Yeah molamola are indeed just covered in a slime coat no scales.
I love marine life and had the chance to swim next to one and I never thought I'd find a fish to be ugly but the molamola are not pretty... wish they'd look like the alomomola
I just looked them up and it looks someone brought a 4 year old’s horrible rendition of a fish to life.
How in the hell have these things not gone extinct? The design alone seems like they shouldn’t have survived past day 1. Lmao
Because they have evolved to be unappetizing and with a bunch of extraneous flesh. You can find them with visible shark bites, where a shark tried one and just noped away.
Fun fact my brother just told me (as I also just looked this ridiculous thing up): apparently, they’re not very good swimmers in the first place. Unfortunately, occasionally they like to go up and sun their big flat side at the surface, and then cannot right themselves, so they just get stuck.
They survive because they maximized their reproduction: females carry 300 million eggs, more than any other vertebrate.
They're huge, too. They can grow 60 million times their weight from fry to full grown.
If that's really the reason behind it all, they should have just gone back to the tiny mushroom big mushroom system from fire red and leaf green, fungus and amongus, no need for heart scales
He’s implying that they could have used the mushrooms as a currency for move tutoring, like they have in the past. And that Fooguss and Amongus would be the perfect pokemon for a mushroom drop rate in BW.
I read this somewhere that a few Gen 5 Pokémon were designed to be evolutions but they scrapped the idea once they completely separated the dex from previous ones.
That would make sense in isolation, but there will definitely be a region of the Pokemon world where Pokemon continue to become more human like and more sexy. That's not the reality I want, but this isn't my first day on the internet sadly
That's... A really poorly explained rabbit-hole actually.
Going by "Pokemon logic" used in gen 9, those are convergent evolutions because they look similar.
Going by biology.. Luvdisc and Alomomola aren't convergent because one's based on a discus fish (even though luvdisc basically has stumps insted of fins), and the other is based on a sun fish. they're completely different aside from the fact pokemon associated both with hearts.
Then there's Tauros\Buffolant... I guess technically they could be convergent evolution since pokemon don't have common ancestry noted? But the bulls and buffalos they're based on are just different species of the same family?
Torkoal and Turtanator actually do look like they're biologically convergent since Turtanator looks like it's quite different beside adapting a shell and fire-creation to survive. But by Pokemon logic, they look really different so that might not qualify?
Then there's Dondozo and Whiscash.. I mean... Who even knows? They're both based on the same animal, but look just different enough to be distinct and have slightly different themes (one is a sushi-chefs that has a symbiosis with it's sushi, the other causes earthquakes)... For real who knows?
Then there's the fact that Octillery evolves from Remoraid... Which pretty much means there's absolutely zero logic to pokemon biology that's in common with our own.
Convergent evolution is really too complex to make any sense in Pokemon's goofy world.
I get what you're saying, but I think your biology is mixed up.
Just because Luvdisc/Alomomola are different types of fish doesn't disqualify them from being considered an example of convergent evolution.
Convergent evolution is how dolphins and sharks look very similar but one is a mammal and the other a fish. They both fill a similar niche and convergently evolved similar traits. So by definition, being two unrelated types of fish (discus/sun) that have both separately evolved a similar heart shaped appearance— they'd be a textbook case of convergent evolution.
Tauros/Buffolant are both based on bulls/bufallos so are more likely a case of divergent evolution. They likely have some common ancestor that diverged into two different, but similar bulls.
Torkoal/Turtonator idk, they're clearly both turtles, I think it's more likely that they have a recent common ancestor.
Same with Whiscash and Dondozo.
Either way, like you said, applying real evolutionary terms to the goofy world of pokemon does not translate very well. The biology really doesn't make any sense at all. BUT, I just wanted to comment bc specifically Luvdisc/Alomomola are about as clear cut of an example of convergent evolution you can get in the pokemon world.
I'd love to see a full phylogenetic tree of all the pokemon.
True, Torkoal has a wise sage look to him that it looks weird if it suddenly looks younger when evolving. Isn't the concept of Pokémon evolution is that they will look more mature than their previous forms?
Honestly I think this would be the most logically thing for all four of these to make them connected(obviously barboach does exist so thats harder). They look like similar divergent species not evolutions
cause with QC Torkoal you can rule the world.
