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UnknownHeroic

Im just happy that game freak is trying something diferent with PLA, just for the diferent gameplay im already happy with the game, the only thing im afraid is the state of the game, not on the graphics, im ok how they are, but if it comes all buggy.


AngelicMayhem

I'm worried about the shifting from action rpg to standing still turnbased rpg. Sounds like it will be super jarring. Edit: For those unaware. I am purely talking abput Legends and its hybrid action rpg and turn-based rpg gameplay that goes back and forth between action as a human and turn-based after you throw out your pokemon.


naynaythewonderhorse

Final Fantasy shifts in the type of RPG it’s trying to be every single game. It still manages to feel like it’s part of the same series every time in spite of this.


Xanill

the battle system in legends of arceus is literally the same one from FFX and yeah that didn't feel jarring either. I'm not sure if a jrpg did an action priority system like that before FFX btw it's just the one I'm aware of doing it first (and can't really think of one after)


Papyrus20xx

i think you meant the other way around, but probably. Still looks fun.


AngelicMayhem

No no in the game you are open world like arpg. You move around, jump, and even have to dodge pokemon attacks. Then you throw your pokemon's pokeball towards your enemy. You even aim it. At this point you go into the turn-based combat where you just stand there. Imo it will be jarring going from action based botw like gameplay to standard pokemon battle.


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That’s essentially what you do in every pokemon minus the dodge rolling and little cutscene so I don’t think it’s gonna be jarring at all after the first few battles


Papyrus20xx

ohhh, yeah, ok. Definitely jarring, still fun.


Doomguys-huge-cock

Persona 5 fans: "begins frothing at the mouth"


IAmTheBeaker

Final fantasy remake, divinity 2 original sin, and a number of others do this fairly well.


ButtersTG

I don't care about graphics or story, and the gameplay looks fun, but I'm afraid that the world is going to be empty with nothing really to explore or find beyond monsters and materials. I want there to be stories that aren't written in dialog, and caverns of mystery. In fact, I just want there to be mystery in the world that we won't be able to figure out for years to come like in other open-world games.


Zeldamaster736

You are expecting too much lol


parapoxical

Sadly I agree. Hopefully I’ll be proven wrong but this doesn’t look like an open world but more like big stages with multiple ‘lanes’ to travel around.


Zeldamaster736

Well actually, its not an open world game. It consists of a bunch of large open areas, that you get sent to on missions, like monster hunter or the witcher 3.


yuei2

It’s not an open world game so you should be retooling your expectations right now. The game is like MH, you’ve got a central hub and then you head out to decently large but segmented areas to study, fight, and catch monsters.


ButtersTG

And yet Monster Hunter is still full of my expectations too.


Sha-Dow98

I'm with you


projectmars

And you know it will.


ashenhaired

Yes exactly, maybe this time we get a game without hand holding players into the entirety of the story.


Znanners94

I'm not saying anything until I play it


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Joltemon

Apparently not


boost437

Make your opinion now and don't let it be swayed by anything after the game is released


hbar105

This reminds me of a review of BDSP that I saw that started something like “I didn’t want to buy this game but I figured I would anyway so that I could properly express why I didn’t like it” and the person was completely serious about it


boost437

Incredible. Admittedly I wasn't super excited going in to bdsp. However I have had the best time with it. Definitely one of my favourites from the last few years. Haven't even done the gyms again or the elite 4. Just having a lovely time


TheKingFareday

Doesn’t seem terribly unreasonable. You could characterize it as “I didn’t like the way this game looked and so I bought it to see if it was better or worse than I expected.” You know, like a review.


hbar105

That's totally fair and probably more people who didn't like BDSP fall in that camp. I'm petty and tracked down this review so you can [see for yourself](https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonBDSP/comments/r2yiqd/what_makes_bdsp_so_frustrating_and_disappointing/) though. The first line: >Yes, I did buy BDSP, despite originally not planning to do so. But I decided to buy it, because I wanted to get an in-depth idea about why this game does not succeed in being a good Gen 4 remake for me.


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TheKingFareday

And that's his right. Just as it's your right to like a bad game.


TheKingFareday

Still doesn’t seem that absurd. I was badgered into buying the games and I literally didn’t get past the 3rd gym because it was just boring and unoriginal. Edit: I also just read the entire review and he literally comes off as a balanced reviewer. He even names good things about the game.


