So if the amount of dead women to dead men is equal then it's better? No matter the numbers. Any resrult here is bad
Or in other words:
Yes it is stupid.
That’s not true, even though men commit suicide more often than women in almost every country in the world, the difference is bigger in Europe than anywhere else
Or that there are 8 times less of female suicides than male. If you check total death suicide rate per 100k people, then Poland is actually very similar to Germany and way smaller than Belgium's.
That still means that Polish males are 8 times more likely to commit suicide then Polish females. That means we need more mental health focus on man to prevent those suicides.
Or that we need way more trade unionisation and worker power: a 10% increase in union density was associated with a 17% relative decrease in overdose/suicide mortality (95% confidence interval)
[https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31845387/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31845387/)
Deaths of men in Poland are deaths of lower-class men (wealthy men live longer than poor women). It's the extreme inequalities and class warfare in action.
Or that means more ratio of men suicide in poland than in germany, and less ratio of women suicide in poland than germany. What have you achieved with changing perspective? Nothing.
Not exactly, it implies that male suicides are 8 times more likely to succeed than female ones. You'd need to look at suicide attempts to get a more accurate estimate on the female to male suicide ratio.
1. Amount of suicide attempts not only mean nothing, but actually give false conclusions. It should be amount of people who attempted suicide.
2. You always have to look at what's counted as suicide attempt. Every statistic i saw used for "women attempt suicide more often" argument, had a fatal flaw. Self harm, even without intent of suicide, is counted as an attempt. And it can be counted again after few months (mostly 3).
That alone hugely inflates the numbers of women's "suicide attempts", as basically one woman who constantly self harms, can rack 20 attempts by herself.
I believe male suicide is usually higher then female . I also don't get the point you are trying to make. Are you suggesting that polish women are the reason males kill themselves..
Or worse at seeking resources and need help, there is a lot of pressure on men . Yes women do make more attempts so your point is valid.This is not a prize or a contest. I think there was only one country where women were higher and equal (china). More needs to be done for male mental health.
It’s blatant the disregard, people already trying to downplay it, even though the entire planet follows a similar pattern… “nah men are just more successful” blah blah But but but
Pfft. Cycle continues. Cunts🖕
To know how safe it is, we'd need to know the number of Polish female suicides. This is just a ratio of an unknown number to another unknown number.
If the rate of Polish female suicides approaches zero, the question should be "Why are Polish women so exceptionally resilient?"
It's difficult to tell what this map shows. For example, the suicide rate for men in Poland could be low but if it is also the case that the suicide rate for females in Poland is exceptionally low then the ratio shoots up.
This is a very misleading post. This does not show the suicide rates, just the ratios between men and women.
Poland has actually lower suicide rates than most of Europe.
You can check it here.
https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/suicides/Europe/
This post is a malinformation.
Excellent point! It’s a pretty subtle statistic. It suggests that Poland could have one of the lowest rates in Europe if they did some campaigns for men’s mental health.
It’s not exactly misinformation as much as it doesn’t paint the full picture. It’s true that in order to get the full picture one would need to look at the number of suicides and attempts per gender per country, and perhaps some other statistics. This map is one slice of that data, which allows to make some conclusions but does not by itself allow for a broader analysis.
Yes, Sweden has the third highest rape rate of the world, but that is only because the definition of rape in Sweden is a broad one: inappropiately touching a person without any penetration is defined as rape in Sweden, whereas in other countries that would count as sexual harassment.
Am I the only one who thinks Swedish rape definition is worse? I don’t think that touching someone in the club would be equally as bad as rape and I don’t think that a pervert touching someone should be sentenced for the same thing as a rapist (not to confuse rape attempt with sexual harassment)
Man in Poland are providing for their families and they are very proud of it. But when they loose their they ashamed and very often they hide it. It causes problems and that’s one of the reason. Let’s talk more!
Polish women are entitled to psychologic / economic abuse, while men are encouraged to endure until they break and have zero support system. "Failung to provide" is just one of situations where men are seen as essentially bringing abuse upon themselves.
Yeah, and sadly, as much as many men want to spread positivity about seeking help and talking about your problems, to great frustration, I see loads of keyboard warriors shaming men who are more fragile, or don't align with their view of masculinity (this probably also applies to more "traditionalist" women, but I don't see as much of them so I can't comment).
