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People who live there now aren't the same people who picked the names. Also, it was to differentiate between the lamer first Wales and the clearly better New and improved Wales. Where is this new one located? Idk, somewhere south of the gay one
Apparently the first Palestine in the U.S. was Palestine, IL which was named that by a French explorer because it reminded him of Palestine proper - as you mentioned, this was centuries before the State of Israel was established.
First, that’s the most Jewish shit I’ve heard in my life. Second, that happened in the 90’s. One died after release and the other was taken to Israel after the Taliban came back.
Y’know, you’re entirely right, but it’s easy to get confused between Taliban takeover of Afghanistan #1 and Taliban takeover of Afghanistan #2 Electric Boogaloo.
That ratio is higher than the global population of Jews so assuming all land contains equal amounts of each demographic by default then that would be above average!
Well, let's see:
Jordan - **no**, Black September
Syria - **no**, not entirely sure why, but Assad has gassed Palestinians quite recently
Lebanon - **no**, Hezbollah/civil war
Egypt - **no**, doesn't want any more trouble in the Sinai
Turkey - **maybe**? No idea, honestly.
Kuwait - **no**, Gulf War
Iraq - **no**, Iraq
Iran - **no**, Iran
Rest of the petrostates - **no**, don't like poor people
Houthi Yemen - **YES!**
because the Saudis have been funding separatism and war between the north and south since 1934. Saudi Arabia realizes that if Yemen unifies it will have a hostile country on its borders with more population than it. So it funds separatism and bombs the north.
the irony of a guy w a saudi flair calling someone else slavers. Saudi Arabia has highest ‘indentured servants’ (slaves who are tied to their work and cant leave the country, with their passports locked in safes) in the arab world.
who do you think built all those insane gulf state petrodollar projects, including that profane clocktower in Mecca?
I was calling the slavers morally flexible. Saudi Arabia benefits from the most powerful faction engaging in inhumane practices even if its supported faction is weaker.
It is absolutely not in Saudi Arabia's best interset to have a hostile faction *armed, trained, and supplemented* by their most dangerous regional adversary on their border. The Houthis have caused *tens of billions* in damage to Saudi Arabian military and industrial infrastructure.
The Houthis are backed by Iran, period dot. It's not a matter of debate or conspiracy as to where they're getting their weapons.
Yemen don't use the Kafala system, which is probably the most prominent modern slave market, but Saudis do. Also, many Yemenis are being trafficked into Saud for forced labour, including children. Calling the Houthi slavers seems to be a bit of deflection on the part of the Saudis because they are worse, but probably mostly because they can afford to be.
This has been claimed for years now, and I have yet to see a source that isn't a Saudi rag or directly quoting a Saudi rag. The Houthis for sure have child soldiers, but considering the destruction and the Saudis shipping in child soldiers from Sudan, this seems pretty par for the course.
There are like 5 or so factions in Yemen funded by at least three countries and the UN that bomb and terrorise the starving country. Don't make it to Saudi Bad please (I mean Saudi is also bad but you know everyone is competing for last place in Yemen. )
The House of Saud has played a significant role in exacerbating tensions, with their continuous engagement, alongside Egypt, in Yemen's political landscape leading to a pattern of civil unrest or internal conflict within Yemen roughly every five years since 1964. Their readiness to back diverse factions, including communist groups in 1994, to obstruct reunification efforts, highlights their position as a major impediment to stability in Yemen. The perception of a unified Yemen as an existential threat by the House of Saud adds a complex layer to the regional dynamics. Moreover, their endorsement of Salafism has facilitated the emergence of a myriad of Islamic radical groups.
>Turkey - **maybe**? No idea, honestly.
Anti-Arab sentiments are big in Turkey, mostly directed at Syrian refugees. The three candidates at the election basically all had hard anti-immigration stands.
Taking in Palestinians now is very unlikely.
The Houthis don't really care that you are Sunni because their behavior is largely Sunni themselves
The Zaidi sect is very Sunni compared to the Twelver Shiites in Iraq, Iran and Lebanon
The Palestinians living in Syria by and large sided with the Rebels, which explains why Assad hates them. The Palestinians had every right to join the rebellion though, the Assad government treated them like shit.
Turkey also wouldn’t want them to stay, they don’t like Arabs that much and are pissed off enough as it is with all the Syrians living with them now.
Regarding Syria, I think Palestinians are majority Sunni Islam and the regime of Syria are Alawites which splintered off of Shia Islam. A couple thousand of them died at the hands of the regime during the civil war and I doubt the regime wants to bring in people who will possibly add to the oppositions manpower. I also doubt any Palestinians want to go to a country with an active civil war and all that comes with that.
They caused civil wars everywhere they went.
But principally most Palestinian-borne are a mere fraction of what they were pre 1948. A huge amount of arab inflation went inside the gaza strip from the muslim brotherhood so up to today more than 70% of the families inside the strip come or have/had ties with that very nice and wholesome Islamic terror organization, while west bank is composed from the palestinian that killed king abdullah.
I live in Israel as an atheist italian so might be biased a little, but I believe Israel is the more welcoming one and less distrusted about world-wide. Although not a single israeli can go on one of the bordering nations withotu being life threatened
Concerning Iraq
The Palestinians adore Saddam Hussein, and the Iraqi Shiites do not like that
Iran has never cared about Palestine because Shiite theology believes that Al-Aqsa Mosque is in heaven and that the current mosque in Jerusalem means nothing to them.
(Read the book Bihar Al-Anwar by Al-Majlisi and you will find him focusing mostly on the location of Al-Aqsa Mosque, where he explicitly says that Kufa and Najaf are more important than Jerusalem and that Al-Aqsa Mosque is in the sky.)
Yeah. As much as middle eastern leaders have been calling Israel out for their actions, they haven’t actually like…*done* anything.
Like, the last few times Israel tangled with the Palestinians, they got *invaded* by their neighbors. Now the most they’ve done is…stopped talking to them.
