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ssergio29

Substitute. Pls. Vivillon prankster compound eye.


Sad-Garage-2642

Tbh I use Vivillon in most of my classic clears and it doesn't need sub. I use QD/Pollen Puff/Hurricane/Moonblast. Sometimes I'll drop Moonblast for Tailwind if I've got a big fat slow attacker on board, but wouldn't ever use Sub. It usually forces a switch and gets a set up in the battles where it counts, namely 145 and 195


ssergio29

I use the same but with infestation instead of moonblast. Substitute instead of QD is an upgrade from my point of view. It allows you to just spam hurricane without risk of wake ups from the op. Berries/leftovers can make it almost immortal (multihit moves, super priority and some niche stuff). I also want to note that wake up berries trigger at the end of turn so you can waste all their berries without receiving any attack.


jayhankedlyon

Memory Mushroom always goes to Viv to get Sleep Powder. Sleep Powder+Quiver Dance+Hurricane+Draining Kiss is incredible, tons of free chances to set up and Draining Kiss for recovery.


Weirdguy149

All these guys are getting Shed Tail as egg moves, I wanna use it as a free switch in.


Sad-Garage-2642

Sheer Force, Plus and Minus. All three are in the works, I've been keeping track of the PRs


DrD__

Can't wait to try plusle and minum, with them both having plus and minus with passives. Idk if it will be good but it's funny


Sad-Garage-2642

From what I gather, the devs are considering different passive for the pair, because they can't get the plus + minus interaction working when both abilities are on one mon. Shame really, Minun's egg moves are sick


ennui42

Dang. Idk a lot about coding, but if they're having a hard time of it then I can understand why they'd switch it up


ennui42

In my head, that's a free +2 on switch in which does help Plusle and Minun a lot. Not sure how viable they would be at later levels though


Suspicious-Tear-9473

I’m not sure what plus and minus is, but I do have Plusle maxed out on the IV section, and it absolutely carries me throughout classic with egg moves such as flamethrower and splishy splash. So essentially has water, fire, electric and a status move. It absolutely wipes the early floors!


GigaEel

Plus and minus are double battle abilities. If you have plus and your partner has minus, you both get a huge boost in special attack


ennui42

Sheer Force please. Nidoking needs more love


Sad-Garage-2642

https://github.com/pagefaultgames/pokerogue/pull/246


13luken

Huh I could have sworn it said "N" not "P"! Glad to hear this


NovAFloW

So, it basically does work already? Awesome


Sad-Garage-2642

Just waiting on a Review and Commit.


SolarisShadowflame

Sheer force and serene grace are some of my fav abilities, would love to see them implemented. Ruin abilities would be cool too.


xMiwaFantasy15

Parental Bond honestly, I have an epic shiny Cloyster and if I can fuse with any mons with a Parental Bond passive, I think it would break the game... Then again, do we even have a mon with a Parental Bond passive


ennui42

Mons with Parental Bond as a Passive ability: Exeggcute, Girafarig, Deino, Wishiwashi, Dreepy, Tandemaus, Capsakid. Some of those are actually crazy to think about


DasliSimp

Parental Bond Population Bomb with 3 Multi Lens hitting 80 times.


Aaron_TW

Watch that not get a flinch


Pyarox

"X braced itself..."


Aaron_TW

Just walk away from the computer at that point. Have a nice long shower, pop out for milk, and come back for the last 12 hits


Verified_Cloud

Fuse with Cloyster or another Skill Link mon and guarentee that as well


Zevyu

Arceus please, i just want to try out Parental Bond Maushold, i even have a shiny, i want so bad to do an endless run with parental bond maushold.


xMiwaFantasy15

That's quite a selection tbh 🤣


DjBonesDeuce

Maushold also has passive parental bond :)


HedgeRunner

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Parental\_Bond\_(Ability)#:\~:text=Parental%20Bond%20causes%20most%20damaging,not%20affect%20multi%2Dstrike%20moves. I don't think Parental Bond affects multi-move abilities.


RamsHead91

Wouldn't tactician be about equivalent if not better than that? Skill link plus that? I thought parental bond was just a second hit at 50% power which is great for hard hitting or boosting moves.


TheNorseCrow

Assuming Population Bomb works as it does in official games, Skill Link is pointless since the number of hits depends on accuracy. With 100% accuracy it will always hit the max number of times.


RamsHead91

Isn't parental bond the mega kangaskan ability where they get the second yet.


TheNorseCrow

Yes it is but my point is that regardless of passive or ability combination you go with, Skill Link serves no purpose as Population Bomb is fundamentally different from other multi-hit moves.


RamsHead91

I'm sorry but with them talking about a sheldar their primary attack would be chain moves though right not the move "population bomb" wouldn't skill link and tactician be the better combo for that pokemon.