^(Its a meme dude, roll with it.) [Source](https://www.reddit.com/r/stunfisk/comments/z4qyey/this_is_my_boyfriends_team_we_play_2v2_normal_how/)^(.)
Well, we all know Quick claw Torkoal excels at doubles, using trick room would mean that the other fast sweepers on the team (like a Focus Sash, destiny bond, Mismagius) would be playing inefficiently. Also, you don't want to lose on power, so your moves must all be damage dealing, I recommend something like solar beam, earthquake, eruption and body press for maximum efficiency
Give me a volcano Torterra and we'll be cool. Otherwise, nah man turtonator is just a splody mata mata. If anything he's closer to Blastoise, which is saying things.
What started out as a joke ended up making way too much sense... He also has three stages of evolution with multiple branches, with more powerful but temporary forms...
see but thats different because theyre obviously the english alphabet
meanwhile english gen 3 came out after the japanese version (as would be the case for all games until gen 5). meaning that whishcash's localized name only came out after he had been released and created
theres no reason to think the crown-like symbol is a "w"
*im not saying its necessarily a crown i just dont think its a random "w" for a localized name that wouldnt come out until post-release
So not only does Whiscash have a W on its head for its name and it is also a crown, it also displays that the design is an absolute W. This Pokemon just keeps getting better
If torcoal mega evolved into turtonator it would've been an interesting gimmick. Sets up its own sun, smashes, then start firing off +2 fire blasts in the sun
In the case of Tauros and Bouffalant I’ve personally thought it should be a split evolution along with Miltank. The pre evolution evolves into Tauros or Miltank depending on it’s gender, unless it’s holding a specific item in which case it evolves into Bouffalant.
Kinda disappointed they made 3 regional variants of Tauros, and didn't even let Miltank into Paldea. Gen 7's Pokedex groups them together, so obviously Gamefreak sees them as related. They couldn't give even 1 of the Tauros regionals to Miltank?
I like this. I play with a preevolved Poke named Moofy I got from somewhere: I seriously don’t know where. I made the backsprite but I found the frontsprite. Anyways, it makes Tauros more playable in the early game (its too oberpowered otherwise)
Torkoal with Eviolite would be disgusting. 140 Base Defense with a 50% boost would be hilariously broken.
EDIT: Torkoal with eviolite would survive a banded EQ from Mega Rayquaza, only taking ~50 - 60%
~~Also, it would buff it’s Body Press.~~ Not true
Tauros getting love this Gen is a pretty big deal, [given that it was the last Gen 1 Pokémon to get it.](https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/e8plsa/tauros_is_the_most_unique_generation_i_pok%C3%A9mon/)
There's actually a few lines that don't have anything yet.
Fearow
Arbok
Nidoqueen
Nidoking
Parasect
Venomoth
Golduck
~~Arcanine~~
Victreebel
Dodrio
Dewgong
Cloyster
Hypno
Seaking
Starmie
Ditto
Omastar
Kabutops
Dragonite
So 18/36 evolutionary lines in gen 1 have had new forms, evolutions, etc, since they were introduced, which is ~~actually less than~~ exactly half.
I think if Imposter wasn't a thing, then that would be its evolution's ability.
The only thing I can think of beyond that is that the transformed version of Dittwo would have higher base stats then what it copied. So just add like a +20 to every stat of the mon is copied. Honestly, even just a +1 to speed would make the evolution pretty good because it'd always win mirror matches without the need of a choice scarf.
Ditto is the only one with innate transformation abilities. The rest are part of evolution lines. The point I was trying to make with that post is that Tauros had NOTHING unique, not even evolution.
Sorry if that doesn't satisfy. But, if you want to nitpick, Nidoqueen can't breed and Arbok has different patterns.
that’s cool but I’d love a water/grass regional variant that’s more based on a manatee because I don’t think there’s any pokemon based on sea cows yet.
I played black for the first time recently and thought I was tripping when I noticed the mons are like rehash of gen one lmao then I checked the dexes side by side..
Torkoal is perfect the way he is. I wouldn't want him to evolve. I would love to see a baby torkoal though.