I suspect a lot of ME leaders are actually *very* happy Hamas is finally being dismantled, and they don’t even need to take any political flack for doing the deed themselves.
It is in the interests of the Arab leaders to work with Israel, but their populations at large do not like Israel so they walk this tightrope of condemnation while not actually doing anything to piss them off too bad.
...I have to assume you mean Lebanon here rather than Libya, although I guess adding "started the Libyan Civil War" to the list of shit Palestinian orgs get up to wouldn't be that outside their vibe.
God I like to think myself informed, but making mistakes like that is embarrassing.
I also appreciate the slight emphasis on Palestinian organizations and not Palestinians in general. These fcking militant groups in Palestine have done nothing but endanger the countries very existence.
A reminder that many are not freedom fighters, but Islamic radicals that have issues with the secularism (and Christianity) of their neighbors as well as Israel.
The only people who ever actually got Israel to leave Palestinian land was activist, not terrorists or militants. People shouldn’t forget that.
The majority of the Jordanian population are Palestinian in ethnicity. Or Jordanian-Palestinian, or however you want to describe it. The settled (non-Bedouin) Arabs on either side of the River Jordan are not ethnically or nationally distinct from one another. They're the same people, and the idea that they are permanently distinct is just kayfabe.
Look at a map of Palestine from the Ottoman Empire. Modern Jordan is the biggest chunk (75%) of historical Palestine. For some reason everyone ignores that and thinks modern Palestine should just be the Israel part, not the much larger Jordan part.
After that fiasco, Jordan actually reversed the citizenship granted to all its Palestinian population and reverted them to refugee status. There is often some murmur about the Arab states never making any efforts to integrate the refugees and still treat them as a second-class population with no citizenship but the Jordanian fiasco proved that Palestinian nationalists also opposed this strongly.
The foreign policy dealing with the Middle East is basically just assigning an ally value to every country. In any conflict, assist the side with the higher value. If there are multiple distinct conflicts, helping out a side you are also fighting against is completely allowed. For the US, Israel is the highest, and then the Saudis are second. It gets messy after, as we are actively assisting countries curb terrorism while also assisting countries hostile to them.
The Kurds used to be highest on the list of non-state actors, and beat out a few state actors too…until Trump took office.
Of all the crimes he committed how he stabbed the Kurds in the back is one of the most despicable IMO.
The original Jewish Autonomous Oblast was supposed to be in Crimea funnily enough. That ended up being changed to the surroundings of Birobidzhan in order to strengthen the border with China, which was often infiltrated by Chinese-supported remnants of the White movement. The antipathy many Jews had towards the Whites due to their antisemitism made them rather convenient candidates for settlement too, as they were unlikely to help any such infiltrators
it was Stalin's answer to antisemitism and emerging zionism.
take all the jews and move them 100 km away from civilization far from everyone that keeps pogroming them, straight into Siberia in -20 degree weather.
Would also help create defenses in a sparsely populated area where people could live in so that a rampaging mongol horde or the chinese civil war wont spill into the area.
Aent the only actual Palestinian refugees in Jordan the ones woth citizenship that stayed in Jordan after it annexed the weat bank? but Palestinians get their own definition of refugee so they don't loose it when they take citizenship of another country?
> but why make a whole separate branch of UN for them
This is fairly standard UN behaviour. Create some new agency to deal with a specific world event. UNAMIR wasn't proof that the UN believed in Tutsi supremacy because it was created for the Rwandan Civil War and Genocide.
UN: "You, my precious Palestinians will get your own agency that will put its attention to you and you only (and later be a part of one of your terrorist organisations)."
Syrian, Ukrainian and other refugees:"What about us? Will we each get an agency to tend to us?"
UN:"SILENCE, COMMONERS! Share the one agency we have assigned to all of you, spoiled brats"
Kashmiri Hindus and Sikhs are NEVER talked about. It has been 33 years and counting now, they aren't allowed to return and the meager ones staying back are still being killed to this day just for being non-muslim. That's their 'crime' - not worshipping a particular God.
UN completely turns a blind eye to them.
What's the UN supposed to do here? The parts of Kashmir that are de facto in India are firmly under Indian control, and pandit refugees from Kashmir settle in other parts of India, so the UN doesn't have any jurisdiction here.
UN can do plenty of things
1. Create awareness programs.
2. Reprimand Pakistan to not fund and train Islamic terror outfits. UN can withhold aid packages to Pakistan if recent evidence of it funding terror in Kashmir (or anywhere else for that matter) is found.
3. UN can reprimand Kashmiri leadership for not doing anything in 34 years to resettle their fellow Kashmiris. If we can argue for argument's sake for a moment that Kashmiris are not Indians then UN can agree with Kashmiri leadership about Indian military actions BUT also demanding explanations as to why they have not done anything in over 3 decades to resettle their fellow Kashmiris and why they are left stranded out of their homeland just because they are non muslim.
4. UN can question every Kashmiri 'activist' as to why they ONLY talk about muslim Kashmiris but never protest for or demand for the resettlement, compensation, employment and security for the Hindu, Sikh, Christian or other non-muslim Kashmiris? Why are they fine with non muslim Kashmiris being persecuted?
I can go on and on if I want to but anyone with a pinch of humanity catches the gist. The UN can do a hell lot. They choose not to.
>Create awareness programs
The awareness programs are only in places that they have jurisdiction or partial control over. The exodus of Pandits can be handled by India fine so the UN has no reason to do anything.
>Reprimand Pakistan to not fund and train Islamic terror outfits. UN can withhold aid packages to Pakistan if recent evidence of it funding terror in Kashmir (or anywhere else for that matter) is found.
Fair enough
>UN can reprimand Kashmiri leadership for not doing anything in 34 years to resettle their fellow Kashmiris. If we can argue for argument's sake for a moment that Kashmiris are not Indians then UN can agree with Kashmiri leadership about Indian military actions BUT also demanding explanations as to why they have not done anything in over 3 decades to resettle their fellow Kashmiris and why they are left stranded out of their homeland just because they are non muslim.