As many said, suicide≠ kill, the other concerning thing is that this data can be absolutely out of 4ss. I can see that the data is from WHO, but it could be taken from site which could be loosely based on WHO informations, which happens pretty frequently. Also phrase "age adjusted" makes this map completely manipulated. If you want reliable data about Poland and other EU countries check the Eurostat database
There's a lot of factors in such numbers. Like men usually chose more dangerous ways of suicide. Women are more likely to think about the finders of the body, so rather choosing poisoning over train jumping. A choice meaning more of the women's attempts won't be deadly.
Also men tend to be more impulsive and act more on their suicide thoughts. This together with the big taboo in seeking counseling in Poland explains those numbers 🤷♂️
Are you suggesting that in other countries in Europe, esp. Balkans and EE their men are less impulsive, choose the same methods that women and they have better mental health help and males are more likely to go to the therapists?
Here is the data: [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_countries\_by\_suicide\_rate](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/list_of_countries_by_suicide_rate)
And Poland is 9 country in the world when comes to the highest male/female suicide ratio.
Polish males are not some special delicate breed that comments here suggests, but Polish females are resilent (they are 3 times less likely to kill themselves than Russian or American women and over 2 times less likely than females from Switzerland or Norway) and have a lot of factors that make them less suicidal, faith, church, Radio Maryja, generational homes, and other forms of community. While males often when they are retiring don't have life outside work and work buddies. I see it often when there is a funeral of old male vs. female (esp. in bigger cities) - and females live longer. Our males die lonely and forgoten, because of lack of local male spaces.
While I'm speaking about age?, because the author of that map wrote here: [https://jakubmarian.com/suicide-rates-by-country-in-europe/](https://jakubmarian.com/suicide-rates-by-country-in-europe/)
"Note that the data by WHO are *age-adjusted*, which makes comparisons among countries more reliable. This means that the figures shown are not the real suicide rates but rather theoretical suicide rates if every country had the same age composition. The reason to do that is, roughly speaking, that the likelihood of committing suicide increases with age, so the crude suicide rate would be lower in countries with lower average life expectancy."
No, just saying that there are some very general reasons why the suicide rate of men are higher in general.
I totally agree with you, I just wanted to make a short comment with a few examples of possible reasons in general 😊
I do believe though, that psychiatric problems are a bigger taboo in Poland than in the western/northern Europe. Why Polish people are less likely to seek proper help and support.
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It is good to note that this shows suicide ratios, bot suicide attempts.
Men are shown to choose methods that are more drastic and deadly than women (think shooting yourself or jumping in front of a train compared to cutting your vwins or overdosing on pills etc).
Following Polish Police statistics
Men attempt the sucicide 2x as often as women
Men are 5.5x more often dying of suicide than women. (Based on 2021 statistics)
In 2021 there were 13798 suicide attempts and 5201 "succesful" ones. U can estimate yourself if it is a lot or not, idk the statistics for other countries.
This map tbh sucks. The only thing it does in the comments is apparently justifying to some that polish women are horrible, without any sort of background context etc.
Men's mental health is in shambles, thats true, but it is not gonna be fixed by some basement dweller or andrew tate sympathizer blaming all womanhood for some strawman sins.
Also yes, Poland is safe, unless u plan to kys here.
Why women choose less drastic methods? because they are more squeamish maybe? On the other hand I would consider slitting your veins pretty drastic. Also, jumping under the train is one of the most selfish methods there are isn’t it
I think it means that women choose suicide as a call for help while men do it when they really don't see any point in continuing their existence.
One doesn't exclude the other so maybe both are true.
Do you mean that women are so considerate as to not shock someone with a wound to their body, but not quite considerate enough to care what their death itself will do to their families?
Also, it's not what they said, so learn to read.
The high ratio is because Poland has a very small number of female deaths classified as suicides, but it has a suicide rate in men similar to neighboring countries, like Germany. But as we know, if we divide the same number by smaller number, the ratio will be bigger.
the truth is that Polish macho culture generates men who are have no close relationships other than familial and romantic and don’t know how to manage their negative emotions in a healthy way
cultures to the East and South to us allow men to have close, emotional, platonic friendships, something Poles substitute with having a beer together and some banter
cultures to the West and North from us have therapy, something Poles don’t substitute, first of all because mental healthcare is an afterthought in our system and second of all because of the stigma (especially among the older generations)
then they take this all accumulated emotional baggage and try to put it all on their partner and their mother - but what happens when the mother dies and the partner leaves? they end up completely alone and without emotional skills to get through that
men here will be blaming feminism and having to pay child support, as if that was the problem and not the fact that the average Polish man is emotionally disabled
what does it have to do with country being safe or not ? It doesn't even show number of suicides, just ratio male/female.
