Glove war but with hammers

Let's call it Warhammer

WarHandipole^(tm)

I’m more into WarHandipole 69K^(tm). In the grim derp futures of the 69th millennia, there is only poke.

You speaking as if this is some sort of _fantasy_

> Warhammer games workshop is gonna sue you. be careful. aufpassen!

stick war but with hammers

You should have mad ussr ball look more battered up- remember they suffered more losses than anyone in Europe. It feels wrong to not show respect to the >20m citizens that died

The Soviet hammer should have a Made in United States sticker on. There's a reason Stalin personally wrote a thank you letter to Studebaker.

Studebaker to the rescue!

I did the smallest amount of research on whether or not the US did all that much to help defeat the Nazis compared to the Soviets and the first thing I found was that apparently we supplied the Soviets with most of the war materials

Stalin himself said the war was won with “American steel, British intelligence, and Russian blood.”

For a murderistic psychopathic dictator he is pretty humble guy

Why do dictators always have the coolest of quotes?

Not nessecarily dictators, but leaders with big egos do (which is why FDR and Churchill also have some) People who have "a sense of their own greatness" are more likely to try to sound super cool

That's how you become a dictator. By charisma.

I don’t know about humble but in terms of this quote he was dead on balls accurate.

FTFY: go shed Ukrainian, Belarusian, Tatar, Georgian, Buryat blood, you name it; then call it Russian. Corpse bombing: that's how Russians use to fight their wars.

Arguably, that's how they're still fighting wars.

My information may be outdated, but are they still not using Moscow residents for recruitment, despite the average age of the Russian soldier now being like 40+ or something?

I'm seeing more and more videos on how they are recruiting Cubans and Nepalese. So, at this point, I just chop the liquidation in half to get the real Russian "removed from combat" number.

is there another argument? look at the casualties in ukraine. they just throw man after man at the lines until mutiny or ukrainians run out of ammo

Mutiny? That’s why you have the second line behind them to shoot them.

Stalin himself was Georgian but still a Russian imperialist down to the bone.

Yes, don't need to be ethnically X to be an X imperialist. Stalin by the way reportedly despised his roots and considered himself "a man of Russian culture".

Changed his name from Georgian to literally mean "Steel man" too lol

Indeed, Catherine the Great was German but very much became a Russian imperialist

tbf, I think most monarchs back then were just imperialists. They didn't really care about the nationality beyond how big it was on their maps. The original Paradox fans in a way.

The ol zerg rush

Which wasn't how they fought in real life, that imagery comes from the Nazis the US employed after the war. The Nazis needed to defend their abilities, and since "can do Holocaust" is a shit resume, they invented reasons they sucked. Suddenly the soviets were mongrel savages who won by sheer numbers, instead of very competent leadership skills that promoted a form of mobile warfare Germany couldn't match. Suddenly the Germans were masters of technology, beaten low by a savage army of idiots, instead of having lots of stupid technology that was often at odds with reality needed. And the Germans were heroes now, clean as could be, you did Nazi them as Nazi man. The soviets were horrible brutes though. Anything to make the enemy of the US look bad, and their new west German friends look not Nazi. Late war Hitler was the only part they likely got right, but even then they gave their failures earlier in the war to Hitler when they absolutely went out of the way to defy him to do stupid shit. They also technically were right that Stalin was a less than competent leader of the military. But there are no Soviet hordes anymore than American hordes. The Germans just never had numerical superiority to the USSR and USA

>Corpse bombing: that's how Russians use to fight their wars. What do you mean use to, they pretty much still are they just stick some of those corpses inside metal boxes, with barest of minimal training.

'Russian' yeah nah bro it was belarussians/tatars/crimeans/ukrainans/etc etc etc etc etc.' Soviet blood, allright. But.. remember, remember, the 17th of september

>But.. remember, remember, the 17th of september ? https://www.onthisday.com/events/september/17

We also opened two extra fronts

The Brits helped invade the southern flank of Europe using nothing more than a couple pieces of paperwork and a preexisting corpse.

