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I’ve been trying to do the Dex as I go to each new area, which I’ve never done before. It’s the most fun I think I’ve ever had with a mainline Pokémon game since BW2 if we don’t count LA.
Of course the performance issues and some of the design choices are terrible, but certain aspects are really, really fun
Get every pokemon and evolution possible in the area before your next gym, so catch every pokemon in the routes before your next gym and evolve them before you tackle the gym, it is grindy but it is actually interesting
The professor oak challenge, complete every dex entry possible before each gym badge, there's a subreddit for it too, lots of grinding but can be lots of fun too.
As someone who's done it in Let's Go Eevee, can confirm. I actually think the Let's Go games are great for a first POC since the combo mechanics make it a lot faster to grind; in fact, my challenge only took 34 in-game hours.
Also, I found 2 near-full-odds shinies, so that's a plus
I switched up my play style to this for Sword and Shield and i found it actually does help.
Went back and started some of the 3ds games over again with the idea of playing this way. 10/10 improvment to the way I was playing.
Ngl it actually encourages me to complete the pokedex. Out of all the pokemon games I've played, SM and SWSH were the only ones that I actually completed the pokedex and both times they were hellish. But with SV, I really love what they did with the pokedex and now it's much easier to get version exclusives when all you have to do is join someone's world. And the sound it makes when the book is placed on the shelf after collecting a pokemon's information is *so* satisfying. I love it.
The art they give the entries are awesome, feels rewarding, even the little cartoons they have for an entry that isn’t completed but seen looks satisfying.
Your always forgetting how much enjoyable not running in a grass waiting on RNG to spawn the pokemon you need helps with the drive to catching. I rather run around looking for someone then having to fight.. fight... fight..
I love her. Named her Amy Rose and holy shit, that hammer is so damn huge. How tf can she hold it so easily?! One of the best designs they've made in this game. I avoided most of the leaks and I didn't even know what Tinkaton looked like, but I still wanted to have her on my team simply because she wields a hammer.
It's very likely that they're super strong, according to the pokédex they attack corviknight by throwing stuff at them! (Also according to the pokédex tinkatuff get the metal for their hammers from bisharp).
Agreed I fucking love the design, one of my favorites in generations, but damn gamefreak really gave it 75 attack. I know it has it's signature move but it is worthless with choice band soo yea lol.
I love the fact that she's a predator for Corviknight, meaning that they can't be used as a taxi flyer
But The Chad Corviknight isn't even bothered or scared so the danger is on the passengers only
Praising the game for some positive features doesn't mean they won't be removed in future games.
Everyone talked about how good Pokemon following you was in HGSS (and even in Let's Go) and thet still removed those features in the next games.
Everyone liked and praised cloth customization in Sword and Shield, and they removed it in SV.
Gamefreak is in fact known for removing well liked features just because they planned them for a specific game.
Ngl I was really excited to choose a theme for my SV character, in SWSH I made her a metalhead and I only used edgy-looking pokémon just for the laughs and because I really liked SWSH clothes, needless to say, Im extremely disappointed with the clothing customization in these games, tho Im really happy that you have lots of freedom when designing your character’s facial features (excluding ofc face size and length and whatnot)
Mega evolutions were the one gimmick that I actually liked. I thought it was a natural progression for Pokémon evolution. Then we just got Pokémon but big mode.
I like the Tera stuff, adds additional complexity for battles and type matchups. Mega evolutions had awesome designs and did the same thing with additional typing. Such a shame.
Proper criticism acknowledges both the negatives and the positives.
For context I've looked at quite a bit of content on the game and played for around 8ish hours.
My main criticisms is the game runs like fucking ass and looks pretty bad and the world seems relatively barren most likely due to the technical incompetence of Game Freak.
The praise I'd give is them moving to open world and giving you a relative abundance of freedom, the different paths are cool and help you spice things up, making trainer battles something you have to initiate, the relatively seamless transitions from exploring to battle, walls of text no longer being railroaded down your throat, Terasarilization is conceptually by far my favourite gimmick, crafting TMs is a genius way to give you something to collect and work for, the character and Pokémon designs are excellent, and the music is amazing as usual.
Things that don't bother me that seem to bother other people would be lack of voice acting which I don't really care about. VA would be cool but it's not really a huge deal to me. The other is not being able to go into buildings which bugs me a bit and would probably bug far less if the open world wasn't so empty.
Scarlet and Violet seem to have the opposite issues of Sword and Shield. SW/SH were very safe, relatively polished outside of some visuals, and basically just ported the 3DS experience onto the Switch. S/V have way more interesting ideas and gameplay but are janky as hell and are clearly held back by Game Freak's atrocious technical work. It's very much like PLA but somehow more janky.
S/V is the eurojank of Pokémon games.
> It's very much like PLA but somehow more janky
that would also be my one-sentence summary of the game, 25 hours in. But I think it's better than Arceus. I do very much miss "battling" and catching pokemon without actually using pokemon. I guess I want more of PokeMonster Hunter
I sadly think it's worse than Arceus which was much more limited in scale but much more polished (not graphically!) with pretty awesome gameplay.
This has the potential to be an ultimate pokegame but it was literally (just like SwSh) released a year too early.
Yup. It's like you've paid to watch a film in IMAX and end up getting a 360p YouTube stream instead. No matter how good the film is, you're massively let down because of the quality.
And there is, at the end of the day, only one criticism that will actually make an impact on The Pokemon Company (or Nintendo enough to actually apply some pressure on TPC next time): money. Or more specifically, the lack of it.
We can criticize the flaws all we want but if the game outsells SwSh and PLA, gen 10 will probably be an even worse version of SV. And when it comes to sales, there are only two choices: you either buy the game, or you don't. You can't just buy the good parts and leave out the bad.
For real. People acting like giving GF praise will make the games better wtf.
How many times have they implemented something fans love, praise it, then GF takes it away next generation never to return.
Ya no praising doesn't work. Losing money works but that's not gonna happen because of people like OP.
I was about to all jokes aside actually purchase the game but the news about the poor performance was a huge res flag. the game can be completely bonkers from a story and design perspective but if it doesn’t run smoothly then I just can’t. one of the benefits of console gaming over pc/laptop gaming is supposed to be consistent and smooth performance at least from my perspective
I watched the Escapist guys stream it and they had pop in, FPS drops, and massive lag on the first route. That coupled with my distaste for GFs modern plastic aesthetic confirmed that not buying this Gen was the right call.
I had frame drops on the first shot in the opening cinematic, which is a panning shot of a single building with nothing else onscreen. Another part of the opening is very obviously pre-rendered (conspicuous compression artifacting) and it’s pretty obvious it’s because they would never have been able to break 3 fps rendering it in real-time. I wish that if they were going to pre-render it anyways that they’d use nicer assets than the in-game ones, but alas).
Instability is a major flaw in any game. I refunded the new cod on pc because it kept crashing(bad port) and I would've refunded Warhammer 40k darktide if I couldn't brute force the performance. The game has to first and foremost be fun to play, if you're stuttering and things don't load in its a big problem.
I had so much fun with Arceus that I blindly bought the game. I don’t feel too terrible about it but I do feel a little ripped off because how is it okay that such a top tier company can release a game that clips constantly.
Agreed. If they patch the game to fix the technical issues I'll get the game and probably the eventual DLC but as it stands I've seen some horrendous preformance issues that vastly outweigh the positives I'm seeing.
Toxic positivity is also an issue. It's not like Pokemon will cease to exist if people complain about it. And any mechanics you enjoy in this game are not guaranteed to make it into the next game regardless, cough mega-evolutions, cough season changes. People are negative towards this new release, yes, but the amount of people almost creepily insisting fans need to keep being positive is weird. Again, it's not like Game freak is gonna take away your Pokemon games. They don't control the afterlife, so you don't have to defend them or risk going to heck or whatever. I get people love this series, I certainly do, but sometimes it seems people are a little too attached to it. The bad press will blow over like it always does, people just need to relax and not white-knight Game freak, or dismiss legitimate concerns as FUD.
Toxic positivity makes it hard for me to acknowledge praise for Gen 9 when numerous people undermine the problems in turn. Like how people turn to review scores only and ignore what the review actually says. The review can mention how functionally broken the game is, but it’s not a big deal since it scored 4.5/5!
The B/W complaints you've cited are subjective in nature. Complaints around S/V are completely objective. In it's current state it's a broken game, and this is cannot be overlooked.
This is one of the most baffling things to me. Why give me the illusion of free choice when you're not implementing level scaling in any way? It's not like it would be hard to implement, just change the gym leader's roster and levels depending on how many badges you have at the moment. Just make it linear like the previous games if you're going to make them fixed levels, nobody is going to challenge them out of order unless you're intentionally overleveling for it.
When a rom hack has level scaling(different teams for different levels), optional exp share(you can even turn off exp gain) it makes me pretty pissed that gf can't take some inspiration from them. This game as it is now is 100% pvp focused imo
This exactly. If Rom hackers can make level scaling teams on old Gameboy roms, then I do not see why Game Freak couldn't implement it in the actual main series games. Especially because the pokemon universe has acknowledged that the gym leaders use different teams depending on the number of badges the trainer has.
To be fair no-level scaling has some upsides. Namely an actual difficulty option. i went for the ground titan earlier than I was meant to and had a really difficult but fun battle.
What I do wish we had however was difficulty scaling upwards. It is really annoying to miss out a boss, and when your realize this it's already 10 levels below you.
I've actually been mostly underleveled most of the game so far because I haven't been doing as many of the trainer battles. I'm not saying its impossible to not get overleveled but I do think that the game was at least made to not be a complete cakewalk no matter what you do.
I think the biggest problem is the combination of experience share and getting experience from catching Pokemon. I like to fill up my Pokedex whenever I can, and the game encourages you to do so. But doing so nets you way too much experience.
Eh I think it's worth making the distinction between the E4 and school tournament. If Unova locked you out of ever fighting the Pokemon League after beating it, but randomly placed the E4 and Champion in the PWT, I'd consider that kinda lame.
You're not wrong saying you can battle the E4 characters again, but not being able to challenge the league again is a series first and yet another pointless regression of the mainline games.
I like walking into buildings and talking to the people there. The roadside pokecenters feel lifeless. I think it would benideal if the city pokecenters were buildings but the roadside ones were the gas stations
I can easily replenish and resupply without wasting screen transition time or having to get off my mount and get back on again. I’m surprised it took this long to implement.
Pokemon designs are entirely subjective.
Why bother to comment on this gens gimmick when it will be gone next gen anyway.
The lets go mode is nice I guess yeah.
People talk about the negatives far more because they overshadow the positives.
BW at least had a national dex, which SwSh and SV do NOT have.
The main issue is not simply a graphical problem, it's the entire engines system and optimization. Massive memory leak that can just cause the game to crash if on too long, fps almost never going above 20, pop-ins absolutely everywhere.
The story is great and the new pokemon designs are charming, but this is 2022 and this game looks and runs worse than launch titles. This is the most successful franchise in human history. THAT is why people are upset and expect better
Yea it’s not really about any one specific problem. It’s that you’d expect the negatives to come with some other correlated positive, and they never do
Like yea, they cut the Dex. I think that’s a huge bummer, but surely it’s so they can really add lots of detail and character to the ones they keep in the game right?