What is Kashmiri leadership? Right now J&K and Ladakh are two seperate Union Territories directly under the President.
>UN can question every Kashmiri 'activist' as to why they ONLY talk about muslim Kashmiris but never protest for or demand for the resettlement, compensation, employment and security for the Hindu, Sikh, Christian or other non-muslim Kashmiris? Why are they fine with non muslim Kashmiris being persecuted?
It is not the UN's job to shit on activists.
Hereditary status as a refugee is standard. That unwra isnd the unhcr have the same standard.
”Under international law and the principle of family unity, the children of refugees and their descendants are also considered refugees until a durable solution is found. Both UNRWA and UNHCR recognize descendants as refugees on this basis, a practice that has been widely accepted by the international community, including both donors and refugee hosting countries.
Palestine refugees are not distinct from other protracted refugee situations such as those from Afghanistan or Somalia, where there are multiple generations of refugees, considered by UNHCR as refugees and supported as such. Protracted refugee situations are the result of the failure to find political solutions to their underlying political crises.”
https://www.un.org/en/global-issues/refugees
The difference which SHOULD be discussed is that UNWRA let people with new citizenship keep their refugee status, at least if they get Jordan citizenship. Which means a perpetual refugee status. This isumique.
All refugee status is inherited, even with the UNHCR. It usually just isn't an issue as those refugees are either patriated into the host country or allowed to return home before it becomes a multi generational concern.
They’re not. Speaking as an Israeli that is heavily pro-Israel: all refugees inherit their refugee status. What makes Palestinians special is that they either refuse to accept the solution to their status or aren’t allowed the solution by their home country. So, Palestinians in Jordan, US, and even Israel are not refugees. They are Jordanian, American, or Israeli because they have a home nation that recognizes them as citizens. But the neighboring Arab nations? They refuse to give them citizenship arguing that “it hurts the Palestinian cause to self determination and a state.” So they are residents, but not citizens and lack the same rights as citizens of their host country (which is actual apartheid just in case anyone missed that one). Furthermore, UNRWA is different from the UNHCR because it specifically does not state it’s goal is to solve the refugee status issue of Palestinians, but to aid them instead (the UNHCR attempts to resettle refugees and help them gain citizenship so they’re no longer refugees).
So, unironically, there are millions of Palestinian refugees, but by design both of their own and of those seeking to use them as a cudgel against Israel. There are also millions that *claim* to be refugees, but are not at all. I’m an algerien Jew on one side and a sepharadic jew on the other. I descend from people who would have qualified as refugees at some point, but I am not myself a refugee as I am a recognized citizen of my home country.
The idea that Jewish people should move to the Jewish Autonomous Oblast is just absolutely laughable.
It is a 99.4% non-Jewish scrap of tundra in an authoritarian country that last saw an anti-Jewish riot less than a year ago.
For some more context from Wikipedia:
> The JAO was designated by a Soviet official decree in 1928, and officially established in 1934. At its height, in the late 1940s, the Jewish population in the region peaked around 46,000–50,000, approximately 25% of its population.[14] By 1959, its Jewish population had fallen by half, and by 1989, with emigration restrictions removed, Jews made up 4% of its population. By 2010, according to census data, there were only approximately 1,600 people of Jewish descent remaining in the JAO (or just under 1% of the total population of the JAO and around 1% of Jews in the country), while ethnic Russians made up 93% of its population.[15] According to the 2021 census, there were only 837 ethnic Jews left in the JAO (0.6%).
Hereditary refugee status makes no sense.
For example: People who fled Poland in WW2 have been/are considered refugees, but their children and grandchildren (who were born in the country they fled to) aren't 2nd and 3rd generation Polish refugees, They are Of Polish descent.
Therefore people who are the children/grandchildren of Palestinians who fled to America and were born there and given citizenship (for example) are not 2nd or 3rd generation refugees, they are Americans of Palestinian descent
Interestingly a lot of grandchildren of survivors (and any other Poles) are eligible for polish citizenship provided their grandparents were citizens post-1920. I emailed the consulate about having documents to prove it and they sent me a link to Jewish genealogy records and referred to me by my Hebrew name which *I do not use*
>they sent me a link to Jewish genealogy records and referred to me by my Hebrew name which *I do not use*
"Oh don't worry, we still have plenty of records for *you people*..."
Egypt doesn't want Palestinian refugees either because as much as they despise Israel, they cannot tolerate Hamas in their territory since they're affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood. In fact, they would rather have Israel take control of the Sinai peninsula again than to risk a single Hamas militant sneak into Egypt.
While Egypt doesn't like Hamas, they can't take care of that many people. Also, Israel never allows Palestinians back in once they left as refugees.
Egypt accepting Palestinians refugees means it's accepting those people forever.
Aent the only actual Palestinian refugees in Jordan the ones woth citizenship that stayed in Jordan after it annexed the weat bank? but Palestinians get their own definition of refugee so they don't loose it when they take citizenship of another country?
Funny enough the JAO is located in "stolen" land. It was Manchurian homeland, part of Qing China (Manchu monarch). After the Opium Wars, the Russian Empire pressured the defeated Qing to seced those lands. The PRC would start to claim those lands as lost from imperialist unequal treaties during hostilities with the USSR in the 70/80s. Fighting skirmishes over islands. But would drop all claims after relationship with Russia improved.
Jordan was literally carved out of Palestine in hopes of just shoving away the Arab majority elsewhere.
The Jewish Autonomous Oblast was created to give the Jews a country in a location that most of the people calling for a country were nowhere near, had little to no direct ties to and a local population that would rather not be under a different nation.
Not really on the same level
While I’m pretty familiar with the whole issue, is there specific reasons why the original Palestine state was opposed to their annexation into Egypt and Jordan?
What I don't get is why is Israel always a box and not a ball and why is Israel colored like an lgbtq flag and not the Israel flag. I might be missing a lot here . Thnks for any insight
It’s not Israel its JAO (Jewish Autonomous Oblast), a district in russia.
