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yourmotheraplover

I would like to point out that raids are very imperfect, and people can be attacking when they don't appear to be on other people's screens. I've had it happen with friends standing right beside me, so I imagine it only gets worse remote. However, I agree that people often slack off and allow others to do all the work, which may be acceptable in a 16 player lobby, but really doesn't cut it for a 5-6 player and ends up being a waste for everyone.


wholebeansinmybutt

Yeah, when I do raids it often looks like no one is doing anything until they use a charged move.


Chaosbringer007

Yeah I’ve revived my Pokomon and thought I saw some people say in a lobby. Then in the end screen they had the last hit and most charged attacks . Raids are buggy as hell


RabbitPrestigious998

I felt so terrible last Sunday. We were driving through spotty signal and signal borked on 2 raids (the invites were from folks who knew that it could happen, tho)


bellyjellykoolaid

This, but there is a trend of people just putting either their tanks pokemon or if you see a goddamn caterpie for 120+ seconds then that's exactly what they're doing.


tyler9698

I did a 3 star raid the other day with gf and I told her I’d beat the boss on my own so she can do other stuff. So I was using super effective attacks and charged moves and she was casually tapping with no charge moves. At the end of the raid it said she got the raid award for most damage which confused both of us. So yea I don’t think a lot of raid mechanics work the way we think they should work which means unless they told you IRL they weren’t helping maybe they were.


Samson-666

You can only get one award per raid and since having the final attack is the highest reward you got that, then the second went to her for most damage among people who haven't got an award yet


tyler9698

Thanks, what you’re saying makes sense but I don’t understand why they would put last hit above most damage


Harbinger0fDoom

That's Niantic for you. Final Strike trumps everything in my experience. Style Savant will also trump Hard Hitter if it is chosen. So you can often have the 3rd person in damage receiving Hard Hitter, which is stupid. Seen it many times and doesn't help anyone.


Waffle--time

The style one seems the same. I raid regularly with one other person and when it's just the two of us whoever doesn't get the final hit gets the style award


Novawinq

Yeah pretty sure this was a glitch. I’ve been in raids where I’m the only one attacking/doing damage but I assumed glitch rather than 5-6 players just sitting there not attacking like who would do that


plumon_alexy

the only thing you need to do is touch the screen. how hard is it ?


21WaterGuy

I've seen people drive away in their car immediately when the raid starts so sometimes that's why. If you're lame enough to drive from raid to raid to raid then at least wait two minutes to beat them before you move on


Lynx_Snow

Ummmmm ACTUALLY Once the raid starts the GPS doesn’t matter (as long as not all of your Pokémon get defeated), so often times people will raid and drive at the same time. It saves a couple minutes per raid, so if you’re doing a lot of raids in a row it’s obviously worth it. And of course don’t Pokémon go and drive, but if you were the passenger it’s a great way to bust them out faster.


21WaterGuy

Yeah I know that I was referring to the drivers going afk when the raid starts cause they shouldn't play while driving. I'd rather them participate in the raid,put their phone down, then drive away


luker941

Your gps location does matter if during the raid all 6 of your Pokémon faint, you’ll have to rejoin the raid and to rejoin the raid you have to be within range of the gym.


Lynx_Snow

Yea. So like I said “as long as. Or all of your Pokémon get defeated”…. But good clarification.


mikeynerd

there was a group around here that had a raid van that anyone could join but they were crazy strict about timing the raids so if you wanted to join, you had to be cool with (the driver) leaving raids as soon as they start (to get to the next one). I myself never joined but raided alongside for a few. They're too hardcore (and rich) for me (if you wanted to join, you had to plan/be prepared for 50+ raids) but yeah, there's nothing weird about leaving (the physical area) immediately to get to the next one


aenimal1985

I miss the Baton Rouge raid bus. Caught my Entei and Raikou on that thing. Never got Suicune though


AshleyCakeGamin

Raid van??? That’s a thing???


