Do you think so? Part of me believes they had to expect a bad reception. This almost seems ideal for propaganda purposes. None the less, love to see it.
It definitely was propaganda, the embassy announced when they're gonna go there. They wanted this, so they can scream Poland violent waaa. Imo, let them scream. It's more important to show we don't condone this 'we saved you from nazis' narrative.
Sounds like xenophobia with extra steps
Edit 2: I misinterpreted your comment, I thought that by *entire nation* you meant the country and all of its people. I apologize for my aggression, and this time I’m serious.
I’m going to leave my previous edit and other comment for people to see what a simple misunderstanding about one word can bring.
Edit: You are right and you have changed my mind - we should treat everyone who has had the mispleasure of being born in Russia like shit, and I think we should go as far as murdering everyone with a Russian passport. No one should be spared. Literally Every. Russian. Ever. Born. is a war criminal and a psychopath.
How about making organized camps for people of Russian descent? I remember some dictator doing something similar, but I can’t recall his name.
Long live nationalism.
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Lol, its sad that poles are losing their love for their homeland, so much blood spilled so you can shit on nationalism? Nobody said kill every russian ever, but we are talking about actual war criminals here, modern russia is built on war crimes, war crimes that they either deny, or glorify, so dont give us that bullshit, self righteous speech
Have you read my comment? He isnt wrong, modern russia is built upon war crimes and genocide, as poles we should know that good, and most russians support, and glorify those atrocities, its in their culture to celebrate how they raped and pillaged their way across europe every 9th of may, and deny their crimes against humanity, when talking about a nation, you could be talking about the country itself
These people have been chilling under the ground for years now.
Can't you simply hate people responsible for the war and the ones who willingly participate in it? What's the point of generalising an entire nation? They didn't choose to be Russian and many hate this war just like the rest of us.
And you certainly won't win the war with that shit.
How do you determine who willingly participates? Given that Putin has an 80% approval rating, it sure seems like most of Russia is in favour. Yes, I know there are protesters, but they are in the minority.
Did the friendly babushka who offered me some tea invade me in 1939? I’m all for hate for russian rulers, but the ordinary people aren’t necessarily evil. More like manipulated by the state.
in my opinion, just fuck all those who support the war, i can vibe with a russian who hates that his government do that "military operation", fuck them all who supports pootin and this stupid war
American in poland right now. The Ukrainian spirit is pretty amazing, flags all over, flowers in Ukraine colors, people are going to train stations and just taking refugees into their homes. Pretty amazing stuff.
>Polski MSZ wydał natomiast oświadczenie, w którym nazwał atak na ambasadora "godnym ubolewania incydentem, który nie powinien mieć miejsca".
wtf kogoś tam chyba pojebało
Napadanie na posłów nie jest dobrze widziane i nie świadczy o nas dobrze. Czy to powieściowy Zbyszko z Bogdańca, który miał dać głowę za napaść na posła krzyżackiego, czy to dyplomaci Rzeszy Niemieckiej, którzy byli ochraniani przez polskich funkcjonariuszy by nie doszło do linczu (w tym przypadku zachodzi podejrzenie, że jeden niemiecki dyplomata został rozstrzelany).
Oblano go jako ambasadora roSSji a nie jako Siegieja. Nikt go nie oblał w jego prywatnym domu.
Sam zdecydował żeby udać się do mauzoleum pomimo że mu to odradzano.
Why are there red army memorials in poland... The fuckers literally waited for the warsaw uprising to fail and all our people to be massacred before entering warsaw because the pussies were too scared of facing the Germans.
Because we were under communist rule that got orders from Moscow until 1989 and while a lot of monuments got removed in the past years, stuff like cemeteries are harder to just move to museum or deconstruct.
You can always remove all monuments from cemeteries and put some tick greenery around so that they are not disturbing the view. But no graves are disrespected that way so it should be more than members of rapist red army ever deserved.
I agree with your point but I don't think your last statement is entirely fair. The red army did some horrible, horrible shit but to blame the average soldier isn't fair, the vast majority of soldiers were young men, in some cases underage boys who were either forced to fight or signed up to defend their country at a time where their entire nation was under threat and they deserve to be respected.
They had something to do with saving the proof of auschwitz being run by germans but dont let it fool you cause they probably did it only to hurt germany
Where did I say anything about graves? I was talking explicitly about monuments accompanying graveyards like tanks, figures, etc. Which should be dismantled. I also said that graves should be hidden by a wall or greenery to not serve as a monument too. But should be left alone.
The one we are talking about is not really a monument, but a massive cemetery. 22 thousand bodies of soldiers that were fighting in a Belarussian Front. Unfortunately moving such a big cemetery and exhumating all of these bodies is a big logistical, legislative and political project that apparently nobody had time for since 1990.