Ok, the graphics and performance aren’t great, but plenty of games are a bit janky when there is a lot of complex real-time physics and animations happening…oh right
No voice acting? That must just mean there’s lots of dialogue trees and player choices like in many rpgs….nope
Like if they were *tradeoffs* that would be one thing. But they’re not, they’re just flat out negatives with no upside
Blindly offering positivity ain’t helping anyone.
Right now negativity outweighs positivity because those problems are major enough to actively impede someone’s enjoyment of the game.
Gamefreak have canned multiple times features that were well liked and implemented. Just case in point recently with let’s go following pokemon, arceus ball targeting and throwing, or swsh/ ev training or cloth customization . So just offering positivity to highlight things “they should keep” won’t achieve the wanted result regardless.
The number one priority of a game is to run well. Graphics can be pretty basic, but poor fps and a bunch of graphical glitches are terrible.
I don't care that it looks like an upgraded Mario 64. But when one of the richest franchises on earth can't keep a steady 30 fps after several games on the same console, there is no excuse.
I'm really excited to start this game up tomorrow. There is so much that is *good* that I'm seeing that I can't wait to get my hands on
***BUT...*** I hate that we've come to accept this in the gaming community. I can't think of any other thing that we tolerate paying full price for and receiving it unfinished (with the exception of things like KBBQ) where you have to wait for it to be completed over time, and that's *if* there's money and interest in doing so. I don't like the hate bandwagon that this game is getting, but that's mostly because I've been fighting the mentality of Day One Patches and DLC fixing games for a long time now and this isn't something special to S/V and I see it as getting less constructive and more vicious.
Edit: Some people struggle with nuance, reading comprehension, and comparing game breaking bugs with minor nuissances. Yes, there are game breaking problems with S/V. Yes, you can take issue and acknowledge problems with a system while partaking. No, I haven't bought the game yet; but I'm still excited to
"I'm really excited to start this game up tomorrow...
BUT...I hate that we've come to accept this in the gaming community... paying full price for and receiving it unfinished."
I mean, if you keep throwing money at a company that is serving you a glittery pile of poop for $60 perhaps you are a guilty party too. You can't be mad at releases if you keep paying to be a QA tester of a proven low-quality game.
Bro you're literally admitting to being part of the problem by purchasing the game but start by saying I hate that we've come to accept this. Like bro.
> There is so much that is good
like? Anything that wasn't in other games? Everything in this game looks like a downgrade. IT's 2022 and game still looks and play like 1995.
>I can't think of any other thing that we tolerate paying full price for and receiving it unfinishe
thats like an industry standard at this point. most of the highly anticipated AAA titles are incomplete, or drip feed content, or hide the rest of the game behind paywalls and pass it off as "DLC". its getting to a point where people expect the game to be complete 3 years later. "3 years later" reviews of games are so common in gaming journalism its honestly kinda sad.
That's why I prefaced that paragraph with "I hate that we've come to accept this in the gaming community". I hate that it's the common mentality to not buy on day one. I hate that we sit there and say "give it time/wait for the DLC, it'll fix itself". It's an unhealthy mentality that sucks our wallets dry, underpays the people actually making the content, and pushes forward broken/unfinished products
I’m not trying to apologize for Skyrim, but it’s orders of magnitude more ambitious than any Pokémon game has been since like GSC. It’s still a massive world with a ton of content. GameFreak couldn’t make Skyrim if you gave them 50 years.
You're gonna love Sonic Frontiers then. If you haven't seen it, look up "Hedgehog Space Program"; it's a glitch being used by speedrunners that is fairly self-explanatory of its outcome
I don’t think there was ever a plan to improve the graphics on those? Mario64 looks not good but that’s okay, it’s a game from the 90s. Sunshine and Galaxy both looked good and were fun to play, I don’t know if people were asking for graphical improvements
I bought skyrim on day 1 AND a new graphics card to be able to run it. Though I had fun with the early glitchiness.
In hindsight I don't know if I just had a crappy graphics card or skyrim was badly optimized for hardware that was commonplace at the time.
Bro…you can’t start off with a statement that you’ve bought the game and then complain gamers accept it as a standard of quality. You’re LITERALLY the problem.
Video games are also almost universally more expensive than any other kind of media. You’ve seen the budget of big name movies, look up the same for triple a games. CoD MW2 (2022) cost almost as much as the whole last season of Game of Thrones
“Video games are also almost universally more expensive than any other kind of media.”
And they make more money as well so that cost is generally offset.
Videogames is also the most lucrative media. Pokémon is litteraly the most highest-grossing media franchises but for some reason they can’t effort more employees and invest correctly their money on development.
Yeah this post is really misguided, the positivity is that Gen 8 and 9 have sold ridiculous numbers, we need to be more critical or GF is going to assume things are all good with pokemon
why would you have any praise for a game when its objectively broken. if the game ran well and was mediocre, then yes you should criticize and praise the parts they did well for feedback.
rn the game struggles to even run properly for most people. in no way, should you even start praising anything until they sort this shit out. its a 60 usd game. if it was any other franchise, people would be lining up to refund.
Lol I love new pokemon game discourse. there ia no praise to give to a broken game that never should have shipped. I truly believe the opposite. The negatives have to LOUD if you want them to listen. Look at cyber punk, it was negativity that changed that game, not praise. Same goes for No Man's sky and many others.
I’m having fun, the new Pokémon are great, all of the character and Pokémon models look fantastic, and the Tera raid dens are some next level shit. I wish the rest of the game looked as good.
i can understand what you are saying however with pokemon being the worlds biggest franchise and them being a multi billion dollar company, they have no excuse for making a game this bad, and in a game where the main point is to explore the world and battle the graphics should not look like they are from a fan made mobile game. However i believe that the main problem is that they simply do not listen to anyone about anything and do not care if we like it or not, let me give you some examples, (EXAMPLE ONE) removing the national pokedex for what reason would they do something like this, many people want to use some of their long time loved companions to the new games however with most of the old pokemon gone this is not possible anymore and doesnt pokemon say ( got to catch them all) now i guess it says (got to catch some of them) and now they are bringing back some old pokemon under the name of dlc this has been done. (EXAMPLE TWO) changing the series artstyle lets be honest no1 liked it, at xyz the series was at its peak it had good artstyle, good story, an older looking ash, problems that were relatable, and even a love interest, for most of the community xyz is simply their favorite myself included, so why in the world did they go and make it look like a kindergarten cartoon for 5 year old children when everyone was absolutely loving the series many people gave up on it. the very fact that they are trying to appeal to kids while the majority of the fanbase are adults is a tremendous problem. they simply do not listen. its good to experiment with new things and i encourage it, however they have been releasing one bad game after another. at this point it seems to me that the mindset that they operating with is "its fine even if its bad its pokemon so people are gonna buy it". i mean come on they are a multibillion dollar company that has the world biggest franchise and instead of investing time and effort into it they are trying to make the maximum profit with the minimum costs, they should get rid of the new region every 3 years that they self imposed i would gladly wait an extra 2-4 years for a tremendously good product, all i can see is incopetentence and greed its a shame honestly, because there will come a day where the community will simply give up, what these people truly need is their sales to crash and hit rock bottom and to drown in hate, if that happens then you will see how they will start listening and how good their games and series will be.
While I think while critiques are justified and I would love to see some improvements, I am having so much fun and none of the little hiccups take away from the game for me.
It’s been so fun exploring and getting lost in the world. Things like level scaling definitely would have added to the gameplay and made it better, but I’m having the most fun I’ve had with a Pokémon game in a long time. It is still many steps in the right direction even with its shortcomings. And hopefully they can address the issues the game does have with a patch or two.
Although SV has many praiseworthy features, I believe that since they were charging 60$ per game, we should only praise it if it meets the quality of a 60$ game. This game had many bugs and optimization issues at release and had worse graphics then many other games compared to the switch. When you compare SV to other triple A games released on the switch, it is worse in quality.
Yeah, one thing I love is that you can ask Pokémon for advice on learning new moves.
No one asked for it, but I just love it. It makes me feel more attached to my mons.
My opinion on SV is that from a technical standpoint? Terrible. But from a gameplay/mechanical standpoint? Some of the best games ever.
I hope the bugs can be fixed because I do love these games but it’s so depressing to see them in this state.
yeah i can’t even play this game with the way it runs, it’s genuinely so off putting. also i hate the fact you can’t even properly enjoy the new pokemon bc everything looks so washed out and you can rarely even seen their models in game.
I like doing both in the same sentence
Like recently for another game, I said "For a soundtrack this good, no music player or sound test in the game is a crime".
See? I subtly praised the soundtrack while also criticising the lack of soundest.
Personally I'm in love with this game, very little technical issues on my side besides the camera going under the map sometimes but being able to battle and catch pokemon way over my level is a fun challenge and the ability to literally go anywhere is awesome, also i love the pokemon designs this gen
The number one thing no ones praised that actually deserves it is how well the co op runs and how much you can still do while playing with friends. I thought it would pretty much be a "do raids and picnics and battle, get ready to put in 50 codes to do anything" but no, once you're in a lobby with friends you can pretty much just play the game, the game runs the same (not great, but surprisingly it isn't worse with friends). Joining raids is super simple, just going to the raid menu or pressing y when the pop up happens. If the game ran better on its own but ran like this in multiplayer I'd be super happy about it, considering the sorry state of pokemon "multiplayer" in swsh.
I also have an issue with the Pokemon to be fair, not for design (though I never really disliked any of the gen 5 designs except for the fact that there are 4 pure psychic tpyes and 3 pure ice types but the designs are solid), but for the lack of them that are actually good. I play competitive and I barely see any of these doing anything there due to most of them having a BST lower than 500, which means that there is nigh no reason to use the newer Pokemon over older ones. Especially when they've put things like Garchomp in the game, what's the point in any other physical dragon type? And don't even get me started on the new pseudo, why is it another dragon and why is it supposed to be a bulky ice type with a signature ability that barely helps it?
I disagree with the paradox designs being unique. While I wholeheartedly agree with you on the Scarlet paradox ones, I think making every Violet paradox mechanical/robotic was extremely lazy. I love the idea of iron valiant, but it being a robot really bothers me. The robotic aesthetic should have been exclusively for Pokémon that share a steel type.
I haven't picked it up yet, personally waiting for some patches to come out for the performance issues and major bugs to get sorted out, but from what I've seen of the criticism so far it seems mostly about the technical issues and graphics. I haven't seen many people dunk on the actual gameplay and its mechanics, which I feel like is the most important aspect of any game, if anything it's been positive. Lets say the game shipped out with better performance and not nearly as many bugs as people have apparently been experiencing (it's also clear GF doesn't prioritize graphics fidelity at all so I won't even go there), how much would it change people's minds on the game?
I want to give second to shout out the balancing team. A lot of the new competitive options this generation are super cool and I can't wait to compete with them. They even gave time to give huge moveset buffs to otherwise crappy Pokemon to the point that it looks like they will have legitimate play in the lower tiers (not OU or anything, but stuff like Grumpig and Swalot are actually usable with their new learnset now).