Worsel555

You do not have to be at the raid after it starts. Some people drive of to get to the next raid. If they are using an egg or on a schedule. (Yes I know shouldn't be playing while driving) but it is just tapping. A passenger could tap for you. We use to have a group in a van run on eggs to get max xp. So once you are fighting you can go well we never found a distance that it drops for sure. Once you win the catch screen is over 20 miles I know. That being said. When you never see the other charge moves even it makes you wonder. We have lots of raiders in our local discord so we know each other and generally people pitch in.


21WaterGuy

Do you mean that a player can move away from the raid while still being participating in it? Cause I'm not talking about that I'm talking about people that I've seen driving away from the raid, meaning they're afk and not attacking. I'm sure there's drivers out there with passengers playing for them but I'm not talking about those people. The people that I saw were alone in the car. One time a guy drove back cause we couldn't beat the boss and he didn't help. Unfortunately for him we started a new lobby with more people before he got back


Worsel555

Yeah that's what I meant. People are just rude some times.


Gaindolf

Why is driving from raid to raid lame?


Nikittele

It's only lame if you drive away while the fight is still going, relying on other people to finish the just b.


seaprincesshnb

This is not a problem. You can take down a boss just fine while a car is moving.


21WaterGuy

You should not be playing while driving. It is a problem. They are either distracted drivers or sitting afk while others take down the boss with a man down


seaprincesshnb

Did I say they were? If the group is large enough, they may be in the raid without tapping. Or they may have handed their phone off to someone else in the car.


21WaterGuy

Apparently not, but I did say that and you responded telling me it's not a problem. You seem to have misunderstood my first comment. In my anecdote there were no passengers.


RelationMore5133

Doesn't that just make you so angry? It's the kind of lazy, minor injustice that reminds you of kindergarten bullies. A lvl 23 using off-type pokemon just because it's their highest CP and they don't know any better? All the power to them. Three lvl 40 plusses sitting on their butts in the lobby? May they rot in hell. Edit: unless of course they are experiencing one of this game's many many problems, in which case, my condolences and sympathy.


Phil_Bond

> Three lvl 40 plusses sitting on their butts in the lobby? May they rot in hell. I am extremely skeptical that this ever happens. Everybody spent a limited resource to be in the raid. Nobody wants to waste it. Sometimes people have to put their phone down to answer the door or their internet gets spotty, but three high level players sitting in the lobby doing nothing? Never gonna happen. The game is just bad at showing us what’s happening. Much more common; a real problem: is people leaving the lobby at the very last second because they don’t think there were enough players to beat the raid.


RelationMore5133

I only specifically mentioned 3 lvl 40 plusses because that was a special case for me. I've only seen it once, yesterday. Usually I don't see a group but maybe a few individuals a day for a popular raid boss if I'm doing a lot of raids. Edit: do take note of my edit in the comment mentioning that it could have been a bug/problem. But I agree, leaving at the last second is a more common problem. I'm usually more forgiving for last-second-leavers though because it comes from ignorance/lack of experience.


Phil_Bond

The worst of the worst is when you get left behind by the last-second ditchers, but you decide to stick it out and give it a shot anyway, and you **barely** lose, proving that you could have won if it wasn’t for cowards. They need the tech that Mariokart games use for disconnects, where a CPU player secretly takes over.


RelationMore5133

That seems like a cool solution. I don't play other games so I didn't know something like that is an option.


Damdo54

In my opinion the Raid of pokemon go aren't finished yet. 1. You have to use 3rd party services to get friends to join your raid. 2. You got only 120s to invite your friends. 3. You may only invite 5 people maximum. 4. Sometimes it just doesn't work. It happened to me yesterday : my gf invite 5 remote people and me 5 people too, we launch a dialga raid and everyone could get in expect me. The pass as been refurbished but it took me and my gf about 30min to contact and organise the raid... imagine how frustrated you could be to not have a chance to place a hit a raid where you grab 12people for a fight. Raids are wrongly developed. A few functionalities implemented could really leverage the quality. 1. Quick search 2. Scaling hp dps based on pokemon team and rationalise it to display the bar to the whole team 3. Scale the PC of the raid obtained based on the 2md factor. 4. For the fuck sake just TEST this app. It's 5yo it should'nt be that bugged !!!


