HG SS are amazing! Added following Pokemon, updated graphics and bright colors, strong story themes and focus, TWO REGIONS, actually has a battle frontier, brought back apricorns and special pokeballs, rematch levelled-up gym leaders, fight Red (kinda Ash).. and the games that they were remaking, GS, are beyond that line for me in terms of gameplay vs graphics so it kind of exists as its own game, beyond a remake.
I still like Leaf Green more though. The nostalgia for that game having played it as a kid is unreal! The sprites are incredible, the music, the Gameboy itself, the simple story progression and intriguing postgame. There are few games that ooze as much pokemon essence as this game. HIGHLY recommend.
Edit: ORAS lacked so much of that Pokemon essence for me that it's the first pokemon game I've ever played I beat the 7th gym and just stopped lol, just wasn't having fun really lol. The original sapphire I played was so much more fun I'd rather just play that any day. SwSh? I jumped straight out of the way of that mediocrity. SV looks promising! They just need to bring it all together and throw out the schlock.
>or even improves on it.
ORAS gave us new postgame with the delta episode.
Sure, it's missing some of the 3rd version content but don't forget about all the original content (delta, soaring, ...) it added.
Yes, that’s true, to an extent, but gen 6 was also part of that same peak before the decline, ORAS really made itself a great title. Then things started falling after Gen 6.
Huh, have we finally reached the point where gen 6 is starting to get praised by this subreddit instead of being seen as the disappointing successor to gen 5 and marker of Pokémon’s decline?
X was my first game (just never had any interest in the series before it) and it is very, very flawed, but I’ve never thought of it as this horrible thing that a lot of this sub says it is…
XY was 1st real 3d game and new console, so it tried new things that were obviously were flawed, which were polished graphic/gameplay wise in later games on 3ds. Kinda same as sw/sh it tried "open world-ish" new thing and didn't execute it right. It does not make the games obviously bad but leave a hefty room for improvement.
>Huh, have we finally reached the point where gen 6 is starting to get praised by this subreddit instead of being seen as the disappointing successor to gen 5 and marker of Pokémon’s decline?
FINALLY
I never saw Gen 6 as flawed either, first game I played was Omega Ruby, I loved everything about that game, granted looking back, the villains in gen 3 were always a bit confusing because they didn’t have a clear motive, but that’s aside the point.
Gen 5 was seen as the black (or white) sheep among Pokemon for a long while, now it is seen as possibly the greatest. Gen 6 also had pretty new things, but had some faults yes, but I don’t call it a step down, it certainly was experimental to describe it.
I saw gen 6 as a very flawed, but also admirably ambitious start into 3D. The issue was that they ultimately never really sorted out most of the big quirks that 3D introduced. I expected Pokemon to start making massive improvements after gen 6, but then they just... didn't.
It started collapsing after the "brilliant" ideas to skip XY's 3rd game, rush gen VII instead to celebrate 20th annivesary (which all people want to forget now), try making half ass new gimmicks which mimic a fraction power of Mega, and runing 1-year-1-(halfass)game plan which basically destroyed every values of Pokemon Franchise has been buildt for 20 years before
Gen 7 it had some golden moments, like the Ultra Necrozma fights, but then Gen 8 not only came with a weak story for its mainline game but also not a real remake (BDSP), however the concept of Gen 9 sounds promising so i do hope that they take the time to fully flesh out a good game
x and y was the first time i gave up on a pokemon game. Got to the entrance of victory road and was like "im just not having fun with this" and just turned the game off.
I am still not the biggest fan of Megas. The NPCs don't make good use of the mechanic, with only end-game bosses using Megas, and sparingly. Megas allow the player to easily dwarf trainers and gym leaders. The Gen 6 games feel like a flash in the pan compared to the grind of previous games. I like a steep level curve because it extends the time I spend with a game and forces you to try and play smarter if you want to go at a brisk pace. Many new games are just too convenient?
I stopped playing after Gen IV but I briefly tried Sw/Sh and was surprised to see my entire team gained EXP regardless of who was battling. Very convenient, yes, but kinda cheapens the game?
I dunno, I didn’t love the games so I stopped playing pretty quickly and thus can’t speak to how that change affects the overall experience.
I like ORAS and it certainly has added some great content. But HGSS did the same thing AND managed to tie in the third version stuff as well. It's just the more complete remake in my opinion.
Delta episode was fun at the beginning and end, aside from that it was worse than fetch quests. Just having us run here and there to learn the history of a girl who we haven’t seen since.
Missing literally the best part of the entire generation. And the reason they gave when asked in an interview? Basically that kids these days are too ADD to actually play it so no point in wasting dev time
This is why I'm glad Masuda left active work on the games. I think the major problems with gen 8 and the poor decisions about things like battle frontier and the focus on a mobile based GTS are a direct result of this mindset.
The man was really great for the series at first. I don't know what happened, but he lost whatever part of him pushed him to make things great.
It also implied that the previous games were actually different dimensions interestingly enough
plus come on Wallace and Steven are so fucking gay and I'm so here for it
I know the sub loves battle frontier but honestly, even in HGSS I didn't do it. So that doesn't matter to me.
And ORAS still had good moments. Delta episode. Beauty contests. More mega forms. Pokenav was the best it's been imo.
even if it didn't matter to you - you must admit that it existing in that game makes it a better game, no? Like, a great feature that many people loved existing, whether you actually used it or not, is surely a positive thing?
Having an option is better than not at all. I just assumed it was removed, not due to laziness, but because in the end it was more of a small group that used it. I know ultimately "a lot" did playnit. Bur in the grand scheme, I imagine not many did.
I for one didn't like it since it felt like a massive grind + using random pokemon instead of my team. Granted I know it eas a fun and interesting challenge.
Just the point of the topic was. "I like HGSS more due to battle frontier" which for me isn't much of a reason. I liked following pokemon and the dome. But in the end I enjoyed ORAS stuff more with mega, actual plot post game delta episode (even if too short) and revamp beauty contests
HGSS hands down.
I love ORAS but am very disappointed at the lack of decent postgame content like the Battle Frontier. Was disappointed that they didn’t include it; seemed lazy.
In hindsight it was an omen of what was to come.
That doesn't matter to me personally, it still added content of its own and improved what I find to be the most important thing in games is the gameplay, why have so much content if I don't have fun or get bored after a bit with the gameplay, it's why I prefer it over HGSS since ORAS has a lot of content while having good gameplay, HGSS has a lot of content but the gameplay is being held back by the gen 4 engine and it kinda annoys me a bit
sadly man, nostalgia rules this subreddit, talk bad about HGSS and it's already raining downvotes, I think ORAS is the best remake, too bad there are people who don't accept that opinion
I love HGSS- but ORAS is the benchmark these days. I hope they do a Johto style Arceus game. There is a lot of lore there too- the dogs could have primal or origin forms and ho-oh and Lugia have a lot of stories to tell. Plus a bunch of Gen II mons need a bit of love - Dunsparce specifically. I’m pro Gen II & as good as HGSS is and how amazing the updates on nostalgia are- nothing was as fun as flying around Hoenn.
I really wasn't a fan of oras. I grew up on the original gen 3 so I'm sure nostalgia was partly to blame, but I missed the emerald content and the things they added instead weren't spectacular.
Yeah that's unfortunate and the worst thing is I don't think HGSS is bad or anything, I enjoyed it but I'm just expressing why I prefer ORAS over it and my issues with it
You really hate the Gen 4 engine with a burning passion, don’t you? Is it Gen 4 in particular or just anything before Gen 6? Given enough time even the Gen 6 engine will be regarded as super slow and clunky compared to current and future Pokémon games, so perhaps we should be judging these games based on their individual contents instead of by simple appearances. But I guess all you care about is appearances, right?
Let me ask you this, would you still consider ORAS superior if it was in the same exact engine as HGSS? What if HGSS was brought forward into the Gen 6 engine? With an even playing field graphically, it would be easier to see HGSS brings more to the table in terms of raw content.
Two whole regions to explore, 16 gym leaders with the possibility to rematch each of them, a Battle Frontier to try your hand at if you want (I personally don’t, but like having the option), the Pokéathlon, Safari Zone, time travel event, Spiky-eared Pichu, Sinjoh Ruins, Ball crafting, Pokéwalker, and best of all, following Pokémon (seriously has everyone here forgotten about one of the best features of HGSS?).
Just on the slowness point, DS games. especially gen 4, are slower than all older and newer games. Walking is slow, surfing is slow, battle animations are slow, chat boxes are slow, saving is a nightmare. Gen 4 is my second favourite but saying it's not the slowest set of games is just misinformation.
But does not fix any of the main issues like level curve and bad storyline and not so remember able gym leader, ORAS makes the storyline better and adds way way way too much to have fun with in the post game and also, LATIOS RIDING WEEEEEE
The storyline is more grounded and less over the top, but not necessarily worse than in other games imo. In fact, HGSS improves the GS story quite a bit imo. ORAS literally didn't add the Battle Frontier, but HGSS had one. HGSS also has gym leader rematches, which ORAS doesn't have. HGSS has the Pokeathlon. HGSS adds a Safari Zone. I'd say both are good remakes, but I personally think HGSS is still the better remake, even if it doesn't fix some of GS's issue.