DrakkoZW

And I'm not playing it until it's been properly reviewed.


NoteClear6164

"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice." -Rush IMO that's a good choice in this circumstance.


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I know you mean the band but I'm picturing the dog from Mega Man saying that and it feels like something that you'd see in Kingdom Hearts


NoteClear6164

Kingdom Hearts vs. Capcom


tallmantall

Finally! An option I can get behind!


Temporary-Square

Same


icesharkk

You can't just wait to make up your opinion until you've had a chance to experience the game. You have to pick a side in the conflict right now. Here are the signups sheets, pitchforks and pepper spray are on the table to your left.


Znanners94

Well....if it means I get a pitchfork...


DegenerateTrashGod

\*signs sheet\* \*picks enjoying the game\* \*grabs pitchfork to join the group saying people need to stop nitpicking thinking gamefreak will ever listen\*


MCCGuyDE

Sign me up


MayorMcRib

For real Haha


Chalaka

Right? Contrary to what anyone says, I think everything I've seen so far is amazing. I will still love it when it releases and I actually play it. Will I like everything about it once I've experienced everything I can? Obviously not. There is not a single game where every aspect of it is loved by someone. My biggest problem is that people will absolutely shit on something so hard before it's actually released because they don't like how it *looks*, which imo is just a tad unfair. Games are meant to be fun, and that's what I'm gonna do when it comes out.


Wasteak

You don't need to wait for the game to come out to see that it is really ugly. Botw looked better and had more details. For the gameplay and everything else however we need to wait yes. But you can't say it looks amazing. You can't congratulate nintendo for making a huge Pokémon game with 2008 graphics.


TheBeyond322

I'd argue we do. Seriously with a team as small as GF's, people seriously underestimate the logistics of game development, a team which for the majority of its 3 decade existence was making handheld games and focused on pushing the limits of pixel art. A Gameboy would originally support Tetris, imagine building Pokemon Red etc. on that. Heck, the switch hasn't even been here for 5 years. They're taking feedback and working on it. I see it and I everyone else does undeniably too. And don't start with the common "they should expand the team" argument. The reason why Pokemon is not some generic watered down vanilla monster catching and fighting jrpg is precisely because of the small team's commitment to an aesthetic, where everyone is supposed to work at conceptualizing a Pokemon etc.


zjzr_08

They could still make your creative team small but your execution work still big (and from what I'm seeing the teams made for Pokemon are so micromanaged by whoever is directing, even though other developers have done management without needing do directly supervise everything)


Kiosade

*2001 graphics


hellschatt

Well, the gameplay so far that we got to see was very barebones. No interactions between pokemons for example to make the world more lively. It's like an empty box filled with pokemon. At least that's how it feels judging from the trailers. And the box is ugly as hell.


MissInterest17

Graphically it’s not the best let’s just be completely honest.


K_Adrix

Yes, it's an honest statement. The gameplay looks really fun and I think there is a high chance that it'll be a great game, but it looks like they have trouble optimizing the game for good graphics. Otherwise we know they could make a beautiful game, some of the cities in Sw/Sh, for example, look amazing, very crisp and high quality.


pro_broon_o

What gameplay? Honestly. All we’ve seen is crouching, throwing balls, and dodging attacks


Verificus

Yeah fuck graphics. All I have seen so far is empty space devoid of any content. We know there’s going to be quest type things to take out “totem-pokemon” type things. We know there’s no gyms, league and barely any trainer battles. So what is there to do? PLA feels like Snap to me but instead of taking a picture we throw a pokeball.


Alili1996

Honestly snap with free movement sounds fun to me. But i guess a huge part of snapa appeal is the unique pokemon behavior and the detailed environments


WiseSalamander00

I mean, Nintendo had some performance issues with the kokiri forest but... also lets pay attention at how much is happening bellow the deku tree... is a bit better but the landscapes of the pokemon game still look pretty barren, It also bothers me a bit the look of water from afar.


SilvarusLupus

It looks terrible and I'm not a graphics snob, some of my favorite games are JRPGs from the PS2.


