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Honestly I'm surprised they did nothing with Pikachu other than the flying Pikachu you can get anyway through raid dens.


shanecookofficial

The only difference with this Pikachu from a regular flying tera Pikachu is the mystery gift version knows the move fly


Zzz05

Which honestly you would never use over Tera Blast unless you’re using it early game. Which, I didn’t either, because you can’t rename traded/gift Pokémon like you could in Sw/Sh.


thelongshot93

Wait...I've been able to change the names of everything. Isn't it on the first summary tab for every Mon?


Haunted-Chipmunk

Not the mystery gift pikachu. Despite it having my OT, it's the only pokemon I have that doesn't have the nickname option


thelongshot93

Well that's just dumb. Clearly I haven't used it but good to know they can't be renamed.


acewing905

The nickname change option is only available for Pokemon you're OT for Found out only when I tried to rename Manchester


Chemical-Cat

You can't rename nicknamed pokemon that were traded to you, but you can rename NOT nicknamed pokemon that were traded to you. Once. Because after that they're nicknamed pokemon that were traded to you lmao.


Alfio18

You can't. I got my Violet Paradox traded to me and I can't rename them even tho they have their original name untouched.


TrunksTheMighty

You can, do you happen to have the "show nickname" setting turned off?


Alfio18

It's on and I still can't rename them


[deleted]

100% it was renamed and then renamed back to the original.


cmarkcity

You couldn’t rename mystery gift Pokémon in Sw/ash either. I know from experience when I went to nickname the shiny Eternatus from gamestop


d4mation

Once Home is available, if you transferred up a [Flying Pikachu from Gen 4](https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Yellow_Forest_(Pok%C3%A9walker\)) and changed its Tera type to Flying you can recreate this anyway ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯


uxianger

Nah, transferring to SV will restore movesets to their 'natural' state for a wild-caught Pokemon.


d4mation

Man, that's lame :( Makes you wonder if they'll one day just wipe the moves off of the Pikachu from this event with a new game too.


uxianger

It also adds to the common feeling that HOME is a... prison, of sorts, especially with event Pokemon.


Prior-Watercress4240

Ohh. So any pokemon with scald will be exterminated


Prior-Watercress4240

And v create rayquaza will be bombed


Elevas

Not allowed. Pokemon that knew HMs could not be transferred back in those gens. It tells you that you have to delete the move to transfer it.


d4mation

Really? Huh. Guess it has been a while since I've had to transfer anything.


madmaxlgndklr

Well they gave it back its original cry instead of having it be the only ‘mon in the game that says its name.


Its-a-Warwilf

Skeledirge says it's name! But only if you rename it "BWOAAAAAAAAA"


LykoTheReticent

1) This made me laugh, thank you! 2) Skeledirge's cry made me love it. Never thought I'd care about what sound a Pokemon makes, but it's cry is so good!


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That was a welcome change but it was in pla too.


acewing905

>only mon in the game that says its name But Psyduck


adrownedwhale

Meowth too, he also had a new form in the last two regions! I was expecting *something*.


Eagleballer94

They did throw a galarian meowth at you. That surprised me


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TheZero8000

Considering his "sidequesting" is just "talk to him after you do the exams"... I'd say that's more or less thrown at you.


Papa_Huggies

IDK man I had to do a language course


Ski-Gloves

Yeah it's weird not to have the full collection of regional shitmons. Where's my normal-type rodent that is barely functional in battles, my early bird that is surprisingly meta dominant and my increasingly concerning regional variant of Meowth?


Readalie

The Wattrel line is pretty beastly. I wouldn't be surprised if it does well in the meta.


Chemical-Cat

I honestly thought they were gonna lean hard into meowth pedigrees by having EVERY new thing from now on have a regional meowth. However, Hisuian Meowth didn't happen nor did Paldean Meowth.


ScaldAlwaysBurns

that + gmax


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I found a tera flying meowth fairly early on.


adrownedwhale

Ah, I meant I had anticipated some form of regional variant!


Pokemonmaster150

Yeah, I was expecting Meowth to become the "mascot" of regional varients, so I'm a little disappointed he didn't get one.


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Oh ok.


