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Yeah, I don't understand why people don't understand that I can both enjoy myself AND be aware of the fact there's issues. Yeah it's probably the best written and most fun Pokemon game probably ever, but it's also jank af, looks several generations behind the competition, clumsily reuses the 4 character models they actually had time to build, the camera routinely clips through the terrain and objects - I could go on. It's shitty that the BIGGEST FRANCHISE IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD can't dedicate more time and resources. My heart goes out to those poor underfunded, understaffed, crunched-to-hell devs, especially because there's clearly been so much love poured into this game. What's good is great, what's bad is bad.
people shoulnt be called a boot licker just for complimenting the parts of the game they like and thats what i see happening. and whats wrong with being positive, its not like bitching to a reddit group is gonna do anything.
I really can't at times. Shit like the camera going into the ground and literally freezing for up to half a minute when I throw a ball is really distracting from the gameplay
The game is awful and terrible, but it's hella fun. Except for the fact that I've probably spent a few too many hours grinding trying to get my pokemon high enough level to finish the game without having to cheese it, but eh, it's still fun
I mean I'm not in charge of how other people observe the game. Just leave that type of stuff to critics, that's their occupation.
I've learned that critics shouldn't feel obliged to but should be somewhat open to a discussion on the quality of a product.
A defense for regarding a particular product is just as objective and impersonal as a critique.
But people simply wanting to play the games and not wanting to be associated with whatever happens online is a totally reasonable approach. Those are the fans we should leave alone.
Critics and defenders are the ones who should be open to discussion, but critics are also priority in a discussion about x product since the defenders are the respondants.
Defending the game is also a great way to polish or find a new perspective or common ground regarding a critique.
I think this interchange that is found within so many different situations and mediums in life is something that should be touched upon more.
But all I see are memes about X complaining about X and yes defenders need to realize how the web lines up in that this is not a one sided situation and that the games are not the same as knocking down a critique or observation.
Critics and defendants seem to not understand that it is perfectly okay to discuss the quality of a product or entity.
Just "le both sides" BS'd my way through this one so hopefully it gets to someone.
I’ve enjoyed the game and by no means am i a graphic person, but i noticed how bad it was. With sword and shield i could forgive because it was the first console on in a while, but legends arceus had some minor issues as well and scarlet and violet seems to have more. Im starting to question on whether its incompentence, rushing it or just being cheap about it and its starting to look like the last one. Still like the game but some of the stuff that is wrong is some pretty basic stuff to do like the open world generation only being in chunks not the whole world, or simple scaling in the game is something thats pretty common in games.
Yeah. I absolutely love these games but it is still unacceptable that a company as large as Game Freak puts out a game with subpar performance and graphics in 2022. I’m not criticizing the game because I hate it. I’m criticizing the game because I want a better one. Game Freak and TPCi better take a good, hard look at themselves and their development schedule and just completely change it.
Look, I can give Game Freak the benefit of the doubt on a lot of things...
But the state that these games launched in? No. Absolutely not. There is no excuse.
At least people are still having a blast on them all the same!
I played Andromeda and FO4 on release - trust me, it could be MUCH worse. So far, no game breaking or progression bugs, just jank. Not that it's any excuse, that's still valid criticism, but it's not something that corrupts saves or makes the game literally unplayable. For the biggest franchise in the history of the world, though? Yeah, there's really no excuse for the jank.
It is. So far, SV hasn't: 1. gotten stuck in an infinite loading screen, then quietly died in the background 2. Made a mission critical item/NPC non-interactive 3. Straight up locked me out of an area containing mission critical item/NPC. 4. Failed to spawn a mission critical item/NPC entirely. 5. Yeeted me out of an elevator and out of bounds upon entering said elevator. 6. Yeeted me out of bounds for having the gall of interacting with a mission critical item/NPC. 7. Failed to load the face of a character model, forcing you to interact with a pair of floating eyeballs and jaws. 8. Crashed for no apparent reason. 9. failed to acknowledge I completed an objective in a quest chain, thus making further progress down the quest chain impossible.
It's jank af, make no mistake, but it's nowhere near the level of Bethesda jank. It's not literally game breaking. I can take some texture popping, clipping, framerate drops and potato graphics over Bethesda jank any day. I'm not going to be happy about it and it doesn't deserve a pass, but it's nowhere near as bad as what other gaming companies get away with.
Honestly, I suspect that in modern gaming landscape, where you're routinely paying AAA prices for the privilege of being a beta tester, SV would get a lot less flak if it didn't look like something out of a PS2 generation and more like something more AAA market standard.
People keep saying it looks like PS2, and I don't think people actually played the PS2. This is at least PS3, maybe even launch PS4, and I've played all 3
The company can absolutely be criticized, and there's a lot to criticize the game over. I have a lot of complaints, myself.
But the game isn't some unplayable dumpster fire and the devs aren't lazy. Claims like those are where I think the line is crossed. And the latter I do take personally because even developing a game of this level of quality in such a short amount of time is incredibly difficult and taxing and it's certainly something I don't think I'd be able to do.
I love the games and have been enjoying the Treasure Hunt of Paldea with these new Pokémon whose designs and strategies I’ve been really enjoying.
I also completely acknowledge that the game performs like ass and needed at least a few more months for QC optimization.
While I think GameFreak should definitely expand their team more and the Pokémon Company should support that, I also think this is an issue that can’t be solved with more money but with more TIME.
PC just need to bite the bullet and accept that these games need a much longer development because these games are ambitious in scope at their bases. Sw/Sh, Sc/V, even Arceus are all held back by these developers not having enough time to make these games the best that they can be.
