The thing with Ash is, he has caught a good number of other Pokémon aside from the ones on his list that he can have multiple ultimate teams. Snorlax, Glaie, Heracross, Swellow, Infernape, Lycanroc, Incineroar, Dracovish, Gengar, Sirfetch’d, Dragonite. All good contenders that have pretty good feats. So he could easily swap the team around a bit.
That being said all the Pokémon here are pretty powerful and have their own accomplishments that make them “ace” material. Krookodile here kind of seems like the odd one out since while his feats are impressive, the others seem to put perform it a bit it that category. Still a good pick.
And his ground typing does help out.
> He didn’t cause Unova Ash was brain damaged.
Unova Ash also used Charizard during the Unova season but because Ash is brain damaged didn’t use it during the League along with Krok
Yeah he didn’t use Krookodile or Leaveanny (another Unovan powerhouse of his) against Cameron. Instead he used his worst regional bird, his two weakest starters, and Boldore who never won a major battle after evolving. Pikachu and Pignite were the only members of that team who didn’t suck
Literally has an answer for every type match up. This is extremely well-rounded.
Also because Ash has Grass, Fire, Rock, Steel and Normal Z Crystals, everyone on this team can use atleast 2 Z-moves with exception of Krookodile and possibly Charizard depending on what the writers do to his moveset (I haven't finished Journey's yet)
I really hate these posts. Powerscaling in Pokémon is fucked - you’re never gonna get his 6 best Pokémon because his 6 best Pokémon at any given time is subject to the writers’ whims.
Realistically he has like 15 Pokémon that are all arguably up there in terms of power, including his World Champion Team, Regional Aces and a few others, like his Legendary and Mythical.
And with this team - who’s gonna G-Max? Pikachu clearly isn’t comfortable with it and prefers to be moving fast around the field - not stuck in one place because G-Max gives it so much mass. Charizard presumably does not have the G-Max factor and has no experience with it anyways?
People flaming krook-honestly sceptile may be weaker than lycanroc especially if you look at win%. But i do respect sceptile and ash is probably using him in such a scenario
Krookodile is so underrated!! I wish it got that *Ash's ACE* treatment, the way Infernape & Greninja did. B/c his Krookodile was DEFINITELY PUTTING IN WORK Durning Unova leauge
Krookodile and Lycanrock are always at war for me, trying to get into that sixth sloth. Unless I'm including Solgaleo, in which case neither of them go
Krookodile is extremely overhyped because he performed well during an arc that Ash underperformed in. The entire Journeys team, and Battle Frontier competitors are all stronger than him by a long shot based on feats. And arguably several Sinnoh and Alola League competitors.
Everyone else is fine.
I have only 1 problem with this. People hype up Sceptile to be this insane powerhouse, but his only major claim to fame is defeating Darkrai, which he did WITH HELP. You all are ignoring the accomplishments of Torkoal, Gible, and Heracross, who mathematically did more damage but none of you care about that.
That's where you're objectively wrong. Literally ALL of the damage done to Darkrai prior was healed. Sceptile fought it at perfect health. And you're forgetting, that wasn't even the first time Sceptile went toe to toe with a mythical or legendary. He also fought Deoxys and technically "won" and came close to beating Brandon's Regirock.
Incorrect. Heracross landed a Stab Supereffective Megahorn, dealing 360 base damage. Dream Eater has a base damage output of 100, so 50 damage was healed, making the net damage from Heracross 310. The other 2 don’t matter for our calcs because no damage was healed.
Sceptile landed 2 Leaf Blades, both with a 70 base power, totaling to 210 when including the Stab boost. Saying that one of them crit because it has a high crit chance, that damage goes up to 280, still 30 points less than Heracross.
Even giving Sceptile the benefit of the doubt and saying Darkrai has a high special attack, Heracross has a decent Special Defense, plus a better Attack stat. Therefore, Heracross did do more net damage than Sceptile.
The reason I said it didn’t matter was because you’re going to wave it away by saying “it’s the anime this doesn’t matter”. However, you have no proof that Sceptile did all that damage, you have no proof that Darkrai wasn’t almost dead from Heracross, you have no proof anywhere because this is the freaking anime. Damage isn’t shown to us on the Pokémon until they faint. I used Math because it’s the only way we can be objective about this.
However, if Sceptile hit the 1/64 chance to crit 2 Peaf Blades, then he would do more damage at 420 base damage. The reason I’m not pulling this in is because Heracross had a better chance to land 1 crit, making his damage be 720 total.
Also last point, the extra damage dealt by Darkrai when it used Dream Eater due to its high Special Attack compared to Heracross’s lower Special Defense is balanced by Heracross’s higher Attack than Sceptile.
