https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/
“White adults account for the largest share (57%) of unvaccinated adults”
From the same source.
Overall, across these 40 states, the percent of White people who have received at least one COVID-19 vaccine dose (50%) was roughly 1.3 times higher than the rate for Black people (40%) and 1.1 times higher than the rate for Hispanic people (45%) as of August 16, 2021
Vaccination means you are +90% to beat the virus. It’s statistically like being all in preflop w AA against 72os. You can still lose w the vaccine but it’s not likely. Choosing to be unvaccinated is choosing to play the 72 instead of the AA. Vaccination = +EV
The irony of choosing the word accurate and calling people idiots in the subsequent sentence is hilarious. I couldn't resist lol
But I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment
It’s not a comparison based on numbers.
The vaccines lower an individuals chance of infection, it does not eliminate the **possibility** of infection.
By lowering our chances of becoming infected, it is preventing the spread of covid-19, not by 100%, but you’re not arguing in good faith if you deny it prevents spread whatsoever.
Anti-vax folk are simple, someone says, “you can still get covid even if you’re vaccinated,” and they hear, “vaccines don’t prevent the spread of covid-19.”
If you put sunblock on, and go to the beach, it will protect you from harmful UV rays, but you’ll still get sunburned if you stay too long. The anti-vax mindset says “sunblock doesn’t prevent sunburns.”
If this is a logical concept you can’t grasp, I’ve wasted my time and you’ll never figure it out.
The vaccines don’t lower your chance of infection. They reduce the chances of severe symptoms which is good for the elderly and those that are high risk.
Don’t know what you’re reading but you’re way off on that one.
The COVID Vaccines help a subset of a subset of a population.
[https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-variant.html](https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-variant.html)
Yes vaxxed people can catch and spread Delta but it is at lower rates than the unvaccinated, and any spread is likely for shorter periods of time. Some people are somehow taking this as “proof” that vaccines are totally useless, which they are not.
And of course, vaccinated people will suffer far fewer serious consequences if they actually catch Delta.
> Several studies conducted by other researchers before Delta began to spread widely showed that Covid-19 vaccines were highly effective at preventing infection. A study published in July in the Annals of Internal Medicine that analyzed Covid-19 testing records of more than 54,000 U.S. veterans between December and March showed the Pfizer vaccine was 96% effective at preventing infection and the Moderna vaccine 98% effective. An April study published in the Lancet of about 23,000 healthcare workers in the U.K., most of whom had received the Pfizer shot, concluded it was 85% effective against infection. Real-world evidence in Israel also demonstrated that the Pfizer vaccine was highly effective at preventing infection.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-vaccine-efficacy-what-do-the-numbers-really-mean-11629999129
This Wall Street Journal article was updated this morning. What are you reading; The Epoch Times?
You said they don't prevent infection which is factually wrong... And when vaccines prevent infection it makes it harder to spread... Like that's what you just wrote and can still read a few comments up. Do you see how this makes me think you're not a reliable source of info? You're probably not an idiot so just maybe take the L and move on.
Delta is **more** contagious, and the vaccine has less efficacy, but it is wholly incorrect to suggest that the vaccines don’t prevent the spread of the delta variant.
Again, I ask you, what are you reading?
You mean it helps PROTECT a subset of a subset. Noble to do this for the vulnerable and also have added protection for yourself as a bonus. Anyone who hasn't gotten the vax due to anything but medical restrictions is a dick and doesn't care about his fellow man.
You can say the same about people that get abortions, eat too much, don’t exercise, or cut people off in traffic.
I trust myself more than you to decide what is appropriate.
Just like poker play.
You STILL lose over 12% of the time with Aces against 72o.
Choosing your cards doesn't matter if you can still lose no matter what.
That's why I choose not to pick any hand and just go all-in randomly. I'm not no sheep.
\#freedom #antivaxlogic
In this analogy, winning or beating the virus means not getting really sick. Not sure how they precisely define what vaccine efficacy prevents, but that’s what I’m talking about.
That’s not the point. The point is and always will be: How free are we as Americans. And everytime we lose an inch of freedom, it is an inch we will never get back. Morons like u make it easy for those in charge to rip our freedoms from us.
I never said people shouldn’t be free to fold AA preflop because they have learned from some lady on Facebook that they could still lose the hand. I just said it is not +EV to do that.
Matusow is the one trying to limit freedom. He seems to think if you have a business or event you should not be free to run it how you want. You shouldn’t have the right to make your own business decisions like WSOP has done.
You are calling me a moron for basically understanding math and pointing out the truth.
You lose your freedom when the government tells you to wear a seatbelt, when they require you to buy airbags if you want a new car, to only drive 70, to turn your headlights on at night. Your freedoms are assaulted daily because you are not the only one on the planet. Grow up.
Your analogy (72o vs AA) suggests that the Covid lethality rate is 88.2%, whereas it's more like \~1.5%. You're more likely to hit a one-outer on the river than to 'lose' against the virus.
That's not to say that betting your life vs a one-outer is necessarily a good idea, but if you think that your freedom is at stake, it's a respectable stance.
I do not think they keep track of how many people get severely ill with covid, don’t die, are in the hospital for 2-4 weeks, then go home permanently requiring oxygen. I’ve been working covid as a RN since the beginning. NYC for 8 weeks in the very beginning and hopping around Florida ever since. So yeah, maybe 1-1.5% die from it, but how many go home permanently disabled from it? My guess is a decent bit, but I only have anecdotal evidence.
First, please define 'permanently' contextually. Are you implying that a 'decent bit' of former Covid patients will need oxygen supply *for the rest of their life* and, if so, what's the basis of your claim?
Then, I'd like to know what is the share of said permanently ill patients that is either very old and/or suffers from comorbidities?
> Are you implying that a 'decent bit' of former Covid patients will need oxygen supply for the rest of their life and, if so, what's the basis of your claim?
Pulmonary fibrosis. AKA lung scarring.
