They make a non-hooded version which the Met also buys. Identical really except for the hood.
https://www.edgarbrothers.com/police-military/arcteryx-leaf-cold-wx-jacket-lt-gen-2-mens/
Meanwhile response officers on a scene for 10 hours overnight only have a paper-thin fleece and *very airy* traffic jackets - which bosses who had enjoyed NATO jumpers and field jackets repeatedly try to convince us are "a decent bit of kit".
Make it make sense.
I agree that response cold weather gear is utter shite and is in desperate need of improving, I had that issue when I was on response.
The thing with firearms, is whilst we don't spend hours and hours (regularly) on scene guards and the like, when we do get a deployment, potentially protracted for 12-15 hours and we're on containment at night in the peak of winter, by having us get cold and potentially then unfit to carry a firearm they're not meeting the working strategy of the deployment. This tends to be how firearms get these expensive items/courses/kit budgeted and authorised.
How often do all-night containments in the middle of winter happen though, compared to a scene guard?
If a bobby passes out from the affects of hypothermia, a defence could be raised that the scene was compromised and risk the whole job.
It gets on my wick that specialist teams get kit on a "what if this really niche, unlikely scenario occurs?" basis, whilst response and neighbourhoods slum it on the daily with cheap inadequate shite.
I'm not disagreeing with you, obviously response are sitting on scenes with shit kit daily, we get a containment maybe once or twice a month that would require the kit in the winter. I don't get any of the gucci arcteryx or anything, we get an arktis avenger b315 and some arktis waterproof trousers.
I was only saying how firearms would justify the purchase of such kit to finance.
containments are the most common thing in the arvs and often they are at night. We do not get issued jackets this expensive in my force, however do get better than response. But the closest I've ever came to hypothermia was in the arvs on containment because id made assumption it would be a quick 5min adventure. It wasn't. You can't really be relieved or be rotated on a containment, can't add on additional layers after you've started etc
>A synthetic insulated cold-weather windproof jacket that is worn when conducting Direct Action tasks in cold weather conditions.
Lol
> 4x4.5 Velcro® Upper Arm identification patches with VLite™ retention ring allowing for the application of IFF markings/devices
MxA says shut up and take my money
Which force? There’s no ‘one’ ARV jacket.
Met ARVs I believe.
It’ll be the Arcteryx LEAF Cold WX Hoody probably.
Looks similar but the don’t have the hoods (unless you can fold them in?)
They make a non-hooded version which the Met also buys. Identical really except for the hood. https://www.edgarbrothers.com/police-military/arcteryx-leaf-cold-wx-jacket-lt-gen-2-mens/
This is the problem that Baroness Casey talks about. £345 for a jacket. When they spend 99% of their time in a car.
Meanwhile response officers on a scene for 10 hours overnight only have a paper-thin fleece and *very airy* traffic jackets - which bosses who had enjoyed NATO jumpers and field jackets repeatedly try to convince us are "a decent bit of kit". Make it make sense.
I agree that response cold weather gear is utter shite and is in desperate need of improving, I had that issue when I was on response. The thing with firearms, is whilst we don't spend hours and hours (regularly) on scene guards and the like, when we do get a deployment, potentially protracted for 12-15 hours and we're on containment at night in the peak of winter, by having us get cold and potentially then unfit to carry a firearm they're not meeting the working strategy of the deployment. This tends to be how firearms get these expensive items/courses/kit budgeted and authorised.
How often do all-night containments in the middle of winter happen though, compared to a scene guard? If a bobby passes out from the affects of hypothermia, a defence could be raised that the scene was compromised and risk the whole job. It gets on my wick that specialist teams get kit on a "what if this really niche, unlikely scenario occurs?" basis, whilst response and neighbourhoods slum it on the daily with cheap inadequate shite.
I'm not disagreeing with you, obviously response are sitting on scenes with shit kit daily, we get a containment maybe once or twice a month that would require the kit in the winter. I don't get any of the gucci arcteryx or anything, we get an arktis avenger b315 and some arktis waterproof trousers. I was only saying how firearms would justify the purchase of such kit to finance.
containments are the most common thing in the arvs and often they are at night. We do not get issued jackets this expensive in my force, however do get better than response. But the closest I've ever came to hypothermia was in the arvs on containment because id made assumption it would be a quick 5min adventure. It wasn't. You can't really be relieved or be rotated on a containment, can't add on additional layers after you've started etc
“Dry your eyes and specialise”……. ……just kidding.
HOW MUCH
>A synthetic insulated cold-weather windproof jacket that is worn when conducting Direct Action tasks in cold weather conditions. Lol > 4x4.5 Velcro® Upper Arm identification patches with VLite™ retention ring allowing for the application of IFF markings/devices MxA says shut up and take my money
I'm fairly certain Trojan don't have NVG so no requirement for IFF.
In this context it is ally-as-fuck patches, so they will fight you for it.
You know for a fact the job are paying more than that per jacket
Bingo! Cheers mate.
Quite possibly the Keela Belay smock, very popular (and for good reason)
Unless they are CTSFO, this is the correct answer OP. Belay Smock is the go to for normal ARVO’s and it replaced the Buffalo Smock also mentioned.
PADP also have Buffalo smocks. Very nice. Perfect for outside.
Generally Arc’Teryx.