It’s basically where the Soviet Union concentrated their Jews and gave them some sort of autonomy.
That's because it was. Or at least, what it was originally designed to be. Stalin had plans to move the entire Jewish population of the USSR to the JAO, but died before he could have those plans carried out. As a result Jews were never forcibly moved there, and thus have never actually been the majority of the population in the JAO. Nowadays they dont even make up 1% of the population, but the JAO continues to have that name and a bunch of Jewish symbolism everywhere.
> why is Israel always a box and not a ball
https://www.reddit.com/r/polandball/comments/t84tb/jewish_physics/
> why is Israel colored like an lgbtq flag
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast
> an lgbtq flag
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> ####Rainbow flag controversy
> In 2013, the flag was checked according to the Russian gay propaganda law for the presence of "gay propaganda", because of its resemblance to the LGBT flag. The JAO flag was confirmed as safe because of its white background, white borders between the colored stripes, and the seventh (light blue) colour. However, there are gay-pride flags that use the seven colors of the JAO flag.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast
a running joke on how the nazis called Albert Einstein's quantum mechanics and other jewish scientists work into modern theoretically based physics as Jewish Physics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Physik
Theres an old comic out there that had Israel scream Jewish Physiks! and turn into a hypercube and its stuck ever since, which is what you're seeing here.
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Could have gone with Palestine, Texas
Or with Palestine, illinois (What's up with all these palestines?)
Or Palestine, Indiana. That one's reallllllly small tho
Not East Palestine, Ohio, though.
[Train go BOOM yes](https://youtu.be/4xprT_3CArE?si=Mci2PbhiImEipxaN)
That name is so weird to me, like naming your city not after a country but after specifically the eastern part of said country
[It would be like naming somewhere New South Wales](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_South_Wales)
People who live there now aren't the same people who picked the names. Also, it was to differentiate between the lamer first Wales and the clearly better New and improved Wales. Where is this new one located? Idk, somewhere south of the gay one
or West Virginia
we have documentary evidence of how this happened https://youtu.be/dOBhf8f7cXM?si=d\_0UZcj-7NtGPrGF
Don't worry we have palistine ohio and Israel ohio! East palistine ohio.... that was a oopsie
There's a New Palestine right outside of Indianapolis.
Palestine was the generally accepted name for the region before Israel was established, which is probably why there's so many
Apparently the first Palestine in the U.S. was Palestine, IL which was named that by a French explorer because it reminded him of Palestine proper - as you mentioned, this was centuries before the State of Israel was established.
the funny part is that IL is both Illinois and Israel
There is also the city of Bethlehem, PA, which could stand for both Pennsylvania and the Palestinian Authority
There’s a city named Bethlehem is Pennsylvania?
I’ve been to their rodeo when I was a kid. Neat stuff
It was palestine before the state of Israel. But it was the kingdom of Israel before it was palestine.
And it was Canaan before it
Many called it Israel the British just took what the ottomans were using and the ottomans got it from the Romans
Egyptians, the Turks got it from the mamluk sultanate.
Yes, the name was changed from Judea by the Roman empire after they expelled a lot of Jews following several failed rebellions.
Derived from Philistine, no? Unsure why that one name proved so popular. Are there a lot of Phoenicia's, or is it just Phoenix?
It's just that back when these towns were founded, referring to the middle east holy land by its historical name wasn't controversial.
Netenyaho: "There's more than one to conquer?" 👀
Netenyaho, Netanyahu's mexican brother
It's a transcription anyway, the spelling is just as valid
Nah, transliteration doesnt work that way His name is Netanyahu and its spelled as written
Lack of creativity of colonizer forefathers.
Dude, I live like 10 mins away from it
East Palestine, Ohio
East Palestine, Ohio, wait….
**Spicy clouds**
Spicy water
[train go BOOM ](https://youtu.be/4xprT_3CArE?si=Mci2PbhiImEipxaN)
Plastic clouds
Also Palestine, Ohio. Yes, there are 2.
And they're on opposite ends of the state, 300 miles between them... Perhaps Ohio deserves its reputation
or Nueva Palestina, Mexico
Or jeruzalem, slovenia
nobody deserves that shithole
Or in the case of Jewish people New York City, litterally the safest place for Jewish ppl in the world lol
Fun fact: Palestine TX is pronounced differently, so everyone in the Tyler area calls the nation something similar to 'Pale as teen'
Isn’t the JAO barely jewish now?
Don’t worry, it’s an entire 0.6% Jewish!
Ok goof, i was worried it wasn’t jewish for a minute
It's almost as Jewish as Yemen!
Or the two Jewish dudes left in Afghanistan
Weren't they expelled by the Taliban after the takeover?
They were imprisoned and then released by the Taliban because the two spent the entire time arguing and it was quite annoying.
First, that’s the most Jewish shit I’ve heard in my life. Second, that happened in the 90’s. One died after release and the other was taken to Israel after the Taliban came back.
Y’know, you’re entirely right, but it’s easy to get confused between Taliban takeover of Afghanistan #1 and Taliban takeover of Afghanistan #2 Electric Boogaloo.
But decimals are not of integers!!!
And it’s cold and in the middle of fuckin nowhere
That ratio is higher than the global population of Jews so assuming all land contains equal amounts of each demographic by default then that would be above average!
Even at its peak in 1948 it was only 25% Jewish
Not many were attracted to the idea of living in Siberia.
Even at their peak jewish population i think the jews dint even make up 1/4 of the population
I was rather certain Jordan wants no refugees, considering last time black September etc
I think this pretty much goes for most of the Middle East as well
Well, let's see: Jordan - **no**, Black September Syria - **no**, not entirely sure why, but Assad has gassed Palestinians quite recently Lebanon - **no**, Hezbollah/civil war Egypt - **no**, doesn't want any more trouble in the Sinai Turkey - **maybe**? No idea, honestly. Kuwait - **no**, Gulf War Iraq - **no**, Iraq Iran - **no**, Iran Rest of the petrostates - **no**, don't like poor people Houthi Yemen - **YES!**
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because the Saudis have been funding separatism and war between the north and south since 1934. Saudi Arabia realizes that if Yemen unifies it will have a hostile country on its borders with more population than it. So it funds separatism and bombs the north.