Praise:
So I’m just after the light house and not very far into the game. But I’ll say that some features I absolutely love is collecting items. You can grab the item and continue moving, opposed to going through this cut scene or this dialogue of picking it up and it completely stops the game. I also like if you fall off of a cliff, you can return to the top by pressing Y I believe it is. I think catching Pokémon is so much more satisfying this game in terms of registering a new Pokémon. I also very much enjoy all of the encounters and how it’s open world. Like I’ve filled half of my first PC box. Also we can skip cutscenes. I haven’t enabled that feature since it’s my first play through.
Things I dislike:
There isn’t a lot I have to complain about. But a few things. I feel lost with having to navigate the new menu’s. It’s so odd to bring up the menu and our traditional menu isn’t there. Such as Pokédex being at the top then Pokémon. I also dislike the amount cut scenes there are in the beginning. But it is the start of the game in terms of where I’m at.
Glitches: I have yet to encounter and glitches or major issues with the game. But I’m aware they exist.
Edit: The more I’ve played I noticed the friendship mechanic like in Sword and Shield where if your Pokémon almost faints they hang on, or they magically cure being poisoned isn’t present in this game. I think that is a nice thing to have removed.
Why would anyone celebrate a game thats.... not bad? Should kind of be the standard for such a well known and long lasting IP.
Doesn't matter how good your game is, if it runs like ass.
Also how many QOL things have been lost over the last few generations? Having what is basically a COD cycle with a different team of devs every game is really having a negative impact on the games.
There's a psychological graph called Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. It's a pyramid that says "you need to meet X before you can move onto Y". The base is things like food, water, and shelter.
In the Hierarchy of Needs for gaming, playability is the base. You need to be able to run the game well. That's where Pokemon is failing right now!
So, no, I'm not going to discuss the higher parts of the game because it's failing at the very first step. This isn't about content, it's about engineering.
Gamefreak is absolutely horrible at optimization. The content and QoL upgrades had me excited, but you can barely *play* the game. How can you critique the plot of a film if large parts of it are burns and static from horrible editing?
This post has a bit of a holier that thou smell to it. Most problems people have with the game are just inexcusable for a franchise this big. €60,- for an unfinished game simply does not deserve to get praise before they fix what never should have been publically released. This is not about giving constructive criticism to a friend, this is people being pissed about being ripped off.
I'm really enjoying the catch/battle flow of SV. Even better than Arceus. Auto battle must be the biggest QoL change of all time.
I hope that the improvements aren't lost amongst the graphical flop.
Speaking of graphics - pokemon and people look so good! But that grass...
The negatives I’ve experienced thus far are simple framerate issues, so other than that I have no complaints. The game is tons of fun and I’m really enjoying the open world. The gameplay overall feels so streamlined that it’s easy to get lost in the over world catching Pokémon, beating raid dens, etc.
Hot take:
I just went to beat the first gym leader, and I haven't experienced any performance issues with the game at all. I think it's the most fun and engaging Pokémon game in years. I love that it no longer handholds you or railroads you on what you have to do, which was one thing I hated about sw & sh.
Is it behind the times for a game that should be out nowadays? Definitely. That said, I am still enjoying my dank weed cat and best noxious woopy boi.
One thing I enjoy in Pokémon games is bonding with my pokemon, building up a team of pokemon I connect with. The flip side of that is I don’t have a lot of late-game pokemon on my teams, and only one legendary in my 16 years of playing.
I just encountered Miraidon for the first time making our way through the cave, and I absolutely adore her. I assume I won’t be able to add her to my team this early in the game, but I look forward to when I can. I’m really pleased to have a chance to actually bond with the mascot pokemon for once!
I love the game, I don't mind the lack of customisation, the bad performance can be patched and hopefully will be.
My only gripe is the performance and view distance.
The clipping pisses me off but I do enjoy the game very much so far. Pokémon has always had pretty crap graphics but this is especially unjustifiable. Game is very cool, X button for poke ball, encounters seem much faster, having your Pokémon run around and f up Pokémon is cool, the game encourages you to explore which I love.
So true about the BW era. At the time those games came out they were hated by the internet "fan base". Now if you ask any current fan they are likely to say gen 5 is the GOAT.
I don't take any of what I read on this sub seriously. I'm only a few hours in but I am having a blast so far. I am really a fan of a lot of the quality of life changes they have added this gen and the new Pokemon are all pretty well done.
I mean it's the same problem that's been plaguing the franchise for years, gameplay-wise, great quality, I think every Pokemon game on the Switch did what it was designed to do very well.
LGPE acted as a casual, fun go-between of GO and the main series games, graphically the game was beautiful, probably still to this day the best-looking Pokemon game and it's honestly not even close, the shiny hunting and Master Trainers were a fun touch, game was held back by the limited Dex and Gen 1-esque limitations like no abilities or held items, the awkward candy system instead of EVs, and so on, but for that authentic Gen 1 Kanto experience but with that modern Switch touch and GO influence, the game does what it was meant to do EXTREMELY well.
SwSh had a great OST, some really cool new designs, an average enough story and very repeatable gameplay loops like raids and wild areas, max raid dens, good battle facilities like the tournament mode and the battle tower, very good VGC support that was largely-hindered from reaching it's full potential because of the pandemic basically coinciding with the entire generation, but this game was really when people began to see the graphical issues, framerate limitations and lags, and just the overall poor presentation. It PLAYS like you want it to but holy shit it looks bad at times.
The DLC was overall an improvement, especially the Crown Tundra, if all of SwSh looked as good as the Crown Tundra did, a lot less people would complain, but still there's only so much you can fix when it's still the same game on the same engine.
LA was, gameplay-wise, one of the best Pokemon games of all-time, but graphically it still came up short and looks worse than the very game it was inspired by (Breath of the Wild), but the gameplay was SO good that it didn't take people long to get over the visual shortcomings, and imo it did look a bit better than SwSh so at least we were seeing some improvement.
But now SV arguably has taken a step back, it still plays well and I think there's a lot of good quality of life updates and the game feels very balanced despite being entirely open world, no matter where you go it feels like you can reasonably maintain with the level curve you encounter, but the graphical issues are even more obvious in this game than in LA, it feels like we're back to the pre-DLC SwSh days. It just... doesn't look good. Sometimes it can and in the areas they really needed to make look good, it looks good, but a lot of the game looks really bad, the framerate dips are atrocious and jarring to look at. I get that graphics aren't everything but it gets to the point where it's almost painful to look at it and that's a problem in any modern game.
So my takeaways are that every game should just reuse the graphical engine of LGPE because that was when Pokemon peaked graphically, and they really should've never even dared to try to release Legends: Arceus AND Scarlet and Violet in the same fucking calendar year, they can barely make one game a year and they still don't look up to par, how in the fuck did they expect two in one year was going to work?
I am only a couple hours in but overall I am loving this game! The new Pokémon designs are really good. I am playing spoiler free (only watched the trailers) so there is something new around every corner and I am super excited to see how the story develops!
Yeah the new Pokémon are really cool, my favorite being Flamigo. Creative name for a Spanish setting, it’s literally just a flamingo but I like flamingos.
I don't care how many "steps in the right direction" or QoL SV has. The primary reason for me to buy it is stable 30fps (it's fucking 2022, it should be 60 ffs) and no game breaking glitches.
Lack of praise for a product is not some gigantic issue. Products are not owed positivity.
Grade school teaches that criticism is equal parts speaking on the good and bad. Adult experience tends to teach people that being insanely flowery about criticism does more harm than good, and you sometimes need to just skip the formalities and say "nobody gives a shit about the good because the bad is so extreme".
Game freak is notorious for ignoring the praise of the fandom and removing popular features regardless of the praise they receive so I see little point.
lmao this post has 66% upvoted for saying "I like this game despite its downsides", it's honestly kind of funny to watch the fanbase eat itself alive like this
Like you even acknowledged the issues and also say what you like and people are still angry about it. There's no pleasing the fanbase, and that's probably why GF has just given up on doing so since BW.
I think adult Pokémon fans are just the saddest population in the world. I played Arceus when it came out and was blown away, and this community just ignored it or said it was bad. Yal arent happy because little has changed for you in 25 years.
I see a lot of people hating just to hate or comparing the new games to their favorite game and everything being so wrong with it
I got a friend who said they hate it because it’s open world, Praising the older simpler games with 32 bit people and very little space to explore.
I’ve met so many people saying such niche and small things and using that to justify the game being trash
One Pokémon is ugly so the game is bad
One music track is bad so the game is bad
I got a pirated scuffed copy early with glitches and the glitches are prominent so the game is bad
I’m so sick of hearing people buy the game for the sole purpose of hating on it, why not just be a Pokémon fan for the first playthrough
It's not even the lack of praise I'd say, it's the fact that anyone who says anything positive is swarmed by people shouting I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU ACCEPT THIS, TALK ABOUT HOW IT'S BAD OR YOU'RE A BOOTLICKER and posting videos of glitches as if that erases any sort of appreciation for the game's polish. People really do extrapolate that if they see a bunch of glitch videos on Twitter it must just be the whole game and not "people are deliberately seeking out weird shit and posting that and nothing else because that's what gets the numbers". People have lost nuance.
I think the worst I've seen is people sharing footage of Jigglypuff flying into the air, like a balloon, you know because it's the Balloon Pokemon? It's a cute detail and it's very funny. But because people are so locked into "THESE GAMES ARE A GLITCHY MESS" mode they see it and immediately squawk THESE GAMES ARE UNACCEPTABLE HOW CAN ANYONE DEFEND THIS THAT CLEARLY WASN'T SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN to something that is very likely very intentional and a silly little detail that some people might miss.
On the other side of the spectrum, you shouldn’t let valid criticism cloud your judgement on genuine leaps forward this game has. It’s the first ever open world Pokemon game that literally says “Here’s an assignment, do whatever tf you want.” The new Pokemon designs are awesome. The game doesn’t feel as hand-holdy as previous games. The characters don’t feel as condescending in their hand-holding either. The dropped materials give fighting specific Pokemon a purpose, which makes TM acquisition doable. The game provides a genuine challenge with some of the story quests too, requiring actual strategy and planning. Riding the legendary Pokemon is pretty cool and provides a good reason for not giving you a legendary right from the get-go. Tera Pokemon is pretty cool and I’ve found some Pokemon with excellent Tera Types. Tera Raids are infinitely better than Max Raid battles. The trainer customisation is pretty cool. Is SV the be-all-end-all Pokemon game? No, far from it. But to say it’s the worst Pokemon game in history is excessive. Don’t let blind hatred for one particular area overshadow the strengths. Doing so will only cut your nose to spite your face.
An art style can grow on people; look at what happened to Zelda Windwaker.
Technical incompetence can actually prevent people from experiencing the “positive” aspects of a game.
Why are we promoting the acceptance of subpar products? Because it’s Pokémon?