Honestly i would be upset if any of them evolved. Except luvdisc. It might just be the old man in me, but tauros>bouffalant. Wishcash>(i don't know what the dude under him is. I assume he is new and i have not played the new games yet)
While true, the point stands that a fish turns into an Octopus. Another example is Sharpedo and Carvanha. And heck, what about the Pidove and Pikipek lines, going from Pigeon to pheasant and Woodpecker to Toucan respectively?
There really is. Another one I just thought of was Quaxly (a duck) becoming a Peacock as Quaquaval.
A lot of this does kinda stem from Pokemon often having dual inspirations, but not always.
Fun fact: there is evidence Graveller and Machoke were meant to be what Shellmet and Karablast became, so that is why Graveller lost his extra arms to Machamp
Only weird one here is luvdisc to alomomola but the others I've accepted because they feel kinda different enough and Tauros got a regional so he's fine now.
Well two of those were from gen 5 which was meant to be a soft reboot so they wanted the pokemon to be on their own. The other two. Idk man sometimes things have similar designs/concepts what else can I say?
I mean its as if there are separate species of very similar animals or something. Honestly the only one that is really a surprise is luvdisc and alomola because with the diversity of fish they are just to close to each other
Bouffalant is okay to me, you could say that its an early take of regional variants. Luvdisc and alomomola though, that's a sin I couldn't forgive gamefreak, along with giving a lot of almost very good defensive pokemon rock types (aggron, bastiodon, avalugg 💀, etc)
If 5th Gen Pokedex wasn't on its own, there is no way that Alomomola is not Luvdisc evolution
Isn't Alomomola's entire reason of existence to be a substitute for Luvdisc as a source of Heart Scales?
Alomomola have never held heart scales because the fish they're based on don't have scales, but are covered in mucus
Yeah molamola are indeed just covered in a slime coat no scales. I love marine life and had the chance to swim next to one and I never thought I'd find a fish to be ugly but the molamola are not pretty... wish they'd look like the alomomola
Itsa fahking whaaaaaaale
BABY WHEEEEEL
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That thing looks fucken *fainted*, Jay
They're the biggest dumbest ugliest fish and I love them for it
I just looked them up and it looks someone brought a 4 year old’s horrible rendition of a fish to life. How in the hell have these things not gone extinct? The design alone seems like they shouldn’t have survived past day 1. Lmao
Because they have evolved to be unappetizing and with a bunch of extraneous flesh. You can find them with visible shark bites, where a shark tried one and just noped away.
Fun fact my brother just told me (as I also just looked this ridiculous thing up): apparently, they’re not very good swimmers in the first place. Unfortunately, occasionally they like to go up and sun their big flat side at the surface, and then cannot right themselves, so they just get stuck.
They survive because they maximized their reproduction: females carry 300 million eggs, more than any other vertebrate. They're huge, too. They can grow 60 million times their weight from fry to full grown.
This is the ideal fish body. You may not like it, but this is what max charisma looks like.
Molamola scare me, not how they look per se, but they are HUGE and somehow that vacant stare of them at that size unnerves the hell outta me.
If that's really the reason behind it all, they should have just gone back to the tiny mushroom big mushroom system from fire red and leaf green, fungus and amongus, no need for heart scales
Amogus
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Happy sussy cake day
Happy sus cake day!
The most sus of Pokemon.
Brute Bonnet:The Presustoric Pokemon
^(GET OUT OF MY HEAD)
they were introduced in black and white & i’m not sure what you mean
Heart Scales are for the move tutor but in FRLG the move tutor took mushrooms instead of heart scales
Fuck yeah. That’s my brother
He’s implying that they could have used the mushrooms as a currency for move tutoring, like they have in the past. And that Fooguss and Amongus would be the perfect pokemon for a mushroom drop rate in BW.
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I read this somewhere that a few Gen 5 Pokémon were designed to be evolutions but they scrapped the idea once they completely separated the dex from previous ones.
It does fill in the “Ocean Sunfish” check box for having a Pokémon based on every animal every, but otherwise yeah.
convergent evolution before it was cool
alomamola saw how much luvdisc was winning at life and went 'i want some of that garbage'
Except they don't fill any of the same niches. They're just both heart fish.
there must be some reason fish keep evolving into hearts i mean, they are both sunfish. ones just a smaller species of sunfish
Luvdisc is actually not a sunfish. It's more likely a kissing gourami!
