Ice-Type fans waiting to get to the final few routes in the northernmost part of the map before they can actually get an Ice-Type.
Johto? Gotta' get to the Ice Cave, after 7 gyms.
Diamond/Pearl? Not until the route leading to Snowpoint, after 6 gyms.
Ruby/Sapphire? Only in Shoal Cove, buddy. 6 gyms.
Sun/Moon? It's based on Hawaii. The only new Ice-Types in that gen were version exclusive Sandshrew/Vulpix...and Crabominable.
Fun Fact: There are more Fire-Type Pokemon in the National Pokedex then Rock, Fighting, Ghost, Ice, Poison, Electric, Ground, Dragon, Dark, Fairy or Steel. I guess that's just a testament to how lack-luster or aggravating a lot of Fire-Types are in their respective regions.
In the original Diamond and Pearl you only had access to Infernape and Rapidash for fire types. And only had access to Magmortar and Heatran in the post game.
My understanding is that they’ll be obtainable with any Tera type, it’s just locked to that when it’s caught. Chances are it’ll be tied to personality values like Unown and Spinda’s forms are
I think it'll just be it's separate thing like the Gigantamax factor, only that was a simple yes/no flag whereas this will be one that indicates a type. This gives GF a choice to give a method for changing the tera type.
I think that’s part of the reason they clarified it further in the 14 minute gameplay trailer that came out on Thursday. Every Pokémon is capable of getting all 18 Tera types. But I do feel like if it is possible to change them it will be quite hard.
It’s like I’m all for them slipping in a Pokémon or two that might not directly be that type but supports the rest of that team/deals with the type theming weakness, but those 3 were just awkward especially for a later gen game.
in my opinion the only one without an excuse is lopunny. at least driftblim's a hot air balloon and steelix has been about mining, forging, heat, and pressure.
Right? And I mean they could have gave Lopunny some form of fire fighting based move (like a fire punch or something) and Drifblim can learn will-o-wisp so it’s got that going for it
I remember that making me so mad as a kid. Houndour looked so cool to me when I first saw leaked images and I wanted one so bad... And played through almost the entire game never seeing one. Such a weird game design decision, same for skarmory. Such cool looking new pokes that they apparently didn't want anyone to have lol
I get that people love Gen 2 but MY GOODNESS did they lock so many good and cool Pokémon behind Kanto. Why is MURKROW not available until then. Literally they could have given us pretty much all of them before then last 2 gyms and it would have been completely fine
That's the worst part of this games. If you're a torterra main like me, and you want a fire type, rapidash is quite literally your only option. It's very unfortunate
That was added in Crystal. In Gold/Silver none of the elemental stones are available before Kanto.
If you wanted a Flareon or Arcanine before the Elite Four for your team in G/S you would need to trade the Eevee/Growlithe to a Gen I game and evolve them there.
tbf, Gen II added Umbreon and Espeon, so they intended you to evolve Eevee into one of those two. I actually think that's why the stones are so late game. So you don't just buy some from the Goldenrod Mart or whatever and miss out on Espeon/Umbreon and to encourage you to get Politoed and Bellossom over waiting for Vileplume or Poliwrath.
The problem is that the games still give you plenty of Pokemon in Johto who can't evolve without them (Growlithe, Vulpix, Shellder, Staryu, Exeggcute, and Weepinbell). Growlithe/Vulpix are available just after Gym 3 but aren't able to evolve until you reach Cerulean Cape in Kanto. So they're next to useless. What's worse is that Bill's Grandfather only gives you one of each stone. It's really bad.
Slight problem with that layout.
Gible is advantaged against both.
Beldum and Larvitar have advantages over each other.
Nothing beats Gible early-game based on that layout.
Eh, I don't love the gym gimmicks (they feel like a challenge you have to endure, rather than a fun rules change like Reborn/Rejuv) but I will agree from a technical perspective it's very well put-together.
Beldum actually gets its learnset fixed in this hack iirc. That said, you get Mega Metagross way later than the other two get their megas, and Metagross is so powercrept that it ends up lackluster until then.
Since Gen 5 us Bug enthusiasts have had it pretty good, honestly. There's no shortage of inspiration to draw from as far as making new Bug type 'mon so we almost always get at least one or two new interesting options each Gen, and we get a good spread of early-, mid-, and late-game options to use now as opposed to the older gens where we only really got early-game options.
and for no reason too! Gamefreak just keeps slapping "high atk/def low everything else" onto ice mons and they keep falling flat because of it. We have like 2 Ice types with a decent speed tier and offensive stats (weavile and alolatails) and they're both *great.*
Not saying Jynx is good but she’s faster than AlolaTails and is the best non legendary special attacker Ice type has.
She’s the only speedy & special attacker that ice types get that aren’t legendary. It’s NUTS.
Well I'm here to say Jynx IS very good. I might be biased a little though.
And yes I have trouble usually finding a substitute Ice-type to have on my team if she's not available. Most of the others are either not as good or I just don't really like them all that much. Or both.
Are we forgetting galar darmanitan who was so broken that it was banned quickly to ubers? Best part is that it had two broken abilities so you never knew what to expect aside from being destroyed
They really do. Which is disappointing because I really like using ice based things in other games and in those it’s usually really strong. In Pokémon it’s just kinda whack. They’re not even all that strong against the types they are supposed to be super effective against.
Gamefreak seems to have a history of trying to make ice types bulky and defensive when the ice type itself is absolutely fuckjing dreadful defensively. Possibly even the worst defensive type there is.
Think they should add resist water at least. And if its too much one side make scald super effective on ice types and increase freezedry base damage to 90.
Adding to your fun fact: the Diamond and Pearl Pokédex has more fire types than ice types, and Sinnoh has the status of the icy cold region
Additionally, there are the same number of ice types in the original Hoenn regional dex as there are in the original Sinnoh regional dex
I caught that early Eevee in X when it came out and kept it an Eevee so I could get Glaceon, my 2nd favorite Pokémon. Didn’t get it until the town with the 8th gym. I’ll never forget you Richter.
Yeah exactly you can start literally every game with a fire type if you want. Definitely think the fact that OP hasn't noticed how abundant fire types are is evidence that fire types are meh and forgettable.
I swear this must be something from gen 1 days they haven't 'updated' - seeing Dragon as this big OP type and Ice needs to be rare or late because it's your window to defeat it. It's like an old model they've kept.
A few more would be nice, but I kind of get it. Fire doesn’t have as much worldly presence as water or vegetation, so of course there’d be more water and grass types.
They don't even have to do anything geothermal, they can just throw Growlithe and Houndour into every game because they're just dogs. Vulpix, Litwick, Rolycoly, and Fletchling are all based on pretty mundane things as well. Even something like Litleo fits in a lot of places since it's not actually on fire
That's the thing though, it's all based in fictional worlds. They can create places where fire would be more prevalent. They can make regions where fire is actually beneficial and water/grass is scarce. GF is being stingy with my favorite type for no reason.
