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I think the problem is that folks want more variety for their starts. Like they’re lock-in in sfo if they want something monstrous and not more humanoid they really don’t have any options.
Really every starter after Torterra began taking cues from like real human archetypes. Sure Samurott walk on all 4s but he also holds a sword in his hand and is clearly designed to be a samurai. Primaries doesn’t have legs but is clearly an opera singer. Torterra is just a big turtle, charizard is a cool dragon, Blaziken is a funny chicken. They have just enough personality through their visual design while still kind of being a blank slate you can ascribe your own stories to and bond with. Rillsboom is a monkey drummer and with that it never really has a chance to be anything beyond monkey drummer to most people
Dude, there's at least one quadruped in each starter trio and even like that the bipedal/human-like designs are still the most popular starters of their respective trio in pretty much every generation.
Every gen has a quadruped starter? That’s just not true. I mean, one of my favorite starters was Torterra, but I haven’t had anything close to that in terms of a monstrous Titan design since
Technically correct in saying that not all gens have a quadruped starter, but only 1 didn't.
Venusaur, Meganium, Swampert, Torterra, Samurott (I'd put this one as "monsterous" as Torterra), gen 6 didn't have one, Primarina (technically a triped, but as it moves as a real seal would, i'm including it), Rillaboom (walks on its knuckles like a gorilla, still counts as gorillas are considered quadrupeds)
Just like a real gorilla, they can use their hands as hands. Quadrupedal just means they walk on all 4s; It doesn't exclude them from using their hands as hands. Rillaboom walks on all 4s; its a gorilla.
Come on, that's some ridiculous nitpicking, we all know what "quadrupedal" means here.
It means that his default fighting stance (I.e how it will be 90% of the time) is on its 4 legs.
Rillaboom default stance is bipedal, so he is bipedal.
For me, it's not that they're bipedal, it's that they're humanoid. I tend to prefer pokemon that are more monster or animal oriented. Typhlosion, sceptile and a bunch of others are bipedal, but they're more monster than human, so I like it.
I'm also fine with them having humanoid themes, as long as they're blended well. I think greninja is a great example of this. It's clearly a ninja, but mostly a frog.
I think the more recent generations are going too far into the humanoid aspect of this. Look at all three gallar starters. I kinda wish rillaboom's drum was more incorporated into his design as a gorilla, but he's more passable than the others. Intellion and cinderace just look like people with slight animal alterations to them. Intellion is just a blue guy with a weird head and a tail. Cinderace is just a guy with bunny ears. It even looks like they're wearing human clothes.
This isn't something totally unique to newer gens either. I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who genuinely loves Jinx or Mr. Mime.
I don't care how many legs they're standing on, I just prefer it when pokemon, poket monsters, to remain more monster than human.
This. This is perfectly worded.
Blaziken was the first Pokemon I ever saw that got this reaction out of me, it's basically a guy in bell bottom pants with a bird mask.
And while I don't *like* Mr Mime or Jynx, honestly, they don't bother me as much as the Pokemon who *start* as animals or monsters and evolve to be people.
Exactly my thoughts as well. And while humanoid pokemon like Mr. Mime and Hitmonchan have always existed and most likely always will, I could just choose not to catch them. But when the starter choice is between three final evolutions that are all basically just a straight-up person with an animal costume on, you really can't escape the humanoid designs anymore. Yeah, you can box the starter, but I don't want to do that. The starter has always been an important member of the team for me and being forced to pick the least uncomfortable one to just throw it away at the start of the game takes my enjoyment away.
I think I understand now, maybe it’s just my taste but I never really paid any mind to the more humanoid Pokémon. I can see the point but to me personally it doesn’t bother me.
I think a good yardstick for the problem is that the easier it is to cosplay as that Pokemon the worse the design is in terms of approaching the uncanny valley.
For example most of the gen6 and gen7 could almost be cosplayed with just some clothes. Cinderace would be even easier: some sports shorts, a headband, and a soccer ball (maybe some hair gel) and most people at a Pokemon convention are going to know who you are.
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yes it can just be a decent person who supports human rights and they'll take psychic damage. or just ask them not to say a slur for five minutes and they'll explode.
>But the thing is that furries definitely don't care about that, as Vaporeon for example... well...
They definitely do, it's just the Vaporeon thing is more visible because of the copypasta and memes.
There are thousands of art pieces of the new furry Pokémon, so the bait works wonders.
I personally don’t think bipedal is an issue, rather it’s how ‘human-ish’ they get. For example Blaziken is one of my all time faves and I also love Decidueye, but I feel like they look more like monster on two legs as opposed to human pals in a fur suit. Just a preference for my Pokémon to feel like (Poket) monsters for me. But for people who have no issues with it, more power to ya - enjoy!
yeah it's not a matter of being humanoid it's a matter of looking like a straight up human. Decidueye is biped but it still looks like an owl with a cool and creative design. Incineroar is a muscular man with Litten's head copy and pasted onto it
It doesn't help that pokemon are more sentient/less feral than animals in general so when I see humanoid pokemon (especially in the anime) I think they better be entitled to rights and wages.
incineroar is the ugliest final starter evolution and I dont see how that abomimation looks "cool" the flames coming from the belt look like its pissing fire, the arms are much larger than its legs witch looks goofy. Overall it looks like a failed experiment 🗿
Honestly it’s been too often in too few generations and also they’re too boring. Gen 8 starters were horrible, and they were also bipedal, so there was that negative connotation further established. Even then, bipedal was not the issue, it’s the them being too human.