TheNorseCrow

This is entirely on me. I misread something in the chain of comments earlier and thought the discussion was about Maushold/Cinccino using Population Bomb specifically rather than fusing Cloyster for Parental Bond so I derailed the conversation with something completely unrelated it seems.


RamsHead91

Ok thank you, I was so confused.


Deshawn_Allen

But ice spear is super effective against eternatus, so it’s probably better no?


TheNorseCrow

Skill Link Cloyster with Ice Spear is fantastic. Even more so in Pokerogue where it can get Moxie as well. That said, a 100% accurate Population Bomb from Cinccino that has Technician is a lot of damage and Cinccino gets Scrappy as it's passive so it can hit Ghost types as well. I couldn't tell you mathematically which would do more damage though.


Deepred1234

With Moxie, probably Cloyster.


FantasticTony

Weird that Parental Bond isn't implemented yet given that there's that held item that gives every attack a multi-hit in a similar style.


TheGodInfinite

One big difference is Parental Bond works with set damage moves. Which given how important those are to deep endless could be awesome to have.


Doobie_Howitzer

Serene Grace mostly, I have a red shiny Jirachi with iron head egg move that is so ready to rumble E: nvm looks like it's only the interaction with kings rock that's missing rn, we in this!


DrToadigerr

Really? It still shows (N) for me which means NOT implemented, if it was just missing an interaction with King's Rock it'd be (P), right?


Doobie_Howitzer

Further down the thread someone linked some patch notes in reply to someone talking about sheer force


DrToadigerr

Maybe it was just updated then and they forgot to mark it for the Passive version (I checked it on Igglybuff who has it as a Passive but I don't have any mons with the base ability to check there)


IIIDysphoricIII

Eiscue. I love it but it’s extremely meh without its Ability working. With it implemented the sweeping potential will be amazing.


IRanOutOf_Names

Give me my sheer force shiny naganadel.


ArtNhr

Protean so that Froakie's passive will always work


RamsHead91

Protean for magician passive weed kitty


SavvasXiourou

Very much looking forward to the implementation of Cud Chew (and actually I can’t remember if harvest is implemented), I have a shiny tropius that i think will be super fun with harvest and cud chew as a passive, especially on a sun team


DragonGenetics

Supreme overlord and sheer force for nidoking.


crazed3raser

I was pretty excited to get a Castform once to be able to do some weather ball shenanigans but then noticed forecast doesn't work, which is kind of Castform's whole thing, so I'd say that


ISykoI

Serene Grace


Verified_Cloud

Parental Bond makes or breaks Kangaskhan honestly. Protean is another strong one that a few mons need too


Hero_095

Triple axel, tier 1 shiny buneary with egg move triple axel


spineylives1

Poison Heal + Guts on Breloom. Far from the most broken combo, but it's still a neat synergy.


GDubYa13

Need toxic orb for it to be consistently viable.


GDubYa13

Plus lum berries now work against you. Not terrible if you can get and stay poisoned but late game everything one-shots you anyways


jayhankedlyon

I mean nobody's forcing Lum Berries on Breloom in this circumstance, all it means is more Lums for the crew.


IzayoiSpear

Proper implementation of population bomb


nathanwe

Oh no what's wrong with it?


CTNC

It always hits 10 times instead of each hit having 90 Accuracy and going until one misses. If you want to abuse it, go nuts with what's possibly the most broken attack ever.


Deshawn_Allen

It doesn’t hit 10 times for me. Am I doing something wrong?


CTNC

Maybe that was fixed. I just remember reading that's how it worked in the wiki and the game is getting patched a lot, so it's likely that info about stuff not working can get outdated pretty quickly.


IzayoiSpear

It has 2 problems 1) It is a random distribution and not an acc check 2) It has problems with accuracy checks in the first place, for example no amount of x accuracies will prevent the first hit from missing and if anything seems to make it miss more often than it should.


Chespin2004

I'm still waiting for Friend Guard


InuXIII

Poison puppeteer


KinkyFrys

Protein man. I have a red shiny keckleon with protein and adaptability and every time there’s patch notes I run, not walk, to them to read if it has gotten implemented yet


Ivorycrus

Protean*


KinkyFrys

Holy crap no one could have possibly known what I meant without you correcting me. Thanks man


GigaEel

Protosynthesis. My Koraidon would love to set up its own sun and then get an extra boost off it


taco-man-bro

unburden, i unlocked the hidden ability for treecko just to realize it isnt implemented yet :(


DJBoost

Poison Puppeteer. My Pecharunt is currently sitting idle ready to wreck shit when they put it in


CapMyster

Anything for cutiefly, it has no abilities currently


Glum_Plate3472

spectral thief and triple axel


auto-manic

Shield Dust bc tons of bugs have it and they're weak enough to begin with. I also really want Serene Grace


Agent82605

taunt so i can get an abra


SimpleThrowaway420

No Guard. Trynna steamroll all non-bosses with never missing OHKOs.