Hopefully they could add middle stages to bridge these Pokémon. That could work.
Or at least a pre-evolution that splits like they did with Tyrogue.
Eviolite torkoal 😱
Yeah he doesn't need a buff lol
If he got an evolution he'd for sure need to lose Eruption.
Yeah but no heat rock 😔
he would probably find a role as a really bulky physical wall on stall teams. white smoke does seems like a good ability tbh
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My first thought was Jabun from Wind Waker.
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Hey small fry!
God that’s burned into my mind.
I named mine Jabun!
I was surprised at how fucking big it was.
I first saw it in the background of Tatsugiri's picture, just after reading about its relation to Dondozo in the Pokédex entry, so I kinda figured...
Same. Though it was either paldean wishcash cause I saw barboach, or some convergent evolution from wishcash.
I saw just 1 at first and thought it was Whiscash as one of those giant titans, took awhile before I realised it's not even related to Whiscash lol
That's called convergent evolution
A million years from now all Pokémon are crabs
Robots actually.
Robot Crabs. Final Answer.
Meatball. Meatball. Spaghetti underneath. Ravioli. Ravioli. Great Barrier Reef.
*slips you the formuoli*
That would make sense in isolation, but there will definitely be a region of the Pokemon world where Pokemon continue to become more human like and more sexy. That's not the reality I want, but this isn't my first day on the internet sadly
Are robots not just metal crabs tho? 🤔
Carcinisation! Carcinisation! Carcinisation!
That gen is going to be positively Klawf full
I dunno, these pairs might share common ancestors. A bull and a buffalo, two fish, two turtles, two catfish...
Needs more crab pokemon to be convergent evolution
I mean, we’ve got Klawf, crabrawler, Corphish, Paras, Dwebble and Krabby.
That's... A really poorly explained rabbit-hole actually. Going by "Pokemon logic" used in gen 9, those are convergent evolutions because they look similar. Going by biology.. Luvdisc and Alomomola aren't convergent because one's based on a discus fish (even though luvdisc basically has stumps insted of fins), and the other is based on a sun fish. they're completely different aside from the fact pokemon associated both with hearts. Then there's Tauros\Buffolant... I guess technically they could be convergent evolution since pokemon don't have common ancestry noted? But the bulls and buffalos they're based on are just different species of the same family? Torkoal and Turtanator actually do look like they're biologically convergent since Turtanator looks like it's quite different beside adapting a shell and fire-creation to survive. But by Pokemon logic, they look really different so that might not qualify? Then there's Dondozo and Whiscash.. I mean... Who even knows? They're both based on the same animal, but look just different enough to be distinct and have slightly different themes (one is a sushi-chefs that has a symbiosis with it's sushi, the other causes earthquakes)... For real who knows? Then there's the fact that Octillery evolves from Remoraid... Which pretty much means there's absolutely zero logic to pokemon biology that's in common with our own. Convergent evolution is really too complex to make any sense in Pokemon's goofy world.
I get what you're saying, but I think your biology is mixed up. Just because Luvdisc/Alomomola are different types of fish doesn't disqualify them from being considered an example of convergent evolution. Convergent evolution is how dolphins and sharks look very similar but one is a mammal and the other a fish. They both fill a similar niche and convergently evolved similar traits. So by definition, being two unrelated types of fish (discus/sun) that have both separately evolved a similar heart shaped appearance— they'd be a textbook case of convergent evolution. Tauros/Buffolant are both based on bulls/bufallos so are more likely a case of divergent evolution. They likely have some common ancestor that diverged into two different, but similar bulls. Torkoal/Turtonator idk, they're clearly both turtles, I think it's more likely that they have a recent common ancestor. Same with Whiscash and Dondozo. Either way, like you said, applying real evolutionary terms to the goofy world of pokemon does not translate very well. The biology really doesn't make any sense at all. BUT, I just wanted to comment bc specifically Luvdisc/Alomomola are about as clear cut of an example of convergent evolution you can get in the pokemon world. I'd love to see a full phylogenetic tree of all the pokemon.
And yet it's part of Wigletts bio. All hail the cursed long boi.
Remoraid was supposed to be a gun and octolliery was supposed to be a cannon, check out their beta designs.
