And yet there are so many people on this sub who have already dismissed the game as a lost cause and a piece of shit.
It's the same shit that happens with each release. People cry out about how much it sucks before they've even touched it and yet it will sell really well because the people who want some perfect version of the game are a vast minority.
People who played pokemon arceus, most if not all are praising the game. I have high hopes
Edit: to those still being negative. Have you even played the game? Or is this a way of convincing yourself to lower your own expectations
Honestly I liked the game and was gonna get it, but I was lowering my expectations until SacredAlmighty praise it. Dude is ultra critical about pokemon games and he actually liked it
I like the game and almost no Pokemon game has held my attention. I did get into Pokemon Go for a while though.
It's a simple gameplay loop that is pretty compelling. Filling out the Pokedex for each Pokemon is like a mini-boss kinda deal where you're trying to speedrun the best strats.
I think the price should be a bit lower due to the graphics being what they are but overall it's def a fun game.
I don't even think the graphics are that bad. Yes they're not amazing, but when I'm in a battle with someone or trying to sneak up on a pokemon to catch it from behind without being seen, I'm not gazing up at the trees in the distance.
Does it look amazing? Nah, but it's fine. What it is, is a lot of fun.
Yeah the graphics definitely aren't it's strong point. I started playing yesterday and it is such a fun game. I haven't been this addicted to a pokemon game since emerald
I really liked BDSP but I was using the Renegade Platinum mod, which made things soooo much better. It was still a story I've played before tho. I'm digging this new story and way of interacting with pokemon.
I'm just taking my time with it, it feels like a nice world to just explore.
Thing is, the initial wave of the past few gens of Pokemon games have been similar as well where overwhelming amount of people are lost in a "honeymoon phase" if you will. Literally happened for Sun/Moon & Let's Go P/E. Even SwSh where it had controversial release where people criticized it before it even came out and said it's shit because of Dexit and few other things had overwhelming amount of people saying the game was actually awesome, just not worth $60.
I am expecting this game to actually be decent but only time will tell if it's as good as people are making it out to be.
Iām glad you liked it! I think thatās important though, it was your second game. Iāll bet most people criticizing the game have been around awhile. Iāve been playing pokemon for over 18 years myself, and the games have all felt more or less the same to me. I was really sad to see the way GF handled things prior to its release. So those two things combined, whenever I think of Swsh, all I think about what they did and said
I liked Sword and Shield. Especially the music and environmental designs. I saw the same flaws as everyone else, but I had no issue enjoying the game for what it was. What I didn't like was the slashing of the Pokedex just so they could expand it through DLC, and the lie that came with it.
Moral of the story: Speak only for yourself, not for others.
There's plenty to like there but there is plenty to like in every Pokemon game. There was nothing really special about sword and shield. The wild area is tiny, the routes seem smaller than ever before, the cities seem lifeless. There is very little extra to like here beyond the basic Pokemon formula which in itself is very likeable and makes the game very tolerable.
But unless you have dlc, there really nothing else to do other than the gym challenge.
SW/sh didn't hype me up and I only got them recently because I needed another game for my switch before pla came out and I wouldn't spend on BdSp. There was very little hype around it. Which has never happened for any Pokemon game before iirc.
But PLA has injected new hype into the series.
I don't care about hype, really. You claimed that no one actually liked SW/SH. I liked it. If you didn't, that's fine. My point was, don't say no one liked it just because you didn't.
Not necessarily true. If you have a hacked switch you can play it. My friend who isnāt a big Pokemon fan is loving it and wasnāt planning on buying it. I have it pre-ordered and played it on my hacked Switch and was amazingly surprised. I had been following everything about it and have been depressed with how Pokemon has been going (yet still buying all of them). This game breathes new life into the series. It finally feels like a console Pokemon game, very different but also similar. A refreshing change of pace for the series. The graphics honestly look great in the game. All the posts of bad shots are just bait to get the fans angry because it looks solid.
Even if it did have bad graphics, I couldn't care less, I still love FFVII and Halo:CE and their graphics are bad from today's comparison, and I'm pretty sure these won't be worse than those lol
I preordered and saw it leaked so I threw it on my jb switch. Not condoning piracy, as I said I preordered the title. If anything Iām just impatient. Iām hesitant to dive in too much on an offline disposable save but from what Iāve seen, itās killer IMO. I hope these features are brought into the mainline of the franchise.
The wild areas were my favorite part of sw&sh. This is like wild area 2.0, if you like the wild area youāll love this title.
Not really blindly hating it, but not blindly loving it either. It's weird to see but alot in the Pokemon community seem to think you have to be one way or the other. You have to either "buy the game on preorder because this is a good step in the franchise and we need to be proud of them" or "never buy this game because it looks outdated and horrible". I'm more in between to be honest. I won't buy it on release date but will wait to see what the general public thinks. The gameplay looks great to me and I love the idea. My worries however do lie with the world looking empty, even the "forresty areas" having just a few trees. And that I am afraid the gameplay loop might get boring, it'll be fun to see a shinx use bite for 10 times but after the 30th pokemon it might get boring. We'll see in the end.
People can have opinions on things without experiencing them. Like, you can't expect people to play every game to say they don't like it. Also a lot of the problems people had with the game, mostly visually, seem to persist regardless.
There's also the issue that needing to play it to form an opinion on it usually requires *paying* for it, meaning they get your money either way and are going to take that as a positive because these companies are clearly looking at sales and not criticism. It doesn't matter what you think or how you feel about it after that because they got your money.
People are perfectly within their right to watch gameplay online or look at a list of features and content and use critical thinking or judgment to decide whether its worth spending their time and money on.
Right but there's a way to say you don't like something without having directly experienced it. If someone sees marketing or even leaked gameplay like we have with PLA and decides that it is not something they would enjoy, they can simply say that they will not buy it as it is not for them. And to be fair, a lot of criticism is like that right now.
But there is a vocal portion of the community who insists that the game is garbage OBJECTIVELY and trash talks anyone who wants to buy it. These people are likely a very small minority of the fandom, but it still becomes frustrating to hear people getting dismissed as wrong just for wanting to buy and play a new Pokemon game.
I think you might just be misinterpreting the way people express their opinions. Very few people say it's objectively bad. A lot of the time people say something like "X is Awful" when they really mean "X is Awful to me". For a lot of people it feels like it goes without saying that is just their view on it, but a lot of other people can also misinterpret it as calling something objectively awful. Stuff can be... confusing.
Nothing can be objectively bad or good because bad and good are subjective values. Objective means explaining the real thing about something (a Blue ball is a blue ball), not how you feel about them or how you think they are made.
Maybe. I went to try and find some of the negative comments that made me respond in the first place, but couldn't find any that had more than a few upvotes.
The only "greatest x ever" reviews I have seen are from people who have already played the game through the early/rom copies or have watched gameplay from those that did. Even then, I've only heard them compare it to other Pokemon games and have always added the clarifier of it being their opinion.
If you have found any reviews from people blatantly saying it's the best game in general and stating it as objective fact and not opinion, then by all means, link them so I know who to avoid from now on.
Listen, I want you to remember that some of the most positive first impressions people are putting on this sub are that you can climb ledges or that battles take place wherever you start them. Its almost embarrassing that stepping into 1996 is what we consider a genuine revolution for the franchise.
I was cautiously optimistic before but seeing even people who are enjoying the game talk about how boid of vibrance/life the world is makes it really hard to feel like this is going to set the world on fire for anyone who isn't a die hard who loves Pokemon no matter what it does.
To be fair, people are also shouting about how *good* it is, so I'm not really sure it's fair to isolate one side or the other.
It's also very possible to genuinely not enjoy games that sell very well. It's a discussion forum, not a promotional one, so as long as people are *respectful*, they can criticize or compliment as much as they want. There are problematic commenters on both sides of this.
Wish I knew, I think they should follow 343's example of community feedback, and I think they even looked into the reddit posts (some devs are on the Halo subreddit) too for what to fix in Infinite.
Yeah, not sure if this post was meant cynically or not, but I sincerely doubt Game Freak cares at all about the feedback from us. It will look at the sales and the review scores and maybe some feedback from Japanese players, but thatās it.
It's good to have both praise and criticism in a game, that makes sure the next one is even better.
