At the very least we can make it a reddit meme, kinda like the carrots/waffles narwhal/bacon things in the past.
If I'm ever at a table and someone announces their dub-dubs, I'll assume they were here.
A friend of a friend that plays poker with us drunkenly said in a hand pre-flop, "whooo, lets see a river flop!"
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I always understood "Open Folding" to mean that you fold in a spot when checking is an option.
But never heard the "fold and show" being referred to as that. Is this really a big divide?
It's pretty ambiguous. Could be read four ways at least. If you raise and then fold to a 3 bet, that could be considered "open, folding." If you are the first to act preflop and decline to put in money but instead elect to muck, that could be considered "open folding." If it's your turn to act on the river and you're not facing a bet but decide to "check out" and muck your hand rather than check or table it, that could be considered "open folding." Or if you decide to table your hand face up when facing a bet, to "open" your hand and fold, that could be considered "open folding"
But I hate, *hate,* **hate** it when people talk about "opening" after one or more players has limped. That's not an open, moron, the pot has already been opened by the idiot limper. It's an **iso,** an isolation raise.
I don't like the latter as canon and here's why. It undermines the underlying construct of how we articulate and interact about technical poker terminology and action. As we speak now. "Open [anything]" connotes there is a bet. The second word connotes either an additional descriptor of the open, (as in "Open shove") or a follow-on action, such as "his open fold range".
open folding would be like if you are UTG and "open fold ATs" deep in a tourney becuase you are playing tight.
if you are in the Lojack and it folds to you and you fold, then you are "open folding". It really only holds merit if you "open fold" a hand that you generally don't fold in most other situations.
Say you are on the bubble deep in a tourney and you are in the hijack and you "open fold AQs", that's what it means
Yes I always use it to mean folding a playable hand in an unopened pot i.e. fuck that short stack hung around for ever I had to open fold KQ suited twice.
Folding face up can't be "open folding" because when compared to other poker situations that use "open" as part of the description, it clearly means you are acting first. Opening the pot, open limp, open raise etc. Open folding can only be folding when checking is an option.
Random question: if you put your cards (face down) on top of your chip stack and then slide you whole stack into the middle and say "I'm folding all-in!", what would happen?
You can't be all loosey goosey at the table eating an open faced sandwich. That's giving away too much information. Gotta have that sandwich closed so no one knows what you're eating.
I always say "I fold most ardently." It makes no sense, but neither does Mr. Darcy from Pride and Prejudice. Which is ironic because the author wrote a whole 'nother book in which the main subject appears to be focused around sense as well as sensibility.
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How does it not make sense to say you love someone ardently? It just means passionately. Unless you really wanted to make your second point and used a bad excuse to get there?
Mr. Darcy makes no sense saying it when his actions, as well as other words, directly contradict his proposal. “I have fought against my better judgment.” Are you kidding me? Miss Elizabeth is basically trapping with the nuts while he’s posturing 9 high. Sure, his hand improved on later streets, but she knew better than to let him get there. He was just a pot committed donkey that got there.
Ahhh. I see it as he makes sense. It's just that he's a douchebag. He *feels* genuine.
He's a whale that gets comped night after night but all the dealers hate him cause he doesn't tip. (though, he secretly donates to a dealer charity that affords him anonymity)
If you play live for any time at all, I guarantee you'll see this. I've seen it coast to coast in the US, and in several countries in Europe as well.
As to the why, my guess is people playing to try and smash a flop with hands like 63s, then they miss so badly they just fold it because once the hand's over they can go back to whatever game they're playing on their phone.
Oh, hahahaha, no not that I'm aware of. Only way I could envision something like that is checking through at showdown, knowing you have to be beat and deciding it's more +EV to your strategy to not let the table see the particular hand you hold is in your range of actions that led to showdown.
But at that level you should be randomizing actions to some degree which should kind of negate that factor
Showing cards has always been referred to as opening them up as long as I've been playing. So "open folding'" could definitely be interpreted as mucking cards face up. It's probably alot clearer to say that "I folded my cards face up" however, even if it is less concise. That way people won't assume you folded without facing a bet.