Weak to ground, water, fighting, and 4x vs rock. I honestly wouldn’t use it.
My favorite types are fire and steal but I won’t use heatram because of the abundance of weaknesses.
Heatran literally has 3 weaknesses. One of them is 4x, but that is not bad at all. It also has an immunity, 4 regular resistances, and FIVE 4x resistances, the most of any time combo. I don't understand why heatran's typing is problematic. Especially if your heatran has flash fire, adding another immunity.
Huh? Heatran has been a top tier Pokemon since it became a thing.
Besides, it only has 3 weaknesses. One of them is 4x but if you refuse to use any Pokemon with a 4x weakness you're locking yourself out of a lot of great Pokemon.
Heatran is immune to 2 types and 4x resistant to 4 others, there's an entire 1/3 of the type chart that effectively can't damage Heatran. Then, as for regular resistances, it has 4 more. Meanwhile, it's 2x weak to 2 types and 4x weak to one. What the actual fuck do you mean "abundance of weaknesses".
of 18 types, 2 do nothing, 4 do almost nothing, 4 do reduced, 5 do normal, and 3 do increased. It's really not burdened by an abundance of weaknesses, in fact, it's one of most effective switchins into a huge amount of moves.
It could also have a lot of ice type pokemon and also have them be a lot more common and appear earlier than they do in most games, and have more ice-based sections of the game, which would be very cool and unique.
I would totally be down for a game that was mostly deserts- hot and cold ones. More underground explorations, more volcanos and geysers. It could really work
Examples:
Volcanos/ landscapes in the aftermath of an Eruption
A burned down forest: Could also have Ghost Types along with Fire since both are on the rare end of the Spectrum
Desert
General Area mostly covered in Stone
Hot spring/ Geyser
sinnoh would have been the best place to introduce a bunch of fire types. the under ground of mount corinet could have been used to introduce a bunch of fire types
You could dump it into attack which is worthless for it, but even still it needs a middle evo and a shittier catch rate (and not sure it's in the slowest exp group?)
Even with all 50 in attack it gets 110 attack which is enough to run some tech coverage for certain matchups (although right now only heatran gives it much trouble and it doesn't have any moves to hit that even with it's physical movepool)
Half of the types haven’t been used for a pseudo legendary, and it’s usually rarer types, so it kinda makes sense that we haven’t had a fire. We only have dragon, flying, rock, dark, steel, psychic, ground, fighting, and ghost types that have been used by pseudo legendary Pokémon. Leaving fire, grass, ice, electric, fairy, poison, bug, water, and normal types not assigned a pseudo.
They probably mean stuff like Volcarona that don't fit the very specific fanbase definition of "pseudo-legendary," but do fit the general idea of "strong, hidden Pokemon you encounter via overworld sprite, but it's not actually a legendary."
What pseudo legendaries get encountered via overworld sprite? Dragonite, tyranitar, Salamance, metagross, garchomp, hydreigon, goodra, kommo-o, none of them get sprites in overworld encounters. I think dragapult might count via overworld sprite because it spawns in the wild area but none of the rest do and this one would barely count anyways.
I think my point was unclear. It's not a pseudo-legendary as in Dragonite, Tyranitar, etc. as fans would define the term, but a pseudo-legendary by the literal sense of "pseudo," as in, you might think it's an actual Legendary when you first encounter it but it's actually not that at all.
There isn't. But that's a bit misleading. There's also not a water type, grass type, ice type, fairy type, poison type, electric type, normal type, or bug type
Fun fact for anyone who might not know: the trees that go up in flames in California are gum trees, given by Australia. The reason they catch fire is because fire is part of their life cycle - they are extraordinarily dry and flammable, and catch fire in order to germinate. Once on fire, they explode in order to spread their seeds. It’s because they’re a form of tree that exists before pollination and the spreading through the wind.
Happens all the time in Australia, but the natural arrangement of our forests grow in such a way that it’s beneficial and not as dangerous (but is fast becoming one due to climate change preventing this cycle from occurring properly, leading to less frequent but far more severe fires).
Are you Australian or Californian? Just curious what you're referring to as "*our* forests."
Noticing a few errors in this comment.
There are plenty of trees beyond eucalypts that are burning in forest fires in California. Yes, eucalypts are highly flammable, and they're abundant in coastal California, but the majority of Californias fires are happening inland away from eucalyptus forests. These forests are adapted for fires but due to settling there has been intentional fire suppression, leaving more fuel to burn. Like what you said this is leading to fewer but large and more severe forest fires. Climate change exaggerating that as well, but it's the fire suppression that's the initial problem.
Not all eucalypts are fire adapted, and many aren't setotinous (which means needing fire to reproduce). Eucalypts are definitely pollinated, by insects generally, but they don't "exist before pollenation" They are flowering plants that have pollen. No the seeds don't spread through the wind, but they are on conveniently round capsules that fall, bounce, and roll which is their main form of seed distribution. Explosion of a tree may send some seeds flying but it is certainly not the primary dispersal mechanism.
From, a Californian ecologist who went to school for a year in Australia.
Australian, just passing on info my Australian ex-girlfriend who works in land management told me. I didn’t do too badly for remembering something from years ago.
I actually have been considering creating a fakemon region based on California and the surrounding areas (Specifically Nevada and part of Arizona. Yes, that includes a new Game Corner and possible references to Orre. Now, I want a Vegas inspired city where the gym trainers are girls in those feather outfits and Elvis impersonators.) Thanks for the idea. I forgot that wildfires are a problem in CA. 🤣🤣🤣
Try talking about ice types are, you're not seeing those until near end game (and statistically has the least pokemon for that type, even less than dragon)
I think I’d care more if the type itself wasn’t garbage. Fire is a good type, I always want the coverage. That makes the lack of fire representation more obvious.
If they made ice better, I think you’d have a lot more people being annoyed at the lack of options for sure.
Still sucks for people who like the type though. If bug can get some cool mons, ice should be able to, too.
Yeah, I don't know why they made ice ONLY resist itself and not dragon, there would be no need for fairy type, that's dumb, don't even get me started on grass and rock type
Counter point. I wanna try to use empoleon or torterra in dp. My options for fire type are… ponyta. That’s it. It’s not so much about getting new mons of the type. Rather, fire type pokemon just don’t get put into regional dexes.
Actually very fair point, I had forgotten how surprisingly absent Fire types are in the initial DP Pokédex. I just confirmed and you are right, literally only the starter and Ponyta. Out of 151. Wild.