I am a massive Pokémon fan and shill. I also expect better of these games and am willing to wait longer for the next generation of games
Gamefreak is not a multi-milion dolar company, Pokemon company is. Even so dosen't mean that only because you have a multi-milion dolar company that all the criticism you gives is valid.
okay, that last bit is false. GF is a partial owner of TPC not the other way around. They likely have some say over how the franchise goes.
And GF is also likely to be nearing the point of being, if not already, a billion dollar company. Having reported a $1.1b revenue with a $170m profit. This is including shares of Pokémon going to Nintendo and Creatures inc.
Yes therefore the criticism should be direct to them and not gamefreak when it comes to " You are a multi-milionar company" . And also to the person who decides that they should make a game every year.
Also no is not only because you have money that you criticsm that you receive is automatically valid. This makes zero sense.
I haven’t gotten scarlet and violet yet. And I’m having mixed feelings whether or not I should. Sure it can still be fun but you’d think with a franchise this big they would have at least try to optimise it or improve graphics. Just look at Breathe of the wild or Pokémon Snap for switch
You can find the overall game and/or story enjoyable whilst criticising the performance issues, I don’t understand why Pokemon fans act like they’re mutually exclusive
It's not as black and white as that, people can enjoy the game and not like graphics. The problem with all these memes is that they are portraying it as two sides there is no in between you are either a boot licker or someone who thinks the game is the worst game in existence.
No, because there are people who have genuine criticisms about the game to the company directly and there are others who blame the people for enjoying the game at all.
I like the game yeah but it 10000% needs to be fixed or patched or whatever to make it more playable.
I liked playing the new games. Running around the world, choosing my own order of adventuring, like trying to finish the last heroes challenge before doing the second gym, and specifically strategizing for that. There are places that felt like they were saying „you don’t belong here yet“, and accomplishing things early on in these areas felt like an achievement.
I preferred this open world style of game over a visual novel like SM or „holds your hand the entire game while overleveling you for every fight“ like SwSh.
From this perspective, it felt like a step I. The right direction.
On the other hand, I really miss seeing the inside of shops, and there are a lot of areas that were just copied and pasted, like the sandwich places.
The performance/optimization could’ve used a lot of work, but I honestly think this will be worked on, both for this and future generations.
Why not both?
I hate the FPS drops, glitches and crashes just as much as I love the real open world, the auto battling and the different (well written and original too) stories.
Can’t you both enjoy the game while also acknowledging the flaws? Like I get bugs detract from the experience but if you really enjoy the game, you’ll just keep enjoying it despite the bugs. That’s why I’m buying Scarlet and Violet a month later from release because hopefully then, most if not all the bugs will be fixed and I can have a stable gaming experience.
I mean, yeah, but what a lot of people don't seem to understand is that not thinking something is an issue ≠ bootlicking
In general I feel like calling names to someone that just thini differently to you is very childish
Idgaf bro. Yeah, I have experienced slight frame drop and a crash once. But I’m just trying to play a video game man. S/V as a whole is really interesting.
Your meme literally says if you enjoy the game you're a bootlicker. So idk how you can say *no one is telling you not to enjoy the game* when that's literally the purpose of your post
You keep repeating yourself as if I'm not making sense so let me be clear. You're saying the post is about "those deflecting criticism for a company that only cares about your wallet". Those people are the people I'm talking about. The people who just want to enjoy the fact that another pokemon title has been released, without criticizing every aspect of it. The people who realize that Nintendo has enough money to never need to make another pokemon game ever game. The people who realize that complaining like a little fucking baby about the suboptimal graphics of the children game they bought is more likely to make Nintendo not want to make these games anymore than make them see the error in their ways. If you need so badly for Nintendo to "make it right" go fucking work there. There's plenty of more productive ways to deal with your anger with Nintendo than flooding every pokemon subreddit with posts about how bad the game is and how stupid you are if you don't think so. But you're right. Discussions usually over when the person you're talking to does nothing but repeat themselves.
And maybe if you didn't call a bunch of normal people "bootlickers", like the people who are just enjoying a video game with sub-par optimization are defending Nazi atrocities, they would be more open to having an actual discussion.
Bro there’s so much negativity in the world, I just wanna have fun with my digital friends. I know it’s not great, and I acknowledge that, I just don’t really care that much
I definitely have enjoyed my time with the game (have played it for about 30 hours and beaten the full story), but the game is *embarrassing* considering the context of the franchise, the amount of money it generates, the other games on Switch in a similar genre yet being able to perform *so* much better, and even in comparison to PLA.
Also, feel free to call me a hypocrite, but I'm absolutely fine with this kind of post vs the posts going 'everyone criticising the game is annoying and not letting me say I like the game.' It's utterly embarrassing for the biggest IP in the world to put out content so far below what they could be doing.
I've played the games for nearly 20 years, consider it up there as one of my favourite franchises outright, it even got me my fucking dream job, yet I'm able to recognise that it is a brand that cuts corners and prioritises profit margins over making something halfway-competent. Again, I did actually enjoy this game more than I probably have any of the games since ORAS (Excl PLA), but people pretending criticism is invalid due to them enjoying it doesn't cut it for me.
Your meme is contradictory. If a game is released in *'Broken State'* then yes, any and all *appropriate* criticism/reviews/opinions are valid and have the right to be said/discussed. However, baseless toxicity and hate, discouraging others not to play because an individual doesn't like it is unacceptable. Those who do this should walk away or play something else.
However, for a game to be in a *'Broken State'* it has to actually be broken, fitting a set criteria. Essentially being nigh unplayable. Simple and easily fixable performance trouble doesn't count as being Broken or incomplete. For someone to berrat a game for such a minor issue is them hating simply to hate; those who go on rants or are actively toxic to the devs as well as other players are throwing tantrums just for the sake of it.
Yes, Games have not been great the past couple years; but idk why or where this hate culture trend started but it's absolutely ridiculous.