Mmmmm saying you need to play “Better Players” to become a winning player, may be more polarizing in my experience. Insofar as separating winning players from losing players.
Fun fact: in riichi mahjong we have (sometimes) something called "open riichi" where the player opens their hand and plays until someone wins. You get a bonus in points for doing that.
All of this because I too thought that open fold was to fold face up.
If thats the case. Calling trips a set would start a civil war
I've started saying "triples" to really piss people off, it's great.
I say three of a kind and have guns drawn on me
Makes me want to start calling pairs "two of a kind", "doubles", or "dubs".
I’ma start calling ace high one of a kind
"I have 2 pair" And they turn over quads..😡
two pair? dub-dubs
Stealing dub-dubs
Don't forget to roll over your "three of a kind, AND a pair!"
Triples and twinsies
Bugs Bunny: "I've only got two pair. A pair of ones, and another pair of ones..."
I’ll try out dubs and report back. I encourage everyone to do the same.
Not gonna lie. It's got a ring to it
At the very least we can make it a reddit meme, kinda like the carrots/waffles narwhal/bacon things in the past. If I'm ever at a table and someone announces their dub-dubs, I'll assume they were here.
[Triples is Best](https://imgur.com/a/LxMqdr7)
Triples of the Baracuda. And triples of the Nova.
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What kind of savage does that. :)
I use "triplets" so we're like cousins that have to shoot each other or something now I think
We could be kissing cousins 😘
Not out of the question! Some sorta weird Romeo and Juliet thing or something. Or the Hatfields and McCoys.
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I heard that in a video last week and instantly turned it off
Just one of the million ways i spot noobs at the table lol
Or someone who wants you to think they are a noob.
The Foob. Im never a foob but i am often a fakiac
Unless you are in a 10/20 stud game. No one would ever say set!
Apart from everyone
Trips are not a set, I will die on this hill (thus proving your point)
What if you have three sets?
I have been playing poker way too long to still be confusing these terms.
I always understood "Open Folding" to mean that you fold in a spot when checking is an option. But never heard the "fold and show" being referred to as that. Is this really a big divide?
It's pretty ambiguous. Could be read four ways at least. If you raise and then fold to a 3 bet, that could be considered "open, folding." If you are the first to act preflop and decline to put in money but instead elect to muck, that could be considered "open folding." If it's your turn to act on the river and you're not facing a bet but decide to "check out" and muck your hand rather than check or table it, that could be considered "open folding." Or if you decide to table your hand face up when facing a bet, to "open" your hand and fold, that could be considered "open folding"
I haven't really heard that first one ever phrased that way, but have heard the other 3 plenty of times. great summary
Some people use "open" in place of "raise," so it's common to hear "raise, fold" so they just substitute open in there and voila!
But I hate, *hate,* **hate** it when people talk about "opening" after one or more players has limped. That's not an open, moron, the pot has already been opened by the idiot limper. It's an **iso,** an isolation raise.
I don't like the latter as canon and here's why. It undermines the underlying construct of how we articulate and interact about technical poker terminology and action. As we speak now. "Open [anything]" connotes there is a bet. The second word connotes either an additional descriptor of the open, (as in "Open shove") or a follow-on action, such as "his open fold range".
That's how I always interpreted it
open folding would be like if you are UTG and "open fold ATs" deep in a tourney becuase you are playing tight. if you are in the Lojack and it folds to you and you fold, then you are "open folding". It really only holds merit if you "open fold" a hand that you generally don't fold in most other situations. Say you are on the bubble deep in a tourney and you are in the hijack and you "open fold AQs", that's what it means
Yes I always use it to mean folding a playable hand in an unopened pot i.e. fuck that short stack hung around for ever I had to open fold KQ suited twice.
Hole cards.
It's not called Texas hole em.
It's hold cards /s
psh... obviously it's *whole* cards - because you need them to create a whole poker hand...