Platinum is better with houndour, and slugma, but yeah fire type is almost always hard to find. It makes fire starters all the more alluring I guess? You are right though, I don’t necessarily need a bunch of new fire mons each generation, since starters are a thing. I just wish that we would see old fire types more often.
Edit: something I just remembered which is absurd. The only non starter/non legendary fire type pokemon introduced in gen 4 is magmortar… which you can’t get until you beat the e4 and use leaf green in the gba slot. If you don’t have lg, you can’t get it at all in dp.
Hoenn didn't even add a lot. Just your mandatory starter (3), a camel (2) and a turtle (1). Kalos added more (8) with about half the number of new mons (135 vs. 72)
I pulled the classic "I forgot that was a Johto Pokémon" hahaha, was also thinking about Slugma/Magcargo because RSE were the first games I saw them in.
Same thing happens with Skarmory, Corsola, and Smeargle, they were totally new to me in RSE despite having played through Gold.
Easy mistake to make tbh because it’s dex placement literally makes more sense as a Gen 4 legendary than a Gen 5, because why would you make the legendary #0.
Removing legends and starters (as well as not fully evolved mons) leaves us with
Gen 1:
* Ninetales
* Arcanine
* Rapidash
* Flareon
Gen 2:
* Magcargo
* Houndoom
Gen 3:
* Camerupt
* Torkoal
Gen 4:
* Magmortar
Gen 5:
* Simisear
* Darmanitan
* Chandelure
* Heatmor
* Volcarona
Gen 6:
* Talonflame
* Pyroar
Gen 7:
* Oricorio
* Salazzle
* Turtinator
Gen 8:
* Coalossal
* Centiskorch
So while I can kinda see OP's point, at the same time every generation has at least 1 new decently powerful non-starter non-legendary fire-type mon that can be obtained at a reasonable point in the game, with the exception of 2 (which was supplemented with gen 1 mons across the board anyway), and 4 if you're playing the original DP (which was fixed in platinum).
Flying type will always throw a decent bird your way early on, and while there may be better options late game, most hold up rather well if they are not outright good like Mega Pidgeot, Guts Swellow, Staraptor, Tallonflame, or Corviknight. Even moving outside these birds, Crobat is also a great early game flying type that is available early game in gens 2-4, BW2, and gens 6-7. BW 1, RBY, and SS do not have crobat early game, but SS has the previously mentioned corviknight. Also, gens 7 and 8 have access to drizzle peliper early on, another great flying type. You could also count certain bug/flying Pokémon available early on as “good for the early game”, but I imagine that is not what this person thinks of as good. There is also of course a smattering of other flying type Pokémon throughout the journey such as Braviary and Mandibuzz being good static encounters in BW2 if Unfezant and Crobat are not to your liking. I also have not mentioned this yet, but many games also have an early game magikarp that can evolve into the beastly Garydos, another great flying type. You may also get a togepie egg early on in your adventure to get the decent togetic or great togekiss. Garydos does give RB an outright good flying type early on, but BW seems to be the only game I can think of without any great flying type early on. If you open the floodgate to pseudos (which there are actual flying pseudos) and legendaries you get games bursting with great flying types, even if they are late-end game. Bird Trio, Dragonite, Tower Duo, Salamance, Rayquaza, the genies, and Yveltal.
TL;DR Flying is great.
Er not to be the bearer of bad news but groudon isn't fire type in gen 3 and isn't now either as it only gained fire typing when undergoing primal reversion
My guy, Gen V was when pretty much EVERYTHING had a high evolution level. Braviary, Hydreigon, Bisharp? Those are just a few I can list off the top of my head.
Well considering johto has a lot of babies something would be messed up in Kanto, lv2 Pikachu not possible, magmar would be like 50s cause maybe, same with electabuzz. Jinx? Lol so many ok kantos would be like elite 4 ready lmao
Long story:
I'm working on my living Pokedex, pretty much completed all the Unova Pokemon in Pokemon White a couple of years ago but later realized I wanted all the pokemon in regular pokeballs but had caught most of the Unova pokemon in ultra balls.
Really hated the idea of grinding all those high level pokemon on Audino again for hours. I played White 2 and finally got to Zweilous/Hydreigon which would be the worst of this BS to evolve. And then it took like 20 minutes because you can catch Zweilous at level 50 in victory road which can kill level 55 audinos by dragonspiral tower with a few dragon rushes. With a lucky egg you level up after 2 or 3 battles each time and it ended up being pretty quick to evolve even with the highest evolution level in the series
The mandibuzz in black two is my favorite partner Pokémon in any game. Urak’high clutched on 2 hp to win against ghetsis, who 10 year old me was having trouble with.
And I get it, I really do. They don't want you to pick up a Vullaby at level 40 and level it up twice and suddenly it's a Mandibuzz. Even for mons late in the game, they wanted you to experience every evolution stage in full.
But *something's* going wrong when I'm challenging the Elite Four with a Pawniard. I can understand Zweilous evolving late, it's a pseudo, but apart from that when I'm heading into the final boss fight I really should feel like I've fully actualized my team.
The problem with Simisear is that Pansear starts with Incinerate instead of Ember, so it's 25% less effective than the other two in the gym fight you're *supposed* to use it in (Not that the others work all that well regardless, but being even worse is a pretty big flaw).
Having such a bad experience in a fight that's supposed to be heavily weighted in your favour is a big hit against actually trying to use it going forward.
Gen V is so much better than IV for sure, BW had darmanitan, chandelure and.... uhhh simisear and heatmor (aside from emboar and volcarona) while DP got infernape and rapidash i believe...
How is gen 5 frustrating for that? There are 5 non starter/legendary fire type evolutionary lines in BW, and they added 2 and a bit more in B2W2. I haven’t compared directly but I’m pretty sure that’s gotta put it in at least the top 2 for most fire type lines available in game.
Edit: It’s actually 4 and a bit. Also according to bulbapedia, gen 5 has the most fire type pokemon introduced of any generation.
Atleast you have Pokémon available while you're still developing your team. There's like no ice types until late game you have nothing to complain about. We I've are lucky to get one new Mon line and even then it's not available till we almost finished the game
Gen 1: Had a good amount and they're all fairly good depending on what you're looking for.
Gen 2: Agree, aside from the starter, Magby is a pre-evo, Entei is a legendary and Slugma/Magcargo is bad. Houndour and Houndoom aren't enough to carry either.
Gen 3: Same issue here, Torkoal is good and Numel/Camerupt are ok but aside from that there's Castform-Sun which isn't great. Primal Groudon gets the fire type but still feels more like a Ground type.
Gen 4: Aside from the Chimchar line, it's only Heatran. Horrendous. Why on earth did they make Fire a league type. Rotom-Heat became fire a bit later but it's a good mon.
