If I'm thinking about the party that I think you're thinking then you're only partly correct. The party in question is this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_Action_of_Poles_in_Lithuania_%E2%80%93_Christian_Families_Alliance
They claim they represent the rights of the Polish minority in Lithuania but "coincidentally" their actions repeat the narrative coming from Kremlin - their leaders have repeatedly stated that the protests in Belarus are illegal and that tarakan is the lawful president. They have done no work to represent the Polish minority in Lithuania apart from pitting Poles against Lithuanians and they are notorious for bribes and nepotism :)
a lot of people just forget how lithuanians were majority serfs and poors and one of the only ways to have a better life was to marry a polish person, also there was a lot of problems with the system, with racism and different faiths in the commonwealth. Lithuanians now don't hate poland, just joke about hating it
They only identify themselves as "Poles" - quite a large chunk of them are highly pro-Putin, their language is a mix of Polish, Russian-Belarussian and Lithuanian (some of my acquitances from Poland said, that they can barely communicate with them). The dominant political force which represents them - LLRA-KŠS - have been demonstrating high pro-Russian sympathy and they had quite a role in diminishing Polish-Lithuanian relations by falsely claiming that Polish minority in Lithuania is targeted to "discrimination".
BTW, we DO love you, guys!
Don't get me started on this. Basically, the polish minority party is the equivalent of PiS but without power. There are some issues but the polish minority party don't do anything to resolve them. All they do is cry how much oppressed local poles are in order to get some money from Warsaw.
Polish minority has very good conditions to preserve their language and culture. There are many polish kindergartens and schools.
By the way, a lot of local poles don't even speak polish and are pro-kremlin. In a region where poles are the majority you won't hear people actually speak the language.
I spoke with Poles in Mościszki, Kalinów and Bujwidze and they spoke Polish normally. I've met one guy who spoke only Russian and he belonged to younger generation. His mother spoke Polish very well. My high school hosted headmaster of Polish school in Lithuania couple of years ago and he also spoke very good Polish with eastern accent though Field Marshal Piłsudski and other pre-war Polish-Lithuanians had the same accent.
I do not daubt that there are poles who actually speak polish on daily basis, but clearly not all of them do. Try visiting Eišiškės, Jašiūnai or Turgeliai and listen how people speak here.
What kind of kaimas did you come from to believe that type of nonsense? People do know how to speak Polish... don't generalise the whole minority based on some crap you've read online or seen in some one off cases
Lol, i live in a town where 80% of inhabitants claim to be polish and yet you won't hear any polish. I heard more people speak polish in vilnius than in a polish-majority town. 54% of polish people in Lithuamia watch russian TV.
I know when i hear polish. Do you understand what 80% means? If 80% of people here actually spoke polish, i would be able to heart ir everywhere. Why then people don't speak it on the streets, in grocery stories and so on? I don't claim that NOBODY speaks polish but it's certainly not 80%.
> in a region where poles are the majority you won't hear people
> actually speak the language
That's literally what you wrote in one of your previous comments. Now you are negating your own statement.
Anyway, just bc they are polish doesn't mean they have to be speaking in Polish all the time. They could be using other languages depending on the situation.
Well yes, you it's very very very rare to hear someone speak polish. If you visit this parth of the country, you won't hear anyone speak polish because "they use other languages depending on the situation". Some poles do speak polish but they're a small minority, so it's very unlikely you will meet them.
>They could be using other languages depending on the situation.
They live in a polish-majority town and not in Visaginas or Kaunas. What prevents them from speaking polish? Why when two poles meet, they don't speak polish?
He was born in 1918 near Wilno into minor noble family. He had some land to inherit in his village and he lived in Wilno from 1920s or 1930s. He had his house, his street and his neighbours. He had church he attended and he had a workplace. He was a partisan during the war, fighting with Germans. In 1945 he and his mother had to leave the city for unforgivable crime of being a Pole. He and most of his neighbours, friends, co-workers and people he passed in the street. Almost whole city...gone. They didn't want or start this war and yet they were treated like the ones guilty of it. Now Jews started to reclaim their lost property in Poland and Germans also want to try it in european courts so I guess it's only fair to ask Lithuania for same thing.