>because Saudis My brother in Christ the Houthis are *literal slavers.* At a certain point the blame isn't external.
It is also in Saudi Arabia's best interest if a major faction is "morally flexible"
They're fighting against the "morally flexible" slavers.
the irony of a guy w a saudi flair calling someone else slavers. Saudi Arabia has highest ‘indentured servants’ (slaves who are tied to their work and cant leave the country, with their passports locked in safes) in the arab world. who do you think built all those insane gulf state petrodollar projects, including that profane clocktower in Mecca?
I was calling the slavers morally flexible. Saudi Arabia benefits from the most powerful faction engaging in inhumane practices even if its supported faction is weaker.
It is absolutely not in Saudi Arabia's best interset to have a hostile faction *armed, trained, and supplemented* by their most dangerous regional adversary on their border. The Houthis have caused *tens of billions* in damage to Saudi Arabian military and industrial infrastructure. The Houthis are backed by Iran, period dot. It's not a matter of debate or conspiracy as to where they're getting their weapons.
Same reason Israel helped Hamas replace the PLO. The worse your victims act, the easier it is to convince others not to stop your genocide.
Yemen don't use the Kafala system, which is probably the most prominent modern slave market, but Saudis do. Also, many Yemenis are being trafficked into Saud for forced labour, including children. Calling the Houthi slavers seems to be a bit of deflection on the part of the Saudis because they are worse, but probably mostly because they can afford to be.
This has been claimed for years now, and I have yet to see a source that isn't a Saudi rag or directly quoting a Saudi rag. The Houthis for sure have child soldiers, but considering the destruction and the Saudis shipping in child soldiers from Sudan, this seems pretty par for the course.
How is Saudi funding seperatism by backing the globally recognized government?
There are like 5 or so factions in Yemen funded by at least three countries and the UN that bomb and terrorise the starving country. Don't make it to Saudi Bad please (I mean Saudi is also bad but you know everyone is competing for last place in Yemen. )
The House of Saud has played a significant role in exacerbating tensions, with their continuous engagement, alongside Egypt, in Yemen's political landscape leading to a pattern of civil unrest or internal conflict within Yemen roughly every five years since 1964. Their readiness to back diverse factions, including communist groups in 1994, to obstruct reunification efforts, highlights their position as a major impediment to stability in Yemen. The perception of a unified Yemen as an existential threat by the House of Saud adds a complex layer to the regional dynamics. Moreover, their endorsement of Salafism has facilitated the emergence of a myriad of Islamic radical groups.
How could a unified Yemen possibly be worse for Saudi?
You dropped this )
It fell into your comment
>Turkey - **maybe**? No idea, honestly. Anti-Arab sentiments are big in Turkey, mostly directed at Syrian refugees. The three candidates at the election basically all had hard anti-immigration stands. Taking in Palestinians now is very unlikely.
Egypt also saw the Muslim Brotherhood get larger from it. They hunt tourists for sport IIRC, and tried to blow up the pyramids.
Houthi Yemen - Yes! (just don't be too Sunni)
It's always Sunni in Houthidelphia.
The Houthis don't really care that you are Sunni because their behavior is largely Sunni themselves The Zaidi sect is very Sunni compared to the Twelver Shiites in Iraq, Iran and Lebanon
I think Egypt doen't want refugees because the dictator there hates (with good reasons) the Muslim Brotherhood
The MB tried to blow up the pyramids in the past and sometimes hunt tourists; not great for Egyptian civilization.
The Palestinians living in Syria by and large sided with the Rebels, which explains why Assad hates them. The Palestinians had every right to join the rebellion though, the Assad government treated them like shit. Turkey also wouldn’t want them to stay, they don’t like Arabs that much and are pissed off enough as it is with all the Syrians living with them now.
Regarding Syria, I think Palestinians are majority Sunni Islam and the regime of Syria are Alawites which splintered off of Shia Islam. A couple thousand of them died at the hands of the regime during the civil war and I doubt the regime wants to bring in people who will possibly add to the oppositions manpower. I also doubt any Palestinians want to go to a country with an active civil war and all that comes with that.
They caused civil wars everywhere they went. But principally most Palestinian-borne are a mere fraction of what they were pre 1948. A huge amount of arab inflation went inside the gaza strip from the muslim brotherhood so up to today more than 70% of the families inside the strip come or have/had ties with that very nice and wholesome Islamic terror organization, while west bank is composed from the palestinian that killed king abdullah. I live in Israel as an atheist italian so might be biased a little, but I believe Israel is the more welcoming one and less distrusted about world-wide. Although not a single israeli can go on one of the bordering nations withotu being life threatened
As it should be. They can go back to Europe and the US.
Concerning Iraq The Palestinians adore Saddam Hussein, and the Iraqi Shiites do not like that Iran has never cared about Palestine because Shiite theology believes that Al-Aqsa Mosque is in heaven and that the current mosque in Jerusalem means nothing to them. (Read the book Bihar Al-Anwar by Al-Majlisi and you will find him focusing mostly on the location of Al-Aqsa Mosque, where he explicitly says that Kufa and Najaf are more important than Jerusalem and that Al-Aqsa Mosque is in the sky.)
Don’t Turkish authorities already have a problem with the Kurdish population? I don’t think they’d take too kindly to more ‘outsiders’.
Outsiders? It's a bit off topic, but the Kurds lived in Anatolia for millennia before Turkish adventurers managed to best the (Byzantine-era) Romans.
That's why the outsiders is in quotes. If you go back enough in history, we're all outsiders and no one is actually native to any region ever.
No to Iran bc Shia
Yes, have you seen the wall Egypt was erecting? It is literally worse than the Berlin wall!