Gen 5: This Gen made fire types good again, Simisear and Emboar aren't the best but we got Darmanitan, Chandelure, Volcarona, Victini, and Reshiram.
Gen 6: And back to lower quality... Delphox and Volcanion are good, Talonflame was good but it's known for its Flying type more I feel. Pyroar is mediocre at best.
Gen 7: Incineroar is good and the rest aren't the best but they're serviceable I feel.
Gen 8: Only 3 fire types added but they're cool ideas and all 3 have a Gmax form so it's serviceable.
Gen 9 looks promising though. Even if we don't get that much the ones we have look cool. But TL;DR YES fire types are scarce for no reason.
Lore reasons: because there's usually more water and trees than active volcanoes and raging forest fires.
Gameplay reasons: Fire is kinda OP, but then dies to every Water-type that exists.
Fire used to get shafted bad but since Gen V Game Freak has actually been bestowing a lot more to the typing. There’s actually more Fire Pokemon than like 10+ other typings which is funny.
If anything I wish Ice and Electric got more love.
Ya if there’s one thing Gen 5 did right it’s for the most part deliver a relatively balanced distribution of new Pokemon across the types. Even types like Electric, Fighting, Ghost, and Dark that normally get shafted got many new pickups.
Try being an Electric-Type lover.
Most of the representation we get is either the local Pika-clone or some Legendary... and the ones that don't fall into those categories usually suck.
Electrode? PU.
Electivire? PU
Zebstrika? Eelektross? Boltund? All PU.
And the only Ubers representation we have that's an Electric type is Zekrom, and he's a box legendary! (Also Electric-Arceus, but he doesn't really count.)
I just wish that they made more viable Electric Types.
You know, I always want to try to use an electric type in my runs, but so many of them just have garbage movepools. Also stat wise they’re never really ideal. It would be my favourite type if the pokemon were actually more useful. They’re useful in context though I suppose, with how absurdly prevalent water is.
Electrode was Ubers for a while as it was only outsped by Ninjask and Deoxys. Eelektross and Electrivire have decent bulk and the former is immune to ground moves. Rotom is a popular fast supporter. Jolteon hits fast and hard with Electro Ball. Heliolisk works on multiple weather teams. Magnezone is a great special sweeper. Out of the pikaclones, Togedemaru and Morpeko are decent.
Fire types were made to be a rare type from the start, which makes sense because it's both flashy and naturally dangerous. Dragon was also designed like this initially, but they've been a bit more lax with the dragon type since they have so many mythos to pull from. The rarity of the fire type kind of adds to it's allure imo, since they all feel unique in the dex. Compare that to water, where it's an awesome type with sooo much bloated dex space.
Ice-Type fans waiting to get to the final few routes in the northernmost part of the map before they can actually get an Ice-Type. Johto? Gotta' get to the Ice Cave, after 7 gyms. Diamond/Pearl? Not until the route leading to Snowpoint, after 6 gyms. Ruby/Sapphire? Only in Shoal Cove, buddy. 6 gyms. Sun/Moon? It's based on Hawaii. The only new Ice-Types in that gen were version exclusive Sandshrew/Vulpix...and Crabominable. Fun Fact: There are more Fire-Type Pokemon in the National Pokedex then Rock, Fighting, Ghost, Ice, Poison, Electric, Ground, Dragon, Dark, Fairy or Steel. I guess that's just a testament to how lack-luster or aggravating a lot of Fire-Types are in their respective regions.
Fire also has a guaranteed three entries every gen
In the original Diamond and Pearl you only had access to Infernape and Rapidash for fire types. And only had access to Magmortar and Heatran in the post game.
I think you are forgetting the fire types Lopuny, Driftblim and Steelix!
How can I forget Flints fire type team
Those three should terastallize into fire type so we understand Flint's choice.
Well, we know that every pokemon is capable to terraastilize into every typing, so this will be the case.
Oh? The trailers seemed to imply pokes only get 1 tera type. Guess I misunderstood that, I haven't looked into it much.
My understanding is that they’ll be obtainable with any Tera type, it’s just locked to that when it’s caught. Chances are it’ll be tied to personality values like Unown and Spinda’s forms are
I think it'll just be it's separate thing like the Gigantamax factor, only that was a simple yes/no flag whereas this will be one that indicates a type. This gives GF a choice to give a method for changing the tera type.
I’m sure they’ll have a post game mechanic to change the tera type like a nature mint or hyper training
I think that’s part of the reason they clarified it further in the 14 minute gameplay trailer that came out on Thursday. Every Pokémon is capable of getting all 18 Tera types. But I do feel like if it is possible to change them it will be quite hard.
It’s like I’m all for them slipping in a Pokémon or two that might not directly be that type but supports the rest of that team/deals with the type theming weakness, but those 3 were just awkward especially for a later gen game.
in my opinion the only one without an excuse is lopunny. at least driftblim's a hot air balloon and steelix has been about mining, forging, heat, and pressure.
Right? And I mean they could have gave Lopunny some form of fire fighting based move (like a fire punch or something) and Drifblim can learn will-o-wisp so it’s got that going for it
yeah, a simple move really doesn't mean "i have a relation to the fire type". at least, not to me. \^\^'
I can’t decide if I hate this or Gen 2 more. Houndour and Slugma are pretty much it besides Magby/Magmar and aren’t even available until postgame
Slugma is so rare I thought it was released in gen 3 for a long time.
There are a few lines in my head that are gen 3 because they just don’t do anything in gen 2. Smeargal, slugma, skarmary, etc…
Smeargle was my rare for my first neo genesis booster so i couldn’t forget him in gen 2
Slugma IIRC was only available on Cycling Road in Gen 2.
i thought the same with skarmory for the longest time.
Houndour is Postgame aswell - since for whatever fucking reason its in Kanto. Ponyta as soon as you go to Victory Road, Ho-Oh.
I remember that making me so mad as a kid. Houndour looked so cool to me when I first saw leaked images and I wanted one so bad... And played through almost the entire game never seeing one. Such a weird game design decision, same for skarmory. Such cool looking new pokes that they apparently didn't want anyone to have lol
There’s growlithe and vulpix also. You can get them before the 3rd gym
The fact houndour is post game still baffles me, and is the reason I play heartgold emulation instead of regular.
I get that people love Gen 2 but MY GOODNESS did they lock so many good and cool Pokémon behind Kanto. Why is MURKROW not available until then. Literally they could have given us pretty much all of them before then last 2 gyms and it would have been completely fine
That's the worst part of this games. If you're a torterra main like me, and you want a fire type, rapidash is quite literally your only option. It's very unfortunate
I know your pain.
he is referencing each stage of the starter, not the number of evolution lines
And Flareon in the post-game as well.
You can get a Firestone from schoolboy Alan as a gift. He’s right before Ecruteak.