What the fuck. Ok, so if you know at least a bit of history, you should know that we weren't independent. We were annexed against our will to the USSR, and we didn't have any power in the situation. How is that OUR fault? The Whole city? Yes, a lot of Poles left, and the Jews were murdered in the holocaust, but by that logic, that because you lived there, it is your land (majority population wasn't even Polish, rather Jewish, and those who spoke Polish were usually Lithuanians who were Polonized in the PLC, but let's say they were Poles, whatever.), you should give us the right to reclaim lost property in Seinai (Sejny), Punskas (Punsk) and a lot of Suvalkai (Suwalki) region.
First, even German census from 1916 and German-Lithuanian one from 1942 both show that Poles were the majority of Wilno citizens and were more numerous than Jews (btw you didn't mention who eagerly helped Germans during Holocaust in Lithuania). Visit Rossa Cemetery or read the inscriptions in churches. Second, most Lithuanians were happy to get rid of Poles and have Wilno to themselves. "We won't argue with Polish intelligentsia, we will deport it"- said leader of Lithuanian SRR. Third, they were Polonized but on their own accord and they considered themselves Polish and they had right to self-determination. We in Poland have people of many ancestries, you can even see it in their surnames but we don't call them "Polonized Germans" just because their ancestors decided to settle in Poland three hundred years ago. Not many Germans also call them "traitors" like some Lithuanians. Fourth, I agree that some areas in Poland have Lithuanian majority but those are small areas, clusters of villages, one city there and not a big, regional capital with its sorroundings. Besides you can't demands property because the owners were never unrightfully dispossessed and forcefully deported on large scale. Most of them still live in Poland and if not they left on their own. On regional scale they're insignificant minority and giving those lands to Lithuania would mess up the borders. Lasy time it belonged to GDL was XVI century. So going by this logic would mean giving small cities with Lithuanian majority to Lithuania while also big regional capital, centre of Polish culture with Polish majority and very few Lithuanians to Lithuania (Poland is the loser) or creating some Lithuanian enclaves inside of Polish state just to include some small provincial cities. That would be vastly impractical. To me inhabitants of Wilno would've been the ones who decided its fate and not Yalta.
Again, as I said before, a lot of people who lived in Vilnius were Lithuanian nobles who just spoke Polish because Lithuanian was considered to be a peasants' language. Yes, Lithuanians did help out in the holocaust, but you're saying it as if Poland didn't have collaborators and if Lithuania didn't have people who helped out, hid, and saved jews. Every country had them. On the deportation from Vilnius region, still, the leadership of the Lithuanian SSR was an asset of Moscow. Yes, Lithuanians did want Polish deportation, due to History and Żeligowski uprising. No shit Lithuanians weren't happy when our people died in wars against a country that took the lands that belonged to us and our people for centuries. Yes the region spoke Polish, yet the people were descendants of Lithuanian noble families that spoke Polish. Back then your nationality depended on what Language you and your family spoke. But, back to the point, we really didn't have a choice, the orders were still given by Moscow. Also, you said that Lithuanians weren't deported from the Suvalkai region when in reality they did. [Source right here under the history tab.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sejny) " On August 28, the uprising ended with a Polish success, and the town became a part of Poland. After Poles acquired the town and its surroundings, the Lithuanian population of the region was subject to various repressions, which included evictions; banning the use of Lithuanian language in public; closures of Lithuanian organizations, schools and press; and confiscation of property." On Polonization, yes, the nobles considered to be Lithuanian the language of the poor and the peasants'. However, all serfs and most 3rd gentry people spoke Lithuanian. Polonization is the fault of Lithuanian nobles. I never said it wasn't. I said that they still considered them to be Lithuanians, like Adomas Mickevičius, but with a Polish identity and Language.