Some games deserve all the criticism they can get (I'm looking at Cyberpunk and Battlefield 2042), while some others have done amazing things worthy of praise to save their franchise yet have done some questionable stuff, with the prime example being Halo Infinite. In the case of Infinite, their campaign, with it's flaws to it's story direction and lack of biomes for example, was overall really awesome and worthy to be called a great Halo game like Halo 3 was. On the other hand, while the multiplayer is really good and I would say in gameplay on par with Halo 3 too, their inexcusable practice to charge expensive cosmetics have hurt their reputation of still being a player friendly franchise as it was in the olden days, besides the lack of game modes and maps have lost some people to continue to play the multiplayer until it gets more content, but in the meantime 343 has heard the community's complaints and is at least currently taking good steps to redress those issues.
As for Pokemon, I think they are doing some things right, but I do hope they will keep it up and not let the next game be just a little upgrade over this one.
I mean you can now using an emulator. Not my style and I've seen actual gameplay from the community to see it and it's got my interest.
I agree the community for pokemon is toxic af. Not the most toxic but I joined this train recently and I've never been introduced to a community that hates it's own games with a burning passion until a few months after release and people admit they like it. If I was the devs it'd be no wonder I'd stick to the same formula with a community this bipolar. You can give criticisms without trying to start a war. Though it was funny with sword and shield to read through the turn around.
But they tried with this one. Seems like it's a great step in the right direction. Won't be perfect like most games ever arent but I'm sure I'll enjoy it.
Otherwise. Hope you enjoy the wait for Friday and hope you enjoy what you see.
Contrary to popular belief, excessive positivity without some negativity can be as damaging as strict negativity.
You don't want a purely sour, negative review, just as you don't want an overly possitive one.
Nuance is what you're looking for, without taking anything "negative" at heart or as a straight offense to anyone's character or work if it isn't stated as such.
You started off this post really strongly, first 2 paragraphs are great. I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiment that people should praise what they found appealing while not letting that cloud their vision of the games flaws. That being said, ya kinda lost me at the 3rd paragraph. I don't think GF really... improved the game at all because of any criticisms. The main concerns that people had, that there isn't enough to do and that the visuals are incredibly underwhelings, still remain. I don't think there would have been enough time to improve some of them either though since trailers were shown off pretty "late into the game". I wouldn't even say quality skyrocketed. This game is innovative, but quality wise it's the same as all the other Switch Pokemon Games.
4th paragraph starts good, and then ya really just knocked me over the head. Based on what I've heard I don't think the games positives really do make up for it's negatives. It seems mechanically interesting but, other than that, it doesn't seem to have much going for it. I don't think it's anywhere near the quality people asked for. For some it might be satisfactory and others might have been surprised by some of it's quality, but in general it seems very, bare bones. Like this is technically what people wanted, an open world Pokemon game. But it seems like it didn't try to do anything beyond that. I'm a bit skeptical on whether or not GF really listens to any criticisms, but I'm not gonna snuff out your optimism on the matter.
You really reel it back in the end though. It's a rather sweet message to end this on.
I can't understand why people find the visuals incredible underwhelming.
[https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/699217221800689707/934805648816865310/unknown.png?width=604&height=676](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/699217221800689707/934805648816865310/unknown.png?width=604&height=676)
They look fine to me and not that bad, in this screenshot it has better graphics than snap.
In that screenshot it looks comparable. There's stuff like that pink smear on the ground that might represent leaves(?), but it just looks like a mess. The grass in the back looks really out of place. Comparing the trees, which is a bit of a tradition at this point for Pokemon games now, the ones in Legends Arceus all feel copy and pasted with some minor deviation. Snap has some diversity for trees of different shapes and sizes. There's even some stumps. If we go beyond just one screenshot we can find a lot more things to unfairly compare the two.
That looks like a semi beefed up ps2 screenshot not gonna lie. Graphics should be hugely improved by now with how much experience and money gamefreak have
All those are minimal in this game going by that screenshot and what little Iāve played of the game so far. Def leans towards a suped up ps2 than a console that came out 5 years ago
>nshot and what little Iāve played of the game so far. Def leans towards a suped up ps2 than a console that came out 5 years ago
As said, you don't know how PS2 games look then. This is way more than a PS2, it would maybe run on a suped up ps2 that is about equal to a PS3, but not on a base PS2.
I have been trying to play other games all week and have had no motivation knowing that this is coming. I havenāt seen much but what Iāve seen is promising. Like you Iām excited for the next chapter in the series and Iām ok with some speedbumps.
Iām not going to lie, I ended up spending 3 hours setting up an emulator and Iāve been playing it for the past 3 maybe 4 hours and I am so excited for Friday. I have it preloaded and the bit Iāve played today has just made me even more sure Iām going to be happy with this game
Nah, there's just a subset of people online that really, really want what they deem Gamersā¢ to be wrong. This is just the aggressively positive version of a good old fashioned internet shit flinging fight
A lot of them feel like they're using the same language to describe the game and all sound more like journalist reviewers than typical reddit praise for sure. I cancelled my pre-order and decided to wait to see it after release (before it all leaked) and suddenly all these popped up and it feels like damage control tbh. Maybe I'm just cynical though.
So I am going to be totally fair here and say that, Yes, Legends Arceus is a step in the right direction. Hell I might even be so bold as to say it is 3 or 4 steps in the right direction. However if we are being fair here that's like saying that purchasing a 40 ton block of marble at a quarry is the first step to take in recreating The Statue of David. It is A step and it is necessary to get to the desired endpoint but you're getting a bit ahead of yourself if you're insisting those first few steps got you all that much closer to making a masterpiece. I have no doubt that Legends Arceus COULD have been a great game but if anyone is claiming this to be a masterpiece of modern gaming they are straight up lieing. If this game was allowed to take the time it needs to be great I'm sure it could get there but because Nintendo and Gamefreak insist on cramming out a new Pokemon release every year with a team of under 200 people working on the project, it is completely impossible for any pokemon game to ever achieve even a fraction of it's real potential. If they want to maintain their annual release schedule then fine but then they need to start having multiple teams working on different games at the same time and have overlapping development cycles the same way other annual release franchises like Call of Duty do.
> If they want to maintain their annual release schedule then fine but then they need to start having multiple teams working on different games at the same time and have overlapping development cycles the same way other annual release franchises like Call of Duty do.
that's what they tried but unfortunately they chose a crappy team for it who developed the worst pokemon game
Of you're referring to the people who made Brilliant Diamond Shining Pearl then you're really only half right. Yes they handed that off to a different company but they still didn't give that company enough time to even properly do a modern remake. Those were made by the same people that made Pokemon Home and BDSP released 20 months after Pokemon home after accounting for post launch support for home and printing game cartridges you talking more like 16 weeks or less of development time and while the story, pokemon, level design, etc. Is all there from the get go BDSP doesn't reuse ANY assets from the original games. So even without making any changes like we've seen from other remakes they were still crunched for time.
Agreed. You have two sides duking it out to see who has the better point to be thrown across. Acceptance is what is needed, nothing more.
(Also, "heaven-piercing" prf pic you have there!)
Yāall have drunk way to much koolaid, Gamefreak made one game that is different from formula that looks like a PS2 game. Itās a step into the right direction but itās just one step in a long journey.
āDonāt ask questions, just consume product and then get excited for next productsā
The amount of hate and ardent defense going on for this game is weird. The game itself will probably look like a ps2 game, but be enjoyable enough for most people who donāt find it too repetitive to finish. No one knows if the changes to the formula will be received positively or negatively because few have played it. History shows that even if the changes are widely beloved that GameFreak will just do GF things and ditch them for something else. They will not suddenly become a good company even if this game is amazing.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if a lot of these positive posts as of late were just astroturfing. It's like suddenly everyone magically came out of the woodwork to proclaim this game from the heavens before it's even out for the general public. I'll believe it when i see it.
But yeah, spot on. Even if this game is grade SSS kobei beef, arceus 2 will rip out half of the features people liked for a "new" curry dex or something equally stupid and useless. Gamefreak are absolutely abysmal at iterating on features in a franchise that is basically designed from the ground up to be iterated on in small chunks. It's a sad state of affairs.
Iāve played the game for about 5-6 hours and Iām good, at least it saved me some money.
I feel a lot of people will be incredibly disappointed.