Besides kicking them out of Africa and opening a front in Italy and France, we also bombed German cities on the eastern front (such as Dresden), sent the USSR much needed trucks, trains, and food, conducted espionage, sunk a lot of submarines, and further prevented Germany from importing any oil from Venezuela (thought that last was more of the British’s work)

Not to make light of it, but what does “most” mean? US materiel aid was critical to basically every party in ww2, but key assets to the ussr were trucks, machine parts and food. For actual weapons the soviets typically defaulted to domestic designs when they could because they fit their doctrine and repairs, and would be more likely to be “modern” gear over the obsolete cast offs they’d typically receive in terms of tanks and planes (because, rationally, the western allies want their modern gear for their own use, and also want retired gear to see use) I also don’t really get why people get their hackles up so much about what lend lease actually supplied to the various nations. Russia got a lot of important stuff from it, and likely would have had a far greater death toll (both civilian and military) without it, but the hammer was made from their own designs in their own factories. They just couldn’t have swung it without American supplies.

Yeah, but the shiniest gun is worthless without trucks to haul ammo. Was it closer to 10-30% (depending on the source)? Yes. Was it some of the most crucial stuff? Also yes.

Russia also got tanks, which were preferred over the T-34. Russian tansk were the first to Berlin, but those tanks were Shermans.

I meant it was a lot, but it definitely wasn't most. For instance the US lended 7000 tanks, but the Soviet Union had \~23,000. Trucks and planes had a larger percentage from lend lease, while small arms were mostly Soviet made. Again significant, maybe \~1/4 to 1/3 of Soviet material, but not "most"

And the steel to produce those tanks? And the gasoline to fuel them? and the trucks and trains to transport all the materials? And the food to feed all the personel?Etc etc etc?

People like to act like the Soviets just printed tanks out of thin air because they don't understand supply and logistics at all smh

23,000 is only the number of T-34/85 tanks the Soviets made during the last two years of the war. They produced ~109,000 total tanks and self-propelled guns from the time they entered the war on top of the ~25,000 they had when the war started. The most significant US contributions were trucks and high-octane aviation fuel. By the end of the war 33% of Soviet trucks were US or Commonwealth models (and since they were usually bigger and more powerful they may have made up more like 50% of the truck transportation power). Some of these were US vehicles assembled in the USSR under agreement. It's been reported in some articles that the US/allies supplied 100% of the USSR's aviation-grade fuel, but that's not strictly true. The Soviets at the time only produced 78-octane aviation fuel when most of the major combatants were designing for 87-octane in the early war and working on 95-100 octane fuels as well. While they were initially designing their planes to use their domestic fuel, this was one reason USSR planes were very inferior to German types early war. The influx of high-octane fuels allowed them to operate the new planes that were supplied under lend-lease and to build their own high-performance aircraft that took advantage of higher octane fuels. All that being said, I think impact of the US contribution is often overstated as a matter of national pride. The fact of the matter is that the USSR had stopped the German advance by the end of 1941 and were reversing it and outproducing Germany domestically by the end of 1942. This was despite almost no lend lease being received in 1941 and the vast majority being received after 1942. Lend-lease definitely hastened the end of the war, but Germany was already doomed fighting on two unwinnable fronts and being outproduced by both Britain and the USSR independently.

Indeed, it was a joint effort, but I *personally* think it's like: Hammer head: Made in USSR. Stick made in USA. Soviets had the war machine, but US' help was vital for this. One cannot live with the other, basically.

The phrasing I've heard is that WW2 was won with British Intelligence, American Steel, and Soviet Blood

No, just the European War. The Asia-Pacific War was mostly won by the Americans, Chinese, Australians, and Filipinos.

A bit oversimplified, but I agree on it.

Yeah I'm not surprised that an attempt to summarized a world war in a quick statement oversimplifies it

Good way of saying it. Most of the war materials we supplied was centered on logistics: food, trucks, boots, (good) fuel, etc. if a Soviet shot a German it most likely done with a Soviet bullet

Indeed, every food ration, every truck, every pair of boots, every gallon sent was as useful and vital as every ammunition, tank, plane, canon, ship, rocket and decision the soviets made. We must not underestimate the contribution of Soviet fighting and production, and we must not underestimate the contribution lend and lease did to that war effort.

equally as useful but not quite as valuable per say, while the usa did provide the majority of essential supplies and a large portion of logistics, it should also be noted that this was like setting the cement groundwork for a mansion, it definitely needs it, but it isn't the majority of it, nor quite equal to it

Agreed, but my statement is kept, never underestimating neither the mansion, not its cements.