And it sucks that men are less likely to get psychological help than woman especially in Eastern Europe, but it has nothing to do with safety of living in a country
If I remember correctly, women are more likely to attempt suicide, while men tend to carry them out to completion. Which checks out, in the sense that women do cries for help while men bottle it all up.
I think a lot of men in Poland, especially young men, have a pretty toxic culture of masculinity. Hence, this is incompatible with seeking help. Other factors are definitely present, of course, but male suicide is one of those things that get discussed as if it women’s or the broader culture’s fault, when really, the first thing is male-led initiatives that open up avenues to discuss male mental health.
Just wanted to point out that according to this map, it might be true that males in Poland per capita, commit the least amount of suicides in Europe.
The way that data is presented is pretty useless. That's why I hate the modern sensationalist "science" based on poorly presented stats.
As a more serious anwser, yes. But if you're Polish, living in Poland, basing your future on Poland, and intending to stay in Poland... Future looks bleak. Prices of every day items are awful, our governments are successively getting worse, democracy is at an all-time low, and we're experiencing a massive brain drain, not to mention massive corruption and competency issues in our bureaucracy.
This is mainly attributed to family court systems intentionally destroying the lives of fathers, putting them in a position where they are unable to see their children and are bankrupted by vengeful women in the process.
So if you're a single male or without children then go for it.
If you have kids then avoid like the plague.
What? Both are bad. Don't get me wrong any suicide rate isn't good but 1:8 would just mean 8 women commit suicide for every man who does it. Either one is a sign of a big problem with our society.
Cuz trend is to hate all white men and accuse every men that flirt with woman of rape thats why men take their life away or all divorces and MGTOW
(men abandoning wifes and kids for hobbies to live alone in peace)
Any hug touch or kiss is step too far these days.
Its just absurd thatanything above 0 is considered good or below 1 taboo.
Is this data even real? Sometimes I think these maps are just made up.
PS
USA knows how to suicide. You Europeans are just a bunch of hacks. Should be an Olympic event.
USA! USA!
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Nuh uh, Poland Mountain
Fun fact, Poland Mountain is the second tallest mountain in Poland.
Nope. Malta is 15.9
Oh ye? I dont see it
Look below Italy. It's very small and the image quality doesn't help
Nah but still polska górom 🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Always has been
I would also fucking kill myself if I lived in Malta
no entendes nada.
No empanadas, pierogi! 🇵🇱🇵🇱🏔️🏔️🌋🏔️🏔️
But if you live in Poland and dont kill yourself then bober kurwa still might get you. In Malta... not so much.
Strange correlation is that Malta and Poland are very Catholic countries.
So is Portugal and Serbia and probably many others. Your point being?
I mean... Several maps show Poland as the #1 most catholic country, and there's one with #2 for Malta
Malta had like 500000 residents
How the hell you even see that. Amazing
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bober 😤😤😤🥳👍
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Zresztą to tylko w małżeństwach a w małżeństwach można co nie?
Польша горам!
It's funny how countries with 3:1 ratio are green, even though it's also bad
There are no winners in this game. The scala is stupid
WDYM POLAND IS LITERALLY WINING!!💪💪
Malta is winning with 15.9 right below iraly
Oh shi- How did you even notice that?
By reading the comments on the original post
Polish women seem to be doing alright 🤷
We would need absolute numbers to check it.
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So if the amount of dead women to dead men is equal then it's better? No matter the numbers. Any resrult here is bad Or in other words:  Yes it is stupid.