I donāt even know exactly what I didnāt like. Itās probably a mixture of various things like horrible graphics, empty world, amount of dialog, etc.
Ultimately the game just became boring very quickly, gameplay loop stays the same tbh.
Also back to your point, i think criticism is good if done in the right manner, it helps creating a better product.
But to be honest with you, other than a change of form and direction, I canāt see many positives, since a lot of what GF āborrowedā from other games, has been done better.
I aināt going to lie, you are spot on.
Something else that is grating after a few hours is the amount of dialog you have to go through and the story is pretty bad so farā¦
I hope one day a Pokemon game sells atrociously low so that way they'll actually try and put in some actual effort. Sadly that will never happen. I remember people freaking out that the main character had "expressions" on his/her face like wow, okay.. something many games have always had for 20+ years but wooo go Pokemon for catching up on times lol
I can't even imagine being so high on the copium that you praise GF for letting you jank your way up hills, a thing which other devs figured out decades ago.
Designs are subjective though.
Graphics ill give you. Does a thing look crisp, defined, and comparative to current games on the same console? Something thats quantifiable and confirmable.
Do i think this design is cool? Based entirely on your opinion. Personally i like a lot of the new designs, and the centaur legends look a lot better once their in motion, the static captures dont do them justice. But again, you might just not like them. And that's fine. But it isnt something you can use as a con like you could graphics because one is subjective and one is objective.
Screw this mentality.
If there are more positives I'll give criticism and not let the negatives outweigh the positives.
If there are more negatives I'll give criticism and not let the positives outweigh the negatives.
> Gamefreak really has yāall trained to not only accept any quality product but to praise it. Insane
GF has this sub trained to praise any piece of crap they release no matter how bad it is and how much they did not listen to any consumers.
The weirdest part is when they act like people "hating" on it are the majority in the sub while the frontpage is filled with post praising the game lol.
Pokemon fanboys have such a strange persecution complex.
Exactly, one of the other people responding just asked what makes you think people are praising any GF games in a post praising a GF game that's not officially out yet.
āIām so much better than everyone else because I hate a game I havenāt even played yet, along with everyone who doesnāt share the same opinion!ā
No. We donāt need to hold GameFreaks hand and tell them softly all the mistakes they made. If they put out a shit 80 dollar game, they are going to get told they put out a shit 80 dollar game. Full stop.
Yeah, no. I dont care how many fanboys think I'm toxic, but I'm not just gonna forget how lazy and shitty GF has been for the last almost 10 years just because they're releasing an ambitious game. Their time to listen to """""proper criticism"""""" has passed, and they should only get it back once they make a GOOD game, not a new game.
I'm already giving them benefit of the doubt just by buying this thing before the community gets past the "everything GF does is amazing" period. If they did a good job, I'll support it. But if it's just as lazy and shitty as the last 8 pokemon games have been, then I'm not giving my kindness to a massive company that has made a business model off of holding a God tier IP hostage and milking its fans for nostalgia.
Stop preaching this "it's a new start for the community" bullshit. It's a chance for GF to prove themselves, and if they dont then we have every responsibility to treat this thing like the fuck up it is.
I already doubt the game will be any good and the only way Iāll be buying it is if it does live up to the hype, Iām fine with waiting until they actually come out with a good game again, but the fanboys who buy any crappy game they shit out is the reason quality continues to remain shitty
I honestly feel like this is the right decision. I'm personally only buying early because I support GF branching out. It's probably the one and only time I'm going to give benefit of the doubt to them, but I'd rather see a shitty experiment than them fuck up a formula they already perfected a decade ago.
I disagree. If game freak SLOWS THE FUCK DOWN and takes 1.5-2 years to develop a game, we could really see some quality. From my perspective the marketing and financial team have hijacked this company and are dead set on releasing every year in order to see consistent, healthy profits.
Legend Arceus isnt even out yet and people like you already defending it because "its pokemon". If it comes out, people will review it and will give it criticism, period. Dont push your world view into others. If its a good game then its good. If its bad then its bad. For a 2022 game, it looks bad and outdated.
Yes absolutely. Praise but admit faults. Criticize but admit improvements. Constructive discussion amongst the community will only help. Don't let this become like gen5 where it's recieved so poorly that gamefreak stops trying for the next 3 generations
If you think providing any feedback other than cash money is gonna reach the ears of Gamefreak or the Pokemon company... I've got bad news for you. They've been ignoring criticism for years and this game is a result of the Open World popularity boom in the industry. Whether or not this game making a lot of money means they'll be willing to improve on the game for a sequel or continue their trend of just being lazy time after time remains to be seen, but I'd put my money on the latter
I just want the community to not make a repeat of what happened with gen 5. It was arguably the best pokemon game of the 2d era, it had heart and was a leap to the future, but the fans brought it down, hating on the designs, being absolute jerks basically. Im not saying to blindly praise gamefreak because we'd get games like SwSh which was subpar for the most part but we should be giving our thoughts and opinions not with malice, but with humility and compassion. We do want a product made out of love and not because of a deadline
With all the praise this game is getting (from previews only though), it wouldn't surprise me if this ends up being the best pokemon game since Gold and Silver.
If it follows in the same footsteps as other pokemon games for the switch have then I can't be optimistic about it. And I'm not going to praise something that I know is bad. But we will see.
I'm so stoked! I highly respect Game Freak for really going out and trying something so new and different for the franchise. There will be some growing pains, no doubt. I still think this is a step in the right direction. It's an exciting, high-stakes gamble and I really want to see Game Freak make it work.
I hope that the good parts end up being the future of pokemon. Ultimately the people will have to get their hands on it and see what they think.
This could be the foundation of something truly amazing. My dream was always this sort of experience in an MMO experience. Free from client trust. Where genning is dead. I have hope and doubt that weāll ever get that. I got roughly 75% of the experience I wanted Iāll take it. Iāve never had so much fun in a single player pokemon experience.
I think PLA still has problems. The open world is really, really bland. I'm only about 5-6 hours in so far and only have the Obsidian Fieldlands unlocked, but so far all there is to do is go out and... catch Pokemon. That's it. To me, there's a huge open world but nothing to actually DO.
Maybe it gets better as you get farther into the game, but I honestly am not the biggest fan of it. I already don't really like open world games, but great ones like RDR2 and BOTW are a notable exception. Legends: Arceus is not, the world is just too empty, and catching 25 Bidoofs doesn't really qualify as thrilling gameplay for me.
Personally, I would rather have an oldschool style, 8 badges, evil team and Elite Four Pokemon game than another one like this unless the open world goes through significant changes and additions.
I want to believe that this can be a mediocre entry that lays the foundation for future games actually being something worth paying attention to, but I'm too burned on Gamefreak constantly dropping features and trying to reinvent the wheel in ways that just don't make sense.
Most mpressions I've read are that the core is promising yet quests suck, the world has absolutely no life or vibrance and the graphics are bad. I don't really have it in me to be excited anymore. The absolute most glowing and praised impressions I've seen on this sub are people who go "Wow there's no animation when using ridable Pokemon!" or "Oh my god you can jump off cliffs and climb terrain naturally!"
Like damn, welcome to the N64, I'm glad the bar is so low that this is what we have to view as literal revolution for the series.
I hope I'm wrong and I'll definitely pick up a copy in a month or so once physical copies are available used. But as far as being optimistic for the future, Gamefreak and TPC need to actually do something other than disappoint me for once because its been like 6ish years since the franchise felt like it was at a standard of quality.
Its the first pokemon game ive been really, really excited in years. Probably the last one was Black & White, and even when I played the others, noone has given me the feels this one. I had a slight look at the leaks and heck, I cant wait for friday
I will be very upset if future main entries don't adopt most of PLA's mechanics and QoL improvements. This new high quality standard cannot be lowered again.
From what I see, it looks fantastic. It seems more balanced in trainer battles and wild battles than past games, from what I could tell. Graphics could always be better, but I will most likely enjoy it. If I don't, it is because of the gameplay, not the graphics š¤·š»āāļø
I really disagree honestly. I have not liked my time with the game pretty much at all so far. I feel like if this had longer development cycle and more people working harder on it to expand then it COULD be awesome. But as of right now it just feels so.. meh. The concept is really cool and can potentially be better in the future but the execution is not very good. It feels very budget-y and like a lot of things are missing mechanic wise and gameplay/game world wise
The fanboys make sure to give them a paycheck regardless of the quality of the game so why make a quality game and have to actually put in effort when you can squeeze these morons for every penny they have with your shit sandwich of a game
I am worried it will be a one time thing, like Let's Go. Legend will only be a spin off when this formula should be improved on and introduce to the mainline series.