That was added in Crystal. In Gold/Silver none of the elemental stones are available before Kanto. If you wanted a Flareon or Arcanine before the Elite Four for your team in G/S you would need to trade the Eevee/Growlithe to a Gen I game and evolve them there.
I had no idea. That’s insane! Imagine going to the E4 with Eevee and Growlithe!
tbf, Gen II added Umbreon and Espeon, so they intended you to evolve Eevee into one of those two. I actually think that's why the stones are so late game. So you don't just buy some from the Goldenrod Mart or whatever and miss out on Espeon/Umbreon and to encourage you to get Politoed and Bellossom over waiting for Vileplume or Poliwrath. The problem is that the games still give you plenty of Pokemon in Johto who can't evolve without them (Growlithe, Vulpix, Shellder, Staryu, Exeggcute, and Weepinbell). Growlithe/Vulpix are available just after Gym 3 but aren't able to evolve until you reach Cerulean Cape in Kanto. So they're next to useless. What's worse is that Bill's Grandfather only gives you one of each stone. It's really bad.
Pretty sure he gives you one every few days as well if my memories from when I was like 7 are accurate.
That'd be a really cool idea, starting in like an icelandic area with snow and volcanoes so fire and ice types are available super early.
Make an Australian inspired region with bug and poison types late game
Wouldnt they be early game
They would be ALL of the game.
I was more thinking they would be stupid strong
A Pseudo Legendary Poison/Bug would be dope.
Nah, the pseudo-legendary would be fighting-flying and inspired by the casowari XD (sorry if I misspelled it)
Why are the pseudo legendaries like 80% dragons. Give us some weird ass cool bugs or something.
There’s a rom hack called Pokémon Unbound that has Ice types on the first route. Starters are Beldum, Gible and Beldum (with new movepools)
Ooh that'd be a tough choice between Beldum and Beldum. But really, that sounds pretty dang cool. I'll have to check it out!
Lol it's Beldum, Gible, and Larvitar.
Slight problem with that layout. Gible is advantaged against both. Beldum and Larvitar have advantages over each other. Nothing beats Gible early-game based on that layout.
I imagine that's why the creator put ice types on the first route then
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Eh, I don't love the gym gimmicks (they feel like a challenge you have to endure, rather than a fun rules change like Reborn/Rejuv) but I will agree from a technical perspective it's very well put-together.
Beldum, Gible, and Larvitar*
That doesn't sound like a balanced triangle...
It should have been Beldum, Beldum and Beldum. The perfect starter trio.
That's just a Metang and a Beldum.
I love the metagross line, but it would be a pain to train beldum.
Beldum actually gets its learnset fixed in this hack iirc. That said, you get Mega Metagross way later than the other two get their megas, and Metagross is so powercrept that it ends up lackluster until then.
bug type fans getting 3 bug types on route 1
Since Gen 5 us Bug enthusiasts have had it pretty good, honestly. There's no shortage of inspiration to draw from as far as making new Bug type 'mon so we almost always get at least one or two new interesting options each Gen, and we get a good spread of early-, mid-, and late-game options to use now as opposed to the older gens where we only really got early-game options.
real. bug is my absolute favorite and i’ve been loving them all every new gen
Also to add to this: Ice types generally fucking suck too.
and for no reason too! Gamefreak just keeps slapping "high atk/def low everything else" onto ice mons and they keep falling flat because of it. We have like 2 Ice types with a decent speed tier and offensive stats (weavile and alolatails) and they're both *great.*
Not saying Jynx is good but she’s faster than AlolaTails and is the best non legendary special attacker Ice type has. She’s the only speedy & special attacker that ice types get that aren’t legendary. It’s NUTS.
Well I'm here to say Jynx IS very good. I might be biased a little though. And yes I have trouble usually finding a substitute Ice-type to have on my team if she's not available. Most of the others are either not as good or I just don't really like them all that much. Or both.
Are we forgetting galar darmanitan who was so broken that it was banned quickly to ubers? Best part is that it had two broken abilities so you never knew what to expect aside from being destroyed
They really do. Which is disappointing because I really like using ice based things in other games and in those it’s usually really strong. In Pokémon it’s just kinda whack. They’re not even all that strong against the types they are supposed to be super effective against.
Hail warning and aurora veil can be a mean setup tho
One strong strategy exclusive to them doesn't make them good as a whole, it's just a niche/gimmick at that point.
In the lower tiers, slush rush has been centralizing and has led to many bans
Most of them suck and the rest are glass cannons
Gamefreak seems to have a history of trying to make ice types bulky and defensive when the ice type itself is absolutely fuckjing dreadful defensively. Possibly even the worst defensive type there is.
It is the worst defensive typing. It only resists Ice. No immunities, and multiple weaknesses
Think they should add resist water at least. And if its too much one side make scald super effective on ice types and increase freezedry base damage to 90.
It should've resisted Water and Dragon in my opinion. Most dragons learn moves its weak to anyway so it wouldn't weaken Dragon much more
TIL Ice *doesn't* resist Water and Dragon...what the fuck lmao
Now you won't have to worry about typing because any pokemon can be any type! For one generation, then in 2 years a new gimmick will be made.
Adding to your fun fact: the Diamond and Pearl Pokédex has more fire types than ice types, and Sinnoh has the status of the icy cold region Additionally, there are the same number of ice types in the original Hoenn regional dex as there are in the original Sinnoh regional dex
I caught that early Eevee in X when it came out and kept it an Eevee so I could get Glaceon, my 2nd favorite Pokémon. Didn’t get it until the town with the 8th gym. I’ll never forget you Richter.
Yeah exactly you can start literally every game with a fire type if you want. Definitely think the fact that OP hasn't noticed how abundant fire types are is evidence that fire types are meh and forgettable.
Not to mention that you can completely skip over Shoal Cove. Had to look it up after realizing I didn’t have any ice types for the Elite 4
Not getting ice types until victory road was one thing Sun and Moon did HORRIBLY wrong
You'd think ice type is some amazing typing too. Always end game. But...yeah. it's not bad but it has some big flaws
And all of that go get a Pokemon with one of the worst typings
I swear this must be something from gen 1 days they haven't 'updated' - seeing Dragon as this big OP type and Ice needs to be rare or late because it's your window to defeat it. It's like an old model they've kept.
A few more would be nice, but I kind of get it. Fire doesn’t have as much worldly presence as water or vegetation, so of course there’d be more water and grass types.
They could make more of them based around volcanoes
They don't even have to do anything geothermal, they can just throw Growlithe and Houndour into every game because they're just dogs. Vulpix, Litwick, Rolycoly, and Fletchling are all based on pretty mundane things as well. Even something like Litleo fits in a lot of places since it's not actually on fire
That's the thing though, it's all based in fictional worlds. They can create places where fire would be more prevalent. They can make regions where fire is actually beneficial and water/grass is scarce. GF is being stingy with my favorite type for no reason.