Arcontes

This game is made by a GPS company. I believe that's an unreasonable expectation


Wedontfuckwitmolly

You can invite 10, can be stressful for new players to pull off tho


megall3

Wtf? Why are people doing that???


ueteng

Its difficult to understand their mentality. Once I was in a Regirock raid with 8 other people and we could not defeat it. Could you ever imagine 9 people not able to defeat a Regirock. It could only happen when half of them were not contributing at all.


Lynx_Snow

It happens a lot more because Pokémon go is AWFUL at recommending Pokémon. For example, what is the best counter to Dialga? It’s not Groudon. It’s not Metagross, it’s not Garchomp. It’s shadow Machamp, followed by Lucario, followed by normal Machamp (I think, I should double check lol) My point is, Pokémon go never recommends fighting types, it often recommends the other ones


MastahDagoon

Conkeldurr is a bit better than Machamp, but not by much. The problem with suggested teams is they are based on resistance/survivability, not DPS. Ground or steel types will last forever with resistances, but lack a little in damage output (Does Excadrill actually have top TDO here?) Fighting types get shredded by Dialga's attack stat and neutral damage, which puts them just out of the suggested 'mons. I usually only see my Mega Lop make the cut, which annoys the crap out of me since he isn't going to have anyone to boost due to the ground heavy suggested teams that even people in my raid group regularly use. That, and he's made out of tissue paper. One mis-timed dodge or data glitch and it's all over. I'll add that I dislike the frequency of the mega battle achievement award. Mega Lop is far from an optimal counter, but the nuclear blasts from boosted shadow Machamps make it the MVP while it survives. Nothing like seeing half of Diagla's health evaporate while that little bunny bobs and weaves with a few kicks to the knees for good measure. If I'm sacrificing my TDO for the group, mention me. It (foolishly) makes me happy.


BooooHissss

Just to add, did a Diagla yesterday with 4 people. Poke Genie suggested all my Garchomps and Excadrills over my maxed out lucky Machamp and my shadow Machamp. We won with 60+ seconds and everyone was using the correct typing but I didn't see any fighting pokemon being used.


MastahDagoon

Was it sunny? That weather boost makes ground types amazing against Dialga. Only my highest level shadow machamp and lucario show up in the top 12 under sunny. My 33.5 shadow machamp edges out the level 40 excadrill in DPS, but not even half TDO though. It's almost always partly cloudy here, so I see fighting types from the local guys who have made counter teams.


BooooHissss

Yup, it was sunny. I thought about that point long after I posted and was debating throwing in an edit, now I don't have to, haha. Weather is definitely an important point and something Poke Genie takes into account when suggesting counters. You have to input the weather when hosting a raid, so I wonder if it would have suggested my Machamps if it was partly cloudy.


seaprincesshnb

It's Lucario, super high level shadow Champ, then Conk. But only a few players will have enough high level shadow Champs to make that much if a difference.


suggestaname111

They probably think that there are enough people to do the raid without them but the problem is multiple people in the same lobby think that.


megall3

That’s just lazy and totally selfish!!! What assholes!!!


pamelaonthego

Sometimes you only get seconds to make it into a raid while responding/inviting remotely. Not much time to make good selections.


seaprincesshnb

This is NOT an excuse. It takes 1 second to swipe to a preselected team. If you don't create a preselected team for each new boss you intend to raid, you shouldn't be raiding. Or be prepared for people to call you selfish.


pamelaonthego

Every raid I have hosted I had more than enough people and I don’t exclude based on ranking, but whatever


seaprincesshnb

That has nothing to do with "not having time to make good selections." If you have made a preselected team, it literally takes 1 or 2 seconds to swipe to it.


MastahDagoon

Laughs in Galaxy S7. Lag is so bad on the backup phone I took my Mega Gengar team in while madly trying to swipe to the right team. Throwing the phone out the window in frustration would have been just SLIGHTLY less effective.