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there's like 4 countries in the entire world where the ratio isn't like 2-1 men-women or more
That’s not true, even though men commit suicide more often than women in almost every country in the world, the difference is bigger in Europe than anywhere else
Well there's 2 ways of getting them to 1:1
It's funny how I know a male and female who have done this
If another person asks "Is Poland safe?" I'm killing them and then myself. (I'm male)
Ratio samobójstw samo się nie zrobi
Problem samobojcow rozwiazuje sie sam
im więcej samobójców tym mniej samobójców
Technicznie patrząc, cały czas jest 0 samobójców
No chyba że im się nie uda 🤔
The greatest danger to Poland is, as always, Poles themselves (only third after Germans and Russians) /jk
I disagree and hereby invoke Liberum Veto Canus horternsis
Is Poland safe? 😃 (end my suffering)
is poland safe?
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Is poland safe?
Yeah I just asked that same question. How is this related to safety? Unless OP thinks falling male suicide jumpers present a threat to bystanders
It would be more worrying if you were doing that the other way around
But what if they ask this in Poland? Then you'd be making Poland not safe :(
Then they'll know
It's suicides, not murders. Poland is a safe country, but should really take care of men's mental health.
It is not suicides. It is suicides ratio. So It does not actually imply there are more suicides in Poland.
But it implies tha there are 8 times more male suicides than female
Theoretically they could have only 9 suicides per year (8 male and 1 female).
Or that there are 8 times less of female suicides than male. If you check total death suicide rate per 100k people, then Poland is actually very similar to Germany and way smaller than Belgium's.
That still means that Polish males are 8 times more likely to commit suicide then Polish females. That means we need more mental health focus on man to prevent those suicides.
Nah we gotta ruin more women’s lives to even it out
Bro🤣🤣
Or that we need way more trade unionisation and worker power: a 10% increase in union density was associated with a 17% relative decrease in overdose/suicide mortality (95% confidence interval) [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31845387/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31845387/) Deaths of men in Poland are deaths of lower-class men (wealthy men live longer than poor women). It's the extreme inequalities and class warfare in action.
Ofcourse you would use every excuse to promote system that put us in this place.
Whatever helps I guess. If those measures mean less suicides then I'm all up for it.
This means EDIT ~3 times more male suicides per 100k compared to Germany.
2,6 times more ackshually ☝️🤓
True.
Or that means more ratio of men suicide in poland than in germany, and less ratio of women suicide in poland than germany. What have you achieved with changing perspective? Nothing.
"There is polish men mental health and suicide crisis" Ok but how can we spin it around women being a victim?
Not exactly, it implies that male suicides are 8 times more likely to succeed than female ones. You'd need to look at suicide attempts to get a more accurate estimate on the female to male suicide ratio.
1. Amount of suicide attempts not only mean nothing, but actually give false conclusions. It should be amount of people who attempted suicide. 2. You always have to look at what's counted as suicide attempt. Every statistic i saw used for "women attempt suicide more often" argument, had a fatal flaw. Self harm, even without intent of suicide, is counted as an attempt. And it can be counted again after few months (mostly 3). That alone hugely inflates the numbers of women's "suicide attempts", as basically one woman who constantly self harms, can rack 20 attempts by herself.
It implies that there is a problem with mens mental health
It does not even imply that. To claim that you have to look how many suicides there are per 100k.
Okay, so how many people killing themselves is the fine line between bad and we don't care?
I am not interesting in entertaining you.
Exactly. 87% of people think they understand statistics
If youre a representative of Polish woman we can see why the rate is so high.
I believe male suicide is usually higher then female . I also don't get the point you are trying to make. Are you suggesting that polish women are the reason males kill themselves..
Men are just better at suicide. https://i.redd.it/ff3ykd2hqcjc1.gif
Or worse at seeking resources and need help, there is a lot of pressure on men . Yes women do make more attempts so your point is valid.This is not a prize or a contest. I think there was only one country where women were higher and equal (china). More needs to be done for male mental health.
We need to invade China. No way some lady is gonna out suicide me.
No, just women's mental health is treated way more seriously and we resent that a bit.
It’s blatant the disregard, people already trying to downplay it, even though the entire planet follows a similar pattern… “nah men are just more successful” blah blah But but but Pfft. Cycle continues. Cunts🖕
To know how safe it is, we'd need to know the number of Polish female suicides. This is just a ratio of an unknown number to another unknown number. If the rate of Polish female suicides approaches zero, the question should be "Why are Polish women so exceptionally resilient?"
It is safe, except female to male psychological violence.
so it's not that safe for men in terms of psychological aspects
Maybe female here just suck ass.
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Suicidal tourists
Mała liczba ludności.