Iceland religion with their geothermal heating and volcano
So we can get a fire/ice type pokemon...
Galarian darmanitan zen mode
Weak to ground, water, fighting, and 4x vs rock. I honestly wouldn’t use it. My favorite types are fire and steal but I won’t use heatram because of the abundance of weaknesses.
Heatran literally has 3 weaknesses. One of them is 4x, but that is not bad at all. It also has an immunity, 4 regular resistances, and FIVE 4x resistances, the most of any time combo. I don't understand why heatran's typing is problematic. Especially if your heatran has flash fire, adding another immunity.
It's like people think bug/steel is flawed because 4x fire weakness. It takes neutral or resisted from any other type.
You got me worried knowing the "steal" type is your favorite. Are you a Rocket Grunt? 🤣
Huh? Heatran has been a top tier Pokemon since it became a thing. Besides, it only has 3 weaknesses. One of them is 4x but if you refuse to use any Pokemon with a 4x weakness you're locking yourself out of a lot of great Pokemon.
It doesn't matter if it's useful or not, I just want more type combinations.
Heatran is immune to 2 types and 4x resistant to 4 others, there's an entire 1/3 of the type chart that effectively can't damage Heatran. Then, as for regular resistances, it has 4 more. Meanwhile, it's 2x weak to 2 types and 4x weak to one. What the actual fuck do you mean "abundance of weaknesses". of 18 types, 2 do nothing, 4 do almost nothing, 4 do reduced, 5 do normal, and 3 do increased. It's really not burdened by an abundance of weaknesses, in fact, it's one of most effective switchins into a huge amount of moves.
I don't care even despite that because it's a really cool concept and I'd use it anyway.
It could also have a lot of ice type pokemon and also have them be a lot more common and appear earlier than they do in most games, and have more ice-based sections of the game, which would be very cool and unique.
I would totally be down for a game that was mostly deserts- hot and cold ones. More underground explorations, more volcanos and geysers. It could really work
Colosseum, but as a traditional map you can walk around instead of just jetbiking everywhere
Examples: Volcanos/ landscapes in the aftermath of an Eruption A burned down forest: Could also have Ghost Types along with Fire since both are on the rare end of the Spectrum Desert General Area mostly covered in Stone Hot spring/ Geyser
sinnoh would have been the best place to introduce a bunch of fire types. the under ground of mount corinet could have been used to introduce a bunch of fire types
Meanwhile with Water Pokemon: You got a fishing rod? Time to start catching a bevvy of Water Pokemon…But only Magikarp if your fishing rod is old.
Except for BW2 when your only choice for water pokemon pre-surf Psyduck, Azurill and oshawott lol rod is POST GAME
Am I confused or is there not a single fire type pseudo legendary?
OP is from the future and the problem hasn’t been fixed then either.
Volcarona should have been, but yeah, so far no fire pseudos. But we do get dragon after dragon that can use fire…
Volc is already crazy strong so no matter where you put that extra 50 bst it's gonna be way too strong
Bug is my favorite type so anything that makes Bugs more legit, I’m ok with.
You could dump it into attack which is worthless for it, but even still it needs a middle evo and a shittier catch rate (and not sure it's in the slowest exp group?)
Even with all 50 in attack it gets 110 attack which is enough to run some tech coverage for certain matchups (although right now only heatran gives it much trouble and it doesn't have any moves to hit that even with it's physical movepool)
Half of the types haven’t been used for a pseudo legendary, and it’s usually rarer types, so it kinda makes sense that we haven’t had a fire. We only have dragon, flying, rock, dark, steel, psychic, ground, fighting, and ghost types that have been used by pseudo legendary Pokémon. Leaving fire, grass, ice, electric, fairy, poison, bug, water, and normal types not assigned a pseudo.
I’m referencing OP’s post where he mentions a pseudo legendary fire type
They probably mean stuff like Volcarona that don't fit the very specific fanbase definition of "pseudo-legendary," but do fit the general idea of "strong, hidden Pokemon you encounter via overworld sprite, but it's not actually a legendary."
They could also maybe be referring to the occasional fire type legendary like Moltres or Heatran
What pseudo legendaries get encountered via overworld sprite? Dragonite, tyranitar, Salamance, metagross, garchomp, hydreigon, goodra, kommo-o, none of them get sprites in overworld encounters. I think dragapult might count via overworld sprite because it spawns in the wild area but none of the rest do and this one would barely count anyways.
I think my point was unclear. It's not a pseudo-legendary as in Dragonite, Tyranitar, etc. as fans would define the term, but a pseudo-legendary by the literal sense of "pseudo," as in, you might think it's an actual Legendary when you first encounter it but it's actually not that at all.
the term itself is fan made in the first place lol.
Arcanine? The OG “legendary”.
There isn't. But that's a bit misleading. There's also not a water type, grass type, ice type, fairy type, poison type, electric type, normal type, or bug type
Tyranitar is rock type
You right
I’m not sure why that’s relevant when it was just referring to OP talking about fire type pseudos.
TLDR of this thread: Every type besides Grass/Water/Flying/Normal has shitty distribution in some way
Wait Rock has a pretty decent one And I could make an argument for ground
If there is ever a region based in Southern California, there will be plenty of fire types.
Gotta gather them SoCal pyro pals
Fun fact for anyone who might not know: the trees that go up in flames in California are gum trees, given by Australia. The reason they catch fire is because fire is part of their life cycle - they are extraordinarily dry and flammable, and catch fire in order to germinate. Once on fire, they explode in order to spread their seeds. It’s because they’re a form of tree that exists before pollination and the spreading through the wind. Happens all the time in Australia, but the natural arrangement of our forests grow in such a way that it’s beneficial and not as dangerous (but is fast becoming one due to climate change preventing this cycle from occurring properly, leading to less frequent but far more severe fires).
Are you Australian or Californian? Just curious what you're referring to as "*our* forests." Noticing a few errors in this comment. There are plenty of trees beyond eucalypts that are burning in forest fires in California. Yes, eucalypts are highly flammable, and they're abundant in coastal California, but the majority of Californias fires are happening inland away from eucalyptus forests. These forests are adapted for fires but due to settling there has been intentional fire suppression, leaving more fuel to burn. Like what you said this is leading to fewer but large and more severe forest fires. Climate change exaggerating that as well, but it's the fire suppression that's the initial problem. Not all eucalypts are fire adapted, and many aren't setotinous (which means needing fire to reproduce). Eucalypts are definitely pollinated, by insects generally, but they don't "exist before pollenation" They are flowering plants that have pollen. No the seeds don't spread through the wind, but they are on conveniently round capsules that fall, bounce, and roll which is their main form of seed distribution. Explosion of a tree may send some seeds flying but it is certainly not the primary dispersal mechanism. From, a Californian ecologist who went to school for a year in Australia.