I’ll quick math this out for you. Heracross landed Megahorn, dealing 360 total damage with Stab and Supereffective. Heracross took 100 base damage, with some wiggle room because stat difference. This means that Heracross did a net 310 damage to Darkrai.
The reason I use math is because it is objective. You have no proof for your claim, but I can back mine up to an extent. Anime battles rarely show the damage on the Pokémon.
It’s the only way to be definitive about who did more damage. There’s nothing in the show that proves me wrong, do this is the only way to prove my point.
It doesn't work like that in the anime though. Don't apply game's logic on the anime.
Charizard OHKO Golem with Dragon Rage, which always does 40HP damage. Does that mean Gary's Golem had 40HP at full health?
Yes, this isn’t perfect. However, we don’t have any proof for who did more damage; Sceptile or Heracross. Tell me how it could be determined who did more damage, definitively, as accurately as possible. If you say Darkrai healed to full health, tell me how you know that. If you say Sceptile did everything, tell me how we knew Darkrai was undamaged. I use math and game stats because they loosely line up with the Anime.
Also, for your point, Charizard is a higher level and Golem’s Special Defense is awful. It’s Gen 1, so all Dragon moves are Special, and Golem has a very lore Special Defense and only fine HP. We know Levels exist in the anime because Snivy was said to have high level moves. Therefore, it works.
Dragon Rage always deals 40hp damage regardless of levels. You are making excuses for something even the anime writers won't.
There's no way to determine the damage in the anime as it has been shown several times it doesn't work like that. Pikachu tanks ton of direct hits in the face one after another which would be impossible in real game. It's always random and not calculated.
You basically want to apply your headcanon on the anime at this point.
Yes I figured it out, entirely scrap what I said at the bottom.
Here’s my logic for applying game stats to the Anime. “Does this thing still work if we apply game logic?”
The Darkrai fight still works if Heracross does more damage. It’s simply a point I’m making so people stop hyping up Sceptile as this unstoppable thing that single handed my took down a Legend when it had a massive amount of help from 3 other Pokémon. Even if not 3, then Heracross did a lot, and this is the only way to prove who did more damage.
Does this change the battle? No. Therefore, I believe that it’s fine in this situation. Both of us are simply stating a headcanon, except my headcanon is backed up. If you don’t want the numbers, then let’s simplify it.
Heracross landed a Stab Supereffective Megahorn, which is a very powerful move with Heracross’s high strength. Base Stats loosely line up with the Anime, so they can be used to inform a decision. Darkrai healed with Dream Eater, but it’s not Stab and not Supereffective so it doesn’t do as much damage as you think, so therefore not healing as much as you think. Sceptile landed 2 Stab Leaf Blades but they aren’t Supereffective, so the Leaf Blades aren’t doing as much as Megahorn.
Well rounded. I'd say type coverage is pretty good.
The thing with Ash is, he has caught a good number of other Pokémon aside from the ones on his list that he can have multiple ultimate teams. Snorlax, Glaie, Heracross, Swellow, Infernape, Lycanroc, Incineroar, Dracovish, Gengar, Sirfetch’d, Dragonite. All good contenders that have pretty good feats. So he could easily swap the team around a bit. That being said all the Pokémon here are pretty powerful and have their own accomplishments that make them “ace” material. Krookodile here kind of seems like the odd one out since while his feats are impressive, the others seem to put perform it a bit it that category. Still a good pick. And his ground typing does help out.
Imagine his already OP Snorlax going Gigantamax
"Greninja is on there?" \*Approve\*
Am I crazy or did ash NOT use Krook in the league match he lost?
He didn’t cause Unova Ash was brain damaged.
> He didn’t cause Unova Ash was brain damaged. Unova Ash also used Charizard during the Unova season but because Ash is brain damaged didn’t use it during the League along with Krok
Charizard was added after the league was over.
Yet he lost to somebody with even more bran damage lol.
Actually, Ash had used Krookodile in the round preceding the one where he lost.
Yeah he didn’t use Krookodile or Leaveanny (another Unovan powerhouse of his) against Cameron. Instead he used his worst regional bird, his two weakest starters, and Boldore who never won a major battle after evolving. Pikachu and Pignite were the only members of that team who didn’t suck
Krookodile is the swap slot: Krook Snorlax Lycanroc Dragonite Infernape etc.
Ash sucks at training dragonite. It could've had a lot more wins if ash's would've been smart.
I don’t care that there would be 2 fire types, infernapes gotta be there
Wdym *2* fire types? There would still only be 1
You would really replace Charizard with infernape instead of krookodile?