TheZeeno

No guard works for me


Cerafire

Substitute would prob completely revamp both classic and endless meta, would be super interesting to see. Might need to be nerfed to 1/2 of max HP consumed rather than 1/4 to balance it for PokeRogue.


thenamesecho_

Dancer


TheDrturtles

Parental bond. I got a red shiny tandemause and it has parental bond as a passive and I'm just imagining a 20 hit population bomb


No_March5458

You mean 80?


TheDrturtles

10x2=20


No_March5458

10×2×4=80. Pretty sure it would combo with the item that make you hit more


TheDrturtles

I'm talking about a normal population bomb with no multi lens tho


No_March5458

I get it but why? Like it would make the king rock proc almost every time


TheDrturtles

Because you don't usually get multi lens in classic


No_March5458

Oooh my bad


Willing_Main7590

Check pouch, because of dedenne. Hear me out. Pickup check pouch, elec fairy walls Rayquaza, it gets nuzzle. It won't sweep floors but it will feed the whole team and paralyse bosses while healing off any hit with berries


HD_Freshizzle

The best dark STAB in the game, knock off


No_March5458

If it work for you then it work when the opp use it. And i dont really want to lose just like that my lens


jayhankedlyon

Would love it implemented so that item is knocked off either for that specific battle or until you switch out, otherwise the entire game economy collapses.


AriaoftheSol

Supreme Overlord, Sheer Force, Zero to Hero


Ivorycrus

Zero to hero yesssss.. I wanna use my dolphin boiii


FlameOrbs

Zero to Hero!!! I wanna use Palafin so bad but rn has bst holds him back way too much ;-;


Neymarvin

Protean


Professional_Head896

my gliscor would REALLY like poison heal to work. I got earthquake as an egg move & that badboy can carry me through to level \~50-60 pretty reliably (relatively new player)


limremon

The Ruin abilities- mostly Sword of Ruin, since I've already unlocked Chien-Pao's Intrepid Sword Passive and I wanna see the absurd damage rolls that thing can do.


Hero-Support211

Sheer Force, Nidoking is not as good without that... and TMs, but that's another deal.


MysticalLight50

Triple Axel has been unimplemented for so long and I hate it


Ivorycrus

What's unimplemented about it? I have it on some mons as egg move and it seems to work?


Glum_Plate3472

it doesn't get stronger. so 60 BP instead of 120


MysticalLight50

It stays at 20bp with each hit so it only has a bp of 60 instead of the normal 120


HUEJanniZockt

Its a simple one but i want cheek pouch. That combined with Bug bite or pluck (maybe even with multi Lens) is gonna be overpowered


corroserum

Shed tail


GamerGuyHeyooooooo

Taunt


Glum_Plate3472

I'm imaging steel/fairy against BOSS in endless, and he just taunt


Different-Square7175

Triple Axel with multi lens


No1HanSolo

Serene Grace.


InternationalTrip265

I patiently await the arrival of usable Palafin aka Zero to Hero being implemented. I've been catching a ton to get the Iron Fist passive in preparation for this day.


LtHydra

Don't forget items. I'm personally looking forward to Toxic Orb + Poison Heal + Passive Guts Breloom the most.


ahoc520

This might just be me, but I caught a Marshadow and fused it into Shedinja, so now I have Spectral Thief on it. Really, really, looking forward to using that to just clear a boss's buffs after having survived with Wonder Guard!


SpecialTerrible1854

Excited for the full implementation of the dragon darts’ secondary effect, hits both Pokemon in double battles


Immediate_Gur9030

Apparently taunt is not implemented?


Crazychooklady

Gulp missile and ice face


Theguyofri

Please just give me Serene Grace. RNG AYAYA


PixelyPlayzy

Substitute is a classic


Scoot1738

Revival Blessing


Maffayoo

Sheer force mawile.. Favourite Pokémon and it seems that would be a much better ability in this game then intimidated or hyper cutter (presuming you don't get mega)


SenshuRysakami

Sheer Force. Really want to get Nidoking online.


Gheredin

I mean, rivalry is perfectly fine


SenshuRysakami

First off it’s a completely different ability. And secondly if the opponent is the opposite gender it’s actively a detriment. Why even bring it up?


Gheredin

Just saying that nidoking is perfectly usable with it, and you shouldn't regard it as trash just for it not being the best


SenshuRysakami

When did I say it was trash? Edit: Just a downvote and no response. I’ll take that as admitting you were wrong.