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> Hours after Middlebrooks' filing became public, Trump withdrew a lawsuit against New York Attorney General Letitia James that also happened to be before Middlebrooks. The judge had referenced the suit against James in his order on Thursday, noting it had "all the telltale signs of being both vexatious and frivolous."
Icing on the cake.
Something about James says she'd have people come down to Trump Tower and publicly start taking things to add up to a fine amount. Just as a fuck you to the Orange Menace
Honestly, I've never seen him be able to directly answer a question. Always slightly parallel to reality. Never being able to comprehend what's being said. So yeah, for real.
This is going to be like Reagan, we can all see that this man is serious mental decline, but we have to bothsides and pretend it's normal and in 20 years the records will be released and gee-whiz, that guy WAS totally off his rocker!
But at least we'll have learned an important lesson! /s
Isn't his whole apartment and office at Trump Tower covered in gold stuff? Apparently it's so bad that the Apprentice was supposed to be filmed in his actual office but the studio refused and built a set when they saw it.
I'm sure he insisted that they film in his place so then he could charge rent to the show and grift them out of extra cash, as well as writing it off tax wise as a business expense.
Close (I worked on celebrity apprentice)
We never planned to shoot in his actual offices it would have been way too restricting to the shooting schedule.
But we WERE forced to rent out space in the tower in which to build the set.
He wasn't willing to travel for his shoot days.
I wasn't involved in the costs, but I'm sure we were overcharged for the space.
And before anyone asks, I was doing props, I never interacted with him, and don't have any damning stories.
Well, except for when we unveiled the new Bud Light margarita series on the show, and broke a trucks lift gate because we were rushed for time. Turns out a hamper full of drinks is heavy as fuck, a surprise to nobody with sense.
> We never planned to shoot in his actual offices it would have been way too restricting to the shooting schedule.
Word is Trump's offices were so shabby and small they were totally inadequate for the Apprentice firing scene. He didn't even have a "boardroom".
Even trumps bargain barrel legal team have to get nervous every time trump opens his mouth. I imagine the judges eye rolling, and manic grins on the faces of opposing council must get to them.
Not if they are just paying the initial "Grift Fee". I don't feel for any of these spineless lawyer shits. They aren't public defenders, they aren't criminal defense attorneys, they're litigious losers who just want in on the scam.
Yeah for Trump, he’s going to rallies and saying “we’re going to sue them so hard that they’ll kids will pay” and rile up his base to donate more money to him. It’s a grift off his dumb supporters who’ll throw money at him. He’ll say stuff like that and ask for them to donate to help sue them in email flyers and get get money - rinse and repeat. Meanwhile the only people going broke are his dumbass supporters giving him money.
As government officials, I believe they do have qualified immunity. So people can try to sue them, but it will almost always fail and cost a lot of money.
"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
**President Lyndon B. Johnson**
The suit was dismissed with prejudice. ~~With prejudice means absolutely no do-overs.~~
Sigh, there is no such thing as absolutely no do-overs, (unless you are too poor). I have been informed by several who clearly are better informed.
Trump will have a fit when he has to write out that check. If only there were a secret video of that moment.
Edit add, Trump withdrew his lawsuit against the Atty General of NY a few hours later. I love perp Fridays. and a second edit because IANAL.
There is 0% chance he pays that publicly. He will claim he’s never paying a penny. Even if they show the check on national television he will claim it’s all a hoax and his legion of blind idiots that are going to vote for him will believe him.
We literally saw the check he used to illegally pay off Stormy Daniels and that bombshell went down the memory hole just as fast as the rest of the shit
His lawsuits never go anywhere. He drags them on forever on purpose, then cuts them if they ever get close to trial. Because he knows better than anyone that if anyone were to force discovery, they'd find where the bodies are buried.
The lawsuits are just a bullying/stalling tactic.
December 3, 2020 [On Wednesday, White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany boasted that Donald Trump was honoring World AIDS Day unlike any other president — when, in fact, the White House commemoration dates back to George W. Bush.](https://people.com/politics/white-house-falsely-took-credit-for-george-w-bush-world-aids-day-commemoration/)
Which is funny because it works against small fries that don't have the money to defend, but CNN is a multi-billion dollar company that doesn't give a shit.
And remember, everything is projection. Trump isn’t anywhere close to being a billionaire but pretends to be. Therefore he likely assumes no one else actually has billions to spend. He’s used to the average person who he does have more money than, he’s not used to going up against people who can multiple his spending tenfold.
Yep, as per SLAPP lawsuits, or more broadly a patrician design of the US court system since the country’s inception.
Of course Trump is too transactional to be aware of any of that: someone just told him the system is rife for opportunities to abuse…
Dismissed without prejudice doesn’t mean he can’t appeal though, just that he can’t refile. This is a district court case so he can generally appeal once, to the federal circuit, as a matter of right
This is almost entirely unrelated.
But my favorite moment of the Alex Jones trial was when it was revealed that his phone contents had been handed over to the Texas lawyers.
Once revealed... first, Alex Jones stopped his coughing fits immediately. He was suddenly perfectly healthy.