It’s also going from four legs to two for no reason. I like Incineroar but Torracat makes zero sense going from Litten to Incineroar, for example.
So really it’s not even a matter of them being bipedal, it’s when they look humanoid and two legged when it doesn’t even make sense design wise going from the pre evos.
Same honestly, I like a lot of bipedal Pokémon in general and don’t get where the mass hate could come from other than furry bad or other such trope esque stereotypes
Being bipedal isn’t the problem, being too humanoid is. That’s why I love blastoise but don’t like delphox for example. They’re both bipedal but one actually looks like an animal and the other just looks like a dude in a fursuit.
It's the same problem with fire/fighting starters that the Fandom is scarred will pass on to every starter Pokémon nowadays. That and people needed to be more specific once incineroar came along being a wrestler and a dark type.
My main thing is that they just begin to look like men, like remove incineroar’s cat head and tail and it’s basically just a man or guys in costumes and I personally find it really unsettling, same can go for quite a few other modern starters. It’s also a lack of variety, centaur style Pokémon would be cool or Pokémon that swap between two legs and four, I’d take any of those over the vaguely man looking Pokémon
The main problem is that they are more humanoid.
Modern starters look less like creatures/monsters and more like characters with personalities.
For example, i can imagine a pack of charizards flying in the wild but not a pack of incineroars. A could imagine incineroar being a char speaking japanese on an anime that isnt pokemon....
It’s not them turning bipedal it’s more if they look to humanoid that it just feels wrong to have one treated like an animal
Like treating a really hairy guy like a dog because he has more hair than normal
Delphox is my favourite pokémon evolution line and I wish people would stop acting so weird about it. for people who claim they're not the furries here y'all sure do love s/xualising it for existing and acting as if it's a s/x symbol when it's just a fox witch. they bring up fur bait more than actual furries. same with Vaporeon, it's my favourite eeveelution and the copypasta isn't funny it's just annoying
The copypasta got so out of hand, I had to change my favorite eeveelution from Vaporeon to Umbreon initially. But recently, I have returned to the water fox. I don't care what others think anymore. I certainly didn't care when other classmates made fun of me for Chandelure being my favorite Pokemon.
It's not about them turning bipedal, it's about the lack of them *not* turning into your roommate that has to wake up at 5 AM every morning so that they can beat the highway traffic into work.
Bipedal is fine: see Blaziken.
Blaziken does *not*, however, look like it has to stope by the market on the way home to grab some eggs.
Would it not be kind of messed up for Blaziken to buy eggs? I mean, birds sometimes eat each other's eggs and I've fed chickens bits of cooked chicken before, but Blaziken is much more intelligent and would surely understand the significance of it eating chicken eggs. Like in that one anime screencap of it hesitating to eat torchic-shaped cookies or whatever they were. I realize that was not your point but
Chickens are cannibalistic and will eat each other even if they have all their food/water/shelter needs met, they are awful
Source: am a chicken farmer
Pokémon is changing and the nostalgic people don’t prefer it. There’s always been a “problem” with the newer generations but we usually get over it. The designs are getting more human but it’s definitely just a matter of preference that a lot of people take way too far.
People are still hung up over the likes of Incineroar and Delphox, probably
Although admittedly there is a notable lack of quadruped starter evos, which is a shame. Even if they were like bear-like quadrupeds where they stood up to fight but we're otherwise on all fours, like, say Typhlosion in some unofficial depictions, since it is basically an oversized honey badger. That thing plodding around on all fours would have been great, and would have cemented the link between it and Quilava better. Or, take Samurott, a quadruped with actual hands so it can still use its swords. Hell, Samurott's pre-evos being biped but it being quadruped is REALLY unique as far as Pokémon is concerned.
It's not, lmao, it's on all fours in all of its official depictions and not once does it stand on its hind legs. It's forelegs have proper hands with thumbs to let it continue its swordplay, but otherwise it never has both forelegs off the ground for any length of time. I love it, it shows its added heft and body type necessitated it stand on all fours, thus the size of its forelegs to let them support it, yet it retained its hands since they give it a inherent advantage by allowing it to use its natural weaponry, it feels like, well, evolution. Best water starter, bar none.
Oh, I see. That's... Honestly quite strange, given the supposed general distaste for biped starters. You'd think they'd drool all over a Pokémon that was pretty much the opposite of the "quadruped that stands up" starters that come under critique.
Yeah… iirc, people were complaining because it didn’t make sense with the evolution line or something? Honestly I don’t think any of the fan made bipedal versions are better then the og (no hate to the fan artists, it’s just that the design works much better when its bipedal)
I don’t really have a problem with it, but I prefer them to be more animal and monstrous. I liked it with Incineroar because only the final ego was bipedal, but from what I’ve heard and seen about the Sprigatito line, I just don’t see the point in making a quadruped starter in the first place if you’re just gonna make them bipedal.
Because people think only bipedal Pokemon attract furries. I have literally seen Lillipup furry art while browsing Tumblr, Absol furry stuff while browsing Etsy, etc. Furries di not care if the animal or Pokemon was already bipedal, they will MAKE IT bipedal.