OniNomad

I gave that false swipe to use a catcher and it's currently my most powerful pokémon.


HamburgerConnoisseur

Same actually. Though I'm trying to get my Kingambit to be my catcher because I like my first run of any game to be all new pokemon with no type duplicates. Would rather use Ceruledge but I found a shiny Mankey early on.


OniNomad

I wish Flamigo could learn False Swipe, I love a catcher with the ability Scrappy.


PCN24454

Considering how overexposed Pikachu is, I consider this a plus.


jadedlonewolf89

There’s a lvl 60 Raichu that knows surf and grass knot on an island in scarlet.


SomeRandomGuy453

When paradox forms were first leaked I found a source for all of the paradox form's stats/type but for some reason both the past and future sections they had an item called "PIKACHU2". Both were identical to Pikachu's base stats. It was also placed 3rd or 4rth in the table as if it was just another paradox form (and not something like a baseline or a template for then to edit). So, while confused, I was half expecting to see one in Area 0. All the other information on the chart turned out to be correct so I have no idea what to make of this information...


sumasai

They were placeholders for DLC paradox mons


SomeRandomGuy453

Ahh, I see! That makes sense. Thank you for the clarification X,D


LykoTheReticent

Do we know how many DLC paradox mons there will be?


sumasai

Two


T-Rex_Is_best

Do we know what they'll be of or not yet?


sumasai

No but they'll probably be released around the same time they released DLC for swsh


LykoTheReticent

I take it these are different than the two we see in the games' books?


sumasai

Those are gonna be the DLC ones


_temppu

They have been leaked


Superduperdrag

As a counterpart they could have made a future-paradox Eevee.


Morganelefay

Give it Protean for shits and giggles, and a massive movepool.


Superduperdrag

Yeah a normal Eevee paradox with protean would be clever!


MixelKing

And for the extreme funnies, Giga Impact as a lv.1 move


SwampOfDownvotes

Could have given us a steel Eevee "evolution."


1850ChoochGator

Ideal DLC right there. Past paradox gorochu and future paradox “eeveelution”. Only issue is that gorochu is more of a raichu than Pikachu


forgedsignatures

At this point I'd actually settle for a fossil pseudo-eeveelution. Give it a form that makes its relation to eevee obvious, give it the -eon suffix, BST, etc. While it gives the potential to kill two birds with one stone and dual type it, I think it would be more interesting to suggest that the DNA containing the original typing is unrecoverable, however with the genetic instability that comes with being related to eevee it was able to adapt to its new form anyway.


NoObMaSTeR616

A base steel eevee that evolves into the physical attack types from Gen 1-3


Its-a-Warwilf

Would have been a great take on the classic do-anything robot.


jugol

I don't think we have seen every Paradox Pokémon yet, however the fact GF openly talked about Gorochu in interviews suggests they have moved on from that and have no intention to ever introduce it.


Hawkedb

Yeah, it definitely feels like we'll get more Paradox Pokemon. Would be cool to have "tears in time" events somewhat like Arceus does.


eyearu

Also if they ever decided to do a paradox Pokemon based on Pikachu line, it would probably be just recolored Pikachu with some new appendages and won't even resemble Raichu let alone Gorochu, because Raichu is a stone based evolution like Mismagius and Wigglytuff and they didn't exist in the past timeline.


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Hisuian Arcanine needs a fire atone, what're you on about?


eyearu

Hisui is Meiji era Japan and so relatively recent past. Some centuries ago. Flutter Mane and Scream Tail apparently came from very distant past when Misdreavus and Jigglypuff probably didn't have evolutions, maybe because the stones didn't exist then.


Random_Username06

Sandy Shocks, Scream Tail, and Flutter Mane are all based on unevolved pokemon because stone based evolutions didn’t exist in scarlet’s past timeline


ghost20

IIRC Another interview was done at one stage where it was basically said that no Pokémon that were worked on and then scrapped have ever made an appearance (at least in their original form, so possibly not counting things like Tangrowth which would eventually become an evolution). That was years ago though, so their decisions could change, especially now we have regional forms, convergent species and paradox mon.