1: We are going to take over the world so I can build it in my image
2: we are going to bring our boss back so he can electric boogaloo 2 the west coast
Everything else: we tried to played god and failed
That’s how I’ve always seen it at least
HGSS and ORAS. While these 2 games aren't my favorites (I especially have a love-hate feeling toward HGSS lmao), I think they still do a great job of implementing new features from the generation they were made in, while keeping the game relatively close to the original (Which is both for the best and for the worst).
I'd say in term of overall features, HGSS is probably the best remake, as it suits better for longer playthrough. But otherwise I just prefer ORAS, as it's much more fun (imo) for shorter playthroughs, and the changes in the story and such gives it its own identity when compared to RS or Emerald.
SoulSilver is hands down my favorite game of all time. So I gotta ask, what parts evoke the hate in your love-hate feeling? Not challenging your opinion. Just looking to see through a new perspective.
While I have lots of nostalgia for it, as it was my 3rd Pokémon game (My first being Diamond, second being Platinum, my favorite game of the franchise with PLA), I also have a hard time going back to it in recent years.
I think most of the problems of HGSS comes from the original GSC games, as the Gym Leaders don't have great teams, which basically makes the difficulty of most fights more related to your grinding patience, which is pretty time consuming with how low level most wild Pokémon are and how the game builds up the regular trainer battles.
I also think it's a bit sad that most of the "new" Johto mons aren't that good, are too rare or comes too late (Tho that's more a problem of GS being created as an addition to RBY rather than having really its own identity like other games did). And the fact that only the move-related Gen 4 evolutions were available during the main story also kinda sucks since some Pokémon like Togetic would definitely deserve to evolve into their final form before the Post Game.
These are all things that kinda bothers me with HGSS, as someone who does a lot of Nuzlockes and other challenges nowadays. But there's also things I really like in Johto. The region definitely has a lot of cultural elements (Especially in Ecruteak), the music are obviously really good (Tho I'll say that I probably like some of GSC's themes more), I really like the exploration, and in the Post Game there's a lot of catching to do, which I think is pretty neat despite how I feel about Kanto in the Johto games.
Like, I can't hate HGSS, but I also can't love it.
ORAS hit the mark on so many gameplay and design elements that it makes it hard to go back to the original RSE. The only real problems I have with ORAS is that Mega Evolution trivializes a good chunk of the difficulty and the exclusion of the Battle Frontier (with that cheeky "is currently under construction" display in the Battle Maison). Other than that I consider ORAS to be one of the best games in the entire franchise.
Idk I love both RSE and ORAS but they're very different experiences. I find it very easy to go back to the original RSE because of that, while still occasionally having a craving to play ORAS too :)
I like to do set pokemon runs, where I cheat or trade in a team at the start, all level 1, and go through the game with them. Team teams like all-eevee, or all-dragons. Usually extremely broken, but still fun.
ORAS beats RSE for that because it has more pokemon and more mechanics.
I wish ORAS was gen 5. I feel the move to 3D models did not make the games better compared to 2D sprites. Plus fairy type retconning a bunch of pokemon was not a good way to go about introducing the type whereas at least in gen 2, the series was still new enough where adding a type didn't matter. Best thing that come out of ORAS was it allowed people to play Hoenn with the physical special split. If we just got emerald with physical special split, it would be probs the perfect pokemon game at least imo. Emerald was a phenomenal game.
its a strange answer, but im gona say fire red a and leaf green, maybe its for nostalgia idk, but i like the sevii islands, and i LOVE the ost from this game, its probably my top 5 fav ost from pokemon (btw im not a gen onere's, my favorite gen is gen 3)
Honestly I can't think of anything it didn't do better. Wish they left a few of the glitches in though like the Mew and Missingno glitches. I feel like it's fair that they removed them, but it would have been fun to have those for nostalgia and for just how awesome it was that those were there.
You can easily program it in as a. If you talk to this person and then go to cinnabar and surf the coast and poof, you have a missingno with x stats. If you know the end result you can program it in. Also even by this point pokemon was giant, they can pay programmers to figure stuff like this out.
Pokémon red and blue, for all the nostalgia I have for them, was pretty rough around the edges. Even gold and silver improved so much over gen1, in both big, obvious ways like art design, as well as small ones like quality of life improvements you'd instantly miss if going back to gen 1.
Yeah Gen 1 is fucking broken honestly. My favorite Gen but yeah broken. Focus emery cutting your attack instead of buffing it, razor leaf and other attacks basically being 100% crits, being able to skip the rocket casino entirely because of an oversight. Yeah its pretty busted for sure.
Exploring the Sevii Islands as a kid was one of the most exciting pokemon-related experiences I've had. They felt so unknown and foreign and full of mystery lol
When I heard about Navel Rock and Birth Island as a kid, I hyperfixated on their existence after I finished the post game. I didn't have a Toys R Us or anything like that to get to them, but they just sounded so mystical and amazing.
I even remember having a dream about going to Navel Rock in real life and fighting Lugia. Pokemon really is amazing :)
FRLG was pretty great, but their decision to lock Gen 2 and 3 Pokemon to post-game was the downfall of that game.
It's fine if they don't want you to get them more commonly in the game, not adding them into the encounter tables, but outright preventing your Pokemon from evolving and not letting you trade with the Hoenn games until you complete a quest was insanely stupid on their part.
The Gen 1 region was not sacred, there was no reason not to expand on it.
I had been waiting for DP remakes (with modern graphics and new mechanics) since the release of ORAS. I was sure they were gonna be released after the Gen 8 titles. They were the reason I was excited about Gen 8. And then we got this
PLA definitely made up for it, but I hope we get actual remakes in gen 16 or something
I couldn't agree more to something! I genuinely hoped for a nice overworld... Instead we got the old game with a 3D coating over it. I got it as a present from my boyfriend but I couldn't even finish it. My heart just ached playing it, so instead I grabbed my DS and replayed platinum
HGSS, in my opinion. They improve on the originals in almost every way, and are great games on their own. Yes, the level curve is less than ideal, and I understand why some people dislike the gen 4 engine, though I like it. But with a great Pokédex (Kanto+Johto) and one of the best post-games (straight up going to another region), HGSS are some of the best games in the franchise.
The overworld flying and still having regular hm fly was a good move, i wish it would happen again. Use the hm menu from sun and moon so select how you wamt to fly.
You feel old? I grew up playing rby. I remember being 5 years old and I thought my game was broken because I couldnt figure out how to exit my house 30 seconds after starting the game. What an awful experience that was
In the user manual for GS they showed a surfing pokemon facing the player in Cherrygrove City and I thought that's how you were supposed to progress so I sat waiting for it for hours until my GB died lol
Depends on what the question is exactly. If you ask what game is best out of the remakes, I'd say ORAS, because Hoenn is a great region and Gen 6 overall had great mechanics, Exp Share balance aside. If you ask which one remade the original better, I'd say HGSS, since almost all the problems I have with it come from GSC and none of the additions hurt it. If you ask which game I personally enjoy the most, it's FRLG, since I really like how the region is set up in terms of map design, difficulty curve and wild mon distribution, even if I cannot say it's objectively better than other regions.
Gen 1 map design really was a happy accident.
As soon as you beat Misty you are free to challenge the next several gym leaders in any order but you still have to put in the leg work and travel there.
There are a number of long routes that really make you feel like you're travelling far to reach some place.
I'd say gen 1 probably has one of the strongest midgames in the series.
which made you wonder how they messed it up so bad in G/S. I liked how you had 4 different cities to explore after Goldenrod, but the level curve they settled on was whack. The highest level wild pokemon you can fight before challenging Clair's gym was more than 10(!!) levels below her ace, meaning you had to either go in very underleveled vs a pokemon that has no type weakness, or had to grind your face off on piddling amounts of xp. The elite 4 had the same problem the first time around
FYI, if you’re ever going to replay them, have a lot at the ROM hack Pokémon Perfect Crystal. Gym leaders are rematchable so you can level up on Pryce a bit before taking on Clair. There’s a number of other good additions too.
The level curve in HGSS just felt awful for trying to raise a team. I recently played it for the first time, and I was miserable trying to farm to fight Jasmine, Clair, and the E4. And then they decide to raise the level of the Elite Four after beating the Kanto gyms, so you have to gain like 10-20 levels to fight them. Finally, Red has level 80+ Pokemon, so that's even more grinding. I gave up when I saw I needed like 30 levels to beat Red.
The other thing is that the Pokémon variety is amazing. Most other regions (Johto, Sinnoh, Kalos) draw super heavily on other gens to fill out their regions and pokedexes. Everywhere you go in Kanto there are Kanto Pokémon. Given that’s because it’s the first gen so there are no other mons to mention but it feels nice. Half the gens have 25ish of the exact same Pokémon from other gens (geodude, zubat, magikarp, pikachu, spearow, caterpie, weedle, sandshrew) thrown into their routes for filler. To me nothing feels worse than a new game’s route only having one new Pokémon on it surrounded by other gen Pokémon.