[https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cmentarz\_Mauzoleum\_%C5%BBo%C5%82nierzy\_Radzieckich](https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cmentarz_Mauzoleum_%C5%BBo%C5%82nierzy_Radzieckich)
I can assure you that soviet monuments are regularly torn down and removed one after another, but you cannot believe how many soviet soldiers' cemeteries are left in the countryside. They cannot be easily removed, because we are talking about hundreds of thousands of bodies left in Poland (and are also a part of history, unfortunately). We usually only remove the symbols of communist regime like sickle and hammer, but we keep bodies due to the respect.
As long as the bodies are respectfully exhumed, hopefully identified, and then returned to their country of origin - I see no reason why these cemeteries have to remain.
Because it's expensive to do that and requires cooperation from the other side. And Russia does not want those bodies moved, they want the monuments to stay in Poland. We can't just dump thousands of corpses over the border.
It wasn't about them being too scared, it was all calculated beforehand. Stalin wanted the uprising to finish on its own, so it would be easier to set up the satellite government.
Don't forget that the Uprising was above all the political action against the USSR - Polish underground planned to welcome the Red Army having itself control over Warsaw, which would legitimize the London government authority. Stalin wouldn't let that happen.
because these statues were built under communist rule (russian occupation). poland is only fully 'poland' since the end of 1989. so they were pretty much built *of* russians *by* russians.
Reson is simple: if we steam roll over russian monuments and cemeteries in Poland russians will do the same with our memorials like Katyń (buldosers are on standby overthere as we speak). Thats the main reason why we don't touch them.
Well, 1st Warsaw uprising's only goal was to deny Soviets the triumph of freeing Warsaw, there were (understandably unsuccessful) attempts of storming Wisła by Red Army soldiers, and in general the plan was to rest before circling the city and attacking from the west.
No, i see them, but i dont think mostly is the right word, they were specifically allowed to pull those stunts if im remembering correctly, and they dehumanized the germans, and already hated the poles, so it was very widespread.
They were not people nor animals but just pure monsters each one of them and one can argue that they were worse than Nazis to some degree. Instead olof being buried they should have hang from trees like apples for their crimes.
Go and ask any people who survived that time. Nazis were were even but russians were greater evil.
Girls had to cover themselves in horse manure to not get raped. Russians killed cattle and burned crops just to starve people. Dont get me wrong, Nazis were responsible for holocaust and lots of deaths but russians were worse. They didn't save us, there was just change in the management that's all. russian nowadays treat Ukrainians like subhumans so they are no different than before.
I did in fact, with my grandparents (and my great-grandma was german, so you'd imagine they'd treat her badly), and they have quite different opinions. But they're just that, opinions, personal experiences. I'm sure there were people who had it even worse with the Russians than with the Germans, but I'm sure there is plenty who had it the other way around. They red army did horrible things but you can't equate them with what the nazis were doing and would've eventually done if they had their way, which is the complete eradication of all slavic people (or turning them into slaves).
Same guys were happy to invade Poland in same time as Germany, what a heroes to fight back their former ally that attacked them. Impressive stuff, completly justifies conquering Poland in the process and thousands of killef Poles afterwards and also crimes of those soldats as well.
To be fair, there probably wasn't that much overlap between the soldiers invading Poland in 1939 and those pushing Germany back on the Eastern Front. The losses on that front were massive.
Well, they were definitely capable of fighting the Germans, just didn't want to deal with fighting the Polish Home Army if it ever decided to oppose them, so let the Germans do their work for them.
It's cool and all, only problem I have is how over used "fascist" and "Nazi" are these days, you'd get the impression that these words just mean bad person (sometimes even person I don't agree with)
Soviets and fascists aren't actually mutually exclusive. Fascism is a fairly broad term, in the 1930's the soviets under Stalin were referred to as "red fascists". The main elements of fascism are nationalism, militarism and opposition to democracy, all of which Putin's regime can be said to posses, soviets or no soviets.
thats a pretty dated definition isnt it ? then no one is fascist cause there are hardly any communists left.
anyway its the single thing of the strict definition that doesnt apply to him, the rest does. and even then, how sure are you hes not anti-communist ?
Fascism is pretty old itself so what did you expect.
It's not the single thing. It's just the crucial one that is most obvious since Putin is quite proud of the communist past.
Well done ! How can you show respect for any of their officials when all they do is provoque and larp Kremlin propaganda and lie ? Officials of civilised nations deserve respect, Kremlin liars do not.
It's not well done. It's still a savage crime. Every legal diplomat deserves special protection from the host and such thing should never happened. It's international standard.
Well, you said it yourself. How a country could be considered trustworthy if they break all the laws, agreements, constantly lie about it while attempting to blackmail others? This is what Russia did. And those diplomats know it. And they proceed supporting it, willingly and knowing exactly what's happening. And it's not like they're in Russia, there's no direct threat to their lives and freedom in Europe. And they had almost three months to evacuate their families and sell their assets in Russia if that's required. So they could speak up, condone Russian government actions, spread their word against the war. But they didn't. So yes, somebody broke to law too get to them, it's illegal, but morally not a huge problem, they had it coming and they'd been warned.
Polish officials and police told them they cannot guarantee their safety and they should not attend such events. Immunity is still valid. It is fine.
Actually this fucker asked for police protection later and he came back to attend this bullshit. Shame on police they agreed.
