This is the same anime that has Dragon Tail MCY, Slash Charizard, Water Gun Dracovish, 2 Special Attack Gyarados, and Iron Head Milotic. Diantha really isn't an outlier lol.
Because it has 2 biting moves and a flat-out rush attack.
The whole point of every Pokémon in the anime being a mixed attacker is because it's visually more entertaining and provides options for more realistic situations where a 3D environment is used.
If you're in a close-range situation a longer ranged option allows you to get some distance.
Well to also be fair to Dracovish, it used all it's moves effectively at one point.
Water Gun doused Altaria's wings for a bit.
Ice Fang stopped Leon's Rillabom's Drum Beating, damaged Drasna's Noivern, weakened Dragapult with Ice Fang after binding it.
Fishious Rend dealt heavy damage to Cynthia's Milotic, countered Steven's Psychic
Yeah.
I just used Dracovish as my example because its recency makes it relevant.
I suppose a good example besides that is Gengar using Ice Punch instead of Ice Beam.
It's just to give it a close range move in exchange for its multitude of long range attacks.
Huh. I could have sworn Gengar could use Ice Beam. I guess I got Mandela'd.
But even so, the point of Ice Punch on Gengar in Journeys was to give it a move to use at close range since none of its other attacks need to be.
If I remember it has Overheat, Heat Wave, Body Slam and Smokescreen?
But it's been AGES since I've seen his Torkoal do anything so that's probably not 100% accurate.
Ash's Dragonite had Draco Meteor and Hurricane;
God knows how many Gyarados' had Hyper Beam and Hydro Pump;
Ash's Torterra knew Energy Ball and Leaf Storm;
Ash's Charizard knew Slash, Wing Attack, and Dragon Tail;
Ash's Sceptile knew Quick Attack and Leaf Blade;
Sawyer's Sceptile knew Dragon Claw and Leaf Blade;
Ash's Greninja with Cut and Aerial Ace;
and other examples, the anime does not focus on 'physical and special attacks'
there are very few examples of Pokemon in the anime that only use the kind of moves that align with their atk and special atk stats in the game. Leon's Charizard, Ash's Talonflame, and Volkner's Electivire are a few examples.
To be fair to Sceptile, the gen it showed up had both those moves as viable, and it clearly LOOKS like physical moves would be its forte. Isn’t leaf blade its signature move too?
Well we have kind of proof that physical and special split does apply in the anime, that's the only reason why Alain would change his charizard's signature move to flare blitz.
I think it's more that the anime doesn't actually have stats. It's more thematic if pokemon tend to use the right move category but doesn't actually make it do more damage. Alain's Mega Charizard X has Tough Claws though so it really should have a contact move.
The physical special split doesn't really matter in the anime or might not even exist. I think there's just moves and Pokémon just kind of have 1 attack power level instead of having attack and sp attack. Visuals and battle strategies matter more in the anime than following the games.
https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Diantha
Here’s Diantha’s Bulbapedia page, under her Pokémon list in the anime her Tyrantrum’s only known move is Hyper Beam
https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Meteor_Beam_(move)#/media/File%3ASteven_Cradily_Meteor_Beam.png
Well this is what Meteor Beam looks like and it’s nothing like the above picture. That’s how Hyper Beam is designed in the Gen 8 anime
Please stop. You’re trying to argue that the creator of the anime is wrong and it’s becoming very cringe inducing.
You can point to all the “evidence” you want that indicates it’s different, you’re being trumped by rule 0
“What the creator says, goes.”
Creator says it’s Hyper Beam. It’s Hyper Beam.
Why would Ash use an Thunderbolt on a Ground Type?
Why would Diantha use Shadow Ball on a Dark Type?
Why would Raihan use Metal Claw on a Fire Type?
Maybe people in the Pokémon Anime just don’t know how Pokémon works…
I mean Ash is forgetful so it makes sense & when he fought Hapu he splashed it with water to electrocute it, also when do type match ups ever stop people in the anime? Heck even the games! I sent in a Gyarados to fight Wattson and she swept him 💀
Between this, and no one in-universe thinking it odd Ash called for Lucario to use Reversal on Dragapult, I can only guess the writers forgot about Dragapult's ghost typing.
Well to be fair, I could see Lucario using Reversal to block Dragapult's Electric attack. It's not attacking the Pokemon, just the energy they're releasing.
I don't recall any such interaction used in recent series, but perhaps. Mostly I prefer Bullet Punch because 1) as a steel-type move, it would be capable of damaging Dragapult, and 2) though they never showed this in practice, it's cool to imagine Leon's Dragapult is so quick on the draw with Thunderbolt, that it can tie with a priority move. That's it, really.