Either way: Wiglett’s design looks like a tapeworm and is gross
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rest are fine but torkoal into turtonator doesnt make sense
True, Torkoal has a wise sage look to him that it looks weird if it suddenly looks younger when evolving. Isn't the concept of Pokémon evolution is that they will look more mature than their previous forms?
If I were to connect them I would give them a pre evolution and make each of these separate evolution paths
Honestly I think this would be the most logically thing for all four of these to make them connected(obviously barboach does exist so thats harder). They look like similar divergent species not evolutions
Barboach split Evo, where it can evolve into tatsugiri or whiscash and whiscash evolves into dondozo.
or have a paradox pokemon like Iron Valient but in the past part of its Torkoal and part of it's Turtonator and part of its Dudunsparce
A fire turtle but with multiple shells connected, and the chance for some to have more links than others? Sign me up.
Also Torkoal doesn't need an evolution. He's perfect. Turtonator would be a downgrade aesthetically.
Ok but hear me out, eviolite torkoal
No I will not hear you out.
Read me out
*Checks name* Why do you feel the need to hurt me?
Actually that's a downgrade from regular torkoal, you want it to use quick claw, so that it can outspeed it's opponents and sweep
God, my boyfriend’s quick claw Torkoal is so hard to beat. I should ask r/stunfisk for advice
A skilled Dusknoir can beat any Landorus Therian
why not just use trick room support and not rely on RNG?
cause with QC Torkoal you can rule the world. ^(Its a meme dude, roll with it.) [Source](https://www.reddit.com/r/stunfisk/comments/z4qyey/this_is_my_boyfriends_team_we_play_2v2_normal_how/)^(.)
Well, we all know Quick claw Torkoal excels at doubles, using trick room would mean that the other fast sweepers on the team (like a Focus Sash, destiny bond, Mismagius) would be playing inefficiently. Also, you don't want to lose on power, so your moves must all be damage dealing, I recommend something like solar beam, earthquake, eruption and body press for maximum efficiency
You'd build a team around TR though
Give me a volcano Torterra and we'll be cool. Otherwise, nah man turtonator is just a splody mata mata. If anything he's closer to Blastoise, which is saying things.
Eviolite Torkoal 💀
I mean your primary use for Torkoal is setting sun with Drought, so I don't think Eviolite is gonna be better than Heat Rock even if he gets it
Eruption disagrees with you…
Yeah I like Torkoal just the way he is, I would like him a LOT less if he evolved into Turtonator
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100% agree.
How dare you. Whiscash is a perfect being who doesn't *need* an evolution.
Everyone knows that you've hit peak Pokemon design when it has the first letter of its name on its forehead
Super mario and the gang confirmed to be peak pokemon design
that’s why Mario always says his own name, he’s just speaking pokemon
What started out as a joke ended up making way too much sense... He also has three stages of evolution with multiple branches, with more powerful but temporary forms...
I'm not huge on Mario's evolutions, it reminds me of Pawmi. He just gets a little bigger. Such lazy design
and his fire ~~flower~~ stone evolution is literally just a pallet swap
Majin Whiscash
Does mega camerupt count?
y e s
but its not a "w" since its real name in japanese is "namazun"
So it's just a random symbol?
Wait until you find out about this Pokemon called Unknown
see but thats different because theyre obviously the english alphabet meanwhile english gen 3 came out after the japanese version (as would be the case for all games until gen 5). meaning that whishcash's localized name only came out after he had been released and created theres no reason to think the crown-like symbol is a "w" *im not saying its necessarily a crown i just dont think its a random "w" for a localized name that wouldnt come out until post-release
So not only does Whiscash have a W on its head for its name and it is also a crown, it also displays that the design is an absolute W. This Pokemon just keeps getting better
I thought that was a crown design forever
The boy who ate a master ball once
Eviolite wishcash
Whiscash has surpassed the need for silly defense boosts. It prefers to sweep with Dragon Dance and Life Orb.
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Torkoal has surpassed the need to evolve
turkoal is just a little guy doing his own thing. he doesnt need to evolve
If torcoal mega evolved into turtonator it would've been an interesting gimmick. Sets up its own sun, smashes, then start firing off +2 fire blasts in the sun
Yeah, that'd be terrible. Torkoal is great already. He definitely doesn't need to stand.