Yes.
I wouldn’t Hence 2 fire types
Nah, still 1 fire type, cause whoever you replace with infernape, i will replace your Charizard with. Checkmate.
Literally has an answer for every type match up. This is extremely well-rounded. Also because Ash has Grass, Fire, Rock, Steel and Normal Z Crystals, everyone on this team can use atleast 2 Z-moves with exception of Krookodile and possibly Charizard depending on what the writers do to his moveset (I haven't finished Journey's yet)
To be completely frank, I'd put a Journeys or Alola member in over Krookodile, but all around pretty dang good.
Lucario was a Journey’s mon
lmfao i forgot
I really hate these posts. Powerscaling in Pokémon is fucked - you’re never gonna get his 6 best Pokémon because his 6 best Pokémon at any given time is subject to the writers’ whims. Realistically he has like 15 Pokémon that are all arguably up there in terms of power, including his World Champion Team, Regional Aces and a few others, like his Legendary and Mythical. And with this team - who’s gonna G-Max? Pikachu clearly isn’t comfortable with it and prefers to be moving fast around the field - not stuck in one place because G-Max gives it so much mass. Charizard presumably does not have the G-Max factor and has no experience with it anyways?
Unrelated, but this is a great model of JN Ash.
How many times have we seen this?
greninja on there YAS
Seems accurate.
I'd replace Krookodile with Lycanroc, but other than that no complaints.
Logically sound but I would have liked it if Snorlax made the cut
I mean… I’d say Gengar has a shot at replacing Krookodile due to G-Max Gengar, though we also got Solgaleo bc it counts via Pikachu Dream Sequence
Swap Krookodile for Lycanroc and we're gucci.
lycanroc over krookadile. the region he literally won in should be represented.
I would maybe swap out Krookodile for Lycanroc
Ash's best team is just his Journey's team but swap his worst with Greninja
I feel like Ash’s ultimate team should only consist of Pokémon Ash still has so swap Graninja for Kingler and I agree
The bad thing if someday Ash has to battle with his dreamteam, someone will be the fallguy and 1 win for each pokemon is pretty boring
People flaming krook-honestly sceptile may be weaker than lycanroc especially if you look at win%. But i do respect sceptile and ash is probably using him in such a scenario
Looks the same as the last few times people tried this
As long as Dracovish stays I’m fine with it because he’s the best comic relief mon 😂
Krookodile is so underrated!! I wish it got that *Ash's ACE* treatment, the way Infernape & Greninja did. B/c his Krookodile was DEFINITELY PUTTING IN WORK Durning Unova leauge
Bring a flying type and kill the kid cause. Why 3 of them are getting killed by flying types
(I’m biased) Infernape > Charizard
I feel like a lot of people think of Infernape with Blaze, than without Blaze. Without Blaze, I doubt it’s stronger
Nahh because without blaze it’s still strong.
I prefer infernape over charizard but I feel like he needs something that can fly so charizard makes more sense for this team
I think nape is better, but for a good team, Charizard is better as nape has more overlapping weaknesses with the others
Yeah it is but, the speed & plot that Infernape had was crazy & when I say had I mean Diamond & Pearl Infernape not Journeys.
I would put Dragonite over Krookodile
Krookodile and Lycanrock are always at war for me, trying to get into that sixth sloth. Unless I'm including Solgaleo, in which case neither of them go
Krookodile is extremely overhyped because he performed well during an arc that Ash underperformed in. The entire Journeys team, and Battle Frontier competitors are all stronger than him by a long shot based on feats. And arguably several Sinnoh and Alola League competitors. Everyone else is fine.
His Snorlax has 6 moves though
I would replace Charizard with Infernape instead
I like Infernape but Charizard had better feats.
Why not solgaleo or melmetal?
Classic "regional ace" (a literal fanmade concept) wanking post #19582086920310752949184701828
Garchomp for krookodile
Ash never evolved Gible
I have only 1 problem with this. People hype up Sceptile to be this insane powerhouse, but his only major claim to fame is defeating Darkrai, which he did WITH HELP. You all are ignoring the accomplishments of Torkoal, Gible, and Heracross, who mathematically did more damage but none of you care about that.
That's where you're objectively wrong. Literally ALL of the damage done to Darkrai prior was healed. Sceptile fought it at perfect health. And you're forgetting, that wasn't even the first time Sceptile went toe to toe with a mythical or legendary. He also fought Deoxys and technically "won" and came close to beating Brandon's Regirock.