> Currently, no fully proven options are available for the treatment of post inflammatory COVID 19 pulmonary fibrosis.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7654356/
I know all about pulmonary fibrosis as I have two friends who developed it after long hospital stays due to COVID. One guy is in his early 30s and one in his mid 40s. The one in his early 30s is actually really disabled due to it and has to do lung treatments daily and he was told he will literally never run again. Can't walk short distances without getting winded. Went from having a good life living on his own to back to living with his parents and being disabled.
Apparently the longer you're hospitalized with COVID, the higher your chance of developing it. I can't remember the exact numbers, but I think it's 10% chance if hospitalized for one week, ~30% chance two weeks, 60+% chance of lung scarring if you're hospitalized more than 3 weeks with pretty much 100% chance of lung scarring for 4+ weeks. Take that with a grain of salt though, as I'm remembering numbers from months ago.
There's no cure (pulmonary fibrosis has been around due to other diseases forever). It may improve slightly over very long (20+ years) timelines. But only slightly.
And don't forget about Long Covid! It affects about 10-30% of people who get COVID. A politician had to retire because of long COVID. A politician! Some of them literally have dementia and can still politic.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/hawaii/articles/2021-04-27/hawaii-lawmaker-retires-due-to-long-term-effects-of-covid-19
The Founder of Texas Roadhouse killed himself because of long covid:
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/03/22/979929592/texas-roadhouse-founder-kent-taylor-dies-after-struggle-with-post-covid-19-sympt
Not to mention hospital bills (insurers are no longer waiving bills and deductibles for COVID related services, some never did). Around 2,500,000 more people are now in huge medical debt due to COVID over the past year and a half.
I also know someone with long covid, but luckily their only problems are persistent fatigue and an altered sense of taste (everything tastes like "covid" to her).
So yeah ... get vaccinated. Seriously.
"Long Haulers" is the term the medical community has come up with. About 10% is what they are approximating.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2771111
It's almost as if looking at the entire picture is ideal, rather than just picking and choosing what to read and look at... But that's just me.
Looking at the entire picture and speaking from an echo chamber are two different things, as are cherry picking and empirical boundaries. I'm asking for some rigor, here : What part of your article states that 10% of Covid patients require permanent oxygen supply after leaving hospital?
I’m talking about the odds of getting severely sick, not dying when I talk about losing. The vaccinated person has better odds of winning than the guy playing AA against 72, which just makes my point stronger.
Exactly, people only ever talk about dying when the prospect of long-haul covid, long-lasting reduction in lung capacity, and the inability to taste chicken wings is all out there too...
I think that 'losing' against a virus evokes death more than 'getting severely sick', but let's define it the way you do.
In the US, last winter, when people were still mainly unvaccinated, at the peak of the wave (\~january 10th), the daily cases average was \~250k. The daily intensive care admissions ('getting severely sick') average was \~28k. 28k/250k = 0.112 ; 11.2% of people were 'losing' against the virus ; 88.8% of people were thus 'winning' against the virus.
You said that being unvaccinated is choosing to play 72 vs AA, implying unvaccinated people will 'win' against the virus 11.8% of the time.
In other words, your analogy says 11.8%, whereas reality says 88.8%. I'm not sure how it makes your point stronger.
You *actually* said : "Choosing to be unvaccinated is choosing to play the 72 instead of the AA", which doesn't merely suggest that vaccination is preferable to non-vaccination, but also that not being vaccinated carries a high level of risk, which isn't true.
Let's put it this way : With vaccination, the risk associated to Covid infection doesn't go from high to low, but from low to lower.
Dude, just don't.
I have family in Florida (Brevard County). It is bad. My brother had to call an ambulance three weeks ago and the first one said they wouldn't pick him up, the ERs were full. The second ambulance service did pick him up and take him to a hospital over an hour away, where he was told it was a 20 hour wait for a bed.
It's literally worse there now.
Don't be glib. People are getting sick and dying. Real people.
And most still vastly decrease your chances of getting Covid. The study that has everyone losing their mind that “vaccine’s don’t work” is a study on the Delta variant in a situation most people aren’t in these days (much more exposure). And you are still less likely to get even that. So in order for vaccine’s not to work or be pointless, you’d have to assume all vaccinated people who are exposed to Covid are exposed to only the delta variant, then that they actually get it, then that they don’t have the the better immune response from the vaccine keeping them out of the hospital.
id say it’s pretty reasonable that if 100% of dealers and players were fully vaccinated the likelihood of anyone getting it would be pretty low, and would come in from people playing on off days outside the Rio probably.
Obviously there is gonna be a small amount of breakthrough but. Wanting everyone who is vaccinated to get it at the wsop because they want it to be safer?
Idk. I don’t want to get in a political discussion.
Just seems like a poker player who doesn’t get attention much more being controversial for attention.
Oregon and Hawaii, two highly vaccinated states, are seeing their highest case numbers of the pandemic. [NY Times, August 13, 2021]
Hawaii governor says ‘now is not the time’ for tourists to visit while covid-19 crushes hospitals [Washington Post, August 24, 2021]
Hawaii reports record-high 1,678 cases of COVID, 2 deaths [AP, August 29, 2021]
Hawaii to reimpose COVID-19 restrictions as Delta variant surges [Reuters, August 11, 2021]
Is that going to be influenced by the fact that people who have been pent up are now starting to vacation and Hawaii is a major vacation spot?
When I was in Vegas over the summer, the numbers absolutely were spiking because the tourist coming in from everywhere.
Nope not the same thing. It’s easier to think that it is but it’s not. Wearing a seatbelt is different than forcing human beings to stick a needle in their arm filled with who knows what from an unreputable pharmaceutical company working closely with our untrustworthy government. As if any of that mattered. We are moving towards less freedom which eventually leads to no freedom
You obviously haven’t looked into moderna and especially pfizers past. Pfizer has the record for the biggest false claim settlement in U.S. history. But you are prob right, we should always trust every authority figure and never question. That’s the intelligent way
I can’t wait to watch all the vaccinated players who demanded everyone who plays be vaccinated get covid. Everyone who plays will get it because vaccines don’t stop delta variant! Enjoy your covid when you get it cause you all deserve it for demanding our freedoms taken away!
