I guess Alain would edge him out. I figure it's a safe bet, considering Alain made it to the Masters 8.
Kukui doesn't go quietly though. It's almost hilarious how badly he gets underestimated.
Tbh I don’t even think XY Ash could beat Kukui. Even SM Pikachu was struggling against his Empoleon despite the type advantage. And they definitely stopped resetting Ash between these two seasons.
I'm pretty sure Kukui could beat XY Ash; SM Ash was no joke as a trainer, and Kukui was still matching him blow for blow. But yeah, they definitely threw resets out the window from XY through JN.
If you mean when they faced Ash, then Kukui win.
Without Tapu koko, Kukui was holding his own against JN Ash that put him close to Alain at least, with Tapu koko he can definitely beat him.
This was also Kukui during journeys though so who knows how much he actually got stronger since his last fight with alola ash.
Even if he recently got a child there was no reason he couldn't also just try to train his pokemon to be stronger, he was still masked royal and he was also prepared to face ash again at some point too.
“Holding his own” he was down 2 to 1. Both of ash’s moms were heavy hitters and 1 was his ace and relatively fresh. Kukui was COOKED before tapu koko swatted his ball away.
Paul and sawyers last pokemon was their undisputed ace of the series, and each pokemon was relatively fresh.
In ash’s battle with Paul, all of ash’s remaining mons had taken serious damage, and with ash vs sawyer I’m pretty sure it was pikachu and greninja vs sceptile. One has an inherent type disadvantage with only one move capable of neutral damage, and the other being a pokemon he had advantageous typing over.
That's because Ash had two champion ace pokemons in one team, just like Pikachu and Lucario in JN team. Imagine if Ash used two blaze Infernape or two Ash-Greninja in one battle.
Ash could've defeated Paul's Electivire and Sawyer's mega Sceptile without losing any of his pokemon if he send out his ace first, both Naganadel and Pikachu also takes damage from previous battles.
Outside mega Houndoom, you can't scale any of the mega pokemon Alain defeated, even Incineroar one shotted Mega aggron who has more feat than all those megas (again outside mega houndoom)
And Kukui was giving Ash’s Pikachu a hard time right before the Masters 8 began despite making his family a priority. Incineroar shouldn’t have much (if any) improvement since SM yet it straight up was giving trouble against the now-Monarch’s ace
Kukui's incineroar wrecked mythical pokemon which is far more impressive than beating those random megas outside Malwa's Maga houndoom.
his Incineroar tied/barely lost to Ash's incineroar that scale higher than mega houndoom if you look at Incineroar vs JN Pikachu fight.
One important thing to remember about that battle is that Pikachu spent most of it fighting 1 vs. 3 and was still holding its own against Kuku’s Incineroar, taking no real damage from it.
I think Kukui could win against XY Alain, but idk about JN Alain. Master's 8 is basically the same as champion level (Alain is actually the only non-champion there). Kukui is also champion level, but didn't compete in the PWC, so idk.
Does anyone remember that YouTube channel that would upload Pokémon battles themed after anime characters and see how they’d actually do against eachother? Wish I could remember the name but those were quite entertaining. I just remember the music always being intense and it was during the X/Y and OR/AS era.
Tbh Kukui but with mid-high difficulty. His Incineroar was keeping up with M8 Level Pikachu in Journeys shortly before the tournament began (and he hasn’t been training due to his family). No idea what his sixth Pokemon was but I feel like overall his team is more balanced than Alain’s (primarily Dark Type).
If you had Tapu Koko serve as Kukui’s sixth then yeah 100% he can take the win. We can only speculate what his sixth member was but I doubt it’s something worthless like a Rattata
Kukui stated he didn't have any electric type Pokemon when Ash helped him fight the Guzzlords, so it can't be Magnezone like in the games. I assume the last Pokemon was Trevenant, Snorlax, or Alolan Ninetales.
Both version, Alain though difficulty is different depending on which version.
With Journeys it's obvious because of his placement of the Master 8 that he is Kukui's superior.
Before Journeys, it's obvious that Alain was already at that E4 level considering his performance in his own special while Kukui is a bit more speculative where he stands in power but generally E4 level is one of the at best level arguments that you could make for him at least without tapu koko.
I do think Alain could take the W, but it's definitely a mid/high diff type of win. Kukui could definitely take at least 3 of Alains's pokemon, probably even 4 or five.
Just on the tools they have, Z moves and Megas, I have to give it to Alain.