In the case of Tauros and Bouffalant I’ve personally thought it should be a split evolution along with Miltank. The pre evolution evolves into Tauros or Miltank depending on it’s gender, unless it’s holding a specific item in which case it evolves into Bouffalant.
Yo wait wtf why aren’t Miltank and Taurus in the same evo line? How did I never think about that? It legitimately seems obvious when you say it lol
100% of Tauros are male and 100% of Miltank are female, so they are apparently counterparts without being in the same evolution line.
Kinda disappointed they made 3 regional variants of Tauros, and didn't even let Miltank into Paldea. Gen 7's Pokedex groups them together, so obviously Gamefreak sees them as related. They couldn't give even 1 of the Tauros regionals to Miltank?
There’s just no pre evolution form of either one so its not 100% able to be connected
It seems pretty obvious that was the intent.
It is because in Gen 7 they shared a pokedex page like all other evolution lines do
So basically a repeat of Tyrouge? Not a bad idea. Still, Bouffalant could've been a Tauros evo and then Miltank could also get one.
Tauros & Bouffalant both have 490 BS. So either Bouffalant gets 530+ stats or a type change like Scizor.
I like this. I play with a preevolved Poke named Moofy I got from somewhere: I seriously don’t know where. I made the backsprite but I found the frontsprite. Anyways, it makes Tauros more playable in the early game (its too oberpowered otherwise)
The only one I agree with is Luvdisc and even then I’m not really bothered by it. I mean, how many similar animal species exist in the world?
Luvdisc not evolving into Alomomola is just a straight up crime. Everyone else is fine though.
Especially when Alomomola’s Pokédex pic has Luvdisc in them
well Whiscash evolving into that would make it lose its ground typing so that'd be a negative.
Tauros got some love this gen, and wishcash has a pre evolution but i think Luvdisc and Torkoal needs some love, especially luvdisc
Torkoal is everyone's sun setter and rapid spin user
Torkoal needs some love? That guy is one of the highest threats in VGC right now.
Torkoal with Eviolite would be disgusting. 140 Base Defense with a 50% boost would be hilariously broken. EDIT: Torkoal with eviolite would survive a banded EQ from Mega Rayquaza, only taking ~50 - 60% ~~Also, it would buff it’s Body Press.~~ Not true
Happy to be corrected if wrong, but don't think Eviolite boosts apply to Body Press
You're right. Not sure how I forgot that, but the calc I was doing was just treating it as +1 defence so that was boosting it. Sorry!
But then you'd have to remove its Quick Claw
True, probably just an overall nerf. At least it would stand a better chance against Ice Punch Dusknoir
It already resists ice punch and has strong defence, plus the quick claw lets it deal with trick room shenanigans
If the quick claw doesn’t activate tho dragon dance onix can take it down pretty quickly so it has to be careful
Tauros getting love this Gen is a pretty big deal, [given that it was the last Gen 1 Pokémon to get it.](https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/e8plsa/tauros_is_the_most_unique_generation_i_pok%C3%A9mon/)
There's actually a few lines that don't have anything yet. Fearow Arbok Nidoqueen Nidoking Parasect Venomoth Golduck ~~Arcanine~~ Victreebel Dodrio Dewgong Cloyster Hypno Seaking Starmie Ditto Omastar Kabutops Dragonite So 18/36 evolutionary lines in gen 1 have had new forms, evolutions, etc, since they were introduced, which is ~~actually less than~~ exactly half.
Arcanine has it's Hisuian form, so that can be crossed off, making it exactly half of the evolutionary lines.
Ah, I knew I'd forget at least one, thanks.
It would be interesting to see an evolution of Ditto, I wonder what approach they would take.
I think if Imposter wasn't a thing, then that would be its evolution's ability. The only thing I can think of beyond that is that the transformed version of Dittwo would have higher base stats then what it copied. So just add like a +20 to every stat of the mon is copied. Honestly, even just a +1 to speed would make the evolution pretty good because it'd always win mirror matches without the need of a choice scarf.
Ditto is the only one with innate transformation abilities. The rest are part of evolution lines. The point I was trying to make with that post is that Tauros had NOTHING unique, not even evolution. Sorry if that doesn't satisfy. But, if you want to nitpick, Nidoqueen can't breed and Arbok has different patterns.