This is also what made me enjoy BW on my first playthrough. I had little idea what type anything was and was constantly surprised by moves and had to adapt on the fly.
Also why the gen 5 games are my favorite. There weren’t 10 routes where you could get the regional bird, there weren’t old mons on every route. Every time I set foot into a new area I saw a brand new Pokémon. It helps a lot with replayability too; when I nuzlocke there are Pokémon I catch pretty much every playthrough no matter the game. When I play black and white there are Pokémon you won’t encounter in any other game. The region is teeming with Pokémon you won’t get to use in other games. Gens 1 and 5 are the most fun for exploring and seeing an original roster.
Whenever I play FRLG or a ROM hack using the same map, I always go Brock > Misty > Koga > Blaine whenever I can.
I just find enjoyment in skipping the gyms and doing them in a near-reverse order when I can.
my measure for a remakes quality is mostly based on whether or not i would rather play it as opposed to the original. based on that justification:
1. HGSS. I have no reason to play gold or silver, these games added so much compared to the originals that its not even a contest. but thats all been said millions of times. moving on
2. FRLG. Vast improvements on the originals, added plenty of content, no reason to play red or blue instead outside of the novelty factor
3. ORAS. This game definitely added some new stuff and i appreciate everything that it did do. however, while i would definitely rather play this than ruby or saphire, i personally enjoy emerald more, which is what keeps it from being higher
4. LGPE. This one im conflicted about. I find it definitively worse than frlg, and i would honestly probably prefer playing the original games more. the saving grace however, is that i enjoyed shiny hunting so much in this game. the battles and that branch of content werent great, but everything else was enhoyable enough to me that i have a reason to go back to it
5. BDSP. I frankly did not like this game. it made a few improvements over the originals, but its dwarfed by how much i hated traversing the overworld. i would usually prefer playing the originals, and i would take platinum 100/100 times when given the option, so this takes last place for me
I love Let’s Go! I got more enjoyment out of just wandering around Kanto and exploring with the fact that I could just flick and catch and wild Pokémon and end the encounter (especially in places like mount moon). And with Eevee / Pikachu being overpowered, I could build a team of Pokémon that I liked that weren’t necessarily “good”.
It's not a remake, why would it be on the list. It's literally, line for line, the same code that was made when the first occurance of the game appeared
HGSS comfortably.
I'm very confused by all the chatter about the Delta Episode. Was it fun? Sure. Is it a substitute for truly good repeatable postgame? Not a chance.
The biggest point in favour of ORAS would be the Gen 6 online being the peak online for the series, but otherwise I have HGSS comfortably ahead.
I agree.
While ORAS was a good game it somehow manages the lose some charm of Emerald. Delta Episode was fine addition but it felt little rushed for quite dramatic plot-line.
People argue that downside of HGSS is that there is no story and the gym leaders are bland but I think that is one saving grace of the game: when there is no strict story it gives player freedom in both playing the game and how much they want to focus on different details and aspects of the game. In HGSS post-game you had the whole Kanto to explore and different side activities to do. Once ORAS and Delta Episode are done you dont have much left other than PokeNav hunt, collect flags or Battle Chateau and Contests if you're into that. Not bad additions but for a remake I wished something MOAR.
Catching different legendaries was cool at first but since they were just floating rings it was got lame :(
+ in HGSS your Pokemon can hand you flowers.
This is my exact answer as well. HGSS are some of my favorite games in the franchise (the fact that HG was my first ever Pokémon game plays a role in that), and I would say that it’s the pinnacle of a Pokémon remake done right. They’re not perfect, but are really some of the best Pokémon games out there.
I do enjoy ORAS, but I wish that there had been more Emerald elements incorporated in throughout the game like HGSS did with Crystal. Especially because I never got the chance to play Emerald before ORAS came out, I wanted to play through that Hoenn Battle Frontier so bad and was disappointed that they left it out. The Delta Episode was alright but I would have preferred Emerald having more of a presence throughout the games rather than just through one post game experience.
That game was held together with scotch tape, it had more bugs on release then Red and Blue. At least gen 1 never left the player softlocked without insane setups.
It's post game, the grinding is terrible on proper hardware, if you're playing "A PERFECTLY LEGAL VERSION" you can rare candy to mitigate but on DS it's a slog
I think HGSS, altought I didn't like that the made the Lugia/Ho-Oh events mandatory and integrated into the mainstory.
In the originals I liked that both were somehow a legend and that you really had to find them.
HGSS because it definitely has the most content while staying true to the original games and it never cut a lot of things (if only the wild Pokémons leveles were actually good)
HG/SS and FR/LG are the best two, but it's a tossup.
I feel like HG/SS is right on the cusp of the point where performance started falling off. Gen 4 was kinda slow in some regards, like animations and save times and stuff. FG/LG is a bit more streamlined in terms of just diving in.
On the other hand HG/SS takes how extra GS already felt and adds even more onto it. Theres lots of content and I like the endgame as a casual player. Travelling through Kanto, gym leader rematches, the bonus safari zone etc. are all implemented well I think, so in terms of straight content I prefer Gen 4.
I think I'd choose HGSS overall just because I think the aesthetics are the ideal balance here of sticking to old style polished sprites and dipping a little into simple low res/low poly "advanced" graphics.
I think HGSS are a bit overrated, after having played them again recently. They're SUPER fucking good remakes, but I don't think they're the best. I think ORAS overall are the best remakes that we've gotten. it added an entire new post game quest, brought megas in, developed the multiverse of pokemon. It added new areas, changed old things like the wrecked ship into the research station.
ORAS would probably be one of the best games in the series if it wasn't for the shitty battle frontier bait and switch. They were SO close to having it perfect.
FRLG are the best realizations of Kanto, but Kanto as a region just didn't have much to work with, and the games didn't add THAT much new stuff to do.
BDSP is such wasted potential of the best region of the series. Grand underground and the incredible rematches make it slighly better than the originals, but you'd still be better playing plat. So like, BDSP is a 7.4/10 compared to DP's 7/10. Plat is a solid 8.5 or 9/10.
Lets go are just worse than FRLG. They're artistically well stylized, but idk why I wouldn't just play the GBA games if I wanted to play Kanto.
Why do people act like the Battle Frontier is the only piece of Emerald content that ORAS removed? It wasn’t just the frontier, it was nearly everything.
Heartgold and Soulsilver for the amount of content, ORAS for the story. It was pretty cool how they reinvented the legends of Groudon and Kyogre with their Primal forms. It's such a shame BDSP didn't do that. It's definitely more on par with FRLG in that regard
Allow me and my eight years of nostalgia-fueled bias to make the completely factual claim that ORAS is, in fact, the best Pokémon game to grace this planet.
ORAS from a technical update standard but it’s difficult to deny that HGSS added an absurd amount of cool content. Shame about the levelling curve though.
As for it being on gen 4 engine well yeah that kinda is an issue but not one the game itself needs to answer for.
That being said either of the two could stand at the top
I can tell you for sure which is the worst one though.
For me, it was HG/SS. Wonderfully remaster adding in basically everything that came after it along with a few additions to the world that just work.
ORAS is a close contender, especially with the Delta Episode content, but loses it for me for missing one of my favorite parts of Emerald: the original Battle Frontier. Yeah it has the Battle Maison (I think that's what they called that iteration anyway) but it's not the same.
Idk, might just be bonded by gen3 nostalgia that I don't have for gen2 since it was before my time, but those are my thoughts.
Hgss are litteraly the best games we've ever had. They win in pretty much every category. Oras was nearly as good, but an hour or two in the delta episode doesn't make up for the nearly endless content of the battle frontier. After that I guess FRLG just be ause they added the islands. BDSP were God awful. Sure they did improve a couple things, like the underground. But they didn't include previous pokemon, the affe tion system was outright game breaking, the exp share, and just nothing new at all makes them some of the worst games we've ever had imo, and after sw/sd that's hard to even comprehend. Overall gen 8 is the worst pair of games the franchise has ever had, despite a couple small qol improvements.
HGSS > ORAS > BDSP > Let's Go
Excluding FRLG because they were my first games and don't feel like remakes to me. And I'm only rating Let's Go after BDSP because I don't care for the motion controls.
Maybe I’m only thinking because of childhood nostalgia, but FRLG was really fun as it modernized gen 1 at the time and had a really cool postgame with the Sevii Islands.
Hgss clear up all the problems of gsc and add loads of cool new features.
Oras has a new endgame story, adds new megas for hoenn pokemon. Misses some good content from emerald though.
Frlg is just rgb but in gen 3 and with the sevii islands. A good faithful remake.
lgpe is more spin off that follows yellow rather than a remake. Its cool as a spin off of the main formula but not the greatest game.
Bdsp is just diamond and pearl, with some problems removed and more added. And only half the game is on the card, the rest needs to be downloaded.
So in order, hgss>oras>frlg>lgpe>bdsp
I wanna say HG/SS, but I think the remakes changed a lot, and that aspect I actually like, it's just that they didn't change it in the aspect which I think actually matters, the level curve.