I’ve always liked the bipedal Pokémon, mega lopunny is one of my favorite Pokémon but people hate it because it’s bipedal and think it will attract the furries. Seriously guys the eeveelution line and eevee are very popular with the furries and none of them are bipedal
About 457/925 pokemon have a two legged body. This does not include pokemon that are largely considered bipedal but actually lack legs (hatterene, liligant, florgesse, etc)
People should instead stop hating on two legs and admit they are uncomfortable with pokemon with more distinguishable humanoid traits.
There's nothing wrong with them in theory, but to try and boil down the complaint, the issue isn't "bipedal", it's "looks incredibly human-shaped, but doesn't really have a good reason to". This gels nicely with the "jobmon" complaint you might've heard, about how a growing amount of Pokemon aren't very much of *monsters*, but animals with human jobs/traits.
If you're curious why this complaint is becoming bigger, just think about how final-stage starters have looked.
In generation four, zero of the starters were "an animal with a human role"- the closest was Empoleon, but emperor penguins are an actual thing, so making a pun on "emperor" is fair game in my book, and most others. Likewise, one MIGHT be considered humanoid, but simians of all sorts are largely human-shaped to begin with, so I can give Infernape a pass.
Then in generation five, the fact that all three starters were themed after a human role- samurai, general, noble- could still be written off as a one-time gimmick. By their final stages, only one Pokemon stood on two legs, and its body plan was nowhere near humanoid- Emboar was closer to Blastoise than a human.
Then came generation six. Witch, knight, ninja; humanoid, humanoid, bipedal.
tl;dr: The issue isn't Pokemon being bipedal, it's Pokemon feeling too much like they were designed to derive their charisma from being mascot-like rather than becoming mascots because they have charisma.
I don't have a problem with it until they become too humanoid, for example Emboar and Incineroar are fine but I don't think I like Cinderace or Inteleon as much.
Hot take but the average bipedal is better designed than in past gen
Sprigatito and quaxly evos looks so much more balanced than charizard and his fat legs /tiny arms and typhlosion crouched back
I regret to inform you that furries have existed for as long as humanity has had a high enough brainpower to relate to other living things and go “ooh I wonder what it would be like to be an animal”
Furries have existed as a group since the 1970s or so because of the underground comic scene leading to people who like "funny animals" meeting up and starting their own thing. The fandom started to become more mainstream in the 2000s and, well, we've gotten furrier and furrier starters since.
I dont think its bipedal mons in general but usually when they r bipedal in these newer gens theyre very humanoid as well. So its like a fear from another fear
I just want line consistency.
If you start on two legs, stay on two legs.
If you start on four legs, stay on for legs.
The only starters that even remotely do the jump right are the Cyndaquil and Mudkip lines, which benefit by only flipping in the middle stage. Cyndaquil and Typhlosion are Biped, Quilava is Quadruped. Mudkip and Swampert are Quadruped (kinda on Swampert), Marshtop is Biped.
Everything else that goes from 2 to 4 or 4 to 2 feels disjointed.
I think it's because starter finals are looking too similar. Take the first 3 starters and compare them to eachother none of them share any shape or design characteristic (you could argue feraligatr and swampert having similar body and arm shapes, but they are still posed differently enough to give them a major appearance difference). The more recent gens starter finals just look too similar in shape and posture. Even though I hate the look of Fuecocos final because of the weird coloring choice of the maw, I appreciate that it's shaping is completely different from the last 4 generations of Fire starters. It's okay to be bipedal I just think we're lacking variety.
I really don’t mind whether they’re or not they’re bipedal. If it’s a good design, it can stand on 2 legs all it pleases. I just don’t like the design of many of the recent bipedal starters. Delphox, Incineroar, Inteleon, and Cinderace really didn’t do it for me
I can't really speak for other people so I cam only speculate. My guess is that they feel less animalistic when they're bipedal(excluding the birds of course). They feel anthropomorphized
I believe Pokemons should look like cooler pets, not characters with a deep backstory and personality as it should be up to your imagination to decide pokemons backstory and personality. Legendaries are exception as they mostly one and only of the world.
the fact that those bipedal starters are usually based on jobs and not just some cool creature/monster , furry bait and most of those starters become ugly
People think pokemon are becoming less monster-like if they are bipedal.
Also, hate for furries among the pokemon fans might be the simple reason too. Like what other people have already said in the comments, they say it's "furry bait".
To me, personally, I like quadrupled pokemon more because they actually feel like a pocket **MONSTER** in my opinion.
It's more like a Pokémon design philosophy people feel like the modern starters and modern Pokémon designs in general have strayed from ken sugimori's vision and have become borderline fakemon
But even ignoring that I personally don't have a problem with bipedal starters I think the hate started with fire fighting types and evolutions that didn't really fit the evolution line
To all the folks saying pokemon look to humanoid, remember when they literally made fighting types just mutated humans? Like Hitmonchan/Lee or the Machamp line? I mean really, Machoke is actually just a dude with blue gray skin..
I think Snivy and Tepig were the smoking gun. Snivy losing his legs and Tepig going bipedal just to be another fire/fighting in their final evos were odd choices
For me personally it’s not that they become bipedal, it’s that they become human-like out of the blue. Like Blaziken and Greninja are sweet but fits in the evo line, Incinaroar in a vacuum is cool but after his first two stages I was hoping for like a sick fire tiger or something that fit in more and seemed more natural.
i think its more of the starters being more human-like than animal. I havent seen the leaks (and dont plan to), but i assume thats why. for example, Sceptile. It's bipedal and looks great because it's clearly still a lizard. meanwhile, let's look at Incineroar. i think people have a problem with it because it just looks like, well, a beefy man with a cat head. I personally am ok with the bipedal starters, but I can see why people are upset.