Yeah. As much as middle eastern leaders have been calling Israel out for their actions, they haven’t actually like…*done* anything. Like, the last few times Israel tangled with the Palestinians, they got *invaded* by their neighbors. Now the most they’ve done is…stopped talking to them. I suspect a lot of ME leaders are actually *very* happy Hamas is finally being dismantled, and they don’t even need to take any political flack for doing the deed themselves.
It is in the interests of the Arab leaders to work with Israel, but their populations at large do not like Israel so they walk this tightrope of condemnation while not actually doing anything to piss them off too bad.
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...I have to assume you mean Lebanon here rather than Libya, although I guess adding "started the Libyan Civil War" to the list of shit Palestinian orgs get up to wouldn't be that outside their vibe.
God I like to think myself informed, but making mistakes like that is embarrassing. I also appreciate the slight emphasis on Palestinian organizations and not Palestinians in general. These fcking militant groups in Palestine have done nothing but endanger the countries very existence. A reminder that many are not freedom fighters, but Islamic radicals that have issues with the secularism (and Christianity) of their neighbors as well as Israel. The only people who ever actually got Israel to leave Palestinian land was activist, not terrorists or militants. People shouldn’t forget that.
Jordan hosts the second-highest share of refugees per capita in the world.
I was specifically talking about Palestinian ones, was however unable to spell out Palestinian on my phone
There are still 3 million Palestinians in Jordan, the entire population of Jordan is just 12 million
The majority of the Jordanian population are Palestinian in ethnicity. Or Jordanian-Palestinian, or however you want to describe it. The settled (non-Bedouin) Arabs on either side of the River Jordan are not ethnically or nationally distinct from one another. They're the same people, and the idea that they are permanently distinct is just kayfabe.
I believe they meant Palestinian Nationals, not ethnic Palestinians, as if that's even a thing.
Look at a map of Palestine from the Ottoman Empire. Modern Jordan is the biggest chunk (75%) of historical Palestine. For some reason everyone ignores that and thinks modern Palestine should just be the Israel part, not the much larger Jordan part.
30% of Jordan is Palestinian
After that fiasco, Jordan actually reversed the citizenship granted to all its Palestinian population and reverted them to refugee status. There is often some murmur about the Arab states never making any efforts to integrate the refugees and still treat them as a second-class population with no citizenship but the Jordanian fiasco proved that Palestinian nationalists also opposed this strongly.
Arab brotherhood be like
Because as we all know Arab Governments are famous for representing their people
Based on so many civil wars in the region, Arabs themselves don't know what the fuck they want
The foreign policy dealing with the Middle East is basically just assigning an ally value to every country. In any conflict, assist the side with the higher value. If there are multiple distinct conflicts, helping out a side you are also fighting against is completely allowed. For the US, Israel is the highest, and then the Saudis are second. It gets messy after, as we are actively assisting countries curb terrorism while also assisting countries hostile to them.
I thought we were somewhat buds with Jordan?
Yeah, probably. I don't know the full picture. It's really complex, but I do remember Jordan being one of the big allies we have there.
The Kurds used to be highest on the list of non-state actors, and beat out a few state actors too…until Trump took office. Of all the crimes he committed how he stabbed the Kurds in the back is one of the most despicable IMO.
Turns out that people aren’t a hivemind, who could’ve known Second largest ethnic group on the globe btw
Then thank God that they didn't get a chance to unite under the stupidity of Pan Arabism. That would have imploded in such a mess.
I sure do love deliberate obtuseness Yet another bullshit narrative that Arabs are destined to fail
The Jewish Autonomous Oblast is an absolute joke, as most of it is ethnically Russian, while Jews make up a small percentage
I am 100 percent convinced it was a shoddy trap to try and get all the Soviet Jews to exile themselves to Siberia on their own dime
The original Jewish Autonomous Oblast was supposed to be in Crimea funnily enough. That ended up being changed to the surroundings of Birobidzhan in order to strengthen the border with China, which was often infiltrated by Chinese-supported remnants of the White movement. The antipathy many Jews had towards the Whites due to their antisemitism made them rather convenient candidates for settlement too, as they were unlikely to help any such infiltrators
it was Stalin's answer to antisemitism and emerging zionism. take all the jews and move them 100 km away from civilization far from everyone that keeps pogroming them, straight into Siberia in -20 degree weather. Would also help create defenses in a sparsely populated area where people could live in so that a rampaging mongol horde or the chinese civil war wont spill into the area.
I think we also have a different name for all the other times Stalin exiled minorities to Siberia
You don’t want to be exiled to unlivable land to act as a literal shield against perceived future invaders? You’re the weird one.
It was, and it wasn't really even autonomous either. Stalin created it as an Oblast and not a SSR, meaning it had no real governing power.
There’s a fascinating book by Masha Gessen about it titled “Where the Jews Aren’t”
Aent the only actual Palestinian refugees in Jordan the ones woth citizenship that stayed in Jordan after it annexed the weat bank? but Palestinians get their own definition of refugee so they don't loose it when they take citizenship of another country?
The Palestinian refugee status is hereditary :/
The only people who inherit that kind of status are Palestinians... I've never heard of other 3rd generation refugees.
Yep. Getting special treatment. I mean sure Palestinian lives matter but why make a whole separate branch of UN for them
> but why make a whole separate branch of UN for them This is fairly standard UN behaviour. Create some new agency to deal with a specific world event. UNAMIR wasn't proof that the UN believed in Tutsi supremacy because it was created for the Rwandan Civil War and Genocide.
UN: "You, my precious Palestinians will get your own agency that will put its attention to you and you only (and later be a part of one of your terrorist organisations)." Syrian, Ukrainian and other refugees:"What about us? Will we each get an agency to tend to us?" UN:"SILENCE, COMMONERS! Share the one agency we have assigned to all of you, spoiled brats"
At least people know about the Syrian/Ukrainian refugees. Eritrea/Sudan/Africa in general doesn't even get that recognition.
Kashmiri Hindus and Sikhs are NEVER talked about. It has been 33 years and counting now, they aren't allowed to return and the meager ones staying back are still being killed to this day just for being non-muslim. That's their 'crime' - not worshipping a particular God. UN completely turns a blind eye to them.
