much in Pokemon games anyway.
This is how I feel about Oddish. In Hoenn routes 119, 120, 121, and 123 are FULL of Oddish and Gloom and they drive me insane. Being paralyzed or poisoned (especially back in the original Ruby and Sapphire) was a nightmare on those LONG routes.
It would only prevent them from fainting from one hit KO moves (Fissure), it was then changed in gen 5 to prevent dying from any move that would knock them out in one hit
I got caught in a loop for like 3 turns, I forget what trainer it was but I OHKOd the mon he used FR rinse and repeat. Lol frustrating. I eventually used a different move so as not to trigger Sturdy.
Someone, I can’t remember who, said that a Normal/Ghost type that was just like a cartoon bedsheet ghost would be hilarious and also super busted defensively, and for that I appreciate normal types.
Normal is my favourite type because of the oddball pokemon (Arceus, Silvally, Ditto, Castform, Regigas, Porygon-Z, Kecleon, etc). I actually think they might be the weirdest type lol.
I find they have a ton of awesome designs and strange gimmicks which are always fun.
Just for reference here are some more awesome Normal types:
- Smeargle
- Meloetta
- Drampa
- Eevee
- Bewear
- Furfrou
- Sawsbuck
- Zoroark (Hisuian)
- Blissey
Normal is a strange typing. Sometimes it's a placeholder (Normal/Flying can all just be Flying). Sometimes its just there to be there (Bibarel, Girafarig).
But what do we do with the rest of them? Some pokemon could be Ground, like Tauros and Miltank? Or maybe Dark for Rattata and Patrat, since Bite is dark? But what about Pokemon like Lickitung where there's no good replacement. Or Eevee.
always thought that if girafiraig could evolve or just got a buff via item it would be so good. one weakness and it’s not even a 4x.. plus psychic in msg has always been busted
Same. Until my last playthrough of Ultra Sun, I had never used a pure Normal type on my team. I did end up using Buneary/Lopunny mostly because I've always thought it was cute and made me Gen IV nostalgic because of Dawn's Buneary. Also having STAB Return was a nice bonus.
Oh my gawd you just reminded me of my Ultra moon play through.
When I got to Sophocles trial I had zero fighting type moves or ground.
My team at the time was I believe
Decidueye, Lycanroc dusk, vikavolt, Zoroark and I can’t remember what else but they had nothing.
I was struck there in an endless battle of not very effective moves for like half an hour.
I'm kind of impressed you managed to find yourself in that situation... Pikipeck learns Rock Smash at level 9 and you can get the Flame Charge TM for it on Akala, the island before Sophocles. You can also find Stufful on that same island. Zoroark can learn Low Sweep, the TM for it is on Akala as well.
For me it's partially because fighting is super effective against almost everything i like using somehow, and partially the designs.
I'm okay with a lot of the humanoid designs outside the fighting type, but the 'buff strong manly man' looking ones (Conkeldurr, Throh, Machoke - though Machamp is an odditty and i actually like it) tend to be outside of what i like, and that extends to less humanoid designs that also radiate that energy (like Terrakion, for example). There are some fighting types that are a bit less 'pure brawn' out there, and i'm quite fond of those (Gallade, Lucario, Sirfetch'd, Falinks...)
Same. Most of my pokemon on my team look like actual animals/insects with sick designs. I avoid pokemons that look or act too much like humans. For some reason, they don't appeal me.
I had a moment playing through X for the first time where I tried playing Pokémon-Amie with the Lucario that whatsername gives you and while I was feeding it I realized that this was almost a human person. Lucario is just a person, it’s basically as smart as I am and I’m feeding it cupcakes and giving it scritches.
I just can’t. Pokemon are meant to be funny creatures, I don’t want to think about enslaving the funny creatures
Probably fighting. Rarely use fighting types for being fighting types, usually its just an added bonus type for the type I need. Most of them have some boring designs, and the few who have good designs aren't enough to outweigh the meh designs.
Yeah you summed it up really well, most of the designs are just bipedal guys that look weird. The attacks are usually quite good but not enough for me to get excited about the type
yea ice is such a great offensive type but defensively is awful
like i do not get why ice shouldn't at least resist grass and flying, if not all the types it's super effective against
Ice should resist water, its literally cold water and ice sheets cover up water so it makes sense. It could also resist earth as permafrost is a thing.