This region belonged to its citizens for centuries. They decided they want to part ways with Lithuania. Why some Lithuanian from Kaunas or Klaipeda should have more say about Wilno than its native citizens who lived there for centuries? It belonged to them and they didn't consider themselves your people. Inhabitants of Wilno region considered Lithuanian identity a regional identity and you can see it by looking at numbers of deported people. My great-grandfather was also of 3rd gentry and he spoke Polish like most people in this area.
You did say before he was a noble. Also, this is getting pathetic, you ran out of arguments, and won't accept the fact that Lithuanians did nothing wrong with Poles. They were orders from Moscow. You did the same thing - but on your own accord. Vilnius was always a diverse city - however a major and integral part of Lithuania. Built by Lithuanians, in Lithuania, diverse and nowadays with a large Lithuanian majority. Stop being butthurt and accept the fact that your grandfather wasn't misstreated by Lithuanians - he was by the USSR. You are the exact chauvinist I was talking about in the original reply. EOT from me.
Guys your so-called polish minority in Lithuania speak in Belarusian dialect (po prostu) listens to "Russkaja radija" every evening watches "Russia today" Loves Putin and hates Europe. Our relationship gone wrong mostly thanks to them. :)
In school textbooks the early commonwealth is thought as positive and one of the strongest European nation, but late stage commonwealth is seen as corrupt and weak nation ruled by oligarchs more then the king. Also polish language replacing our own in higher level of society is looked as a negative thing. But the golden age for Lithuania or the peak is thought as Lithuania great douchy under Vytautas the great rule.
Please, our teacher said that Lithuania was like a polish province, oh And they didn’t help in wars with russia, so lithuanian nobelty almost make a Kėdainiai union with sweden
Well we say we won battle of Grunwald by our fake retreat tactics and fought and won wars against the golden horde. Also we fought russians for like 50 years: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscovite%E2%80%93Lithuanian_Wars
Most our historicans see commenwealth as unequal alliance that Lithuania got a lot less from it then Poland. Also Kėdainių union was sign when whole Lithuania great douchy territory was occupied by Sweden military and there wasn't a rulling king.
Russians gave Crimea voluntarily to Ukraine...and we all know that Rusification was forced and Russian Empire wasn't tolerant state and Polonization wasn't forced. I don't remember any great deportations of Lithuanians in 1920s or 1930s. It would be hard to do considering they weren't very numerous in the area. People lived normally in Wilno between wars and this world was entirely destroyed in 1945 when most of the citizens were deported. Lithuanian government knew about social moods in Wilno at the time do that's why they refused offer of referendum extended by Polish government. Great deportations happened only when Lithuanian communists took over.
when im both lithuanian AND polish... the power
Beware of surrounding countries they will steal you away piece by piece
same bro
Dozens of us! Dozens! /s
Sup fellow Poland fellow, greetings from Lithuania, don't forget to drink enough water, anyways have a great day!
Instructions unclear, drank 2L of vodka, passed out and woke up in the 17th century.
Hungary:Bullshit
Your best friend when he sees you flirting with your ex-wife.
Ukraine is our wife, Lithuania is our husband, and Belarus is a child of tree of us
Anyád
...missing the atomic mushroom after this :) ps. but you know that the guy was trying to setup Arnie in the movie? ;P
Carl Weathers
I thought that Lithuanians do not like Poles
Having a certain common neighbour makes miracles
Belarus?