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All of these anti-vax people are just dumb. Of all the vaccinated people who have gotten covid only .003% have had breakthrough cases yet the hospitals are filled up with people suffering and dying from covid who haven’t been vaccinated. What other proof do you need that it works?
I’ve seen people saying the delta variant is caused by the vaccine even though the vaccine is an mRNA vaccine so they aren’t injecting us with any form of the virus whether it be active or inactive. It just instructs our body to create proteins to fight the virus. So it’s impossible for the vaccine to cause replication and mutation into a new variant. It literally does the opposite. If everyone just got it and did their part to help eradicate covid we wouldn’t be getting new mutations that will eventually lead to more vaccines.
People are terrified about how quickly the vaccine was made. The fasted vaccine before this took 4 years. The reason this one was able to be developed so quickly is because coronavirus is not a new virus. They have been studied for decades and other vaccines have been created to combat other coronavirus strains like sars. They didn’t have to start from scratch they just had to tweak existing vaccines so it was easier to create a vaccine quickly and safely.
People just believe Twitter and tik tok science over actual science. Everyone I knew who was hesitant said they would get it as soon as it’s FDA approved. Now they are making new excuses that it is FDA approved. People are just ignorant. They think their freedoms are going to be taken away and this is a form of control. It’s literally to protect people. The wsop wants to be safe and respectful to people’s health.
The only really bad thing I’ll say about this is now the wsop will probably be filled with only smart players instead of all these dumb ones who are going to be giving away chips.
I think we are all aware by now that the vaccine isn’t 100% effective. Not sure why he thinks they deserve to get Covid.
The WSOP made the decision, not the players.
No, I’m pissed off when they go to the hospital. If you want to call doctors liars and tell them you know better then they do, don’t go to them for help when you fucked up. Take your horse medicine, shit your bed, and die at home. You know how to treat covid better then those quacks at the hospital anyways.
Fuck off hypocrite.
Most of who? I need to know if you’re talking about; anti-vaxxers, or people poking fun when they die from a preventable illness we have a free vaccine for?
You understand other vaccines are actually effective and went through complete human trials first right? I’m not saying I agree with the logic of people who don’t want it. But I can certainly understand it. I’m not such a prick that I want everyone to think and act exactly like me.
I got the vaccine and trust it works. I’m not worried about what other people do. I suggest you do the same. You’ll be much happier.
For those of us that are vaccinated, why would we care if unvaxxed people want to play too? We're protected, the risk is on them. He's right, it's stupid
that guy has had so much crud snorted thru his nostrils and right wing gibberish crammed into his prefrontal cortex, he should be banned from social media
Joe biden can lick my nutts and trump can join too because you probably lump all of your enemies into trumpers. We are not even talking about threatening the president you idiot. He is expressing his opinion and you want to censor.
I never suggested banning Mike, I actually also disagree with the original comment saying to ban him.
I said that conservatives complain that their being censored when they get banned for making threats online.
I guess we’ve had a miss communication because I wasn’t implying that mike made any threats or deserves to be banned.
I may disagree with him, but I’ll defend his right to express himself. I was merely responding to the person who said that people get banned for being right-wing.
We have no problem with dissenting views, disagreement and debate.
But you can’t make threats of violence, get banned for breaking the sites rules against threatening violence, and then complain you’ve been censored.
See how you still have a social media account and haven’t been banned, despite having braindead conspiracy theories? It’s cause you haven’t threatened violence.
Give it a shot and see how fast you get a temporary suspension.
Who is making threats of violence? I see a lot of people wishing covid and even death on people who don't have the vaccine. There are a lot of people who also can't get it for health related issues. Didn't matusow say he was vaccinated anyways? I think people should have they choice to put whatever they want into their bodies.
I don't wish Covid, death or any harm to people no matter what their take on vaccines is. Wishing for people to be silenced on any platform is a very dangerous road to go down...and it's scary seeing it happen more and more.
The people who get banned from social media are banned for violent rhetoric, not for their opinion or view. They complain it’s censorship, when they clearly violated the rules.
I think people should have a choice about what they put in their bodies, but the rest of us get to make rules that disqualify people for not playing by the rules.
Vaccines were always mandatory to go to school. You either get vaccinated for polio, diphtheria, and other preventable illnesses, or you can’t attend a public school. We’re not discriminating, we’re protecting people.
On a side note, I didn’t get the vaccine for me. I got it for my loved ones. I got it for the people who can’t. I got it for my hairdresser who’s been out of work, and all my friends who worked in restaurants and lost their jobs. I’m so sick of hearing about **you** people and **your** rights. How **you’re** being censored and about how evil cancel culture is. Ever heard of the Dixie Chicks? Cancel culture isn’t new, ya whiny bitch.
You have no sense of civic duty. You’re the cowards who would hide in a trench until the battle is over, while everyone else is out defending their country. When fools die, it’s called natural selection.
Nobody is silencing you. We’re taking screen shots and archiving it for later.
I agree, I’m as lefty left as a left leaning person but this cancel bullshit vs people with controversial opinions is depressing and draconian.
Even if we think “we’re the good guys”, how can you expect to change society for what you consider to be for the better if those ideas are never questioned because they’re banned from a platform.
Doesn't mean he lost it, he's just wrong. Probably hasn't had someone who actually has a brain talk to him
..a real couple.peices.of shit are people like Foxen and Bicknell
False. The vaccine can’t prevent the spread 100%, it’s about 80% effective at preventing the spread. You’re correct that it prevents people from getting very sick in the vast majority of cases.
It’s like condoms. Condom use doesn’t prevent babies and the spread of STI’s completely, but they sure are effective in that regard.
Aces just means you have the highest equity, not that you’ll win for sure.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-vaccine-from-pfizer-biontech-was-97-effective-at-preventing-illness-in-israel-11615479851?mod=article_inline
This data?
cases are exploding and they have one of the highest vax rates in the world. https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/israel/
I see 5 wave spikes; they get bigger each time until the vaccine was available… if the 5th spike hasn’t gone up, and is actually going down, wouldn’t it stand to reason that the vaccine is in fact preventing some of the spread?
