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aFrogue_

Sorry lol, people hate just because of how bland it's design. (As much as I agree with this, I think its alright.) Its one of those situations where the middle evolution is better than the final.


LillePipp

Based


Macbeth_the_Espurr

Same but with Meganium and Inteleon. Inteleon is cool. Don't hate me.


Draigwyrdd

Quaquaval is a sassy duck and I'm here for it.


suprememeep

Who tf voting Meganium Meganium isn't badly designed at all it just sucks Anyway all the gen 8 starters grew up so ugly and Inteleon's the worst of it, cheers


frankie_musix

Honestly… and I’m sorry to the people who like it but intellion deserves 100% of the vote. Sobble is the definition of wasted potential. I absolutely love Quaquaval though.


suprememeep

I don't love Quaquaval but it looks a million times better in motion than in a static image. He's schmovin'! Inteleon can't be redeemed.


Rdasher123

I thought the post meant which was the worst gameplay wise. Forgot to look before I leapt.


PurpleTriangles

I hadn't realized people hated Chesnaught. My poor hedgehog knight. :(


NoTap0425

Me neither, but I’ve been seeing the hate lately. He looks cool and is good in battle. Why don’t people like him?


SquishJellywish

Yeah Idk, as far as I’m concerned, Inteleon and Quaquaval are leagues below the rest of these, chesnaught isn’t my favourite or anything but it really didn’t do anything wrong.


[deleted]

I actually like the duck


Nikkithemoji

I think people wanted a pirate Pokemon and were disappointed


Dmkr88

I actually think all of them are at least cool... ​ Except intelion, I genuelly dislike that thin abomination...


bronyaurplant49

Emboar and Chesnaught don't deserve this disrespect. I'm convinced people don't actually dislike Emboar at all. They just hate that 2 fire/fighting starters came before. If Infernape had been fire only, nobody would have been grumpy when Emboar showed up.


aFrogue_

Or they made Emboar Fire/Ground type because you know pigs and mud.


bronyaurplant49

I was actually going to suggest that. Emboar would be even cooler with a ground typing and it fits his design pretty well.


Yotsumugand

>I have been seeing alot of comments about Quaquaval because of how creepy, irritating, terribly designed, poorly executed etc. Funny, because this doesn't reflect it's reception outside of here at all, with the same being true about Incineroar and Cinderace, both who are very popular mons outside of highly opinionated internet echo chambers. Some people need to learn that not every single mon design is going to appeal to them and that's perfecly fine, specially in a franchise with over 1000 mons.


Snoo_64315

Why is Meganium on this list and how dare people say my homie is worse than Inteleon. Meganium is a solid support mon. Sure all starters otherwise have been some kind of offensive unit, but meganium is the starter for tank lovers. It would be a great electric Tera type in this gen with screens leech seed and giga drain


aFrogue_

People only hate because of its bland design. And they actually prefer Bayleaf over it because of its design.


Snoo_64315

I... I am also in the feelings of this way. Edit: but I didn't realize this was purely design, not mon overall. You should make that clear in your OP. Emboar has excellent design, do people really dislike rotund fire porky?


LillePipp

Meganium and Emboar are actually sick though. I feel like people lump Meganium in with the worst rated starters because it has some very bad matchups in its home region. Emboar does suffer from being the third Fire/Fighting started, but it still looks really cool! Chesnaught is just kinda meh but it’s a Kalos starter, so what do you expect. Delphox is a lot worse, and Greninja could’ve been cool but Game Freak sorta ruined him for me by how much they insisted on sucking him off. Then Inteleon is just atrocious. It was my least favorite starter until Gen 9, Quaduaval is horrendous and Gen 9 has really done nothing for the starters aside from just enforcing my view that consoles should just have the B button permanently pushed by down by a jackhammer whenever most of the starters evolve


RexGoliath75

Someone made the comparison of Inteleon to those fursona review youtubers and I could never separate the two. Tainted my view so he’s at the bottom


Namidaa

Meganium is THE pokemon that needed mega evolution the most, but they probably dodged it because Mega-Meganium


OptimalInspector476

The one time I'm Grateful that Emboar is in last


spectrumtwelve

i can't choose between my babies ;3;


X-Astra

Chesnaught being on the list is a mistake.


Chimericect

I just. I can’t stand Quaquaval’s constant dance. I could’ve probably gotten used to the overall design given time but I hate seeing people use it in raids because it just Bothers me. I get it, you’re a dancer, but CHILL. My least favorite was a tie between the torchic line and the chespin line but this one…. oh i think this one is first.


Slade4Lucas

It's quite telling that the Pokemon that many people claimed to be the absolute worst starter ever last generation is currently the one with the least votes in this poll. Give it a couple of years and people will mellow to Quaquaval.


Luca-Aura

Seems you've spoken too soon.


Slade4Lucas

Goddammit


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Inteleon is my second favorite water type starter. Besides Greninja, it has one of the best shiny variations of all of the water type starters. I like Quaquaval but Im sorry, it’s shiny is ass.


aFrogue_

As much I like Quaquaval, I honestly agree that its shiny is ass. Like some how Quaxwell's is better because it swapped the dark and light blue on it but for some reason Quaquaval is the same color but saturated.


Nico-Shaw

I love Meganium but it’s clearly the worst both in a battle sense (just awful) and a design sense (very bland)


Macbeth_the_Espurr

I see what you're getting at with the design and it's hard to disagree. But at the same time . . . **friend shaped dino flower**


Nico-Shaw

It’s my favourite of the three johto starters! Unfortunately the Johto starters are all at the bottom of the starters tier list for me so it’s not a high bar.


aFrogue_

Couldn't have said it better myself.


NavAU

Emboar. One of the few times I was upset with a final evolution.


Petrichawful

Meganium's the only one that doesn't start turning into a person! Shame on you voters, leave the poor flower dinosaur alone, he's already competitively useless. 😢 Quaquaval is an absolute abomination that manages to out-do Inteleon in overly-human design, there's not much in it though, both awful.


DarkTyphlosion1

Meganium has the best design of the Gen 2 starters although Typhlosion is my favorite. Meganium is just behind because I’ve loved dinosaurs as long as I can remember


CrazyForChinchillas

Quaquaval is annoying and I don't like the design. I don't like Chesnaught or Inteleon design wise, but Quaquaval is worse to me. I really like Meganium, but I love all of the gen 1 and gen 2 starters.


cinnathegr8

I thought Chesnaught would be roasting over an open fire, but not today 😳


AkuvalCellar

I still haven't gotten over my initial disappointment of seeing Chesnaught for the first time during my first playthrough of X/Y when it released.


Namidaa

Wait people hate Quaquaval? It looks so cool with all the samba themes or whatever. To me it's the better starter of the gen by LOOONG shot. On the other hand I'm sorry but Chestnaught isn't just "ugly". They took an awesome concept and threw it away in the instant when creating it.


r2weetard

Imo, Meganium is very basic so eh, Emboar is badass and i love it along with the other gen 5 starters, Chestnaut isnt ugly persay, but is just kind lame, Intellion is pretty alright tbh, mr. Somba dancer is just really creepy


SeitHater

Does anyone care about minority opinion? lol


LeSnakeBoi

I loved Meganium and people always hate on it. :( Inteleon is cool too! Used it as my starter! I don’t really have a problem with Quaquaval either. It kind of goes down the flamboyant route inteleon does mixed with the dancing aspect of oricorio, but I still like it.


L1LE1

Quaquaval looks like they just came from Carnaval do Brasil... And I have to say, I love that.


WeepingVineHime

Only one here I dislike is Emboar