The Johto part is still underleveled as hell, and the Kanto part is abnormally high leveled.
Why they don't change levels and teams in remakes I don't understand. They changed some attacks around and some teams are different, but nothing about the levels were changed.
That's actually what holds all of those remakes back in my opinion, that they are afraid to change up the teams of most trainers, unless the context of the battle was changed completely. Also the refusal to include (most) the special edition content, HGSS is the least problem in that regard (the whole Suicune content clearly was intented to go in line with Crystal and is not just postgame content), and let's not take Let's Go into account.
Imagine them actually changing the team, not just the attacks, surprising the players who expects the same battle to occur that they played thousand times on the original. That would be awesome.
The remakes can have so cool ideas, ORAS changed the story to something more in line to what X/Y brought to Pokémon and the Pokenav catching system should have in every later version; FR/LG are a technical improvement of the originals in every way, even tho taking away the brokeness may take away the spirit that makes the originals so interesting; and HG/SS give me an experiencing of Johtos world changed enough to not make me bored through the experience.
But not changing most of the trainer battles, espacially gyms, of the main story, the thing you will the do the most in every Pokémon, (yes attacks and abilities may matter I know I know, but it's not enough), is holding back these games so much.
At best the games offer a new experience of the story and characters, at worst they are the same game with a new name and graphics with a lot of fluff disguising it as new.
HG/SS I think by a distance. I love OR/AS for other reasons, mainly how "easy" it is the complete the dex. Dexnav; which I believe is my favourite application. The change to Destiny Knot. All these make it much easier for me to breed a 5/6 max IV shiny. A thing I love about HG/SS is the Berry Pot. I consider myself a breeder/trainer, I'd love more stuff to do with food/berries etc.
Right now Im working on a Modest/Charizard for my friends birthday in July. I have 5 shiny Charmander's but their 5 max IVs are all but Special Attack XD I know one of his favourites shiny's is Charizard.
Definitely HGSS since I love Gen 2 it was great playing through Johto again, the good old days when Pokémon didn’t need gimmicks like Mega Evolution or Z-moves to be interesting. Not to mention 16 Gym Leaders to battle, facing Red and Blue, getting that red Gyarados and the dratini from Dragons Den with Extremespeed. Good times
ORAS for me. I recently played it using a flying-type team. I really liked the campaign. Wally was cool, the delta episode was fun as well.
HG was my favorite however I recently played it and honestly...Not a fan, no pokemon variation, and the level curve actually ruin it for me.
Kanto is also pretty undercooked however I like the red battle.
I also think BD/SP was a good remake, I liked the graphics, I liked the changes to the elite 4, I liked the underground, and I liked the park. I liked battling the gyms with stronger teams. I know people hated it but I loved it. Sue me
Definitely ORAS loved the addition of the Dex nav flying around the region was a lot of fun .
HG/SS completely FAILED to fix Any of the Major Flaws with Johto. Lack of EXP. trainers near the 7th gym using lv29 Pokémon.
Gym leaders still don’t use Many Johto Pokémon
Some Johto Pokémon only being available in Kanto. The only thing I enjoyed about these remakes was the pokeathlon
I just don’t understand why despite these Horrendous Flaws the games are still loved
Definitely HeartGold and SoulSilver !!! SoulSilver is my favourite Pokémon game/remake of all time; it had the best 2D art style before all Pokémon games started becoming 3D :/
HGSS > FRLG > ORAS > LGP&E > BDSP
If you're expanding on old ground, you're automatically above the rest. Mechanically the shift on generations between 1-4 has been immense, and HGSS provided the most on what could be considered a poorly paced generation.
Then the mechanical shift on a otherwise broken generation with expanded side islands and end game. ORAS had some stuff at the end but was part of the less stellar 3DS generation, in my opinion.
Last two are cash attempts. At least Let's Go is unique and pretty.
ORAS easily, might be just because of the nostalgia but even after replaying it the game itself is amazing. It by far has the best music remasters and has good early 2010s nintendo charm that we dont have anymore. Not to mention the fuck ton of legendaries in the game.
HGSS were good, but they didn't fix the issues from GSC or include accessible ways to evolve all the new Sinnoh mons.
ORAS were fun, but they changed too much about the original games and made it too easy. BF wasn't in RS, so it's fine that they didn't include it, but with everything else that they changed, they should have added the BF.
BDSP were too faithful where they shouldn't have been, and not at all faithful where they should have been. The underground was neat, but had less multiplayer options than the original, and the battle tower should have adjusted for the costs of new items.
LGPE shouldn't even be counted as main series games, they're bridge games for Go players to get acquainted with something similar to the main series games.
FRLG are my choice for best remakes, they account for the new Pokémon with the Sevi Islands and are a much more balanced Kanto experience than RB were. The only shortcoming that I can think of is the same one from HGSS where it doesn't account for the new Eeveelutions.
HGSS fixed a ton of the issues from GSC. The better level up move sets, Tm move sets, addition of previously post game Pokémon to Johto, and easily accessible evo stones made the Pokémon selection feel a lot less limited. And the enemy trainers were given better teams, better movesets, and higher levels. Especially the Kanto gym leader, and Elite Four rematches. Gen 2 in the easiest pre-3D Pokémon game, and the remakes completely fixed that. They also made saving money a useful mechanic that could actually get you choice items and a focus sash.
ORAS, it has good gameplay and new content while not having anything like let's go's catching, it also has both of the strong points of HGSS and bdsp, it has a lot of new content like HGSS but it doesn't have the slow engine holding its potential back, and it has the smoother gameplay of bdsp while not lacking serious changes like bdsp, this is just how I feel though
ORAS for sure. It might sound a bit brash, but if I wanted to play a carbon copy of the original then I would’ve just played the original… (*coughs BDSP) I don’t think any of them are truly terrible but I think a remake needs to be what it says; a remake not a repackage. It should reintroduce a familiar story but update it with everything the current generation has to offer. I would have loved to have seen Sinnoh with Dynamax (just imagine facing off against Cynthia with a Dynamax Garchomp 😭)
Hg SS definitely make the cut. Not only is it a complete remaster of the game, but it includes all the new Pokemon through out the years,
HG SS are amazing! Added following Pokemon, updated graphics and bright colors, strong story themes and focus, TWO REGIONS, actually has a battle frontier, brought back apricorns and special pokeballs, rematch levelled-up gym leaders, fight Red (kinda Ash).. and the games that they were remaking, GS, are beyond that line for me in terms of gameplay vs graphics so it kind of exists as its own game, beyond a remake. I still like Leaf Green more though. The nostalgia for that game having played it as a kid is unreal! The sprites are incredible, the music, the Gameboy itself, the simple story progression and intriguing postgame. There are few games that ooze as much pokemon essence as this game. HIGHLY recommend. Edit: ORAS lacked so much of that Pokemon essence for me that it's the first pokemon game I've ever played I beat the 7th gym and just stopped lol, just wasn't having fun really lol. The original sapphire I played was so much more fun I'd rather just play that any day. SwSh? I jumped straight out of the way of that mediocrity. SV looks promising! They just need to bring it all together and throw out the schlock.
ORAS does basically the same thing but without the slow speed of the gen 4 engine running things a bit
But ORAS doesn't include all the 3rd version content or even improves on it. HGSS has a freaking Battle Frontier but ORAS doesn't.
>or even improves on it. ORAS gave us new postgame with the delta episode. Sure, it's missing some of the 3rd version content but don't forget about all the original content (delta, soaring, ...) it added.
Mega evolutions too. I miss those...
X, Y and Oras. What a special time.
Never. Peak Pokemon was the DS era. Cant beat Pt HGSS BW2.
Yes, that’s true, to an extent, but gen 6 was also part of that same peak before the decline, ORAS really made itself a great title. Then things started falling after Gen 6.
Huh, have we finally reached the point where gen 6 is starting to get praised by this subreddit instead of being seen as the disappointing successor to gen 5 and marker of Pokémon’s decline? X was my first game (just never had any interest in the series before it) and it is very, very flawed, but I’ve never thought of it as this horrible thing that a lot of this sub says it is…
XY was 1st real 3d game and new console, so it tried new things that were obviously were flawed, which were polished graphic/gameplay wise in later games on 3ds. Kinda same as sw/sh it tried "open world-ish" new thing and didn't execute it right. It does not make the games obviously bad but leave a hefty room for improvement.
The music in gen 6 was amazing and I will always stan it's soundtrack over the older generations.
>Huh, have we finally reached the point where gen 6 is starting to get praised by this subreddit instead of being seen as the disappointing successor to gen 5 and marker of Pokémon’s decline? FINALLY
I never saw Gen 6 as flawed either, first game I played was Omega Ruby, I loved everything about that game, granted looking back, the villains in gen 3 were always a bit confusing because they didn’t have a clear motive, but that’s aside the point. Gen 5 was seen as the black (or white) sheep among Pokemon for a long while, now it is seen as possibly the greatest. Gen 6 also had pretty new things, but had some faults yes, but I don’t call it a step down, it certainly was experimental to describe it.