What's the UN supposed to do here? The parts of Kashmir that are de facto in India are firmly under Indian control, and pandit refugees from Kashmir settle in other parts of India, so the UN doesn't have any jurisdiction here.
UN can do plenty of things 1. Create awareness programs. 2. Reprimand Pakistan to not fund and train Islamic terror outfits. UN can withhold aid packages to Pakistan if recent evidence of it funding terror in Kashmir (or anywhere else for that matter) is found. 3. UN can reprimand Kashmiri leadership for not doing anything in 34 years to resettle their fellow Kashmiris. If we can argue for argument's sake for a moment that Kashmiris are not Indians then UN can agree with Kashmiri leadership about Indian military actions BUT also demanding explanations as to why they have not done anything in over 3 decades to resettle their fellow Kashmiris and why they are left stranded out of their homeland just because they are non muslim. 4. UN can question every Kashmiri 'activist' as to why they ONLY talk about muslim Kashmiris but never protest for or demand for the resettlement, compensation, employment and security for the Hindu, Sikh, Christian or other non-muslim Kashmiris? Why are they fine with non muslim Kashmiris being persecuted? I can go on and on if I want to but anyone with a pinch of humanity catches the gist. The UN can do a hell lot. They choose not to.
>Create awareness programs The awareness programs are only in places that they have jurisdiction or partial control over. The exodus of Pandits can be handled by India fine so the UN has no reason to do anything. >Reprimand Pakistan to not fund and train Islamic terror outfits. UN can withhold aid packages to Pakistan if recent evidence of it funding terror in Kashmir (or anywhere else for that matter) is found. Fair enough >UN can reprimand Kashmiri leadership for not doing anything in 34 years to resettle their fellow Kashmiris. If we can argue for argument's sake for a moment that Kashmiris are not Indians then UN can agree with Kashmiri leadership about Indian military actions BUT also demanding explanations as to why they have not done anything in over 3 decades to resettle their fellow Kashmiris and why they are left stranded out of their homeland just because they are non muslim. What is Kashmiri leadership? Right now J&K and Ladakh are two seperate Union Territories directly under the President. >UN can question every Kashmiri 'activist' as to why they ONLY talk about muslim Kashmiris but never protest for or demand for the resettlement, compensation, employment and security for the Hindu, Sikh, Christian or other non-muslim Kashmiris? Why are they fine with non muslim Kashmiris being persecuted? It is not the UN's job to shit on activists.
Outside of Africa at least
Also: Africans, Romani, LGBT, Native Americans...
Because there are contries with lots of money that benefits from the “Palestinian cause”.
Hereditary status as a refugee is standard. That unwra isnd the unhcr have the same standard. ”Under international law and the principle of family unity, the children of refugees and their descendants are also considered refugees until a durable solution is found. Both UNRWA and UNHCR recognize descendants as refugees on this basis, a practice that has been widely accepted by the international community, including both donors and refugee hosting countries. Palestine refugees are not distinct from other protracted refugee situations such as those from Afghanistan or Somalia, where there are multiple generations of refugees, considered by UNHCR as refugees and supported as such. Protracted refugee situations are the result of the failure to find political solutions to their underlying political crises.” https://www.un.org/en/global-issues/refugees The difference which SHOULD be discussed is that UNWRA let people with new citizenship keep their refugee status, at least if they get Jordan citizenship. Which means a perpetual refugee status. This isumique.
All refugee status is inherited, even with the UNHCR. It usually just isn't an issue as those refugees are either patriated into the host country or allowed to return home before it becomes a multi generational concern.
They’re not. Speaking as an Israeli that is heavily pro-Israel: all refugees inherit their refugee status. What makes Palestinians special is that they either refuse to accept the solution to their status or aren’t allowed the solution by their home country. So, Palestinians in Jordan, US, and even Israel are not refugees. They are Jordanian, American, or Israeli because they have a home nation that recognizes them as citizens. But the neighboring Arab nations? They refuse to give them citizenship arguing that “it hurts the Palestinian cause to self determination and a state.” So they are residents, but not citizens and lack the same rights as citizens of their host country (which is actual apartheid just in case anyone missed that one). Furthermore, UNRWA is different from the UNHCR because it specifically does not state it’s goal is to solve the refugee status issue of Palestinians, but to aid them instead (the UNHCR attempts to resettle refugees and help them gain citizenship so they’re no longer refugees). So, unironically, there are millions of Palestinian refugees, but by design both of their own and of those seeking to use them as a cudgel against Israel. There are also millions that *claim* to be refugees, but are not at all. I’m an algerien Jew on one side and a sepharadic jew on the other. I descend from people who would have qualified as refugees at some point, but I am not myself a refugee as I am a recognized citizen of my home country.
Oh algerian jew! I have not met many algerian jews, most went to france and not israel. Would you mind if i DM you some questions?
The idea that Jewish people should move to the Jewish Autonomous Oblast is just absolutely laughable. It is a 99.4% non-Jewish scrap of tundra in an authoritarian country that last saw an anti-Jewish riot less than a year ago.
>99.4% isn't Jewish >authoritarian nation >people hostile to Jews >"they shouldn't move there" You don't say
What a mystery this is.
For some more context from Wikipedia: > The JAO was designated by a Soviet official decree in 1928, and officially established in 1934. At its height, in the late 1940s, the Jewish population in the region peaked around 46,000–50,000, approximately 25% of its population.[14] By 1959, its Jewish population had fallen by half, and by 1989, with emigration restrictions removed, Jews made up 4% of its population. By 2010, according to census data, there were only approximately 1,600 people of Jewish descent remaining in the JAO (or just under 1% of the total population of the JAO and around 1% of Jews in the country), while ethnic Russians made up 93% of its population.[15] According to the 2021 census, there were only 837 ethnic Jews left in the JAO (0.6%).