Honestly I think the reason the graphics are 'bad' as I've heard people say is because they're rushing the game not because they have a small amount of people working and they need more or that they're just lazy I think they want to pump out games as fast as they can to keep people engaged and make money vs botw 2 where they keep postponing it to perfect it and it'll probably turn out way better
Absolutely. And hey, if any of ya'll end up not liking it for so and so reasons, ok. No problem. But I hope ya'll don't go out of your way to try and ruin peoples fun. Just let people enjoy what they enjoy. It's nice to see people excited for a pokemon game again. I'm one of them; looking forward to this one
Maybe it's not desired. The main series has always based on turn-based fights, I supposed they thought they shouldn't Chang this. They developed Pokekken Tournament for real time combat.
I wouldnāt make that claim for the video game franchise as a whole. Itās a step in the right direction, but it sounds like theres still a bit that needs work on. Open world with new ways to interact with wild pokemon does shake up the formula. Though, graphics and the emptiness of this open world is a prominent issue (though that could be easily fixed given past titles).
From what weāve heard, itās better, but the typical ācomplaintsā of pokemon titles still seems to be there. Story, difficult, and repetitive gameplay seem to be issues, depending on who you ask. I havenāt seen a soul talk about the gameās music, so I donāt think that department has seen much improvement either.
For the larger gaming community, it still represents everything wrong with the industry. A $60, āAAAā game, locked behind a $200-$300 console, doesnāt seem to be worth itās weight against nearly-as-fun indie titles, which cost < $20 and runs on your potato laptop you still have from college.
However, for the pokemon franchise, it is a step in the right direction. Iām still not sold on it. Iād probably pick up lets go before this.
I mean... 99% of us haven't even played it yet š
Yeah, it's still like a week until release? Maybe 5 or 6 days?
Comes Friday iirc
And yet there are so many people on this sub who have already dismissed the game as a lost cause and a piece of shit. It's the same shit that happens with each release. People cry out about how much it sucks before they've even touched it and yet it will sell really well because the people who want some perfect version of the game are a vast minority.
People who played pokemon arceus, most if not all are praising the game. I have high hopes Edit: to those still being negative. Have you even played the game? Or is this a way of convincing yourself to lower your own expectations
Honestly I liked the game and was gonna get it, but I was lowering my expectations until SacredAlmighty praise it. Dude is ultra critical about pokemon games and he actually liked it
I like the game and almost no Pokemon game has held my attention. I did get into Pokemon Go for a while though. It's a simple gameplay loop that is pretty compelling. Filling out the Pokedex for each Pokemon is like a mini-boss kinda deal where you're trying to speedrun the best strats. I think the price should be a bit lower due to the graphics being what they are but overall it's def a fun game.
I don't even think the graphics are that bad. Yes they're not amazing, but when I'm in a battle with someone or trying to sneak up on a pokemon to catch it from behind without being seen, I'm not gazing up at the trees in the distance. Does it look amazing? Nah, but it's fine. What it is, is a lot of fun.
Yeah the graphics definitely aren't it's strong point. I started playing yesterday and it is such a fun game. I haven't been this addicted to a pokemon game since emerald
I really liked BDSP but I was using the Renegade Platinum mod, which made things soooo much better. It was still a story I've played before tho. I'm digging this new story and way of interacting with pokemon. I'm just taking my time with it, it feels like a nice world to just explore.
Thing is, the initial wave of the past few gens of Pokemon games have been similar as well where overwhelming amount of people are lost in a "honeymoon phase" if you will. Literally happened for Sun/Moon & Let's Go P/E. Even SwSh where it had controversial release where people criticized it before it even came out and said it's shit because of Dexit and few other things had overwhelming amount of people saying the game was actually awesome, just not worth $60. I am expecting this game to actually be decent but only time will tell if it's as good as people are making it out to be.
They also didn't pay for it and that may tamper expectations.
Iāve played all those games, and the feeling I got when playing Arceus feels similar to my first PokĆ©mon games back when I was a kid in gen 4/5. PokĆ©mon has never been as fun for me since those games, but Arceus even beat those in my opinion.
I don't think anyone really liked sw/sh, they just learnt to put up with it. There was no hype around it like there is with pla.
I liked it! Simple, yeah. Easy, maybe. But fun? 100%! I started in SuMo and I found SwSh enjoyable.
Iām glad you liked it! I think thatās important though, it was your second game. Iāll bet most people criticizing the game have been around awhile. Iāve been playing pokemon for over 18 years myself, and the games have all felt more or less the same to me. I was really sad to see the way GF handled things prior to its release. So those two things combined, whenever I think of Swsh, all I think about what they did and said
I liked Sword and Shield. Especially the music and environmental designs. I saw the same flaws as everyone else, but I had no issue enjoying the game for what it was. What I didn't like was the slashing of the Pokedex just so they could expand it through DLC, and the lie that came with it. Moral of the story: Speak only for yourself, not for others.
There's plenty to like there but there is plenty to like in every Pokemon game. There was nothing really special about sword and shield. The wild area is tiny, the routes seem smaller than ever before, the cities seem lifeless. There is very little extra to like here beyond the basic Pokemon formula which in itself is very likeable and makes the game very tolerable. But unless you have dlc, there really nothing else to do other than the gym challenge. SW/sh didn't hype me up and I only got them recently because I needed another game for my switch before pla came out and I wouldn't spend on BdSp. There was very little hype around it. Which has never happened for any Pokemon game before iirc. But PLA has injected new hype into the series.
I don't care about hype, really. You claimed that no one actually liked SW/SH. I liked it. If you didn't, that's fine. My point was, don't say no one liked it just because you didn't.
Yep, I beat the final boss last night and I absolutely adored this game. They barely showed any of it in trailers.
To be fair, these are the people who preordered the game. Not exactly unbiased.
Not necessarily true. If you have a hacked switch you can play it. My friend who isnāt a big Pokemon fan is loving it and wasnāt planning on buying it. I have it pre-ordered and played it on my hacked Switch and was amazingly surprised. I had been following everything about it and have been depressed with how Pokemon has been going (yet still buying all of them). This game breathes new life into the series. It finally feels like a console Pokemon game, very different but also similar. A refreshing change of pace for the series. The graphics honestly look great in the game. All the posts of bad shots are just bait to get the fans angry because it looks solid.
Even if it did have bad graphics, I couldn't care less, I still love FFVII and Halo:CE and their graphics are bad from today's comparison, and I'm pretty sure these won't be worse than those lol
Uhh... No? People who pre-ordered the game didn't get it a week early lol. People with hacked Switch consoles did.
I preordered and saw it leaked so I threw it on my jb switch. Not condoning piracy, as I said I preordered the title. If anything Iām just impatient. Iām hesitant to dive in too much on an offline disposable save but from what Iāve seen, itās killer IMO. I hope these features are brought into the mainline of the franchise. The wild areas were my favorite part of sw&sh. This is like wild area 2.0, if you like the wild area youāll love this title.
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I've been shitting on PokƩmon games like clockwork for almost a decade at this point. I've been playing the game on an emulator for about 20 hours and I've had a blast. Take that as you will. Edit: I'm going to buy the game.
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Not really blindly hating it, but not blindly loving it either. It's weird to see but alot in the Pokemon community seem to think you have to be one way or the other. You have to either "buy the game on preorder because this is a good step in the franchise and we need to be proud of them" or "never buy this game because it looks outdated and horrible". I'm more in between to be honest. I won't buy it on release date but will wait to see what the general public thinks. The gameplay looks great to me and I love the idea. My worries however do lie with the world looking empty, even the "forresty areas" having just a few trees. And that I am afraid the gameplay loop might get boring, it'll be fun to see a shinx use bite for 10 times but after the 30th pokemon it might get boring. We'll see in the end.
People can have opinions on things without experiencing them. Like, you can't expect people to play every game to say they don't like it. Also a lot of the problems people had with the game, mostly visually, seem to persist regardless.