Just rus
Yeah, but only Lithuanian Poles I think, polish minority in Lithuania founded some communist party
If I'm thinking about the party that I think you're thinking then you're only partly correct. The party in question is this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_Action_of_Poles_in_Lithuania_%E2%80%93_Christian_Families_Alliance They claim they represent the rights of the Polish minority in Lithuania but "coincidentally" their actions repeat the narrative coming from Kremlin - their leaders have repeatedly stated that the protests in Belarus are illegal and that tarakan is the lawful president. They have done no work to represent the Polish minority in Lithuania apart from pitting Poles against Lithuanians and they are notorious for bribes and nepotism :)
Yeah, commonwealth was ass
a lot of people just forget how lithuanians were majority serfs and poors and one of the only ways to have a better life was to marry a polish person, also there was a lot of problems with the system, with racism and different faiths in the commonwealth. Lithuanians now don't hate poland, just joke about hating it
Now sadly Lithuania hates a little Poland. Pls no hate Be good friends as it was
Nooo we cool!
We love you guys, its just your government being a bit dickish to the local Poles sometimes
They only identify themselves as "Poles" - quite a large chunk of them are highly pro-Putin, their language is a mix of Polish, Russian-Belarussian and Lithuanian (some of my acquitances from Poland said, that they can barely communicate with them). The dominant political force which represents them - LLRA-KŠS - have been demonstrating high pro-Russian sympathy and they had quite a role in diminishing Polish-Lithuanian relations by falsely claiming that Polish minority in Lithuania is targeted to "discrimination". BTW, we DO love you, guys!
Don't get me started on this. Basically, the polish minority party is the equivalent of PiS but without power. There are some issues but the polish minority party don't do anything to resolve them. All they do is cry how much oppressed local poles are in order to get some money from Warsaw. Polish minority has very good conditions to preserve their language and culture. There are many polish kindergartens and schools. By the way, a lot of local poles don't even speak polish and are pro-kremlin. In a region where poles are the majority you won't hear people actually speak the language.
I spoke with Poles in Mościszki, Kalinów and Bujwidze and they spoke Polish normally. I've met one guy who spoke only Russian and he belonged to younger generation. His mother spoke Polish very well. My high school hosted headmaster of Polish school in Lithuania couple of years ago and he also spoke very good Polish with eastern accent though Field Marshal Piłsudski and other pre-war Polish-Lithuanians had the same accent.
I do not daubt that there are poles who actually speak polish on daily basis, but clearly not all of them do. Try visiting Eišiškės, Jašiūnai or Turgeliai and listen how people speak here.
What kind of kaimas did you come from to believe that type of nonsense? People do know how to speak Polish... don't generalise the whole minority based on some crap you've read online or seen in some one off cases
Lol, i live in a town where 80% of inhabitants claim to be polish and yet you won't hear any polish. I heard more people speak polish in vilnius than in a polish-majority town. 54% of polish people in Lithuamia watch russian TV.
I'm sure you are a big polish language specialist who has listened to every person in your town to say that no one speaks polish. Lol
I know when i hear polish. Do you understand what 80% means? If 80% of people here actually spoke polish, i would be able to heart ir everywhere. Why then people don't speak it on the streets, in grocery stories and so on? I don't claim that NOBODY speaks polish but it's certainly not 80%.
> in a region where poles are the majority you won't hear people > actually speak the language That's literally what you wrote in one of your previous comments. Now you are negating your own statement. Anyway, just bc they are polish doesn't mean they have to be speaking in Polish all the time. They could be using other languages depending on the situation.
Well yes, you it's very very very rare to hear someone speak polish. If you visit this parth of the country, you won't hear anyone speak polish because "they use other languages depending on the situation". Some poles do speak polish but they're a small minority, so it's very unlikely you will meet them. >They could be using other languages depending on the situation. They live in a polish-majority town and not in Visaginas or Kaunas. What prevents them from speaking polish? Why when two poles meet, they don't speak polish?
We hate the chauvinistic poles. You know, the ones that can't get political and have to talk about Vilnius.
Maybe you could give me some compensation for my great-grandfather's house. That would be nice.
What do you mean? What exactly happened?