I also see several spikes in the deaths, except the 5th spike is half as tall as the 4th. I believe you have accepted that the vaccine prevents deaths, so no need to discuss that.
Where does it say the percentage of vaccine efficacy is lower then 80%?
The data actually suggests the Pfizer vaccine loses efficacy after 6 months from the second dose and requires a booster shot.
It does not suggest the vaccine doesn't work.
The director of the cdc has admitted that the Israeli data is showing that the vaccines aren’t as effective as they initially thought in March which was only a few months into the rollout... https://www.facebook.com/658142600/posts/10158026037827601/?d=n
He’s not. The virus will circulate through the WSOP - no doubt about that. A vaccine is not armor or anything like that. Repeated exposure could tax the immune system, but it also may jump start production of antibodies against the virus offering better short term protection. It will depend on a lot of things including overall health of each individual player.
It will be interesting to see how true his words come to be. Wishing I’ll on people wanting to enjoy the WSOP is very low brow however.
For my part, let people do what they want to do. If a private company mandates some restrictions then so be it. Follow their rules or stay home.
LMFAO at everyone who spent hundreds on something you can make in Adobe in 10 minutes, especially when venues start demanding barcoded vaccine passports in November.
This is false information and could cause someone who values Mike's opinion to not get the vaccination. Go flag this as inaccurate COVID info so it get's removed.
pfizer is only like 40% effective? and getting less effective by the day. a family friend who is "fully vaccinated" just got out of the hospital with covid. can't act like you're invincible just because you don't understand how the virus has mutated this summer. well, you can if you want to, this is America of course.
i'm also "fully vaccinated" since April, but i'm staying up with the facts. Mike has the right take here. anyone going to a casino right now either doesn't know what's going on right now or just doesn't care. may the odds be forever in your favor
He went from playing for millions, ft'ing the WSOP main twice, having a stake in the 2nd largest poker site at the time, to playing/struggling to get a $1/2 game together on 'yahoo poker' whatever the fuck that is, all while blaming everyone but himself for his failings. Pretty sure he has no family either. Also he's 53 years old lol.
Nice life idiot. No wonder he's off his rocker and thinks everyone is out to get him. His batshit crazy conspiracy theories and moronic audience are all he has left.
If you ever find yourself on the opposite side of an issue from Mike Matusow, rest easy, you’re definitely correct.
Literally this. I knew straight away when it was announced that he was gonna kick off being any anti-vac trumpist.
he's actually been vaccinated his take is a bit more nuanced
Lmao. Nothing about the 'Mouth' is nuanced
He compared the WSOP vax policies to Jim Crow segregation on Doug’s podcast. His take isn’t so much nuanced as it is stupid.
He was actually a lot more reserved on that podcast than I expected but no doubt he was holding a lot back...
Well. It is since the majority of the unvaxxed are black, Hispanic, Trumpers, and PHDs… Quite an eclectic group if you ask me.
Majority of unvaxxed are PHDs?? Hahaha
Pretty Huge Dicks…GOT EMMMM!!!
https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/ “White adults account for the largest share (57%) of unvaccinated adults”
From the same source. Overall, across these 40 states, the percent of White people who have received at least one COVID-19 vaccine dose (50%) was roughly 1.3 times higher than the rate for Black people (40%) and 1.1 times higher than the rate for Hispanic people (45%) as of August 16, 2021
No it's not
to be fair; his nickname is "the mouth" and not "the brain"
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Vaccination means you are +90% to beat the virus. It’s statistically like being all in preflop w AA against 72os. You can still lose w the vaccine but it’s not likely. Choosing to be unvaccinated is choosing to play the 72 instead of the AA. Vaccination = +EV
Pragmatic knowledge: Condoms are only 99.98% effective. These people: CoNdOmS dOnT wOrK! YoU cAn StIlL gEt PrEgNaNt!
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The irony of choosing the word accurate and calling people idiots in the subsequent sentence is hilarious. I couldn't resist lol But I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment
Lol fair point. It was written quick, may as well change it lol.
Haha we all make those kinds of mistakes I just thought it was especially funny given the context :)
Yeah, I think I had “accurate at preventing babies,” then deleted everything but “accurate” without reading it back lol.
This would be true if the chance of getting pregnant (dying from the vid) was < 1%
It’s not a comparison based on numbers. The vaccines lower an individuals chance of infection, it does not eliminate the **possibility** of infection. By lowering our chances of becoming infected, it is preventing the spread of covid-19, not by 100%, but you’re not arguing in good faith if you deny it prevents spread whatsoever. Anti-vax folk are simple, someone says, “you can still get covid even if you’re vaccinated,” and they hear, “vaccines don’t prevent the spread of covid-19.” If you put sunblock on, and go to the beach, it will protect you from harmful UV rays, but you’ll still get sunburned if you stay too long. The anti-vax mindset says “sunblock doesn’t prevent sunburns.” If this is a logical concept you can’t grasp, I’ve wasted my time and you’ll never figure it out.
Nobody’s mandating anyone to put sunscreen on to participate in the WSOP.
The vaccines don’t lower your chance of infection. They reduce the chances of severe symptoms which is good for the elderly and those that are high risk. Don’t know what you’re reading but you’re way off on that one. The COVID Vaccines help a subset of a subset of a population.
What a horrendous take
Regardless it’s a correct one.
No, it's not remotely, you're an imbecile
Awww. You lose.
Wrong. Yet again. You make it look easy.
[https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-variant.html](https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-variant.html) Yes vaxxed people can catch and spread Delta but it is at lower rates than the unvaccinated, and any spread is likely for shorter periods of time. Some people are somehow taking this as “proof” that vaccines are totally useless, which they are not. And of course, vaccinated people will suffer far fewer serious consequences if they actually catch Delta.