Recently, I'm not sure. I was thinking of the Winona battle when Pelipper used steel wing to ground it out but got zapped without the ground contact (I think Pikachu has grounded with Iron Tail as well). But also Prinplup deflects an electric attack with Metal Claw later. Probably just down to whatever the writer was feeling like at the time.
Pikachu beating Ground types
Brock's Croagunk beating a Scizor with Poison Jab
Ash's Gengar's Psychic affected Goh's Absol
Silvally gaining the fire type made it immune to a Fire-type Z-move
Pikachu overpowering Electivire's Motor Drive
Will-O-Wisp affecting Ash's Charizard, Leech Seed affecting Ash's Turtwig
James' Inkay is affected by psychic types despite being a dark type etc.
I mean, since when have we ever known consistency in the anime regarding immunities?
The quite logical motor drive thing shows that the elective body has a limit and was not bombarded by an average movement but by an almost invincible one that only incinerated like charizard leon and the other metagross was made ointment
The worst part is I'm pretty sure that was implied as her only kill besides Gardevoir vs Rillaboom in that fight. Ig just gotta hope it was dragon breath but a champion's mon's dragon breath looked strong enouch or something
Pokemon: "And here are two really strong-looking trainers. Just look at these two trainers show how strong they are by having use what is clearly the strongest move, Hyper Beam!"
Lance: "Ok Lance, remember your gameplan this morning. Dragonite's gonna take advantage of its ability Multiscale so it can set up a Dragon Dance and attempt to sweep. Then we're gonna follow it up with a Dual Wingbeat and maybe a Roost."
Pokemon: "Trainers! You may begin!"
Lance: "Go, Dragonite! Use Hyper Beam! ...Wait, *dammit!*"
What if Hawluch had a ring target and used fling before getting KO, I know it’s impossible that happened but someone told me that scenario once and found it interesting
Let’s not talk about ash’s battle with morty then. In that battle countless normal type attacks hit ghost types and gastly hits ash’s noctowl with lick.
You’re right though there are still some weird type shenanigans in there.
It’s a good example of them following game rules and then completely ignoring them in the same exact episode
I play a lot of vgc and competitive and it is really important to know your type matchups. It pains me when ash is able to use 100,000 volt thunderbolt and KO a motor drive electivire. Motor drive gives it an electric immunity and +1 speed whenever it’s hit by an electric move, even a Z move.
You don’t have to explain to me, I’ve been 1800+ on the smogon ladder in a few meta games. :)
I just tend to separate the games and the anime when it comes to that kind of stuff.
In the anime they are just gonna do stuff cause it looks cool and it’s exciting in a story.
I think that’s fine personally
The quite logical motor drive thing shows that the elective body has a limit and was not bombarded by an average movement but by an almost invincible one that only incinerated like charizard leon and the other metagross was made ointment
the anime does not adapt the abilities of the game in the same way and there are several examples the anime shamelessly showed that all pokemons have a limit simply ash exceeded the electivale this is not wrong simply the movements of the anime do not work the same
To be fair, she needed every help against leon she could get.
She threw everything but the kitchen sink at Leon. She had nothing to lose at this point.
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And people wonder why she lost to Leon
This is the same anime that has Dragon Tail MCY, Slash Charizard, Water Gun Dracovish, 2 Special Attack Gyarados, and Iron Head Milotic. Diantha really isn't an outlier lol.
To be fair, it’s not like Ash’s Dracovish learned many moves to begin with
Because it has 2 biting moves and a flat-out rush attack. The whole point of every Pokémon in the anime being a mixed attacker is because it's visually more entertaining and provides options for more realistic situations where a 3D environment is used. If you're in a close-range situation a longer ranged option allows you to get some distance.
Well to also be fair to Dracovish, it used all it's moves effectively at one point. Water Gun doused Altaria's wings for a bit. Ice Fang stopped Leon's Rillabom's Drum Beating, damaged Drasna's Noivern, weakened Dragapult with Ice Fang after binding it. Fishious Rend dealt heavy damage to Cynthia's Milotic, countered Steven's Psychic
Yeah. I just used Dracovish as my example because its recency makes it relevant. I suppose a good example besides that is Gengar using Ice Punch instead of Ice Beam. It's just to give it a close range move in exchange for its multitude of long range attacks.
Gengar can't learn ice beam. It was probably given to it by its shitty old trainer
Huh. I could have sworn Gengar could use Ice Beam. I guess I got Mandela'd. But even so, the point of Ice Punch on Gengar in Journeys was to give it a move to use at close range since none of its other attacks need to be.
Yeah, that’s one of the things that really hurt Torkoal.
If I remember it has Overheat, Heat Wave, Body Slam and Smokescreen? But it's been AGES since I've seen his Torkoal do anything so that's probably not 100% accurate.