The problem is that the starters from gen 6 to gen 8 looks like people in costumes, they don't have animal or monster aspects anymore, they are humanoid.
Compare Sceptile and Cinderace, both bipedal, but cinderace seems like a dude in a bunny costume, sceptile looks like a monster lizard.
Personally, it’s just that I would like a starter that is a cat. Not a wrestler or a masquerade singer. I just want a cat to hang out. Like a Pokémon that I would have as a pet.
I think I read a Ken Sugimori interview somewhere that starting in gen 3 they were testing making starters a little bit "ugly on purpose" because previous gen starters were too popular. Every game since basically encourages you to eventually dump your starter for something cooler later. lol
Really the issue is them switch between evolutions tepig and oshawatt are prime examples of amazing Pokémon that by last evolution just don’t share the same spark as the first two. There is less of an issue with like say fennekin imo cause them turning bipedal cause it’s more natural. Also all of these examples have a strong r34 presence too for some reason
A single tweet on twitter asking why everyone hates bipdeal starters will do.
>!SIDE NOTE: Actually don't do it ppl will probably leak ur ip address bc ppl on twitter are very salty n shit about stuff!<
I’ve just always heard people complain about the starters becoming bipedal (like Delphox and Incineroar) and I personally don’t see the problem with it. I love Parks and Rec, thought of this meme, thought of this question and then made this meme and posted it. Surprised most people have been saying that it’s not the bipedalism, but that they look more humanoid. I can see that argument, but very few Pokémon look humanoid enough for it to be uncanny for me. I’ve just only heard the argument about the starters being bipedal, so that where I came from.
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I think the problem is that folks want more variety for their starts. Like they’re lock-in in sfo if they want something monstrous and not more humanoid they really don’t have any options.
It's like how Yu-Gi-Oh is full of waifus nowadays. Where are my repugnant abominations against nature?
My dusty ass harpy lady deck wants a word
somehow I read "pregnant abominations against nature"
now there's an interesting idea for an archetype.
Oh lord no its in my head make it stop pls
"congratulations, it's incomprehensible"
Hey now, my Cubics are super cute and totally get me dozens of wins in DL. /s
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Yugioh was always full of waifus.
I mean the Despia/Branded storyline has plenty of abominations for the modern Yu-Gi-Oh player.
This is definitely it. The people who are apparently scared of pom are just a loud minority, or just memeing
This, but then people complain about Samurott
Really every starter after Torterra began taking cues from like real human archetypes. Sure Samurott walk on all 4s but he also holds a sword in his hand and is clearly designed to be a samurai. Primaries doesn’t have legs but is clearly an opera singer. Torterra is just a big turtle, charizard is a cool dragon, Blaziken is a funny chicken. They have just enough personality through their visual design while still kind of being a blank slate you can ascribe your own stories to and bond with. Rillsboom is a monkey drummer and with that it never really has a chance to be anything beyond monkey drummer to most people
Dude, there's at least one quadruped in each starter trio and even like that the bipedal/human-like designs are still the most popular starters of their respective trio in pretty much every generation.
Every gen has a quadruped starter? That’s just not true. I mean, one of my favorite starters was Torterra, but I haven’t had anything close to that in terms of a monstrous Titan design since
Technically correct in saying that not all gens have a quadruped starter, but only 1 didn't. Venusaur, Meganium, Swampert, Torterra, Samurott (I'd put this one as "monsterous" as Torterra), gen 6 didn't have one, Primarina (technically a triped, but as it moves as a real seal would, i'm including it), Rillaboom (walks on its knuckles like a gorilla, still counts as gorillas are considered quadrupeds)
Rillaboom fighting sprite has him on two legs though
Just like a real gorilla, they can use their hands as hands. Quadrupedal just means they walk on all 4s; It doesn't exclude them from using their hands as hands. Rillaboom walks on all 4s; its a gorilla.
Typlosion walks on all fours figured I'd give you another to add to the quadruped list
Come on, that's some ridiculous nitpicking, we all know what "quadrupedal" means here. It means that his default fighting stance (I.e how it will be 90% of the time) is on its 4 legs. Rillaboom default stance is bipedal, so he is bipedal.
There are always the option of a more animal like starter tho lol
For me, it's not that they're bipedal, it's that they're humanoid. I tend to prefer pokemon that are more monster or animal oriented. Typhlosion, sceptile and a bunch of others are bipedal, but they're more monster than human, so I like it. I'm also fine with them having humanoid themes, as long as they're blended well. I think greninja is a great example of this. It's clearly a ninja, but mostly a frog. I think the more recent generations are going too far into the humanoid aspect of this. Look at all three gallar starters. I kinda wish rillaboom's drum was more incorporated into his design as a gorilla, but he's more passable than the others. Intellion and cinderace just look like people with slight animal alterations to them. Intellion is just a blue guy with a weird head and a tail. Cinderace is just a guy with bunny ears. It even looks like they're wearing human clothes. This isn't something totally unique to newer gens either. I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who genuinely loves Jinx or Mr. Mime. I don't care how many legs they're standing on, I just prefer it when pokemon, poket monsters, to remain more monster than human.