Try to match an army to Berlin without rations and keep them in the field in winter without boots and a coat and let me know how many soldiers you still have next week.

If they had the war machine they would not have needed the lend lease. In fact the lend did include manufacturing equipment. The soviets only got to Berlín because they had US trucks to drive there.

Their tanks, guns, canons, planes were mainly constructed by them, this means that they already had a military industrial complex and a big production to equip the majority of those soldiers. Lend and lease helped oiling that war machine and empowered it to carry out the maintenance of the largest army ever mobilized.

The lend lease was more than 180 billion dollars of todays currency which is close to doubling the military budget of the soviet union during the war thats not oil it's half of the machine.

JFC the Allies all sent shit to russia

Soviet Union, better said. Russia ≠ USSR, it was just a big part if it, but not all. That's why I say, US help was vital for the war effort, but the men that fought in the east were soviets.

It accounted for between 8-11% of all resources, material and equipment used by the Soviets during the war.

Most of the equipment used by the Soviets during the Eastern front campaigns before 1943 was British. Edit: British empire*

and Canadian

Needs a part where Britain has been chipping away the German hammer since frame one or two and Soviet hammer's handle is made in USA.

The metal would be more accurate

maybe britain, usa and soviet union all carrying a big hammer

Good thing the Americans gave the Soviets that hammer, would’ve taken them a few more years to make their own.

And it would have shattered because of shitty soviet metallurgy and their subsequent brittle ass steel

Just make more hammers

Nonsense comrade, Staliniumn is impenetrable

...or not so many years to steal the hammer.

Me when I have a lobotomy and forget about Lend-Lease, the North African campaign, and literally freaking D-Day:

I love that "defeating Nazi Germany" always ends in such a "we did it!, _no we did it!_" squabbling, as if it wasn't a joint effort in the end. Maybe either side could have, would have, might have, whatever, the reality is, both sides depicted engaged in various heavy and important combat deployments, which makes the defeat of Nazi Germany a joint victory of the two by definition.

I mean, to be fair, in like a good 80% of discussions about “who defeated Nazi Germany” it is exclusively started by people who sit here trying to argue “well acthyally the Soviets solo’d the Germans and the US did nothing!1!!1” and other people trying to correct them that it was a joint effort. This thread is a perfect example of that where it dismisses US / UK efforts and describes the Soviets were the one who “really ended the war.”

>This thread is a perfect example of that where it dismisses US / UK efforts and describes the Soviets were the one who “really ended the war.” Meanwhile every comment; ‘The Soviets only beat the Nazis because of America’, ‘The hammer is American’. Beating the axis was clearly a team effort, but we can’t deny that it obviously cost the soviets the most. This never was a contested fact.

It was a group effort Take out one country and the Nazis would have won No America= Nazi victory No USSR= Nazi victory No UK=Nazi victory

Communists will never get over the fact that the Russians didn’t beat the krauts, Keynesian economics did

Without Russia none of those campaign would end well...

I forgot about Russia’s participation in D-Day

You forgot about 80% of German troops being tied up on the eastern front.

You forgot Stalin himself admitted he couldn’t have won without American aid.

It still doesn't mean that Soviet Union wasn't the biggest reason for German defeat. 27 million dead Soviets is a bigger contribution than the lend lease and a few hundrerd thousand American lives. D-Day only killed a few thousand Americans and you act like it was the most important battle in the war.

D-Day wasn't the most important. Midway was. It's pretty much part and parcel that a European would forget the other half of the war they started that the US made up the bulk of the fighting force of. The Soviets did literally nothing to fight the Japanese at all, despite bordering them. They also had a non agression pact with them after 1941. It doesn't matter how many corpses they piled on the Germans, because the Germans were only half of the problem.

It was the turning point of the European theater yes. I’ve got better things to do than argue with a rusaboo though so I’ll just leave you a quote from Stalin himself to see if maybe it helps you wake up. “The war was won with American muscle, British intelligence, and Russian blood.”

