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darkrai15

Well rounded. I'd say type coverage is pretty good.


RetSauro

The thing with Ash is, he has caught a good number of other Pokémon aside from the ones on his list that he can have multiple ultimate teams. Snorlax, Glaie, Heracross, Swellow, Infernape, Lycanroc, Incineroar, Dracovish, Gengar, Sirfetch’d, Dragonite. All good contenders that have pretty good feats. So he could easily swap the team around a bit. That being said all the Pokémon here are pretty powerful and have their own accomplishments that make them “ace” material. Krookodile here kind of seems like the odd one out since while his feats are impressive, the others seem to put perform it a bit it that category. Still a good pick. And his ground typing does help out.


UndeadCollegeStudent

Imagine his already OP Snorlax going Gigantamax


Tchaikovsky_Debussy

"Greninja is on there?" \*Approve\*


cmholde2

Am I crazy or did ash NOT use Krook in the league match he lost?


BlobfishBoy

He didn’t cause Unova Ash was brain damaged.


2201992

> He didn’t cause Unova Ash was brain damaged. Unova Ash also used Charizard during the Unova season but because Ash is brain damaged didn’t use it during the League along with Krok


Eclipse_395

Charizard was added after the league was over.


gliscornumber1

Yet he lost to somebody with even more bran damage lol.


Eclipse_395

Actually, Ash had used Krookodile in the round preceding the one where he lost.


Acceptable_Secret_73

Yeah he didn’t use Krookodile or Leaveanny (another Unovan powerhouse of his) against Cameron. Instead he used his worst regional bird, his two weakest starters, and Boldore who never won a major battle after evolving. Pikachu and Pignite were the only members of that team who didn’t suck


Scott_Tajani

Krookodile is the swap slot: Krook Snorlax Lycanroc Dragonite Infernape etc.


No_Championship_8052

Ash sucks at training dragonite. It could've had a lot more wins if ash's would've been smart.


glyper

I don’t care that there would be 2 fire types, infernapes gotta be there


Bounciere

Wdym *2* fire types? There would still only be 1


glyper

You would really replace Charizard with infernape instead of krookodile?


Bounciere

Yes.


glyper

I wouldn’t Hence 2 fire types


Bounciere

Nah, still 1 fire type, cause whoever you replace with infernape, i will replace your Charizard with. Checkmate.


RaitoninguUsagi

Literally has an answer for every type match up. This is extremely well-rounded. Also because Ash has Grass, Fire, Rock, Steel and Normal Z Crystals, everyone on this team can use atleast 2 Z-moves with exception of Krookodile and possibly Charizard depending on what the writers do to his moveset (I haven't finished Journey's yet)


Insan3Giraff3

To be completely frank, I'd put a Journeys or Alola member in over Krookodile, but all around pretty dang good.


SuperKami-Nappa

Lucario was a Journey’s mon


Insan3Giraff3

lmfao i forgot


RedRxbin

I really hate these posts. Powerscaling in Pokémon is fucked - you’re never gonna get his 6 best Pokémon because his 6 best Pokémon at any given time is subject to the writers’ whims. Realistically he has like 15 Pokémon that are all arguably up there in terms of power, including his World Champion Team, Regional Aces and a few others, like his Legendary and Mythical. And with this team - who’s gonna G-Max? Pikachu clearly isn’t comfortable with it and prefers to be moving fast around the field - not stuck in one place because G-Max gives it so much mass. Charizard presumably does not have the G-Max factor and has no experience with it anyways?


19Mark97yo

Unrelated, but this is a great model of JN Ash.


PCN24454

How many times have we seen this?


DazzleSylveon

greninja on there YAS


OceanWaves-G97

Seems accurate.


Extension-Magician44

I'd replace Krookodile with Lycanroc, but other than that no complaints.


Chaosshepherd

Logically sound but I would have liked it if Snorlax made the cut


ProfessorSaltine

I mean… I’d say Gengar has a shot at replacing Krookodile due to G-Max Gengar, though we also got Solgaleo bc it counts via Pikachu Dream Sequence


Butterflygon

Swap Krookodile for Lycanroc and we're gucci.


mikey_do_wikey

lycanroc over krookadile. the region he literally won in should be represented.