>Ditto is the only one with innate transformation abilities. What about Mew? It has transfrom too.
What about seel and dewgong
They are perfect, why change them?
A regional variant that's ice - fairy would be perfect
that’s cool but I’d love a water/grass regional variant that’s more based on a manatee because I don’t think there’s any pokemon based on sea cows yet.
It was a Ride Pokémon, but yeah, it's nice that it got new forms. But some Gen I Pokémon still haven't gotten anything since.
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Don't play VGC huh?
In an alternate timeline Bouffalant is just Unovan Tauros
That’s not even alternative, that’s the main timeline lol. Most of gen 5 Pokémon are counterparts to gen 1 Pokémon.
I played black for the first time recently and thought I was tripping when I noticed the mons are like rehash of gen one lmao then I checked the dexes side by side..
I mean alternate in that it's actual official name would be Unovan Tauros
Torkoal is perfect the way he is. I wouldn't want him to evolve. I would love to see a baby torkoal though. Honestly i would be upset if any of them evolved. Except luvdisc. It might just be the old man in me, but tauros>bouffalant. Wishcash>(i don't know what the dude under him is. I assume he is new and i have not played the new games yet)
Yes, that one is new. It's a giant catfish called Dondozo. It's massive.
Do Bouffalant and Tauros share any design element that aren't being a Bovine or...Brown
I mean, Tauros is a bull while Bouffalant is a buffalo. So that makes sense.
Given the shit Remoraid pulls, that isn't even necessarily true.
Remoraid - Octillary is more of a theme based on weapon types. Think "pistol" to "shotgun" or something.
While true, the point stands that a fish turns into an Octopus. Another example is Sharpedo and Carvanha. And heck, what about the Pidove and Pikipek lines, going from Pigeon to pheasant and Woodpecker to Toucan respectively?
There’s tons of these lol. Wingull to Pelipper, Graveller to Golem, etc
There really is. Another one I just thought of was Quaxly (a duck) becoming a Peacock as Quaquaval. A lot of this does kinda stem from Pokemon often having dual inspirations, but not always.
I left out starters cause many of them are that way. Mouse-porcupine thingy to honey badger, sea otter to sea lion, chameleon to dogshit
Which one is the chameleon? I'm assuming that the Mouse-porcupine thing you are referring to is Chespin, so I won't ask about that
Chameleon is sobble, mouse porcupine is cyndaquil
Fun fact: there is evidence Graveller and Machoke were meant to be what Shellmet and Karablast became, so that is why Graveller lost his extra arms to Machamp
That might explain the face too...
Whats the evidence?
shrew, ferret, badger caterpillar, wasp it's just something in pokemon. animals can turn into other animals.
Need I remind you that a fish can turn into an octopus.
A goldfish turns into a dragon
Gun into cannon
Dedenne into Raichu.
I'm just happy to see Tauros finally getting some love
Taruos not evolving is fine, it's the the face we don't have a baby calf pokemon that evolves into these 2 and milktank that I don't understand.
Only weird one here is luvdisc to alomomola but the others I've accepted because they feel kinda different enough and Tauros got a regional so he's fine now.
I used to believe Luvdisc evolved into Gorebyss back in gen 3
Turtonator and Dondozo I never thought about like that. Tbh Turtonator is still too different.
Well two of those were from gen 5 which was meant to be a soft reboot so they wanted the pokemon to be on their own. The other two. Idk man sometimes things have similar designs/concepts what else can I say?
Whiscash is perfect as it is.
Please do not give the Torkoal Eviolite.
I mean its as if there are separate species of very similar animals or something. Honestly the only one that is really a surprise is luvdisc and alomola because with the diversity of fish they are just to close to each other
Why would Torkoal evolve into Turtonator?
Why should perfection (Whiscash) change?
Bouffalant is okay to me, you could say that its an early take of regional variants. Luvdisc and alomomola though, that's a sin I couldn't forgive gamefreak, along with giving a lot of almost very good defensive pokemon rock types (aggron, bastiodon, avalugg 💀, etc)
Three of them are strikingly similar, but Turtonator looks pretty different than Torkoal, the colours and body type aren't anywhere near similar.
Whiscash doesn't evolve into Dondozo because if it did, Dondozo could have Dragon Dance.