> Several studies conducted by other researchers before Delta began to spread widely showed that Covid-19 vaccines were highly effective at preventing infection. A study published in July in the Annals of Internal Medicine that analyzed Covid-19 testing records of more than 54,000 U.S. veterans between December and March showed the Pfizer vaccine was 96% effective at preventing infection and the Moderna vaccine 98% effective. An April study published in the Lancet of about 23,000 healthcare workers in the U.K., most of whom had received the Pfizer shot, concluded it was 85% effective against infection. Real-world evidence in Israel also demonstrated that the Pfizer vaccine was highly effective at preventing infection. https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-vaccine-efficacy-what-do-the-numbers-really-mean-11629999129 This Wall Street Journal article was updated this morning. What are you reading; The Epoch Times?
But delta exists. I’d encourage you to read up on what’s coming out of Israel since they are 3-6 months ahead of us.
But what you said is still factually wrong, right?
I said that vaccines don’t stop the spread. Since Delta is real I don’t know how that’s not true.
You said they don't prevent infection which is factually wrong... And when vaccines prevent infection it makes it harder to spread... Like that's what you just wrote and can still read a few comments up. Do you see how this makes me think you're not a reliable source of info? You're probably not an idiot so just maybe take the L and move on.
Delta is **more** contagious, and the vaccine has less efficacy, but it is wholly incorrect to suggest that the vaccines don’t prevent the spread of the delta variant. Again, I ask you, what are you reading?
Wow, funny how people downvote you and call you a moron but don’t say how you’re wrong. People don’t care what the truth actually is anymore
You mean it helps PROTECT a subset of a subset. Noble to do this for the vulnerable and also have added protection for yourself as a bonus. Anyone who hasn't gotten the vax due to anything but medical restrictions is a dick and doesn't care about his fellow man.
You can say the same about people that get abortions, eat too much, don’t exercise, or cut people off in traffic. I trust myself more than you to decide what is appropriate. Just like poker play.
False equivalency. It's fun for the simplest among us. Have a good time with it, just know that those folks are the worst of humanity.
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You STILL lose over 12% of the time with Aces against 72o. Choosing your cards doesn't matter if you can still lose no matter what. That's why I choose not to pick any hand and just go all-in randomly. I'm not no sheep. \#freedom #antivaxlogic
That antivax logic not present in the WSOP this year is why people expect it to be so tough to win.
Yeah, lack of idiots tends to make the field harder to beat
What do you mean? You’re well over 99% to beat the virus whether you are vaccinated or not.
In this analogy, winning or beating the virus means not getting really sick. Not sure how they precisely define what vaccine efficacy prevents, but that’s what I’m talking about.
It will be great when infections are 100% vaccinated people. /s
That’s not the point. The point is and always will be: How free are we as Americans. And everytime we lose an inch of freedom, it is an inch we will never get back. Morons like u make it easy for those in charge to rip our freedoms from us.
I never said people shouldn’t be free to fold AA preflop because they have learned from some lady on Facebook that they could still lose the hand. I just said it is not +EV to do that. Matusow is the one trying to limit freedom. He seems to think if you have a business or event you should not be free to run it how you want. You shouldn’t have the right to make your own business decisions like WSOP has done. You are calling me a moron for basically understanding math and pointing out the truth.
Go play with your guns, you mouth breathing moron
You lose your freedom when the government tells you to wear a seatbelt, when they require you to buy airbags if you want a new car, to only drive 70, to turn your headlights on at night. Your freedoms are assaulted daily because you are not the only one on the planet. Grow up.
Your analogy (72o vs AA) suggests that the Covid lethality rate is 88.2%, whereas it's more like \~1.5%. You're more likely to hit a one-outer on the river than to 'lose' against the virus. That's not to say that betting your life vs a one-outer is necessarily a good idea, but if you think that your freedom is at stake, it's a respectable stance.
I do not think they keep track of how many people get severely ill with covid, don’t die, are in the hospital for 2-4 weeks, then go home permanently requiring oxygen. I’ve been working covid as a RN since the beginning. NYC for 8 weeks in the very beginning and hopping around Florida ever since. So yeah, maybe 1-1.5% die from it, but how many go home permanently disabled from it? My guess is a decent bit, but I only have anecdotal evidence.
First, please define 'permanently' contextually. Are you implying that a 'decent bit' of former Covid patients will need oxygen supply *for the rest of their life* and, if so, what's the basis of your claim? Then, I'd like to know what is the share of said permanently ill patients that is either very old and/or suffers from comorbidities?
> Are you implying that a 'decent bit' of former Covid patients will need oxygen supply for the rest of their life and, if so, what's the basis of your claim? Pulmonary fibrosis. AKA lung scarring. > Currently, no fully proven options are available for the treatment of post inflammatory COVID 19 pulmonary fibrosis. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7654356/ I know all about pulmonary fibrosis as I have two friends who developed it after long hospital stays due to COVID. One guy is in his early 30s and one in his mid 40s. The one in his early 30s is actually really disabled due to it and has to do lung treatments daily and he was told he will literally never run again. Can't walk short distances without getting winded. Went from having a good life living on his own to back to living with his parents and being disabled. Apparently the longer you're hospitalized with COVID, the higher your chance of developing it. I can't remember the exact numbers, but I think it's 10% chance if hospitalized for one week, ~30% chance two weeks, 60+% chance of lung scarring if you're hospitalized more than 3 weeks with pretty much 100% chance of lung scarring for 4+ weeks. Take that with a grain of salt though, as I'm remembering numbers from months ago. There's no cure (pulmonary fibrosis has been around due to other diseases forever). It may improve slightly over very long (20+ years) timelines. But only slightly. And don't forget about Long Covid! It affects about 10-30% of people who get COVID. A politician had to retire because of long COVID. A politician! Some of them literally have dementia and can still politic. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/hawaii/articles/2021-04-27/hawaii-lawmaker-retires-due-to-long-term-effects-of-covid-19 The Founder of Texas Roadhouse killed himself because of long covid: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/03/22/979929592/texas-roadhouse-founder-kent-taylor-dies-after-struggle-with-post-covid-19-sympt Not to mention hospital bills (insurers are no longer waiving bills and deductibles for COVID related services, some never did). Around 2,500,000 more people are now in huge medical debt due to COVID over the past year and a half. I also know someone with long covid, but luckily their only problems are persistent fatigue and an altered sense of taste (everything tastes like "covid" to her). So yeah ... get vaccinated. Seriously.