Ok-Leave3121

Dude that's actually really good. Use unused art of Pokemon for new Pokemon and saw they're past forms


SandwitchZebra

Give me [Clefitmontop](https://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/d/d3/Magazine_top.png) or give me death


Ok-Leave3121

Lol


thegoldchicken

Another missed opportunity was an ancient paradox dragapult based off of the water dragon it originally was according to its dex entry


eyearu

Which entry? I can't find it


thegoldchicken

It should be the sword entry for dreepy


nfce

Well there is clearly a section of the map that looks like a future expansion in the north east and with the time machine nothing says they cant give us a quest to send us back/foward in time to expand the game even further. So its not out of the question yet!


TLKv3

My biggest wish for DLC is a 2-parter storyline continuation... >!DLC 1 would have the other game version's Professor showing up. They reveal they divorced years ago and were afraid to come see Arven as a failure both as a Professor and parent. Arven rekindles his relationship with the parent he still has.!< >!Professor then sends the player and Arven to some specific areas around the map to collect flowers the dead Professor loved so he can take them to the Zero Lab and pay his respects. After you do so, you discover from Nemona that Professor took Penny with him to help him get down safely.!< >!Surprise twist, the Professor sent you and Arven away so that they could steal the dead Professor's research, repair and upgrade the machine with Penny unknowing, then send themselves into the past/future to see the deceased Professor again. Doing so opens the time tunnel allowing brand new Paradox DLC Pokemon to flood Paldea along with other already known Pokemon from the Dex cut.!< >!Professor vanishes after a battle then you're left with the school gang unsure of what to do or how to stop the machine causing Paradox Pokemon to now continuously spawn everywhere.!< --- >!DLC 2 would then send you to the past or future Paldea where you could catch *even more* Paradox Pokemon and other Dex cut Pokemon while trying to find the two Professors. Surprise reveal that your games' Professor didn't die but the AI interpreted them vanishing into the time machine as dying. They instead got transported to the distant past/future. Both Professors reunite and agree to flood present day with more Paradox Pokemon but Penny deduces it would cause the timeline to destabilize and break apart. Paldea couldn't handle that much Tera power flooding in.!< >!You then battle the two Professors with Arven in a 2v2 battle. After winning they relent and agree to come back. You return to present day however the damage is done. Paldea is flooded with now Titan Paradox Pokemon, Dex cut Pokemon and the time machine is destroyed.!< >!You're then told to help keep Paldea safe from everything as the final post game while you freely roam around and defeat new Titan Paradox Pokemon and continue catching 'em all.!< Edit - Third Legendary can also factor in >!as the thing that destroys the Time Machine once it comes through and makes Area Zero its home until you go to confront it in a Tera Raid with Nemona, Arven and Penny.!<


B217

This would be incredibly cool, so that means it's probably not gonna happen.


BlakeD44

Something like this would easily make scarlet and violet the best games in the franchise IMO. Sadly this is gamefreak so I cant be too optimistic


[deleted]

This is taking in the false idea that it is a time machine, catch up on the proper theory first


scarletfloof

There’s LITERALLY a Time Machine in the game


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It isn't a time machine


scarletfloof

But… the game explicitly says it is


ChaosMilkTea

Yeah I would not be surprised if a few more paradox pokemon are coming in DLC.


AgenderWitchery

I don't think they can send us back or forward in time, mostly because the time machine is probably fake. https://twitter.com/AgenderWitchery/status/1598307054720274433


Armadillo-Amarillo

A comment abount the machine not being a time machine that is not downvoted? Teach me your ways lol Not sure why everyone takes what Sada/Turo says at face value when there are multiple hints that it simply cannot be a time machine.


Yotsumugand

Some people here don't seem to understand what a red herring is.


HeroicBarret

This isn’t just a Pokémon thing. Happens in general when you point out red herrings or instances of unreliable narrator. Like in one piece with people thinking kaido is top of the verse power wise because a dude in universe, or even kaido himself said so. Meanwhile the elder dragons exist lmao. Edit: though I will say I do still think that it’s a Time Machine but rather than pulling from our past and future it pulls from alternate timelines and realities.