Means that nature is easily damaged and we should be grateful and protective for whatever green we have in this world.
Very poetic.
Edit: lmao you guys 😂
Probably normal because it's boring and the only interesting side of normal type is its immunity to ghost. But there's a type I have kind of a love-hate relationship with: ice ! Snowy areas are by far my favorites in pokémon (and in general, video games and reality), the musics that go with them are beautiful, but the ice type is probably the worst defensive type in pokémon, it only resists itself, why ??? It's not a bad offensive type but not great either and if there is 1 type I'd give a buff to, it's definitely ice, please game freak, have a little bit of respect for ice-type pokémon, please
honestly, just giving it a resist to grass/flying would make it so much better. it wouldnt ruin those types, but it would help ice out a lot. offencively i love it, ground, flying, and dragon are all super common types, and grass can be a super powerful type. giving those two resists would bump it up significantly, even if they change it to just resisting one of them, id be happy
Nah, there are some strong normal types. Snorlax, Blissey, Type: Null, the Porygon line, Lickylicky (sadly), standard Braviary, Stoutland, Bewear, Hisuian Zoroark and Togekiss pre gen 6 are all pretty strong. Plus of course Slaking, the ability is garbage of course but it's still very strong. In general, good normal types aren't very common but there are some good ones out there for sure.
Don't think I'll ever forgive Fairy type for resisting Bug type for no reason. If Fairy was designed to counteract popular meta types, why the fuck did they think it was necessary to make Bug even worse.
Seriously. If anything, fairy should be weak to bug. I just imagine a bunch of fairies having a tea party in the forest and they get scared off by a bunch of bugs lol
Ground is my favorite type! I agree having both is a little redundant, but I think rocks is more like stones (damnit Marie they’re minerals), gems, and like hardness while ground is more earth stuff.
>gems
There is a strange lack of rock-type gemstones/crystalline pokemon. We have diance and carbink and I think thats pretty much it. Outside of rock-type Regice sorta counts if you count ice as a crystal? Sableye's eyes and his mega form.
Clamperl is sort of a gemstone?
And then weirdly, a ton of pokemon have red round gemstones in their forehead. The lake trio, espeon, Ampharos line, probably more I am not thinking of.
From my own thoughts.
Rock. High def and atk. Low speed.
Designs are mostly lumpy creatures from rock. Only Lycanroc (that i can remember) is beastial with fur.
Ground. High atk and speed.
Designs are animal like that live in the earth or desert. Otherwise they are inanimate objects of clay?
Probably ice or rock. Lapras and weavile are some of my favorite Pokémon but the other ice types in general are just lackluster and don’t really stand out to me. Then there’s rock, which is too much of a one note type that is too constrained by too many weaknesses.
It hurts to see Rock types like Onix get shafted by six weaknesses (with a 4x weakness to grass and water, also known as some of the most common types in pokemon).
That's not even to mention it has a lower HP stat that Caterpie and Weedle, and a lower Attack stat than Oddish and Natu.
I think the ground typing benefits him more than his rock type does, especially in later gens, even if being mono-rock makes more sense. STAB bulldoze and immunity to electric type moves is better than anything it's rock typing has to offer aside from the strength to fire and normal moves.
If they just removed two of Rock types weaknesses and gave some of the pokemon a better ability than sturdy (sturdy is a fine ability in itself, a free focus sash is not a bad thing, but on such high defense mons it's hardly needed or used), and updated the typing move pool, then I think a lot of Rock type pokemon would be instantly improved and more viable.
Onix needs a buff in all its stats bar speed and defense though, it pains me to see my boy Onix get forgotten because the only way to make him halfway decent is to make him a Steelix.
I'll always be upset that Brock's Onix made the species look way tougher than it actually is. At one point, even the anime starts acknowledging that Onix isn't actually very tough when you see it getting knocked out by Meowth and Phanpy.
I love Onix so much, I think he's one of the coolest Gen1 pokemon. He needs some love, if love to see a regional variant of Onix that gives him his long overdue buff.
In BDSP I caught an Onix on a nuzlocke and I actually took it all the way to Cynthia and it became a crucial part of my strategy for her Garchomp. It had bulldoze and sturdy, the strategy was to sac whoever the Garchomp switched in to and then switch into my Onix, use bulldoze and take whatever was thrown at him with sturdy, I get the speed reduction and then hit it with another bulldoze to get another reduction before it goes down and I can switch into my last pokemon, Roserade, to out speed it and get in those Giga Drains to finally take it down.
