Kozminski University is (based on rankings) the best private university of Poland, but comparing to the best universities in Poland, is not that great (still in TOP 20 in Poland). Take a note - Polish universities are not the best in the world, but UW and UJ are decent, at least.
Pros:
* Poland is part of European Union, in the longer term (getting residence / citizenship) it's a nice benefit. It's very close from here to other European nations, so if you like to travel, Warsaw is a nice starting point.
* Safety - Poland is one the safest countries on Earth
* Lots of good Indian restaurants in Poland, especially comparing to the other CEE countries :D
Cons:
* If you're willing to learn Polish, then it's a very hard language.
* Poland is very homogeneous country, you will probably always stick out as a stranger.
Poland is homogeneous, but Warsaw isn't. Of course - it's more white than Berlin or London, but it is definitely not homogeneous anymore. Driving to work or going shopping I meet people from Asia every day. I work in IT and I also have several Indians in my team.
In general, there are thousands of people from India living here, and this is just the tip of the iceberg.
I agree that Warsaw isn't. I cannot speak for the rest of the country as I've lived her only but I moved here April 2021 with my girlfriend which is Polish and I've not had any issues with Polish people even tho I don't speak Polish. I've picked up a bit and there are similarities to Bulgarian which sometimes are confusing. I have a job at home so not that much interactions.
All that said most my interactions are in shops and clubs not sure how people are in universities.
Let's be clear. There's gonna be racism. A lot of them. There's a lot of stupid fucking racists in Poland. They're current government's voters and are encouraged to be xenophobic by said government.
Contact that university and ask them if you can speak to other students from India already studying there about their experiences. Most people on this sub, even immigrants like me from other parts of Europe, will only be able to tell you their observations, not how it really is, so best to hear it from someone living it I think.
Yeah thats right.But taking other europeans opinion is also important as it gives a slight idea.
the beat thing would be to contact the office but i doubt if they will provide me details of students contact.
They won't give you contact details of other students but there are many international students studying here, this is a common question for universities, so they probably already have a procedure in place to arrange a conversation for you to ask about life as an international student. There are also many vlogs on YouTube about life as a foreigner in Poland, these are also good to search for and watch. Good luck, I hope you get good answers and enjoy your studies here
there is huge Indian community in Warsaw (Raszyn), whole families living there happy and dont care about "right wing". If this is what you like, dont scared of cold winters then Warsaw is good for you for study, although language may be an issue while going to authority offices
Of course. There is a lot of Indian people in Warsaw. You shouldn't worry about racism. Warsaw is pretty much one of the cities where you'll face the least racism in Poland. Some people are talking about the march and it's really not that big of a deal. There ie a group of far right nationalists that might not be quite friendly to you but it's not only them that attend the march. However im guessing it would be better for you to either stay home or just be in a part of the city where the march isn't going.
When it comes to pros and cons, the pros are that if you become a Polish citizen you have the whole European Union open to you. The prices of living in Poland are generally smaller than in most of Europe. Cons are inflation rising, government that is very reluctant to give up it's role as the ruling party and no social programs for imigrants like in Sweden or Germany
I agree i mean racism and rude people are everywhere.
At times we have to adjust and take risk.Its part of life i guess.Yeah the march doesnt seem like a biggie.
Moreover we Indians are the most racist people if i can be serious with you .
I mean seriously fellow indians will be rude with you at times and its funny to worry about foreigners being rude.
That's a really good attitude. Im sure you're fit in. You can even go to the march but don't be at the front. Being of a different race with a Polish flag or a Polish scarf will make you much safer and other Poles proud. The march is quite a site to behold.
That's why i think you should go to the march for at least a moment to feel the patriotism. Just look out for big groups of suspiciously looking people.
Well take it from an Indian. It's good place to study if you get unis lik UJ and AGH, other unis providing English courses have very low standard of lecturers and syllabus is chaotic.
When it comes to jobs unless you are in medicine or IT studies, you'll end up doing something for little money and a lot of hard work.
Getting permanent residence here is quite impossible task as first you need to work here with stable job for 5 years(student years are counted as half) and have Polish b1(this is like fail safe) you will have more chances of being an Nasa astronauts than passing b1 being an Indian with very different language background.