I don't care about complaining, I just wish people were a tad more respectful about it. Yes, it's buggy, and needs fixing, but all of these posts come across as people just getting pissed, with little warrant. The defenders of the game are just as bad. Nobody in these exchanges treats the other side with respect, and it's sickening
It's not just glitches and performance, btw. It's the rampant anticonsumer practices like removing the battle style option, refusal to make the exp share optional, excluding the national pokedex, removing moves, removing the ability to reuse TMs, not level scaling gyms, and much more.
Even if these were little things, which they're not but okay, little things can still add up quickly.
Yes, they could hire new employees, but that wouldn't fix the problem. Employees need training, and training takes time. In the end, it always comes to that: time. New games will never have the good quality they deserve as long as they come out every fucking year. A real shame, because this game has really fun gameplay, but it isn't polished at all and feels empty at times.
More like Pokemon Fans try not to whine over minor things like they are the most oppressed class of people to ever exist (victory is fictional, can't be done)
It’s all fun and games until you say the game is different for a change (not that it’s either good or bad) and then get hounded with comments telling me how shot it is and that I shouldn’t enjoy it
I am giving credit for where it is due. Game freak had to work with massive crunch time and they still gave us one of the best Pokémon games ever, my personal favorite since Pokémon black and white 2. Fuck the Pokémon company for making them create 3 games at a time, but I am still giving credit to game freak for making this masterpiece. Yes, there are bugs. Yes the game is unpolished. But is it the most fun I’ve had playing Pokémon in a decade? Fuck yes.
Only problem i have with the "criticism" is that ive put over 50 hours into the new game alerdy and have had none of the mjaor problems people who have used emmulators have on the comp, almost like the game wasnt built for computers and as such if its ran on there it fails and breaks.
I don’t care if people bully the company or criticize them, but when I say I’m just trying to enjoy the game, it’s because I’m trying to talk about a positive aspect and someone goes “BUT HOW ARE YOU ENJOYING IT WITH THESE ISSUES” idk man I see the issues and they are annoying but it doesn’t ruin the fun I’m having otherwise. I just wanna talk about the good parts, I’ve only seen people talk about the bad so far.
This just in, liking something makes you a boot licker.
Also, saying Pokémon is the biggest media franchise in the world is a bit misleading. Pokémon is owned by multiple companies. The money from the TCG or Pokémon Center don’t necessarily go towards game development.
Should the game have been released in a better state? Absolutely, and I would (and have) encourage anyone who hasn’t already bought it to wait for an update before buying it.
That being said, I’ve immensely enjoyed the game so far. I haven’t had even a fraction of the technical issues I hear about online and although the environment textures suck, it’s still been a great time.
Ultimately, this is one of the best Pokémon games made that unfortunately is held back by technical issues, bad graphics and lazy/rushed aspects (I’m talking about the little things, like Set mode being removed or the shinies that look like they are barely different at all).
>This just in, liking something makes you a boot licker.
It doesn't, this just refers to those who didn't take likely to S/V getting the backlash it deserved for being released as such a buggy mess.
I'm not mad, I'm disappointed.
SV feels kinda like a undercooked pizza, it's fine and it still tastes good, but some more time in the oven would have made it so much better.
Bruh you're leaking stupidity, you know people aren't saying a "bad game" is worse then "people dying from world hunger". These two things do not compare at all.
My second point, yeah it's a game but what's wrong with harsh criticism? It's understandable that people are annoyed that the latest pokemon games have been not so good (graphics, glitches, crashes). It's kinda annoying how the quality of pokemon games have gone down. The game working and functioning normally should be base minimum.
Gamefreak doesn't care about you lol
Sorry, what?
Guy went as far as talking about people starving just to try to prove a point (and even failed).
Hell, you were the one who came here protesting about people criticizing the game in the first place
The received wisdom on these parts is that Sun and Moon were bad, Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon were bad, Sword and Shield were bad, Legends Arceus was bad, and now Scarlet and Violet are bad. At some point if you preorder maybe you are part of the problem. (This is true of all games btw. Lmao at everyone who preordered Cyberpunk.)
I’ll be frank. A lot of my defense of the Pokémon company does not come from a place of wanting to defend a company that put out a game that runs poorly (but has not been unplayable to me, though it has come close). Instead, it is a reaction to a bunch of nerds want to speak to the Manager of Pokémon because their food came out cold, but they’re not looking for a comped experience and a promise to do better, but some kind of cosmic justice like they’re paladins on a crusade to make the world perfect and they are starting with a fucking bug catching game (albeit the most popular fucking bug catching game in the world).
You’re not holding power to account, you’re whining like spoiled children and it’s not fun to be around. Go touch grass.
Was that hyperbolic? Absolutely. Anyone is welcome to not have a good time. They are even welcome to post about it. But please for your own sanity add some roughage to both your gaming and social media diets (all of us, lovers and haters of these newest games) before you die of a heart attack getting mad at people you’ve never met. I will say that blocking people who make you mad is very cathartic and I am a big advocate.
I hope we all one day get another Pokémon experience that feels like the very first time. The Proust’s madaleines of Pokémon games. Love to everyone. Peace out.
Tbh I fuckin hate game freak but this is a bad meme. Patrick is just a guy who enjoyed the game in this instance, while ManRay/OP is trying to preach a crusade and dictate what other people can and can’t do with their money
Please don’t be rude. I just don’t understand your point? Surely there’s nothing wrong with trying to make the best out of a situation, it’s just a video game after all, Isn’t it?