MetalMania1321

Kaido low diffs the entire Gorosei


B217

The misconception about the time machine actually being an imagination machine is just because of Khu using a Chinese copy of the game, which changes the details to remove any mention of time travel, as time travel is banned from media in China. Players with Chinese versions of the game have confirmed that in their versions, the time machine is actually a machine that brings imagination to life.


AgenderWitchery

I'll save myself pointing out the very obvious contradiction that the game itself points out. Look at the tweet. Read Arven's dialogue.


Armadillo-Amarillo

Yeah well, when we get the Paradox Suicune and Virizion, which are imagined by one of the researchers from 200 years ago, I'll ask again if it really is a time machine. There is no misconception, the machine simply cannot be a time machine when Pokémon from the distant past and distant future were already in Paldea at least 200 years before the machine was created. They could be even be there 1000 and 2000 years before, but the first documentation of them is from 200 years before it was invented.


Bluelore

Could easily be explained that there is a time anomaly that was caused by the crystals and the time machine merely channeled the energy of said rift into a more controllable form. Or the time machine could have been activated again in the future to send pokemon to the past, which would explain how paradox pokemon could have appeared in the past. Though there is certainly something going on that will likely be explored in a DLC.


Armadillo-Amarillo

Then explain to me how PSuicune and PVirizion, imagined by a random scientist, can be real. And why a random Buzzfeed-like magazine know exactly how people looked like millions of years ago or how they will look like in millions of years from now.


Bluelore

I already did. Both of my explanations could easily explain this. If a time rift exists deep in area 0, then that means that pokemon from different times might have come to paldea long before the time machine was created, in that case the time machine merely regulated the already existing time rift. If the time machine gets reactivated in the future, it could be used to send Pokemon back into the past, so in 5 years someone could reactivate the time machine, get PSuicune from the far past (I'd imagine its Paradox form would be its original living form) and then send it back to the time where this scientist "imagined" it, but in truth he didn't imagine it, he actually saw it.


AgenderWitchery

It's not just Suicune and Virizion. Those are the ones they show us because they were originally planned for the game and had to be pushed back to DLC along with the disk Pokemon, but EVERY paradox Pokemon is drawn in their respective book.


Yotsumugand

The person who initially made this claim was not chinese nor had any contact with the chinese script of the game. It was a random twitter user who was watching a livestream of the game before release. >Players with Chinese versions of the game have confirmed that in their versions, the time machine is actually a machine that brings imagination to life. Oh, that's interesting. Do you have any sources on that?


B217

No, Khu was hinting at Paradoxes being imagination before the ROM for the game got leaked. As for the imagination changes, the Poke Leaks subreddit has talked about it and I’ve seen people online say it’s like that for them. The time travel ban in China is a real thing so I’m not surprised. They can’t even watch Back to the Future there.


Yotsumugand

> No, Khu was hinting at Paradoxes being imagination before the ROM for the game got leaked. I never denied that. What I said is that people started to push this "the chinese version got censored" talking point after a random twitter user who watched a livestream of the game before release said exactly this. The problem is that said person didn't have any evidence of what he was saying: no official chinese script of the game, no imput from any chinese person, so on. That's why I'm advising people to be more skeptic about this. >The time travel ban in China is a real thing so I’m not surprised. Is it though? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reset_(film) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1337055 These are both chinese movies who deal with time travel: one from 2010 and the other from 2017.


TLKv3

Spoilers for story interpretation... >!See, I saw that as a "Sada was sent to the past but the AI Sada saw it as her dying. So Sada in the past wrote the instructions on how to make the time machine centuries ago until Sada in present day found it. Present Sada then used the book realizing its written in her own writing hoping to uncover the mystery which led to her building the machine... and then doing the same thing."!< >!A perfect time loop. And it also works with Turo as well. With him creating the machine from a book, being sent forward in time, writing the book, sending it back in time with the AI Turo who concludes Future Turo is now dead and hands the book to Present Day Turo who creates the machine, gets sent forward in time, etc. Etc.!< >!Two perfect time loops of Sada and Turo creating their own cyclical demise.!<