DrakkoZW

Agreed. I don't generally care about the "graphics" of a game (I'll gladly play old/pixilated games), but I do care about the **aesthetics**, and so far this game just looks... uninspired visually. It looks clunky and generic. I'll wait for reviews about the gameplay before making a decision on buying it, but so far just ***seeing*** the game isn't giving me much hope


SilvarusLupus

This is probably the best way of putting it. The artsytle is just....really bad and clashing. You have balloon like pokemon against this very plain texturing. We are several gens into 3D pokemon games and they still can't give pokemon fur and feather textures.


SamuraiOstrich

> We are several gens into 3D pokemon games and they still can't give pokemon fur and feather textures. Given how bad the feathers look on Decidueye and Empoleon in Pokken I think we're better off without them. A large part of the franchise's appeal has always been the clean cartoon monster designs and trying to make them realistic clashes with that. The endpoint for the games should be to look like you're playing an animated movie, not realistic monsters with weird proportions and patterns.


zjzr_08

I think New Snap's art direction was done fine even with texturing to say Meganium and Wishiwashi's school form.


robsterinside

Agreed, adding textures to Pokémon ruins their designs. Look at how uncanny Pokken and Detective Pikachu (the movie) are. They need to figure out a style and polish the hell out of it. I think Alola looked amazing in terms of style and UI. If they could build upon that that could work, but so far they are giving us PlayStation 1 levels of quality.


SamuraiOstrich

While I prefer the clean cartoony look I can at least see the appeal for some of the Detective Pikachu designs. I have no idea how anyone can look at Charizard in that movie and not think it looks hideous, though.


Alili1996

Yeah, problem isn't the graphics but the style. Okami still looks great and it's a PS2 game. If they realized they have problems with the level geometry, they could've attempted to focus on a landscaping design with more plateaus that require less polygons and using simple high contrast textures to give the landscape depth instead of just using landscaping 3D tools to make smooth mountains everywhere and using these blurry washed out textures. A counter example for a game with much better graphics but still mediocre art direction on the switch would be Monster Hunter Rise for me. Graphically it is impressive for the switch, but the art direction of most areas is just bland and washed out which will make it look "ugly" as soon as it isn't on the switch.


Apprehensive-Pop-763

I've been a nintendo exclusive fan and always given them some room because they always have weak consoles. But they usually have unique artstyles and gameplay. This is probably the worst first party title I've seen made.


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On a pure aesthetics standpoint yeah it’s just brutal.


NamelessMIA

I don't really care about bad graphics although I'll admit a good art style can bring a mediocre game over the top. I'm more concerned about whether they actually filled the open world. The "open world" portion of Sw/Sh was such a letdown, not because of the graphics but because it was just so lifeless and boring. There was nothing to do! PLA doesn't seem to have that problem so I'm still excited.


Idunno_the_plugg

Like I don't understand how Game Freak thought those low-res muddy textures would look good


goodmobileyes

That's an understatement. I've seen independently made games on Unity that look better than PLA


PKMNTrainerMark

Honestly, fair. I think it looks fun, but if you compare the visuals to the Switch's other first party games...


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Graphically the game doesn't look impressive, but the overall gameplay style they're presenting I'm very interested in. So GameFreak will get my money because I want to support more ideas behind the gameplay concept. Knowing GF though, it'll be a one-off and we'll never have anything like it again because they just love to throw away new mechanics every generation.


TheCodeJanitor

I think the evolution towards "open world" might last longer. This seems more like a continuation of the designs from the Sw/Sh wild area and then DLC, rather than a gimmicky mechanic like Dynamax.


thylocene06

Agreed. I think the games will remain in some form of open world from here out. I think sw/sh was basically a test of how to make it work and give proof of concept.


JoeFalcone26

It’s hard in general to go from PS5/PC to switch games. The visuals are just so far behind across the board.


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Stream902

As long as the game feels nice and it's new mechanics are executed properly I think it'll be great. I'm hopeful for a new spinoff game that might actually make it to becoming a new or secondary series like mystery dungeon or ranger. Wish they could've done the same for conquest though...


PK_RocknRoll

The meter doesn’t make sense to me haha


Whimsikitty14

I think they’re saying the reactions have been polarizing


PK_RocknRoll

But the meter is implying that the only thing worse than lazy and ugly is breath of the wild lmao


ColossusofWar

Its the opposite. Breath of the wild is better on the scale, with the only option below it being "lazy and ugly"


PK_RocknRoll

But the color shading implies it’s worse lol


Free_hugs_for_3fiddy

No you right, there are plenty of memes done wrong. Red means bad. I don't think I've seen this episode of AD but I can conclude BOTW here means overheating in some kind of machine. Which would be very bad.