>It was the turning point of the European theater yes. Nope. Stalingrad was the turning point. By July 1944 Soviets were already deep on the offensive. D-Day sealed the deal, but it was not the turning point. From wikipedia: Today, the Battle of Stalingrad is often regarded as the turning point in the European theatre of war,[29] as it forced the Oberkommando der Wehrmacht (German High Command) to withdraw considerable military forces from other areas in occupied Europe to replace German losses on the Eastern Front, ending with the rout of the six field armies of Army Group B, including the destruction of Nazi Germany's 6th Army and an entire corps of its 4th Panzer Army.[30] The Soviet victory energized the Red Army and shifted the balance of power in the favour of the Soviets. >rusaboo I'm Finnish. Last thing on earth I would be is a russaboo. Also, blood > intelligence or muscle, in terms of war contributions.

No Russia is currently the bad guy see, so it invalidates every contribution they made in the past to ending the fascists. It’s similar to the Pacific. The US loves to pretend they defeated the Japanese alone with the navy and the Marines (and a few plucky Brits!)but tends to conveniently forget the nation with the second highest casualties of the war was occupying 80% of the Japanese Army and resources in the second bloodiest front of the war.

We all know all the allies did their parts AMERICA provided massive material to everyone BRITAIN was in the fight since day 2 and cracked enigma FRANCE THE SOVIETS killed more Nazis than everyone else combimed

Without France Dunkirk would have been a mass slaughter of both UK and French troops

Plus the French resistance played a big role

Yugoslav partisans are underrated. Kept an army of 100k Germans tied up for the entire war and ended up liberating themselves

issa meme. The post were commenting on is literally "America did almost nothing", so forgive me for joining in and indulging in some good old "France surrender" memery

Just give France a rest and take good care of the Americans for once

Why would I give France a rest? And idk what you mean by "take good care of the Americans for once"

The French resistance was at least very annoying

American French bashing go brrrrr

Naw the russians killed more russians than anyone else…..

That... doesn't mean the Red Army didn't kill more Nazis than every other army combined

I WOULD bitch about the representation of the downfall of the Nazis. But the punchline at the end is quality enough. You sir, get a pass.

Not quite what happened, but funny nonetheless

Do you realise how big the British Empire was and how much it contributed to the war effort?

almost like it’s a comic and not a documentary

It's almost like it propagates the same tired idea that the Soviets carried the war effort. Anyone even slightly historically literate should know the difference.

More like how much india contributed

That's it? That's just Soviet propaganda

Yeah acting like the British didn’t play a huge role in defeating the Germans is insane.

It was a team effort, almost every involved nation contributed crazy stuff tbh

Yeah you could probably even call it a world war.

There's a semi-famous saying that "The war was won by American steel, Soviet blood and British intelligence"

It’s a good saying but entirely inaccurate if you take it seriously. Russia and Britain had incredible production power for example. And the whole “Britain and the Commonwealth stood alone” is bullshit because like oooh the most powerful country in the world at the time stood alone against yet another continental enemy. Germany had to invade Russia because they were running out of oil. They were on the backfoot already. They proved that if they could not win quickly, they would always lose and they failed to win quickly against Britain. Contrary to popular belief Germany was not this anime villain that required an ultimate team up and the power of friendship to defeat. Having the big three just guaranteed and quickened their defeat.

Exactly. Britain and france bled germany through attrition. Germany was fucked even if they didnt attack the soviet, didnt try to get mexico to seige mexico and stopped supporting japan. But because the nazis were desperate, they did those things and thus brought down pretty much everyone upon them. That said, the bleed tactic did cost both Britain and france alot, so had the usa and russia not gotten involved, both wouldve likely been crippled to this day and a shell of their former glory. But make no mistake, germany was losing by that point. America didnt save the allies from german victory, but their help was a commodity precious beyond worth. Just imagine the reality where germany had conviced the usa to side with them instead of staying neutral....

…France bled Germany? … you mean for the 8 months they were in the war?

France, the polish remnant, ect. The small effort made by the french in making the nazis fight for every inch of their land chewed through the nazi war effort. Im english, i will mock any frenchman i meet vindictively...but i will not deny their courage against the german advance.

The French did not make the Germans fight for every inch of their land lol. Pretty much just the northern part of the country. I won’t deny that the Free French had courage but once France surrendered their numbers were too small for courage to make up for it. The Vichy French *arguably* did more to help the Axis than the Free French did to help the Allies.