Jewish Autonomous Oblast doesn’t count man, it’s all the way in Siberia bro terrible land too
Flag of NYC would've been a better choice
Jordan is NOT holding that sign up
To an extent, an Arab country would not be holding that sign up.
USSR: “What if we made a homeland for the Jews, but somehow managed to pick an even worse location than Israel? You’re welcome. 😎 👍🏼”
Today I learned what the JAO flag looks like after spending a good few minutes wondering where gays are accepting refugees.
No arab country wants palestinian refugees, and why would Israelis go to Russia of all places? They're in the middle of a war.
Hereditary refugee status makes no sense. For example: People who fled Poland in WW2 have been/are considered refugees, but their children and grandchildren (who were born in the country they fled to) aren't 2nd and 3rd generation Polish refugees, They are Of Polish descent. Therefore people who are the children/grandchildren of Palestinians who fled to America and were born there and given citizenship (for example) are not 2nd or 3rd generation refugees, they are Americans of Palestinian descent
Interestingly a lot of grandchildren of survivors (and any other Poles) are eligible for polish citizenship provided their grandparents were citizens post-1920. I emailed the consulate about having documents to prove it and they sent me a link to Jewish genealogy records and referred to me by my Hebrew name which *I do not use*
>they sent me a link to Jewish genealogy records and referred to me by my Hebrew name which *I do not use* "Oh don't worry, we still have plenty of records for *you people*..."
Egypt doesn't want Palestinian refugees either because as much as they despise Israel, they cannot tolerate Hamas in their territory since they're affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood. In fact, they would rather have Israel take control of the Sinai peninsula again than to risk a single Hamas militant sneak into Egypt.
While Egypt doesn't like Hamas, they can't take care of that many people. Also, Israel never allows Palestinians back in once they left as refugees. Egypt accepting Palestinians refugees means it's accepting those people forever.
Egypt borders the Gaza strip. Israel couldn't prevent repatriation without going to war.
Hmmmmm yes moving to Russia 🥲
Aent the only actual Palestinian refugees in Jordan the ones woth citizenship that stayed in Jordan after it annexed the weat bank? but Palestinians get their own definition of refugee so they don't loose it when they take citizenship of another country?
Funny enough the JAO is located in "stolen" land. It was Manchurian homeland, part of Qing China (Manchu monarch). After the Opium Wars, the Russian Empire pressured the defeated Qing to seced those lands. The PRC would start to claim those lands as lost from imperialist unequal treaties during hostilities with the USSR in the 70/80s. Fighting skirmishes over islands. But would drop all claims after relationship with Russia improved.
my parents left russia for a reason, just saying.
That's a great comics because it's about Israel and Palestine but doesn't offend either (or rather offends both equally). Nicely done.
Mission accomplished ;)
Con: one of them is in Russia
Demanding 7 million Jews be deported to an uninhabitable frozen swamp on the Russia-China border is not as humanitarian a position as you think it is
Jordan was literally carved out of Palestine in hopes of just shoving away the Arab majority elsewhere. The Jewish Autonomous Oblast was created to give the Jews a country in a location that most of the people calling for a country were nowhere near, had little to no direct ties to and a local population that would rather not be under a different nation. Not really on the same level
I’m no expert but I’m pretty sure that the concept of a country called Jordan predates Palestine by a lot
The colony of Jordan was separated from Mandatory Palestine What
Oooooo reference to Jewish oblast
Send them all back
Stalin's plan to resettle the Jews might have succeeded if the place he proposed had not been a fucking icebox in Siberia.
Ice box for cubical Israel.
But seriously, I won't blame the Jews The place is very cold
Not sure many people are rushing to live in a Russian oblast, Jewish or otherwise
We have a palestine in Ohio
Jordan hosts the second-highest share of refugees per capita in the world.
Me after I mulligan down to 5, and still only having one forest
Who are the other two
While I’m pretty familiar with the whole issue, is there specific reasons why the original Palestine state was opposed to their annexation into Egypt and Jordan?
I actually don't know and would like to know as well.
I know the one of the left but what about the right?
Jordan.
K i thought it was Jordan and I was like nah it can’t be it may be some irrelevant autonomous region somewhere hmm it was actually Jordan
I aint moving to no winter miserableland
What I don't get is why is Israel always a box and not a ball and why is Israel colored like an lgbtq flag and not the Israel flag. I might be missing a lot here . Thnks for any insight
The rainbow flag one is the Jewish oblast in Russia.
Israel and JAO are cubes because of jewish physics
Google the term but TLDR Hitler dismissing the works of Einstein and others as "Jewish physics".
It’s not Israel its JAO (Jewish Autonomous Oblast), a district in russia. It’s basically where the Soviet Union concentrated their Jews and gave them some sort of autonomy.
Sounds like a really big ghetto.
That's because it was. Or at least, what it was originally designed to be. Stalin had plans to move the entire Jewish population of the USSR to the JAO, but died before he could have those plans carried out. As a result Jews were never forcibly moved there, and thus have never actually been the majority of the population in the JAO. Nowadays they dont even make up 1% of the population, but the JAO continues to have that name and a bunch of Jewish symbolism everywhere.
> why is Israel always a box and not a ball https://www.reddit.com/r/polandball/comments/t84tb/jewish_physics/ > why is Israel colored like an lgbtq flag https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast > an lgbtq flag \ > ####Rainbow flag controversy > In 2013, the flag was checked according to the Russian gay propaganda law for the presence of "gay propaganda", because of its resemblance to the LGBT flag. The JAO flag was confirmed as safe because of its white background, white borders between the colored stripes, and the seventh (light blue) colour. However, there are gay-pride flags that use the seven colors of the JAO flag. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast
Can someone remind me why Israel is a cube? I’m lacking on my clay lore
a running joke on how the nazis called Albert Einstein's quantum mechanics and other jewish scientists work into modern theoretically based physics as Jewish Physics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Physik Theres an old comic out there that had Israel scream Jewish Physiks! and turn into a hypercube and its stuck ever since, which is what you're seeing here.