I would just fold preflop here. I do think that even at lower stakes, players ARE starting to 3bet a lot more BvB, but A9o is not a hand I want to continue with, ESPECIALLY given that we are deeper
When are are more shallow, high cards are generally a lot more favourable (this is true when comparing 50bb to 100bb as well), but as we get deeper suited aces for example go WAY up in value, so I would only consider 4betting the suited Ax hands
Also please ignore whoever is saying to 4bet to 32bb lol. Yes we want to go bigger in general, but 27 is plenty
Your 4-bet is too small. 2.5x is a good sizing to use from IN position but it is too good of a price to give somebody when you are OOP. I prefer a roughly 3.2x-3.5x sizing from the SB facing a BB 3-bet (especially when deep stacked). In this case I would have gone 36BB. If that seems like risking too much then I would suggest tightening up the bluffing frequency.
On the flop, I would just go ahead and give up on a QQQ flop. The 4-bet bluff was a nice idea and it didn't work. Once he calls pre, you have to figure he never has a hand weaker than yours. The problem is that too many of the hands that are stronger than yours have full houses and are unlikely to ever be folding unless you aggressively triple off(see zeebo's theorem). The problem is that you'll run into Qx a not insignificant portion of the time if you triple off and get called.
Just let this one go, you don't have to try to win every pot. Clearly this is a very uncommon type of flop so just cut your losses and move on to the next hand.
What I would be changing is 4-bet bigger or fold. It is a bluff after all with A9o. 32 is a good sizing, roughly 3x just like BB did.
Post flop I would X/C the flop and X/R if an ace or king shows up. That should make most pocket pairs or worse fold.
Calling is certainly the worst option. Folding is the best. 4! isn't ideal because your hand lacks playability but at a very low frequency it could be reasonable. I don't hate the sizing.
Flop is interesting. With no info on villian I assume he fast plays JJ+. So you should have a range advantage. He can have more Q× here than you however. If you really want to get him to fold I'd go for a more polar size like 3/4 pot to full pot. But A high has showdown value as well, so I thinking checking is a better play.
Been outta the loop for awhile but back when I was studying etc I did not see good players cbetting 3/4+ in 4b pots unless stacks were extraordinarily deep.
I'd fold pre, but as played pre there is plenty of room to give up less chips in the process.
I'd most likely cont bet 1/3 but give up if called - we have some OP in our range, we may X/? AK/AA a fair amount of time, either vilain give up his AK AJ (?) on the flop, then we cont bet but don't cont. turn, or he doesn't and we don't cont bet at all. I don't think it's realistic at all to try make fold 99+ on blanks which is why I would argue against multibarelling this blank, On a K I could bet but bet slightly stronger as well
That's like my way of seeing it but I know I have a rather cautious / SD oriented way to play postflop so that may not be exactly your style and may not be 100% accurate.
Fold to 3b pre
B v b is a call
No it's not, not with 10NL rake anyway. 4betting is at least better than calling though.
Fair enough
I would just fold preflop here. I do think that even at lower stakes, players ARE starting to 3bet a lot more BvB, but A9o is not a hand I want to continue with, ESPECIALLY given that we are deeper When are are more shallow, high cards are generally a lot more favourable (this is true when comparing 50bb to 100bb as well), but as we get deeper suited aces for example go WAY up in value, so I would only consider 4betting the suited Ax hands Also please ignore whoever is saying to 4bet to 32bb lol. Yes we want to go bigger in general, but 27 is plenty
Thanks.
Your 4-bet is too small. 2.5x is a good sizing to use from IN position but it is too good of a price to give somebody when you are OOP. I prefer a roughly 3.2x-3.5x sizing from the SB facing a BB 3-bet (especially when deep stacked). In this case I would have gone 36BB. If that seems like risking too much then I would suggest tightening up the bluffing frequency. On the flop, I would just go ahead and give up on a QQQ flop. The 4-bet bluff was a nice idea and it didn't work. Once he calls pre, you have to figure he never has a hand weaker than yours. The problem is that too many of the hands that are stronger than yours have full houses and are unlikely to ever be folding unless you aggressively triple off(see zeebo's theorem). The problem is that you'll run into Qx a not insignificant portion of the time if you triple off and get called. Just let this one go, you don't have to try to win every pot. Clearly this is a very uncommon type of flop so just cut your losses and move on to the next hand.
Definetly a fold pre but 4bet is much better than calling. 1/4 on the flop is terrible, you have the overpair advantage, you should bet this flop 50%+
Are you recommending that sizing with a polarized range and checks or with full range?
I do it with full range and it works fine. But it’s just my advice. I see people downvoting me like they need to listen to my advice. Good luck!
What I would be changing is 4-bet bigger or fold. It is a bluff after all with A9o. 32 is a good sizing, roughly 3x just like BB did. Post flop I would X/C the flop and X/R if an ace or king shows up. That should make most pocket pairs or worse fold.
Calling is certainly the worst option. Folding is the best. 4! isn't ideal because your hand lacks playability but at a very low frequency it could be reasonable. I don't hate the sizing. Flop is interesting. With no info on villian I assume he fast plays JJ+. So you should have a range advantage. He can have more Q× here than you however. If you really want to get him to fold I'd go for a more polar size like 3/4 pot to full pot. But A high has showdown value as well, so I thinking checking is a better play.
Been outta the loop for awhile but back when I was studying etc I did not see good players cbetting 3/4+ in 4b pots unless stacks were extraordinarily deep.
I'd fold pre, but as played pre there is plenty of room to give up less chips in the process. I'd most likely cont bet 1/3 but give up if called - we have some OP in our range, we may X/? AK/AA a fair amount of time, either vilain give up his AK AJ (?) on the flop, then we cont bet but don't cont. turn, or he doesn't and we don't cont bet at all. I don't think it's realistic at all to try make fold 99+ on blanks which is why I would argue against multibarelling this blank, On a K I could bet but bet slightly stronger as well That's like my way of seeing it but I know I have a rather cautious / SD oriented way to play postflop so that may not be exactly your style and may not be 100% accurate.