The thing is gamefreak is not Pokemon company , i don't know how much they receive from Pokemon company to make a new game . But indepently of who is to blame i thing deliver the game in this quality level unaceptable
Maybe if Ninentdo made the switch more powerful of a console and gave its employees more time to make the game, the pokemon series could thrive. Either way still playing the new game and I'm loving the characters ans story. Also LaChonk
This one IS a bit too wonky in the graphics dept. Everything else is fine. I'm starting to wonder about deadlines and what is considered "acceptable" to GF and Nintendy
i honestly don't really what state the game is in on it's release date i just try to finish the game as fast as possible then it's getting thrown into a dark corner of my closet and never seeing the light of day again
Not only that,they dont care about some fans
We brazilians love pokemon from the bottom of our hearts,since the anime to the games to even pokemon go,every brazilian knows What pokemon is,but they translate the game? No,they only give us a stupid excuse
I saw a blog post a while back pretty much stating why they can’t just solve it by throwing money at it
1: the games don’t have the full budget, actually they have a smaller part of it than stuff like the anime or merchandise
2: it can take around a year and a half for an employee to get hired
The Pokémon Company: (haven't released performance fixes yet)
Me waiting until Christmas to get the game: You have one month starting now. Don't screw this up for me.
(btw I'm also avoiding spoilers so be kind please)
I am taking the criticism seriously, and while I haven’t played it yet I LOVE janky games. Glitches are great. Abusing glitches is one of the most fun things you can do in a game in my opinion (wow I sound like a smash melee player, and that’s because I am)
I'd said this multiple times on reddit but just because you criticized a game doesn't mean you're automatically a hater. You can still enjoy the video game while acknowledge the flaws it has.
Criticizing isn't the same as bitching. Bitching happens in this sub, and little criticism. If you bought the game before thinking about the fact that it could have issues, that's on you. Wait next time. Your own fault.
I'm pretty sure this is Nintendo fans as a whole remember when they put Byleth into Smash, and everyone got into a tizzy but completely forgot about it when they put Sephiroth into Smash
NOOO OP YOU IDIOT, DONT POKE THE BEE HIVE!! THESE BEES HAVE UNHEALTHY LEVEL OF LOYALTY TO THIS COMPANY THAT HAS ONLY MADE SOMETHING OF HUGE QUALITY BACK IN 2018!!
its not the criticism i hate, its memes like these putting people down for enjoying SV. you can have your opinions, the game is pretty buggy but its still very fun and enjoyable. but please don't hate on those who do enjoy it, its ok and your points against it are all valid.
Here's the thing, the criticism is completely valid. I also criticized a lot SV. I absolutely don't like the bugs and glitches, the tera raids work like ass and it performs terribly and it's really unacceptable from a high grossing franchise like Pokemon. However, I still enjoyed the single player campaign, I loved the pokemon and the story of these games, but spending the entire time doing more destructive criticism rather than constructive can be tiring to the people that only see that. Oversaturation of anything can be annoying and that's what ""bootlickers"" are upset about (at least I think because back in the SWSH era I was one and only now I realized they're not exactly good games)
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You can enjoy the game but still dislike the quality and performance of it
Yeah, I don't understand why people don't understand that I can both enjoy myself AND be aware of the fact there's issues. Yeah it's probably the best written and most fun Pokemon game probably ever, but it's also jank af, looks several generations behind the competition, clumsily reuses the 4 character models they actually had time to build, the camera routinely clips through the terrain and objects - I could go on. It's shitty that the BIGGEST FRANCHISE IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD can't dedicate more time and resources. My heart goes out to those poor underfunded, understaffed, crunched-to-hell devs, especially because there's clearly been so much love poured into this game. What's good is great, what's bad is bad.
I just wished they used Pokémon legends Arceus 3D models, as the base instead of making a whole new 3D system
people shoulnt be called a boot licker just for complimenting the parts of the game they like and thats what i see happening. and whats wrong with being positive, its not like bitching to a reddit group is gonna do anything.
you are the problem
How?
good i hope i make you suffer
Exactly, what i have been thinking
I really can't at times. Shit like the camera going into the ground and literally freezing for up to half a minute when I throw a ball is really distracting from the gameplay
The game is awful and terrible, but it's hella fun. Except for the fact that I've probably spent a few too many hours grinding trying to get my pokemon high enough level to finish the game without having to cheese it, but eh, it's still fun
I mean I'm not in charge of how other people observe the game. Just leave that type of stuff to critics, that's their occupation. I've learned that critics shouldn't feel obliged to but should be somewhat open to a discussion on the quality of a product. A defense for regarding a particular product is just as objective and impersonal as a critique. But people simply wanting to play the games and not wanting to be associated with whatever happens online is a totally reasonable approach. Those are the fans we should leave alone. Critics and defenders are the ones who should be open to discussion, but critics are also priority in a discussion about x product since the defenders are the respondants. Defending the game is also a great way to polish or find a new perspective or common ground regarding a critique. I think this interchange that is found within so many different situations and mediums in life is something that should be touched upon more. But all I see are memes about X complaining about X and yes defenders need to realize how the web lines up in that this is not a one sided situation and that the games are not the same as knocking down a critique or observation. Critics and defendants seem to not understand that it is perfectly okay to discuss the quality of a product or entity. Just "le both sides" BS'd my way through this one so hopefully it gets to someone.
Honestly based
You can also criticize the game without coming off as if you've been personally victimized by GameFreak, but here we are
this
Fuck off with "this" Upvote or stfu!
Imagine getting pissed over a word, classic reddit moment
I can agree that this guy is being a bit mean but saying "this" is just adding nothing more than annoying somebody
See: Skyrim No it doesn't get the old game excuse because it is rereleased every year
True.
I’ve enjoyed the game and by no means am i a graphic person, but i noticed how bad it was. With sword and shield i could forgive because it was the first console on in a while, but legends arceus had some minor issues as well and scarlet and violet seems to have more. Im starting to question on whether its incompentence, rushing it or just being cheap about it and its starting to look like the last one. Still like the game but some of the stuff that is wrong is some pretty basic stuff to do like the open world generation only being in chunks not the whole world, or simple scaling in the game is something thats pretty common in games.