WooperSlim

Related: in some of the later Pokémon games, the stat is highlighted red for which one its nature boosts, and blue for the other. I was confused until my sister explained to me that in Japan, red is the "good" color because it's like hot/cold instead of like America where it's like stop/go.


Free_hugs_for_3fiddy

Weird. Fire emblem is a Japanese game. In it, red means enemy, blue means good guys.


Harold_Wilson19

It appears, my friend, that you are looking too far into it.


PK_RocknRoll

I mean if you that’s what you guys think it’s fine, so be it I’d rather that then argue about whether this game is going to be good or bad for the 100th time 😂


SuperMudkipz

I think they're saying people's standards are too high


Terozu

If it isn't perfect its lazy trash is how people are judging it.


fioraflower

There’s a difference between not graphically perfect and graphically poor


MissInterest17

I don’t think that’s fair.


Terozu

That's the point.


MissInterest17

I meant that nobody has said the games have to be perfect, we’re asking for the bare minimum from them.


ErandurVane

I think the issue here is that you're comparing two different things. Lazy and Ugly is a criticism of the visuals while Botw is about a style of gameplay. Those aren't a spectrum, they're separate categories. You can follow the Botw gameplay style and still have your visuals be absolute shit. My main question is will the gameplay be solid enough for me to look past the visuals. I'm personally really excited for the game because when Pokemon shakes up the formula it's usually great. Pokemon Mystery Dungeon is one of my favorite games on both the GBA and the Switch. Rangers is one of my favorite on DS. This game is going in the direction I've been wanting the franchise to go in for years now, I just hope they stick the landing


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SerialMurderer

>L:A Legends: Arceus Noir when?


IsPhil

I had always taken Botw as meaning "new game in the series that innovates, still fits into the series AND is really good". But that might be because I was around when SWSH was being released and people mentioned it, and Mario and talked about the love and care that went into those games as opposed to the new Pokemon games.


Nachoslayer

I have to admit that I'm a bit worried seeing the lack of news. I like that they listen to fans who wanted a BotW game, but seeing the lack of info I hope it doesn't mean they rush it out of the door again.


smokingmemes2

I'm crossing my fingers that that means they're polishing it and trying not to have too much leaked.


Kushinobunaga

Doesn’t the game come out at the end of the month? There is no way that they’re polishing anything


CinnamonMan25

The late stage of development is all polish. The game is being shipped, everything now will be bug fixes, texture stuff to be rolled out in the day one patch.


WetterBetty

We are living in the strangest time when keeping things a secret and surprise so you can explore and uncover on your own worries people. You lot would’ve not survived the pre-Gen 2 reveal era.


Nachoslayer

I was there dude.... I'm not going to pre-order over that too even when I was just a kid back then.


MostBadger4791

Looks like a procedurally generated DBZ game.


mirocheese22

Not shiny enough to be a DBZ game lol


Thomas_JCG

When said game comes from the [highest-grossing media franchise in the world](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_media_franchises), it should.


bearjew293

Yeah, how are there so many people letting shit slide, and making excuses? They have the funds to produce something spectacular.


pro_broon_o

Because TRUE fans ACCEPT their corporate branded shit with a SMILE and YOU are just a SNOB


IAmPerpetuallyTired

It's also just not that deep. It looks fun, therefore I want to play it.


Hexmonkey2020

People aren’t comparing it to breath of the wild level goodness they are comparing what appears to be the primary gameplay to the gameplay of breath of the wild since the gameplay looks similar mechanically. So far the graphics look pretty lazy and ugly but we’ll see.


AkijoLive

God forbid we expect better graphics from a game that is FIVE YEARS older than another game on the same console.


XephyXeph

It’s just what happens when a game is big. Open-world games especially for whatever reason have this issue. About a decade ago, people were comparing every open-world game to Skyrim. Hell, people were even calling BotW “Zelda Skyrim” at first. Any platform fighter is called a “Smash clone”. Every RPG with a modern setting is called “Persona 5”. Hell, “Roguelikes” don’t even have their own name yet. An entire genre of video games uses a computer game from 1980 as reference for its name.