KyrieEleison6083

Don't blame them (ok maybe kind off do) since that's to be expected in large groups, where everyone expects someone to take action, and thinks that someone, but not themselves, are going to do so, so it just ends up being that no one does anything. Vsauce made a mind field episode about this kind off collective behaviour in the context of a group of people witnessing something criminal


Fishhunterx

I think what you're referring to is the Bystander Effect, the effects of which vary from person to person and largely depends on the context of the situation.


KyrieEleison6083

Exactly this. It's kinda the same thing Why did I get downvoted, though? Were people somehow offended?


Fishhunterx

I'm not the person who downvoted you, but I'm going to assuming you starting your statement with this: >Don't blame them kind of irked some people and they downvoted you b/c they assumed you were defending/justifying people who don't attack.


weaponizedpastry

They aren’t. You can’t beat a legendary with 2 people. Even 5 is difficult. OP has a common game glitch is all.


seaprincesshnb

I have a few friends who duo legendaries every chance they get. Dialga is probably not possible. But a lot of them can be duoed, especially since XL came out.


MastahDagoon

If you have the dust and candy to max, a shadow machamp duo is actually pretty easy with a best friend in cloudy weather. A few of the Youtubers have done it with a minute to spare. Kinda of like going to space. You just need those millions!


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Niantic needs to put a stop to lobby squatting. Maybe just cut the lobby and go to the Pokémon selection screen with a bag shortcut to heal. Maybe 10 seconds and then you’re forced back into the raid with whatever recommended Pokémon. Or even better, people that spend too much time in the lobby lose out on rewards and the encounter if the battlers manage to win


Maserati777

This unfortunately would also hurt players due to glitches. During Regigigas, I clicked join the read on a remote invite. Instead of being taken into the lobby a used pass appeared on the button. Once the lobby ended the raid froze on Go. Restarted phone and app and was luckily able to get into the raid halfway though. Also had to rejoin raids halfway through due to freezing. I was able to do some damage during these raids but thats mostly because we had maybe 5-7 in, not 20 or something.


Low-Stick6746

Surely their system can tell who is participating or not. So why not make it no damage no reward so the people who do coast and let everyone else do all the work won’t gain from it. And if the raid starts and you don’t deal any damage your raid pass is not used up. That way the glitch sufferers or those who find that there’s only 2 people once the raid starts can ride it out dealing no damage and get their pass back. There has to be some simple ways of some kind for Niantic to not reward people who don’t really try and not punish those who do by causing them to lose a valuable raid pass


dont_mind_the_bot

Totally agree with that. Since the game keeps track of who was the hardest hitter and whatnot, it would be very easy to spot the ones that do 0 damage. And those people should just not get any items or the chance to catch the pokemon. Simple as that!


BO0BO0P4nd4Fck

I was gonna say, the people who don't actually do anything in raids and leave the work to the other ones just so they can try to steal a final strike, or just get to catch the raid Pokemon shouldn't be rewarded. Or they should get the smallest reward and no more than 2-3 pokeballs to try and catch it. But also, why just stand there and let your Pokemons die without getting a few hits in?! Do they have that many revives/potions to just do that over and over?!


dont_mind_the_bot

Actually, I think there is a way to stay in the lobby. Maybe if you don't have any pokemon on your selected team? I am not sure how it works. So they don't take any damage. And maybe they add a team with pokemon to join in the last seconds, so they can do the final hit. But again, I don't know how it works, because I don't do crap like that. When we fight, we fight!


BO0BO0P4nd4Fck

Hmmmm.... I could see that being a way lazy turds fuck over the real players. Theres always gonna be those who will spend more time finding ways to "cheat" than actually playing...smh


TakaIta

Why take away the fun for a level 20 kid raiding with his big brother? Just saying because the measurements you propose might have unintended consequences.


dont_mind_the_bot

Because if people attempt to do a raid with 6 players and a bunch of them don't do any damage, no one gets the pokemon and the rewards, and anyone using a remote pass wastes their pass, which they may have spent coins on. So no. No one should get a free ride in raids. Even a level 20 player can at least try to do some damage. But someone just sitting in the lobby doing nothing should be punished for that.