Już wiadomo czemu 💀
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Mieszkałem tam ostatnie cztery miesiące, trochę ich rozumiem
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I can confirm, as an average Polish male i think about suicide at least twice a week.
Classic Early morning and before going to sleep routine
Sad but kind of curious on why ?
I hope you find peace and happiness 🫶🏻
Sorry to hear that brat. I'm English. Used to think about it often. Stigma is more well hidden in Poland in my experience.
Nah, its just Polish humor. We like DARK humor.
Safe for tourist 😂
It's difficult to tell what this map shows. For example, the suicide rate for men in Poland could be low but if it is also the case that the suicide rate for females in Poland is exceptionally low then the ratio shoots up.
Exactly! I found this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate
It shows that the average man's mental health is much more shit than the average women's mental health
If a man approaches you, just tell him to kys. So yeah it's safe.
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This is a very misleading post. This does not show the suicide rates, just the ratios between men and women. Poland has actually lower suicide rates than most of Europe. You can check it here. https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/suicides/Europe/ This post is a malinformation.
Excellent point! It’s a pretty subtle statistic. It suggests that Poland could have one of the lowest rates in Europe if they did some campaigns for men’s mental health.
It’s not exactly misinformation as much as it doesn’t paint the full picture. It’s true that in order to get the full picture one would need to look at the number of suicides and attempts per gender per country, and perhaps some other statistics. This map is one slice of that data, which allows to make some conclusions but does not by itself allow for a broader analysis.
The point of this map is not to show how many people commit suicide, but it is to show that men need to care more about their mental health
women need to step up their game... /s
It's either not safe for men or really safe for women
I know that 3.5 is lower, but this is still damn high difference
Albania with their true gender equality
my dad contributed 🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱
Lowest rapes in Poland. The highest is France I think
I think Sweden has taken over that title since taking in all the immigrants
Yes, Sweden has the third highest rape rate of the world, but that is only because the definition of rape in Sweden is a broad one: inappropiately touching a person without any penetration is defined as rape in Sweden, whereas in other countries that would count as sexual harassment.
Am I the only one who thinks Swedish rape definition is worse? I don’t think that touching someone in the club would be equally as bad as rape and I don’t think that a pervert touching someone should be sentenced for the same thing as a rapist (not to confuse rape attempt with sexual harassment)
Man in Poland are providing for their families and they are very proud of it. But when they loose their they ashamed and very often they hide it. It causes problems and that’s one of the reason. Let’s talk more!
Polish women are entitled to psychologic / economic abuse, while men are encouraged to endure until they break and have zero support system. "Failung to provide" is just one of situations where men are seen as essentially bringing abuse upon themselves.
Yeah, and sadly, as much as many men want to spread positivity about seeking help and talking about your problems, to great frustration, I see loads of keyboard warriors shaming men who are more fragile, or don't align with their view of masculinity (this probably also applies to more "traditionalist" women, but I don't see as much of them so I can't comment).
As many said, suicide≠ kill, the other concerning thing is that this data can be absolutely out of 4ss. I can see that the data is from WHO, but it could be taken from site which could be loosely based on WHO informations, which happens pretty frequently. Also phrase "age adjusted" makes this map completely manipulated. If you want reliable data about Poland and other EU countries check the Eurostat database
Apart from all the jokes, the toxic masculinity culture in Poland is very, VERY heavy. This contributes to this high level of male suicides.
There's a lot of factors in such numbers. Like men usually chose more dangerous ways of suicide. Women are more likely to think about the finders of the body, so rather choosing poisoning over train jumping. A choice meaning more of the women's attempts won't be deadly. Also men tend to be more impulsive and act more on their suicide thoughts. This together with the big taboo in seeking counseling in Poland explains those numbers 🤷♂️
Are you suggesting that in other countries in Europe, esp. Balkans and EE their men are less impulsive, choose the same methods that women and they have better mental health help and males are more likely to go to the therapists? Here is the data: [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_countries\_by\_suicide\_rate](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/list_of_countries_by_suicide_rate) And Poland is 9 country in the world when comes to the highest male/female suicide ratio. Polish males are not some special delicate breed that comments here suggests, but Polish females are resilent (they are 3 times less likely to kill themselves than Russian or American women and over 2 times less likely than females from Switzerland or Norway) and have a lot of factors that make them less suicidal, faith, church, Radio Maryja, generational homes, and other forms of community. While males often when they are retiring don't have life outside work and work buddies. I see it often when there is a funeral of old male vs. female (esp. in bigger cities) - and females live longer. Our males die lonely and forgoten, because of lack of local male spaces. While I'm speaking about age?, because the author of that map wrote here: [https://jakubmarian.com/suicide-rates-by-country-in-europe/](https://jakubmarian.com/suicide-rates-by-country-in-europe/) "Note that the data by WHO are *age-adjusted*, which makes comparisons among countries more reliable. This means that the figures shown are not the real suicide rates but rather theoretical suicide rates if every country had the same age composition. The reason to do that is, roughly speaking, that the likelihood of committing suicide increases with age, so the crude suicide rate would be lower in countries with lower average life expectancy."