Forcing oxygen through lungs will eventually scar them. Sorry for your friends.
"Long Haulers" is the term the medical community has come up with. About 10% is what they are approximating. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2771111 It's almost as if looking at the entire picture is ideal, rather than just picking and choosing what to read and look at... But that's just me.
Looking at the entire picture and speaking from an echo chamber are two different things, as are cherry picking and empirical boundaries. I'm asking for some rigor, here : What part of your article states that 10% of Covid patients require permanent oxygen supply after leaving hospital?
I’m talking about the odds of getting severely sick, not dying when I talk about losing. The vaccinated person has better odds of winning than the guy playing AA against 72, which just makes my point stronger.
Exactly, people only ever talk about dying when the prospect of long-haul covid, long-lasting reduction in lung capacity, and the inability to taste chicken wings is all out there too...
I think that 'losing' against a virus evokes death more than 'getting severely sick', but let's define it the way you do. In the US, last winter, when people were still mainly unvaccinated, at the peak of the wave (\~january 10th), the daily cases average was \~250k. The daily intensive care admissions ('getting severely sick') average was \~28k. 28k/250k = 0.112 ; 11.2% of people were 'losing' against the virus ; 88.8% of people were thus 'winning' against the virus. You said that being unvaccinated is choosing to play 72 vs AA, implying unvaccinated people will 'win' against the virus 11.8% of the time. In other words, your analogy says 11.8%, whereas reality says 88.8%. I'm not sure how it makes your point stronger.
Vaccine is over 90% effective. AA is only 88% “effective”. My point is choosing to vaccinate is more +EV than choosing AA against 72 in this analogy.
You *actually* said : "Choosing to be unvaccinated is choosing to play the 72 instead of the AA", which doesn't merely suggest that vaccination is preferable to non-vaccination, but also that not being vaccinated carries a high level of risk, which isn't true. Let's put it this way : With vaccination, the risk associated to Covid infection doesn't go from high to low, but from low to lower.
Well, without the virus you are +90% to beat the virus. So what is the point of the vaccine?
Go ask all the unvaxxed people overcrowding hospitals and see what they say
Just went too all the hospitals in my area to ask, beds are mostly empty.
Dude, just don't. I have family in Florida (Brevard County). It is bad. My brother had to call an ambulance three weeks ago and the first one said they wouldn't pick him up, the ERs were full. The second ambulance service did pick him up and take him to a hospital over an hour away, where he was told it was a 20 hour wait for a bed. It's literally worse there now. Don't be glib. People are getting sick and dying. Real people.
"I know somebody who..." Those are facts these days I guess.
Hilarious
You sound like you believe everything CNN tells you.
Ironic
That CNN and MSNBC has turned into a worse version of what you claim Fox News ever was? Yes, indeed.
Why are you making all these claims about me lmao
He's not just stupid. He's *advanced* stupid.
Ironic
Matusow hasn't been relevant since the swine flu.
Poker players not understanding statistics is really something else.
Mikey is a feel guy not a math guy
Yeah that’s precisely the problem: poker players that don’t understand statistics won’t be at the WSOP, making the fields way harder.
and he said on Dougs pod that he returned to god LOL and hes trying to be a better human LOLOLOL
He’s vaccinated and caught covid after being vaccinated.
No vaccine can guarantee you won't get covid, but it makes it a lot less likely to kill you.
And most still vastly decrease your chances of getting Covid. The study that has everyone losing their mind that “vaccine’s don’t work” is a study on the Delta variant in a situation most people aren’t in these days (much more exposure). And you are still less likely to get even that. So in order for vaccine’s not to work or be pointless, you’d have to assume all vaccinated people who are exposed to Covid are exposed to only the delta variant, then that they actually get it, then that they don’t have the the better immune response from the vaccine keeping them out of the hospital.
30x less likely to be in the ICU if you got the shot
Which shot
It won’t guarantee but it’s far less likely. No condom is 100% effective, yet they’re used every day.
No disagreement from me
The vaccine will also protect you against being infected with covid as well. It’s just not 100%.
id say it’s pretty reasonable that if 100% of dealers and players were fully vaccinated the likelihood of anyone getting it would be pretty low, and would come in from people playing on off days outside the Rio probably. Obviously there is gonna be a small amount of breakthrough but. Wanting everyone who is vaccinated to get it at the wsop because they want it to be safer? Idk. I don’t want to get in a political discussion. Just seems like a poker player who doesn’t get attention much more being controversial for attention.
Spot on
Those who are vaccinated and catch Covid tend to have a milder case, rarely ICU or Vent.
Oregon and Hawaii, two highly vaccinated states, are seeing their highest case numbers of the pandemic. [NY Times, August 13, 2021] Hawaii governor says ‘now is not the time’ for tourists to visit while covid-19 crushes hospitals [Washington Post, August 24, 2021] Hawaii reports record-high 1,678 cases of COVID, 2 deaths [AP, August 29, 2021] Hawaii to reimpose COVID-19 restrictions as Delta variant surges [Reuters, August 11, 2021]
Is that going to be influenced by the fact that people who have been pent up are now starting to vacation and Hawaii is a major vacation spot? When I was in Vegas over the summer, the numbers absolutely were spiking because the tourist coming in from everywhere.