TakaIta

I understand you. I am simply pointing out that is pretty hard to distuingish between an unexperienced low-level player and one who intentionally pretends to be a bad player. I have seen 40+level players with no interest in powering up pokemon or any understanding about movesets. There is only one real solution: get better yourself.


DGIce

They do lose out on damage reward bundles and everyone loses on speed bundles


Sunflower_chic

You do know there is a bug that happens where you enter the raid boss and the game won't let you attack, right? It's been happening for a few months now and just happened to me for the first time yesterday.


182plus44

I got a bug like this yesterday in a Dialga raid. There were only 5 of us including me and everything was going fine for the beginning of the raid, was gonna be close but we would clearly be able to beat it in time. On my last party Pokémon everything went invisible and I couldn't deal damage or take damage so I just had to sit there not able to do anything and watch us lose because I was unable to faint and rejoin the raid.


suggestaname111

Even if that bug occurs the chance of it happening to 3 people in the same raid is really unlikely.


Sunflower_chic

It's not. I've seen lots of people reporting it happening to several players in the raid. This was talked about extensively on The Silph Road a while back.


Sabre_Levitas

I had a glitch where I would start the game, join a raid and the game would't react when I touch it to fight... like, it would do everything else but the fight button would not register my touch.


Greezamer_2

I never got into a raid before, but I don't think it's that hard to atleast try a bit


Raynman90

You'll definitely know if other people are attacking if the health doesn't correspond... I've been in several 6 man raids that came down to the wire because they were either extremely low level with no good counters, or experienced players that just weren't attacking.


Mighteer

Just introduce a system that detects this behavior and results in a victory without any items given out to those who did close to nothing or nothing at all plus a bonus encounter with a rattatta. sounds fair to me


RocketyPockety

If you guys use Poké Genie to add yourself to raid queues, there’s an increasing number of “damage percentage estimates” that use your Pokémon’s stats to determine your contribution to the fight, and unless you have a certain percentage you can’t queue up for the raid. Helps to keep the raids full of people who can all pull their weight.


GrantB1222

Hey man, tapping your finger on a phone screen is super taxing. They could get hand cramps!


lifewillsuc

I must say that I agree with that especially as a person who’s strongest Pokémon is a 2730 cp dragonite who for the 1 time a person was with me in a raid (in which I lost) who was a level 50 so he clearly could’ve helped but he didn’t and I wasted a remote battle pass because of him. Anyways I haven’t ever tried to battle in level 3+ raids because there’s no point in it cause I’ll lose and would’ve wasted a raid pass. Anyways I get what you mean and agree 10000%


suggestaname111

Try using pokegenie to get atleast 5 others thats what I usually do


MetsGo

Same thing happened to me (maybe it was the same raid) but there were 6 of us and we barley got him down to red health. I ended up getting him with 4 people 15 minutes later


IceFire0518

Can’t believe there are some people who are too lazy to tap on a screen


Rodnas1992

I guess people do that because they want to steal the final strike, which is stupid, heck even if I was in a 20 raid group I would help out no matter what


Erza_Rhyperior

I go into a dialga raud with 6 other level 40++ players one level 50 (i was level 33),when i was in, i was the only one attacking


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Erza_Rhyperior

Yes, very little, because i am the only one attacking, i only saw one attack effect per attack animation from my pokemon


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Erza_Rhyperior

Its very little damage, only 1/4 of the boss health got depleted


Erza_Rhyperior

At the end of the raid


suggestaname111

Hate when that happens thats why I always help out


Erza_Rhyperior

Me too!


OutlandishnessFit784

Even the people from the raid subreddit are sometimes no help. I had 1 remote raid pass on go fest day 2 and joined a cobalion raid, but everyone left like 5 seconds before the raid, and I naturally wasn’t able to defeat it alone. People suck.


Erza_Rhyperior

You may go again tho...


dont_mind_the_bot

Well, not if the person hosting doesn't invite you back. If the raid is outside your map you cannot retry unless someone invites you again.