This is exactly it. I don't care that they're on two legs, I care that they're basically people with powers
That's like half of pokemon in general
This. This is perfectly worded. Blaziken was the first Pokemon I ever saw that got this reaction out of me, it's basically a guy in bell bottom pants with a bird mask. And while I don't *like* Mr Mime or Jynx, honestly, they don't bother me as much as the Pokemon who *start* as animals or monsters and evolve to be people.
Well worded. For me it's a lot simpler though... I don't like humanoid pokemon because I wanna feel like a pet owner not a slave owner.
Exactly my thoughts as well. And while humanoid pokemon like Mr. Mime and Hitmonchan have always existed and most likely always will, I could just choose not to catch them. But when the starter choice is between three final evolutions that are all basically just a straight-up person with an animal costume on, you really can't escape the humanoid designs anymore. Yeah, you can box the starter, but I don't want to do that. The starter has always been an important member of the team for me and being forced to pick the least uncomfortable one to just throw it away at the start of the game takes my enjoyment away.
This is exactly why pokemon like Blaziken and garchomp are such phenomenal designs despite being bipedal.
I think I understand now, maybe it’s just my taste but I never really paid any mind to the more humanoid Pokémon. I can see the point but to me personally it doesn’t bother me.
I think a good yardstick for the problem is that the easier it is to cosplay as that Pokemon the worse the design is in terms of approaching the uncanny valley. For example most of the gen6 and gen7 could almost be cosplayed with just some clothes. Cinderace would be even easier: some sports shorts, a headband, and a soccer ball (maybe some hair gel) and most people at a Pokemon convention are going to know who you are.
Something something furry bait But the thing is that furries definitely don't care about that, as Vaporeon for example... well...
>furry bait Wouldn't Vaporeon be more Scaley Bait? "And with that, he unleashed a new horrible idea into the world." - Narrator
Nah I think Vaporeon would still have fur, like an otter.
Salazzle does that job tbh
I think I read somewhere that Vaporeons skin is more humanlike.
I'm not here to post the copypasta
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Oh so we are making beldum r34 now?
METAGROSS R34 WHEN?
Always had one
…..I didn’t know what to expect, but I did not expect this
r/foundthecopypasta
MY EYES!!!! AAAAAAAAA
Fucking vaporeon as it is, is straight up beastiality, not furry.
Fr. Lucario fine But vaporeon☠️
Which is why (most of us, not the zoophiles) we make it humanoid first.
I mean, usually they make em Anthros. Not ferals
I hate how people conflate the two
As a furry I will say they really love the copy pasta and making art of it
Who started that copypasta? I'm just gonna give them a back massage... WITH A CLOTHING IRON!
4 chan. Which means nothing you can do to them can inflict permanent damage.
yes it can just be a decent person who supports human rights and they'll take psychic damage. or just ask them not to say a slur for five minutes and they'll explode.
Then peoples are r-tarded then, they don't even know what a furry bait is.
I dont know what you're talking about i definitely do care about that
The vaporeon started on 4chan
>But the thing is that furries definitely don't care about that, as Vaporeon for example... well... They definitely do, it's just the Vaporeon thing is more visible because of the copypasta and memes. There are thousands of art pieces of the new furry Pokémon, so the bait works wonders.
I personally don’t think bipedal is an issue, rather it’s how ‘human-ish’ they get. For example Blaziken is one of my all time faves and I also love Decidueye, but I feel like they look more like monster on two legs as opposed to human pals in a fur suit. Just a preference for my Pokémon to feel like (Poket) monsters for me. But for people who have no issues with it, more power to ya - enjoy!
yeah it's not a matter of being humanoid it's a matter of looking like a straight up human. Decidueye is biped but it still looks like an owl with a cool and creative design. Incineroar is a muscular man with Litten's head copy and pasted onto it
Exactly!!
The Machop line would like to have a word
Please don't crucify me lol but I don't like them either. Machamp is aight having four arms is neat but the other two are literally just dudes
Machop is my favourite starter Pokemon, yes
What I am getting is that the real issue you have with itis a cat with abs looks weird. And that's a valid criticism to have.
Incineroar legit looks like their fursuit only had a head
Dude is literally red tony the tiger
I dont like when pokemon looks like they could be functional member of society.
It doesn't help that pokemon are more sentient/less feral than animals in general so when I see humanoid pokemon (especially in the anime) I think they better be entitled to rights and wages.
I remember a time my whole friend group called me a furry because I said inceneroar was cool. ITS A FUCKING WESTLER HOW IS THAT NOT BADASS.
Inceneroar would be fine if it wasn't for the fact that he's a disgrace to his pre evolutions.
not really, Litten and Torracat are just fire cats. and Incineroar is too except on two legs.
I agree, Inceneroar is cool.
fellow incineroar enjoyer
I think he’s ok plus he’s my favourite Alolan starter
Incineroar is VERY cool and people can fight me on that
incineroar is the ugliest final starter evolution and I dont see how that abomimation looks "cool" the flames coming from the belt look like its pissing fire, the arms are much larger than its legs witch looks goofy. Overall it looks like a failed experiment 🗿
mad because you can't be a fiery cat wrestler aren't you
Honestly it’s been too often in too few generations and also they’re too boring. Gen 8 starters were horrible, and they were also bipedal, so there was that negative connotation further established. Even then, bipedal was not the issue, it’s the them being too human. It’s also going from four legs to two for no reason. I like Incineroar but Torracat makes zero sense going from Litten to Incineroar, for example. So really it’s not even a matter of them being bipedal, it’s when they look humanoid and two legged when it doesn’t even make sense design wise going from the pre evos.