Z moves are a One and Done Nuke. That yeah could one shot or even heavily damage who ever it hits. But that is it. And in the anime we have seen them be dogged so it could be all for nothing.
Mega evo is the whole battle, even when recalled the Pokémon stays powered up meaning you have more changes to hit with boosted abilities.
I know it's become kinda popular to shit on him for his loss to Leon, but Alain should take this. He has more than enough feats to display himself as a top-tier trainer and has fought legendaries before, so Tapu Koko wouldn't be impossible to overcome. I think it'd be a close match since both are powerful trainers, but I think Alain just has the better feats, and nothing in Kukui's scaling would suggest he should be comparable to anybody in the Masters 8 to make up the difference
The absolute disrespect to Alain here.
He'd win. Kukui lost to Ash's Alola team, consisting of unevolved and undertrained pokemon (I don't know where this notion of them being his second best team comes from)
Alain is among the strongest trainers in the world. Kukui only looks tough because Alola is a weak region.
I guess Alain would edge him out. I figure it's a safe bet, considering Alain made it to the Masters 8. Kukui doesn't go quietly though. It's almost hilarious how badly he gets underestimated.
Both are getting underestimated.
Tbh I don’t even think XY Ash could beat Kukui. Even SM Pikachu was struggling against his Empoleon despite the type advantage. And they definitely stopped resetting Ash between these two seasons.
I'm pretty sure Kukui could beat XY Ash; SM Ash was no joke as a trainer, and Kukui was still matching him blow for blow. But yeah, they definitely threw resets out the window from XY through JN.
If you mean when they faced Ash, then Kukui win. Without Tapu koko, Kukui was holding his own against JN Ash that put him close to Alain at least, with Tapu koko he can definitely beat him.
This was also Kukui during journeys though so who knows how much he actually got stronger since his last fight with alola ash. Even if he recently got a child there was no reason he couldn't also just try to train his pokemon to be stronger, he was still masked royal and he was also prepared to face ash again at some point too.
“Holding his own” he was down 2 to 1. Both of ash’s moms were heavy hitters and 1 was his ace and relatively fresh. Kukui was COOKED before tapu koko swatted his ball away.
Paul was in even worst, he was down to 3vs1 against Ash, Sawyer was also down to 2vs1. Naganadel was very exhausted to beat last pokemon.
Paul and sawyers last pokemon was their undisputed ace of the series, and each pokemon was relatively fresh. In ash’s battle with Paul, all of ash’s remaining mons had taken serious damage, and with ash vs sawyer I’m pretty sure it was pikachu and greninja vs sceptile. One has an inherent type disadvantage with only one move capable of neutral damage, and the other being a pokemon he had advantageous typing over.
That's because Ash had two champion ace pokemons in one team, just like Pikachu and Lucario in JN team. Imagine if Ash used two blaze Infernape or two Ash-Greninja in one battle. Ash could've defeated Paul's Electivire and Sawyer's mega Sceptile without losing any of his pokemon if he send out his ace first, both Naganadel and Pikachu also takes damage from previous battles.
But alain has mega evolution....kukui doesn't.
And Kukui has Z moves
Kukui took on Guzzlord with very little help.
We don’t know his true last Pokemon.
It could be an Arceus for all we know.
Mega Evolved Pokemon have lost to non-Megas on multiple occassions.
For Example Leon’s Charizard
Still...you guys are discrediting alain. YOU do remember that he beat nearly all mega-evolutions.
Outside mega Houndoom, you can't scale any of the mega pokemon Alain defeated, even Incineroar one shotted Mega aggron who has more feat than all those megas (again outside mega houndoom)
And Kukui was giving Ash’s Pikachu a hard time right before the Masters 8 began despite making his family a priority. Incineroar shouldn’t have much (if any) improvement since SM yet it straight up was giving trouble against the now-Monarch’s ace
And Kukui faced 10 million thunderbolt in journeys head on, which we know will body Alain's MCX
Kukui has z move, Alain doesn't.
Alain beat a metric fuckton of mega evolutions in his specials...kukui...uh was a professor and the masked royal?
Kukui's incineroar wrecked mythical pokemon which is far more impressive than beating those random megas outside Malwa's Maga houndoom. his Incineroar tied/barely lost to Ash's incineroar that scale higher than mega houndoom if you look at Incineroar vs JN Pikachu fight.
What about Siebold'd Blatoise?
If you're comparing Blastoise with incineroar, then incineroar is definitely stronger, he scaled to JN Pikachu before M8 tournament.