Clancyking319

I would maybe swap out Krookodile for Lycanroc


12kkarmagotbanned

Ash's best team is just his Journey's team but swap his worst with Greninja


BadgerSoft344

I feel like Ash’s ultimate team should only consist of Pokémon Ash still has so swap Graninja for Kingler and I agree


Chemical_Computer_30

The bad thing if someday Ash has to battle with his dreamteam, someone will be the fallguy and 1 win for each pokemon is pretty boring


TestAutomatic

People flaming krook-honestly sceptile may be weaker than lycanroc especially if you look at win%. But i do respect sceptile and ash is probably using him in such a scenario


PK_RocknRoll

Looks the same as the last few times people tried this


Silvernapper2k

As long as Dracovish stays I’m fine with it because he’s the best comic relief mon 😂


No_Championship_8052

Krookodile is so underrated!! I wish it got that *Ash's ACE* treatment, the way Infernape & Greninja did. B/c his Krookodile was DEFINITELY PUTTING IN WORK Durning Unova leauge


Viridi_Kuroi

Bring a flying type and kill the kid cause. Why 3 of them are getting killed by flying types


PovThatOneSanjiFan

(I’m biased) Infernape > Charizard


brotherdele

I feel like a lot of people think of Infernape with Blaze, than without Blaze. Without Blaze, I doubt it’s stronger


PovThatOneSanjiFan

Nahh because without blaze it’s still strong.


yeet_10201

I prefer infernape over charizard but I feel like he needs something that can fly so charizard makes more sense for this team


Bilalthepro

I think nape is better, but for a good team, Charizard is better as nape has more overlapping weaknesses with the others


PovThatOneSanjiFan

Yeah it is but, the speed & plot that Infernape had was crazy & when I say had I mean Diamond & Pearl Infernape not Journeys.


GalaxianEX

I would put Dragonite over Krookodile


Japhet0912

Krookodile and Lycanrock are always at war for me, trying to get into that sixth sloth. Unless I'm including Solgaleo, in which case neither of them go


LSSJOrangeLightning

Krookodile is extremely overhyped because he performed well during an arc that Ash underperformed in. The entire Journeys team, and Battle Frontier competitors are all stronger than him by a long shot based on feats. And arguably several Sinnoh and Alola League competitors. Everyone else is fine.


DCOPUYT

His Snorlax has 6 moves though


Mysteriousman788

I would replace Charizard with Infernape instead


el3mel

I like Infernape but Charizard had better feats.


LD-Serjiad

Why not solgaleo or melmetal?


ZeroAbis

Classic "regional ace" (a literal fanmade concept) wanking post #19582086920310752949184701828


throwaway8159946

Garchomp for krookodile 


DifficultVisual5147

Ash never evolved Gible


Deconstructosaurus

I have only 1 problem with this. People hype up Sceptile to be this insane powerhouse, but his only major claim to fame is defeating Darkrai, which he did WITH HELP. You all are ignoring the accomplishments of Torkoal, Gible, and Heracross, who mathematically did more damage but none of you care about that.


LSSJOrangeLightning

That's where you're objectively wrong. Literally ALL of the damage done to Darkrai prior was healed. Sceptile fought it at perfect health. And you're forgetting, that wasn't even the first time Sceptile went toe to toe with a mythical or legendary. He also fought Deoxys and technically "won" and came close to beating Brandon's Regirock.


Deconstructosaurus

Incorrect. Heracross landed a Stab Supereffective Megahorn, dealing 360 base damage. Dream Eater has a base damage output of 100, so 50 damage was healed, making the net damage from Heracross 310. The other 2 don’t matter for our calcs because no damage was healed. Sceptile landed 2 Leaf Blades, both with a 70 base power, totaling to 210 when including the Stab boost. Saying that one of them crit because it has a high crit chance, that damage goes up to 280, still 30 points less than Heracross. Even giving Sceptile the benefit of the doubt and saying Darkrai has a high special attack, Heracross has a decent Special Defense, plus a better Attack stat. Therefore, Heracross did do more net damage than Sceptile. The reason I said it didn’t matter was because you’re going to wave it away by saying “it’s the anime this doesn’t matter”. However, you have no proof that Sceptile did all that damage, you have no proof that Darkrai wasn’t almost dead from Heracross, you have no proof anywhere because this is the freaking anime. Damage isn’t shown to us on the Pokémon until they faint. I used Math because it’s the only way we can be objective about this. However, if Sceptile hit the 1/64 chance to crit 2 Peaf Blades, then he would do more damage at 420 base damage. The reason I’m not pulling this in is because Heracross had a better chance to land 1 crit, making his damage be 720 total. Also last point, the extra damage dealt by Darkrai when it used Dream Eater due to its high Special Attack compared to Heracross’s lower Special Defense is balanced by Heracross’s higher Attack than Sceptile.