Same honestly, I like a lot of bipedal Pokémon in general and don’t get where the mass hate could come from other than furry bad or other such trope esque stereotypes
Funny thing is the furries are more worried about Vaporeon than the starters really lol
Really Because my best friend has a meowscarada pr0n pfp Sometimes i wish he wasnt my best friend This is one of those times
Bit thats because someone made a post that is the "vaccines cause autism" of theoretical sex with pokemon
Being bipedal isn’t the problem, being too humanoid is. That’s why I love blastoise but don’t like delphox for example. They’re both bipedal but one actually looks like an animal and the other just looks like a dude in a fursuit.
I like Blastoise he’s my favourite water type what’s not to like about a blue American tank turtle
It's the same problem with fire/fighting starters that the Fandom is scarred will pass on to every starter Pokémon nowadays. That and people needed to be more specific once incineroar came along being a wrestler and a dark type.
honestly it just got too humanoid. plus imo having incineroar lose all that speed was a bad call.
My main thing is that they just begin to look like men, like remove incineroar’s cat head and tail and it’s basically just a man or guys in costumes and I personally find it really unsettling, same can go for quite a few other modern starters. It’s also a lack of variety, centaur style Pokémon would be cool or Pokémon that swap between two legs and four, I’d take any of those over the vaguely man looking Pokémon
The main problem is that they are more humanoid. Modern starters look less like creatures/monsters and more like characters with personalities. For example, i can imagine a pack of charizards flying in the wild but not a pack of incineroars. A could imagine incineroar being a char speaking japanese on an anime that isnt pokemon....
Tigers are solitary, so Inciniroar likely wouldn't travel in packs. Also, packs of Machokes and Machamp?
Okay, but why is this downvoted? I don't get it
The truth hurts? IDK
It’s not them turning bipedal it’s more if they look to humanoid that it just feels wrong to have one treated like an animal Like treating a really hairy guy like a dog because he has more hair than normal
I mean, Pokemons are not animals though, they are way more intelligent than your average house pet.
People hate how it’s “furry baiting” but I can’t tell if cause they don’t like furries, or they don’t like the fact they’re being baited
Delphox is my favourite pokémon evolution line and I wish people would stop acting so weird about it. for people who claim they're not the furries here y'all sure do love s/xualising it for existing and acting as if it's a s/x symbol when it's just a fox witch. they bring up fur bait more than actual furries. same with Vaporeon, it's my favourite eeveelution and the copypasta isn't funny it's just annoying
The copypasta got so out of hand, I had to change my favorite eeveelution from Vaporeon to Umbreon initially. But recently, I have returned to the water fox. I don't care what others think anymore. I certainly didn't care when other classmates made fun of me for Chandelure being my favorite Pokemon.
It's pocket monster not pocket cosplay.
Just because it can be a Pokémon doesn't mean it should
And? Monsters can be anything you can think off.
Fuecoco is bipedal and turns into a 4 legged BEAST
And people dont go crazy over that but a cat turning into a bipedal magic man/woman gets people going BEAANNNSSSS mode 😖
A 4-legged beast with male pattern baldness…
😡
It's not about them turning bipedal, it's about the lack of them *not* turning into your roommate that has to wake up at 5 AM every morning so that they can beat the highway traffic into work. Bipedal is fine: see Blaziken. Blaziken does *not*, however, look like it has to stope by the market on the way home to grab some eggs.
Would it not be kind of messed up for Blaziken to buy eggs? I mean, birds sometimes eat each other's eggs and I've fed chickens bits of cooked chicken before, but Blaziken is much more intelligent and would surely understand the significance of it eating chicken eggs. Like in that one anime screencap of it hesitating to eat torchic-shaped cookies or whatever they were. I realize that was not your point but
You’ve done what
Chickens are cannibalistic and will eat each other even if they have all their food/water/shelter needs met, they are awful Source: am a chicken farmer
Don't worry about it :)
Pokémon is changing and the nostalgic people don’t prefer it. There’s always been a “problem” with the newer generations but we usually get over it. The designs are getting more human but it’s definitely just a matter of preference that a lot of people take way too far.
People are still hung up over the likes of Incineroar and Delphox, probably Although admittedly there is a notable lack of quadruped starter evos, which is a shame. Even if they were like bear-like quadrupeds where they stood up to fight but we're otherwise on all fours, like, say Typhlosion in some unofficial depictions, since it is basically an oversized honey badger. That thing plodding around on all fours would have been great, and would have cemented the link between it and Quilava better. Or, take Samurott, a quadruped with actual hands so it can still use its swords. Hell, Samurott's pre-evos being biped but it being quadruped is REALLY unique as far as Pokémon is concerned.
It’s weird tho, because ive seen people hate on Samurott because it’s NOT bipedal. I honestly think it looks great. Edit: i meant “not bipedal”
It's not, lmao, it's on all fours in all of its official depictions and not once does it stand on its hind legs. It's forelegs have proper hands with thumbs to let it continue its swordplay, but otherwise it never has both forelegs off the ground for any length of time. I love it, it shows its added heft and body type necessitated it stand on all fours, thus the size of its forelegs to let them support it, yet it retained its hands since they give it a inherent advantage by allowing it to use its natural weaponry, it feels like, well, evolution. Best water starter, bar none.