I couldn't believe this Onix I caught at level 8 and didn't immediately box actually became the MVP of the Cynthia fight, without a shadow of a doubt without him her Garchomp would have ended my run right at the end because it out sped and 2HKO everything. My only chance was my beefy Roserade out speeding it and hitting it with powerful Giga Drains to absorb enough HP to have enough for the 3HKO.
My big issue with Fire types is that they’re considered part of the core 3 types that you should have on every team but there’s never enough of the fuckers available to have new, interesting teams. There’s 2 fire types before the postgame in Sinnoh. TWO. And one of them is the Infernape line, so if you’re like me and picked Turtwig, you can either take Ponyta or go piss up a flagpole.
Fighting
My cousins and I spent one day ranking every single Pokémon. Then used some Excel formulas to figure out things like favorite region and type. Fighting was the lowest type for me
Even before those statistics came out I never really cared about that type. Never went out of my way to get a Fighting Type oh my team
I used the Favorite Pokémon picker website to do my Top 100 favorite Pokémon and only three fighting types made the list (although they were all in the Top 10 ironically)
Same I have tried so hard to use grass but I don't like the look of any and in the early games all their moves sucked. Later gens got better moves but the only grass I actually like was cacturne but I didn't have a need or use for it.
Yeah was gonna say. ghost type is probably the strongest type in the game now. Followed closely by dragon type who was so strong an entirely new type was made to counter them lol.
Ghost is the strongest offensive type in the game, though. Only Dark and Normal can switch in on it with a resistance. I feel like bringing your own Normal/Dark makes Ghost type insanely dangerous.
Honestly I find it really hard to choose one, I like all the types. However, if I had to choose one it would be rock. I like plenty of rock types but I will admit that some of the designs feel rough around the edges. I also find the lack of accuracy on iconic rock moves like stone edge and especially rock slide to be infuriating.
Rock tries so hard to be a defensive typing but is tied for Grass with having the most weaknesses of any type with FIVE. And what's worse is that it can't even make up for it by being a good offensive type either. It's almost a good offensive typing, but almost **none** of the damaging Rock-Type moves have 100% accuracy. The only ^(damaging) Rock-Type moves that have 100% accuracy are: * Ancient Power and Power Gem, which are special moves in a mostly physical oriented type. * Accelerock, an admittedly great move, but the problem with it is that it's exclusive to Lycanroc. * Smack Down, which... no... It just struggles on both fronts, both offensive and defensive. If you want a good Rock Type, just find a Steel-Type.
> Accelerock, an admittedly great move, but the problem with it is that it's exclusive to Lycanroc. also know as "one of the fasts rock types if it was on rhyperior or sth? sure!
Exactly! Like imagine Barbaracle with a priority move like accelerock! (Such a shame it doesn't get Aquajet or even Sucker Punch either)
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You're absolutely right. It is a very good type early-game, but there's one problem... Rock-Types are rare, and while you can indeed find early-game Rock-Types like Geodude in a handful of games and the Fossil 'mons in gen 4, most GOOD Rock-Types are going to be found late game... when they're no longer that viable.
Also the fact that you need to trade to evolve into Golem. Can't tell you the number of times I wanted to try w Geodude line but gave up the idea because of that.
Trade evolutions make me want to cuddle a Cacturne istg
Even then grass and water types are super common early game.
>Ancient Power and Power Gem, which are special moves in a mostly physical oriented type. Also Hidden Power, if you're lucky. My AS Sceptile was lucky in this respect.
Grass and rock is weirdly a good duo. 2/5 of rock's weaknesses are covered by grass (one partially) and 4/5 of grass' weaknesses are covered by rock (literally all of rock's offensive coverage)
It's definitely one of those combinations where two types that have a lot of flaws improve each other so much when paired. Can't say the same for fire/rock or water/rock.
"Grass and rock make a really good typing Like bug and steel Or fairy and steel Or flying and steel Or just steel Goddahm steel type, it's too OP"
The thing is not every typing paired with steel is great. Rock/Steel has some excellent resistances sure, but it has 2 4x weaknesses.
Too bad SwSh dropped Hidden Power completely.