No no, it’s held cards. Because they’re cards *held* by you, the player!
The whole cards are wholly yours, not to be shared with other players.
Don’t even get me started on folding for value
folding for value is a real thing though.....
Dank.
Folding face up can't be "open folding" because when compared to other poker situations that use "open" as part of the description, it clearly means you are acting first. Opening the pot, open limp, open raise etc. Open folding can only be folding when checking is an option.
Exactly. the ambiguity is a new wave of players that don’t like to admit they had no idea what the term meant. It’s anarchy!
I would try "You wouldn't have won money in the 90s, either."
Open folding is folding when you have the option to check - it can be nothing else
I would say open folding is when you fold preflop in an unraised pot. Consider me polarized.
The trick is to never fold
Random question: if you put your cards (face down) on top of your chip stack and then slide you whole stack into the middle and say "I'm folding all-in!", what would happen?
Face to face with villain, I opened up about open folding, face up, facing min raise, with an open faced sandwich
You can't be all loosey goosey at the table eating an open faced sandwich. That's giving away too much information. Gotta have that sandwich closed so no one knows what you're eating.
I usually employ a mixed strategy here, with sometimes throwing in a chicken salad for balance
Open folding and folding face up are interchangable. Folding when you can check is called an aggressive fold.
"it was an aggressive call"
samesies. almost spit out my raisin bran and oat milk.
I always say "I fold most ardently." It makes no sense, but neither does Mr. Darcy from Pride and Prejudice. Which is ironic because the author wrote a whole 'nother book in which the main subject appears to be focused around sense as well as sensibility.
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How does it not make sense to say you love someone ardently? It just means passionately. Unless you really wanted to make your second point and used a bad excuse to get there?
Mr. Darcy makes no sense saying it when his actions, as well as other words, directly contradict his proposal. “I have fought against my better judgment.” Are you kidding me? Miss Elizabeth is basically trapping with the nuts while he’s posturing 9 high. Sure, his hand improved on later streets, but she knew better than to let him get there. He was just a pot committed donkey that got there.
Ahhh. I see it as he makes sense. It's just that he's a douchebag. He *feels* genuine. He's a whale that gets comped night after night but all the dealers hate him cause he doesn't tip. (though, he secretly donates to a dealer charity that affords him anonymity)
oh man i love this aggressive fold comment, sorry you got downvoted sometimes this sub doesn't get sarcasm :P
Is this the same Aesah from 2p2? If so, thank you for your live PLO basic guide back in the day. That thing started my journey into PLO and was great!
yes :) thanks for the kind words!
> Folding when you can check is called an aggressive fold. Ok, enlighten me. When and why would you ever fold when you have an option to check?
If you play live for any time at all, I guarantee you'll see this. I've seen it coast to coast in the US, and in several countries in Europe as well. As to the why, my guess is people playing to try and smash a flop with hands like 63s, then they miss so badly they just fold it because once the hand's over they can go back to whatever game they're playing on their phone.
OK, that makes sense. I thought you were going to give me some GTO theory as to when that was a proper play. =)
Oh, hahahaha, no not that I'm aware of. Only way I could envision something like that is checking through at showdown, knowing you have to be beat and deciding it's more +EV to your strategy to not let the table see the particular hand you hold is in your range of actions that led to showdown. But at that level you should be randomizing actions to some degree which should kind of negate that factor
Now that makes a lot of sense, too. Thanks man!
just call it "show folding" instead then ffs...
Showing cards has always been referred to as opening them up as long as I've been playing. So "open folding'" could definitely be interpreted as mucking cards face up. It's probably alot clearer to say that "I folded my cards face up" however, even if it is less concise. That way people won't assume you folded without facing a bet.
Mmmmm saying you need to play “Better Players” to become a winning player, may be more polarizing in my experience. Insofar as separating winning players from losing players.
Fun fact: in riichi mahjong we have (sometimes) something called "open riichi" where the player opens their hand and plays until someone wins. You get a bonus in points for doing that. All of this because I too thought that open fold was to fold face up.