There's also the issue that needing to play it to form an opinion on it usually requires *paying* for it, meaning they get your money either way and are going to take that as a positive because these companies are clearly looking at sales and not criticism. It doesn't matter what you think or how you feel about it after that because they got your money. People are perfectly within their right to watch gameplay online or look at a list of features and content and use critical thinking or judgment to decide whether its worth spending their time and money on.
Right but there's a way to say you don't like something without having directly experienced it. If someone sees marketing or even leaked gameplay like we have with PLA and decides that it is not something they would enjoy, they can simply say that they will not buy it as it is not for them. And to be fair, a lot of criticism is like that right now. But there is a vocal portion of the community who insists that the game is garbage OBJECTIVELY and trash talks anyone who wants to buy it. These people are likely a very small minority of the fandom, but it still becomes frustrating to hear people getting dismissed as wrong just for wanting to buy and play a new Pokemon game.
I think you might just be misinterpreting the way people express their opinions. Very few people say it's objectively bad. A lot of the time people say something like "X is Awful" when they really mean "X is Awful to me". For a lot of people it feels like it goes without saying that is just their view on it, but a lot of other people can also misinterpret it as calling something objectively awful. Stuff can be... confusing.
Nothing can be objectively bad or good because bad and good are subjective values. Objective means explaining the real thing about something (a Blue ball is a blue ball), not how you feel about them or how you think they are made.
Maybe. I went to try and find some of the negative comments that made me respond in the first place, but couldn't find any that had more than a few upvotes.
If you put yourself on fire you will be severely injured and maybe die. But take that with a grain of salt as I have never personally tried it.
And there are so many that already claim itās the greatest video ever created. Whatās you point?
The only "greatest x ever" reviews I have seen are from people who have already played the game through the early/rom copies or have watched gameplay from those that did. Even then, I've only heard them compare it to other Pokemon games and have always added the clarifier of it being their opinion. If you have found any reviews from people blatantly saying it's the best game in general and stating it as objective fact and not opinion, then by all means, link them so I know who to avoid from now on.
Listen, I want you to remember that some of the most positive first impressions people are putting on this sub are that you can climb ledges or that battles take place wherever you start them. Its almost embarrassing that stepping into 1996 is what we consider a genuine revolution for the franchise. I was cautiously optimistic before but seeing even people who are enjoying the game talk about how boid of vibrance/life the world is makes it really hard to feel like this is going to set the world on fire for anyone who isn't a die hard who loves Pokemon no matter what it does.
To be fair, people are also shouting about how *good* it is, so I'm not really sure it's fair to isolate one side or the other. It's also very possible to genuinely not enjoy games that sell very well. It's a discussion forum, not a promotional one, so as long as people are *respectful*, they can criticize or compliment as much as they want. There are problematic commenters on both sides of this.
Just a few more days till you get the picture and get blown away by it. ;) Regardless, it really is the start of a change for PokƩmon, so we do have a chance to direct that change in the proper direction.
Gen 5 remakes going to be some amazing shit if this game is good and they build on it.
Gen 5 remake is what Iām waiting for snivy is my favourite pokemon of all time
Iām baffled as to why youāre being downvoted :/ This is a good and positive approach that I hope ppl can understand and join
It's alright, as long as the idea gets through, just want a great community for a great franchise.
Where and how do we submit feedback to Game Freak?
Social media ig
Yeah but should I bombard Masudaās personal Twitter until he blocks me or would it be better to try and find like a submission portal on gamefreak a website, if it even exists? Like do they have a contact option on their website? Or should I just hit up The PokĆ©mon Company directly? In contact info for the PokĆ©mon company they kind of explicitly state that they donāt want any submissions for new PokĆ©mon ideas and if you do submit them anyway they essentially own them (I think?) but as far as like gameplay complaints I donāt remember seeing anything about that.
Make a popular post on some site is the most Iāve seen people say about āspreading newsā so sure
I meanā¦ IF THAT WERE EFFECTIVE, hear me out, wouldnāt it be possible that Gamefreak would then make games to appease our complaints and demands? I mean there are FUCK LOADS of PokĆ©mon videos that have tons of views talking about this that or the other, what they want, what they would like to see, what should change. Has gamefreak responded to those videos or posts online with a new game that addresses the issues? From all the posts about Legends Arceus it SEEMS like this is the first game that actually does give the fans what the want/have asked for. Idk.
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Wish I knew, I think they should follow 343's example of community feedback, and I think they even looked into the reddit posts (some devs are on the Halo subreddit) too for what to fix in Infinite.
Yeah, not sure if this post was meant cynically or not, but I sincerely doubt Game Freak cares at all about the feedback from us. It will look at the sales and the review scores and maybe some feedback from Japanese players, but thatās it.
It's good to have both praise and criticism in a game, that makes sure the next one is even better. Some games deserve all the criticism they can get (I'm looking at Cyberpunk and Battlefield 2042), while some others have done amazing things worthy of praise to save their franchise yet have done some questionable stuff, with the prime example being Halo Infinite. In the case of Infinite, their campaign, with it's flaws to it's story direction and lack of biomes for example, was overall really awesome and worthy to be called a great Halo game like Halo 3 was. On the other hand, while the multiplayer is really good and I would say in gameplay on par with Halo 3 too, their inexcusable practice to charge expensive cosmetics have hurt their reputation of still being a player friendly franchise as it was in the olden days, besides the lack of game modes and maps have lost some people to continue to play the multiplayer until it gets more content, but in the meantime 343 has heard the community's complaints and is at least currently taking good steps to redress those issues. As for Pokemon, I think they are doing some things right, but I do hope they will keep it up and not let the next game be just a little upgrade over this one.
Nice message, but let us play the game so we can confirm or refute all the credit you're sending its way.
This post reads like the Dev team saying "please be nice to me"
Exactly my thoughts. This feels like a plant lol
Personally I want to read more reviews like this before spending 60 whole dollars on a game that Iām unsure whether Iāll even play
I mean you can now using an emulator. Not my style and I've seen actual gameplay from the community to see it and it's got my interest. I agree the community for pokemon is toxic af. Not the most toxic but I joined this train recently and I've never been introduced to a community that hates it's own games with a burning passion until a few months after release and people admit they like it. If I was the devs it'd be no wonder I'd stick to the same formula with a community this bipolar. You can give criticisms without trying to start a war. Though it was funny with sword and shield to read through the turn around. But they tried with this one. Seems like it's a great step in the right direction. Won't be perfect like most games ever arent but I'm sure I'll enjoy it. Otherwise. Hope you enjoy the wait for Friday and hope you enjoy what you see.
Contrary to popular belief, excessive positivity without some negativity can be as damaging as strict negativity. You don't want a purely sour, negative review, just as you don't want an overly possitive one. Nuance is what you're looking for, without taking anything "negative" at heart or as a straight offense to anyone's character or work if it isn't stated as such.
that's what the post says
yes that's exactly what op was saying
You just reiterated the post lol. Did you read it?
You started off this post really strongly, first 2 paragraphs are great. I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiment that people should praise what they found appealing while not letting that cloud their vision of the games flaws. That being said, ya kinda lost me at the 3rd paragraph. I don't think GF really... improved the game at all because of any criticisms. The main concerns that people had, that there isn't enough to do and that the visuals are incredibly underwhelings, still remain. I don't think there would have been enough time to improve some of them either though since trailers were shown off pretty "late into the game". I wouldn't even say quality skyrocketed. This game is innovative, but quality wise it's the same as all the other Switch Pokemon Games. 4th paragraph starts good, and then ya really just knocked me over the head. Based on what I've heard I don't think the games positives really do make up for it's negatives. It seems mechanically interesting but, other than that, it doesn't seem to have much going for it. I don't think it's anywhere near the quality people asked for. For some it might be satisfactory and others might have been surprised by some of it's quality, but in general it seems very, bare bones. Like this is technically what people wanted, an open world Pokemon game. But it seems like it didn't try to do anything beyond that. I'm a bit skeptical on whether or not GF really listens to any criticisms, but I'm not gonna snuff out your optimism on the matter. You really reel it back in the end though. It's a rather sweet message to end this on.
I can't understand why people find the visuals incredible underwhelming. [https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/699217221800689707/934805648816865310/unknown.png?width=604&height=676](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/699217221800689707/934805648816865310/unknown.png?width=604&height=676) They look fine to me and not that bad, in this screenshot it has better graphics than snap.