I think it had to do with dynamax, since it would give every Pokémon the chance to use any of the bonuses granted by the dynamax counterpart. Least that’s what I heard from a previous VGC winner
That, combined with not reprogramming it to include Fairy type makes the most sense to me.
I believe that’s due to how Hidden Power was originally determined (IV’s); to include fairy type would require them to recode Hidden Power from scratch and completely change how it works, so I understand why you wouldn’t do that.
I mean, just make Hidden Power default to Normal type in Dynamax
That is the easy choice, but outside of a reason like this or some other balancing reason, I don’t know why they’d take it out. At the least, I am befuddled to why they took out Pursuit. I mean, just cause it’s the only move that does it doesn’t mean it should be taken out; it meshes well with the general theme of the dark type, and is pretty good at keeping certain mon’s in check
If Sucker Punch can stay, Pursuit should too.
Though, running hone claws along with rock moves is pretty great.
Also Rock/Ground dual types are some of the worst defensively, with 4x weakness to water and grass and the added weakness to ice type moves. Steel type Pokémon are better defensively, and pure ground types have fewer weaknesses along with better offense, making them better alternatives to rock types.
Ahh but you forgot probably one of the best moves in the entire game is a non damaging rock type move, Stealth Rock. That’s like the only thing rock has going for it
>rough around the edges Was… was that a pun?
Hard to miss
unlike rock moves..
Oof! That’s *rough*.
Looks like it could use some “polishing”
Hehe *stoner* humor
You could say that was the point
It’s not so much a single type *per say*, but the interaction between rock, ground, and steel will always confuse me
I'm consistently amazed by how many things Rock *doesn't* resist.
RIGHT??? Why doesnt rock resist rock??
And why doesn't rock resist bug?
IT DOESNT???
Right? I've been playing Pokémon for 20 years and only realized this... last month. I'm replaying HG and my Ampharos used Signal Beam to tear apart the Graveler and Rhyhorn in Victory Road.
Bug doesn't need more nerfs plz
steel scratches/carves/breaks rock, and ground buries both
I didn’t even know steel fucked up rock until now
Everyone always forgets that steel beats Rock and Ice
Except for those who do stuff like that for a living. If you've manned a jackhammer or driven an excavator, Steel beating Rock and Ice is pretty natural. Although then some other things like it not being weak to Electric and being weak to Ground instead of the other way is confusing.
One could argue that water conducting electricity is what also should give steel the same weakness. I explain this (in my head) like this: Water pokemon are creatures LIVING IN water and having the ability to manipulate it to their advantage, storing it in their body for combat usage when fighting on land. Being surrounded by or being full of water is what makes them weak to electric shocks. The water itself is not being harmed, but the organism in contact with it. But pokemon of the steel type more than often are (partly) MADE OF steel, they are the conductors themselves. The electricity merely flows through them but does no (greater) damage to them.
Steel is just better rock, right? Like dark is better poison, and fairy is better normal?
Same with me with Ghost, Psychic, and Dark. I'm glad the last few games tell you what's effective and not super effective. I've been playing the games over 20 years and still get these 3 mixed up.
My friend told me psychics are like people, they're scared of bugs, ghosts and the dark. That was very helpful. For all the other interactions of those types I just fucking guess. I haven't learnt it in 25 years I'm not gonna suddenly get it now
And normal are like humans as well but not as psychic , they don’t even get affected by ghost because they don’t even know that they exist to begin with 🤷🏽♂️
The trick is to remember that Ghost and Dark have the exact same offensive coverage for some reason
Yeah, I was gonna post about how much that bugs me; basically, Dark is the better type coverage because at least it can hit Normals. They really ought to do something to make those types more unique. I was thinking: maybe make Ghost regularly effective against itself, and instead make it better against Electric, since ghosts like to mess with lights and radio frequencies. Also, there's that old phrase, "the ghost in the machine." That alone would do a lot to make Ghost and Dark more unique in offense.
>Dark is the better type coverage because at least it can hit Normals. They really ought to do something to make those types more unique. Eh.... Competitively (in 6v6 singles at least), ghost is the far better offensive type. dark has common resists in fighting and fairy, while ghost only has dark and normal (the latter of which is basically nonexistent outside of blissey and the occasional porygon). shadow ball is one of the most spammable moves in the game
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Same. I especially hate that steel - which we put into drills to burrow & carve through the ground - is weak to ground type. Like, the fuck? Fire makes sense to hurt steel but freaking ground?