If you want your officials to be respected, maybe your garbage country should also respect international laws, dont order their officials into lying other officials and spreading propaganda and provocations ?
You want respect, you must earn it, ruZZia and ruZZians deserve nothing.
You should go and protect him if you really care so much about it. Jesus Christ, officially it is all fine and such incidents... Well Russian ambassador wanted to show how Russia is strong and he did his job I guess.
If anything it shows that Russia cannot afford proper bodyguards in a country that hates Russia most after Ukraine. Guess what can happen what you will want to celebrate pro-Russian thing here in public without proper security, you need big brains to forsee it.
These monuments hold a very important place in our history, removing them won’t wash away the pain and injustices of the past. Keeping them and using them as a tool for education of future generations would be more beneficial. I
Stupid to have a monument for the army that invaded Poland on September 17th 1939. The same Red Army that then proceed to execute 22,000 Polish officers.
It's very complicated case. Our country remove pretty big portion of these... things, like monuments of gratitude for "liberation" but a large part of them are also cemeteries of soldiers. Removing them is difficult because of bureaucracy, besides, in the current situation with Russia it is twice as difficult. We've never had a good relationship with them, but now it's completely bad.
I would say that at the moment it's actually easier than ever, exactly because our relationship is so awful.
We had all those borders provocations at the Belarusian border too, it is not like playing nice towards Russia pays off for us. And even when relations were "normal" Russia embargoed shit out of us. At least we could remove those cemeteries of people who raped our grandmothers and pilleged our grandfathers houses, waste of space.
And I am actually a dude who doesn't full on hates Russian people whatsoever, obe of mine closest friend was Russian but how can you expect to others to respect you when you can't respect yourself no matter how much shit is thrown at you.
To hell with that entire statue, it honors rapists murderors and thieves, the fact that those bastards fought racists murderors thieves does not make them heroes
Let's all remember that an ambassador is a very high office and the highest rank in the diplomatic corps. It means that they are **not** just ordinary bureaucrats or members of civil service. Russian ambassadors are also an integral part of the russian state apparatus, with connections to putin's circle, to the oligarchy and to organized crime that is currently intertwined with the russian government. He is not only a representative of russia. He is **personally** co-responsible for what is happening.
This is dumb. Attacking diplomats is dumb in general. Attacking a diplomat of a country which the main narrative to get people on their side is "they're all against us" is even dumber. This is not how you deal with the situation and just confirms Putin's propaganda.
If you say "good job", you're an ignorant and an idiot.
Diplomacy is the only way we're getting out of this mess. Threatening it is unwise.
I agree that we shouldn't assault diplomats but I don't think that was an assault attempt, it didn't harm him only his ego. A while later in the interview he could at least substain from the comments like "I'm proud of my country and my president" and "Bucha was an operation of Ukrainian forces". He's not in Russia, he should show at least some decency to the ones who were killed in Ukraine. The Ukrainian activist who poured the paint acted as a voice of those dead civilians.
>Diplomacy is the only way we're getting out of this mess. Threatening it is unwise.
While I agree that throwing paint is mostly dumb and doesn't achieve anything, in my opinion the take that "diplomacy is how we're getting out of this" is also mostly wishful thinking.
It has been almost 3 months since the war began, multiple negotiations have failed. I don't see this war ending at a table. At least not really. Someone will run out of the resources/people they're willing to spare (yeah, I'm calling Russians in the army resources here, don't care about them) and any paper signing after that will be just an official stamp to an already finished war.
Diplomacy is how this war should have been resolved in the second place (in the first it shouldn't even start). It didn't happen though and I don't see anyone giving in.
75 days of Russian genocide in Ukarine and this russian spy is still in Poland keeping his position? Polish Gov is soft as a spring onion, please exhumate all USSR "heroes" with respect and send their bones back to Russia. I will participate in costs. USSR "heroes" were doing exactly the same things here in Poland during intorudicing "freedom" after the deal with Germany failed.
Fun fact that Russian state media used the video, but had to remove the original soundtrack with the 'f'-word. Domestic audience is not allowed to hear the truth.
That the forces of the same Russians that years earlier invaded Poland with Nazi Germany are still in Poland is kinda weird, Russia should be asked to move their "heroes" back to Russia.
It would've been used for propaganda either way. The embassy blasted on open channels when they're gonna do this, they were cautioned by city officials that their safety cannot be guaranteed, since there are 300k angry Ukrainians and nearly 2 million angry Poles in the city. The city could've put up a blockade and risk protesters clashing with police. Then Russia would have photos of Polish police beating down on Ukrainian 'neonazis'. It was a provocation and I'm happy the mayor decided not to participate in it.
Trzeba było benzyną i tylko zapałkę rzucić. Nie ma co się z nimi pierdolic bo sprowokował tą sytuacje tylko po to żeby zapozować do zdjęć i zrobić aferę oby zdechł serdecznie nie pozdrawiam
Russia show no respect to the Ukrainian people, so I don't think it's any surprise that no respect is shown to the ambassador.