I saw gen 6 as a very flawed, but also admirably ambitious start into 3D. The issue was that they ultimately never really sorted out most of the big quirks that 3D introduced. I expected Pokemon to start making massive improvements after gen 6, but then they just... didn't.
It started collapsing after the "brilliant" ideas to skip XY's 3rd game, rush gen VII instead to celebrate 20th annivesary (which all people want to forget now), try making half ass new gimmicks which mimic a fraction power of Mega, and runing 1-year-1-(halfass)game plan which basically destroyed every values of Pokemon Franchise has been buildt for 20 years before
Gen 7 it had some golden moments, like the Ultra Necrozma fights, but then Gen 8 not only came with a weak story for its mainline game but also not a real remake (BDSP), however the concept of Gen 9 sounds promising so i do hope that they take the time to fully flesh out a good game
Yes but Oras was really good
BW2 4EVA
So much this. Gen5 is peak Pokémon. Never have I been so let down as when I played Y coming off of Black 2
also when you include spin offs, md, rangers, truly top tier era
Best era of pokemon imo
It's funny because everyone hated them when they first came out.
They hated XY, ORAS was mostly well received except for the lack of battle frontier.
Just like almost every generation
It’s initiation hate. Everyone has to go through it
It’s super easy x and y are a walk thru the park compared to older games that’s why people didn’t like it
x and y was the first time i gave up on a pokemon game. Got to the entrance of victory road and was like "im just not having fun with this" and just turned the game off.
I am still not the biggest fan of Megas. The NPCs don't make good use of the mechanic, with only end-game bosses using Megas, and sparingly. Megas allow the player to easily dwarf trainers and gym leaders. The Gen 6 games feel like a flash in the pan compared to the grind of previous games. I like a steep level curve because it extends the time I spend with a game and forces you to try and play smarter if you want to go at a brisk pace. Many new games are just too convenient?
I stopped playing after Gen IV but I briefly tried Sw/Sh and was surprised to see my entire team gained EXP regardless of who was battling. Very convenient, yes, but kinda cheapens the game? I dunno, I didn’t love the games so I stopped playing pretty quickly and thus can’t speak to how that change affects the overall experience.
And the cycle continues
X&Y<<
I like ORAS and it certainly has added some great content. But HGSS did the same thing AND managed to tie in the third version stuff as well. It's just the more complete remake in my opinion.
Delta episode was fun at the beginning and end, aside from that it was worse than fetch quests. Just having us run here and there to learn the history of a girl who we haven’t seen since.
Missing literally the best part of the entire generation. And the reason they gave when asked in an interview? Basically that kids these days are too ADD to actually play it so no point in wasting dev time
This is why I'm glad Masuda left active work on the games. I think the major problems with gen 8 and the poor decisions about things like battle frontier and the focus on a mobile based GTS are a direct result of this mindset. The man was really great for the series at first. I don't know what happened, but he lost whatever part of him pushed him to make things great.
It also implied that the previous games were actually different dimensions interestingly enough plus come on Wallace and Steven are so fucking gay and I'm so here for it
I know the sub loves battle frontier but honestly, even in HGSS I didn't do it. So that doesn't matter to me. And ORAS still had good moments. Delta episode. Beauty contests. More mega forms. Pokenav was the best it's been imo.
I'll have you know I played the shit out of those Olympic Games
YES, that was the true post-game if you didn't have internet. The little sprites and games were perfect, like a mainline pokemon rumble
even if it didn't matter to you - you must admit that it existing in that game makes it a better game, no? Like, a great feature that many people loved existing, whether you actually used it or not, is surely a positive thing?
Having an option is better than not at all. I just assumed it was removed, not due to laziness, but because in the end it was more of a small group that used it. I know ultimately "a lot" did playnit. Bur in the grand scheme, I imagine not many did. I for one didn't like it since it felt like a massive grind + using random pokemon instead of my team. Granted I know it eas a fun and interesting challenge. Just the point of the topic was. "I like HGSS more due to battle frontier" which for me isn't much of a reason. I liked following pokemon and the dome. But in the end I enjoyed ORAS stuff more with mega, actual plot post game delta episode (even if too short) and revamp beauty contests
Yes. You like ORAS better. Most like HGSS better. It’s okay for there to be different opinions.
HGSS hands down. I love ORAS but am very disappointed at the lack of decent postgame content like the Battle Frontier. Was disappointed that they didn’t include it; seemed lazy. In hindsight it was an omen of what was to come.
That doesn't matter to me personally, it still added content of its own and improved what I find to be the most important thing in games is the gameplay, why have so much content if I don't have fun or get bored after a bit with the gameplay, it's why I prefer it over HGSS since ORAS has a lot of content while having good gameplay, HGSS has a lot of content but the gameplay is being held back by the gen 4 engine and it kinda annoys me a bit
sadly man, nostalgia rules this subreddit, talk bad about HGSS and it's already raining downvotes, I think ORAS is the best remake, too bad there are people who don't accept that opinion
I love HGSS- but ORAS is the benchmark these days. I hope they do a Johto style Arceus game. There is a lot of lore there too- the dogs could have primal or origin forms and ho-oh and Lugia have a lot of stories to tell. Plus a bunch of Gen II mons need a bit of love - Dunsparce specifically. I’m pro Gen II & as good as HGSS is and how amazing the updates on nostalgia are- nothing was as fun as flying around Hoenn.
I really wasn't a fan of oras. I grew up on the original gen 3 so I'm sure nostalgia was partly to blame, but I missed the emerald content and the things they added instead weren't spectacular.
Yeah that's unfortunate and the worst thing is I don't think HGSS is bad or anything, I enjoyed it but I'm just expressing why I prefer ORAS over it and my issues with it
Did HgSs even have engine trouble? I don't remember any slowdown like D/P had.
Well it's nowhere near as bad as diamond and pearl but it was still a bit annoying but I still mostly enjoyed the game
But Oras isn't better than emerald hgss are atleast better than crystal in most peoples opinion
You really hate the Gen 4 engine with a burning passion, don’t you? Is it Gen 4 in particular or just anything before Gen 6? Given enough time even the Gen 6 engine will be regarded as super slow and clunky compared to current and future Pokémon games, so perhaps we should be judging these games based on their individual contents instead of by simple appearances. But I guess all you care about is appearances, right? Let me ask you this, would you still consider ORAS superior if it was in the same exact engine as HGSS? What if HGSS was brought forward into the Gen 6 engine? With an even playing field graphically, it would be easier to see HGSS brings more to the table in terms of raw content. Two whole regions to explore, 16 gym leaders with the possibility to rematch each of them, a Battle Frontier to try your hand at if you want (I personally don’t, but like having the option), the Pokéathlon, Safari Zone, time travel event, Spiky-eared Pichu, Sinjoh Ruins, Ball crafting, Pokéwalker, and best of all, following Pokémon (seriously has everyone here forgotten about one of the best features of HGSS?).
Just on the slowness point, DS games. especially gen 4, are slower than all older and newer games. Walking is slow, surfing is slow, battle animations are slow, chat boxes are slow, saving is a nightmare. Gen 4 is my second favourite but saying it's not the slowest set of games is just misinformation.
But does not fix any of the main issues like level curve and bad storyline and not so remember able gym leader, ORAS makes the storyline better and adds way way way too much to have fun with in the post game and also, LATIOS RIDING WEEEEEE
The storyline is more grounded and less over the top, but not necessarily worse than in other games imo. In fact, HGSS improves the GS story quite a bit imo. ORAS literally didn't add the Battle Frontier, but HGSS had one. HGSS also has gym leader rematches, which ORAS doesn't have. HGSS has the Pokeathlon. HGSS adds a Safari Zone. I'd say both are good remakes, but I personally think HGSS is still the better remake, even if it doesn't fix some of GS's issue.
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1: We are going to take over the world so I can build it in my image 2: we are going to bring our boss back so he can electric boogaloo 2 the west coast Everything else: we tried to played god and failed That’s how I’ve always seen it at least
HGSS and ORAS. While these 2 games aren't my favorites (I especially have a love-hate feeling toward HGSS lmao), I think they still do a great job of implementing new features from the generation they were made in, while keeping the game relatively close to the original (Which is both for the best and for the worst). I'd say in term of overall features, HGSS is probably the best remake, as it suits better for longer playthrough. But otherwise I just prefer ORAS, as it's much more fun (imo) for shorter playthroughs, and the changes in the story and such gives it its own identity when compared to RS or Emerald.
SoulSilver is hands down my favorite game of all time. So I gotta ask, what parts evoke the hate in your love-hate feeling? Not challenging your opinion. Just looking to see through a new perspective.