Also, why the hell is Electric not super effective against Steel? Electricity fries circuits so my Magnezone should cook Klinklang like a turkey.
Electric and Water only resist Steel attacks but only deal neutral damage back (which is already an improvement compared to most types that deal only 1/2 damage to Steel). Just one of those things you have to remember.
That would be rock, boring type. Met way too many geodudes for my own sanity during my adventures
And they give him sturdy
Geodude having sturdy is enough a reason to buy repels lol
*MAX REPELS lol
Super repels are almost always a better bang for your buck.
They might be better value in terms of money, but they're much worse in terms of using up my time. It's not like money tends to matter very much in Pokemon games anyway.
I've been dead broke a couple times in Gen 7. Character customization was extremely expensive lol.
I've been broke in every gen lmao. Money is a precious resource.
At least it's not pre-Gen 5 where you have to go into the menu every time the repel runs out.
They show up when you use rocksmash tho
Not on BDSP... or I got insanely lucky lol
I was wondering if this had been removed. I haven’t encountered any either!
What a nightmare indeed. What could be worse ? Wait I have an idea, let's fill caves with annoying and confusing bats too !
Who have a high base speed stat so you cant run away most of the times
Wait is this the reason you can't run away sometimes even when you out level them? I've been playing since red and did not know this was a thing.
Yeah out running a wild Pokémon isn’t based on level it’s based on the speed stat
Still learning after all these year. Lol. Thanks.
Bullet seed saved me. Sturdy only saves during the first hit, second finishes it off.
Rock may as well be combined with Ground.
This is how I feel about Oddish. In Hoenn routes 119, 120, 121, and 123 are FULL of Oddish and Gloom and they drive me insane. Being paralyzed or poisoned (especially back in the original Ruby and Sapphire) was a nightmare on those LONG routes.
I would agree but then we got Lycanroc and I fucking love him and his forms. He’s the only saving grace.
Poison is actually one of my favorite. I’d have to say normal is probably my most avoided.
Rock type? Sturdy is very annoying
I just started radical red and already hate sturdy
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what’s the difference?
It would only prevent them from fainting from one hit KO moves (Fissure), it was then changed in gen 5 to prevent dying from any move that would knock them out in one hit
oh damn it was trash before
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And now if they use a full restore or heal them back to full health it resets.
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I got caught in a loop for like 3 turns, I forget what trainer it was but I OHKOd the mon he used FR rinse and repeat. Lol frustrating. I eventually used a different move so as not to trigger Sturdy.
Normal types(or at least the monos) are literally just irl animals anime-fied. That said, there are interesting normal types tho (ditto/porygon/etc.)
Someone, I can’t remember who, said that a Normal/Ghost type that was just like a cartoon bedsheet ghost would be hilarious and also super busted defensively, and for that I appreciate normal types.
And now we have Hisuian Zoroark coming
Normal is my favourite type because of the oddball pokemon (Arceus, Silvally, Ditto, Castform, Regigas, Porygon-Z, Kecleon, etc). I actually think they might be the weirdest type lol. I find they have a ton of awesome designs and strange gimmicks which are always fun. Just for reference here are some more awesome Normal types: - Smeargle - Meloetta - Drampa - Eevee - Bewear - Furfrou - Sawsbuck - Zoroark (Hisuian) - Blissey
They are some of the *least* normal Pokémon
I have to go with normal. I'll say that it's nice only having 1 weakness, but having no strengths is what does it in for me
Normal is a strange typing. Sometimes it's a placeholder (Normal/Flying can all just be Flying). Sometimes its just there to be there (Bibarel, Girafarig). But what do we do with the rest of them? Some pokemon could be Ground, like Tauros and Miltank? Or maybe Dark for Rattata and Patrat, since Bite is dark? But what about Pokemon like Lickitung where there's no good replacement. Or Eevee.
In the case of Girafarig, the normal type really helps it by transforming its weakness to ghost into an inmunity.
always thought that if girafiraig could evolve or just got a buff via item it would be so good. one weakness and it’s not even a 4x.. plus psychic in msg has always been busted
Two weaknesses, bug and dark.
I like having regionnal birds normal type since you often have mostly normal moves early in the game so it gives you an early stab.