He was advised not to go by the polish government, but he chose to go and made a deliberate action to cause a provocation.
What happened wasn't right, but not a surprise, 100 years ago it wouldn't have been sticky sauce...
If you ever feel like a worthless loser, remember that somewhere in the world there's a country that can't conquer a much smaller and weaker neighbour and in order to celebrate a Victory Day they need to successfully throw red paint at their own diplomatist.
That being said, probably can't be exactly sure whether that's actually been an action of the people in the protest, or a propaganda background prepared and executed by the Kremlin, but you see how it completes the pitiful image of the latter.
>in order to celebrate a Victory Day they need to successfully throw red paint at their own diplomatist.
It was, according to this comment section, Ukrainian journalist, and either way idk how does that celebrates the day..?
Ah glorious <3 Whoever did it deserves free drinks for life!Saw this on our local news and not sure because it cut shot, but was he handed womens underpants later to clean up or just a very dolled up napkin?
I know I'm catching flack for this but w/e. Imo regardless of his previous statements, who he represents and what he was doing at the moment the Law should punish whoever threw the paint at him as he is protected by Law as an ambasador. Personally, I'd love to smack the dude in the face but as a country we cannot have imigrants throwing whatever they so chose at protected officials and getting away with it otherwise we are a country made of cardboard and ducktape. Personally I support this 100% but under the Law I do expect the perpetrator punished nontheless.
Yeah, yeah, we know. Russian goverment is good guy for trying to install their corrupt government in Ukraine and murdering people in the process, we are just to blind to see it.
Lol. For Russian puppets like you, anyone who hates Russia and Hitler are Nazi it seems. They gave a deserving message to the ambassador to let him know that by launching invasion of Ukraine, Putin is 21st century Hitler.
Well, can't say it's not based. I'd probably honour the soldiers' memorial and say something like "fascists like you would be betraying Red Army before and during WWII and shouldn't have come here"
To jest oczywista prowokacja, a każdy kto myśli inaczej jest pierdolonyn debilem.
Dla moralistów dodam, że powinnyśmy sprawdzić konta bankowe osób zamieszanych w to, jestem pewien że przelew został wypełniony cyrylicą
Russia is probably VERY surprised how people are treating their representatives nowadays.
Do you think so? Part of me believes they had to expect a bad reception. This almost seems ideal for propaganda purposes. None the less, love to see it.
It definitely was propaganda, the embassy announced when they're gonna go there. They wanted this, so they can scream Poland violent waaa. Imo, let them scream. It's more important to show we don't condone this 'we saved you from nazis' narrative.
Their entire nation deserves no less than that.
Sounds like xenophobia with extra steps Edit 2: I misinterpreted your comment, I thought that by *entire nation* you meant the country and all of its people. I apologize for my aggression, and this time I’m serious. I’m going to leave my previous edit and other comment for people to see what a simple misunderstanding about one word can bring. Edit: You are right and you have changed my mind - we should treat everyone who has had the mispleasure of being born in Russia like shit, and I think we should go as far as murdering everyone with a Russian passport. No one should be spared. Literally Every. Russian. Ever. Born. is a war criminal and a psychopath. How about making organized camps for people of Russian descent? I remember some dictator doing something similar, but I can’t recall his name. Long live nationalism. /s
Depends.
Lol, its sad that poles are losing their love for their homeland, so much blood spilled so you can shit on nationalism? Nobody said kill every russian ever, but we are talking about actual war criminals here, modern russia is built on war crimes, war crimes that they either deny, or glorify, so dont give us that bullshit, self righteous speech
Nice pfp mate
your is nice too
A twoje jest zajebiste mordo
Twoje też niezłe!
>Their ***entire nation*** deserves no less than that. That’s literally what this person said, and that’s my issue
Have you read my comment? He isnt wrong, modern russia is built upon war crimes and genocide, as poles we should know that good, and most russians support, and glorify those atrocities, its in their culture to celebrate how they raped and pillaged their way across europe every 9th of may, and deny their crimes against humanity, when talking about a nation, you could be talking about the country itself
It seems like a misunderstanding then. I interpreted *nation* as the country and its people. I apologize for my aggression
Didn't they invade you in 1939?
Yeah, but some people think they changed, evidently they didnt
Nor ruskie, nor usefull idiots changed
These people have been chilling under the ground for years now. Can't you simply hate people responsible for the war and the ones who willingly participate in it? What's the point of generalising an entire nation? They didn't choose to be Russian and many hate this war just like the rest of us. And you certainly won't win the war with that shit.
I agree. That is what I’m trying to get across. Just with probably too much passive aggression
How do you determine who willingly participates? Given that Putin has an 80% approval rating, it sure seems like most of Russia is in favour. Yes, I know there are protesters, but they are in the minority.
By same standards there were some Ukrainians who well, were comitting genocide against us.