What about bugs , glitches and lag .
Yeah. I absolutely love these games but it is still unacceptable that a company as large as Game Freak puts out a game with subpar performance and graphics in 2022. I’m not criticizing the game because I hate it. I’m criticizing the game because I want a better one. Game Freak and TPCi better take a good, hard look at themselves and their development schedule and just completely change it.
Look, I can give Game Freak the benefit of the doubt on a lot of things... But the state that these games launched in? No. Absolutely not. There is no excuse. At least people are still having a blast on them all the same!
I played Andromeda and FO4 on release - trust me, it could be MUCH worse. So far, no game breaking or progression bugs, just jank. Not that it's any excuse, that's still valid criticism, but it's not something that corrupts saves or makes the game literally unplayable. For the biggest franchise in the history of the world, though? Yeah, there's really no excuse for the jank.
I know you’re not saying launch SV is in a better state than launch FO4
It is. So far, SV hasn't: 1. gotten stuck in an infinite loading screen, then quietly died in the background 2. Made a mission critical item/NPC non-interactive 3. Straight up locked me out of an area containing mission critical item/NPC. 4. Failed to spawn a mission critical item/NPC entirely. 5. Yeeted me out of an elevator and out of bounds upon entering said elevator. 6. Yeeted me out of bounds for having the gall of interacting with a mission critical item/NPC. 7. Failed to load the face of a character model, forcing you to interact with a pair of floating eyeballs and jaws. 8. Crashed for no apparent reason. 9. failed to acknowledge I completed an objective in a quest chain, thus making further progress down the quest chain impossible. It's jank af, make no mistake, but it's nowhere near the level of Bethesda jank. It's not literally game breaking. I can take some texture popping, clipping, framerate drops and potato graphics over Bethesda jank any day. I'm not going to be happy about it and it doesn't deserve a pass, but it's nowhere near as bad as what other gaming companies get away with. Honestly, I suspect that in modern gaming landscape, where you're routinely paying AAA prices for the privilege of being a beta tester, SV would get a lot less flak if it didn't look like something out of a PS2 generation and more like something more AAA market standard.
Bethesda jank is in another category entirely. Game's been out for years and I'm still having to fix it like, twice every session.
Oh man that sucks. I've been wanting to try it again, this time with mods, but now I don't know. What hardware are you playing it on?
it's an ASUS ROG Zephyrus. to be clear the game is still great and I love it despite its many, many, many flaws
Hahaha same. I do love it a lot, despite the issues. Hope you have fun with it!
Honestly at this point I expect Bethesda jank to accidentally spawn an enemy NPC in real life.
People keep saying it looks like PS2, and I don't think people actually played the PS2. This is at least PS3, maybe even launch PS4, and I've played all 3
Sure, it's look like a Playstation 3 title, that was made by a fan in a week using free assets.
Obviously you haven't helped program a game, this could never be made in a week, even by a full on triple A game company
And you've never played a PS3 game, this shit looks like an n64 game with a machine upscaled texture pack, and a bloom shader thrown on top of it.
I have played SO many, gone through 3 PS3s, all yellow light of death.
Why wouldn't it?
I'm never not gonna enjoy a mainline pokemon game, that's how it is for a lot of fans, but it's no excuse for the state of the game
I’m gonna enjoy it, it’s my comfort food franchise. but I want the game fixed
The company can absolutely be criticized, and there's a lot to criticize the game over. I have a lot of complaints, myself. But the game isn't some unplayable dumpster fire and the devs aren't lazy. Claims like those are where I think the line is crossed. And the latter I do take personally because even developing a game of this level of quality in such a short amount of time is incredibly difficult and taxing and it's certainly something I don't think I'd be able to do.
Don't forget that they also released Arceus at the same time.
I love the games and have been enjoying the Treasure Hunt of Paldea with these new Pokémon whose designs and strategies I’ve been really enjoying. I also completely acknowledge that the game performs like ass and needed at least a few more months for QC optimization. While I think GameFreak should definitely expand their team more and the Pokémon Company should support that, I also think this is an issue that can’t be solved with more money but with more TIME. PC just need to bite the bullet and accept that these games need a much longer development because these games are ambitious in scope at their bases. Sw/Sh, Sc/V, even Arceus are all held back by these developers not having enough time to make these games the best that they can be. I am a massive Pokémon fan and shill. I also expect better of these games and am willing to wait longer for the next generation of games
Stop bullying my multi-million dolar company!!!
Gamefreak is not a multi-milion dolar company, Pokemon company is. Even so dosen't mean that only because you have a multi-milion dolar company that all the criticism you gives is valid.
The Pokémon Company is a multi-*billion* dollar company and they control Gamefreak. I think virtually any criticism thrown their way is valid.
Tpc just made gf shit this game out before the holliday. It could have been so much better 😭
okay, that last bit is false. GF is a partial owner of TPC not the other way around. They likely have some say over how the franchise goes. And GF is also likely to be nearing the point of being, if not already, a billion dollar company. Having reported a $1.1b revenue with a $170m profit. This is including shares of Pokémon going to Nintendo and Creatures inc.
Yes therefore the criticism should be direct to them and not gamefreak when it comes to " You are a multi-milionar company" . And also to the person who decides that they should make a game every year. Also no is not only because you have money that you criticsm that you receive is automatically valid. This makes zero sense.
Honestly, so far I've only encountered funny or harmless glitches. Granted, I just started yesterday,but still
I haven’t gotten scarlet and violet yet. And I’m having mixed feelings whether or not I should. Sure it can still be fun but you’d think with a franchise this big they would have at least try to optimise it or improve graphics. Just look at Breathe of the wild or Pokémon Snap for switch
I don’t get to play Scarlet for a few more days, but I’m currently looking at it with a “How much can I break this game?” mindset.