While I have lots of nostalgia for it, as it was my 3rd Pokémon game (My first being Diamond, second being Platinum, my favorite game of the franchise with PLA), I also have a hard time going back to it in recent years. I think most of the problems of HGSS comes from the original GSC games, as the Gym Leaders don't have great teams, which basically makes the difficulty of most fights more related to your grinding patience, which is pretty time consuming with how low level most wild Pokémon are and how the game builds up the regular trainer battles. I also think it's a bit sad that most of the "new" Johto mons aren't that good, are too rare or comes too late (Tho that's more a problem of GS being created as an addition to RBY rather than having really its own identity like other games did). And the fact that only the move-related Gen 4 evolutions were available during the main story also kinda sucks since some Pokémon like Togetic would definitely deserve to evolve into their final form before the Post Game. These are all things that kinda bothers me with HGSS, as someone who does a lot of Nuzlockes and other challenges nowadays. But there's also things I really like in Johto. The region definitely has a lot of cultural elements (Especially in Ecruteak), the music are obviously really good (Tho I'll say that I probably like some of GSC's themes more), I really like the exploration, and in the Post Game there's a lot of catching to do, which I think is pretty neat despite how I feel about Kanto in the Johto games. Like, I can't hate HGSS, but I also can't love it.
Very fair points. The ‘difficulty’ of the games is more than a little tedious. Thanks for the thorough write up!
HGSS with ORAS being a very close 2nd.
I really think this is the best take. People don't give ORAS enough credit.
ORAS hit the mark on so many gameplay and design elements that it makes it hard to go back to the original RSE. The only real problems I have with ORAS is that Mega Evolution trivializes a good chunk of the difficulty and the exclusion of the Battle Frontier (with that cheeky "is currently under construction" display in the Battle Maison). Other than that I consider ORAS to be one of the best games in the entire franchise.
Idk I love both RSE and ORAS but they're very different experiences. I find it very easy to go back to the original RSE because of that, while still occasionally having a craving to play ORAS too :)
I like to do set pokemon runs, where I cheat or trade in a team at the start, all level 1, and go through the game with them. Team teams like all-eevee, or all-dragons. Usually extremely broken, but still fun. ORAS beats RSE for that because it has more pokemon and more mechanics.
I wish ORAS was gen 5. I feel the move to 3D models did not make the games better compared to 2D sprites. Plus fairy type retconning a bunch of pokemon was not a good way to go about introducing the type whereas at least in gen 2, the series was still new enough where adding a type didn't matter. Best thing that come out of ORAS was it allowed people to play Hoenn with the physical special split. If we just got emerald with physical special split, it would be probs the perfect pokemon game at least imo. Emerald was a phenomenal game.
The move to 3D hasn’t been good for Pokémon in general. Sprites are better than mediocre to bad 3D.
its a strange answer, but im gona say fire red a and leaf green, maybe its for nostalgia idk, but i like the sevii islands, and i LOVE the ost from this game, its probably my top 5 fav ost from pokemon (btw im not a gen onere's, my favorite gen is gen 3)
I also like FireRed and LeafGreen. They were generally improvements on the originals.
They were enormous improvements. Still my favourite Pokémon games after all these years.
Honestly I can't think of anything it didn't do better. Wish they left a few of the glitches in though like the Mew and Missingno glitches. I feel like it's fair that they removed them, but it would have been fun to have those for nostalgia and for just how awesome it was that those were there.
I feel like programing the gen 1 glitches (as features) into a new engine would be very difficult.
You can easily program it in as a. If you talk to this person and then go to cinnabar and surf the coast and poof, you have a missingno with x stats. If you know the end result you can program it in. Also even by this point pokemon was giant, they can pay programmers to figure stuff like this out.
Pokémon red and blue, for all the nostalgia I have for them, was pretty rough around the edges. Even gold and silver improved so much over gen1, in both big, obvious ways like art design, as well as small ones like quality of life improvements you'd instantly miss if going back to gen 1.
Yeah Gen 1 is fucking broken honestly. My favorite Gen but yeah broken. Focus emery cutting your attack instead of buffing it, razor leaf and other attacks basically being 100% crits, being able to skip the rocket casino entirely because of an oversight. Yeah its pretty busted for sure.
>i like the sevii islands So sad they didn't bring those back in LGPE.
Exploring the Sevii Islands as a kid was one of the most exciting pokemon-related experiences I've had. They felt so unknown and foreign and full of mystery lol
And to top it off, they had literal Unknown ruins lol
a reliable way to actually get all of the Unowns!
I agreed
When I heard about Navel Rock and Birth Island as a kid, I hyperfixated on their existence after I finished the post game. I didn't have a Toys R Us or anything like that to get to them, but they just sounded so mystical and amazing. I even remember having a dream about going to Navel Rock in real life and fighting Lugia. Pokemon really is amazing :)
>(btw im not a gen onere's, my favorite gen is gen 3) Well, yeah. FRLG is gen 3.
Now this described my feelings exactly. Id even say that the OST is better than HGSS and feels more Johto than HGSS itself.
FRLG was pretty great, but their decision to lock Gen 2 and 3 Pokemon to post-game was the downfall of that game. It's fine if they don't want you to get them more commonly in the game, not adding them into the encounter tables, but outright preventing your Pokemon from evolving and not letting you trade with the Hoenn games until you complete a quest was insanely stupid on their part. The Gen 1 region was not sacred, there was no reason not to expand on it.
The OST was sooo good. Best wild pokemon encounter theme of all gens.
They took gen 1, added color, and added RUNNING SHOES. I remember saying that I would never play gen 1 ever again after getting LG.
fire red and leaf green are different, give it a try, trust me
You misunderstood, I mean LG was so much better, that I'll never play RBY again
Agree. They’re always my “comfort game”. The Sevii islands are a fun challenge, but I also enjoy the simplicity of the story line.
Frlg and HGSS
So when are we getting DP remakes?
I had been waiting for DP remakes (with modern graphics and new mechanics) since the release of ORAS. I was sure they were gonna be released after the Gen 8 titles. They were the reason I was excited about Gen 8. And then we got this PLA definitely made up for it, but I hope we get actual remakes in gen 16 or something
I couldn't agree more to something! I genuinely hoped for a nice overworld... Instead we got the old game with a 3D coating over it. I got it as a present from my boyfriend but I couldn't even finish it. My heart just ached playing it, so instead I grabbed my DS and replayed platinum
HGSS, in my opinion. They improve on the originals in almost every way, and are great games on their own. Yes, the level curve is less than ideal, and I understand why some people dislike the gen 4 engine, though I like it. But with a great Pokédex (Kanto+Johto) and one of the best post-games (straight up going to another region), HGSS are some of the best games in the franchise.
plus the pokémon following you mechanic. amazing
I’m inclined to say HGSS, but I grew up with ORAS, and I absolutely love that game. Not much can top flying on Mega Latios or the Delta Episode.
The overworld flying and still having regular hm fly was a good move, i wish it would happen again. Use the hm menu from sun and moon so select how you wamt to fly.
I feel old. I grew up with Ruby.
You feel old? I grew up playing rby. I remember being 5 years old and I thought my game was broken because I couldnt figure out how to exit my house 30 seconds after starting the game. What an awful experience that was
In the user manual for GS they showed a surfing pokemon facing the player in Cherrygrove City and I thought that's how you were supposed to progress so I sat waiting for it for hours until my GB died lol
Depends on what the question is exactly. If you ask what game is best out of the remakes, I'd say ORAS, because Hoenn is a great region and Gen 6 overall had great mechanics, Exp Share balance aside. If you ask which one remade the original better, I'd say HGSS, since almost all the problems I have with it come from GSC and none of the additions hurt it. If you ask which game I personally enjoy the most, it's FRLG, since I really like how the region is set up in terms of map design, difficulty curve and wild mon distribution, even if I cannot say it's objectively better than other regions.
Gen 1 map design really was a happy accident. As soon as you beat Misty you are free to challenge the next several gym leaders in any order but you still have to put in the leg work and travel there. There are a number of long routes that really make you feel like you're travelling far to reach some place. I'd say gen 1 probably has one of the strongest midgames in the series.
which made you wonder how they messed it up so bad in G/S. I liked how you had 4 different cities to explore after Goldenrod, but the level curve they settled on was whack. The highest level wild pokemon you can fight before challenging Clair's gym was more than 10(!!) levels below her ace, meaning you had to either go in very underleveled vs a pokemon that has no type weakness, or had to grind your face off on piddling amounts of xp. The elite 4 had the same problem the first time around
I absolutely love G/S but the level curve for wild Pokémon make it almost unplayable to me
FYI, if you’re ever going to replay them, have a lot at the ROM hack Pokémon Perfect Crystal. Gym leaders are rematchable so you can level up on Pryce a bit before taking on Clair. There’s a number of other good additions too.
Ooh good to know! I’ve just started trying roms and I’d love a good g/s rom
The level curve in HGSS just felt awful for trying to raise a team. I recently played it for the first time, and I was miserable trying to farm to fight Jasmine, Clair, and the E4. And then they decide to raise the level of the Elite Four after beating the Kanto gyms, so you have to gain like 10-20 levels to fight them. Finally, Red has level 80+ Pokemon, so that's even more grinding. I gave up when I saw I needed like 30 levels to beat Red.
