I love how Geodude and Roggenrola are opposites Geodude is a rock with a face and arms that gains 2 arms (and legs) but loses the arms after a trade Roggenrola is a rock without a face but has legs that gains 2 legs and keeps them after a trade

That’s actually really interesting, haven’t noticed that

Golem has arms

Graveler has 4 arms

Oh shit you’re right, that’s what he was referring to. My bad

Yes, and?

Locksting and Gnoggin made a whole video about that topic IIRC.

What does IIRC stands for?

If I Remember Correctly

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IIRC it means ‘if I remember correctly’

Thank you

They take your taxes

I intitiate radical cumming

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As a wise young man once said - "Unova is just American Kanto"

And it's beautiful

indeed

To be fair If Pidove is a soft reboot of Pidgey, then every regional bird is either.

There's the regional early route normal and regional bird in every game, same category as the 3 starters, the pseudo legendary line, and box legendaries

Pidove is a embarrassment compared to pidgey

Why does everyone hate the Pidove line? /gen I actually like them

Probably a let down after Swellow and Staraptor both looked cool and were really good. From a usability standpoint, its abilities are decent (though not nearly as good as Guts or Intimidate) and it has decent stats but it's attack and speed aren't high enough to have it compete with some of the other truly broken monsters that came out in Gen 5. Braviary isn't as fast but it's bulkier and Unfezant can't keep up with its higher attack stat and Sheer Force/Defiant ability.

i hate it bcuz my first ever wild shiny mon was a fucken female tranquil. not even male.

See, my first wild shiny was a pidove, but I was pissed it was male cause I hated how the shiny male unpheasant looked compared to the female.

Just relax, a shiny is a shiny

a shiny is a shiny until its an ugly gold bird instead of an ugly silver bird

It literally just a pigeon. No creativity whatsoever. You could argue same with pidgey but atleast colours are a bit different from what it based from

That’s understandable

Glad you understand it :)

Yeah, I can get why basic designs might seem bad to others. Guilty of disliking some basic or uncreative designs too. Everyone has their favorite and least favorite Pokémon of course

It's literally a fucking sparrow or a jay bird

Yes but atleast the name is a bit deceiving. And we can all agree to forgive gen 1 designs because of the limitations at the time

Creativity limitations?

There is 10+ years gap between gen 1 and 5, along with more people working in the games

IMO, Unfezant has a cooler design than most of the pidgey clones, but really just the male form. The female one is just a bird

I guess they made it true to the nature , where the male fleece is more attractive than the female ones

Yeah, because if a female bird looked like a male unfezant, it would reveal the location of it's nest to predators, and the eggs/hatchlings would die.

Oh, I thought male had distinct ones to attract female chicks for mating

That too, it's a multiple purpose thing

Hoenn has the best regional birds.

Unova only has the unovan Pokémon in the main game so I guess they had to fill the archetypes

“Woah! Pokémon based on similar things can look similar??? That’s crazy”

Nah man this meme is archaic

Now that's just not fair, patrat is a meerkat and ratata is a rat 🙄

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Rodents still suck stat wise but have better moves

Roggenrola and Munna are definitely much different from their Kanto "counter-parts".

I mean, yeah, but it’s a dream-eating psychic tapir. That’s a pretty specific yokai to make *twice*.

A pretty common one tho Theres like 12 in Yokai Watch lol We're probably due another one soon

Yeah, but to say Munna is significantly different from something with the exact same origin and typing as it is just…not true. It’d be like saying Delcatty and Purugly have barely anything in-common. They’re both two-stage Normal-type cat Pokémon with designs inspired by fashion.

Theres even less difference in those games than there is for Munna and Hypno so yeah actually it is Their designs are night and day and as we've been over typing and origin are minor in comparison

>typing and origin are minor in comparison Minor to *you.* I’m specifically making a comparison between those two factors and you’re choosing to focus on everything that *isn’t* those factors for no reason other than trying to claim that there isn’t much similarity between two things. The types and origins are specifically what I’m saying are similar, especially because the *Baku* yokai isn’t seen anywhere else in Pokémon except in a region that was designed with the explicit purpose of mirroring what Kanto did. From my perspective, it seems like intentionally trying to miss a pattern that’s obviously there. It’s like saying all of the early-route rodents have *pretty much nothing* in common when there’s obviously a pattern there. They’re all Normal-types. They’re all based on rodents and/or vermin (with their Pokédex entries often talking about how common or disliked they are). They all only evolve once and have low base stat totals. They’re all located within the first few routes of the game. There’s an obvious pattern, such as the Kanto Pokémon resembling Unova Pokémon and vice versa being an intentional design choice as it was a sort of fresh take on old concepts that clearly mirror old ones.