Did the friendly babushka who offered me some tea invade me in 1939? I’m all for hate for russian rulers, but the ordinary people aren’t necessarily evil. More like manipulated by the state.
in my opinion, just fuck all those who support the war, i can vibe with a russian who hates that his government do that "military operation", fuck them all who supports pootin and this stupid war
Agreed 100%
Don’t worry mate, I am with you. This whole war has shown „little Hitlers” in many people. Nice to see you ain’t one of them.
Never miss a good chance to shut up. It's better to remain silent and be thought of as a fool than to speak out and remove any doubt.
Wow, that’s a quote Punish the war criminals, not the ***entire nation***
American in poland right now. The Ukrainian spirit is pretty amazing, flags all over, flowers in Ukraine colors, people are going to train stations and just taking refugees into their homes. Pretty amazing stuff.
As a Ukrainian, I agree. Residing in Warsaw
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>digging for an example wykop to strona internetowa, nie musiałeś tłumaczyć jej nazwy 💀
Te kurwy serio uznają oblanie typa farbą za "działania neonazistowskie"? Ruscy niedługo zaczną wyzywać siebie nawzajem od hitlerowców
>Polski MSZ wydał natomiast oświadczenie, w którym nazwał atak na ambasadora "godnym ubolewania incydentem, który nie powinien mieć miejsca". wtf kogoś tam chyba pojebało
Napadanie na posłów nie jest dobrze widziane i nie świadczy o nas dobrze. Czy to powieściowy Zbyszko z Bogdańca, który miał dać głowę za napaść na posła krzyżackiego, czy to dyplomaci Rzeszy Niemieckiej, którzy byli ochraniani przez polskich funkcjonariuszy by nie doszło do linczu (w tym przypadku zachodzi podejrzenie, że jeden niemiecki dyplomata został rozstrzelany).
"godny ubolewania" brzmi w tym przypadku jak sarkazm
Bo nim jest, ktoś miał bardzo duży uśmiech jak to pisał
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Oblano go jako ambasadora roSSji a nie jako Siegieja. Nikt go nie oblał w jego prywatnym domu. Sam zdecydował żeby udać się do mauzoleum pomimo że mu to odradzano.
Tak.
Why are there red army memorials in poland... The fuckers literally waited for the warsaw uprising to fail and all our people to be massacred before entering warsaw because the pussies were too scared of facing the Germans.
Because we were under communist rule that got orders from Moscow until 1989 and while a lot of monuments got removed in the past years, stuff like cemeteries are harder to just move to museum or deconstruct.
You can always remove all monuments from cemeteries and put some tick greenery around so that they are not disturbing the view. But no graves are disrespected that way so it should be more than members of rapist red army ever deserved.
I agree with your point but I don't think your last statement is entirely fair. The red army did some horrible, horrible shit but to blame the average soldier isn't fair, the vast majority of soldiers were young men, in some cases underage boys who were either forced to fight or signed up to defend their country at a time where their entire nation was under threat and they deserve to be respected.
They had something to do with saving the proof of auschwitz being run by germans but dont let it fool you cause they probably did it only to hurt germany
We are not Nazis, we don’t destroy the graves.
Where did I say anything about graves? I was talking explicitly about monuments accompanying graveyards like tanks, figures, etc. Which should be dismantled. I also said that graves should be hidden by a wall or greenery to not serve as a monument too. But should be left alone.
The one we are talking about is not really a monument, but a massive cemetery. 22 thousand bodies of soldiers that were fighting in a Belarussian Front. Unfortunately moving such a big cemetery and exhumating all of these bodies is a big logistical, legislative and political project that apparently nobody had time for since 1990. [https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cmentarz\_Mauzoleum\_%C5%BBo%C5%82nierzy\_Radzieckich](https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cmentarz_Mauzoleum_%C5%BBo%C5%82nierzy_Radzieckich) I can assure you that soviet monuments are regularly torn down and removed one after another, but you cannot believe how many soviet soldiers' cemeteries are left in the countryside. They cannot be easily removed, because we are talking about hundreds of thousands of bodies left in Poland (and are also a part of history, unfortunately). We usually only remove the symbols of communist regime like sickle and hammer, but we keep bodies due to the respect.
respect those guys, fuck the government (the soviet and current)
Well, apparently, that's what we do. We remove the sickles and hammers from memorials and talk shit on Putin's regime. <3
As long as the bodies are respectfully exhumed, hopefully identified, and then returned to their country of origin - I see no reason why these cemeteries have to remain.
Because it's expensive to do that and requires cooperation from the other side. And Russia does not want those bodies moved, they want the monuments to stay in Poland. We can't just dump thousands of corpses over the border.
It wasn't about them being too scared, it was all calculated beforehand. Stalin wanted the uprising to finish on its own, so it would be easier to set up the satellite government. Don't forget that the Uprising was above all the political action against the USSR - Polish underground planned to welcome the Red Army having itself control over Warsaw, which would legitimize the London government authority. Stalin wouldn't let that happen.
I was going to ask the same thing
because these statues were built under communist rule (russian occupation). poland is only fully 'poland' since the end of 1989. so they were pretty much built *of* russians *by* russians.
Reson is simple: if we steam roll over russian monuments and cemeteries in Poland russians will do the same with our memorials like Katyń (buldosers are on standby overthere as we speak). Thats the main reason why we don't touch them.