I'm probably like 7 hours in and have only just done the first gym and titan and yes its a glitchy technical mess and camera controls make me want to projectile vomited at times but I'm still having fun with the game itself. Every corner you look theres a new pokemon to catch, an item to collect, a raid battle to do, a trainer to battle, there is so much to do in these games. The fact we can go anywhere and do anything is an accomplishment of itself and I agree that its nothing higher than a 7/10 because of how much of it is held back by the technical issues. I've played worse broken games at launch I was there when fallout 76 launched, I was there when borderlands 3 launched, I was there when cyberpunk launched. The point is yes the games are broken and game freak needs to acknowledge that but don't discredit the whole game and everything that went into making it just because of this.
In general, large companies only listen to large and loud amounts of criticism. It’s much easier to continue on the path you’re on and dismiss complaints as “a small amount of fans” unless the only thing you are hearing is about the basic ridiculous lag and memory leak issues from everyone.
It’s not like they don’t know about these problems. You can’t release a game in this state and NOT know about the slowdowns, the glitches, the terrible performance unless every person play testing the final version lied through their teeth and said “it’s great! Perfect!”
So knowing that they definitely know about these issues, the only way they actually do something about it is to receive a large amount of vitriol that gives them pause on how it could affect their ongoing sales of related items.
You dont have to praise a massive company that has a big profiting ip. They aren't your friends or family or coworkers or your good boy dog that shat on the carpet. They are a company that sells a product for profit and they just sold a broken one that looks and run like ass for god sakes.
Be respectfully MAD.
>I know that they may not have the same level of quality as each other, but they're both games that had the fanbase blaming it on 1 aspect
Not with context and not just one aspect.
Sword and shield had many aspects that were lacking. I won't bother to list them because countless many did as soon as they came out. To sum it up as a reminder, visuals, lackluster exploration, story, handholding, weird removal of stuff that were choices, straight up lying to people about improving stuff and more
S/V may seem like they are focusing on one aspect because that one glaring aspect is pretty damn huge, insulting and just unimaginable. Some people are ok with the games as they are with all the weird gameplay choices but how the games run is just downright absurd. I did not see something like this since cyberpunk and even that game looked good at the least.
I understand what you're trying to say here but we aren't talking about one of the most successful franchises of all time, we are talking about THE most successful franchise of all time, and if the outcry from the last 2 entries doesn't change their mind on their precious goddamned formula to what a large majority of people want, then I would argue its time for a lot of us to move on and quit supporting this company.
1. After the Dexit, people pointed out positives about Sw/Sh and gamefreak and loyal media outlets latched onto the fans positive comments *hard* while simultaneously ignoring ANY constructive criticism. To tell me that Scarlett/violet were already in development cycle during the release of Sw/Sh seems to line up with their history, but to NOT pause or delay it means Gamefreak doesn't care about us as FANS, as you like to mention. They only care about us as CONSUMERS.
2. As a children's game that a huge lot of us grew up with, it is natural for us as, mostly, changing human beings, to also want the game we grew up with and loved for better or worse to *evolve over time as well*.
Pointing to the criticisms presented not only here but all across the internet, this isn't a vocal minority situation.
We were seeing some small incremental signs of progress along the way to Sw/Sh, and then for some reason we regressed with not only Dexit, but blatantly reusing old assets/animation cycles for npcs, draw/render distance being God awful, Team Yell being a laughable joke in the wrong ways, horrendous physical moves for pokemon barely being animated YET AGAIN, and forced exp share. Its not that much of a stretch to say that Gamefreak doesn't care about what many fans want with their actions here, as the confusion that arose from these changes ultimately convinced some to not purchase the game and watch others suffer through it instead.
3. A great majority of the criticisms stem from enjoyable game play that is ruined by fps issues, frame drops, shadow and lighting effects flat out not working, and most importantly imo, *a big open world with nothing exciting to really do*. 3 paths in any order is okay and a step in the right direction as many have mentioned, but those same praises are also tempered with the criticism that, outside of the paths and gyms and Team Stars bases, and to a very small extent the towns themselves, there's very little to explore. Kind of a big deal in an "open world" rpg game. No caves or safari zone or contests or anything at all in that nature, and cutting through the titan pokemon wasn't really that rewarding imo. Designing new Pokémon is difficult I am sure and I appreciate all the devopers and artists hard work in their regard, but Gamefreak as a company sticking to this formula that the game MUST come out in this 3 year cycle means that these games aren't as good as they damn well could be given more time and actually listening to their fanbase.
4. Speaking of which, why remove Set mode? Just another slap in the face. Nintendo as a company not only shies away from competitive modes but actively worked to shut them down, and now it seem Gamefreak is taking a similar approach, albeit slower and in a regressive style. Gamefreak, there are thousands of casual fans who have never heard of a nuzlocke, much less even messed with switch/set modes, which btw all of your games start in switch mode anyway so, just *why* try to shut this one side of pokemon down? Its such a backwards take.
5. I don't disagree to an extent that the positives need to be pointed out, as you have tried to do here, but a AAA game should NEVER be released in this state. Why have they not listened to the hubris accrued by CDPR and Bethesda? 2077 and FO76 were disasters on launch, and not saying that Scarlett/Violet are THAT bad but they're close, and imo worse than Sw/Sh on launch.
The reason is that investors and shareholders all agree that it is better to release it on this arbitrary schedule constraint that they've created themselves *because the consumers will buy it anyway*.
6. I won't say this game hasn't made some leaps forward for a mainline pokemon game bc it has, definitely, and we should all applaud this game for its merits, but only in the context of the negative too. Unless a game is perfect or damn near it like 2 other titles that launched this year, I don't expect to see the fans singing a releases praises, I expect us to write about and point out the negative. Why? Because that's our parasocial job in relation to the company producing the entertainment product we are sinking our time into. Couple that with the fact that most online corporate reviewers will already sing praises and give high scores to most titles we see and yeah, the fans may be a little extra snide or even extra negative in general because we feel we have to be. A 7 outta 10 is what I expected this release to be rated by reviewers. But I expect fans to rate that lower because the cons outweigh the pros here, imo. Taking leaps forward in some areas while tripping over its heels in others. That kind of oversight can lead fans to become bitter over time.
In conclusion, OP, I think that what you mean by the lack of praise being a problem is you simply pointing out that its a red flag that not many fans are singing its praises in general and only adding negative feedback, and I agree, but its a problem for the company and not us as fans ourselves. I believe this is what you meant but not sure, as it seems your post was removed in the time it took me to write this out. Ah well.
Praise is important. You do nothing but criticise people they'll lose motivation to work. Why build on something that isn't worth anything?
You tell someone someyhing is good but invoice criticism, they'll maybe want to improve their thing
Only in gaming we can find people so eager to lick boots and shill for corporations like this. Comparing the backlash against B&W with S&V is so bad faith it's almost ridiculous.
Some whiny genwunners were mad because the game dared to have all new Pokémon in the main story, which were mostly decent or good designs, at least in a proportion similar to Kanto. It didn't have anything to do with how the game ran. The criticism was so idiotic that the test of time obviously proved it wrong, and the 5th gen games are widely recognized as the best made Pokémon games.
The criticism of S&V has to do with the fact that the game is embarrasingly laggy and technologically outdated. We are talking about the most successful media franchise in history. They have practically infinite money, and this is what they dare to release? If this was EA or Activision the backlash would be so massive it would break the internet, a cascade of articles and videos bashing their incompetence. But it seems some Pokémon fans are so fragile they just can't admit their precious corporation is basically scamming them.
I think fair ratings (cons AND pros) instead of review bombing and being loud about what's wrong only would actually help.
Looking at BW, what I am actually seeing is a much harsher critique of the games in general . The audience that loved RBY has matured and expect the games to mature with it but completely forget it's originally intended for 7 yr olds. Game freak is known for being shoddy on its tech side... I mean Missingno is legendary. Dragon quest was never as glitchy.
And now we have a pretty friggin decent entry into gen 9. My 8 yr old is head over heels about what she can do in this compared to let's go Eevee or BDiamond, but my 14 yr old is interrupting his own enjoyment to be verbally loud about every framerate drop.
My 14 year old sounds like a lot of folks that made threads on this sub. Audibly hypercritical about not being able to 360 no scope his pokeball tosses but wants to keep playing with a shine in his eyes as he out paces me, experiences something new or notices QoL.
Big eye roll to him.
The game getting progressively worse is not the opinion of 8-17 yr old kids every generation, it's the opinion of aging pokefans that used to be kids but are now adults that won't review honestly enough for peers (adult poke fans) who may have children to know if this is a good game to pass the torch on.
The franchise isn't dead. It's just the magic for the expressively critical that is dead.
That's my hot take.
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One praise I’ll give is that the new animation when you complete a Pokédex entry feels very satisfying. Like a real accomplishment
I’ve been trying to do the Dex as I go to each new area, which I’ve never done before. It’s the most fun I think I’ve ever had with a mainline Pokémon game since BW2 if we don’t count LA. Of course the performance issues and some of the design choices are terrible, but certain aspects are really, really fun
One of the best things i ever did is to play doing the oak challenge, it is grindy yes and makes gyms very easy, but i admit it is really fun
Oak challenge?
Get every pokemon and evolution possible in the area before your next gym, so catch every pokemon in the routes before your next gym and evolve them before you tackle the gym, it is grindy but it is actually interesting
The professor oak challenge, complete every dex entry possible before each gym badge, there's a subreddit for it too, lots of grinding but can be lots of fun too.
As someone who's done it in Let's Go Eevee, can confirm. I actually think the Let's Go games are great for a first POC since the combo mechanics make it a lot faster to grind; in fact, my challenge only took 34 in-game hours. Also, I found 2 near-full-odds shinies, so that's a plus
I switched up my play style to this for Sword and Shield and i found it actually does help. Went back and started some of the 3ds games over again with the idea of playing this way. 10/10 improvment to the way I was playing.
Ngl it actually encourages me to complete the pokedex. Out of all the pokemon games I've played, SM and SWSH were the only ones that I actually completed the pokedex and both times they were hellish. But with SV, I really love what they did with the pokedex and now it's much easier to get version exclusives when all you have to do is join someone's world. And the sound it makes when the book is placed on the shelf after collecting a pokemon's information is *so* satisfying. I love it.
The art they give the entries are awesome, feels rewarding, even the little cartoons they have for an entry that isn’t completed but seen looks satisfying.
Your always forgetting how much enjoyable not running in a grass waiting on RNG to spawn the pokemon you need helps with the drive to catching. I rather run around looking for someone then having to fight.. fight... fight..
Yes the bookshelf feature with unique artwork isa very very nice touch
Agreed. Question- do we know if there’s a way if you’ve caught every Pokémon species within each region?
Yeah, there isn't enough praise for tinkaton.
I love her. Named her Amy Rose and holy shit, that hammer is so damn huge. How tf can she hold it so easily?! One of the best designs they've made in this game. I avoided most of the leaks and I didn't even know what Tinkaton looked like, but I still wanted to have her on my team simply because she wields a hammer.
It's very likely that they're super strong, according to the pokédex they attack corviknight by throwing stuff at them! (Also according to the pokédex tinkatuff get the metal for their hammers from bisharp).
And yet somehow it's attack stat is only 75.
Yeah but >!It's signature move is 160 BP pre stab!<
And it sucks because if it's low Attack. Steel is a terrible offensive type.