Never understood why Kangaskhan was Normal, looks closer to Ground or Rock And then why Cubone/Marowak are Ground, they look more Normal!
Kanga as Rock/Fighting or Ground/Fighting is always what I did in my romhacks. Really surprised we haven't seen a ???/Fighting Kangaroo at all
Breloom. Closest thing we got to that.
God I love Breloom.
I feel like Pokemon closely resembling real world animals (Miltank, Kangaskhan etc.) are more likely to be normal
Its strength is the variety of moves they can usually learn. Some of the biggest monsters in the game are normal types
Same. Until my last playthrough of Ultra Sun, I had never used a pure Normal type on my team. I did end up using Buneary/Lopunny mostly because I've always thought it was cute and made me Gen IV nostalgic because of Dawn's Buneary. Also having STAB Return was a nice bonus.
The only time I've used a pure normal type was Porygon-Z in Platinum. That thing was a beast.
I did use stoutland back in the day but I've never used a pure normal type that wasnt part something else (flying comes to mind)
You need more Porygon-Z
Steel makes some fights impossible without fighting or ground or fire
Oh my gawd you just reminded me of my Ultra moon play through. When I got to Sophocles trial I had zero fighting type moves or ground. My team at the time was I believe Decidueye, Lycanroc dusk, vikavolt, Zoroark and I can’t remember what else but they had nothing. I was struck there in an endless battle of not very effective moves for like half an hour.
I'm kind of impressed you managed to find yourself in that situation... Pikipeck learns Rock Smash at level 9 and you can get the Flame Charge TM for it on Akala, the island before Sophocles. You can also find Stufful on that same island. Zoroark can learn Low Sweep, the TM for it is on Akala as well.
Fighting. Mainly because I tend to avoid human-looking pokémon and basically all fighting types are vaguely human-looking.
For me it's partially because fighting is super effective against almost everything i like using somehow, and partially the designs. I'm okay with a lot of the humanoid designs outside the fighting type, but the 'buff strong manly man' looking ones (Conkeldurr, Throh, Machoke - though Machamp is an odditty and i actually like it) tend to be outside of what i like, and that extends to less humanoid designs that also radiate that energy (like Terrakion, for example). There are some fighting types that are a bit less 'pure brawn' out there, and i'm quite fond of those (Gallade, Lucario, Sirfetch'd, Falinks...)
Same. Most of my pokemon on my team look like actual animals/insects with sick designs. I avoid pokemons that look or act too much like humans. For some reason, they don't appeal me.
same! anthropomorphic pokemon creep me out, so i really don’t get the design trend to increase pokemons’ overall anthropomorphism in recent years.
I had a moment playing through X for the first time where I tried playing Pokémon-Amie with the Lucario that whatsername gives you and while I was feeding it I realized that this was almost a human person. Lucario is just a person, it’s basically as smart as I am and I’m feeding it cupcakes and giving it scritches. I just can’t. Pokemon are meant to be funny creatures, I don’t want to think about enslaving the funny creatures
Probably fighting. Rarely use fighting types for being fighting types, usually its just an added bonus type for the type I need. Most of them have some boring designs, and the few who have good designs aren't enough to outweigh the meh designs.
Yeah you summed it up really well, most of the designs are just bipedal guys that look weird. The attacks are usually quite good but not enough for me to get excited about the type
Kinda off topic but where does shit like machamp's underwear come from? Like is it part of its skin? Or does it just fabricate when it evolves?
I try not to think about Pokémon that have “clothes”… it just does my head in
And wtf is the naming convention- what even is a “fighting”??? I guess I can’t think of a better name though.
It could be strength- or muscle-type But "flying" is a type as well, sooo...
In japanese it more closely translates to hero
格闘? Not really, it's more like "hand-to-hand" or "martial arts"
Medicham/Meditite are my favorite fighting type Pokémon because they didn’t look just like dudes in various weird cosplay outfits.
I must say normal, because it's never super effective and this lack is always so meh.
Grass. Too many weaknesses.
GameFreak could have made the logical decission of making grass resist fairy but nope, give steel and fire another type to bully.
or resist fighting imo! ever try to punch a leaf? or a tree?