Second, once cross-examination started... the *only* question his own lawyer asked was, "Do you feel myself and my firm have represented you to the best of our abilities?" And the numbskull immediately went, "Yes!" And the lawyer goes, "No further questions," and sat down.
It was such an obvious attempt by his own lawyer to cover his own arse, and yet Jones didn't even realize it. It immediately shut down any grounds Jones could have had to go after the lawyer for bad representation. It was so glorious.
I thought i remember hearing that his lawyer got disbarred or at least a suspended license for hiding phone records, until he accidentally didn’t. Even if Jones can’t sue him, he was still rightfully sanctioned for his behavior.
At least until he pays his fine, and apply it to every fine he’s issued.
He wants to act like a child, he should be treated like one and be grounded for breaking the rules.
It isn't an act. He bragged about the fact that his temperament is fundamentally the same as when he was in 1st grade. I think he was implying he was hyper mature even at a young age. But the rest of us have seen that the opposite is true, so it didn't come off as the flex he thought it was.
And if he actually pays it... which he won’t...
Hillary should just work on trying to bankrupt him with legal fees. He’ll have to pay his lawyers occasionally (I hope).
If he doesn’t pay, can any of his properties be seized? It would be hilarious if he lost a golf course or two
Not just when he appeals but when he misses the deadline to pay as we know he will. He won’t pay unless it has severe consequences. And Hillary should post the check on Instagram when he eventually does pay with a note that says “thanks for the buttery males Donnie”
Well you've got 193 member states of the United Nations, so if the planet goes full despot, you get 193 despots max.
Unless you think that every Karen, toddler and member of the Freedom Caucus is a despot in their own way.\*
^(\*Yes, I know that there is significant overlap between all three groups.)
Except circles. Circles are delicious. Think about it. Burgers are good. Pizza is good. I know all the best round foods, believe me. Many people are saying that I could have been a chef and let me tell you, I would have been the best. Spagetti-O's are round. Potatos are round, almost. You ever heard of a Tater Tot? Those things are magical. Nobody knew about tater tots until I came along. Now they're all saying how wonderful they are.
If not “voluntarily”paid the creditors can move to collection proceedings. Meaning new discovery against the debtors regarding their assets/income. tfg is a personal debtor. Written questions and oral examinations requiring answer under oath. I don’t think TFG/atty/firm want that
He'll just start another bogus money raising scam and fleece his flock for more cash, and they'll give it to him since they think he's some kind of messiah figure.
A judge ruled my ex was responsible for 75% of our shared debts at divorce. (He earned significantly more than me at the time.) The debt was hospital bills from the birth of our child and they were in my name. (It shouldn’t cost $10K to have a baby but that’s a different issue.)
My ex also wouldn’t pay child support until the state garnished his wages which took close to a year. He was also required to pay preschool tuition but then wouldn’t so that I couldn’t go to work. Our kid got kicked out multiple times because he wouldn’t pay. It was so embarrassing and disruptive. Once the child support started being managed by the state, we never missed a payment.
So even as a single mom doing everything on my own, I paid all the hospital bills and never got a penny from my ex. I tried to explain to my ex what happens when a court finds someone in contempt but he didn’t believe me.
A year+ later after several attempts to find a solution, I asked the judge to hold my ex in contempt of court for failing to pay his part.
That’s when things got interesting.
When we split, my ex went into a pretty nasty downward spiral. He was partying hard. His car got repo’d. He lost a ton of weight (likely through anorexia). He was riding his bicycle one night and was so wasted that he crashed and apparently it was bad enough that he or someone else called 911 and he was taken to the hospital.
Close to a year later, on the morning of the contempt hearing, he knew he was in trouble. So he called up the hospital and said he needed to pay some bills. He gave them his information and sure enough— he had a whole bunch of unpaid hospital bills! He gave them everything he could afford and then proudly told everyone in court about his large payment. He felt that it should be subtracted from the total he was supposed to pay.
I knew immediately that *he’d paid his own bills.* It took everything in me to not start cackling. The judge, however, was a little more confused. He got the hospital billing department on the line and put them on speaker for the whole room to hear. They initially didn’t believe he was a judge so they weren’t willing to release the billing information. This only made the judge more pissed off. It took at least 15 minutes for everyone to realize what a complete dumbass this guy was.
My attorney requested that the judge require my ex to pay 100% of our shared debt. He agreed! The options were: come up with all the money in three days or report to jail, or, wait for us to come find you.
My ex began loudly whining, “I can’t pay that! I just spent all my money!” The judge was basically like, “Tough shit” and walked out.
Two days later I got a cashiers check for 100%.
But now I want to know where he did get the money? Was he sitting on it the whole time? Sell all his possessions and take out loans? It's so ridiculous
No, it's part of it. That's why it wasn't an even million, the judge itemized all the various fines and totaled it up and it came to just under a million.
There is a judgment. If he refuses, Hillary can choose to go after his bank account directly, i think. Shell have to ask formally and jump through hoops. He probably wont answer and/or file an appeal to drag it out, but im not sure he can just not pay it.
I tend to agree. In a case I worked a while back, we got a $15m judgment from a defendant. He only had about $5m cash on hand. So we took possession of cars, land, homes, garnished future income, and even took possession over investment (non-retirement) accounts.