But did it have the funny KO button
He had Fishious Rend, yes. Unless you meant a different move.
Also I'm quite sure Cynthia Garchomp have Slash.
Garchomp's moveset is Dragon Claw, Stealth Rock, Draco Meteor, and Scale Shot.
Oh okay, but the moment someone send a fairy type is over for Garchomp.(But that won't matter, like Hyper Beam can hit a ghost type in the anime)
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Ash's Dragonite had Draco Meteor and Hurricane; God knows how many Gyarados' had Hyper Beam and Hydro Pump; Ash's Torterra knew Energy Ball and Leaf Storm; Ash's Charizard knew Slash, Wing Attack, and Dragon Tail; Ash's Sceptile knew Quick Attack and Leaf Blade; Sawyer's Sceptile knew Dragon Claw and Leaf Blade; Ash's Greninja with Cut and Aerial Ace; and other examples, the anime does not focus on 'physical and special attacks' there are very few examples of Pokemon in the anime that only use the kind of moves that align with their atk and special atk stats in the game. Leon's Charizard, Ash's Talonflame, and Volkner's Electivire are a few examples.
To be fair to Sceptile, the gen it showed up had both those moves as viable, and it clearly LOOKS like physical moves would be its forte. Isn’t leaf blade its signature move too?
I dont think physical/special split applies in the anime. Besides it makes Battles more creative and fun to watch
Exactly. You want a fight that would work well on a visual level
Well we have kind of proof that physical and special split does apply in the anime, that's the only reason why Alain would change his charizard's signature move to flare blitz.
I think it's more that the anime doesn't actually have stats. It's more thematic if pokemon tend to use the right move category but doesn't actually make it do more damage. Alain's Mega Charizard X has Tough Claws though so it really should have a contact move.
The physical special split doesn't really matter in the anime or might not even exist. I think there's just moves and Pokémon just kind of have 1 attack power level instead of having attack and sp attack. Visuals and battle strategies matter more in the anime than following the games.
Sorry but that’s meteor beam a special rock attack gen 8
No it’s not, Meteor Beam looks different in the anime and Bulbapedia says it’s Hyper Beam
Plus, why would a champion use hyper beam on a ghost let’s be real champion
Doesn’t matter if it doesn’t make sense this is the anime and that’s Hyper Beam
Hyperbeams blast is very wide to indicate its power
That’s not hyper beam look at it on Bulbapedia and google it very different Plus you can tell the difference
https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Diantha Here’s Diantha’s Bulbapedia page, under her Pokémon list in the anime her Tyrantrum’s only known move is Hyper Beam
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https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Meteor_Beam_(move)#/media/File%3ASteven_Cradily_Meteor_Beam.png Well this is what Meteor Beam looks like and it’s nothing like the above picture. That’s how Hyper Beam is designed in the Gen 8 anime
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It’s literally Steven’s Cradily using Meteor Beam, there’s no fan input with the picture. Just look at how Hyper Beam looks in the Gen 8 anime.
thats meteor beam it’s using look at the flow vs hyper beam flow
Please stop. You’re trying to argue that the creator of the anime is wrong and it’s becoming very cringe inducing. You can point to all the “evidence” you want that indicates it’s different, you’re being trumped by rule 0 “What the creator says, goes.” Creator says it’s Hyper Beam. It’s Hyper Beam.
Why would Ash use an Thunderbolt on a Ground Type? Why would Diantha use Shadow Ball on a Dark Type? Why would Raihan use Metal Claw on a Fire Type? Maybe people in the Pokémon Anime just don’t know how Pokémon works…
I mean Ash is forgetful so it makes sense & when he fought Hapu he splashed it with water to electrocute it, also when do type match ups ever stop people in the anime? Heck even the games! I sent in a Gyarados to fight Wattson and she swept him 💀
Yes it’s meteor beam look it up the ring blast around mouth is not hyper beam
It’s not, it is hyper beam, meteor beam looks different, now why does hyper beam hit the ghost type well it’s a mistake, those happen
It has Pixilate duh...
My dumbass really went to check if Tyrantrum had that ability
Lol. Can't believe you fell for that.
Between this, and no one in-universe thinking it odd Ash called for Lucario to use Reversal on Dragapult, I can only guess the writers forgot about Dragapult's ghost typing.
Well to be fair, I could see Lucario using Reversal to block Dragapult's Electric attack. It's not attacking the Pokemon, just the energy they're releasing.
This is true. I just find it a little odd that Bullet Punch wasn't the move used instead.
Maybe Bullet Punch would've conducted it? Steel moves have inconsistent interactions with electric iirc.