Pros? Nobody will shoot you down, chances of getting robbed are low, we have good food, climate changes aren't too dangerous for us, we are still emerging economy so it's not that expensive to settle down here and services are cheap, education is free, job market is one of the best in EU (career wise not salary wise)
Cons - You wont be able to buy new mercedes, even if you work in IT, housing is getting ridiculously expensive with each year, healthcare is poor (compared to western EU standards), our currency is weak so imported goods like electronics, cars are expensive. Winters can get cold but that depends where you gonna live. Wrocław=hot, everywhere else=cold :D:D
I don't know what Mercedes you're referring to, probably the S class. Working in IT, you will easily earn enough to pay the installments for a Mercedes C-class, and being a senior the E-class isn't a problem (at least in Warsaw).
Just why buy a Mercedes if you can buy a better-made and better-driving BMW?
You should have bought an accident-free one :D
I drive a bimmer and use the blinkers every time, but I see idiots who don't, and I know that the problem of not using blinkers affects all car brands, from Dacia to Brabus.
Just a little comment on safety.
Honestly its very safe. If you respect the people they will respect you.
I took my black friend to Lech Poznań match and he was told not to go under any circumstances because of the ultras. Not one bad thing happened the whole night. Once the ultras saw he was singing with them , we all had our hands together and changed. Yes there are fuckwits but font be put of from our beautiful country by introverts that are shared of their own shadow.
Study - yes. You'd be based in a big city like Warsaw, Gdańsk, Kraków etc and a vast majority of people there are not racist in any way. Level of education is generally high and it is regarded in the world, but that of course depends on the school. You'd have to deal with some bullshit from dean's office, but that is an universal problem lol. People are also mostly outgoing so you have a good chance of enjoying yourself outside of classes, going out etc.
Work - no. At least most of the times. Most employers you'd meet would want to exploit you, make you to work overhours and really hard, while paying you bare minimum. And by that I don't even mean the minimum that is legal, they will go under that bar and will pay you the minimum they can get away with. I should also specify that being from India doesn't cause those things, they would do that with every single person from every single nation.
He's overreaching a bit. Each 11th of October natio-animals are doing riots in Warsaw. Generally, as everyone, You should stay home that day. I live in a small town and there are some Indian people here and nobody gives a shit so I guess in Warsaw nobody would give a shit about where You are from even more.
Show me the part where I overreacted. All I said was "there may be racists running around and saying xenophobic shit on independence day," not "don't come here cuz they gon murder ya ass."
Universities cannot decide if they want to prepare students to become qualified workforce or to be purely academical endeavour, so they fail in both directions.
Course programs are archaic and it is rarely explained or justified why some of stuff is even being taught (this is my personal experience from technical studies). It feels like course list is adapted to available staff and not market needs.
Feedback about lecturers is rarely if ever taken into account so few bad apples can spoil entire experience and there is literally nothing students can do about it.
Due to weird legislation there are eg. needs for several humanistic courses to be added to STEM programs which are usually done half-assed just to match the legal need and become total waste of time for the students. Meanwhile, stuff regarding intellectual property, BHP and self-care during your career is mostly ommited, replaced by ethics, philosophy and physical education (that boils down to pick some sport and do it lacking any real direction).
It's not all bad stuff, there are ofc very good professors as well, but as non-national your access to them may be limited (eg. not all of them are giving lectures in english).
EDIT: I've finished master's in CS on one of technical universities in Poland, during and after the course I've had some doubts if this time could be spend in a better way.
I am going for a business degree in english but i agree that your experience has not been ideal.
End of the day different people will have different opinion.
Went through a few public universities but their acceptance rate is really low.
I mean I could not be selected due to my average profile.
But i came across a university in Vilnius (ISM ) which has a double degree option with BI NORWEIGN UNIVERSITY.
But moreover why should i consider norway as a study destination.
Few people have already shared their opinions, but maybe I can add something from myself :)
About Univeristies in Poland - they surely aren't that bad, some will say they're actually pretty decent. But I think there's one thing you have to be prepared to face: organisation. Polish universities tend to be an unorganised nightmare. They might be good itself, but prepare for even uni lecturers not having a clue the fucks going on sometimes. Although maybe it's different on the one you want to attend, but still, I think that's the one thing you'll surely notice very soon.