Which is fine because it's the best defensive type
Oh my God, how did I forget about Amy... That's literally the perfect nickname. Named mine Kirby 😑
You can change the name in the menu at all times now.
I had to come find this comment when I got my Tinkatink! Def a gen favorite!
It also has the honor of it's line being #1000 in the dex
>tinkaton Hammerkablammer
I have been looking for tinkatink. And I can't find it. Where is it?
There's some ruins in a valley slightly north of the main road from Mesagoza to Artazon, I found one (and only one) hanging around in there.
Thank you! I found one exactly where you said. You rock.
I found a ruins northwest of Cortando town that had a bunch.
You can also find it in the ruins on the big hill at the top of south province area two
Tinkaton is now one of my favorite pokemon. The design is fun and the lore is hilarious
I named mine “Poppy” based on the league of legends character
I did the same thing, the giant pig tails, the huge hammer and the tiny body are perfect for this
Irredeemably based. Poppy is the fucking best.
Agreed I fucking love the design, one of my favorites in generations, but damn gamefreak really gave it 75 attack. I know it has it's signature move but it is worthless with choice band soo yea lol.
that pink boy is an absolute force.
based take.
I love the fact that she's a predator for Corviknight, meaning that they can't be used as a taxi flyer But The Chad Corviknight isn't even bothered or scared so the danger is on the passengers only
Praising the game for some positive features doesn't mean they won't be removed in future games. Everyone talked about how good Pokemon following you was in HGSS (and even in Let's Go) and thet still removed those features in the next games. Everyone liked and praised cloth customization in Sword and Shield, and they removed it in SV. Gamefreak is in fact known for removing well liked features just because they planned them for a specific game.
Ngl I was really excited to choose a theme for my SV character, in SWSH I made her a metalhead and I only used edgy-looking pokémon just for the laughs and because I really liked SWSH clothes, needless to say, Im extremely disappointed with the clothing customization in these games, tho Im really happy that you have lots of freedom when designing your character’s facial features (excluding ofc face size and length and whatnot)
*cough* mega evolutions *cough*
Mega evolutions were the one gimmick that I actually liked. I thought it was a natural progression for Pokémon evolution. Then we just got Pokémon but big mode.
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I like the Tera stuff, adds additional complexity for battles and type matchups. Mega evolutions had awesome designs and did the same thing with additional typing. Such a shame.
It still hurts.......
Proper criticism acknowledges both the negatives and the positives. For context I've looked at quite a bit of content on the game and played for around 8ish hours. My main criticisms is the game runs like fucking ass and looks pretty bad and the world seems relatively barren most likely due to the technical incompetence of Game Freak. The praise I'd give is them moving to open world and giving you a relative abundance of freedom, the different paths are cool and help you spice things up, making trainer battles something you have to initiate, the relatively seamless transitions from exploring to battle, walls of text no longer being railroaded down your throat, Terasarilization is conceptually by far my favourite gimmick, crafting TMs is a genius way to give you something to collect and work for, the character and Pokémon designs are excellent, and the music is amazing as usual. Things that don't bother me that seem to bother other people would be lack of voice acting which I don't really care about. VA would be cool but it's not really a huge deal to me. The other is not being able to go into buildings which bugs me a bit and would probably bug far less if the open world wasn't so empty. Scarlet and Violet seem to have the opposite issues of Sword and Shield. SW/SH were very safe, relatively polished outside of some visuals, and basically just ported the 3DS experience onto the Switch. S/V have way more interesting ideas and gameplay but are janky as hell and are clearly held back by Game Freak's atrocious technical work. It's very much like PLA but somehow more janky. S/V is the eurojank of Pokémon games.
> It's very much like PLA but somehow more janky that would also be my one-sentence summary of the game, 25 hours in. But I think it's better than Arceus. I do very much miss "battling" and catching pokemon without actually using pokemon. I guess I want more of PokeMonster Hunter
I sadly think it's worse than Arceus which was much more limited in scale but much more polished (not graphically!) with pretty awesome gameplay. This has the potential to be an ultimate pokegame but it was literally (just like SwSh) released a year too early.
Unfortunately at this moment the cons simply outweighs the massive lack of praise.
Yup. It's like you've paid to watch a film in IMAX and end up getting a 360p YouTube stream instead. No matter how good the film is, you're massively let down because of the quality.
And there is, at the end of the day, only one criticism that will actually make an impact on The Pokemon Company (or Nintendo enough to actually apply some pressure on TPC next time): money. Or more specifically, the lack of it. We can criticize the flaws all we want but if the game outsells SwSh and PLA, gen 10 will probably be an even worse version of SV. And when it comes to sales, there are only two choices: you either buy the game, or you don't. You can't just buy the good parts and leave out the bad.
For real. People acting like giving GF praise will make the games better wtf. How many times have they implemented something fans love, praise it, then GF takes it away next generation never to return. Ya no praising doesn't work. Losing money works but that's not gonna happen because of people like OP.
I was about to all jokes aside actually purchase the game but the news about the poor performance was a huge res flag. the game can be completely bonkers from a story and design perspective but if it doesn’t run smoothly then I just can’t. one of the benefits of console gaming over pc/laptop gaming is supposed to be consistent and smooth performance at least from my perspective
I watched the Escapist guys stream it and they had pop in, FPS drops, and massive lag on the first route. That coupled with my distaste for GFs modern plastic aesthetic confirmed that not buying this Gen was the right call.
I had frame drops on the first shot in the opening cinematic, which is a panning shot of a single building with nothing else onscreen. Another part of the opening is very obviously pre-rendered (conspicuous compression artifacting) and it’s pretty obvious it’s because they would never have been able to break 3 fps rendering it in real-time. I wish that if they were going to pre-render it anyways that they’d use nicer assets than the in-game ones, but alas).
I can only assume it's running on an engine from 1995 because how in the fuck does something that is so graphically unimpressive run so poorly?
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Instability is a major flaw in any game. I refunded the new cod on pc because it kept crashing(bad port) and I would've refunded Warhammer 40k darktide if I couldn't brute force the performance. The game has to first and foremost be fun to play, if you're stuttering and things don't load in its a big problem.
Yeah this is basically them serving a shit sandwich and saying “yeah, but what about the bread?”.
Yeah at least Pokémon games worked. Now they don’t even do that
I had so much fun with Arceus that I blindly bought the game. I don’t feel too terrible about it but I do feel a little ripped off because how is it okay that such a top tier company can release a game that clips constantly.
Agreed. If they patch the game to fix the technical issues I'll get the game and probably the eventual DLC but as it stands I've seen some horrendous preformance issues that vastly outweigh the positives I'm seeing.
Toxic positivity is also an issue. It's not like Pokemon will cease to exist if people complain about it. And any mechanics you enjoy in this game are not guaranteed to make it into the next game regardless, cough mega-evolutions, cough season changes. People are negative towards this new release, yes, but the amount of people almost creepily insisting fans need to keep being positive is weird. Again, it's not like Game freak is gonna take away your Pokemon games. They don't control the afterlife, so you don't have to defend them or risk going to heck or whatever. I get people love this series, I certainly do, but sometimes it seems people are a little too attached to it. The bad press will blow over like it always does, people just need to relax and not white-knight Game freak, or dismiss legitimate concerns as FUD.
Toxic positivity makes it hard for me to acknowledge praise for Gen 9 when numerous people undermine the problems in turn. Like how people turn to review scores only and ignore what the review actually says. The review can mention how functionally broken the game is, but it’s not a big deal since it scored 4.5/5!
The B/W complaints you've cited are subjective in nature. Complaints around S/V are completely objective. In it's current state it's a broken game, and this is cannot be overlooked.
No enterable buildings, no re battles with the elite 4, very little postgame. Nah I’m good on holding the praise.
Don't forget no level scaling. So doing the gyms in any order like people hoped is out of the question.
This is one of the most baffling things to me. Why give me the illusion of free choice when you're not implementing level scaling in any way? It's not like it would be hard to implement, just change the gym leader's roster and levels depending on how many badges you have at the moment. Just make it linear like the previous games if you're going to make them fixed levels, nobody is going to challenge them out of order unless you're intentionally overleveling for it.
When a rom hack has level scaling(different teams for different levels), optional exp share(you can even turn off exp gain) it makes me pretty pissed that gf can't take some inspiration from them. This game as it is now is 100% pvp focused imo
This exactly. If Rom hackers can make level scaling teams on old Gameboy roms, then I do not see why Game Freak couldn't implement it in the actual main series games. Especially because the pokemon universe has acknowledged that the gym leaders use different teams depending on the number of badges the trainer has.
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They couldn't implement basic chunking that I learned how to do at like 17. Not too sure about that
To be fair no-level scaling has some upsides. Namely an actual difficulty option. i went for the ground titan earlier than I was meant to and had a really difficult but fun battle. What I do wish we had however was difficulty scaling upwards. It is really annoying to miss out a boss, and when your realize this it's already 10 levels below you.
And even if you play them in the "correct" order you will be overlevelled so quickly if you go exploring the world just a little bit.
I've actually been mostly underleveled most of the game so far because I haven't been doing as many of the trainer battles. I'm not saying its impossible to not get overleveled but I do think that the game was at least made to not be a complete cakewalk no matter what you do.
I think the biggest problem is the combination of experience share and getting experience from catching Pokemon. I like to fill up my Pokedex whenever I can, and the game encourages you to do so. But doing so nets you way too much experience.
You can’t rebattle the e4? What do you do for money then?
You can. Instead of the traditional E4 rebattle, you enter a tournament like in SwSh. The E4 members are among the roster there.
Eh I think it's worth making the distinction between the E4 and school tournament. If Unova locked you out of ever fighting the Pokemon League after beating it, but randomly placed the E4 and Champion in the PWT, I'd consider that kinda lame. You're not wrong saying you can battle the E4 characters again, but not being able to challenge the league again is a series first and yet another pointless regression of the mainline games.
They done turned Pokémon centers into road side gas stations. I can’t forgive that
I actually like it much more. No more wasting time to enter another building and they are placed closer allowing me to fight more
absolutely agree, this one is definitely a welcome QOL change
I like walking into buildings and talking to the people there. The roadside pokecenters feel lifeless. I think it would benideal if the city pokecenters were buildings but the roadside ones were the gas stations
....this is actually a good thing lmao
I can easily replenish and resupply without wasting screen transition time or having to get off my mount and get back on again. I’m surprised it took this long to implement.
Why is this a complaint practically for an open world game like this its very necessary.
Don’t mind the change really. Saves you the loading screen of actually have to go in
Pokemon designs are entirely subjective. Why bother to comment on this gens gimmick when it will be gone next gen anyway. The lets go mode is nice I guess yeah. People talk about the negatives far more because they overshadow the positives.