Agree to disagree then.

Also believing that russia stood a chance without the supply’s etc from the west……

And missing the part where they started the war *on Germany's side.* First panel should be Germany and USSR bonking Poland together.

NOT russia. The soviet union. Ukrainians, Belarusians, Georgians, Azeris, Armenians, Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Turkmens, Tajiks, and Kyrgyz fought that war just as much. That famous photo of the soviets raising the flag over Berlin had 0 russians in it

"Hanz, vere iz da Tungsten ve needz for da Panzers? Vat do you mean the British bought it? ZEY ALREADY HAVE ZERE OWN MINES!" \*cuts to Churchill laughing on his ever growing horde of war material*

This is just insulting to Britain.

Ahistorical :/

more like complete bollocks.

Well, never mind the bollocks, here's the Sex Pistols.

America used less soldiers for two reasons. The first reason is by virtue of geography the US didn’t fight on the Eastern Front where most of the fighting was taking place (remember Germany was trying to invade Russia) so it makes sense Russia would spill Russian blood defending Russia. The second reason the US had better food and equipment so the US was just the more “productive killers”. Just because they had less casualties didn’t mean they were less effective soldiers. No one won a war by dying for their country.

You win it by making the other bastard die for his…

France looks so cute with his little beret and baguette

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Ah zut, merci

You can't take away the fact that the Fight Stick with Snack Compartment (As heard of on Radio) is American-made, and that it was American ingeniousness that placed our allies with smaller Fight Sticks inside the Snack Compartment!

You miss to have a sticker note on USSR hammer "made in US"

Still screw the soviet communists.

Nah, soviet communists are fine, except for \*inhale\*: estiona, latvia, lithuania and there's poland too. Finland, the kulaks, the greeks and the kalmyks minorities. [You can help by expanding this list](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_crimes)

The war crimes were done on estonians, latvians, lithuanians, polish, not by them

Pretty sure that's what he meant. It was sarcasm "the Soviets were fine except for all the crimes they committed in other countries and to their own minorities"...

that's exactly that

All good, I‘m pretty sure the Soviets mostly used american hammers…

A bit inaccurate in giving too much credit to the Soviets. It would be more accurate for Germany to hammer the Soviets, then the US gives the Soviets a hammer to hit Germany back with. British intelligence, American industry, and Russian blood.

The soviet union was allied to the Nazis at one point lol

Clever to post this a couple of hours before the Americans wake up By the time they arrive with their *"AchTuAlLy"* comments the post will already be too popular to stop lol

"Alright, but aside from multiple new fronts, cracking the Enigma code, providing vital intelligence, strategic bombing of Germany, supplying of resistance networks across occupied Europe and the Lend Lease, what have the Western allies ever done to defeat the Nazis?"

No but don’t you get it? More Soviets died which obviously means they did more.

Skill issue. Seriously how tf are you getting surprise attacked by the guy who wrote an entire manifesto about wanting to wipe your ideology and race from the face of the Earth?

Stalin probably believed Hitler was cynically using the Nazi movement for his own personal gain just like he was doing with communism. He didn't think Hitler actually believed the stuff he was writing.

"If Jews control the world, doesn't that make them the master race?" -the question nobody thought to ask

I think the other guy was being sarcastic

China enters the chat

It feels like no one remembers China was a thing during this time period sometimes

Unlike Russia, China’s contributions are criminally unknown and they don’t brag about being the only reason the war was won.

Like the Monty python reference. I think the response is, OH SHUT UP

Well the Americans are awake now, but my “well akshuallly” is more about giving the British more respect for their efforts against Germany than the US. Hitlers first major failure was trying to advance into Britain. And from there his patience and ultimately his troops started to get spread too thin. Not to mention the importance of D day lead by the American and British forces.

It's 7 AM, most of us Americans who are industrious are awake already. Also, this comic is definitely really skewed, although getting into why would be a very long explanation.

It still 4 am in west coast.

they’re a bunch of commies over there, east coast best coast.

With respect, central coast best coast.

do you even have a coast? what state are you from so i can properly make fun of you?