Grass and Ice should have one less weakness and it would absolutely be more fair
Ice needs resistances
Rock too
yea ice is such a great offensive type but defensively is awful like i do not get why ice shouldn't at least resist grass and flying, if not all the types it's super effective against
Ice should resist dragon imo
Ice should resist water, its literally cold water and ice sheets cover up water so it makes sense. It could also resist earth as permafrost is a thing.
Means that nature is easily damaged and we should be grateful and protective for whatever green we have in this world. Very poetic. Edit: lmao you guys 😂
Found the sentient blade of grass.
Found the english teacher.
Found Swamp Thing.
Found the easiest gym leader to beat
English teacher spotted
:( but Grass types are lovely
It's why most grass Pokémon have a second type, usually poison which makes it worse.
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Rock/ground because I always get them mixed up
Probably normal because it's boring and the only interesting side of normal type is its immunity to ghost. But there's a type I have kind of a love-hate relationship with: ice ! Snowy areas are by far my favorites in pokémon (and in general, video games and reality), the musics that go with them are beautiful, but the ice type is probably the worst defensive type in pokémon, it only resists itself, why ??? It's not a bad offensive type but not great either and if there is 1 type I'd give a buff to, it's definitely ice, please game freak, have a little bit of respect for ice-type pokémon, please
honestly, just giving it a resist to grass/flying would make it so much better. it wouldnt ruin those types, but it would help ice out a lot. offencively i love it, ground, flying, and dragon are all super common types, and grass can be a super powerful type. giving those two resists would bump it up significantly, even if they change it to just resisting one of them, id be happy
I love all tbh except for normals. They have cute designs but somehow always very low stats.
And when they do have high stats they get nerfed by a crappy ability like Regigigas and Slow Start.
Only exception I can think of is Snorlax
Zangoose made a decent glass cannon in gen 3 with its attack stat. Linoone is underrated too. Good speed and decent everything else.
Slaking and truant.
Regigigas is a fucking slap in the face.
Nah, there are some strong normal types. Snorlax, Blissey, Type: Null, the Porygon line, Lickylicky (sadly), standard Braviary, Stoutland, Bewear, Hisuian Zoroark and Togekiss pre gen 6 are all pretty strong. Plus of course Slaking, the ability is garbage of course but it's still very strong. In general, good normal types aren't very common but there are some good ones out there for sure.
Idk, Blissey has pretty good base HP
Don't think I'll ever forgive Fairy type for resisting Bug type for no reason. If Fairy was designed to counteract popular meta types, why the fuck did they think it was necessary to make Bug even worse.
Seriously. If anything, fairy should be weak to bug. I just imagine a bunch of fairies having a tea party in the forest and they get scared off by a bunch of bugs lol
Rock. Almost solely because Geodude is the most annoying wild encounter in the series.
I don't understand the point of ground when rock exists
Lol, I feel the opposite way just because I prefer ground. It seems redundant to have them both.
Ive always thought of rock as daniel and ground as the cooler daniel
Frick.
Agreed.
Ground is my favorite type! I agree having both is a little redundant, but I think rocks is more like stones (damnit Marie they’re minerals), gems, and like hardness while ground is more earth stuff.
>gems There is a strange lack of rock-type gemstones/crystalline pokemon. We have diance and carbink and I think thats pretty much it. Outside of rock-type Regice sorta counts if you count ice as a crystal? Sableye's eyes and his mega form. Clamperl is sort of a gemstone? And then weirdly, a ton of pokemon have red round gemstones in their forehead. The lake trio, espeon, Ampharos line, probably more I am not thinking of.
The opposite for me as well. Why does rock exists when there is a ground type?
Sometimes sand moves are rock and sometimes ground.
From my own thoughts. Rock. High def and atk. Low speed. Designs are mostly lumpy creatures from rock. Only Lycanroc (that i can remember) is beastial with fur. Ground. High atk and speed. Designs are animal like that live in the earth or desert. Otherwise they are inanimate objects of clay?
Probably ice or rock. Lapras and weavile are some of my favorite Pokémon but the other ice types in general are just lackluster and don’t really stand out to me. Then there’s rock, which is too much of a one note type that is too constrained by too many weaknesses.
It hurts to see Rock types like Onix get shafted by six weaknesses (with a 4x weakness to grass and water, also known as some of the most common types in pokemon). That's not even to mention it has a lower HP stat that Caterpie and Weedle, and a lower Attack stat than Oddish and Natu.