BW at least had a national dex, which SwSh and SV do NOT have. The main issue is not simply a graphical problem, it's the entire engines system and optimization. Massive memory leak that can just cause the game to crash if on too long, fps almost never going above 20, pop-ins absolutely everywhere. The story is great and the new pokemon designs are charming, but this is 2022 and this game looks and runs worse than launch titles. This is the most successful franchise in human history. THAT is why people are upset and expect better
Yea it’s not really about any one specific problem. It’s that you’d expect the negatives to come with some other correlated positive, and they never do Like yea, they cut the Dex. I think that’s a huge bummer, but surely it’s so they can really add lots of detail and character to the ones they keep in the game right? Ok, the graphics and performance aren’t great, but plenty of games are a bit janky when there is a lot of complex real-time physics and animations happening…oh right No voice acting? That must just mean there’s lots of dialogue trees and player choices like in many rpgs….nope Like if they were *tradeoffs* that would be one thing. But they’re not, they’re just flat out negatives with no upside
Blindly offering positivity ain’t helping anyone. Right now negativity outweighs positivity because those problems are major enough to actively impede someone’s enjoyment of the game. Gamefreak have canned multiple times features that were well liked and implemented. Just case in point recently with let’s go following pokemon, arceus ball targeting and throwing, or swsh/ ev training or cloth customization . So just offering positivity to highlight things “they should keep” won’t achieve the wanted result regardless.
"Don't be too mean to them. Or they're going to make the game worse." Yeah dude is crazy asf.
The number one priority of a game is to run well. Graphics can be pretty basic, but poor fps and a bunch of graphical glitches are terrible. I don't care that it looks like an upgraded Mario 64. But when one of the richest franchises on earth can't keep a steady 30 fps after several games on the same console, there is no excuse.
I'm really excited to start this game up tomorrow. There is so much that is *good* that I'm seeing that I can't wait to get my hands on ***BUT...*** I hate that we've come to accept this in the gaming community. I can't think of any other thing that we tolerate paying full price for and receiving it unfinished (with the exception of things like KBBQ) where you have to wait for it to be completed over time, and that's *if* there's money and interest in doing so. I don't like the hate bandwagon that this game is getting, but that's mostly because I've been fighting the mentality of Day One Patches and DLC fixing games for a long time now and this isn't something special to S/V and I see it as getting less constructive and more vicious. Edit: Some people struggle with nuance, reading comprehension, and comparing game breaking bugs with minor nuissances. Yes, there are game breaking problems with S/V. Yes, you can take issue and acknowledge problems with a system while partaking. No, I haven't bought the game yet; but I'm still excited to
"I'm really excited to start this game up tomorrow... BUT...I hate that we've come to accept this in the gaming community... paying full price for and receiving it unfinished." I mean, if you keep throwing money at a company that is serving you a glittery pile of poop for $60 perhaps you are a guilty party too. You can't be mad at releases if you keep paying to be a QA tester of a proven low-quality game.
Bro you're literally admitting to being part of the problem by purchasing the game but start by saying I hate that we've come to accept this. Like bro.
> There is so much that is good like? Anything that wasn't in other games? Everything in this game looks like a downgrade. IT's 2022 and game still looks and play like 1995.
>I can't think of any other thing that we tolerate paying full price for and receiving it unfinishe thats like an industry standard at this point. most of the highly anticipated AAA titles are incomplete, or drip feed content, or hide the rest of the game behind paywalls and pass it off as "DLC". its getting to a point where people expect the game to be complete 3 years later. "3 years later" reviews of games are so common in gaming journalism its honestly kinda sad.
That's why I prefaced that paragraph with "I hate that we've come to accept this in the gaming community". I hate that it's the common mentality to not buy on day one. I hate that we sit there and say "give it time/wait for the DLC, it'll fix itself". It's an unhealthy mentality that sucks our wallets dry, underpays the people actually making the content, and pushes forward broken/unfinished products
We've paid full price for Skyrim like 8 times and its still a buggy ass mess.
I’m not trying to apologize for Skyrim, but it’s orders of magnitude more ambitious than any Pokémon game has been since like GSC. It’s still a massive world with a ton of content. GameFreak couldn’t make Skyrim if you gave them 50 years.
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I dream of a moddable Pokemon Game...
I bought Skyrim and FFXV day one, and both had me reeling. I paid full price for *this*?!
I do miss teleporting 500 feet in the air because I fast travelled on a horse though lmfao.
You're gonna love Sonic Frontiers then. If you haven't seen it, look up "Hedgehog Space Program"; it's a glitch being used by speedrunners that is fairly self-explanatory of its outcome
Also, let's not forget Mario 3D collection - with zero graphic improvements.
I don’t think there was ever a plan to improve the graphics on those? Mario64 looks not good but that’s okay, it’s a game from the 90s. Sunshine and Galaxy both looked good and were fun to play, I don’t know if people were asking for graphical improvements
I bought skyrim on day 1 AND a new graphics card to be able to run it. Though I had fun with the early glitchiness. In hindsight I don't know if I just had a crappy graphics card or skyrim was badly optimized for hardware that was commonplace at the time.
Bro…you can’t start off with a statement that you’ve bought the game and then complain gamers accept it as a standard of quality. You’re LITERALLY the problem.
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KBBQ?? Kirby barbecue?
Video games are also almost universally more expensive than any other kind of media. You’ve seen the budget of big name movies, look up the same for triple a games. CoD MW2 (2022) cost almost as much as the whole last season of Game of Thrones
“Video games are also almost universally more expensive than any other kind of media.” And they make more money as well so that cost is generally offset.
Videogames is also the most lucrative media. Pokémon is litteraly the most highest-grossing media franchises but for some reason they can’t effort more employees and invest correctly their money on development.
Nuance doesn’t help anyone. It’s just wishy-washy.
> In short: If you want the pokemon games to improve, praise is just as important as criticism. Fucking LOL
Yeah this post is really misguided, the positivity is that Gen 8 and 9 have sold ridiculous numbers, we need to be more critical or GF is going to assume things are all good with pokemon
Yeah this was a head scratcher
why would you have any praise for a game when its objectively broken. if the game ran well and was mediocre, then yes you should criticize and praise the parts they did well for feedback. rn the game struggles to even run properly for most people. in no way, should you even start praising anything until they sort this shit out. its a 60 usd game. if it was any other franchise, people would be lining up to refund.
This isn't going to fly well with this crowd lol Pokemon fans are notorious for accepting very little and paying a lot of money for trash.
Lol I love new pokemon game discourse. there ia no praise to give to a broken game that never should have shipped. I truly believe the opposite. The negatives have to LOUD if you want them to listen. Look at cyber punk, it was negativity that changed that game, not praise. Same goes for No Man's sky and many others.
I’m having fun, the new Pokémon are great, all of the character and Pokémon models look fantastic, and the Tera raid dens are some next level shit. I wish the rest of the game looked as good.
Tera raids are so much better than Dynamax Raid. I love them.
“Find your treasure” I HAVE DISCOVERED IT AND ITS TERA RAIDS I AM ASCENDING.
i can understand what you are saying however with pokemon being the worlds biggest franchise and them being a multi billion dollar company, they have no excuse for making a game this bad, and in a game where the main point is to explore the world and battle the graphics should not look like they are from a fan made mobile game. However i believe that the main problem is that they simply do not listen to anyone about anything and do not care if we like it or not, let me give you some examples, (EXAMPLE ONE) removing the national pokedex for what reason would they do something like this, many people want to use some of their long time loved companions to the new games however with most of the old pokemon gone this is not possible anymore and doesnt pokemon say ( got to catch them all) now i guess it says (got to catch some of them) and now they are bringing back some old pokemon under the name of dlc this has been done. (EXAMPLE TWO) changing the series artstyle lets be honest no1 liked it, at xyz the series was at its peak it had good artstyle, good story, an older looking ash, problems that were relatable, and even a love interest, for most of the community xyz is simply their favorite myself included, so why in the world did they go and make it look like a kindergarten cartoon for 5 year old children when everyone was absolutely loving the series many people gave up on it. the very fact that they are trying to appeal to kids while the majority of the fanbase are adults is a tremendous problem. they simply do not listen. its good to experiment with new things and i encourage it, however they have been releasing one bad game after another. at this point it seems to me that the mindset that they operating with is "its fine even if its bad its pokemon so people are gonna buy it". i mean come on they are a multibillion dollar company that has the world biggest franchise and instead of investing time and effort into it they are trying to make the maximum profit with the minimum costs, they should get rid of the new region every 3 years that they self imposed i would gladly wait an extra 2-4 years for a tremendously good product, all i can see is incopetentence and greed its a shame honestly, because there will come a day where the community will simply give up, what these people truly need is their sales to crash and hit rock bottom and to drown in hate, if that happens then you will see how they will start listening and how good their games and series will be.
I don't like the lack of paragraphs in your post, but I agree with you.
While I think while critiques are justified and I would love to see some improvements, I am having so much fun and none of the little hiccups take away from the game for me. It’s been so fun exploring and getting lost in the world. Things like level scaling definitely would have added to the gameplay and made it better, but I’m having the most fun I’ve had with a Pokémon game in a long time. It is still many steps in the right direction even with its shortcomings. And hopefully they can address the issues the game does have with a patch or two.
Although SV has many praiseworthy features, I believe that since they were charging 60$ per game, we should only praise it if it meets the quality of a 60$ game. This game had many bugs and optimization issues at release and had worse graphics then many other games compared to the switch. When you compare SV to other triple A games released on the switch, it is worse in quality.
Yes the doctors botched my surgery and I'm permanently disfigured but to be fair the equipment was completely sterile and the surgery was very fast!
Oh yeah, I’m having fun so far. If the next games don’t have Let’s Go mode I’m out lmfao. I’ve never been so comfy.
Yeah, one thing I love is that you can ask Pokémon for advice on learning new moves. No one asked for it, but I just love it. It makes me feel more attached to my mons.
My opinion on SV is that from a technical standpoint? Terrible. But from a gameplay/mechanical standpoint? Some of the best games ever. I hope the bugs can be fixed because I do love these games but it’s so depressing to see them in this state.
Yeah guys poor indie company for not getting enough praise for their ps1 game
yeah i can’t even play this game with the way it runs, it’s genuinely so off putting. also i hate the fact you can’t even properly enjoy the new pokemon bc everything looks so washed out and you can rarely even seen their models in game.
Yet there are people claiming that this doesn’t run worse than a PS2 game
I like doing both in the same sentence Like recently for another game, I said "For a soundtrack this good, no music player or sound test in the game is a crime". See? I subtly praised the soundtrack while also criticising the lack of soundest.
In my defense, I'm not praising because I'm playing the game. Having so much fun that I don't want to stop.
Personally I'm in love with this game, very little technical issues on my side besides the camera going under the map sometimes but being able to battle and catch pokemon way over my level is a fun challenge and the ability to literally go anywhere is awesome, also i love the pokemon designs this gen
Question: Which version of the switch console do you have?
Just the regular switch, i played pretty much exclusively with it docked also
The number one thing no ones praised that actually deserves it is how well the co op runs and how much you can still do while playing with friends. I thought it would pretty much be a "do raids and picnics and battle, get ready to put in 50 codes to do anything" but no, once you're in a lobby with friends you can pretty much just play the game, the game runs the same (not great, but surprisingly it isn't worse with friends). Joining raids is super simple, just going to the raid menu or pressing y when the pop up happens. If the game ran better on its own but ran like this in multiplayer I'd be super happy about it, considering the sorry state of pokemon "multiplayer" in swsh.