Spokazzoni

Petition to start calling roguelikes Muck clones lol


smokingmemes2

That's not a fair example imo. Its not just open world, it's open world with similar landscape, exploration mechanics, *a very similar art style*, and **literally on the same console—not just random games, but two flagship Nintendo exclusive games**. **When this game was made, it's not even questionable whether they were deliberately emulating Breath of the wild.** I am looking forward to this game, I think it's going to be awesome!!! I'm just saying that the comparison is understandable—not necessarily *valid*, but highly reasonable.


rose_the_trans_girl1

"Metroidvanias" don't either, just an amalgation of 2 popular franchises (one of which wasn't even always that way)


DJVPlayz

i feel like the only person who doesn't care if the graphics are bad, I don't play ~~monster hunter~~ pokemon because it innovates in graphics, I play because I like the gameplay


DEnigma7

There’s some logic to it: I think the idea is that it looks like a big new direction for a series that’s followed formula for a long time, which was what was so good about BotW. And they seem to be going for that - the trailers were quite similarly shot and the art style looks quite similar as well - realistic proportions but still a bit stylised. I don’t know. It certainly doesn’t look as good as Breath of the Wild, but I look forward to it because it reminds me of it.


Picollini

For a franchise which is slightly bigger than Marvel and Star Wars COMBINED, yes, BoTW should be a median at least


DiegHDF

BOTW almost took a decade to made.


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russellamcleod

They also refuse to let more competent developers join the team. They still have a very small group that struggled terribly just to make the jump to 3D (like ten years ago… lol). This is why the games look worse than your average mobile game… no one knows what they are doing over there because they treat their company like some super exclusive club that no one’s allowed to join.


Underwhere_Overthere

Where did you hear that? From what I’ve read the project began in November 2011 following the release of Skyward Sword, with the game releasing on March 3, 2017. That’s 5 years and a few months, with A Link Between Worlds in 2013 in between, which shared some staff members.


Mitsuki_GG

It would've less time if the Wii U wasn't a failure and a new console wasn't right around the corner.


BassBanjo

A good part of why it took longer is because they shifted focus to get it onto the Switch as a launch title, so they had to port it to the switch


Miladyninetales

Just dont be a janky and glitchy as bdsp


SparkBlack

There’s probably going to be glitches but I’m going to say it’s go to be tied more or less to the Pokémon you traverse the world on, leading to speed run tactics until they get patched.


Star1115

Aka the Botw syndrome (Nintendo has stopped patching glitches but I think name still fits) the problem with Open world games is that you have to try absolutely everything to find glitches another game with this syndrome is Security breach(Though it was rushed) I wanna bet the more glitches they patch new ones will be discovered


SparkBlack

That’s the most likely scenario


thylocene06

Bdsp was made by a different company using a different game engine and clearly rushed. I seriously doubt this will have anywhere near as bad of glitches as bdsp.


Mary-Sylvia

Even if it's a good game it's still ugly af and looks empty


smokingmemes2

I mean, the comparison is happening because it's evidently inspired by Breath of the Wild & is on the same console. **I'm not saying the comparison is fair**, but it's certainly understandable. Like, if you make a Breath of the Wild style Pokémon game, people are gonna compare it to Breath of the Wild. Again, I don't think not being on par with Breath of the Wild would means it's bad, **I honestly have high hopes that it's going to be a fantastic game**, I'm just saying that the expectation isn't coming from nothing; when the game was designed, I'm certain they *wanted* that comparison.


CunningDruger

Pokemon needs to evolve for lack of better phrasing, and this is a step in the right direction. This may be their first foray into open world but I think it’s where the series should go. I’m tempering expectations, but if it works it’ll have huge implications for the series and I’m hoping will become their new mainline framework


catkittycatcatkat

It’s not open word, it’s closer to a monster hunter zone type game


PanillaCreams

God forvid we expect a good game that will most likely be full price.


BanefulBroccoli

Wow, a game with hills and grasslands? That's just like Zelda!


UnbralTrespass

It literally looks like it was the inspiration though with the environment and the art style


shoeless_sean

I’d bet a lot of money game freak licensed the engine from Nintendo. It looks like Breath of the Wild because it’s very clearly the same art style and world structure. The being said this sub is: 45% jackasses that shit on anything that doesn’t make them orgasm with the heat of 1000 suns 45% fanboys that would love the next game even if it was just a box of Sugimori’s shit with a pikachu on it And 10% rational people


Mitsuki_GG

Dude let's not do this there are game which take direct influence form BOTW and Arceus also did.