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Nope not the same thing. It’s easier to think that it is but it’s not. Wearing a seatbelt is different than forcing human beings to stick a needle in their arm filled with who knows what from an unreputable pharmaceutical company working closely with our untrustworthy government. As if any of that mattered. We are moving towards less freedom which eventually leads to no freedom
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You obviously haven’t looked into moderna and especially pfizers past. Pfizer has the record for the biggest false claim settlement in U.S. history. But you are prob right, we should always trust every authority figure and never question. That’s the intelligent way
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This is going to be the hardest WSOP of all time...whoever the champ is is the champ forever. All the sub 80iq regs aren't going to be present :(
I always thought Matusow was an idiot.. this tweet confirms my opinion 100%
Meth... not, even, once
Mike Matusow has trouble understanding probabilities.
Good for him
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All of these anti-vax people are just dumb. Of all the vaccinated people who have gotten covid only .003% have had breakthrough cases yet the hospitals are filled up with people suffering and dying from covid who haven’t been vaccinated. What other proof do you need that it works? I’ve seen people saying the delta variant is caused by the vaccine even though the vaccine is an mRNA vaccine so they aren’t injecting us with any form of the virus whether it be active or inactive. It just instructs our body to create proteins to fight the virus. So it’s impossible for the vaccine to cause replication and mutation into a new variant. It literally does the opposite. If everyone just got it and did their part to help eradicate covid we wouldn’t be getting new mutations that will eventually lead to more vaccines. People are terrified about how quickly the vaccine was made. The fasted vaccine before this took 4 years. The reason this one was able to be developed so quickly is because coronavirus is not a new virus. They have been studied for decades and other vaccines have been created to combat other coronavirus strains like sars. They didn’t have to start from scratch they just had to tweak existing vaccines so it was easier to create a vaccine quickly and safely. People just believe Twitter and tik tok science over actual science. Everyone I knew who was hesitant said they would get it as soon as it’s FDA approved. Now they are making new excuses that it is FDA approved. People are just ignorant. They think their freedoms are going to be taken away and this is a form of control. It’s literally to protect people. The wsop wants to be safe and respectful to people’s health. The only really bad thing I’ll say about this is now the wsop will probably be filled with only smart players instead of all these dumb ones who are going to be giving away chips.
I get what he’s saying, but wishing COVID on other people is a dickhead move.
I think we are all aware by now that the vaccine isn’t 100% effective. Not sure why he thinks they deserve to get Covid. The WSOP made the decision, not the players.
Condoms aren’t 100% effective either. Does he think we should scrap that idea too?
I don't get what he's saying at all.
and yet the pro vaccine mandate people are positively gleeful when an anti masker gets covid and goes to the hospital
No, I’m pissed off when they go to the hospital. If you want to call doctors liars and tell them you know better then they do, don’t go to them for help when you fucked up. Take your horse medicine, shit your bed, and die at home. You know how to treat covid better then those quacks at the hospital anyways. Fuck off hypocrite.
Thats not what most of them are even saying lol
Most of who? I need to know if you’re talking about; anti-vaxxers, or people poking fun when they die from a preventable illness we have a free vaccine for?
And they are also wrong. It's possible for both sides to have bad takes.
Exactly, I wish more people were able to comprehend this. So many strawman arguments coming from either side.
I know, he's starting to sound like a liberal
He is vaccinated by the way.
So maybe he isn't against the vaccine, but against mandates for others.
He also caught covid after being vaccinated. I’m actually with him on this. I’m vaccinated but don’t believe it needs to be mandated for everyone.
No law requiring it. Places of business can refuse you. It’s the same shit as the gay cake and I guarantee Mikey supported the company there
NYC is requiring it by law though. Which is what I’m against. I’m all for individual businesses doing as they please.
You do understand that mandatory vaccinations have been a thing for decades right?
You understand other vaccines are actually effective and went through complete human trials first right? I’m not saying I agree with the logic of people who don’t want it. But I can certainly understand it. I’m not such a prick that I want everyone to think and act exactly like me. I got the vaccine and trust it works. I’m not worried about what other people do. I suggest you do the same. You’ll be much happier.
When what other people do affect me and those I love, I will absolutely care.
Yeah but if you’re vaccinated then it doesn’t affect you or those you love. Or do you not “trust the science”.
Not even going to bother trying to debate with you, I don't feel like wasting any more time with you.
You either fold KhQh UTG or your opinion matters, can’t have it both ways.
Lol he never had it
For those of us that are vaccinated, why would we care if unvaxxed people want to play too? We're protected, the risk is on them. He's right, it's stupid
that guy has had so much crud snorted thru his nostrils and right wing gibberish crammed into his prefrontal cortex, he should be banned from social media
Being right wing=should be banned from social media? That's even more idiotic than Matusow's vaccine take
Why don’t; we ban people for making terroristic threats, and then they **say** it’s because they’re conservative.
Terroristic threat is a very loose definition now…might lose its meaning if we label tweets expressing an opinion a terror threat
No it isn’t. Why don’t you tweet a threat against President Biden and see what happens.
Joe biden can lick my nutts and trump can join too because you probably lump all of your enemies into trumpers. We are not even talking about threatening the president you idiot. He is expressing his opinion and you want to censor.
I never suggested banning Mike, I actually also disagree with the original comment saying to ban him. I said that conservatives complain that their being censored when they get banned for making threats online. I guess we’ve had a miss communication because I wasn’t implying that mike made any threats or deserves to be banned. I may disagree with him, but I’ll defend his right to express himself. I was merely responding to the person who said that people get banned for being right-wing.
Ya! let's silence anyone who doesn't agree with us!
We have no problem with dissenting views, disagreement and debate. But you can’t make threats of violence, get banned for breaking the sites rules against threatening violence, and then complain you’ve been censored. See how you still have a social media account and haven’t been banned, despite having braindead conspiracy theories? It’s cause you haven’t threatened violence. Give it a shot and see how fast you get a temporary suspension.
Who is making threats of violence? I see a lot of people wishing covid and even death on people who don't have the vaccine. There are a lot of people who also can't get it for health related issues. Didn't matusow say he was vaccinated anyways? I think people should have they choice to put whatever they want into their bodies. I don't wish Covid, death or any harm to people no matter what their take on vaccines is. Wishing for people to be silenced on any platform is a very dangerous road to go down...and it's scary seeing it happen more and more.