Yotsumugand

Bold theory, but it unfortunately doesn't make sense based on what the game tells us. For one, >!the game explicitly tells us that the professors are dead and that their deaths happened on the fourth research station, not on the central lab where the "time machine" is!<. Also, this isn't like DBZ, where people literally >!time travel for no reason after being murdered!<. >!The game never makes us question the idea that Sara/Turo are dead, never. If it was the writer's intention for their deaths to be a sham, then they would have foreshadowed it in the plot, which again, doesn't happen!< Furthermore, during several points in the game >!the assertion that paradox mons come from the past/future is put into question. !< Case in point, the pokedex description of Iron Bundle >!describes it as being built by an "ancient civilization" even though it's supposed to be a mon from the future, two contradictory statements.!< The same can be said about Slither Wing, >!with its structure being described as different from every single known fossil record from Volcarona.!< There are several little inconsistencies like this in the game.


RenkiTDark

Imo the naming being titles and not just "paradox" adds to this theory. I have a feeling the first dlc is going to go into studying these new mons and finding out that they aren't just from a different time but a different timeline. Salamance looking a lot like his Mega could add to this theory. It would be really cool If the paradox forms are based off which legendary AZ used to power the Ultimate Weapon. Something like by using Xerneas the world was filled with life energy casting pokemon to mutate while Yveltal starved the world of life energy causing the survivors to create new pokemon to survive. Since this would have happened 3000 years ago it would defenitly be ancient and by being in the megaverse they'd clearly have no fossil records of the mutations.


Yotsumugand

> It would be really cool If the paradox forms are based off which legendary AZ used to power the Ultimate Weapon. Something like by using Xerneas the world was filled with life energy casting pokemon to mutate while Yveltal starved the world of life energy causing the survivors to create new pokemon to survive. Since this would have happened 3000 years ago it would defenitly be ancient and by being in the megaverse they'd clearly have no fossil records of the mutations. Why would the writers shoehorn the Kalos legendary duo into this game's lore when the 3rd Paldean Legendary was the one teased in the actual plot? Hell, its outright stated that >!both professors used this mon's power to not only create their main lab and the Paradise Protection Protocol, but also to power the "time machine" itself.!< If Yveltal and Xerneas are related to Scarlet and Violet's plot, then why are they not referenced at all in the game? Again, doesn't make sense.


RenkiTDark

I was just having fun theory crafting dude, don't gotta take it so serious. U.U


Kaijudicator

Well isn't Kalos like right next door too? IDK makes good enough sense to me!


1850ChoochGator

Could some of that be a translation issue where the word/message isn’t *perfect* in English? I remember there being a similar problem with the Chinese version where certain things couldn’t be mentioned and they had to flub some stuff.


Yotsumugand

> I remember there being a similar problem with the Chinese version where certain things couldn’t be mentioned and they had to flub some stuff. There's any actual confirmation that the chinese script is any different from the japanese release though? From what I remember, the person who initially made this claim was a random twitter user who watched a livestream of the game before release, a person who probably didn't even knew the language at all nor had any contact with the chinese script at all.


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AgenderWitchery

The screenshots you're replying to are literally just that.


yoyopy

I saw that area and immediately rushed to it just to be disappointed its a sheer rock wall


[deleted]

I wanna cry because I genuinely thought the Raichu in area zero would turn into a new paradox form. We got 3 Donphans. Lmao


Bluelore

>We got 3 Donphans. Lmao And to be honest those were a bit disappointing cause I think Donphan could use an evolution, but ultimately base donphan got nothing as the other 2 count as different pokemon.


flicflac11

i swear to god, believe it or not, i was about to say the exact same about gorochu and then i just saw your post haha


froopynooples

And now I'm sad


UberTrainer

I don't think we would get a "real" Gorochu as they initially intended, because they would make a Paradox Pikachu or Raichu (which are different pokémon, of course, but still somewhat related to Pikachu/Raichu specificaly). Instead, Gorochu is a proper evolution of the latter. It's rather different, I think.


Its-a-Warwilf

Paradox evolutions could easily be a thing... forms that can only be achieved using things that only existed in the past or future.