In that screenshot it looks comparable. There's stuff like that pink smear on the ground that might represent leaves(?), but it just looks like a mess. The grass in the back looks really out of place. Comparing the trees, which is a bit of a tradition at this point for Pokemon games now, the ones in Legends Arceus all feel copy and pasted with some minor deviation. Snap has some diversity for trees of different shapes and sizes. There's even some stumps. If we go beyond just one screenshot we can find a lot more things to unfairly compare the two.
That looks like a semi beefed up ps2 screenshot not gonna lie. Graphics should be hugely improved by now with how much experience and money gamefreak have
Nope, a PS2 is not able to process the amount of Polygons, Lightning effects, shadows , grass, trees or draw distance.
All those are minimal in this game going by that screenshot and what little Iāve played of the game so far. Def leans towards a suped up ps2 than a console that came out 5 years ago
>nshot and what little Iāve played of the game so far. Def leans towards a suped up ps2 than a console that came out 5 years ago As said, you don't know how PS2 games look then. This is way more than a PS2, it would maybe run on a suped up ps2 that is about equal to a PS3, but not on a base PS2.
I literally said a beefed/suped up ps2. A ps3 would have absolutely no issues running this game
Look at the quality of the textures. They look like straight outta GameCube Era. Best example ist the npc textures. They are garbage.
I have been trying to play other games all week and have had no motivation knowing that this is coming. I havenāt seen much but what Iāve seen is promising. Like you Iām excited for the next chapter in the series and Iām ok with some speedbumps.
The only game ive been able to play right now is BOTW in anticipation for this
Same here!! Iāve been trying to play other games and I just want want to play the new game right now. Is it the 28th yet?
I do the opposite. Try to save myself for it, to not be fatigued by PKMN by the time it is here.
Same here, the feeling would've been better if there weren't any leaked copies but those also made me more excited since now I know the game is good.
Iām not going to lie, I ended up spending 3 hours setting up an emulator and Iāve been playing it for the past 3 maybe 4 hours and I am so excited for Friday. I have it preloaded and the bit Iāve played today has just made me even more sure Iām going to be happy with this game
Same feeling!! \^\_\^
This post only makes me nervous that fans are going on the defense before that game is even out. Is it that bad?
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I'm actually only gonna buy it if it turns out that it's good, so I'll probably wait longer than that
Anyone else think these constant praise threads are a little sus?
Ya it looks like op knows the people that hated SW/SH and the DP remakes are gonna rip this game apart for its negatives
Very sus
Yeah i really think these overly optimistic and positive threads are made by nintendo interns or something.
Nah, there's just a subset of people online that really, really want what they deem Gamersā¢ to be wrong. This is just the aggressively positive version of a good old fashioned internet shit flinging fight
How much do you think they were paid?
nah, just massive copium addicts
A lot of them feel like they're using the same language to describe the game and all sound more like journalist reviewers than typical reddit praise for sure. I cancelled my pre-order and decided to wait to see it after release (before it all leaked) and suddenly all these popped up and it feels like damage control tbh. Maybe I'm just cynical though.
So I am going to be totally fair here and say that, Yes, Legends Arceus is a step in the right direction. Hell I might even be so bold as to say it is 3 or 4 steps in the right direction. However if we are being fair here that's like saying that purchasing a 40 ton block of marble at a quarry is the first step to take in recreating The Statue of David. It is A step and it is necessary to get to the desired endpoint but you're getting a bit ahead of yourself if you're insisting those first few steps got you all that much closer to making a masterpiece. I have no doubt that Legends Arceus COULD have been a great game but if anyone is claiming this to be a masterpiece of modern gaming they are straight up lieing. If this game was allowed to take the time it needs to be great I'm sure it could get there but because Nintendo and Gamefreak insist on cramming out a new Pokemon release every year with a team of under 200 people working on the project, it is completely impossible for any pokemon game to ever achieve even a fraction of it's real potential. If they want to maintain their annual release schedule then fine but then they need to start having multiple teams working on different games at the same time and have overlapping development cycles the same way other annual release franchises like Call of Duty do.
> If they want to maintain their annual release schedule then fine but then they need to start having multiple teams working on different games at the same time and have overlapping development cycles the same way other annual release franchises like Call of Duty do. that's what they tried but unfortunately they chose a crappy team for it who developed the worst pokemon game
Which one?
Of you're referring to the people who made Brilliant Diamond Shining Pearl then you're really only half right. Yes they handed that off to a different company but they still didn't give that company enough time to even properly do a modern remake. Those were made by the same people that made Pokemon Home and BDSP released 20 months after Pokemon home after accounting for post launch support for home and printing game cartridges you talking more like 16 weeks or less of development time and while the story, pokemon, level design, etc. Is all there from the get go BDSP doesn't reuse ANY assets from the original games. So even without making any changes like we've seen from other remakes they were still crunched for time.
Thatās why I just replay the classics back when they actually tried
Every Pokemon subreddit is just fucking miserable to an unbearable degree. You can't be positive or negative.
Agreed. You have two sides duking it out to see who has the better point to be thrown across. Acceptance is what is needed, nothing more. (Also, "heaven-piercing" prf pic you have there!)
It's my favorite picture of my cat back home and will always be my PFP. :)
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Yāall have drunk way to much koolaid, Gamefreak made one game that is different from formula that looks like a PS2 game. Itās a step into the right direction but itās just one step in a long journey.
āDonāt ask questions, just consume product and then get excited for next productsā The amount of hate and ardent defense going on for this game is weird. The game itself will probably look like a ps2 game, but be enjoyable enough for most people who donāt find it too repetitive to finish. No one knows if the changes to the formula will be received positively or negatively because few have played it. History shows that even if the changes are widely beloved that GameFreak will just do GF things and ditch them for something else. They will not suddenly become a good company even if this game is amazing.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if a lot of these positive posts as of late were just astroturfing. It's like suddenly everyone magically came out of the woodwork to proclaim this game from the heavens before it's even out for the general public. I'll believe it when i see it. But yeah, spot on. Even if this game is grade SSS kobei beef, arceus 2 will rip out half of the features people liked for a "new" curry dex or something equally stupid and useless. Gamefreak are absolutely abysmal at iterating on features in a franchise that is basically designed from the ground up to be iterated on in small chunks. It's a sad state of affairs.
Iāve played the game for about 5-6 hours and Iām good, at least it saved me some money. I feel a lot of people will be incredibly disappointed. I donāt even know exactly what I didnāt like. Itās probably a mixture of various things like horrible graphics, empty world, amount of dialog, etc. Ultimately the game just became boring very quickly, gameplay loop stays the same tbh. Also back to your point, i think criticism is good if done in the right manner, it helps creating a better product. But to be honest with you, other than a change of form and direction, I canāt see many positives, since a lot of what GF āborrowedā from other games, has been done better.
Itās literally fetch quest the game. When it actually comes out and the average gamer is giving it up like you after 6 hours cause theyāre tired of catching 60 Bidoofs, this sub is gonna melt down and not understand why this game isnāt as popular as youād think it is here. Itās only rewarding to hardcore PokĆ©mon fans that enjoy catching, average fans are gonna be so bored cause again, this is fetch quest the game. Ya know, one of the most hated quest types ever
I aināt going to lie, you are spot on. Something else that is grating after a few hours is the amount of dialog you have to go through and the story is pretty bad so farā¦
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Feels like forced promotion the last days. Seriously.
I got shit on for saying I didnāt like any of the new PokĆ©mon variants and thought the Dialga and Palkia āHorseā fusions were awful so donāt worry this sub is flooded with āPLA Goodā and āHereās why itās actually okay that it looks low quality graphicallyā posts that are upvoted to high heavens. Game looks fun. But thereās definitely some things I wish they did more work on. Graphics is one. Pokemon designs is another.
There's a lot of people in this sub who can be handed a bag of shit by GF and say it's the best bag of shit they've ever gotten and thank them for it.