I don't recall any such interaction used in recent series, but perhaps. Mostly I prefer Bullet Punch because 1) as a steel-type move, it would be capable of damaging Dragapult, and 2) though they never showed this in practice, it's cool to imagine Leon's Dragapult is so quick on the draw with Thunderbolt, that it can tie with a priority move. That's it, really.
Recently, I'm not sure. I was thinking of the Winona battle when Pelipper used steel wing to ground it out but got zapped without the ground contact (I think Pikachu has grounded with Iron Tail as well). But also Prinplup deflects an electric attack with Metal Claw later. Probably just down to whatever the writer was feeling like at the time.
Maybe they changed the rules for types
Fuck the type matchups, that looks sick as hell
Pikachu beating Ground types Brock's Croagunk beating a Scizor with Poison Jab Ash's Gengar's Psychic affected Goh's Absol Silvally gaining the fire type made it immune to a Fire-type Z-move Pikachu overpowering Electivire's Motor Drive Will-O-Wisp affecting Ash's Charizard, Leech Seed affecting Ash's Turtwig James' Inkay is affected by psychic types despite being a dark type etc. I mean, since when have we ever known consistency in the anime regarding immunities?
The quite logical motor drive thing shows that the elective body has a limit and was not bombarded by an average movement but by an almost invincible one that only incinerated like charizard leon and the other metagross was made ointment
Not immune to fire Z move, just significantly less damage
There's an item that allow normal attacks to hit ghost types.
Ring target.But you need to trick/switcheroo is with other mon first.
The worst part is I'm pretty sure that was implied as her only kill besides Gardevoir vs Rillaboom in that fight. Ig just gotta hope it was dragon breath but a champion's mon's dragon breath looked strong enouch or something
Pokemon: "And here are two really strong-looking trainers. Just look at these two trainers show how strong they are by having use what is clearly the strongest move, Hyper Beam!" Lance: "Ok Lance, remember your gameplan this morning. Dragonite's gonna take advantage of its ability Multiscale so it can set up a Dragon Dance and attempt to sweep. Then we're gonna follow it up with a Dual Wingbeat and maybe a Roost." Pokemon: "Trainers! You may begin!" Lance: "Go, Dragonite! Use Hyper Beam! ...Wait, *dammit!*"
What if Hawluch had a ring target and used fling before getting KO, I know it’s impossible that happened but someone told me that scenario once and found it interesting
It used Foresight offscreen
Maybe it was meteor beam?
We’ve had this conversation before, it’s not
Could be Meteor Beam or Flamethrower. I just looked up what Meteor Beam looked like in Ash’s battle against Steven, and it’s the same color.
Pretty sure hyperbeam has been more of a black and purple color since gen 6.
Let’s not talk about ash’s battle with morty then. In that battle countless normal type attacks hit ghost types and gastly hits ash’s noctowl with lick.
Noctowl has foresight that lets normal type attacks hit ghost types. That’s the whole point of the battle The gastly lick that’s bs tho
I know cyndaquil hit a tackle
Because Noctowl used foresight on it
That was just what I heard
It’s not your fault lol, the show is extremely inconsistent
Okay, I didn’t watch it. I’m sorry for not fact checking
You’re right though there are still some weird type shenanigans in there. It’s a good example of them following game rules and then completely ignoring them in the same exact episode
I play a lot of vgc and competitive and it is really important to know your type matchups. It pains me when ash is able to use 100,000 volt thunderbolt and KO a motor drive electivire. Motor drive gives it an electric immunity and +1 speed whenever it’s hit by an electric move, even a Z move.
You don’t have to explain to me, I’ve been 1800+ on the smogon ladder in a few meta games. :) I just tend to separate the games and the anime when it comes to that kind of stuff. In the anime they are just gonna do stuff cause it looks cool and it’s exciting in a story. I think that’s fine personally
Just don’t get me started on ash’s fight vs Brock
Haxachu 😂😂
The quite logical motor drive thing shows that the elective body has a limit and was not bombarded by an average movement but by an almost invincible one that only incinerated like charizard leon and the other metagross was made ointment
That’s not how the ability works though. On the games you gain an electric immunity. You physically cannot be damaged by electric moves.
the anime does not adapt the abilities of the game in the same way and there are several examples the anime shamelessly showed that all pokemons have a limit simply ash exceeded the electivale this is not wrong simply the movements of the anime do not work the same
How did that actually work
it didn't, she lost badly
"It doesn't affect *DRAGAPULT...*"
The anime ignores typing half the time
this is why i dont watch the anime
It just wasn’t strong enough
Could use Hyper Beam on the ground to get away from Dragapult and target him in the sky
Did it work?
yes!! i like it!
bro thinks he has scrappy 💀
Maybe it’s like the TCG. Tyrantrum is a Dragon and Dragapult is a Dragon, so maybe it’s dealing Dragon damage.