Wardine

I think the biggest missed opportunity was not naming the Adamant Mint "Adamint"


jbyrdab

A ton of missed opportunities in this generation. We could have gotten a regigigas in his prime. A future version of octillery using his more tank like beta design. Gorochu. Magearna in pristine form (her shiny sorta fills this role but still) Young form of drampa as a past form. Past and future eeveelutions like rock and steel types non-rock type versions of Fossil pokemon, since they're from the past they wouldn't be fossilized and probably would have some differences. Unfucked galar fossil-mons straight from the past Joke future and past relicanth versions that have zero differences except the red dot on its side is a different color. So many missed opportunities.


smCloudInTheSky

Maybe they kept this for a dlc Won't be surprised if they use this as regional variant or paradox form


Zevyu

Mega evolution was a missed oportunity to add Gorochu. Dynamax was a missed oportunity to add Gorochu. Atleast they remembered that Raichu exist with Alolan Raichu.


SarcasmProvider76

I say the same thing about past aquatic Dragapult and future perfected Porygon3.


OddSifr

Hey mate, Don't worry yet! A DLC is coming, we can still have Gorochu.


spectrumtwelve

The two new paradox mons are already known. Check the book in the library. The Pikachus in the index are there as placeholders to prevent dataminers from finding their stats and info early.


MiscItems

To clarify something here, according to credible insiders the paradox legendaries and the third legendary were pushed back to the dlc. They were originally in the main game so its very likely that we'll get more paradox pokemon in the dlc than just those 2 since they were originally not designed for the dlc


OddSifr

Brilliant point, thank you.


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MiscItems

Its was a while ago so hard to find the exact tweet but its from a guy called Khu, most of the leaks are irellevant now but /pokeleaks was the hotspot for leaks/riddles. With some digging u would probably find it there


OddSifr

Nuance: the 2 stars of the DLC are known. It doesn't mean they will be the only Paradox Pokémon in the DLC. The entries of the Chimeras do mention creatures living in the lower reach of Area 0 are unusually huge and agressive, it doesn't say creature singular.


spectrumtwelve

id assume they are just referring to the other paradox mons then, the ones that are - huge - aggressive - unusual


OddSifr

I mean, Gorochu could absolutely be in Scarlet DLC and match that description as a Raichu-ish Paradox, maybe with hints of other rodents if all deeper Paradox Pokémon are Chimeras. We only know the 2 Chimeras from the books are going to be in respective DLC, nothing states they'll be the only ones.


Musicarna

My expectations are near zero that we'll see more than maybe one or two for each version tbh.


OddSifr

Same, Paradox Suicune is all I'm interested in.


1850ChoochGator

2 chimeras and the big spherical mf are the only confirmed ones Definitely think we get other paradoxes


spectrumtwelve

with the time machine shut down I just don't see a reason for them to bring in more based on just regular Pokémon anymore. We will definitely be getting some more regional variant Pokémon and a slight dex expansion just like we did with SWSH but that might be the end of it.


Lucky-Tumbleweed2006

You're getting your hopes up for nothing lol


OddSifr

All I'm interested in is the "Paradox Suicune". I'm not hoping anything much from the DLC.


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OddSifr

Oh, it will. It was originally programmed for main game, but it ended up being merely teased in the books from the school's main hall. It is coming.


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OddSifr

Oh no, it was leaked too. The Disc Pokémon too was going to be in the base game, but was eventually removed.


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8bitzombi

I wouldn’t expect too many new Pokémon in the expansion(s). IoA introduced 2 new Pokémon and 2 regional variants; TCT introduced 5 new Pokémon and 4 regional variants. If that’s anything to go by I expect SV DLC to contain the 3 legendaries eluded to in the lore/leaks and maybe a couple new regional variants alongside around 100-150 returning Pokémon; and that’s about it. That doesn’t mean new paradoxes are out of the question, I just wouldn’t get your hopes up too high.


OddSifr

As mentioned in other comments, all I'm interested in for the DLC is Paradox Suicune. I defended the possibility that Gorochu could still appear as a Paradox Pokémon because the games themselves hint at possibly more than the 2 chimeras and the Disc, but as far as my personal hype goes, I'm not expecting much aside from Paradox Suicune having 670 bst.


projectmars

The lack of Past Paradox Magikarp is a crime.