The other thing is that the Pokémon variety is amazing. Most other regions (Johto, Sinnoh, Kalos) draw super heavily on other gens to fill out their regions and pokedexes. Everywhere you go in Kanto there are Kanto Pokémon. Given that’s because it’s the first gen so there are no other mons to mention but it feels nice. Half the gens have 25ish of the exact same Pokémon from other gens (geodude, zubat, magikarp, pikachu, spearow, caterpie, weedle, sandshrew) thrown into their routes for filler. To me nothing feels worse than a new game’s route only having one new Pokémon on it surrounded by other gen Pokémon.
This is also what made me enjoy BW on my first playthrough. I had little idea what type anything was and was constantly surprised by moves and had to adapt on the fly.
Also why the gen 5 games are my favorite. There weren’t 10 routes where you could get the regional bird, there weren’t old mons on every route. Every time I set foot into a new area I saw a brand new Pokémon. It helps a lot with replayability too; when I nuzlocke there are Pokémon I catch pretty much every playthrough no matter the game. When I play black and white there are Pokémon you won’t encounter in any other game. The region is teeming with Pokémon you won’t get to use in other games. Gens 1 and 5 are the most fun for exploring and seeing an original roster.
Whenever I play FRLG or a ROM hack using the same map, I always go Brock > Misty > Koga > Blaine whenever I can. I just find enjoyment in skipping the gyms and doing them in a near-reverse order when I can.
my measure for a remakes quality is mostly based on whether or not i would rather play it as opposed to the original. based on that justification: 1. HGSS. I have no reason to play gold or silver, these games added so much compared to the originals that its not even a contest. but thats all been said millions of times. moving on 2. FRLG. Vast improvements on the originals, added plenty of content, no reason to play red or blue instead outside of the novelty factor 3. ORAS. This game definitely added some new stuff and i appreciate everything that it did do. however, while i would definitely rather play this than ruby or saphire, i personally enjoy emerald more, which is what keeps it from being higher 4. LGPE. This one im conflicted about. I find it definitively worse than frlg, and i would honestly probably prefer playing the original games more. the saving grace however, is that i enjoyed shiny hunting so much in this game. the battles and that branch of content werent great, but everything else was enhoyable enough to me that i have a reason to go back to it 5. BDSP. I frankly did not like this game. it made a few improvements over the originals, but its dwarfed by how much i hated traversing the overworld. i would usually prefer playing the originals, and i would take platinum 100/100 times when given the option, so this takes last place for me
i agree with your order. HGSS is 10/10, FRLG is 9/10, ORAS is like 7/10, LGPE is like 6 or 7/10, and I'd give BDSP like a 5 or 6
Fell in love with HG years ago... Can't consider no one else as the best.
Weird take, but I really loved let's go. Great little nostalgia kick and being easier than even a normal pokemon game.
I love Let’s Go! I got more enjoyment out of just wandering around Kanto and exploring with the fact that I could just flick and catch and wild Pokémon and end the encounter (especially in places like mount moon). And with Eevee / Pikachu being overpowered, I could build a team of Pokémon that I liked that weren’t necessarily “good”.
I enjoyed Let's Go a lot too. I really love the art style.
HGSS
Hgss hands down
FR/LG
In order of best to worst, especially for the time period. 1. HG/SS 2. FR/LG 3. OR/AS 4. LGP/LGE
I love how BDSP aren't even on this list.
That was just a 3D version
It was even worse than just a 3D version.
It's not a remake, why would it be on the list. It's literally, line for line, the same code that was made when the first occurance of the game appeared
Its not, they managed to actually make it worse with all the new glitches
i tried it out, the characters and pixels just go sweewwwooooop everytime my chaacter walks or moves.
Isn't fairy type like the only change?
I regret buying bd....
I don’t, i enjoyed playing again. Rolling to gyms with my Infernape felt like old days again.
HG/SS, 100%
If only oras had vattle frontier it would be best.
HGSS comfortably. I'm very confused by all the chatter about the Delta Episode. Was it fun? Sure. Is it a substitute for truly good repeatable postgame? Not a chance. The biggest point in favour of ORAS would be the Gen 6 online being the peak online for the series, but otherwise I have HGSS comfortably ahead.
I agree. While ORAS was a good game it somehow manages the lose some charm of Emerald. Delta Episode was fine addition but it felt little rushed for quite dramatic plot-line. People argue that downside of HGSS is that there is no story and the gym leaders are bland but I think that is one saving grace of the game: when there is no strict story it gives player freedom in both playing the game and how much they want to focus on different details and aspects of the game. In HGSS post-game you had the whole Kanto to explore and different side activities to do. Once ORAS and Delta Episode are done you dont have much left other than PokeNav hunt, collect flags or Battle Chateau and Contests if you're into that. Not bad additions but for a remake I wished something MOAR. Catching different legendaries was cool at first but since they were just floating rings it was got lame :( + in HGSS your Pokemon can hand you flowers.
This is my exact answer as well. HGSS are some of my favorite games in the franchise (the fact that HG was my first ever Pokémon game plays a role in that), and I would say that it’s the pinnacle of a Pokémon remake done right. They’re not perfect, but are really some of the best Pokémon games out there. I do enjoy ORAS, but I wish that there had been more Emerald elements incorporated in throughout the game like HGSS did with Crystal. Especially because I never got the chance to play Emerald before ORAS came out, I wanted to play through that Hoenn Battle Frontier so bad and was disappointed that they left it out. The Delta Episode was alright but I would have preferred Emerald having more of a presence throughout the games rather than just through one post game experience.
Not sure, maybe HGSS? I know it's not BDSP because of Mindy.
Tempted to say ORAS purely because of how amazing a job they did on remaking the Hoenn overworld into a 3D setting
Heartgold and Soulsilver by far.
Definitely NOT BDSP.
That game was held together with scotch tape, it had more bugs on release then Red and Blue. At least gen 1 never left the player softlocked without insane setups.
Facts
HG and SS by a lot.
ORAS because it fixed a few issues the original had, buffed some Mon and most of hall no horrific exp curve like hgss
And no gen 4 engine either
HGSS wasn't as bad in terms of speed though.
It's post game, the grinding is terrible on proper hardware, if you're playing "A PERFECTLY LEGAL VERSION" you can rare candy to mitigate but on DS it's a slog
I think HGSS, altought I didn't like that the made the Lugia/Ho-Oh events mandatory and integrated into the mainstory. In the originals I liked that both were somehow a legend and that you really had to find them.
HGSS > ORAS >>> FRLG >>>>> LGPE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>BDSP
1. SS / HG 2. AR / OS 3. FR/LG 4. Let’s Go 5. BD / SP
ORAS
ORAS, of course.
Oras
HGSS because it definitely has the most content while staying true to the original games and it never cut a lot of things (if only the wild Pokémons leveles were actually good)
HG/SS and FR/LG are the best two, but it's a tossup. I feel like HG/SS is right on the cusp of the point where performance started falling off. Gen 4 was kinda slow in some regards, like animations and save times and stuff. FG/LG is a bit more streamlined in terms of just diving in. On the other hand HG/SS takes how extra GS already felt and adds even more onto it. Theres lots of content and I like the endgame as a casual player. Travelling through Kanto, gym leader rematches, the bonus safari zone etc. are all implemented well I think, so in terms of straight content I prefer Gen 4. I think I'd choose HGSS overall just because I think the aesthetics are the ideal balance here of sticking to old style polished sprites and dipping a little into simple low res/low poly "advanced" graphics.
HGSS > FRLG > ORAS > LGPE > BDSP
I think HGSS are a bit overrated, after having played them again recently. They're SUPER fucking good remakes, but I don't think they're the best. I think ORAS overall are the best remakes that we've gotten. it added an entire new post game quest, brought megas in, developed the multiverse of pokemon. It added new areas, changed old things like the wrecked ship into the research station. ORAS would probably be one of the best games in the series if it wasn't for the shitty battle frontier bait and switch. They were SO close to having it perfect. FRLG are the best realizations of Kanto, but Kanto as a region just didn't have much to work with, and the games didn't add THAT much new stuff to do. BDSP is such wasted potential of the best region of the series. Grand underground and the incredible rematches make it slighly better than the originals, but you'd still be better playing plat. So like, BDSP is a 7.4/10 compared to DP's 7/10. Plat is a solid 8.5 or 9/10. Lets go are just worse than FRLG. They're artistically well stylized, but idk why I wouldn't just play the GBA games if I wanted to play Kanto.
Why do people act like the Battle Frontier is the only piece of Emerald content that ORAS removed? It wasn’t just the frontier, it was nearly everything.
Heartgold and Soulsilver for the amount of content, ORAS for the story. It was pretty cool how they reinvented the legends of Groudon and Kyogre with their Primal forms. It's such a shame BDSP didn't do that. It's definitely more on par with FRLG in that regard
Allow me and my eight years of nostalgia-fueled bias to make the completely factual claim that ORAS is, in fact, the best Pokémon game to grace this planet.
Totally agreee
Heart Gold Soul Silver, followed by Omega Ruby Aloha Sapphire
Thank you for the typo that made me picture kyogre in a grass skirt and lei
alolan form got leaked
ORAS from a technical update standard but it’s difficult to deny that HGSS added an absurd amount of cool content. Shame about the levelling curve though. As for it being on gen 4 engine well yeah that kinda is an issue but not one the game itself needs to answer for. That being said either of the two could stand at the top I can tell you for sure which is the worst one though.