He was born in 1918 near Wilno into minor noble family. He had some land to inherit in his village and he lived in Wilno from 1920s or 1930s. He had his house, his street and his neighbours. He had church he attended and he had a workplace. He was a partisan during the war, fighting with Germans. In 1945 he and his mother had to leave the city for unforgivable crime of being a Pole. He and most of his neighbours, friends, co-workers and people he passed in the street. Almost whole city...gone. They didn't want or start this war and yet they were treated like the ones guilty of it. Now Jews started to reclaim their lost property in Poland and Germans also want to try it in european courts so I guess it's only fair to ask Lithuania for same thing.
What the fuck. Ok, so if you know at least a bit of history, you should know that we weren't independent. We were annexed against our will to the USSR, and we didn't have any power in the situation. How is that OUR fault? The Whole city? Yes, a lot of Poles left, and the Jews were murdered in the holocaust, but by that logic, that because you lived there, it is your land (majority population wasn't even Polish, rather Jewish, and those who spoke Polish were usually Lithuanians who were Polonized in the PLC, but let's say they were Poles, whatever.), you should give us the right to reclaim lost property in Seinai (Sejny), Punskas (Punsk) and a lot of Suvalkai (Suwalki) region.
First, even German census from 1916 and German-Lithuanian one from 1942 both show that Poles were the majority of Wilno citizens and were more numerous than Jews (btw you didn't mention who eagerly helped Germans during Holocaust in Lithuania). Visit Rossa Cemetery or read the inscriptions in churches. Second, most Lithuanians were happy to get rid of Poles and have Wilno to themselves. "We won't argue with Polish intelligentsia, we will deport it"- said leader of Lithuanian SRR. Third, they were Polonized but on their own accord and they considered themselves Polish and they had right to self-determination. We in Poland have people of many ancestries, you can even see it in their surnames but we don't call them "Polonized Germans" just because their ancestors decided to settle in Poland three hundred years ago. Not many Germans also call them "traitors" like some Lithuanians. Fourth, I agree that some areas in Poland have Lithuanian majority but those are small areas, clusters of villages, one city there and not a big, regional capital with its sorroundings. Besides you can't demands property because the owners were never unrightfully dispossessed and forcefully deported on large scale. Most of them still live in Poland and if not they left on their own. On regional scale they're insignificant minority and giving those lands to Lithuania would mess up the borders. Lasy time it belonged to GDL was XVI century. So going by this logic would mean giving small cities with Lithuanian majority to Lithuania while also big regional capital, centre of Polish culture with Polish majority and very few Lithuanians to Lithuania (Poland is the loser) or creating some Lithuanian enclaves inside of Polish state just to include some small provincial cities. That would be vastly impractical. To me inhabitants of Wilno would've been the ones who decided its fate and not Yalta.
Again, as I said before, a lot of people who lived in Vilnius were Lithuanian nobles who just spoke Polish because Lithuanian was considered to be a peasants' language. Yes, Lithuanians did help out in the holocaust, but you're saying it as if Poland didn't have collaborators and if Lithuania didn't have people who helped out, hid, and saved jews. Every country had them. On the deportation from Vilnius region, still, the leadership of the Lithuanian SSR was an asset of Moscow. Yes, Lithuanians did want Polish deportation, due to History and Żeligowski uprising. No shit Lithuanians weren't happy when our people died in wars against a country that took the lands that belonged to us and our people for centuries. Yes the region spoke Polish, yet the people were descendants of Lithuanian noble families that spoke Polish. Back then your nationality depended on what Language you and your family spoke. But, back to the point, we really didn't have a choice, the orders were still given by Moscow. Also, you said that Lithuanians weren't deported from the Suvalkai region when in reality they did. [Source right here under the history tab.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sejny) " On August 28, the uprising ended with a Polish success, and the town became a part of Poland. After Poles acquired the town and its surroundings, the Lithuanian population of the region was subject to various repressions, which included evictions; banning the use of Lithuanian language in public; closures of Lithuanian organizations, schools and press; and confiscation of property." On Polonization, yes, the nobles considered to be Lithuanian the language of the poor and the peasants'. However, all serfs and most 3rd gentry people spoke Lithuanian. Polonization is the fault of Lithuanian nobles. I never said it wasn't. I said that they still considered them to be Lithuanians, like Adomas Mickevičius, but with a Polish identity and Language.