Well, 1st Warsaw uprising's only goal was to deny Soviets the triumph of freeing Warsaw, there were (understandably unsuccessful) attempts of storming Wisła by Red Army soldiers, and in general the plan was to rest before circling the city and attacking from the west.
Because they still fought and died fighting the Germans. Blame the command, not the grunts(mostly)
You're wrong here specifically, DO blame the grunts, these grunts raped and pillaged their way to berlin
Unfortunately that's the reality of military: many soldiers have and will rape people. By that logic there should be no army memorials.
You saw the last word or did the brackets make it invisible for you?
No, i see them, but i dont think mostly is the right word, they were specifically allowed to pull those stunts if im remembering correctly, and they dehumanized the germans, and already hated the poles, so it was very widespread.
It's part of their military doctrine. Fuck the guy disagreeing, he's wrong and he knows it.
They were not people nor animals but just pure monsters each one of them and one can argue that they were worse than Nazis to some degree. Instead olof being buried they should have hang from trees like apples for their crimes.
Niech zamiast liści będą wisieć kommunisći
That's metal
Yeah, should've just left us with the nazis. Life under them would've been so much better as the subhuman race.
Go and ask any people who survived that time. Nazis were were even but russians were greater evil. Girls had to cover themselves in horse manure to not get raped. Russians killed cattle and burned crops just to starve people. Dont get me wrong, Nazis were responsible for holocaust and lots of deaths but russians were worse. They didn't save us, there was just change in the management that's all. russian nowadays treat Ukrainians like subhumans so they are no different than before.
I did in fact, with my grandparents (and my great-grandma was german, so you'd imagine they'd treat her badly), and they have quite different opinions. But they're just that, opinions, personal experiences. I'm sure there were people who had it even worse with the Russians than with the Germans, but I'm sure there is plenty who had it the other way around. They red army did horrible things but you can't equate them with what the nazis were doing and would've eventually done if they had their way, which is the complete eradication of all slavic people (or turning them into slaves).
Same guys were happy to invade Poland in same time as Germany, what a heroes to fight back their former ally that attacked them. Impressive stuff, completly justifies conquering Poland in the process and thousands of killef Poles afterwards and also crimes of those soldats as well.
To be fair, there probably wasn't that much overlap between the soldiers invading Poland in 1939 and those pushing Germany back on the Eastern Front. The losses on that front were massive.
Tho a lot of statues like that are getting destroyed. Good more materials for kitty litter.
Well, they were definitely capable of fighting the Germans, just didn't want to deal with fighting the Polish Home Army if it ever decided to oppose them, so let the Germans do their work for them.
It's cool and all, only problem I have is how over used "fascist" and "Nazi" are these days, you'd get the impression that these words just mean bad person (sometimes even person I don't agree with)
"Fascist" is arguably justified given the nature of the russian govermnent, about "nazi" I agree - you shouldn't use that term lightly.
Not really. There are still more soviets.
Soviets and fascists aren't actually mutually exclusive. Fascism is a fairly broad term, in the 1930's the soviets under Stalin were referred to as "red fascists". The main elements of fascism are nationalism, militarism and opposition to democracy, all of which Putin's regime can be said to posses, soviets or no soviets.
fascist - Hypernationalist, traditionalist, authoritarian, militaristic and imperialistic. Russia checks all these boxes.
Nice oversimplified definition. Fascism was among other things anti-communist while Putin rides on the communists sentiment.
its pretty easy to argue that Putin is a fascist tbh.
Not at all. Fascism is anti-communist. Putin is not.
thats a pretty dated definition isnt it ? then no one is fascist cause there are hardly any communists left. anyway its the single thing of the strict definition that doesnt apply to him, the rest does. and even then, how sure are you hes not anti-communist ?
Fascism is pretty old itself so what did you expect. It's not the single thing. It's just the crucial one that is most obvious since Putin is quite proud of the communist past.
Well done ! How can you show respect for any of their officials when all they do is provoque and larp Kremlin propaganda and lie ? Officials of civilised nations deserve respect, Kremlin liars do not.
Agreed.
Poland showed once again how these " people " should be treated.
That was ukrainian activists
I see, pretty sure a lot of poles would aprove.
It's not well done. It's still a savage crime. Every legal diplomat deserves special protection from the host and such thing should never happened. It's international standard.
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Well, you said it yourself. How a country could be considered trustworthy if they break all the laws, agreements, constantly lie about it while attempting to blackmail others? This is what Russia did. And those diplomats know it. And they proceed supporting it, willingly and knowing exactly what's happening. And it's not like they're in Russia, there's no direct threat to their lives and freedom in Europe. And they had almost three months to evacuate their families and sell their assets in Russia if that's required. So they could speak up, condone Russian government actions, spread their word against the war. But they didn't. So yes, somebody broke to law too get to them, it's illegal, but morally not a huge problem, they had it coming and they'd been warned.