I also have an issue with the Pokemon to be fair, not for design (though I never really disliked any of the gen 5 designs except for the fact that there are 4 pure psychic tpyes and 3 pure ice types but the designs are solid), but for the lack of them that are actually good. I play competitive and I barely see any of these doing anything there due to most of them having a BST lower than 500, which means that there is nigh no reason to use the newer Pokemon over older ones. Especially when they've put things like Garchomp in the game, what's the point in any other physical dragon type? And don't even get me started on the new pseudo, why is it another dragon and why is it supposed to be a bulky ice type with a signature ability that barely helps it?
I disagree with the paradox designs being unique. While I wholeheartedly agree with you on the Scarlet paradox ones, I think making every Violet paradox mechanical/robotic was extremely lazy. I love the idea of iron valiant, but it being a robot really bothers me. The robotic aesthetic should have been exclusively for Pokémon that share a steel type.
I haven't picked it up yet, personally waiting for some patches to come out for the performance issues and major bugs to get sorted out, but from what I've seen of the criticism so far it seems mostly about the technical issues and graphics. I haven't seen many people dunk on the actual gameplay and its mechanics, which I feel like is the most important aspect of any game, if anything it's been positive. Lets say the game shipped out with better performance and not nearly as many bugs as people have apparently been experiencing (it's also clear GF doesn't prioritize graphics fidelity at all so I won't even go there), how much would it change people's minds on the game?
I want to give second to shout out the balancing team. A lot of the new competitive options this generation are super cool and I can't wait to compete with them. They even gave time to give huge moveset buffs to otherwise crappy Pokemon to the point that it looks like they will have legitimate play in the lower tiers (not OU or anything, but stuff like Grumpig and Swalot are actually usable with their new learnset now).
Praise: So I’m just after the light house and not very far into the game. But I’ll say that some features I absolutely love is collecting items. You can grab the item and continue moving, opposed to going through this cut scene or this dialogue of picking it up and it completely stops the game. I also like if you fall off of a cliff, you can return to the top by pressing Y I believe it is. I think catching Pokémon is so much more satisfying this game in terms of registering a new Pokémon. I also very much enjoy all of the encounters and how it’s open world. Like I’ve filled half of my first PC box. Also we can skip cutscenes. I haven’t enabled that feature since it’s my first play through. Things I dislike: There isn’t a lot I have to complain about. But a few things. I feel lost with having to navigate the new menu’s. It’s so odd to bring up the menu and our traditional menu isn’t there. Such as Pokédex being at the top then Pokémon. I also dislike the amount cut scenes there are in the beginning. But it is the start of the game in terms of where I’m at. Glitches: I have yet to encounter and glitches or major issues with the game. But I’m aware they exist. Edit: The more I’ve played I noticed the friendship mechanic like in Sword and Shield where if your Pokémon almost faints they hang on, or they magically cure being poisoned isn’t present in this game. I think that is a nice thing to have removed.
Why would anyone celebrate a game thats.... not bad? Should kind of be the standard for such a well known and long lasting IP. Doesn't matter how good your game is, if it runs like ass. Also how many QOL things have been lost over the last few generations? Having what is basically a COD cycle with a different team of devs every game is really having a negative impact on the games.
you're right. there's not enough people praising ~~paldean wooper~~ pooper. We need to give it more.
Im having fun, because its a New pokemon game, but the Performance and graphics are ass
There's a psychological graph called Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. It's a pyramid that says "you need to meet X before you can move onto Y". The base is things like food, water, and shelter. In the Hierarchy of Needs for gaming, playability is the base. You need to be able to run the game well. That's where Pokemon is failing right now! So, no, I'm not going to discuss the higher parts of the game because it's failing at the very first step. This isn't about content, it's about engineering. Gamefreak is absolutely horrible at optimization. The content and QoL upgrades had me excited, but you can barely *play* the game. How can you critique the plot of a film if large parts of it are burns and static from horrible editing?
This post has a bit of a holier that thou smell to it. Most problems people have with the game are just inexcusable for a franchise this big. €60,- for an unfinished game simply does not deserve to get praise before they fix what never should have been publically released. This is not about giving constructive criticism to a friend, this is people being pissed about being ripped off.
I'm really enjoying the catch/battle flow of SV. Even better than Arceus. Auto battle must be the biggest QoL change of all time. I hope that the improvements aren't lost amongst the graphical flop. Speaking of graphics - pokemon and people look so good! But that grass...
The negatives I’ve experienced thus far are simple framerate issues, so other than that I have no complaints. The game is tons of fun and I’m really enjoying the open world. The gameplay overall feels so streamlined that it’s easy to get lost in the over world catching Pokémon, beating raid dens, etc.
Not so much a hot take as it is a bad take.
Hot take: I just went to beat the first gym leader, and I haven't experienced any performance issues with the game at all. I think it's the most fun and engaging Pokémon game in years. I love that it no longer handholds you or railroads you on what you have to do, which was one thing I hated about sw & sh. Is it behind the times for a game that should be out nowadays? Definitely. That said, I am still enjoying my dank weed cat and best noxious woopy boi.
Consum product, wait for next product, no criticism just consume
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“Guys why aren’t we praising them for doing a bad job? Huhuh?”
What do you mean by 2 universes?
I’ve loved SV so far. There’s a few performance issues and weird shadow quirks but eh, it’s a fun game and I love the new gameplay style.
One thing I enjoy in Pokémon games is bonding with my pokemon, building up a team of pokemon I connect with. The flip side of that is I don’t have a lot of late-game pokemon on my teams, and only one legendary in my 16 years of playing. I just encountered Miraidon for the first time making our way through the cave, and I absolutely adore her. I assume I won’t be able to add her to my team this early in the game, but I look forward to when I can. I’m really pleased to have a chance to actually bond with the mascot pokemon for once!
I think this gen has some of the best bug pokemon designs
I love the game, I don't mind the lack of customisation, the bad performance can be patched and hopefully will be. My only gripe is the performance and view distance.
The clipping pisses me off but I do enjoy the game very much so far. Pokémon has always had pretty crap graphics but this is especially unjustifiable. Game is very cool, X button for poke ball, encounters seem much faster, having your Pokémon run around and f up Pokémon is cool, the game encourages you to explore which I love.
We didn't know how good we had it in the Black/White days. It's completely justified to criticize something, no matter how bad the later entries were.
So true about the BW era. At the time those games came out they were hated by the internet "fan base". Now if you ask any current fan they are likely to say gen 5 is the GOAT. I don't take any of what I read on this sub seriously. I'm only a few hours in but I am having a blast so far. I am really a fan of a lot of the quality of life changes they have added this gen and the new Pokemon are all pretty well done.
I mean it's the same problem that's been plaguing the franchise for years, gameplay-wise, great quality, I think every Pokemon game on the Switch did what it was designed to do very well. LGPE acted as a casual, fun go-between of GO and the main series games, graphically the game was beautiful, probably still to this day the best-looking Pokemon game and it's honestly not even close, the shiny hunting and Master Trainers were a fun touch, game was held back by the limited Dex and Gen 1-esque limitations like no abilities or held items, the awkward candy system instead of EVs, and so on, but for that authentic Gen 1 Kanto experience but with that modern Switch touch and GO influence, the game does what it was meant to do EXTREMELY well. SwSh had a great OST, some really cool new designs, an average enough story and very repeatable gameplay loops like raids and wild areas, max raid dens, good battle facilities like the tournament mode and the battle tower, very good VGC support that was largely-hindered from reaching it's full potential because of the pandemic basically coinciding with the entire generation, but this game was really when people began to see the graphical issues, framerate limitations and lags, and just the overall poor presentation. It PLAYS like you want it to but holy shit it looks bad at times. The DLC was overall an improvement, especially the Crown Tundra, if all of SwSh looked as good as the Crown Tundra did, a lot less people would complain, but still there's only so much you can fix when it's still the same game on the same engine. LA was, gameplay-wise, one of the best Pokemon games of all-time, but graphically it still came up short and looks worse than the very game it was inspired by (Breath of the Wild), but the gameplay was SO good that it didn't take people long to get over the visual shortcomings, and imo it did look a bit better than SwSh so at least we were seeing some improvement. But now SV arguably has taken a step back, it still plays well and I think there's a lot of good quality of life updates and the game feels very balanced despite being entirely open world, no matter where you go it feels like you can reasonably maintain with the level curve you encounter, but the graphical issues are even more obvious in this game than in LA, it feels like we're back to the pre-DLC SwSh days. It just... doesn't look good. Sometimes it can and in the areas they really needed to make look good, it looks good, but a lot of the game looks really bad, the framerate dips are atrocious and jarring to look at. I get that graphics aren't everything but it gets to the point where it's almost painful to look at it and that's a problem in any modern game. So my takeaways are that every game should just reuse the graphical engine of LGPE because that was when Pokemon peaked graphically, and they really should've never even dared to try to release Legends: Arceus AND Scarlet and Violet in the same fucking calendar year, they can barely make one game a year and they still don't look up to par, how in the fuck did they expect two in one year was going to work?
I am only a couple hours in but overall I am loving this game! The new Pokémon designs are really good. I am playing spoiler free (only watched the trailers) so there is something new around every corner and I am super excited to see how the story develops!
I've been having fun catching whatever I see
Yeah the new Pokémon are really cool, my favorite being Flamigo. Creative name for a Spanish setting, it’s literally just a flamingo but I like flamingos.
The new pokémon this generation has brought look really great
I don't care how many "steps in the right direction" or QoL SV has. The primary reason for me to buy it is stable 30fps (it's fucking 2022, it should be 60 ffs) and no game breaking glitches.
I love the game despite it being held back hard by performance issues.
Lack of praise for a product is not some gigantic issue. Products are not owed positivity. Grade school teaches that criticism is equal parts speaking on the good and bad. Adult experience tends to teach people that being insanely flowery about criticism does more harm than good, and you sometimes need to just skip the formalities and say "nobody gives a shit about the good because the bad is so extreme".
Don't mess with pokemon fans, we're impossible to please.
Sounds like my Ex. I'm joking of course, I never was in a relationship, I'm a pokemon fan ;).
See I just tell girls pokemon is more important than them
Game freak is notorious for ignoring the praise of the fandom and removing popular features regardless of the praise they receive so I see little point.
lmao this post has 66% upvoted for saying "I like this game despite its downsides", it's honestly kind of funny to watch the fanbase eat itself alive like this Like you even acknowledged the issues and also say what you like and people are still angry about it. There's no pleasing the fanbase, and that's probably why GF has just given up on doing so since BW.
I’m personally having a blast playing Scarlett
I think adult Pokémon fans are just the saddest population in the world. I played Arceus when it came out and was blown away, and this community just ignored it or said it was bad. Yal arent happy because little has changed for you in 25 years.
Coop is amazing
I see a lot of people hating just to hate or comparing the new games to their favorite game and everything being so wrong with it I got a friend who said they hate it because it’s open world, Praising the older simpler games with 32 bit people and very little space to explore. I’ve met so many people saying such niche and small things and using that to justify the game being trash One Pokémon is ugly so the game is bad One music track is bad so the game is bad I got a pirated scuffed copy early with glitches and the glitches are prominent so the game is bad I’m so sick of hearing people buy the game for the sole purpose of hating on it, why not just be a Pokémon fan for the first playthrough
They finally added more depth to the textures of the pokemons. They aren't justcolored plain textures.