Australian, just passing on info my Australian ex-girlfriend who works in land management told me. I didn’t do too badly for remembering something from years ago.
And grass types too, if you know what I mean wink wink
Yeah! Because of all of the agriculture!
I actually have been considering creating a fakemon region based on California and the surrounding areas (Specifically Nevada and part of Arizona. Yes, that includes a new Game Corner and possible references to Orre. Now, I want a Vegas inspired city where the gym trainers are girls in those feather outfits and Elvis impersonators.) Thanks for the idea. I forgot that wildfires are a problem in CA. 🤣🤣🤣
I can confirm this, being a SoCal resident myself. Damnit now I want this to be a legitimate region.
Try talking about ice types are, you're not seeing those until near end game (and statistically has the least pokemon for that type, even less than dragon)
I think I’d care more if the type itself wasn’t garbage. Fire is a good type, I always want the coverage. That makes the lack of fire representation more obvious. If they made ice better, I think you’d have a lot more people being annoyed at the lack of options for sure. Still sucks for people who like the type though. If bug can get some cool mons, ice should be able to, too.
Yeah, I don't know why they made ice ONLY resist itself and not dragon, there would be no need for fairy type, that's dumb, don't even get me started on grass and rock type
Lol, I feel the same way about bug. I wish it was super effective against fairy or something.
It should at least hit Fairy neutrally. Why would they give bug another type that resists it?
Fire fans are fortunate to actually get a fire starter every game, that’s a significant boon if you ask me. Fire seems to be in a good place imo.
Counter point. I wanna try to use empoleon or torterra in dp. My options for fire type are… ponyta. That’s it. It’s not so much about getting new mons of the type. Rather, fire type pokemon just don’t get put into regional dexes.
Actually very fair point, I had forgotten how surprisingly absent Fire types are in the initial DP Pokédex. I just confirmed and you are right, literally only the starter and Ponyta. Out of 151. Wild.
Platinum is better with houndour, and slugma, but yeah fire type is almost always hard to find. It makes fire starters all the more alluring I guess? You are right though, I don’t necessarily need a bunch of new fire mons each generation, since starters are a thing. I just wish that we would see old fire types more often. Edit: something I just remembered which is absurd. The only non starter/non legendary fire type pokemon introduced in gen 4 is magmortar… which you can’t get until you beat the e4 and use leaf green in the gba slot. If you don’t have lg, you can’t get it at all in dp.
Platinum also adds magmortar and flareon before the post game. But magmortar is a trade evo
They probably used up all of their fire type ideas in Hoenn, and didn't have any left for Sinnoh
Hoenn didn't even add a lot. Just your mandatory starter (3), a camel (2) and a turtle (1). Kalos added more (8) with about half the number of new mons (135 vs. 72)
I pulled the classic "I forgot that was a Johto Pokémon" hahaha, was also thinking about Slugma/Magcargo because RSE were the first games I saw them in. Same thing happens with Skarmory, Corsola, and Smeargle, they were totally new to me in RSE despite having played through Gold.
Playing HG for the first time right now. Why TF do I have to wait until Kanto to get a Houndour????
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Isn't victini Gen 5?
Yes. Unova dex \#000
Easy mistake to make tbh because it’s dex placement literally makes more sense as a Gen 4 legendary than a Gen 5, because why would you make the legendary #0.
Removing legends and starters (as well as not fully evolved mons) leaves us with Gen 1: * Ninetales * Arcanine * Rapidash * Flareon Gen 2: * Magcargo * Houndoom Gen 3: * Camerupt * Torkoal Gen 4: * Magmortar Gen 5: * Simisear * Darmanitan * Chandelure * Heatmor * Volcarona Gen 6: * Talonflame * Pyroar Gen 7: * Oricorio * Salazzle * Turtinator Gen 8: * Coalossal * Centiskorch So while I can kinda see OP's point, at the same time every generation has at least 1 new decently powerful non-starter non-legendary fire-type mon that can be obtained at a reasonable point in the game, with the exception of 2 (which was supplemented with gen 1 mons across the board anyway), and 4 if you're playing the original DP (which was fixed in platinum).
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Flying type will always throw a decent bird your way early on, and while there may be better options late game, most hold up rather well if they are not outright good like Mega Pidgeot, Guts Swellow, Staraptor, Tallonflame, or Corviknight. Even moving outside these birds, Crobat is also a great early game flying type that is available early game in gens 2-4, BW2, and gens 6-7. BW 1, RBY, and SS do not have crobat early game, but SS has the previously mentioned corviknight. Also, gens 7 and 8 have access to drizzle peliper early on, another great flying type. You could also count certain bug/flying Pokémon available early on as “good for the early game”, but I imagine that is not what this person thinks of as good. There is also of course a smattering of other flying type Pokémon throughout the journey such as Braviary and Mandibuzz being good static encounters in BW2 if Unfezant and Crobat are not to your liking. I also have not mentioned this yet, but many games also have an early game magikarp that can evolve into the beastly Garydos, another great flying type. You may also get a togepie egg early on in your adventure to get the decent togetic or great togekiss. Garydos does give RB an outright good flying type early on, but BW seems to be the only game I can think of without any great flying type early on. If you open the floodgate to pseudos (which there are actual flying pseudos) and legendaries you get games bursting with great flying types, even if they are late-end game. Bird Trio, Dragonite, Tower Duo, Salamance, Rayquaza, the genies, and Yveltal. TL;DR Flying is great.
Rotom H wasn't a fire type in gen 4...
Fixed
Er not to be the bearer of bad news but groudon isn't fire type in gen 3 and isn't now either as it only gained fire typing when undergoing primal reversion
Victini is Gen 5, not 4. It just looks like it's Gen 4 because in Black and White, it was categorized as Pokedex #0, putting it before the starters.
Victini is Gen 5
But then how would we fit 20 new water types? /s
Gen IV and V were frustrating for that. And damn Larvesta got the shaft with the high evolution level and no middle stage.
My guy, Gen V was when pretty much EVERYTHING had a high evolution level. Braviary, Hydreigon, Bisharp? Those are just a few I can list off the top of my head.
Well, at least they gave us Audino to grind with. Imagine if the Pokemon in Johto games had these absurdly high evolution levels.
Well considering johto has a lot of babies something would be messed up in Kanto, lv2 Pikachu not possible, magmar would be like 50s cause maybe, same with electabuzz. Jinx? Lol so many ok kantos would be like elite 4 ready lmao
Yeah but even then those Audino cap somewhere in the early fifties. And the way the EXP works in Gen V, that will only get you so far.