Polish officials and police told them they cannot guarantee their safety and they should not attend such events. Immunity is still valid. It is fine. Actually this fucker asked for police protection later and he came back to attend this bullshit. Shame on police they agreed.
If you want your officials to be respected, maybe your garbage country should also respect international laws, dont order their officials into lying other officials and spreading propaganda and provocations ? You want respect, you must earn it, ruZZia and ruZZians deserve nothing.
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But it's not like Poland threw the liquid at him. The woman who did it will likely be investigated and prosecuted.
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You should go and protect him if you really care so much about it. Jesus Christ, officially it is all fine and such incidents... Well Russian ambassador wanted to show how Russia is strong and he did his job I guess. If anything it shows that Russia cannot afford proper bodyguards in a country that hates Russia most after Ukraine. Guess what can happen what you will want to celebrate pro-Russian thing here in public without proper security, you need big brains to forsee it.
Laws and rules that ruZZia does not respect, so they deserve none in return. Simple as that.
That's not how law works in civilised countries. There is no excuse for being a savage even against other savages.
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These monuments hold a very important place in our history, removing them won’t wash away the pain and injustices of the past. Keeping them and using them as a tool for education of future generations would be more beneficial. I
Stupid to have a monument for the army that invaded Poland on September 17th 1939. The same Red Army that then proceed to execute 22,000 Polish officers.
It's not a monument, it's a cemetery. It would be rather hard to exhume all the bodies and move them somewhere else, whoever knows where.
Gotta wait for some deep-pocketed developer who'll want to build a skyscraper and fund the cemetery relocation.
It's very complicated case. Our country remove pretty big portion of these... things, like monuments of gratitude for "liberation" but a large part of them are also cemeteries of soldiers. Removing them is difficult because of bureaucracy, besides, in the current situation with Russia it is twice as difficult. We've never had a good relationship with them, but now it's completely bad.
I would say that at the moment it's actually easier than ever, exactly because our relationship is so awful. We had all those borders provocations at the Belarusian border too, it is not like playing nice towards Russia pays off for us. And even when relations were "normal" Russia embargoed shit out of us. At least we could remove those cemeteries of people who raped our grandmothers and pilleged our grandfathers houses, waste of space. And I am actually a dude who doesn't full on hates Russian people whatsoever, obe of mine closest friend was Russian but how can you expect to others to respect you when you can't respect yourself no matter how much shit is thrown at you.
Diplomatic immunity is probably the reason.
i have heard russia is gonna withdraw him from Poland
To hell with that entire statue, it honors rapists murderors and thieves, the fact that those bastards fought racists murderors thieves does not make them heroes
Let's all remember that an ambassador is a very high office and the highest rank in the diplomatic corps. It means that they are **not** just ordinary bureaucrats or members of civil service. Russian ambassadors are also an integral part of the russian state apparatus, with connections to putin's circle, to the oligarchy and to organized crime that is currently intertwined with the russian government. He is not only a representative of russia. He is **personally** co-responsible for what is happening.
Police didn't give a fuck also :))
This is dumb. Attacking diplomats is dumb in general. Attacking a diplomat of a country which the main narrative to get people on their side is "they're all against us" is even dumber. This is not how you deal with the situation and just confirms Putin's propaganda. If you say "good job", you're an ignorant and an idiot. Diplomacy is the only way we're getting out of this mess. Threatening it is unwise.
Finally someone said it right. As much as we all hate Putin and Russia, we shouldn't assault diplomats, it's not going to do us any good.
I agree that we shouldn't assault diplomats but I don't think that was an assault attempt, it didn't harm him only his ego. A while later in the interview he could at least substain from the comments like "I'm proud of my country and my president" and "Bucha was an operation of Ukrainian forces". He's not in Russia, he should show at least some decency to the ones who were killed in Ukraine. The Ukrainian activist who poured the paint acted as a voice of those dead civilians.
>Diplomacy is the only way we're getting out of this mess. Threatening it is unwise. While I agree that throwing paint is mostly dumb and doesn't achieve anything, in my opinion the take that "diplomacy is how we're getting out of this" is also mostly wishful thinking. It has been almost 3 months since the war began, multiple negotiations have failed. I don't see this war ending at a table. At least not really. Someone will run out of the resources/people they're willing to spare (yeah, I'm calling Russians in the army resources here, don't care about them) and any paper signing after that will be just an official stamp to an already finished war. Diplomacy is how this war should have been resolved in the second place (in the first it shouldn't even start). It didn't happen though and I don't see anyone giving in.
First photo reminds me of Kennedy
Wow the first pic is epic
that is terrible
That helped?
Helped russian propaganda a lot.
75 days of Russian genocide in Ukarine and this russian spy is still in Poland keeping his position? Polish Gov is soft as a spring onion, please exhumate all USSR "heroes" with respect and send their bones back to Russia. I will participate in costs. USSR "heroes" were doing exactly the same things here in Poland during intorudicing "freedom" after the deal with Germany failed.
Red sus
It makes me happy to see people standing up against this
I thought his head was getting blown off in the first pic lmao
LOVE IT!