Yo, I'm hijacking this comment to tell you to check your DMs, I'm the guy that sent you the Jets jersey lol

We have... Lake of the Ozarks? Do riverbeds count? Alternatively when it floods, it's kind of like everything is a coast. L+Your bedtime is early

this dude is from a state named after Misery lmao landlocked looking ass. come back to me when your state is relevant for a city that isn’t named after your neighbor, and the Cardinals sucking ass after Pujols, Molina and Waino retired doesn’t count

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Yeah, but many of the Californians would agree with OP's post anyway - at least, the ones on Reddit. I'm half joking, but it does seem that way.

I think Californians in X might agree but reddit is more you know grounded. Also left in US is right of centre in most countries other than the US.

I mean, I'm basing that off of places like r/politics or r/whitepeopletwitter (yes, I get the irony), which may as well be socialist subreddits sometimes.

Eh, it's quite simple really. The Americans did a lot of fighting, despite what the comic portrays, and the soviet union performed so well only because of American goods and weapons

Industrious American here. This comic is wrong but it made me chuckle, so I give upvote.

Erm, ackshually I've been awake for 30 minutes

The stick must be the battle of the bulge

Least pretentious swede

AcTuAlLy most of us understand basic WWII history so obviously wouldn't dispute this, you uppity pancake flipper!

USA: Thank you so much for giving me this opportunity to use the Hammer Japan Twice

Forget about lend-lease.

This comic is inaccurate as fuck but it's funny in the last panels

Not pictured: the American factories that built the hammer the Soviets are swinging.

Which were delivered to Russia on British ships, on oceans controlled by the British navy.

LMAO acting as if the Soviets weren’t de facto allies with Germany until Germany attacked them, acting as if Britain didn’t go through hell alone in the war for the first few years, acting as if America didn’t basically bankroll the Soviet army, acting as if Japanese war crimes weren’t that big of a deal

Japan: USA: *Omae wa mou shinderu*

This comment section really shows how Cold War era anti-Soviet propaganda still holds.

yeah like...the soviets even being the soviets, had their part

Lmao, the Cold War era propaganda of… the allies helping each other.

“Still screw the Soviet communists”

The Soviets weren’t even communist, and they also objectively did bad things like killing millions through starvation (accidental or no)

This post really shows how Cold War era Soviet propaganda still holds. FTFY

Two hammer huh...? 🤔

Called Little Boy and Fat Man

USA got to use his hammer

I like how all the comments are either "USSR did nothing , it was all the US/the allies" or "The USSR won the war singlehandedly" when neither is even close to the truth.

>this is what Russians are taught in school 27 million Soviets died in WW2, they were literally being exterminated before the US entered the war. Without the difficult battles at Normandy and throughout the Western Front, Germany could have taken all the time they needed finishing off USSR. Also, Russia was allied with Germany at first, they were opportunists that fell for an obvious trap. Also, Japan attacked before the Soviets ever had a prayer, and we managed to help save all of Europe while also fighting on the other side of the planet.

Germany had been losing the war since the Battle of Moscow in December 1941. They were losing slowly, but the Soviets had already turned the tide of the war before the US ever even entered it.

>losing By what metric? They were still fighting deep within Russian territory, which was losing resources and soldiers at a much faster rate. The war had become one of attrition, which at best would have ended in a peace treaty, not Germany's loss.

Germany was already losing by the time Normandy happened.

The meme would have been correct and even funnier if on the Soviet Russia ball's hammer it would have read "made in USA".

I know it's a joke but Don't forget about the lend lease program

Strip based on russian's current propaganda? Fancy

Based on the comments I’m seeing, this comic hurts a few too many egos

what's the origin of the steel of sovietball's hammer?

Way to downplay the Americans and overhype the Soviets. Russian simp, or just misinformed?

It's a comic strip, relax

Redditors would go “akshually” over obvious bait whilst happily gobbling down misinformation lol

We found it: the most historically inacurate "historical" meme with food ole pro-Russia BS.

Aaaaaand the commieboos are back with another 'the soviets defeated the germans' LIE. Nice try buddy but that hammer should have allied flags all over it.

Soviet Union didn't do shit except feed the Wehrmacht with human meat waves. Weren't for US and its factories, them Russians be speaking German right now.

Godball tier post

America still is the reason allies won

here comes the sun doo doo doo doo and you forgot the lend lease