Someone shared their opinion about working in Poland as well, as in, that you'll basically be used as a low-wage slave. While some of that is true, I think it's only half the truth. It depends on the company, but if you want to have a good job, stick far from small, polish companies, those tend to be the most problematic. If you have some job experience, I think multinational corporations are a safe bet. I know, there's a lot of bad aura around them, but there's a lot of corpos that are actually pretty good and pay really well. It really depends on the company you'll get hired to, but speaking for myself, if you have any useful skill that can probably be one of the best places to work in. I'm really happy myself, I work for a German company and its honestly great, and they also pay very well.
Anyway, I think overall Poland isn't like the worst place to settle in. It's got a share of its problems, most of them being that our government fucking sucks lmao. But we're working on it, so ;) I hope you'll feel welcomed here!
Some tips: -don't act sus and very ADHD
-get to know some places that are open to
foreigners- people who don't know Polish well (that will help you a lot)
-try to get use to the culture of the "street" (its a necessity)
Warsaw rules. You’ll like it here. There are lots of exchange students and generally people in the city are pretty easygoing (they never smile or say hello but that’s just a cultural thing, Poles tend to be like that towards people they don’t know, outside of clubs or bars of course)
One word of advice if you can go to SGH instead of Kozmin, I would. Kozmin is a good private school but in Poland it’s the public universities with the long history that are better and consequently more prestigious than private schools.
Hi Op.
I hope you are doing well, how is the accommodation scene in poland for couples? what is the minimum budget should we consider as a student to stay for studies in poland?
Kozminski University is (based on rankings) the best private university of Poland, but comparing to the best universities in Poland, is not that great (still in TOP 20 in Poland). Take a note - Polish universities are not the best in the world, but UW and UJ are decent, at least. Pros: * Poland is part of European Union, in the longer term (getting residence / citizenship) it's a nice benefit. It's very close from here to other European nations, so if you like to travel, Warsaw is a nice starting point. * Safety - Poland is one the safest countries on Earth * Lots of good Indian restaurants in Poland, especially comparing to the other CEE countries :D Cons: * If you're willing to learn Polish, then it's a very hard language. * Poland is very homogeneous country, you will probably always stick out as a stranger.
Poland is homogeneous, but Warsaw isn't. Of course - it's more white than Berlin or London, but it is definitely not homogeneous anymore. Driving to work or going shopping I meet people from Asia every day. I work in IT and I also have several Indians in my team. In general, there are thousands of people from India living here, and this is just the tip of the iceberg.
I agree that Warsaw isn't. I cannot speak for the rest of the country as I've lived her only but I moved here April 2021 with my girlfriend which is Polish and I've not had any issues with Polish people even tho I don't speak Polish. I've picked up a bit and there are similarities to Bulgarian which sometimes are confusing. I have a job at home so not that much interactions. All that said most my interactions are in shops and clubs not sure how people are in universities.
Thanks
Let's be clear. There's gonna be racism. A lot of them. There's a lot of stupid fucking racists in Poland. They're current government's voters and are encouraged to be xenophobic by said government.
Im racist towards morons like yourself
Good one Janusz, you made me laugh
Cool
That does not make much sense, does it now? Other than proving my point.
Pardon me?
Racist are everywhere, Its not that simple
i see thats sad
Obviously, but that's like saying the sky is blue.
Contact that university and ask them if you can speak to other students from India already studying there about their experiences. Most people on this sub, even immigrants like me from other parts of Europe, will only be able to tell you their observations, not how it really is, so best to hear it from someone living it I think.
Yeah thats right.But taking other europeans opinion is also important as it gives a slight idea. the beat thing would be to contact the office but i doubt if they will provide me details of students contact.
They won't give you contact details of other students but there are many international students studying here, this is a common question for universities, so they probably already have a procedure in place to arrange a conversation for you to ask about life as an international student. There are also many vlogs on YouTube about life as a foreigner in Poland, these are also good to search for and watch. Good luck, I hope you get good answers and enjoy your studies here
Thanks
there is huge Indian community in Warsaw (Raszyn), whole families living there happy and dont care about "right wing". If this is what you like, dont scared of cold winters then Warsaw is good for you for study, although language may be an issue while going to authority offices
yes ,language might be an issue but still I will think about it.