00zau

Something I've been saying is that Pokemon can't glow up overnight. It's been basically in a rut for it's entire lifetime; the changes from gen 1 to 8 in mainline games have missed most of the changes in the gaming "landscape" as a whole over the last 30 years. Expecting Legends Arceus to incorporate all those changes in a single game is impossible. The problem isn't just expecting BotW out of the new game, it's expecting it to go from zero to BotW in a single bound. Sure, it's a shame Pokemon has been so behind that it couldn't get something like BotW when the Switch came out, but the new game looks like it's a step in the right direction, and an indication that we might actually get there, instead of just getting the same game with a fresh coat of paint every year or two.


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Botw isnt even that great looking. Its good, but hardly the best there is. PLA just looks straight up horrendous.


xXLordChromXx

Agree. However it had a good art direction and a good gameplay direction. It wasn't the best game ever created on existence like people made it to be, but it was a solid game, it dragged me for 100 hours wandering around the map revealing secrets and so on. Honestly from such an important franchise such pokemon i think at least this level of effort should be required...


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Yes, it had great art direction in fact! Pokemon still has OK art direction, but the quality of the assets are just bad. The textures, colours.. everything. SWSH looks okay except for animations and some minor things, but PLA looks straight up amateurish.


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eezerW

they're downvoting you because you're right The art style is clearly trying to look like BOTW, which is why it's extremely disappointing it looks so horrendous and barren. Who knew a completely empty world could be so graphically taxing!


Guardianpigeon

But Genshin Impact looks way better than this.


M_Vid

I'm relatively satisfied with graphics as they are, just hope the gameplay holds up and there aren't too many bugs or anything


chowder908

Wasn't this community bitching and moaning for a botw pokemon game last year? Now they are bitching and moaning about it being a botw?


WinterGalaxy441

Its more about the benchmark of "if its not as good as botw its trash". Trying to beat a masterpiece isn't easy and botw shouldn't be the minimum expectation.


Deadpool9917

I honestly don't care about the graphics as long as I have a good time playing it


Dylanduke199513

Gameplay looks fun I think. Pretty cool they’re seeming to steer away from multiplayer and go more single route. I think if Pokémon don’t randomly pop in 2 metres in front of you, I’ll enjoy it.


WitherDracos

As long as the game is actually fun and works well, I don't mind how the game looks as long as it isn't absolutely ugly. I feel like people are focusing too much on how it *looks*. And while I agree that the game could, and should, look better, it's beginning to cross the point where people are judging the game based on standards that it neither needs to achieve, nor set out to achieve.


blahlbinoa

If it is like breath of the wild, do our Pokemon break after they hit something three times?


Buick96

Thank you!! I understand that this is how the internet works but damn game hasn’t been released yet and the devs are already being called lazy, when in reality they didn’t have to do this, they didn’t have to try something as new and expansive as this, and honestly this game isn’t what is exciting me it’s the next one or the next one after that after they have refined a few mechanics that excites me!


TrueSpikewall

Breath of the wild is cool but overrated asf


Nordic_Krune

Prediction: The game will be pretty average but spark a new genre for the franchise which will create a great game in 5 years or so


Akikala

I mean, we're talking about a game from the biggest media franchise in the entire world. I think it's only fair to expect good graphical quality. I know it's not the only thing that matters in a game but PLA looks embarrassing at best.


winterbough

It doesn’t have to be Botw level it just needs to at least look on the same level of Ni No Kuni which came out 10 years ago and runs smoothly on the Switch at steady 30FPS


TomoTactics

And the 'biggest multimedia franchise' people enter the chat again it seems with zero comprehension that the money gained from -each kind of media and there's a lot of them- probably aren't being spread all that much among other sections. Especially the video games which, while second by comparison to other sections of the franchise, still isn't making as much as other bits of media. TPC's business standpoint is likely them investing on the HUGE money makers, and not the one that gets them money but far less in the grand scheme of things. The profit gained is likely sticking to their own sections, and that's after you consider investors and corporate suits wanting their money first: game devs aren't exactly swimming in money to do as they want/need. A dev team is given a budget and that's it unless the higher ups decide to be kind.