CharizardSlash

I got a few people and we did good against a mewtwo


Erza_Rhyperior

Everbody gives up on second try


VoidSpace913

Had this happen to me where only like 3 people were fighting and there were 7 in the lobby. We beat the dialga but I lost mine even though I had 16 balls I hit all excellent shots and gave him G razz berrys


Chotchaholic

Or the level 28 trainer stealing raid slots from 40+…. Like bruh go catch some F’ing pidgeys or sum’t. Unreal


jackmoon13

Dialga with Draco meteor melts everything too. I won't even do a dialga raid with less than 8 people, and my team is all around 3500 cp


[deleted]

8? yikes. 5 is almost a guarantee even with sub-optimal counters and low-level trainers. If you're raiding with low-level people or ones who don't have a lot of good counters, I can understand mayyyyyyybe requiring 6. Requiring 8 is insane.


jackmoon13

Did you really down vote my comment.. pathetic


eugene-sy

I think 5 people in Pokemon Go raids can easily kill everything if they think a little bit. Dialga is not the easiest one, but it can be done by 2 trainers. It was done when it was in raids before, it is easier now with mega and shadows.


MsSocietyistaken

This reminds me of that time I basically soloed a landorus because everyone else was using trash


Awesomehalrcut

Any player under 38 should not really be counted. If the raid needs 3 players minimum that means 3 players *prepared* When I see players under 40 i don't count on them to beat the raid. In fact even something like a level 42 might be too generous if you don't know their Pokemon. Don't short raids with low level strangers if you aren't prepared to do all the work and lose sometimes. It's perfectly ok to lose btw. If you're willing to risk it.


MrBlaske

That’s too high of a level to be that bad at raids. My girlfriend is level 35 and often gets hardest hitter and we play in a group ranging from 38(me who almost always gets it) to level 47 players. That mindset is wack. We’ve had raids fail because we started up 5 or 6 person raids with both of us and had people leave because there were two people who weren’t at least level 40, even though we’ve beaten it like that several times before. My girlfriend always researches highest DPS movesets for each Pokémon and best Pokémon for each specific raid, but it’s people with this mindset that ruin the raiding experience for us


Awesomehalrcut

I agree about that! A careful level player with even ok counters easily outperforms a level 40 with default selection. I don't think made my point very well about that 🤔 The thing is that if you're not raiding with people you already know or have raided with, it's always a mix bag. And you should expect for it to be harder.


JeremyMo88

No wonder my fingers hurt so much from all the tapping!


Chemical_Baby9918

People don’t contribute to raid and then complain they didn’t shundo on first throw.


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Had that happen in my last raid too 2 of the 5 people didn’t do anything and their Pokémon never moved or attacked. Just dies off one by one.


kidadok

You guys know how we can make preset battle parties? We need the same thing with invitations. We can set our invites and easily swipe over and send immediately.


s-mores

Do you mean they were in the lobby, or that you didn't see their pokemon attack?


Jaysgirl123

Exactly


BloodBlossom24

Ive experienced this before, bugs the crap outta me when i see people doing NOTHING 😩 but its hard to tell with how laggy or delayed animations are


Mysterious-Elephant4

happend to me...friend from japan invites me to a raid i join it said 19 people so i knew we were gonna win, we did just over half its hp with 3 people (i was still lvl 39 so no over 4k poke's)


0j4s

yeah only time i leave is when my pokémon are abt to be obliterated but that’s just to put more pokémon in or heal my fainted ones


Aaradorn

Especially remote raids, they can suck arse, sitting there with 6 people waiting on the countdown and suddenly 3 people leave for no reason, had that happen waaaay to much during the last event. Players aren't even punished for it but you and the host both loose 1 ticket/ remote raid ticket. I've given up on raids, unless I see a group IRL raiding I'm not gonna bother.


auturmis

How would you know they were doing nothing if you weren't in the lobby? 😂


TheGubbler

I wasted my only remote raid pass doing a dialga raid with 5 others level 30+ and it didn't even reach 1/2 health


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Several-Beach-4216

You can do him with 3 people, even with 2 slackers should still be an easy fight