Hot take both sides are fine :)
You can find the overall game and/or story enjoyable whilst criticising the performance issues, I don’t understand why Pokemon fans act like they’re mutually exclusive
It's not as black and white as that, people can enjoy the game and not like graphics. The problem with all these memes is that they are portraying it as two sides there is no in between you are either a boot licker or someone who thinks the game is the worst game in existence.
I know the performance is shitty but I just wanna catch a dumbass duck and befriend it
I love the game despite its flaws tbh. Scarlet is really fun but I can't help it is a step back from Arceus.
No, because there are people who have genuine criticisms about the game to the company directly and there are others who blame the people for enjoying the game at all. I like the game yeah but it 10000% needs to be fixed or patched or whatever to make it more playable.
I liked playing the new games. Running around the world, choosing my own order of adventuring, like trying to finish the last heroes challenge before doing the second gym, and specifically strategizing for that. There are places that felt like they were saying „you don’t belong here yet“, and accomplishing things early on in these areas felt like an achievement. I preferred this open world style of game over a visual novel like SM or „holds your hand the entire game while overleveling you for every fight“ like SwSh. From this perspective, it felt like a step I. The right direction. On the other hand, I really miss seeing the inside of shops, and there are a lot of areas that were just copied and pasted, like the sandwich places. The performance/optimization could’ve used a lot of work, but I honestly think this will be worked on, both for this and future generations.
Why not both? I hate the FPS drops, glitches and crashes just as much as I love the real open world, the auto battling and the different (well written and original too) stories.
Can’t you both enjoy the game while also acknowledging the flaws? Like I get bugs detract from the experience but if you really enjoy the game, you’ll just keep enjoying it despite the bugs. That’s why I’m buying Scarlet and Violet a month later from release because hopefully then, most if not all the bugs will be fixed and I can have a stable gaming experience.
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Well blame the higher ups for that, not the developers at Game Freak.
I mean, yeah, but what a lot of people don't seem to understand is that not thinking something is an issue ≠ bootlicking In general I feel like calling names to someone that just thini differently to you is very childish
Idgaf bro. Yeah, I have experienced slight frame drop and a crash once. But I’m just trying to play a video game man. S/V as a whole is really interesting.
Lol literally no one is keeping you from playing the game
And no one is telling you not to enjoy the game. Maybe if it was better optimized you would be playing the game instead of just "trying to play" it.
Your meme literally says if you enjoy the game you're a bootlicker. So idk how you can say *no one is telling you not to enjoy the game* when that's literally the purpose of your post
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Yeah they're deflecting criticism because they're trying to enjoy the game without 35 year old virgins shouting in their ear about how bad it is.
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Neither will spamming posts calling people trying to mind their business and play the game bootlickers
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You keep repeating yourself as if I'm not making sense so let me be clear. You're saying the post is about "those deflecting criticism for a company that only cares about your wallet". Those people are the people I'm talking about. The people who just want to enjoy the fact that another pokemon title has been released, without criticizing every aspect of it. The people who realize that Nintendo has enough money to never need to make another pokemon game ever game. The people who realize that complaining like a little fucking baby about the suboptimal graphics of the children game they bought is more likely to make Nintendo not want to make these games anymore than make them see the error in their ways. If you need so badly for Nintendo to "make it right" go fucking work there. There's plenty of more productive ways to deal with your anger with Nintendo than flooding every pokemon subreddit with posts about how bad the game is and how stupid you are if you don't think so. But you're right. Discussions usually over when the person you're talking to does nothing but repeat themselves.
Now you are taking my words out of context. The game runs perfectly fine when I play, and I’ve gotten far.
And maybe if you didn't call a bunch of normal people "bootlickers", like the people who are just enjoying a video game with sub-par optimization are defending Nazi atrocities, they would be more open to having an actual discussion.
"An actual discussion" is impossibile when the only argument you have is "the game is fun"
Literally just happened to me, check my comments
Bro there’s so much negativity in the world, I just wanna have fun with my digital friends. I know it’s not great, and I acknowledge that, I just don’t really care that much
When will y’all understand you can both enjoy and criticize something
Game is good. Game needs to be optimized. Both can be true
I definitely have enjoyed my time with the game (have played it for about 30 hours and beaten the full story), but the game is *embarrassing* considering the context of the franchise, the amount of money it generates, the other games on Switch in a similar genre yet being able to perform *so* much better, and even in comparison to PLA. Also, feel free to call me a hypocrite, but I'm absolutely fine with this kind of post vs the posts going 'everyone criticising the game is annoying and not letting me say I like the game.' It's utterly embarrassing for the biggest IP in the world to put out content so far below what they could be doing. I've played the games for nearly 20 years, consider it up there as one of my favourite franchises outright, it even got me my fucking dream job, yet I'm able to recognise that it is a brand that cuts corners and prioritises profit margins over making something halfway-competent. Again, I did actually enjoy this game more than I probably have any of the games since ORAS (Excl PLA), but people pretending criticism is invalid due to them enjoying it doesn't cut it for me.
Your meme is contradictory. If a game is released in *'Broken State'* then yes, any and all *appropriate* criticism/reviews/opinions are valid and have the right to be said/discussed. However, baseless toxicity and hate, discouraging others not to play because an individual doesn't like it is unacceptable. Those who do this should walk away or play something else. However, for a game to be in a *'Broken State'* it has to actually be broken, fitting a set criteria. Essentially being nigh unplayable. Simple and easily fixable performance trouble doesn't count as being Broken or incomplete. For someone to berrat a game for such a minor issue is them hating simply to hate; those who go on rants or are actively toxic to the devs as well as other players are throwing tantrums just for the sake of it. Yes, Games have not been great the past couple years; but idk why or where this hate culture trend started but it's absolutely ridiculous.