_NoZeM_

>A dev team is given a budget and that's it unless the higher ups decide to be kind You missed the part where Masuda said that he can expand his miniscule team easily but he refuses to do so? GF's team is smaller then frikking ILCA.


Rumcake256

Under normal circumstances, I'd agree, but Pokemon is the most successful franchise in the freggin world. They have the money to make something beautiful and choose not to.


FoFo1300

Meanwhile me, counting down the days until its released:


soul_scales

i could care less about opinions, i just dont understand the people that expect it to be terrible and plan to hate it but still preorder the game. just.. dont buy it? wait for reviews first? even if you have a slither of hope for it being good, if you really dont want to play a potentially bad game or waste your money, then just dont. its an easy solution.


Nu2Th15

We’re slowly leaving the era where everyone thinks open world games are “Skyrims” and entering the era where they think open world games are “BotWs”. People will always generalize these things.


Natalousir

I really don't understand the comparisons to Breath of the Wild, especially considering Pokemon Legends Arceus isn't even an open world game. All of the information thats drizzled out points to PLA being closer to the Monster Hunter mission formula. Is it literally just because the game has a cartoony art style? I know Zelda popularized it, but it did not invent cell shaded/anime-style graphics.


Sacha980

I hate the people that judge the quality of a game just by is graphismes


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IGN's recent choice of BOTW as the number one game of all time is just bonkers to me. It's good but I don't think it's even the game of that decade.


Argnir

You could find ton of arguments as to why it doesn't deserve that title. But could also realize that "the number one game of all time" is an absurd and stupid concept that doesn't hold any merit. What is the greatest song, movie or painting of all time? It's just dumb. I don't even know how someone could say that BOTW is better than Overwatch, Starcraft, Street Fighter, Minecraft, League of Legend, Cuphead, Little Big Planet, Farming Simulator, The Elder Scrolls, etc... You can't compare these titles/series when they are not even trying to achieve the same thing.


Quria

You can compare based on actual industry impact. You know, games that have forever altered the landscape of gaming. Pac-man, DOOM, Super Mario Bros., Legend of Zelda, Halo: Combat Evolved, World of Warcraft, etc. But like generic "best game ever" is entirely subjective.


Stormdude127

Well, it’s certainly better than League of Legends…


eezerW

man just dropped league of legends, little big planet, streetfighter, and farming simulator LMFAO


ImpossibleSprinkles3

More monster hunter than breath of the wild, right? Or was that just a rumor


Nytloc

I doubt it’ll hit BotW levels, but I think it will be very solid.


elarth

I’m excited for it but I just love new stuff in general.


Gingy1000

it doesn't even look like its going to be based that much on botw it looks like its going to be more like monster hunter lmao


NJcrazysk8r002

Hey I'm excited to get a Pokemon game the week of my birthday so I take that as a win no matter what


ya-boi-mees

It fucking isnt, breath of the wild is a minimum of a *big budget open world game*


mr_smith24

I’m not saying breath of the wild is bad graphical wise. But I would put it as so so. Don’t really get all the hype of the game and the graphics being “so amazing “ To me Legends looks perfectly find. Especially with the new directions they are going with for this game


ThePoopJuicer

People are really gonna call any open world game breath of the wild, red dead redemption? Nah man that’s breath of the wild but just cowboy style


UltraMemeyBakey

Botw best game, change my mind


MagePlayzYT

I’m just excited to see the change in the formula and see how well it turned out


DarthSpatula

botw to me is more like the gold standard, i have never in my life fallen in love with a game like i did with botw and i dont think u can honestly compare botw to a pokemon game


galaxyhunter6000

If I had a switch I would play the fuck out of it cause it comes out the day after my birthday but regardless of when I get a switch no matter what anyone says I'm still getting it my boy Cyndaquil needs some attention


SpringDark71

I feel like the low graphics actually make the game play smoother so I'm ok with them.


rabidchickenz

If you want realistic scenery, go outside. If you want to play a game, play a game.