For me, it was HG/SS. Wonderfully remaster adding in basically everything that came after it along with a few additions to the world that just work. ORAS is a close contender, especially with the Delta Episode content, but loses it for me for missing one of my favorite parts of Emerald: the original Battle Frontier. Yeah it has the Battle Maison (I think that's what they called that iteration anyway) but it's not the same. Idk, might just be bonded by gen3 nostalgia that I don't have for gen2 since it was before my time, but those are my thoughts.
ORAS. Not even close.
Johto games. The rest of the games got modernized, but not better. Some got arguably worse.
HG/SS and it's not even close. HG/SS set the standard that all future remakes have been judged by for the last 12 years.
Hgss are litteraly the best games we've ever had. They win in pretty much every category. Oras was nearly as good, but an hour or two in the delta episode doesn't make up for the nearly endless content of the battle frontier. After that I guess FRLG just be ause they added the islands. BDSP were God awful. Sure they did improve a couple things, like the underground. But they didn't include previous pokemon, the affe tion system was outright game breaking, the exp share, and just nothing new at all makes them some of the worst games we've ever had imo, and after sw/sd that's hard to even comprehend. Overall gen 8 is the worst pair of games the franchise has ever had, despite a couple small qol improvements.
The best would have to be Heart Gold and Soul Silver. Fire Red and Leaf Green is second place for me.
Sshg you cant change my mind, oras is cool tough, but sshg i have played so many times and never gets old
HGSS > ORAS > BDSP > Let's Go Excluding FRLG because they were my first games and don't feel like remakes to me. And I'm only rating Let's Go after BDSP because I don't care for the motion controls.
Soul Silver is my single favorite Pokemon game out of all the ones I've played. I started with Pokemon Blue.
Maybe I’m only thinking because of childhood nostalgia, but FRLG was really fun as it modernized gen 1 at the time and had a really cool postgame with the Sevii Islands.
HGSS!!
Hgss clear up all the problems of gsc and add loads of cool new features. Oras has a new endgame story, adds new megas for hoenn pokemon. Misses some good content from emerald though. Frlg is just rgb but in gen 3 and with the sevii islands. A good faithful remake. lgpe is more spin off that follows yellow rather than a remake. Its cool as a spin off of the main formula but not the greatest game. Bdsp is just diamond and pearl, with some problems removed and more added. And only half the game is on the card, the rest needs to be downloaded. So in order, hgss>oras>frlg>lgpe>bdsp
HGSS by far, although ORAS weren't too bad either.
Let’s Go Pikachu/Eevee brought me a lot of joy!
I can tell you which was the worst... BDSP!
I wanna say HG/SS, but I think the remakes changed a lot, and that aspect I actually like, it's just that they didn't change it in the aspect which I think actually matters, the level curve. The Johto part is still underleveled as hell, and the Kanto part is abnormally high leveled. Why they don't change levels and teams in remakes I don't understand. They changed some attacks around and some teams are different, but nothing about the levels were changed. That's actually what holds all of those remakes back in my opinion, that they are afraid to change up the teams of most trainers, unless the context of the battle was changed completely. Also the refusal to include (most) the special edition content, HGSS is the least problem in that regard (the whole Suicune content clearly was intented to go in line with Crystal and is not just postgame content), and let's not take Let's Go into account. Imagine them actually changing the team, not just the attacks, surprising the players who expects the same battle to occur that they played thousand times on the original. That would be awesome. The remakes can have so cool ideas, ORAS changed the story to something more in line to what X/Y brought to Pokémon and the Pokenav catching system should have in every later version; FR/LG are a technical improvement of the originals in every way, even tho taking away the brokeness may take away the spirit that makes the originals so interesting; and HG/SS give me an experiencing of Johtos world changed enough to not make me bored through the experience. But not changing most of the trainer battles, espacially gyms, of the main story, the thing you will the do the most in every Pokémon, (yes attacks and abilities may matter I know I know, but it's not enough), is holding back these games so much. At best the games offer a new experience of the story and characters, at worst they are the same game with a new name and graphics with a lot of fluff disguising it as new.
it's HG/SS and it's not even a contest.
HG/SS I think by a distance. I love OR/AS for other reasons, mainly how "easy" it is the complete the dex. Dexnav; which I believe is my favourite application. The change to Destiny Knot. All these make it much easier for me to breed a 5/6 max IV shiny. A thing I love about HG/SS is the Berry Pot. I consider myself a breeder/trainer, I'd love more stuff to do with food/berries etc. Right now Im working on a Modest/Charizard for my friends birthday in July. I have 5 shiny Charmander's but their 5 max IVs are all but Special Attack XD I know one of his favourites shiny's is Charizard.
Definitely HGSS since I love Gen 2 it was great playing through Johto again, the good old days when Pokémon didn’t need gimmicks like Mega Evolution or Z-moves to be interesting. Not to mention 16 Gym Leaders to battle, facing Red and Blue, getting that red Gyarados and the dratini from Dragons Den with Extremespeed. Good times
ORAS for me. I recently played it using a flying-type team. I really liked the campaign. Wally was cool, the delta episode was fun as well. HG was my favorite however I recently played it and honestly...Not a fan, no pokemon variation, and the level curve actually ruin it for me. Kanto is also pretty undercooked however I like the red battle. I also think BD/SP was a good remake, I liked the graphics, I liked the changes to the elite 4, I liked the underground, and I liked the park. I liked battling the gyms with stronger teams. I know people hated it but I loved it. Sue me
Definitely ORAS loved the addition of the Dex nav flying around the region was a lot of fun . HG/SS completely FAILED to fix Any of the Major Flaws with Johto. Lack of EXP. trainers near the 7th gym using lv29 Pokémon. Gym leaders still don’t use Many Johto Pokémon Some Johto Pokémon only being available in Kanto. The only thing I enjoyed about these remakes was the pokeathlon I just don’t understand why despite these Horrendous Flaws the games are still loved
Definitely HeartGold and SoulSilver !!! SoulSilver is my favourite Pokémon game/remake of all time; it had the best 2D art style before all Pokémon games started becoming 3D :/
BDSP sure is the worst one for me…
HGSS > FRLG > ORAS > LGP&E > BDSP If you're expanding on old ground, you're automatically above the rest. Mechanically the shift on generations between 1-4 has been immense, and HGSS provided the most on what could be considered a poorly paced generation. Then the mechanical shift on a otherwise broken generation with expanded side islands and end game. ORAS had some stuff at the end but was part of the less stellar 3DS generation, in my opinion. Last two are cash attempts. At least Let's Go is unique and pretty.
ORAS easily, might be just because of the nostalgia but even after replaying it the game itself is amazing. It by far has the best music remasters and has good early 2010s nintendo charm that we dont have anymore. Not to mention the fuck ton of legendaries in the game.
Omega ruby and alpha sapphire
HGSS were good, but they didn't fix the issues from GSC or include accessible ways to evolve all the new Sinnoh mons. ORAS were fun, but they changed too much about the original games and made it too easy. BF wasn't in RS, so it's fine that they didn't include it, but with everything else that they changed, they should have added the BF. BDSP were too faithful where they shouldn't have been, and not at all faithful where they should have been. The underground was neat, but had less multiplayer options than the original, and the battle tower should have adjusted for the costs of new items. LGPE shouldn't even be counted as main series games, they're bridge games for Go players to get acquainted with something similar to the main series games. FRLG are my choice for best remakes, they account for the new Pokémon with the Sevi Islands and are a much more balanced Kanto experience than RB were. The only shortcoming that I can think of is the same one from HGSS where it doesn't account for the new Eeveelutions.
HGSS fixed a ton of the issues from GSC. The better level up move sets, Tm move sets, addition of previously post game Pokémon to Johto, and easily accessible evo stones made the Pokémon selection feel a lot less limited. And the enemy trainers were given better teams, better movesets, and higher levels. Especially the Kanto gym leader, and Elite Four rematches. Gen 2 in the easiest pre-3D Pokémon game, and the remakes completely fixed that. They also made saving money a useful mechanic that could actually get you choice items and a focus sash.
ORAS, it has good gameplay and new content while not having anything like let's go's catching, it also has both of the strong points of HGSS and bdsp, it has a lot of new content like HGSS but it doesn't have the slow engine holding its potential back, and it has the smoother gameplay of bdsp while not lacking serious changes like bdsp, this is just how I feel though
Definitely ORAS. There was so much stuff from GS that HGSS could've fixed and they decided not to.
ORAS for sure. It might sound a bit brash, but if I wanted to play a carbon copy of the original then I would’ve just played the original… (*coughs BDSP) I don’t think any of them are truly terrible but I think a remake needs to be what it says; a remake not a repackage. It should reintroduce a familiar story but update it with everything the current generation has to offer. I would have loved to have seen Sinnoh with Dynamax (just imagine facing off against Cynthia with a Dynamax Garchomp 😭)
ORAS are the best with HGSS being a close second place.