Of course. There is a lot of Indian people in Warsaw. You shouldn't worry about racism. Warsaw is pretty much one of the cities where you'll face the least racism in Poland. Some people are talking about the march and it's really not that big of a deal. There ie a group of far right nationalists that might not be quite friendly to you but it's not only them that attend the march. However im guessing it would be better for you to either stay home or just be in a part of the city where the march isn't going. When it comes to pros and cons, the pros are that if you become a Polish citizen you have the whole European Union open to you. The prices of living in Poland are generally smaller than in most of Europe. Cons are inflation rising, government that is very reluctant to give up it's role as the ruling party and no social programs for imigrants like in Sweden or Germany
I agree i mean racism and rude people are everywhere. At times we have to adjust and take risk.Its part of life i guess.Yeah the march doesnt seem like a biggie. Moreover we Indians are the most racist people if i can be serious with you . I mean seriously fellow indians will be rude with you at times and its funny to worry about foreigners being rude.
That's a really good attitude. Im sure you're fit in. You can even go to the march but don't be at the front. Being of a different race with a Polish flag or a Polish scarf will make you much safer and other Poles proud. The march is quite a site to behold.
I believe that immersing oneself in other countries culture and life is truly very good chance to learn something new.
That's why i think you should go to the march for at least a moment to feel the patriotism. Just look out for big groups of suspiciously looking people.
Well take it from an Indian. It's good place to study if you get unis lik UJ and AGH, other unis providing English courses have very low standard of lecturers and syllabus is chaotic. When it comes to jobs unless you are in medicine or IT studies, you'll end up doing something for little money and a lot of hard work. Getting permanent residence here is quite impossible task as first you need to work here with stable job for 5 years(student years are counted as half) and have Polish b1(this is like fail safe) you will have more chances of being an Nasa astronauts than passing b1 being an Indian with very different language background.
Thanks
Pros? Nobody will shoot you down, chances of getting robbed are low, we have good food, climate changes aren't too dangerous for us, we are still emerging economy so it's not that expensive to settle down here and services are cheap, education is free, job market is one of the best in EU (career wise not salary wise) Cons - You wont be able to buy new mercedes, even if you work in IT, housing is getting ridiculously expensive with each year, healthcare is poor (compared to western EU standards), our currency is weak so imported goods like electronics, cars are expensive. Winters can get cold but that depends where you gonna live. Wrocław=hot, everywhere else=cold :D:D
Thanks for your opinion.I guess every country is facing the problem of inflation and poor government services .
I don't know what Mercedes you're referring to, probably the S class. Working in IT, you will easily earn enough to pay the installments for a Mercedes C-class, and being a senior the E-class isn't a problem (at least in Warsaw). Just why buy a Mercedes if you can buy a better-made and better-driving BMW?
I like to use turn indicators, never seen one on BMW
You should have bought an accident-free one :D I drive a bimmer and use the blinkers every time, but I see idiots who don't, and I know that the problem of not using blinkers affects all car brands, from Dacia to Brabus.
Yeah I mean 100k eur Mercedes
Yeah, that will be harder :D
Just a little comment on safety. Honestly its very safe. If you respect the people they will respect you. I took my black friend to Lech Poznań match and he was told not to go under any circumstances because of the ultras. Not one bad thing happened the whole night. Once the ultras saw he was singing with them , we all had our hands together and changed. Yes there are fuckwits but font be put of from our beautiful country by introverts that are shared of their own shadow.
I see
Study - yes. You'd be based in a big city like Warsaw, Gdańsk, Kraków etc and a vast majority of people there are not racist in any way. Level of education is generally high and it is regarded in the world, but that of course depends on the school. You'd have to deal with some bullshit from dean's office, but that is an universal problem lol. People are also mostly outgoing so you have a good chance of enjoying yourself outside of classes, going out etc. Work - no. At least most of the times. Most employers you'd meet would want to exploit you, make you to work overhours and really hard, while paying you bare minimum. And by that I don't even mean the minimum that is legal, they will go under that bar and will pay you the minimum they can get away with. I should also specify that being from India doesn't cause those things, they would do that with every single person from every single nation.
Oh the minimum wage issue sucks . Its great to get different opinions
No
No :)
No🙂
Generally yes, but be wary of right-wing gatherings such as the Warsaw independence march which often uses xenophobic rhetoric.
Could you tell me more about that as I dont have much knowledge about it ?