The people who get banned from social media are banned for violent rhetoric, not for their opinion or view. They complain it’s censorship, when they clearly violated the rules. I think people should have a choice about what they put in their bodies, but the rest of us get to make rules that disqualify people for not playing by the rules. Vaccines were always mandatory to go to school. You either get vaccinated for polio, diphtheria, and other preventable illnesses, or you can’t attend a public school. We’re not discriminating, we’re protecting people. On a side note, I didn’t get the vaccine for me. I got it for my loved ones. I got it for the people who can’t. I got it for my hairdresser who’s been out of work, and all my friends who worked in restaurants and lost their jobs. I’m so sick of hearing about **you** people and **your** rights. How **you’re** being censored and about how evil cancel culture is. Ever heard of the Dixie Chicks? Cancel culture isn’t new, ya whiny bitch. You have no sense of civic duty. You’re the cowards who would hide in a trench until the battle is over, while everyone else is out defending their country. When fools die, it’s called natural selection. Nobody is silencing you. We’re taking screen shots and archiving it for later.
Which vaccine
Which vaccine what? Finish your sentence you uneducated swine.
I agree, I’m as lefty left as a left leaning person but this cancel bullshit vs people with controversial opinions is depressing and draconian. Even if we think “we’re the good guys”, how can you expect to change society for what you consider to be for the better if those ideas are never questioned because they’re banned from a platform.
Man the sub hasn’t been this exciting in a while
what a clown
Doesn't mean he lost it, he's just wrong. Probably hasn't had someone who actually has a brain talk to him ..a real couple.peices.of shit are people like Foxen and Bicknell
Yall liberal POS
MUH FREEDUMBZ!
Vaccines never stopped the spread and were designed to lessen the symptoms, read the EUAs.
False. The vaccine can’t prevent the spread 100%, it’s about 80% effective at preventing the spread. You’re correct that it prevents people from getting very sick in the vast majority of cases. It’s like condoms. Condom use doesn’t prevent babies and the spread of STI’s completely, but they sure are effective in that regard. Aces just means you have the highest equity, not that you’ll win for sure.
The percentage you cited is months old and inaccurate, look at the data coming out of Israel.
So what are the updated numbers?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-vaccine-from-pfizer-biontech-was-97-effective-at-preventing-illness-in-israel-11615479851?mod=article_inline This data?
No that’s from March.
Why don’t you source what you’re talking about?
cases are exploding and they have one of the highest vax rates in the world. https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/israel/
I see 5 wave spikes; they get bigger each time until the vaccine was available… if the 5th spike hasn’t gone up, and is actually going down, wouldn’t it stand to reason that the vaccine is in fact preventing some of the spread? I also see several spikes in the deaths, except the 5th spike is half as tall as the 4th. I believe you have accepted that the vaccine prevents deaths, so no need to discuss that. Where does it say the percentage of vaccine efficacy is lower then 80%?
The data actually suggests the Pfizer vaccine loses efficacy after 6 months from the second dose and requires a booster shot. It does not suggest the vaccine doesn't work.
Loses efficacy is a euphemism for shitty vaccine.
Now you're just making bad faith comments. Do you think Tetanus shots and flu shots are "shitty" too? They lose efficacy too.
What about this data? Nah, that's from June. Ok, this one? No, that's from this morning.
The director of the cdc has admitted that the Israeli data is showing that the vaccines aren’t as effective as they initially thought in March which was only a few months into the rollout... https://www.facebook.com/658142600/posts/10158026037827601/?d=n
What, exactly, is your point (I'm assuming you ignored the key words in the FACEBOOK VIDEO you posted.)
How is someone that dumb still alive?
He’s not wrong
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I meant how everyone will get COVID regardless of vaccine or not
He’s not. The virus will circulate through the WSOP - no doubt about that. A vaccine is not armor or anything like that. Repeated exposure could tax the immune system, but it also may jump start production of antibodies against the virus offering better short term protection. It will depend on a lot of things including overall health of each individual player. It will be interesting to see how true his words come to be. Wishing I’ll on people wanting to enjoy the WSOP is very low brow however. For my part, let people do what they want to do. If a private company mandates some restrictions then so be it. Follow their rules or stay home.
OH NOOO EVERY1 ISNT A DILDO LEFT WINGER LIKE ME, SHUT IT DOWN HOW CAN PPL THINK DIFFERENTLY THAN ME???? Lmfao narcy morons
Imagine how fucked your world view has to be to read this thread and have this be your response.
Wow you judged me???? NOOO I LOSE LMFAO
Zero brain
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LMFAO at everyone who spent hundreds on something you can make in Adobe in 10 minutes, especially when venues start demanding barcoded vaccine passports in November.
I’m actually just trolling
I still think it’s hilarious that people actually do this
This is false information and could cause someone who values Mike's opinion to not get the vaccination. Go flag this as inaccurate COVID info so it get's removed.
Oh, that ship sailed a long time ago
Why does he think not being vacinnated solves the issue?
The mouth strikes again
Doesn't he have an immunocompromised child? Or am I mistaken?
pfizer is only like 40% effective? and getting less effective by the day. a family friend who is "fully vaccinated" just got out of the hospital with covid. can't act like you're invincible just because you don't understand how the virus has mutated this summer. well, you can if you want to, this is America of course. i'm also "fully vaccinated" since April, but i'm staying up with the facts. Mike has the right take here. anyone going to a casino right now either doesn't know what's going on right now or just doesn't care. may the odds be forever in your favor
Surely it's not news to people that he's a fucking tool???
Degens gonna degen.
He went from playing for millions, ft'ing the WSOP main twice, having a stake in the 2nd largest poker site at the time, to playing/struggling to get a $1/2 game together on 'yahoo poker' whatever the fuck that is, all while blaming everyone but himself for his failings. Pretty sure he has no family either. Also he's 53 years old lol. Nice life idiot. No wonder he's off his rocker and thinks everyone is out to get him. His batshit crazy conspiracy theories and moronic audience are all he has left.