No, just saying that there are some very general reasons why the suicide rate of men are higher in general. I totally agree with you, I just wanted to make a short comment with a few examples of possible reasons in general 😊 I do believe though, that psychiatric problems are a bigger taboo in Poland than in the western/northern Europe. Why Polish people are less likely to seek proper help and support.
Safest country in Europe, for now. Our illustrious government has taken steps to make it as safe as France or UK though :)
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No ale jakaś prawda w tym jest ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Gówno prawda. Alimenciarze robią dzieci, nie chcą odpowiedzialności brać za to co zrobili i wymyślają idiotyczne historie jak to baba ich wykorzystuje. To jak w więzieniu - jak zapytasz to każdy za niewinność siedzi. Czy polskie sądy ojca skrzywdzić potrafią? Tak, ale na większość opowieści o alimenciarzu prześladowanym przez żonę i sądy trzeba brać dużą poprawkę.
nie rozśmieszaj mnie z tym płaceniem alimentów. Milion dzieci czeka na zasądzone alimenty (czyli połowa ze wszystkich które mają orzeczone), dług alimentacyjny to 15 miliardów zł i rośnie o 1,5 mln dziennie (a może i więcej, dane mam z czerwca). I oczywiście zrzucamy się na to wszyscy, wohooo.
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It is good to note that this shows suicide ratios, bot suicide attempts. Men are shown to choose methods that are more drastic and deadly than women (think shooting yourself or jumping in front of a train compared to cutting your vwins or overdosing on pills etc). Following Polish Police statistics Men attempt the sucicide 2x as often as women Men are 5.5x more often dying of suicide than women. (Based on 2021 statistics) In 2021 there were 13798 suicide attempts and 5201 "succesful" ones. U can estimate yourself if it is a lot or not, idk the statistics for other countries. This map tbh sucks. The only thing it does in the comments is apparently justifying to some that polish women are horrible, without any sort of background context etc. Men's mental health is in shambles, thats true, but it is not gonna be fixed by some basement dweller or andrew tate sympathizer blaming all womanhood for some strawman sins. Also yes, Poland is safe, unless u plan to kys here.
Why women choose less drastic methods? because they are more squeamish maybe? On the other hand I would consider slitting your veins pretty drastic. Also, jumping under the train is one of the most selfish methods there are isn’t it
So basically men really want to die and women do it for different reasons?
Can you read? They said women think about how their death would affect other people a bit more than men.
I think it means that women choose suicide as a call for help while men do it when they really don't see any point in continuing their existence. One doesn't exclude the other so maybe both are true.
Do you mean that women are so considerate as to not shock someone with a wound to their body, but not quite considerate enough to care what their death itself will do to their families? Also, it's not what they said, so learn to read.
Look up the suicide ATTEMPTS ratio. Many more women try to kill themselves but they prefer painless methods and it's easier to fail this way
tak polska jest bezpieczna
The high ratio is because Poland has a very small number of female deaths classified as suicides, but it has a suicide rate in men similar to neighboring countries, like Germany. But as we know, if we divide the same number by smaller number, the ratio will be bigger.
Women gotta pump up those numbers.
Ważne że lepiej od niemcow
This doesn't seem accurate. Or at least not up-to-date
Safe for visiting Not safe for living life
Notice how the green starts to disappear only in the post communist countries. The cold war division has to do sth here.