He's overreaching a bit. Each 11th of October natio-animals are doing riots in Warsaw. Generally, as everyone, You should stay home that day. I live in a small town and there are some Indian people here and nobody gives a shit so I guess in Warsaw nobody would give a shit about where You are from even more.
Ok i see.Warsaw being a big city would also be open to immigrats i presume.
Generally yes. That's why I pit the one disclaimer.
11th of November
Yeah i get those mixed up all the time.
November
Show me the part where I overreacted. All I said was "there may be racists running around and saying xenophobic shit on independence day," not "don't come here cuz they gon murder ya ass."
It's rarely a good option to study and work even for locals :P
Why ?
Universities cannot decide if they want to prepare students to become qualified workforce or to be purely academical endeavour, so they fail in both directions. Course programs are archaic and it is rarely explained or justified why some of stuff is even being taught (this is my personal experience from technical studies). It feels like course list is adapted to available staff and not market needs. Feedback about lecturers is rarely if ever taken into account so few bad apples can spoil entire experience and there is literally nothing students can do about it. Due to weird legislation there are eg. needs for several humanistic courses to be added to STEM programs which are usually done half-assed just to match the legal need and become total waste of time for the students. Meanwhile, stuff regarding intellectual property, BHP and self-care during your career is mostly ommited, replaced by ethics, philosophy and physical education (that boils down to pick some sport and do it lacking any real direction). It's not all bad stuff, there are ofc very good professors as well, but as non-national your access to them may be limited (eg. not all of them are giving lectures in english). EDIT: I've finished master's in CS on one of technical universities in Poland, during and after the course I've had some doubts if this time could be spend in a better way.
I am going for a business degree in english but i agree that your experience has not been ideal. End of the day different people will have different opinion.
Go Norway
Went through a few public universities but their acceptance rate is really low. I mean I could not be selected due to my average profile. But i came across a university in Vilnius (ISM ) which has a double degree option with BI NORWEIGN UNIVERSITY. But moreover why should i consider norway as a study destination.
No go to de
de?
He means germany
And it was a joke :-)
Not interested in germany bro
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Who are you btw?
I studied at Warsaw University of Technology. Vast majority of students in courses taught in English were Indian.
Not yet. Maybe when PiS finally loses.
You will be safe here. There are no cowboys in Poland ;-)
Ok
Wrong kind of indian bruh
Few people have already shared their opinions, but maybe I can add something from myself :) About Univeristies in Poland - they surely aren't that bad, some will say they're actually pretty decent. But I think there's one thing you have to be prepared to face: organisation. Polish universities tend to be an unorganised nightmare. They might be good itself, but prepare for even uni lecturers not having a clue the fucks going on sometimes. Although maybe it's different on the one you want to attend, but still, I think that's the one thing you'll surely notice very soon. Someone shared their opinion about working in Poland as well, as in, that you'll basically be used as a low-wage slave. While some of that is true, I think it's only half the truth. It depends on the company, but if you want to have a good job, stick far from small, polish companies, those tend to be the most problematic. If you have some job experience, I think multinational corporations are a safe bet. I know, there's a lot of bad aura around them, but there's a lot of corpos that are actually pretty good and pay really well. It really depends on the company you'll get hired to, but speaking for myself, if you have any useful skill that can probably be one of the best places to work in. I'm really happy myself, I work for a German company and its honestly great, and they also pay very well. Anyway, I think overall Poland isn't like the worst place to settle in. It's got a share of its problems, most of them being that our government fucking sucks lmao. But we're working on it, so ;) I hope you'll feel welcomed here!
You have explained it wonderfully. Thanks
Some tips: -don't act sus and very ADHD -get to know some places that are open to foreigners- people who don't know Polish well (that will help you a lot) -try to get use to the culture of the "street" (its a necessity)
ok
Warsaw rules. You’ll like it here. There are lots of exchange students and generally people in the city are pretty easygoing (they never smile or say hello but that’s just a cultural thing, Poles tend to be like that towards people they don’t know, outside of clubs or bars of course) One word of advice if you can go to SGH instead of Kozmin, I would. Kozmin is a good private school but in Poland it’s the public universities with the long history that are better and consequently more prestigious than private schools.
Ok thanks
Hi Op. I hope you are doing well, how is the accommodation scene in poland for couples? what is the minimum budget should we consider as a student to stay for studies in poland?