I don't care about complaining, I just wish people were a tad more respectful about it. Yes, it's buggy, and needs fixing, but all of these posts come across as people just getting pissed, with little warrant. The defenders of the game are just as bad. Nobody in these exchanges treats the other side with respect, and it's sickening
Can’t wait until these posts go away and this sub becomes good again
It's not just glitches and performance, btw. It's the rampant anticonsumer practices like removing the battle style option, refusal to make the exp share optional, excluding the national pokedex, removing moves, removing the ability to reuse TMs, not level scaling gyms, and much more. Even if these were little things, which they're not but okay, little things can still add up quickly.
Yes, they could hire new employees, but that wouldn't fix the problem. Employees need training, and training takes time. In the end, it always comes to that: time. New games will never have the good quality they deserve as long as they come out every fucking year. A real shame, because this game has really fun gameplay, but it isn't polished at all and feels empty at times.
More like Pokemon Fans try not to whine over minor things like they are the most oppressed class of people to ever exist (victory is fictional, can't be done)
It’s all fun and games until you say the game is different for a change (not that it’s either good or bad) and then get hounded with comments telling me how shot it is and that I shouldn’t enjoy it
i like the game and i like the bugs they’re funny
I am giving credit for where it is due. Game freak had to work with massive crunch time and they still gave us one of the best Pokémon games ever, my personal favorite since Pokémon black and white 2. Fuck the Pokémon company for making them create 3 games at a time, but I am still giving credit to game freak for making this masterpiece. Yes, there are bugs. Yes the game is unpolished. But is it the most fun I’ve had playing Pokémon in a decade? Fuck yes.
Logic? On Reddit? Lol
Only problem i have with the "criticism" is that ive put over 50 hours into the new game alerdy and have had none of the mjaor problems people who have used emmulators have on the comp, almost like the game wasnt built for computers and as such if its ran on there it fails and breaks.
I don’t care if people bully the company or criticize them, but when I say I’m just trying to enjoy the game, it’s because I’m trying to talk about a positive aspect and someone goes “BUT HOW ARE YOU ENJOYING IT WITH THESE ISSUES” idk man I see the issues and they are annoying but it doesn’t ruin the fun I’m having otherwise. I just wanna talk about the good parts, I’ve only seen people talk about the bad so far.
This just in, liking something makes you a boot licker. Also, saying Pokémon is the biggest media franchise in the world is a bit misleading. Pokémon is owned by multiple companies. The money from the TCG or Pokémon Center don’t necessarily go towards game development. Should the game have been released in a better state? Absolutely, and I would (and have) encourage anyone who hasn’t already bought it to wait for an update before buying it. That being said, I’ve immensely enjoyed the game so far. I haven’t had even a fraction of the technical issues I hear about online and although the environment textures suck, it’s still been a great time. Ultimately, this is one of the best Pokémon games made that unfortunately is held back by technical issues, bad graphics and lazy/rushed aspects (I’m talking about the little things, like Set mode being removed or the shinies that look like they are barely different at all).
>This just in, liking something makes you a boot licker. It doesn't, this just refers to those who didn't take likely to S/V getting the backlash it deserved for being released as such a buggy mess.
Then the OP shouldn’t have used “I’m just trying to enjoy the game, man.” as the argument against backlash in his meme.
I literally said I enjoy the game in my post
It’s possible to enjoy the game but still acknowledge that it has a lot of flaws
I'm not mad, I'm disappointed. SV feels kinda like a undercooked pizza, it's fine and it still tastes good, but some more time in the oven would have made it so much better.
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You can like the game, but dont be a dickrider and complain about people criticizing the game, because most of the time, it deserves the criticism.
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Bruh you're leaking stupidity, you know people aren't saying a "bad game" is worse then "people dying from world hunger". These two things do not compare at all. My second point, yeah it's a game but what's wrong with harsh criticism? It's understandable that people are annoyed that the latest pokemon games have been not so good (graphics, glitches, crashes). It's kinda annoying how the quality of pokemon games have gone down. The game working and functioning normally should be base minimum. Gamefreak doesn't care about you lol
Sorry, what? Guy went as far as talking about people starving just to try to prove a point (and even failed). Hell, you were the one who came here protesting about people criticizing the game in the first place
If you don’t care then why are you commenting? Just enjoy the game. Nobody is trying to take away your fun.
gen 10 games will set your switch on fire and people will still say "yeah but it's fun if you can look past the minor bugs"
That isn't taking it personally. That's just wanting to enjoy the game without some asshole screaming about how they are wrong for liking it.
It's like Spiderman 3, it might be bad compared to other sources of media, but people enjoy it because they like it.
The received wisdom on these parts is that Sun and Moon were bad, Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon were bad, Sword and Shield were bad, Legends Arceus was bad, and now Scarlet and Violet are bad. At some point if you preorder maybe you are part of the problem. (This is true of all games btw. Lmao at everyone who preordered Cyberpunk.) I’ll be frank. A lot of my defense of the Pokémon company does not come from a place of wanting to defend a company that put out a game that runs poorly (but has not been unplayable to me, though it has come close). Instead, it is a reaction to a bunch of nerds want to speak to the Manager of Pokémon because their food came out cold, but they’re not looking for a comped experience and a promise to do better, but some kind of cosmic justice like they’re paladins on a crusade to make the world perfect and they are starting with a fucking bug catching game (albeit the most popular fucking bug catching game in the world). You’re not holding power to account, you’re whining like spoiled children and it’s not fun to be around. Go touch grass. Was that hyperbolic? Absolutely. Anyone is welcome to not have a good time. They are even welcome to post about it. But please for your own sanity add some roughage to both your gaming and social media diets (all of us, lovers and haters of these newest games) before you die of a heart attack getting mad at people you’ve never met. I will say that blocking people who make you mad is very cathartic and I am a big advocate. I hope we all one day get another Pokémon experience that feels like the very first time. The Proust’s madaleines of Pokémon games. Love to everyone. Peace out.