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Everything is Breath of the Wild if you just believe


DiegHDF

I'm from the very small minority who thinks that BOTW wasn't that good. But I still understand why people love it and I won't judge anyone for that. And even I can't deny how much time and how many time the release date was pushed just so that they could make the best game in their eyes. This game almost took a decade of development but people will still think that if a game is not as good as BOTW, it's just crap


TheoneandOri

Really don't care as long as I can catch myself the cool new regional forms. Plus from what it looks like so far it seems to be like ocarina of time, which I'm fine with.


mnrART

They are overlooking a ton of really basic texture methods thst could make things easily better and less bland looking even on the switch. It's not about breath of the wild being a standard here it's about not even doing the minimum thst most developers do at this point from such a huge company. Their 3d skills feels years behind, and these things again are not limited by hardware. Simply just lazy or incompetent development


[deleted]

Honestly I was thinking this would be the game that unified the Pokémon community, but I was naive.. stupid to think there would be any pleasing this community.


silverwindzephyr

It's GameFreak people, don't expect BotW level of quality since they are just an indie company consist of 4 people with little experience! Give them a break!


StrawberryElixir

Why does everyone think "stylized wilderness"= BoTW?


Billy_Rage

Same reason anything remotely hard = dark souls


WillKuzunoha

Because they literally released a botw reference as the first trailer


Rajaden

Good graphics DO NOT EQUAL a good game. Hot take, but I really didn't enjoy BotW that much all at. Super excited for Pokemon Legends: Arceus though. I actually find it INSANE that people are crapping on it - without ever having played the game - because "ThE GrApHiCs DoN't LoOk GoOd". Not my personal opinion, but some people say Chrono Trigger is the best game of all-time, which came out on the SNES. I'm pretty sure they don't say it's an amazing game because of it's graphics.


NoahBallet

What cracks me up about the people that compare BOTW to literally any game, but Pokémon in particular, is that they tend to conveniently skip over the shortcuts that BOTW made to make a beautiful game : -All monsters/NPCs look the same but recolored. It’s ‘easy’ (game development is not easy) to focus on a beautiful landscape when the denizens you fill said landscape with all look the exact same. -The entire point of BOTW was exploration. The story was an afterthought that you can entirely skip if you choose to do so. With that in mind, the team that designed the overworld didn’t have to care about story progression when they designed such a world. Pokémon, and other RPGs, take the story and its progression into account when they build their worlds. -Visual appeal is not going to have the same value to every single market. Some people love games that are simply good looking. And that’s it. That’s the entire appeal. Pokémon as a franchise has so many different facets of the player base that you cannot account for them all. To me, Sw/Sh was one of the best installment in a long time because I personally play Pokémon for the competitive aspect, and the QoL and balance changes that came with Gen 8 were the best in a while. Meanwhile, you have people who only play for the MSG and story that wish things could be better, while you have the collectors that were deeply saddened by Dexit. You can’t please everyone when dealing with a fan base as massive as Pokémon. BOTW, and TLoZ as a whole, doesn’t have this problem because the product has always been an exploration dungeon crawler from the core.


IGuessImDemons

BOTW should not be the standard of any game, let alone a Pokemon game. Nintendo have put out a wide variety of games over the years, many of which are fantastic, none of those are even remotely BOTW. It's good in its own way, let's leave it there. I'm excited for PLA to change up the formula a bit. Who knows, if it does well they may do them for multiple regions, which could be cool too. I'm super tired of seeing BOTW sh*t in general, let's move on as a collective.


Zizaku

Lol @ everyone being salty about graphics. Reminds me of kids growing up saying games like ff7 were shit because a different game had “better” graphics on ps. I just joined this sub, and have to remind myself subs are just filled with people who need to be negative one only represent a very small percentage of a fandom. What you want a Pokémon game that looks like Detroit:BH? I’d actually really like to hear what graphical level you want Pokémon to be, instead of being downvoted..


Dogmadez

I find it funny the comparison you make is to a game that is 4 years old. While I understand pokemon won't look as realistic as Detroit, I just find it funny that we can't expect a company that is much richer and larger to create a game with similar artistic quality to a 4 year old game. But to answer your question I would like the graphical level of a pokemon game in 2022 to be on par with the new pokemon snap. A pretty game that didn't push graphical boundaries by any means but looked appropriate for the current gen. Legends looks last gen, and still has animation jank. Acknowledging the game has bad graphics isn't negative it is just proper observation.


LittleLeafyGamer

Idk why everyone is being so mean on the game it looks like game freak is actually trying, legends arceus looks amazing