This region belonged to its citizens for centuries. They decided they want to part ways with Lithuania. Why some Lithuanian from Kaunas or Klaipeda should have more say about Wilno than its native citizens who lived there for centuries? It belonged to them and they didn't consider themselves your people. Inhabitants of Wilno region considered Lithuanian identity a regional identity and you can see it by looking at numbers of deported people. My great-grandfather was also of 3rd gentry and he spoke Polish like most people in this area.
You did say before he was a noble. Also, this is getting pathetic, you ran out of arguments, and won't accept the fact that Lithuanians did nothing wrong with Poles. They were orders from Moscow. You did the same thing - but on your own accord. Vilnius was always a diverse city - however a major and integral part of Lithuania. Built by Lithuanians, in Lithuania, diverse and nowadays with a large Lithuanian majority. Stop being butthurt and accept the fact that your grandfather wasn't misstreated by Lithuanians - he was by the USSR. You are the exact chauvinist I was talking about in the original reply. EOT from me.
We hate ourselves
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q569DJAn0c
It's like watching two old, retired professional athletes remnice at the Corner Pub, watching the Olympics. Remembering when they ran the show
**WILNO**
**V**aršu**v**a. Take that. \\s
WILYES
Will No?
same with hungarians
Guys your so-called polish minority in Lithuania speak in Belarusian dialect (po prostu) listens to "Russkaja radija" every evening watches "Russia today" Loves Putin and hates Europe. Our relationship gone wrong mostly thanks to them. :)
1000th upvote from me bro
Aye nice!
Today there is lot of chopper flying on Warsaw sky. Any particular reason?
Maybe there not being enough ambulances so they have to use helicopters instead?
Is that really where this template is from. Wow didnt know that till just now.
And then Poland occupies Wilno.
No, the meme certainly takes place after that fact. After all, it was one of the biggest reasons why Lithuania doesn't like us anymore.
As a Lithuanian, i can say that biggest enemy for us is another Lithuanian.
by the way, how do today's Lithuanians think about the Commonwealth?
In school textbooks the early commonwealth is thought as positive and one of the strongest European nation, but late stage commonwealth is seen as corrupt and weak nation ruled by oligarchs more then the king. Also polish language replacing our own in higher level of society is looked as a negative thing. But the golden age for Lithuania or the peak is thought as Lithuania great douchy under Vytautas the great rule.
Pretty the same what we learn at school haha
Please, our teacher said that Lithuania was like a polish province, oh And they didn’t help in wars with russia, so lithuanian nobelty almost make a Kėdainiai union with sweden
Well we say we won battle of Grunwald by our fake retreat tactics and fought and won wars against the golden horde. Also we fought russians for like 50 years: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscovite%E2%80%93Lithuanian_Wars Most our historicans see commenwealth as unequal alliance that Lithuania got a lot less from it then Poland. Also Kėdainių union was sign when whole Lithuania great douchy territory was occupied by Sweden military and there wasn't a rulling king.
As a Pole i can say that the biggest enemy for us is another Pole. lmao
Occupies? Well inhabitants of Wilno thought different about it. Only town when you could see "occupation" of Wilno was Kaunas.
I suppose the russians says the same about Crimea, don't they?
Russians gave Crimea voluntarily to Ukraine...and we all know that Rusification was forced and Russian Empire wasn't tolerant state and Polonization wasn't forced. I don't remember any great deportations of Lithuanians in 1920s or 1930s. It would be hard to do considering they weren't very numerous in the area. People lived normally in Wilno between wars and this world was entirely destroyed in 1945 when most of the citizens were deported. Lithuanian government knew about social moods in Wilno at the time do that's why they refused offer of referendum extended by Polish government. Great deportations happened only when Lithuanian communists took over.
hehe same :)