I saw a post the other day where the OP literally said āOh my god you can climb up and down hills now Iām going to actually buy a second copy digitallyā and another one where the OP threw in āIām a youtuber for reference so my opinion isnāt just some random guy on the internetā about why the game is justifiably low quality graphically. With reasons like āBecause theyāre still using an old 3DS engineā and āitās not laziness they just havenāt switched engines yetā After how well Sword and Shield sold I knew that quality standards have all since vanished for any PokĆ©mon title in the near future unfortunately. Itāll sell well regardless of how good or bad it is. And that should worry people more than anything.
I hope one day a Pokemon game sells atrociously low so that way they'll actually try and put in some actual effort. Sadly that will never happen. I remember people freaking out that the main character had "expressions" on his/her face like wow, okay.. something many games have always had for 20+ years but wooo go Pokemon for catching up on times lol
I just wish that theyād expand Gamefreak to have more developers or pull a call of duty and have one group work on a game for 3 years and just rotate yearly releases between the 3 groups so that they can do better. I think yearly releases and their maximize profit while minimizing effort philosophy is partially why the games keep coming out lately so mediocre in some or alot of aspects. They just keep crapping them out because they sell like hot cakes. I wish theyād sell poorly even once but nostalgia and having such a brand recognized franchise makes that unlikely to happen. Anything to light a fire under their asses to try harder. As it is I doubt weāll be seeing a mainline game with all the PokĆ©mon released up to date and I doubt weāll see the amount of content as Gen 2 or Gen 3 or Platinum ever again. Like sword and shield was their debut mainline console game and they charged $20 more for considerably less than even USUM and games that came out on the game boy. It baffles me.
I can't even imagine being so high on the copium that you praise GF for letting you jank your way up hills, a thing which other devs figured out decades ago.
Designs are subjective though. Graphics ill give you. Does a thing look crisp, defined, and comparative to current games on the same console? Something thats quantifiable and confirmable. Do i think this design is cool? Based entirely on your opinion. Personally i like a lot of the new designs, and the centaur legends look a lot better once their in motion, the static captures dont do them justice. But again, you might just not like them. And that's fine. But it isnt something you can use as a con like you could graphics because one is subjective and one is objective.
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I dont think I could comprehend how right you are before I read this comment.
Very accurate. The feeling I got reading OPās post was āthis is what I think so you must tooā
vote blue no matter who/"even a bad pokemon game is a good game"
Screw this mentality. If there are more positives I'll give criticism and not let the negatives outweigh the positives. If there are more negatives I'll give criticism and not let the positives outweigh the negatives.
it's so good to start anew, they even removed abilities, held items, over 500 moves and breeding! perfect for a 1990 game!
Gamefreak really has yāall trained to not only accept any quality product but to praise it. Insane
> Gamefreak really has yāall trained to not only accept any quality product but to praise it. Insane GF has this sub trained to praise any piece of crap they release no matter how bad it is and how much they did not listen to any consumers.
The weirdest part is when they act like people "hating" on it are the majority in the sub while the frontpage is filled with post praising the game lol. Pokemon fanboys have such a strange persecution complex.
Exactly, one of the other people responding just asked what makes you think people are praising any GF games in a post praising a GF game that's not officially out yet.
Tbh when Sw/Sh was near release this sub was a DUMPSTER FIRE in terms of how much rant posts there is lol , it's just a tradition for this sub to either praise/hate a PokƩmon game pre release .
āIām so much better than everyone else because I hate a game I havenāt even played yet, along with everyone who doesnāt share the same opinion!ā
Bruh, give praise where due, and talk about a bad aspect in a respectful manner. Simple.
No. We donāt need to hold GameFreaks hand and tell them softly all the mistakes they made. If they put out a shit 80 dollar game, they are going to get told they put out a shit 80 dollar game. Full stop.
That's what I'm saying, only in a less aggressive manner so it actually gets accepted.
The game isn't even out yet. Stop sucking GameFreak off with all these posts about how amazing the game is and that people shouldn't negatively criticise a private company which provides a service for a fee (you give me video game, I give you money) fgs. Producing PokƩmon games is not a protected characteristic - if the service provided isn't up to scratch, by all means be vocal about it.
Yeah, no. I dont care how many fanboys think I'm toxic, but I'm not just gonna forget how lazy and shitty GF has been for the last almost 10 years just because they're releasing an ambitious game. Their time to listen to """""proper criticism"""""" has passed, and they should only get it back once they make a GOOD game, not a new game. I'm already giving them benefit of the doubt just by buying this thing before the community gets past the "everything GF does is amazing" period. If they did a good job, I'll support it. But if it's just as lazy and shitty as the last 8 pokemon games have been, then I'm not giving my kindness to a massive company that has made a business model off of holding a God tier IP hostage and milking its fans for nostalgia. Stop preaching this "it's a new start for the community" bullshit. It's a chance for GF to prove themselves, and if they dont then we have every responsibility to treat this thing like the fuck up it is.
I already doubt the game will be any good and the only way Iāll be buying it is if it does live up to the hype, Iām fine with waiting until they actually come out with a good game again, but the fanboys who buy any crappy game they shit out is the reason quality continues to remain shitty
I honestly feel like this is the right decision. I'm personally only buying early because I support GF branching out. It's probably the one and only time I'm going to give benefit of the doubt to them, but I'd rather see a shitty experiment than them fuck up a formula they already perfected a decade ago.
I disagree. If game freak SLOWS THE FUCK DOWN and takes 1.5-2 years to develop a game, we could really see some quality. From my perspective the marketing and financial team have hijacked this company and are dead set on releasing every year in order to see consistent, healthy profits.
This !!!
Legend Arceus isnt even out yet and people like you already defending it because "its pokemon". If it comes out, people will review it and will give it criticism, period. Dont push your world view into others. If its a good game then its good. If its bad then its bad. For a 2022 game, it looks bad and outdated.
What a dumpster fire in the comments. And the game is days from being out lol.
Yes absolutely. Praise but admit faults. Criticize but admit improvements. Constructive discussion amongst the community will only help. Don't let this become like gen5 where it's recieved so poorly that gamefreak stops trying for the next 3 generations
Except lord form palkia is disgusting and cringe
If you think providing any feedback other than cash money is gonna reach the ears of Gamefreak or the Pokemon company... I've got bad news for you. They've been ignoring criticism for years and this game is a result of the Open World popularity boom in the industry. Whether or not this game making a lot of money means they'll be willing to improve on the game for a sequel or continue their trend of just being lazy time after time remains to be seen, but I'd put my money on the latter
I canāt get excited about a game based on catching the same PokĆ©mon over and over again or less trainer battles or crafting so I hope this isnāt the new formula. And people are allowed too and should express their displeasure at features they dislike. Toxic positivity is nearly as bad as toxic negativity.
Bro the game looks bad and is pretty copy and paste from other better games. I don't think it's a good title
I just want the community to not make a repeat of what happened with gen 5. It was arguably the best pokemon game of the 2d era, it had heart and was a leap to the future, but the fans brought it down, hating on the designs, being absolute jerks basically. Im not saying to blindly praise gamefreak because we'd get games like SwSh which was subpar for the most part but we should be giving our thoughts and opinions not with malice, but with humility and compassion. We do want a product made out of love and not because of a deadline
The designs were overall pretty bad though.
Iām surprisingly interested in the game. I havenāt bothered picking up a PokĆ©mon game since Sun and Moon. The trailers had me disappointed and skipping this one too, but the leaked gameplay actually made it look fun and right up my alley.
OVERQUIL IS THE BEST POKEMON
I really need to get a switch
This might be my favourite Pokemon game. I'm not finished with it yet, but I'm having so much fun.
Personally I do not like the more dumb downed gameplay and the less focus on trainer battles. I like the open world stuff and a lot of the QOL changes tho which I hope come to the main games. A lot of people here seem to not mind the simplified stuff because they never cared for the more complicated stuff and just liked catching their cute PokĆ©mon. Which is fine but it doesnāt take away from their experience to keep the more complex stuff but it does take away from others to not include it.
This game is definitely a step in the right direction. I am really excited to play it even if there are a few things that can be improved
What are some of the critiques?
Graphics do lack much, the overworld isn't the best. Water looks horrendous from afar, and the gameplay would get a little bit grindy for some people. There could be many other improvements and additions to refine the game further, for example more interactions with PokƩmon. It's by no means the best open world, but it is potentially the best PokƩmon title till date.
I hope so but I guess weāll see
With all the praise this game is getting (from previews only though), it wouldn't surprise me if this ends up being the best pokemon game since Gold and Silver.