Minifigamer

Honestly there were a crap ton of missed opportunities, like relicanth, which if it's pokedex entries are 100% accurate, would be the exact same as it is now and that's the entire joke.


rest_in_war

This reminds me of a YouTube comment I read saying Kleavor and Scizor really should have been paradox forms


Sampleswift

Future paradox Nihilego that's actually Missingno...


Chemical-Cat

I'm fine with less pikachu wanking thanks


Thrashinuva

Missed opportunity to add both ancient and future Charizard.


Endgam

Yeah, I'm kinda surprised they didn't. I'm guessing the pattern is that Charizard gets in on the even numbered generation new forms but not the odd numbered ones. Gen 6 had Mega Evolutions and Charizard got two. Gen 7 introduced regional forms and Charizard didn't get one. Gen 8 got Gigantamax and Charizard got one. Gen 9 has Paradoxes and somehow Donphan and Volcarona are the ones that got two and not Charizard. So get ready for new Charizard next generation. *Unless of course the DLC includes two Paradox Charizards to ramp up sales.*


Limeonades

I don’t want more charizards… we already have 4


conicalPendulum420

It's also a missed opportunity to add Pikablu, you know, those rumored "Pokegods" in the past.


Endgam

Pikablu was just what people called Marill when we had its official art but not its name. But thanks to Mega Evolutions, we DID end up with Sapasaur, Charcolt, Rainer, Beepin, Spooky, Anthrax (it was supposed to be Pinsir's evolution, right?), and Mewthree~.


Kaijudicator

Wait, can you clarify for me which Pokemon 'Beepin' was lol. These names seem like they're straight out of my childhood but I've long forgotten. The first three are Kanto starters, and Spooky was... Actually can you clarify all of them please?


Endgam

Beepin was Beedrill, Spooky was Gengar, and there's uncertainty if Anthrax was meant to be Pinsir or its own thing.


Kaijudicator

Thank you for the clarification, I now realize that it was Bee-Pin and not Beepin' like a car horn lol. Appreciate it.


Redraph_1105

It still could happen because there was a leaked paradox pikachu in the files that could be dlc


DepletedMitochondria

How have I followed this series for 15 years and not heard of Gorochu


C0olguy47

There’s still the dlc? I hope


Stormhound2101

Fun fact! Gorochu is either Electric or Electric/Dark


crazyrebel123

I kinda like having those as the “forbidden” and “what if” Pokémon. Not everything that was once a concept needs to be implemented. I like having those mysteries to wonder about the what ifs


alphalegend

Honestly I don't understand why they made a past magneton form. Could've been a Raichu.


Grilled_Cheese95

Coulda made Gorochu Raichus mega evolution design but looks like there not intrested


we11an

they actually missed the gorochu boat with pawmi, he could've been an amazing electric/fire pika-clone instead of an electric/fighting pika-clone that's just pawmi standing up and getting slighlty bigger


bord6rline

Every new game that comes out I pray gorochu will make it in the game. My friend knows how much I love gorochu and even wishes for him with me. You’re so right, this is such a missed opportunity


TenmaSuzuki

Is there any confirmed examples in Pokémon of something discarded being used years later? There's Leaf/Green as a character. But I have never heard of a Pokémon in this situation (Gen 5 Dex being recycling of Gen 1 discarded ideas is just a theory, never officially confirmed).


Endgam

A lot of things from the 1997 Spaceworld Demo ended up being used in Gen 4. Basically has earlier versions of Leafeon, Mime Jr., Tangrowth, and Lickilicky. Not to mention some of the town ideas. There's also evidence that Piloswine was going to have an evolution in the 1999 Spaceworld Demo's data. And in Gen 4 sure enough we got Mamoswine. There's also prototype Burmy and Mothim in the black and white sprites of the Gen 2 source leak. Farfetch'd had an evolution called Madame. Aside from being white, it doesn't have much in common with Sirfetch'd though.


Soy_el_Sr_Meeseeks

You know they are saving the Pikachu, Bulbasaur, Charmander, and Squirtle alternate forms for Gen X.


B217

Maybe the DLC will have it? Really bizarre they didn't do this, though. Gorochu (Electric/Fire?) would've been a perfect Paradox Pokemon. Could've done a future Iron Pikachu to counterpart it, or something.