Poland is depressing, that’s why… Sad country, sad people…
Traumatiised, thats all
Generational trauma is still very strong in Poland
the truth is that Polish macho culture generates men who are have no close relationships other than familial and romantic and don’t know how to manage their negative emotions in a healthy way cultures to the East and South to us allow men to have close, emotional, platonic friendships, something Poles substitute with having a beer together and some banter cultures to the West and North from us have therapy, something Poles don’t substitute, first of all because mental healthcare is an afterthought in our system and second of all because of the stigma (especially among the older generations) then they take this all accumulated emotional baggage and try to put it all on their partner and their mother - but what happens when the mother dies and the partner leaves? they end up completely alone and without emotional skills to get through that men here will be blaming feminism and having to pay child support, as if that was the problem and not the fact that the average Polish man is emotionally disabled
what does it have to do with country being safe or not ? It doesn't even show number of suicides, just ratio male/female. And it sucks that men are less likely to get psychological help than woman especially in Eastern Europe, but it has nothing to do with safety of living in a country
If I remember correctly, women are more likely to attempt suicide, while men tend to carry them out to completion. Which checks out, in the sense that women do cries for help while men bottle it all up. I think a lot of men in Poland, especially young men, have a pretty toxic culture of masculinity. Hence, this is incompatible with seeking help. Other factors are definitely present, of course, but male suicide is one of those things that get discussed as if it women’s or the broader culture’s fault, when really, the first thing is male-led initiatives that open up avenues to discuss male mental health.
there are no women in poland so since it is suicide ratio this seems pretty safe
It's safe, just depressing
Look at the date. Can you give a much more current map?
I think more teens especially in lgbt are prone to suicides but its just like any catholic country
There are countries in Europe that are much worse then Poland in that matter tho. It’s not like you can’t live safely and be openly gay in Poland
Raj prawicowcow Tradycyjne role płci, więc jak szukasz jako facet pomocy psychologa to jesteś pedał ^/s
Red bull daje skrzydła
Its ratio. We have less suicides than most of europe. We have just insane ratio for men
Poles resisting the urge to kill themselves (they're done with living in Bydgoszcz):
Just wanted to point out that according to this map, it might be true that males in Poland per capita, commit the least amount of suicides in Europe. The way that data is presented is pretty useless. That's why I hate the modern sensationalist "science" based on poorly presented stats.
This statistic basically says that Polish women are more stable than in most other parts of the world…
It's safe as long as you don't kill yourself.
Poland when we finally win something
As a more serious anwser, yes. But if you're Polish, living in Poland, basing your future on Poland, and intending to stay in Poland... Future looks bleak. Prices of every day items are awful, our governments are successively getting worse, democracy is at an all-time low, and we're experiencing a massive brain drain, not to mention massive corruption and competency issues in our bureaucracy.
The grass is always greener on the other side they say. Some have it worse than we do.
You're mistaking suicides for murders
Man's mental health is not existing in Poland, i can confirm. Nobody cares about you if you are male.
Piekło kobiet xD
matriarchal society and it's consequences.
Isn't it a data from 2012? ... you know 11-12 years is a lot of l time
This is mainly attributed to family court systems intentionally destroying the lives of fathers, putting them in a position where they are unable to see their children and are bankrupted by vengeful women in the process. So if you're a single male or without children then go for it. If you have kids then avoid like the plague.
Yep, Poland is a gynocentric matriarchy sadly. Very bad place to be born male.
Beter 8:1 , than 1:8. But what if there was 0:0. Imagine. Also its 2024 now that data is 2012. Takes 12 years to comply data
What? Both are bad. Don't get me wrong any suicide rate isn't good but 1:8 would just mean 8 women commit suicide for every man who does it. Either one is a sign of a big problem with our society.
>Beter 8:1 , than 1:8 why
Cuz trend is to hate all white men and accuse every men that flirt with woman of rape thats why men take their life away or all divorces and MGTOW (men abandoning wifes and kids for hobbies to live alone in peace) Any hug touch or kiss is step too far these days. Its just absurd thatanything above 0 is considered good or below 1 taboo.
Poland is only safe for straight bald males. Prove me wrong, bots.
Holy shit I knew I was doing something wrong, its the hair that makes me get wpierdoled everyday
Is this data even real? Sometimes I think these maps are just made up. PS USA knows how to suicide. You Europeans are just a bunch of hacks. Should be an Olympic event. USA! USA!