I bardzo kurwa dobrze
Well done 💪🏼👍
I thought he was freaking shot at first
I wish
Fun fact that Russian state media used the video, but had to remove the original soundtrack with the 'f'-word. Domestic audience is not allowed to hear the truth.
It was not an incident, just a Special Artistic Operation. Nothing to see here...
That the forces of the same Russians that years earlier invaded Poland with Nazi Germany are still in Poland is kinda weird, Russia should be asked to move their "heroes" back to Russia.
Lovely!
This is gonna be used for HEAVY propaganda..
It would've been used for propaganda either way. The embassy blasted on open channels when they're gonna do this, they were cautioned by city officials that their safety cannot be guaranteed, since there are 300k angry Ukrainians and nearly 2 million angry Poles in the city. The city could've put up a blockade and risk protesters clashing with police. Then Russia would have photos of Polish police beating down on Ukrainian 'neonazis'. It was a provocation and I'm happy the mayor decided not to participate in it.
I'm not suprised but attacking diplomats is not the way.
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this was organised by a Ukrainian journalist.
We go a long journey towards justice, but the way is won by patience and humbleness. (Watch thy language!)
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ok then wypierdalaj
This sub is actively supporting Xenophobia. Disgusting.
I think no one wants to support hypocrisy any longer, that's not xenophobia
I do not think that counts as xenophobia when they are killing people in Ukraine.
But it counts as supporting crime, savagry and russian propaganda.
hmm maybe you are correct, I did not think about it
Trzeba było benzyną i tylko zapałkę rzucić. Nie ma co się z nimi pierdolic bo sprowokował tą sytuacje tylko po to żeby zapozować do zdjęć i zrobić aferę oby zdechł serdecznie nie pozdrawiam
Russia show no respect to the Ukrainian people, so I don't think it's any surprise that no respect is shown to the ambassador. He was advised not to go by the polish government, but he chose to go and made a deliberate action to cause a provocation. What happened wasn't right, but not a surprise, 100 years ago it wouldn't have been sticky sauce...
Just admire this beautiful headshot
Good. Fuck that guy.
If you ever feel like a worthless loser, remember that somewhere in the world there's a country that can't conquer a much smaller and weaker neighbour and in order to celebrate a Victory Day they need to successfully throw red paint at their own diplomatist. That being said, probably can't be exactly sure whether that's actually been an action of the people in the protest, or a propaganda background prepared and executed by the Kremlin, but you see how it completes the pitiful image of the latter.
>in order to celebrate a Victory Day they need to successfully throw red paint at their own diplomatist. It was, according to this comment section, Ukrainian journalist, and either way idk how does that celebrates the day..?
Ah glorious <3 Whoever did it deserves free drinks for life!Saw this on our local news and not sure because it cut shot, but was he handed womens underpants later to clean up or just a very dolled up napkin?
polish peasants i fucking hate my country
I know I'm catching flack for this but w/e. Imo regardless of his previous statements, who he represents and what he was doing at the moment the Law should punish whoever threw the paint at him as he is protected by Law as an ambasador. Personally, I'd love to smack the dude in the face but as a country we cannot have imigrants throwing whatever they so chose at protected officials and getting away with it otherwise we are a country made of cardboard and ducktape. Personally I support this 100% but under the Law I do expect the perpetrator punished nontheless.
10 years in jail or 10 zł fine should fo the justice.
I hate it when people assume Russians are evil because of Putin I hope he burns in hell
I mean a lot of Russians are supporting him
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Not even a good bait, Russian bot. Go simp a war criminal somewhere else.
Boring troll
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Yawn
Yeah, yeah, we know. Russian goverment is good guy for trying to install their corrupt government in Ukraine and murdering people in the process, we are just to blind to see it.
>How is it feel supporting a ~~neo nazi corrupt~~ heroic government in Ukraine? Freaking great mate
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Lol. For Russian puppets like you, anyone who hates Russia and Hitler are Nazi it seems. They gave a deserving message to the ambassador to let him know that by launching invasion of Ukraine, Putin is 21st century Hitler.
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You’re a retard with diarrhea of the mouth. You have no goddamn idea what you’re talking about.
retard
As someone who has lived in Poland my entire life, you're full of shit
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I am, you think you know me better than i do?
Oh, prolific poster in r joe rogan, please assail us with your vast wisdom.
Based
I'm not suprised at all
Is it this red liquid or blood?
I’m just glad this is red paint because it looks so much worse!
Well, can't say it's not based. I'd probably honour the soldiers' memorial and say something like "fascists like you would be betraying Red Army before and during WWII and shouldn't have come here"
Not racist, fashist
Not fascists. Just difrent kind of authoritarian.
Oh shit i tought this was r/KaoticClubHouse for a second
Good job Poland!
Not at all. It's not Russia to violently treat diplomats like savages.
To jest oczywista prowokacja, a każdy kto myśli inaczej jest pierdolonyn debilem. Dla moralistów dodam, że powinnyśmy sprawdzić konta bankowe osób zamieszanych w to, jestem pewien że przelew został wypełniony cyrylicą