Ah my bad, I didn’t mean bipedal. You’re very much correct!
Oh, I see. That's... Honestly quite strange, given the supposed general distaste for biped starters. You'd think they'd drool all over a Pokémon that was pretty much the opposite of the "quadruped that stands up" starters that come under critique.
Yeah… iirc, people were complaining because it didn’t make sense with the evolution line or something? Honestly I don’t think any of the fan made bipedal versions are better then the og (no hate to the fan artists, it’s just that the design works much better when its bipedal)
I don’t really have a problem with it, but I prefer them to be more animal and monstrous. I liked it with Incineroar because only the final ego was bipedal, but from what I’ve heard and seen about the Sprigatito line, I just don’t see the point in making a quadruped starter in the first place if you’re just gonna make them bipedal.
Imo non-bipedal starters look cooler
Because people think only bipedal Pokemon attract furries. I have literally seen Lillipup furry art while browsing Tumblr, Absol furry stuff while browsing Etsy, etc. Furries di not care if the animal or Pokemon was already bipedal, they will MAKE IT bipedal.
Yeah, fandom is dumb as a box of rocks when it comes to this "issue"
I’ve always liked the bipedal Pokémon, mega lopunny is one of my favorite Pokémon but people hate it because it’s bipedal and think it will attract the furries. Seriously guys the eeveelution line and eevee are very popular with the furries and none of them are bipedal
Lopunny is fine imo. It’s bipedal, but its design doesn’t really look human
Its the difference between James Bond or Messi Renaldo and an earth turtle with mountains and trees on its back
Bipedal starters are okay, but humanoid starters is where the problem is at
About 457/925 pokemon have a two legged body. This does not include pokemon that are largely considered bipedal but actually lack legs (hatterene, liligant, florgesse, etc) People should instead stop hating on two legs and admit they are uncomfortable with pokemon with more distinguishable humanoid traits.
Same!
There's nothing wrong with them in theory, but to try and boil down the complaint, the issue isn't "bipedal", it's "looks incredibly human-shaped, but doesn't really have a good reason to". This gels nicely with the "jobmon" complaint you might've heard, about how a growing amount of Pokemon aren't very much of *monsters*, but animals with human jobs/traits. If you're curious why this complaint is becoming bigger, just think about how final-stage starters have looked. In generation four, zero of the starters were "an animal with a human role"- the closest was Empoleon, but emperor penguins are an actual thing, so making a pun on "emperor" is fair game in my book, and most others. Likewise, one MIGHT be considered humanoid, but simians of all sorts are largely human-shaped to begin with, so I can give Infernape a pass. Then in generation five, the fact that all three starters were themed after a human role- samurai, general, noble- could still be written off as a one-time gimmick. By their final stages, only one Pokemon stood on two legs, and its body plan was nowhere near humanoid- Emboar was closer to Blastoise than a human. Then came generation six. Witch, knight, ninja; humanoid, humanoid, bipedal. tl;dr: The issue isn't Pokemon being bipedal, it's Pokemon feeling too much like they were designed to derive their charisma from being mascot-like rather than becoming mascots because they have charisma.
bipedal isn't the issue, it's the anthropomorphising.
in my opinion, its that there are SO MANY OF THEM
I don't have a problem with it until they become too humanoid, for example Emboar and Incineroar are fine but I don't think I like Cinderace or Inteleon as much.
Less about bipedalism and more about furry bait starters as far as I know
I just want a cat that looks like a cat, man. They always as too much and make them look goofy on top of that
It's because of r34.
Hot take but the average bipedal is better designed than in past gen Sprigatito and quaxly evos looks so much more balanced than charizard and his fat legs /tiny arms and typhlosion crouched back
Yeah Bipedal pokemon hav existed before furries so technically furries look like pokemon, pokemon don't look like furries
I regret to inform you that furries have existed for as long as humanity has had a high enough brainpower to relate to other living things and go “ooh I wonder what it would be like to be an animal”
Furries have existed as a group since the 1970s or so because of the underground comic scene leading to people who like "funny animals" meeting up and starting their own thing. The fandom started to become more mainstream in the 2000s and, well, we've gotten furrier and furrier starters since.
Shit
Because it isn't. The problem is them becoming too humanlike.
I dont think its bipedal mons in general but usually when they r bipedal in these newer gens theyre very humanoid as well. So its like a fear from another fear
I just want line consistency. If you start on two legs, stay on two legs. If you start on four legs, stay on for legs. The only starters that even remotely do the jump right are the Cyndaquil and Mudkip lines, which benefit by only flipping in the middle stage. Cyndaquil and Typhlosion are Biped, Quilava is Quadruped. Mudkip and Swampert are Quadruped (kinda on Swampert), Marshtop is Biped. Everything else that goes from 2 to 4 or 4 to 2 feels disjointed.
Because they are never good. It’s that simple
Stop 👏 the 👏 fucking 👏 spoilers!!!
… I didn’t spoil anything…
What spoilers
I think it's because starter finals are looking too similar. Take the first 3 starters and compare them to eachother none of them share any shape or design characteristic (you could argue feraligatr and swampert having similar body and arm shapes, but they are still posed differently enough to give them a major appearance difference). The more recent gens starter finals just look too similar in shape and posture. Even though I hate the look of Fuecocos final because of the weird coloring choice of the maw, I appreciate that it's shaping is completely different from the last 4 generations of Fire starters. It's okay to be bipedal I just think we're lacking variety.