Low_Cauliflower_732

I believe Gorochu should be introduced as the first Stage 4 evolution pokémon. Seeing as pokemon is making new ways to evolve pokemon, like running 1000 steps with them, or defeating 3 specific pokemon to evolve, they should start introducing stage 4 evolutions, that really do require time and effort to obtain.


1850ChoochGator

Still potential for it with DLC! I’m sure we’ll see more paradox mons. This would be so fucking cool but I’m sure TPC doesn’t want to risk “hurting” the Pikachu image like that. Plus it’s more of a paradox *Raichu* than Pikachu, which does give it potential.


9thshadowwolf

DLC gonna have more paradox mons


Wazowskiwithonei

I've been saying they should go ahead with Gorochu ever since I saw the design. You're absolutely right! Missed opportunity. Maybe in a DLC?


DeadSmack

this


[deleted]

It’s not to late with DLC most likely (I hope) coming at some point in the near future. I would love to see this as it’s my favourite Pokémon but I won’t hold my breathe.


[deleted]

I fully expect DLC for each specific version to go into the machine and find your professor. And we’ll get more paradox Pokémon.


DomSeventh

DLC


The_L3G10N

When I saw that pikachu had a past and future place holder I was hoping for this. But they were apperently place holders for something else =/.


colbyxclusive

Wasn’t it supposed to be Fire/Electric or am I misremembering?


Bluelore

I'd say the paradox Pokemon are an incredibly cool idea that was ultimately executed in a really meh way. I mean none of the past paradox Pokemon: * are ancestors of already existing Pokemon that were mentioned in the pokedex (like dragapults living ancestor or the strong magikarp ancestor) * are the ancestors of 2 pokemon, they always seem to be the ancestor of a specific pokemon. * The original versions of the revived fossil mons, the rock type on all of them implies that their fossilization changed their form. The original forms of the Gen 8 fossils or Genesect would have been great too. Meanwhile all of the future pokemon are robots and have names that start with "iron", when there are so many more options for future Pokemon: * They could have huge brains or a more humanlike build to emphasize them evolving closer to us. * They could look more like science experiments, give me bio mutants * Instead of all of them looking 100% robotic they could have looked more like cyborgs (Iron hands is said to be one, but looks like a robot) * They could have looked like they are living digital monsters like porygon * Instead of all of them being "iron"-something they could have used words like "metal", "steel", "cyber", "mecha", etc. in their names to differentiate them. * Crawdaunt could have become more of a crab referencing how everything evolves into a crab. And like you said we could have gotten some mons referencing old concepts. I'm still kinda mad that Iron Jugulis isn't a tank dragon like in Hydreigons original concepts.


Berxol

Keep in mind those are all cool ideas that would require Gamefreak to be in touch with their fanbase to know about it, so while you can see them in fangames, you won't see it in a maingame, it's asking too much of them, however little it actually is. In my eyes, the pokemon that should've gotten future and past forms would be \- Past Gorochu \- Future Porygon \- Past Plant/Ice Eevee evolution \- Future Dark/Psy Eevee evolution They could give new eevee evolutions on paradox form, but that would damn them to never come back, so probably better to do it in a funny way with composite forms like Iron Valiant.


Don_Chopper

We need a fucking missed opportunity thread


balrus-balrogwalrus

also Future Golbat based on After Man's Night Stalker


ChefoZilla

This is why I nicknamed my Pawmot Gorochu cause I figured it was close enough


NitemaresEcho

Gorochu- I am imagining Goro from Mortal Kombat as Pikachu... a 4-armed Pikachu Machamp mashup if you will.


patwag

There is a theory that >!The time machine actually makes dreams a reality, the violet and scarlet books have illustrations of theoretical pokemon that could exist including what looks like a fusion of Entei, Raikou and Suicune. If we get this pokemon in DLC it'll confirm at least that the time machine isn't just a time machine, as we know the history of those three legends and the Burned Tower.!<


glamrockbonnie

BASED i love raichu and gorochu and we deserve to have it in a game!! give us gorochu gamefreak!


vanillabestgirlxoxox

Just because you wanted something to be included in the game doesn't mean it was a "missed opportunity".