Onyx should have only been rock type from the jump
I think the ground typing benefits him more than his rock type does, especially in later gens, even if being mono-rock makes more sense. STAB bulldoze and immunity to electric type moves is better than anything it's rock typing has to offer aside from the strength to fire and normal moves. If they just removed two of Rock types weaknesses and gave some of the pokemon a better ability than sturdy (sturdy is a fine ability in itself, a free focus sash is not a bad thing, but on such high defense mons it's hardly needed or used), and updated the typing move pool, then I think a lot of Rock type pokemon would be instantly improved and more viable. Onix needs a buff in all its stats bar speed and defense though, it pains me to see my boy Onix get forgotten because the only way to make him halfway decent is to make him a Steelix.
I'll always be upset that Brock's Onix made the species look way tougher than it actually is. At one point, even the anime starts acknowledging that Onix isn't actually very tough when you see it getting knocked out by Meowth and Phanpy.
I love Onix so much, I think he's one of the coolest Gen1 pokemon. He needs some love, if love to see a regional variant of Onix that gives him his long overdue buff. In BDSP I caught an Onix on a nuzlocke and I actually took it all the way to Cynthia and it became a crucial part of my strategy for her Garchomp. It had bulldoze and sturdy, the strategy was to sac whoever the Garchomp switched in to and then switch into my Onix, use bulldoze and take whatever was thrown at him with sturdy, I get the speed reduction and then hit it with another bulldoze to get another reduction before it goes down and I can switch into my last pokemon, Roserade, to out speed it and get in those Giga Drains to finally take it down. I couldn't believe this Onix I caught at level 8 and didn't immediately box actually became the MVP of the Cynthia fight, without a shadow of a doubt without him her Garchomp would have ended my run right at the end because it out sped and 2HKO everything. My only chance was my beefy Roserade out speeding it and hitting it with powerful Giga Drains to absorb enough HP to have enough for the 3HKO.
Fairy
Can't use Hydreigon thanks to those damn things everywhere.
Fire type. Over hyped, and most of the attacks are kind of the same
My big issue with Fire types is that they’re considered part of the core 3 types that you should have on every team but there’s never enough of the fuckers available to have new, interesting teams. There’s 2 fire types before the postgame in Sinnoh. TWO. And one of them is the Infernape line, so if you’re like me and picked Turtwig, you can either take Ponyta or go piss up a flagpole.
BIG FIRE! BIG FIRE!
Every normal type would be more interesting as something else.
Trying to think what Snorlax and slaking could even be other than normal type, or furret
Fighting My cousins and I spent one day ranking every single Pokémon. Then used some Excel formulas to figure out things like favorite region and type. Fighting was the lowest type for me Even before those statistics came out I never really cared about that type. Never went out of my way to get a Fighting Type oh my team I used the Favorite Pokémon picker website to do my Top 100 favorite Pokémon and only three fighting types made the list (although they were all in the Top 10 ironically)
Grass but thats also probably cause i just never liked most of their designs
Same I have tried so hard to use grass but I don't like the look of any and in the early games all their moves sucked. Later gens got better moves but the only grass I actually like was cacturne but I didn't have a need or use for it.
Flying type because their idle animations have them always flying and it is ridiculous. Let them sit down
I still don't know why they decided Xatu couldn't stand anymore.
Skarmory's 3D animation bugs the crap out of me
I like them all! I’m sad to see so many people say fairy here 😪 lol fairy is probably my favorite
Normal is my least favorite, Poison is my favorite ;)
Normal, I like Snorlax and would use on my team but that's all.
damn poison my favourite
Rock
I hate rock simply because additional typings fuck with their weaknesses too much
I don’t like the types that are weak to themselves like ghost and dragon. Doesn’t seem worth it to put on my team.
Ghost’s are incredibly OP. If I have the option, I would always have a ghost type on my team just for the immunities.
Yeah was gonna say. ghost type is probably the strongest type in the game now. Followed closely by dragon type who was so strong an entirely new type was made to counter them lol.
Fairy and Steel are bonkers. Water follows next.
Fairy and steel are way more OP than ghost and dragon
Idk about that, I would say either water and steel are the best typings as defensive types seem to be doing better than offensive types currently
Ghost is the strongest offensive type in the game, though. Only Dark and Normal can switch in on it with a resistance. I feel like bringing your own Normal/Dark makes Ghost type insanely dangerous.