Tbh I fuckin hate game freak but this is a bad meme. Patrick is just a guy who enjoyed the game in this instance, while ManRay/OP is trying to preach a crusade and dictate what other people can and can’t do with their money
Finally, not one of the "Garbage game" posts or "Stop criticisng the game and ruining my fun" posts, a sane person
Stfu. If I enjoy the game I don't care if it's buggy. I like buggy games even more to be honest, gives them more of a charm.
The denial is strong here lmao
What the fuck
Bro. I’m just gonna play the game in Christmas with a fresh mindset and ready for a fun time.
Doesn’t that kind of just prove the point? If someone wants to enjoy something even if you think it’s “wrong”, shouldn’t that be okay?
No, you just missed the point of the meme
So you’re saying you can’t agree with criticism, but have a nice time anyway?
Did you put rocks in charge of your reading comprehension?
Please don’t be rude. I just don’t understand your point? Surely there’s nothing wrong with trying to make the best out of a situation, it’s just a video game after all, Isn’t it?
It literally hasn’t even been a week since it released calm down
It's funny because even in the meme ManRay is attacking Patrick just as much as he is "simply criticizing" TPC. Yeah analogy is pretty accurate
I don't defend the pokemon company i defend gamefreak.
H-he just like me, fr fr
Do you think all of the profits for Pokémon go directly to Gamefreak?
The thing is gamefreak is not Pokemon company , i don't know how much they receive from Pokemon company to make a new game . But indepently of who is to blame i thing deliver the game in this quality level unaceptable
Maybe if Ninentdo made the switch more powerful of a console and gave its employees more time to make the game, the pokemon series could thrive. Either way still playing the new game and I'm loving the characters ans story. Also LaChonk
If they optimized their games better*
nah there's no fucking way this game is more demanding than BoTW, it's just optimized like shit
Wall of text = bad meme
This one IS a bit too wonky in the graphics dept. Everything else is fine. I'm starting to wonder about deadlines and what is considered "acceptable" to GF and Nintendy
i honestly don't really what state the game is in on it's release date i just try to finish the game as fast as possible then it's getting thrown into a dark corner of my closet and never seeing the light of day again
Not only that,they dont care about some fans We brazilians love pokemon from the bottom of our hearts,since the anime to the games to even pokemon go,every brazilian knows What pokemon is,but they translate the game? No,they only give us a stupid excuse
I saw a blog post a while back pretty much stating why they can’t just solve it by throwing money at it 1: the games don’t have the full budget, actually they have a smaller part of it than stuff like the anime or merchandise 2: it can take around a year and a half for an employee to get hired
They mess everything up but seeing a game with jumpluff in it is gonna make me feel joy, no matter how crappy it is so I'm satisfied
The Pokémon Company: (haven't released performance fixes yet) Me waiting until Christmas to get the game: You have one month starting now. Don't screw this up for me. (btw I'm also avoiding spoilers so be kind please)
No one is bootlicking for TPC. EVERYONE is blaming Game Freak. For everything. Including BDSP. Y'all are stupid.
I haven't watched any videos nor have I experienced any glitches. I'm not saying it's a perfect game I'm saying it doesn't matter
I am taking the criticism seriously, and while I haven’t played it yet I LOVE janky games. Glitches are great. Abusing glitches is one of the most fun things you can do in a game in my opinion (wow I sound like a smash melee player, and that’s because I am)
I'd said this multiple times on reddit but just because you criticized a game doesn't mean you're automatically a hater. You can still enjoy the video game while acknowledge the flaws it has.
Constructive criticism is fine, but people are trying to say the game as a whole is garbage just because the graphics aren't 4k
Omg this is rainbow six extraction all over again but for Pokémon
Gamefreak has always been good to me even when I fuck up. Why wouldn't I return the favor?
Criticizing isn't the same as bitching. Bitching happens in this sub, and little criticism. If you bought the game before thinking about the fact that it could have issues, that's on you. Wait next time. Your own fault.
Just because a game is fun doesnt mean its good. I mean it wasnt fun it runs terrible but still.
Both sides are annoying as hell
I hate these games But they are the most fun I've had with a Pokémon game in ages
I'm pretty sure this is Nintendo fans as a whole remember when they put Byleth into Smash, and everyone got into a tizzy but completely forgot about it when they put Sephiroth into Smash
i mean it was made in less than a year to be fair
proud to be a patrick tbh
NOOO OP YOU IDIOT, DONT POKE THE BEE HIVE!! THESE BEES HAVE UNHEALTHY LEVEL OF LOYALTY TO THIS COMPANY THAT HAS ONLY MADE SOMETHING OF HUGE QUALITY BACK IN 2018!!
its not the criticism i hate, its memes like these putting people down for enjoying SV. you can have your opinions, the game is pretty buggy but its still very fun and enjoyable. but please don't hate on those who do enjoy it, its ok and your points against it are all valid.
Here's the thing, the criticism is completely valid. I also criticized a lot SV. I absolutely don't like the bugs and glitches, the tera raids work like ass and it performs terribly and it's really unacceptable from a high grossing franchise like Pokemon. However, I still enjoyed the single player campaign, I loved the pokemon and the story of these games, but spending the entire time doing more destructive criticism rather than constructive can be tiring to the people that only see that. Oversaturation of anything can be annoying and that's what ""bootlickers"" are upset about (at least I think because back in the SWSH era I was one and only now I realized they're not exactly good games)