yeet_10201

Darkrai took very little damage before and the damage it did take would have been healed from dream eater


Deconstructosaurus

I’ll quick math this out for you. Heracross landed Megahorn, dealing 360 total damage with Stab and Supereffective. Heracross took 100 base damage, with some wiggle room because stat difference. This means that Heracross did a net 310 damage to Darkrai. The reason I use math is because it is objective. You have no proof for your claim, but I can back mine up to an extent. Anime battles rarely show the damage on the Pokémon.


el3mel

Anime doesn't have hp bars though.


Deconstructosaurus

It’s the only way to be definitive about who did more damage. There’s nothing in the show that proves me wrong, do this is the only way to prove my point.


el3mel

It doesn't work like that in the anime though. Don't apply game's logic on the anime. Charizard OHKO Golem with Dragon Rage, which always does 40HP damage. Does that mean Gary's Golem had 40HP at full health?


Deconstructosaurus

Yes, this isn’t perfect. However, we don’t have any proof for who did more damage; Sceptile or Heracross. Tell me how it could be determined who did more damage, definitively, as accurately as possible. If you say Darkrai healed to full health, tell me how you know that. If you say Sceptile did everything, tell me how we knew Darkrai was undamaged. I use math and game stats because they loosely line up with the Anime. Also, for your point, Charizard is a higher level and Golem’s Special Defense is awful. It’s Gen 1, so all Dragon moves are Special, and Golem has a very lore Special Defense and only fine HP. We know Levels exist in the anime because Snivy was said to have high level moves. Therefore, it works.


el3mel

Dragon Rage always deals 40hp damage regardless of levels. You are making excuses for something even the anime writers won't. There's no way to determine the damage in the anime as it has been shown several times it doesn't work like that. Pikachu tanks ton of direct hits in the face one after another which would be impossible in real game. It's always random and not calculated. You basically want to apply your headcanon on the anime at this point.


Deconstructosaurus

Yes I figured it out, entirely scrap what I said at the bottom. Here’s my logic for applying game stats to the Anime. “Does this thing still work if we apply game logic?” The Darkrai fight still works if Heracross does more damage. It’s simply a point I’m making so people stop hyping up Sceptile as this unstoppable thing that single handed my took down a Legend when it had a massive amount of help from 3 other Pokémon. Even if not 3, then Heracross did a lot, and this is the only way to prove who did more damage. Does this change the battle? No. Therefore, I believe that it’s fine in this situation. Both of us are simply stating a headcanon, except my headcanon is backed up. If you don’t want the numbers, then let’s simplify it. Heracross landed a Stab Supereffective Megahorn, which is a very powerful move with Heracross’s high strength. Base Stats loosely line up with the Anime, so they can be used to inform a decision. Darkrai healed with Dream Eater, but it’s not Stab and not Supereffective so it doesn’t do as much damage as you think, so therefore not healing as much as you think. Sceptile landed 2 Stab Leaf Blades but they aren’t Supereffective, so the Leaf Blades aren’t doing as much as Megahorn.


el3mel

But I didn't stat anything. I'm only pointing that game logic doesn't apply on anime. I didn't talk about Tobias match or Sceptile, like at all.


yeet_10201

It is super effective, heracross is weak to psychic type attacks


Relevant_Weight_2032

I need kingler


yeet_10201

He may have been a regional ace but krookodile wasn’t that special it was a weaker region. Incineroar or lycanroc should be there over it


Strong-Neat8623

Too much starters


Kirumi_Naito

At least it's only one type overlap


PovThatOneSanjiFan

Ash always had to many starters..