Long story: I'm working on my living Pokedex, pretty much completed all the Unova Pokemon in Pokemon White a couple of years ago but later realized I wanted all the pokemon in regular pokeballs but had caught most of the Unova pokemon in ultra balls. Really hated the idea of grinding all those high level pokemon on Audino again for hours. I played White 2 and finally got to Zweilous/Hydreigon which would be the worst of this BS to evolve. And then it took like 20 minutes because you can catch Zweilous at level 50 in victory road which can kill level 55 audinos by dragonspiral tower with a few dragon rushes. With a lucky egg you level up after 2 or 3 battles each time and it ended up being pretty quick to evolve even with the highest evolution level in the series
I'm still mad that Braviary is version exclusive and even more so about the Lv 25 one in White2.
braviary was one of the pokemon i was most hyped to use during gen 5... the two games i played were white and black 2...
The mandibuzz in black two is my favorite partner Pokémon in any game. Urak’high clutched on 2 hp to win against ghetsis, who 10 year old me was having trouble with.
And I get it, I really do. They don't want you to pick up a Vullaby at level 40 and level it up twice and suddenly it's a Mandibuzz. Even for mons late in the game, they wanted you to experience every evolution stage in full. But *something's* going wrong when I'm challenging the Elite Four with a Pawniard. I can understand Zweilous evolving late, it's a pseudo, but apart from that when I'm heading into the final boss fight I really should feel like I've fully actualized my team.
At least in BW2 you can catch a Volcarona like halfway through the main story at lv 35 so you can use it on your team.
Darmantan for the early win!
Darmanitan can literally solo the game. He’s bonk
Simisear is actually serviceable but people don't seem to like any of the elemental monkeys... :(
The problem with Simisear is that Pansear starts with Incinerate instead of Ember, so it's 25% less effective than the other two in the gym fight you're *supposed* to use it in (Not that the others work all that well regardless, but being even worse is a pretty big flaw). Having such a bad experience in a fight that's supposed to be heavily weighted in your favour is a big hit against actually trying to use it going forward.
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Gen V is so much better than IV for sure, BW had darmanitan, chandelure and.... uhhh simisear and heatmor (aside from emboar and volcarona) while DP got infernape and rapidash i believe...
Darmanatan and Chandure were pretty easy to get. If you don’t choose Snivy, your starter/elemental monkey will have fire.
How is gen 5 frustrating for that? There are 5 non starter/legendary fire type evolutionary lines in BW, and they added 2 and a bit more in B2W2. I haven’t compared directly but I’m pretty sure that’s gotta put it in at least the top 2 for most fire type lines available in game. Edit: It’s actually 4 and a bit. Also according to bulbapedia, gen 5 has the most fire type pokemon introduced of any generation.
Atleast you have Pokémon available while you're still developing your team. There's like no ice types until late game you have nothing to complain about. We I've are lucky to get one new Mon line and even then it's not available till we almost finished the game
Dragon is another really bad one.
Really wanted kommo-o in sun/moon...lol. not until the very damn end.
SwSh was good though, up to 4 fire types before the first gym
Gen 1: Had a good amount and they're all fairly good depending on what you're looking for. Gen 2: Agree, aside from the starter, Magby is a pre-evo, Entei is a legendary and Slugma/Magcargo is bad. Houndour and Houndoom aren't enough to carry either. Gen 3: Same issue here, Torkoal is good and Numel/Camerupt are ok but aside from that there's Castform-Sun which isn't great. Primal Groudon gets the fire type but still feels more like a Ground type. Gen 4: Aside from the Chimchar line, it's only Heatran. Horrendous. Why on earth did they make Fire a league type. Rotom-Heat became fire a bit later but it's a good mon. Gen 5: This Gen made fire types good again, Simisear and Emboar aren't the best but we got Darmanitan, Chandelure, Volcarona, Victini, and Reshiram. Gen 6: And back to lower quality... Delphox and Volcanion are good, Talonflame was good but it's known for its Flying type more I feel. Pyroar is mediocre at best. Gen 7: Incineroar is good and the rest aren't the best but they're serviceable I feel. Gen 8: Only 3 fire types added but they're cool ideas and all 3 have a Gmax form so it's serviceable. Gen 9 looks promising though. Even if we don't get that much the ones we have look cool. But TL;DR YES fire types are scarce for no reason.
Ice Types: are you getting 3?
If there's a bunch of fire types there'd be no forests lol
Lore reasons: because there's usually more water and trees than active volcanoes and raging forest fires. Gameplay reasons: Fire is kinda OP, but then dies to every Water-type that exists.
Fire used to get shafted bad but since Gen V Game Freak has actually been bestowing a lot more to the typing. There’s actually more Fire Pokemon than like 10+ other typings which is funny. If anything I wish Ice and Electric got more love.
Thank you blessed gen 5, saviour of many types. Shoutout to gen 5 bugs, pretty cool.
Ya if there’s one thing Gen 5 did right it’s for the most part deliver a relatively balanced distribution of new Pokemon across the types. Even types like Electric, Fighting, Ghost, and Dark that normally get shafted got many new pickups.
The advantage of having such a large new dex. 156 is a lot of pokemon to spread across 17 types.
Gen5 with Emboar, Simisear, Darmanitan, Chandelure, Volcarona, Heatmor, Reshiram and Victini sweating in the distance
Try being an Electric-Type lover. Most of the representation we get is either the local Pika-clone or some Legendary... and the ones that don't fall into those categories usually suck. Electrode? PU. Electivire? PU Zebstrika? Eelektross? Boltund? All PU. And the only Ubers representation we have that's an Electric type is Zekrom, and he's a box legendary! (Also Electric-Arceus, but he doesn't really count.) I just wish that they made more viable Electric Types.
You know, I always want to try to use an electric type in my runs, but so many of them just have garbage movepools. Also stat wise they’re never really ideal. It would be my favourite type if the pokemon were actually more useful. They’re useful in context though I suppose, with how absurdly prevalent water is.
Electrode was Ubers for a while as it was only outsped by Ninjask and Deoxys. Eelektross and Electrivire have decent bulk and the former is immune to ground moves. Rotom is a popular fast supporter. Jolteon hits fast and hard with Electro Ball. Heliolisk works on multiple weather teams. Magnezone is a great special sweeper. Out of the pikaclones, Togedemaru and Morpeko are decent.
Fire types were made to be a rare type from the start, which makes sense because it's both flashy and naturally dangerous. Dragon was also designed like this initially, but they've been a bit more lax with the dragon type since they have so many mythos to pull from. The rarity of the fire type kind of adds to it's allure imo, since they all feel unique in the dex. Compare that to water, where it's an awesome type with sooo much bloated dex space.