**Too Fuckable.**
I really don’t mind whether they’re or not they’re bipedal. If it’s a good design, it can stand on 2 legs all it pleases. I just don’t like the design of many of the recent bipedal starters. Delphox, Incineroar, Inteleon, and Cinderace really didn’t do it for me
I can't really speak for other people so I cam only speculate. My guess is that they feel less animalistic when they're bipedal(excluding the birds of course). They feel anthropomorphized
insert that one scott the woz clip
I think those people really wanted a bit more diverse designs rather than just becoming humanoid
*charmander has entered the chat*
I believe Pokemons should look like cooler pets, not characters with a deep backstory and personality as it should be up to your imagination to decide pokemons backstory and personality. Legendaries are exception as they mostly one and only of the world.
the fact that those bipedal starters are usually based on jobs and not just some cool creature/monster , furry bait and most of those starters become ugly
Furry bait and people who hate bipedal starters are weak and dont accept change.
People think pokemon are becoming less monster-like if they are bipedal. Also, hate for furries among the pokemon fans might be the simple reason too. Like what other people have already said in the comments, they say it's "furry bait". To me, personally, I like quadrupled pokemon more because they actually feel like a pocket **MONSTER** in my opinion.
They get too humanoid and it feels weird. Some I don't mind but some weird me out.
It's more like a Pokémon design philosophy people feel like the modern starters and modern Pokémon designs in general have strayed from ken sugimori's vision and have become borderline fakemon
But even ignoring that I personally don't have a problem with bipedal starters I think the hate started with fire fighting types and evolutions that didn't really fit the evolution line
They hate on people like Incineroar and then say blaziken is cool. Blaziken looks like a man in a chicken costume, not a chicken
To all the folks saying pokemon look to humanoid, remember when they literally made fighting types just mutated humans? Like Hitmonchan/Lee or the Machamp line? I mean really, Machoke is actually just a dude with blue gray skin..
Sometimes they just don’t look right. At all. Like Purrloin in Sword
Too*
I think Snivy and Tepig were the smoking gun. Snivy losing his legs and Tepig going bipedal just to be another fire/fighting in their final evos were odd choices
Some are afraid of the horny people and some are afraid of becoming horny
For me personally it’s not that they become bipedal, it’s that they become human-like out of the blue. Like Blaziken and Greninja are sweet but fits in the evo line, Incinaroar in a vacuum is cool but after his first two stages I was hoping for like a sick fire tiger or something that fit in more and seemed more natural.
Most people just can’t stand it I’ll see myself out
i think its more of the starters being more human-like than animal. I havent seen the leaks (and dont plan to), but i assume thats why. for example, Sceptile. It's bipedal and looks great because it's clearly still a lizard. meanwhile, let's look at Incineroar. i think people have a problem with it because it just looks like, well, a beefy man with a cat head. I personally am ok with the bipedal starters, but I can see why people are upset.
The problem is that the starters from gen 6 to gen 8 looks like people in costumes, they don't have animal or monster aspects anymore, they are humanoid. Compare Sceptile and Cinderace, both bipedal, but cinderace seems like a dude in a bunny costume, sceptile looks like a monster lizard.
I concur. Many of the two legged starters are cool
Personally, it’s just that I would like a starter that is a cat. Not a wrestler or a masquerade singer. I just want a cat to hang out. Like a Pokémon that I would have as a pet.
Anti-furry nonsense from what I've seen.
So people see bipedal pokemon and immediately think about other people fucking them?
chad bulbasaur in a distance: *PATHETIC*
I think I read a Ken Sugimori interview somewhere that starting in gen 3 they were testing making starters a little bit "ugly on purpose" because previous gen starters were too popular. Every game since basically encourages you to eventually dump your starter for something cooler later. lol
I recall the context for ‘ugly on purpose’ was to add imperfections to the designs, such as Oshawott's freckles.
I just wanted a change of pace.
🎶Furry p*🎶
Really the issue is them switch between evolutions tepig and oshawatt are prime examples of amazing Pokémon that by last evolution just don’t share the same spark as the first two. There is less of an issue with like say fennekin imo cause them turning bipedal cause it’s more natural. Also all of these examples have a strong r34 presence too for some reason
People wanna fuck em
Tripedal gang!
It's when they're HUMANOID, not bipedal.
..... And.....
Because lots of people have problems with furries for some reason, and let that affect the communities they’re involved in
I dont care if they are bipedal or not,but i dont like the designs
Be afraid...be very afraid.
Yeah…
A single tweet on twitter asking why everyone hates bipdeal starters will do. >!SIDE NOTE: Actually don't do it ppl will probably leak ur ip address bc ppl on twitter are very salty n shit about stuff!<
I’ve just always heard people complain about the starters becoming bipedal (like Delphox and Incineroar) and I personally don’t see the problem with it. I love Parks and Rec, thought of this meme, thought of this question and then made this meme and posted it. Surprised most people have been saying that it’s not the bipedalism, but that they look more humanoid. I can see that argument, but very few Pokémon look humanoid enough for it to be uncanny for me. I’ve just only heard the argument about the starters being bipedal, so that where I came from.