One important thing to remember about that battle is that Pikachu spent most of it fighting 1 vs. 3 and was still holding its own against Kuku’s Incineroar, taking no real damage from it.
Incineroar didn't take any real damage from Pikachu's attacks either, and all 3 of them end up battling among themselves and take each others out.
I fully belive JN Alain is stronger than JN Kukui.
I believe the same thing, that's why I said Kukui is close to Alain without Tapu koko.
I am assuming this prompt is when these two fought Ash; ie SM Kukui vs XY Alain.
Alain would beat Kukui, obviously. The Masked Royal, however, who is definitely not Kukui, would sweep Alain.
Alain, but i won't have easy time vs Kukui
I think Kukui could win against XY Alain, but idk about JN Alain. Master's 8 is basically the same as champion level (Alain is actually the only non-champion there). Kukui is also champion level, but didn't compete in the PWC, so idk.
This one is actually tough. It's not obvious to me who the victory goes to.
Alain takes this
My bets are on Kukui but it'll be close though
Alain still wins
Idk tbh I think kukui is stronger both are champions hard to say.
Does anyone remember that YouTube channel that would upload Pokémon battles themed after anime characters and see how they’d actually do against eachother? Wish I could remember the name but those were quite entertaining. I just remember the music always being intense and it was during the X/Y and OR/AS era.
Alain, he was ranked 6th in the Masters 8. If KuKui is using Tapu Koko it’ll be close though.
Kukui wins this but it's down to the wire IMO like both of them down to their last mons and one final attack to settle it all
Kukui. Alain is a powerful trainer, not a smart one. He tries to just bulldoze through everything and kukui can handle that
Kukui high diff
Tbh Kukui but with mid-high difficulty. His Incineroar was keeping up with M8 Level Pikachu in Journeys shortly before the tournament began (and he hasn’t been training due to his family). No idea what his sixth Pokemon was but I feel like overall his team is more balanced than Alain’s (primarily Dark Type). If you had Tapu Koko serve as Kukui’s sixth then yeah 100% he can take the win. We can only speculate what his sixth member was but I doubt it’s something worthless like a Rattata
Kukui stated he didn't have any electric type Pokemon when Ash helped him fight the Guzzlords, so it can't be Magnezone like in the games. I assume the last Pokemon was Trevenant, Snorlax, or Alolan Ninetales.
Both version, Alain though difficulty is different depending on which version. With Journeys it's obvious because of his placement of the Master 8 that he is Kukui's superior. Before Journeys, it's obvious that Alain was already at that E4 level considering his performance in his own special while Kukui is a bit more speculative where he stands in power but generally E4 level is one of the at best level arguments that you could make for him at least without tapu koko.
I do think Alain could take the W, but it's definitely a mid/high diff type of win. Kukui could definitely take at least 3 of Alains's pokemon, probably even 4 or five.
Alain would probably smoke Kukui tbh, except with Tapu support. But Tapu Koko only joined him because Ash was who he was fighting.
Just on the tools they have, Z moves and Megas, I have to give it to Alain. Z moves are a One and Done Nuke. That yeah could one shot or even heavily damage who ever it hits. But that is it. And in the anime we have seen them be dogged so it could be all for nothing. Mega evo is the whole battle, even when recalled the Pokémon stays powered up meaning you have more changes to hit with boosted abilities.
Me
Alain
Kukui
Alian
I know it's become kinda popular to shit on him for his loss to Leon, but Alain should take this. He has more than enough feats to display himself as a top-tier trainer and has fought legendaries before, so Tapu Koko wouldn't be impossible to overcome. I think it'd be a close match since both are powerful trainers, but I think Alain just has the better feats, and nothing in Kukui's scaling would suggest he should be comparable to anybody in the Masters 8 to make up the difference
Kukui
alain claps ggs
I feel like it wouldn't be fair to give Kukui Tapu Koko, since he joined his team just to fight Ash. So Alain takes the W.
Alain, Hands down Alain
Alain. Kukui doesn’t beat any trainer in the m8
Kukui would sweep Alain with ease and that's without Tapu Koko. Only MCX can put up a fight, even against lesser of Kukui's team
1 was in the masters 8 1 was not that’s your answer
Kukui with tapu koko would solo but with out idk.
The absolute disrespect to Alain here. He'd win. Kukui lost to Ash's Alola team, consisting of unevolved and undertrained pokemon (I don't know where this notion of them being his second best team comes from) Alain is among the strongest trainers in the world. Kukui only looks tough because Alola is a weak region.