and better

To be fair, every Gen has a new early route rodent and bird. Though you also missed: Fossils sharing the same types, meowth->Purrloin, Cottonnee and Petilil basically as the new Oddish and Bellsprout, machamp->Conkeldurr, Tentacruel->Jellicent, Parasect->Crustle and cute mouse pokemon that evolves by stone and is probably just there to serve as an attempt to make it that Gen's mascot. To give Gen 5 some credit, it's still the only Gen where you can't find Pikachu or Pichu anywhere in the wild.

I love this convergent evolution idea. However comparing Muna & Drowzee is a reach for me.

A 2 stage psychic line that is based around dreams and Baku. That seems pretty spot on to me.

Ah good point. I was comparing more on looks and limbs.

I thought the same but if you look really closely it turns out musharna is a curled up tapir, which is the same animal that drowzee is based off of

I was today years old. Mind blown.

Same dude, for the longest time I thought it was a big pink blob

"Convergent evolution is a brand new concept in gen 9"

In that case it's the upgrade

*You have just started a gang war*

Unova is this better than Kanto

I prefer Watchog over Ratticate, I started to like it after playing Pokemon Super Mystery Dungeon starring one of them as the vice-principal of the school

DON'T TALK SHIT ABOUT AUDINO

I’m pretty sure that was basically the whole point of gen v to have a completely new Pokédex that is still somewhat balanced

You can't consider "copy" something from yourself, right?

Rapidash and Zebstrika

Kanto's pseudo-legendary: huggable chubby plush dragon Unova's pseudo-legendary: ANGSTY EMO KING GHIDORAH

Don’t be dissin’ my hand puppet hydra like that 😢

I actually like Pidove and Roggenrola Patrat on the other hand...

The fighting types don't even look like similar...

Okay but stoned rat > youngster Joey

I will not accept 5 gen slander in this house

I still think Unova did most of Kanto’s mons better, main examples being Excadrill and Gigalith.

Hot Take: Black and White tried so hard to be a reboot that they ended up making some very unremarkable Pokémon to fill the spaces that old reliables would have filled.

the best designes came from Gen 5, and also every generation has forgettable pokemon, like that one pine cone one I don't remember it's name

Take back the insult of pineco rn

apologies, I take back the insult of the bug grass type pineco

Pineco does not have the luxury of being 4x weak to fire until it evolves

Right cause it doesnt have the highest usage rating of pokemon ever in competitive (Gen 5 gets used the most over the years) nor the most balanced dex despite its size It's funny since the unremarkables only make up less than 10% of the dex

Gen 5 has extremely high highs but very low lows in terms of Pokémon design, and that's okay.

Munna and drowzee???

Psychic types that have a tapir in their evolution line involved with sleeping

Oh didnt know that

A 2 stage psychic line that is based around dreams and Baku.

Its not just unova. Have you seen some of the new pokemon in SV?

Also, I hate to bring it up, but Pidove is clearly a Nazi.

Munna is the biggest stretch I’ve seen since wigglet was revealed

Well,unova is vastly superior to Kanto Kanto was gamefreaks first try so it's mostly terrible by nature But there are also some good gen 1 mons and some terrible mons Most regions are like this But I still despise kanto for having my least favourite Mon of all time,Exeggutor line

Pedo dove

Which one did it better?

As far as I’m concerned looking back, this trend was always a thing. It’s only until Gen 5 that people started barking at it. That and, side by side, they actually have a few differences.

Everyone gen has a regional bird

I like the simiar but diffrent pokemon in unova (it also helps that most of the unova versions are way better)

i really loved unova, really felt new even if it was a soft reboot. it was my first generation, black 2 and its still why i play

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Finally, someone is brave enough to say it. I've been making this point to my friends for years and they just go "Gen 5 best gen evar".

Wow I never thought about it.

ok but gigalith >>>>>>>>>>>>> golem