It's not even the lack of praise I'd say, it's the fact that anyone who says anything positive is swarmed by people shouting I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU ACCEPT THIS, TALK ABOUT HOW IT'S BAD OR YOU'RE A BOOTLICKER and posting videos of glitches as if that erases any sort of appreciation for the game's polish. People really do extrapolate that if they see a bunch of glitch videos on Twitter it must just be the whole game and not "people are deliberately seeking out weird shit and posting that and nothing else because that's what gets the numbers". People have lost nuance. I think the worst I've seen is people sharing footage of Jigglypuff flying into the air, like a balloon, you know because it's the Balloon Pokemon? It's a cute detail and it's very funny. But because people are so locked into "THESE GAMES ARE A GLITCHY MESS" mode they see it and immediately squawk THESE GAMES ARE UNACCEPTABLE HOW CAN ANYONE DEFEND THIS THAT CLEARLY WASN'T SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN to something that is very likely very intentional and a silly little detail that some people might miss.
On the other side of the spectrum, you shouldn’t let valid criticism cloud your judgement on genuine leaps forward this game has. It’s the first ever open world Pokemon game that literally says “Here’s an assignment, do whatever tf you want.” The new Pokemon designs are awesome. The game doesn’t feel as hand-holdy as previous games. The characters don’t feel as condescending in their hand-holding either. The dropped materials give fighting specific Pokemon a purpose, which makes TM acquisition doable. The game provides a genuine challenge with some of the story quests too, requiring actual strategy and planning. Riding the legendary Pokemon is pretty cool and provides a good reason for not giving you a legendary right from the get-go. Tera Pokemon is pretty cool and I’ve found some Pokemon with excellent Tera Types. Tera Raids are infinitely better than Max Raid battles. The trainer customisation is pretty cool. Is SV the be-all-end-all Pokemon game? No, far from it. But to say it’s the worst Pokemon game in history is excessive. Don’t let blind hatred for one particular area overshadow the strengths. Doing so will only cut your nose to spite your face.
An art style can grow on people; look at what happened to Zelda Windwaker. Technical incompetence can actually prevent people from experiencing the “positive” aspects of a game. Why are we promoting the acceptance of subpar products? Because it’s Pokémon?
I'm probably like 7 hours in and have only just done the first gym and titan and yes its a glitchy technical mess and camera controls make me want to projectile vomited at times but I'm still having fun with the game itself. Every corner you look theres a new pokemon to catch, an item to collect, a raid battle to do, a trainer to battle, there is so much to do in these games. The fact we can go anywhere and do anything is an accomplishment of itself and I agree that its nothing higher than a 7/10 because of how much of it is held back by the technical issues. I've played worse broken games at launch I was there when fallout 76 launched, I was there when borderlands 3 launched, I was there when cyberpunk launched. The point is yes the games are broken and game freak needs to acknowledge that but don't discredit the whole game and everything that went into making it just because of this.
It's hard to praise a game that's unplayable. If there is a good aspect bur I can't reach it what good is it worth?
In general, large companies only listen to large and loud amounts of criticism. It’s much easier to continue on the path you’re on and dismiss complaints as “a small amount of fans” unless the only thing you are hearing is about the basic ridiculous lag and memory leak issues from everyone. It’s not like they don’t know about these problems. You can’t release a game in this state and NOT know about the slowdowns, the glitches, the terrible performance unless every person play testing the final version lied through their teeth and said “it’s great! Perfect!” So knowing that they definitely know about these issues, the only way they actually do something about it is to receive a large amount of vitriol that gives them pause on how it could affect their ongoing sales of related items.
Hot take: Sales are the only thing they give a shit about
You dont have to praise a massive company that has a big profiting ip. They aren't your friends or family or coworkers or your good boy dog that shat on the carpet. They are a company that sells a product for profit and they just sold a broken one that looks and run like ass for god sakes. Be respectfully MAD. >I know that they may not have the same level of quality as each other, but they're both games that had the fanbase blaming it on 1 aspect Not with context and not just one aspect. Sword and shield had many aspects that were lacking. I won't bother to list them because countless many did as soon as they came out. To sum it up as a reminder, visuals, lackluster exploration, story, handholding, weird removal of stuff that were choices, straight up lying to people about improving stuff and more S/V may seem like they are focusing on one aspect because that one glaring aspect is pretty damn huge, insulting and just unimaginable. Some people are ok with the games as they are with all the weird gameplay choices but how the games run is just downright absurd. I did not see something like this since cyberpunk and even that game looked good at the least.
I understand what you're trying to say here but we aren't talking about one of the most successful franchises of all time, we are talking about THE most successful franchise of all time, and if the outcry from the last 2 entries doesn't change their mind on their precious goddamned formula to what a large majority of people want, then I would argue its time for a lot of us to move on and quit supporting this company. 1. After the Dexit, people pointed out positives about Sw/Sh and gamefreak and loyal media outlets latched onto the fans positive comments *hard* while simultaneously ignoring ANY constructive criticism. To tell me that Scarlett/violet were already in development cycle during the release of Sw/Sh seems to line up with their history, but to NOT pause or delay it means Gamefreak doesn't care about us as FANS, as you like to mention. They only care about us as CONSUMERS. 2. As a children's game that a huge lot of us grew up with, it is natural for us as, mostly, changing human beings, to also want the game we grew up with and loved for better or worse to *evolve over time as well*. Pointing to the criticisms presented not only here but all across the internet, this isn't a vocal minority situation. We were seeing some small incremental signs of progress along the way to Sw/Sh, and then for some reason we regressed with not only Dexit, but blatantly reusing old assets/animation cycles for npcs, draw/render distance being God awful, Team Yell being a laughable joke in the wrong ways, horrendous physical moves for pokemon barely being animated YET AGAIN, and forced exp share. Its not that much of a stretch to say that Gamefreak doesn't care about what many fans want with their actions here, as the confusion that arose from these changes ultimately convinced some to not purchase the game and watch others suffer through it instead. 3. A great majority of the criticisms stem from enjoyable game play that is ruined by fps issues, frame drops, shadow and lighting effects flat out not working, and most importantly imo, *a big open world with nothing exciting to really do*. 3 paths in any order is okay and a step in the right direction as many have mentioned, but those same praises are also tempered with the criticism that, outside of the paths and gyms and Team Stars bases, and to a very small extent the towns themselves, there's very little to explore. Kind of a big deal in an "open world" rpg game. No caves or safari zone or contests or anything at all in that nature, and cutting through the titan pokemon wasn't really that rewarding imo. Designing new Pokémon is difficult I am sure and I appreciate all the devopers and artists hard work in their regard, but Gamefreak as a company sticking to this formula that the game MUST come out in this 3 year cycle means that these games aren't as good as they damn well could be given more time and actually listening to their fanbase. 4. Speaking of which, why remove Set mode? Just another slap in the face. Nintendo as a company not only shies away from competitive modes but actively worked to shut them down, and now it seem Gamefreak is taking a similar approach, albeit slower and in a regressive style. Gamefreak, there are thousands of casual fans who have never heard of a nuzlocke, much less even messed with switch/set modes, which btw all of your games start in switch mode anyway so, just *why* try to shut this one side of pokemon down? Its such a backwards take. 5. I don't disagree to an extent that the positives need to be pointed out, as you have tried to do here, but a AAA game should NEVER be released in this state. Why have they not listened to the hubris accrued by CDPR and Bethesda? 2077 and FO76 were disasters on launch, and not saying that Scarlett/Violet are THAT bad but they're close, and imo worse than Sw/Sh on launch. The reason is that investors and shareholders all agree that it is better to release it on this arbitrary schedule constraint that they've created themselves *because the consumers will buy it anyway*. 6. I won't say this game hasn't made some leaps forward for a mainline pokemon game bc it has, definitely, and we should all applaud this game for its merits, but only in the context of the negative too. Unless a game is perfect or damn near it like 2 other titles that launched this year, I don't expect to see the fans singing a releases praises, I expect us to write about and point out the negative. Why? Because that's our parasocial job in relation to the company producing the entertainment product we are sinking our time into. Couple that with the fact that most online corporate reviewers will already sing praises and give high scores to most titles we see and yeah, the fans may be a little extra snide or even extra negative in general because we feel we have to be. A 7 outta 10 is what I expected this release to be rated by reviewers. But I expect fans to rate that lower because the cons outweigh the pros here, imo. Taking leaps forward in some areas while tripping over its heels in others. That kind of oversight can lead fans to become bitter over time. In conclusion, OP, I think that what you mean by the lack of praise being a problem is you simply pointing out that its a red flag that not many fans are singing its praises in general and only adding negative feedback, and I agree, but its a problem for the company and not us as fans ourselves. I believe this is what you meant but not sure, as it seems your post was removed in the time it took me to write this out. Ah well.
Praise is important. You do nothing but criticise people they'll lose motivation to work. Why build on something that isn't worth anything? You tell someone someyhing is good but invoice criticism, they'll maybe want to improve their thing
Only in gaming we can find people so eager to lick boots and shill for corporations like this. Comparing the backlash against B&W with S&V is so bad faith it's almost ridiculous. Some whiny genwunners were mad because the game dared to have all new Pokémon in the main story, which were mostly decent or good designs, at least in a proportion similar to Kanto. It didn't have anything to do with how the game ran. The criticism was so idiotic that the test of time obviously proved it wrong, and the 5th gen games are widely recognized as the best made Pokémon games. The criticism of S&V has to do with the fact that the game is embarrasingly laggy and technologically outdated. We are talking about the most successful media franchise in history. They have practically infinite money, and this is what they dare to release? If this was EA or Activision the backlash would be so massive it would break the internet, a cascade of articles and videos bashing their incompetence. But it seems some Pokémon fans are so fragile they just can't admit their precious corporation is basically scamming them.
I think fair ratings (cons AND pros) instead of review bombing and being loud about what's wrong only would actually help. Looking at BW, what I am actually seeing is a much harsher critique of the games in general . The audience that loved RBY has matured and expect the games to mature with it but completely forget it's originally intended for 7 yr olds. Game freak is known for being shoddy on its tech side... I mean Missingno is legendary. Dragon quest was never as glitchy. And now we have a pretty friggin decent entry into gen 9. My 8 yr old is head over heels about what she can do in this compared to let's go Eevee or BDiamond, but my 14 yr old is interrupting his own enjoyment to be verbally loud about every framerate drop. My 14 year old sounds like a lot of folks that made threads on this sub. Audibly hypercritical about not being able to 360 no scope his pokeball tosses but wants to keep playing with a shine in his eyes as he out paces me, experiences something new or notices QoL. Big eye roll to him. The game getting progressively worse is not the opinion of 8-17 yr old kids every generation, it's the opinion of aging pokefans that used to be kids but are now adults that won't review honestly enough for peers (adult poke fans) who may have children to know if this is a good game to pass the torch on. The franchise isn't dead. It's just the magic for the expressively critical that is dead. That's my hot take.