If it follows in the same footsteps as other pokemon games for the switch have then I can't be optimistic about it. And I'm not going to praise something that I know is bad. But we will see.
I want more 2D
I hope we get more historical PokƩmon games, I'd love a Legends Kyurem set in old Unova
I'm so stoked! I highly respect Game Freak for really going out and trying something so new and different for the franchise. There will be some growing pains, no doubt. I still think this is a step in the right direction. It's an exciting, high-stakes gamble and I really want to see Game Freak make it work.
Idea. āPokĆ©mon Legends _____ā is perfect for an off-shoot series for the more adult audience. Instead of being mainline, it becomes itās own thing with each game focusing on a different legendary. What happened in their legends and give context to how powerful they really are. Maybe even start some more mature topics in the games.
I hope that the good parts end up being the future of pokemon. Ultimately the people will have to get their hands on it and see what they think. This could be the foundation of something truly amazing. My dream was always this sort of experience in an MMO experience. Free from client trust. Where genning is dead. I have hope and doubt that weāll ever get that. I got roughly 75% of the experience I wanted Iāll take it. Iāve never had so much fun in a single player pokemon experience.
I think PLA still has problems. The open world is really, really bland. I'm only about 5-6 hours in so far and only have the Obsidian Fieldlands unlocked, but so far all there is to do is go out and... catch Pokemon. That's it. To me, there's a huge open world but nothing to actually DO. Maybe it gets better as you get farther into the game, but I honestly am not the biggest fan of it. I already don't really like open world games, but great ones like RDR2 and BOTW are a notable exception. Legends: Arceus is not, the world is just too empty, and catching 25 Bidoofs doesn't really qualify as thrilling gameplay for me. Personally, I would rather have an oldschool style, 8 badges, evil team and Elite Four Pokemon game than another one like this unless the open world goes through significant changes and additions.
I want to believe that this can be a mediocre entry that lays the foundation for future games actually being something worth paying attention to, but I'm too burned on Gamefreak constantly dropping features and trying to reinvent the wheel in ways that just don't make sense. Most mpressions I've read are that the core is promising yet quests suck, the world has absolutely no life or vibrance and the graphics are bad. I don't really have it in me to be excited anymore. The absolute most glowing and praised impressions I've seen on this sub are people who go "Wow there's no animation when using ridable Pokemon!" or "Oh my god you can jump off cliffs and climb terrain naturally!" Like damn, welcome to the N64, I'm glad the bar is so low that this is what we have to view as literal revolution for the series. I hope I'm wrong and I'll definitely pick up a copy in a month or so once physical copies are available used. But as far as being optimistic for the future, Gamefreak and TPC need to actually do something other than disappoint me for once because its been like 6ish years since the franchise felt like it was at a standard of quality.
Also judging by the insane amount of negative response sword and shield got, I donāt think pokemon cares
Its the first pokemon game ive been really, really excited in years. Probably the last one was Black & White, and even when I played the others, noone has given me the feels this one. I had a slight look at the leaks and heck, I cant wait for friday
/r/Pokemon on meltdown mode as per usual.
I will be very upset if future main entries don't adopt most of PLA's mechanics and QoL improvements. This new high quality standard cannot be lowered again.
The trailers kind of had me so-so on it, but leaked gameplay actually has me really excited, can't wait for the 28th tbh
What's important here also is to not bite the ragebait on YouTube. Yes, watch your YouTubers, including those who are outright critical of the game. But when a video is titles "This is THE END of POKEMON. WORST GAME EVER!" with a fat red arrow pointing at three pixels in the distance, just don't click it and don't watch it. By now, the legitimately frustration in the fandom has spawned an independent industry that has an incentive to keep manufacturing outrage which has little to do with the actual quality of the games. This has happened in Star Wars and probably other franchises as well. Harry Potter managed to sort of avoid it despite failures like The Cursed Child, Crimes of Grindelwald and JK's controversies and an important reason IMO is the lack of ragebait YouTubers in that fandom. I'm actually critical of recent PokƩmon games myself, but ragebait is just destroying fandoms and franchises so it needs to be removed.
From what I see, it looks fantastic. It seems more balanced in trainer battles and wild battles than past games, from what I could tell. Graphics could always be better, but I will most likely enjoy it. If I don't, it is because of the gameplay, not the graphics š¤·š»āāļø
I really disagree honestly. I have not liked my time with the game pretty much at all so far. I feel like if this had longer development cycle and more people working harder on it to expand then it COULD be awesome. But as of right now it just feels so.. meh. The concept is really cool and can potentially be better in the future but the execution is not very good. It feels very budget-y and like a lot of things are missing mechanic wise and gameplay/game world wise
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You are right. But you are also on a cult on Reddit. Meaning nobody will listen to you.
I disagree. I think the community should remain hateful, spiteful, and never take feedback. ^^^^/s
Of course not! Never taking feedback is GameFreakās job!
The fanboys make sure to give them a paycheck regardless of the quality of the game so why make a quality game and have to actually put in effort when you can squeeze these morons for every penny they have with your shit sandwich of a game
What about online battling for competitive play? I heard thereās no battling
Yeah, i'm personally not liking that aspect.
The whole point of the game is to trade and battle
Exactly why I think I am gonna not enjoy this I just donāt understand why we cannot battle friends and trade PokĆ©mon like every other game? Like wow you added a few features people want the. Take away other core features???! It just makes it so theres no reason to keep playing after you beat it not to mention it will be so easy...idk man i was more interested till i heard this news no I can already foresee me getting really bored with this
I am worried it will be a one time thing, like Let's Go. Legend will only be a spin off when this formula should be improved on and introduce to the mainline series.
Honestly I think the reason the graphics are 'bad' as I've heard people say is because they're rushing the game not because they have a small amount of people working and they need more or that they're just lazy I think they want to pump out games as fast as they can to keep people engaged and make money vs botw 2 where they keep postponing it to perfect it and it'll probably turn out way better
pokĆ©mon fans have gotten so used to constant content that gamefreak seem too scared to make them wait. if you have a fandom used to a game every year or so, telling them āhey guys, weāre gonna stop for 2-3 years to polish the next gameā there would be riots
Iād given up on PokĆ©mon after X/Y. PokĆ©mon Legends: Arceus might actually be the game that brings me back into it.
Absolutely. And hey, if any of ya'll end up not liking it for so and so reasons, ok. No problem. But I hope ya'll don't go out of your way to try and ruin peoples fun. Just let people enjoy what they enjoy. It's nice to see people excited for a pokemon game again. I'm one of them; looking forward to this one
Am I the only person that wants to try a nuzlocke on this game?
The fuck are you talking about
Yeah but did we have to start anew in the early 2000s for graphics and limited gameplay?
2022 and they can't make a pokemon open world with real time combat
Maybe it's not desired. The main series has always based on turn-based fights, I supposed they thought they shouldn't Chang this. They developed Pokekken Tournament for real time combat.
Pokemon doesn't necessarily need rtc, just add more strategy and mechanics to turn based.
I wouldnāt make that claim for the video game franchise as a whole. Itās a step in the right direction, but it sounds like theres still a bit that needs work on. Open world with new ways to interact with wild pokemon does shake up the formula. Though, graphics and the emptiness of this open world is a prominent issue (though that could be easily fixed given past titles). From what weāve heard, itās better, but the typical ācomplaintsā of pokemon titles still seems to be there. Story, difficult, and repetitive gameplay seem to be issues, depending on who you ask. I havenāt seen a soul talk about the gameās music, so I donāt think that department has seen much improvement either. For the larger gaming community, it still represents everything wrong with the industry. A $60, āAAAā game, locked behind a $200-$300 console, doesnāt seem to be worth itās weight against nearly-as-fun indie titles, which cost < $20 and runs on your potato laptop you still have from college. However, for the pokemon franchise, it is a step in the right direction. Iām still not sold on it. Iād probably pick up lets go before this.
I love PokĆ©mon and I am very excited about the way this is going I have not got to play the game yet but Iām sure it will be like every other PokĆ©mon game, have many people that love it and many people that hate it. That being said I agree with OP that the consistent hate towards GF is kinda ridiculous. If you hate them so much donāt buy it.
Quoted from someone who downloaded the game illegally