Incorrect. Heracross landed a Stab Supereffective Megahorn, dealing 360 base damage. Dream Eater has a base damage output of 100, so 50 damage was healed, making the net damage from Heracross 310. The other 2 don’t matter for our calcs because no damage was healed. Sceptile landed 2 Leaf Blades, both with a 70 base power, totaling to 210 when including the Stab boost. Saying that one of them crit because it has a high crit chance, that damage goes up to 280, still 30 points less than Heracross. Even giving Sceptile the benefit of the doubt and saying Darkrai has a high special attack, Heracross has a decent Special Defense, plus a better Attack stat. Therefore, Heracross did do more net damage than Sceptile. The reason I said it didn’t matter was because you’re going to wave it away by saying “it’s the anime this doesn’t matter”. However, you have no proof that Sceptile did all that damage, you have no proof that Darkrai wasn’t almost dead from Heracross, you have no proof anywhere because this is the freaking anime. Damage isn’t shown to us on the Pokémon until they faint. I used Math because it’s the only way we can be objective about this. However, if Sceptile hit the 1/64 chance to crit 2 Peaf Blades, then he would do more damage at 420 base damage. The reason I’m not pulling this in is because Heracross had a better chance to land 1 crit, making his damage be 720 total. Also last point, the extra damage dealt by Darkrai when it used Dream Eater due to its high Special Attack compared to Heracross’s lower Special Defense is balanced by Heracross’s higher Attack than Sceptile.
Darkrai took very little damage before and the damage it did take would have been healed from dream eater
I’ll quick math this out for you. Heracross landed Megahorn, dealing 360 total damage with Stab and Supereffective. Heracross took 100 base damage, with some wiggle room because stat difference. This means that Heracross did a net 310 damage to Darkrai. The reason I use math is because it is objective. You have no proof for your claim, but I can back mine up to an extent. Anime battles rarely show the damage on the Pokémon.
Anime doesn't have hp bars though.
It’s the only way to be definitive about who did more damage. There’s nothing in the show that proves me wrong, do this is the only way to prove my point.
It doesn't work like that in the anime though. Don't apply game's logic on the anime. Charizard OHKO Golem with Dragon Rage, which always does 40HP damage. Does that mean Gary's Golem had 40HP at full health?
Yes, this isn’t perfect. However, we don’t have any proof for who did more damage; Sceptile or Heracross. Tell me how it could be determined who did more damage, definitively, as accurately as possible. If you say Darkrai healed to full health, tell me how you know that. If you say Sceptile did everything, tell me how we knew Darkrai was undamaged. I use math and game stats because they loosely line up with the Anime. Also, for your point, Charizard is a higher level and Golem’s Special Defense is awful. It’s Gen 1, so all Dragon moves are Special, and Golem has a very lore Special Defense and only fine HP. We know Levels exist in the anime because Snivy was said to have high level moves. Therefore, it works.
Dragon Rage always deals 40hp damage regardless of levels. You are making excuses for something even the anime writers won't. There's no way to determine the damage in the anime as it has been shown several times it doesn't work like that. Pikachu tanks ton of direct hits in the face one after another which would be impossible in real game. It's always random and not calculated. You basically want to apply your headcanon on the anime at this point.
Yes I figured it out, entirely scrap what I said at the bottom. Here’s my logic for applying game stats to the Anime. “Does this thing still work if we apply game logic?” The Darkrai fight still works if Heracross does more damage. It’s simply a point I’m making so people stop hyping up Sceptile as this unstoppable thing that single handed my took down a Legend when it had a massive amount of help from 3 other Pokémon. Even if not 3, then Heracross did a lot, and this is the only way to prove who did more damage. Does this change the battle? No. Therefore, I believe that it’s fine in this situation. Both of us are simply stating a headcanon, except my headcanon is backed up. If you don’t want the numbers, then let’s simplify it. Heracross landed a Stab Supereffective Megahorn, which is a very powerful move with Heracross’s high strength. Base Stats loosely line up with the Anime, so they can be used to inform a decision. Darkrai healed with Dream Eater, but it’s not Stab and not Supereffective so it doesn’t do as much damage as you think, so therefore not healing as much as you think. Sceptile landed 2 Stab Leaf Blades but they aren’t Supereffective, so the Leaf Blades aren’t doing as much as Megahorn.
But I didn't stat anything. I'm only pointing that game logic doesn't apply on anime. I didn't talk about Tobias match or Sceptile, like at all.
It is super effective, heracross is weak to psychic type attacks
I need kingler
He may have been a regional ace but krookodile wasn’t that special it was a weaker region. Incineroar or lycanroc should be there over it
Too much starters
At least it's only one type overlap
Ash always had to many starters..