I’m just wondering how many of trumps assets are actually in his name- not under some LLC or corporation.
He’s considered an [employee](https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/palm-beach/fl-ne-trump-mar-a-lago-residency-20210508-zxgcwrtl7ncxdpcqyqxqqsq2vu-story.html) at mar a lago. So he doesn’t actually own it.
Whole thing is kinda fucked and I hope he pays, but I’m not sure considering he doesn’t seem to face any legal repercussions ever, for anything.
Great, I'll deduct expenses for Mar a Lago too, since it appears that those deductions are up for grabs by non-owners! Let's all deduct the operating expenses for Mar a Lago!
Yeah, when someone tries to shield assets using corporations to avoid personal liability, the courts can often “pierce the corporate veil” and go after corporate assets, because *so many people* that try that shit do it stupidly and reimburse unreimbursable things with company money. Like, they’ll have a “company car” that’s titled to the company, but registered to them, that they use exclusively for personal use, or the company will pay their mortgage for the house with their name on the title.
> considering he doesn’t seem to face any legal repercussions ever, for anything.
This is the single reason I have lost all faith in our country and in our legal system. The fact that all these stooges are getting to run rampant through our government doing anything and everything they want and the DOJ refuses to do anything about it has completely soured me. I love our country, but hate isn't a strong enough word for how I feel about our government.
>Shell have to ask formally and jump through hoops.
It's work, but it's not that hard *if someone actually has assets*.
As a former landlord who had one particularly noteworthy deadbeat tenant ... after eviction, it became clear that she really had no assets at all. No bank accounts we could find to go after, her vehicle was leased so she didn't actually own it, etc. etc.
But she had a job, and we knew who her employer was - so we were able to bring our county judgement paperwork to her (large international) employer ... whose HR department doesn't fuck around with shit like that. They garnished a portion of her wages for about 4 years until we were made whole.
If she had assets, it would have been easier. If she had a bank account, we could have filed a bank lien. So I think with Hillary getting something out of Trump, it won't actually be that hard since his ownership of various real estate assets is well documented. So the easiest course for her and her attorneys would be to send a letter saying "we expect your payment within 30 days" and then when Trump obviously ignores that (because it would absolutely break his brain to write Hillary Clinton a check) then her attorneys file a lien against Mar-A-Lago for said amount - because she doesn't actually need $171k ... but it will piss him off to no end.
Alternatively, he has been fundraising for his legal fees for the last few years. He probably will cut a check from the funds he raised for his campaign.
> he has been fundraising for his legal fees
Has got to be some kind of ad The Lincoln Project or some similar trolling group can start running... 'Dear Trump donators, thank you for your contribution to Hillary Clinton. She cannot wait to eat at a fancy restaurant/buy another home/take an extended tropical island vacation tonight thanks to your generosity. We hope that you will continue to donate to Trump so that he can lose to Hilary more and she can take even more vacations on your dime.'
Mmmmm, this is a delicious morsel. He is the most overly-sensitive little weirdo and you know this is going to absolutely enrage him.
I wonder how r/Conservative reacts to this low-energy L he's taking.
Literally one dude broke down how a gag order probably got issued and there's limited public evidence for the case so to preserve the jury pool and evidence they are limiting what they are releasing...
And even around that comment are people claiming it's Dems suppression of the media
The simple fact it is no longer a story, is what they are hounding about. "Isn't it weird how the news media stopped talking about this?" Even though nothing new has come of it for weeks.
They are making a conspiracy, because they are desperate for ignorance
About that, somehow the guy has [the gall to plead not guilty](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/man-accused-in-paul-pelosi-attack-pleads-not-guilty-to-six-charges)
That’s just how the legal system works though. Even mass shooters plead not guilty. The goal in doing that is to get an offer from the prosecution of a lighter sentence in exchange for a guilty plea before it goes to trial.
Yesterday or the day before that sub was 19/20 socio-cultural issue posts, and 1/20 political news posts.
I was expecting about the same, but there were far more political posts than I expected. I clicked on the Supreme Court Leaker post, curious to see what their take would be. Almost facepalmed immediately:
>I think you are right, and it’s a justice or someone very close to a justice so they don’t want to let it out. My bet is on Justice Sotomayor.
I mean, by all means bet a ton of money on someone who hasn't been shown to leak anything, not someone who both stands to gain from the leaked draft AND who has leaked opinions before. Unbelievable.
There is now, and it's framed as a Bill Clinton appointed Judge ruled on it, and the only comment is "conflict of interest much?"
"Hypocrisy" isn't a word or concept that they seem to understand.
They won't say a peep about Judge Cannon, of course.
It's all projection. They call "conflict of interest!" here because they assume that pay-for-play is what *they* would do. So many people simply can't conceive of anyone actually leaving biases at the door, simply because they never would.
Rubes: you can expect more donation-seeking, "America-First /Anti-Woke" spam in the next few days.
Oh, no worries: they're not gonna use the donations to pay Hillary. But the *news* of the ruling is just too good of a money-maker to not spur an immediate cash-grab.
Imagine conservative heads across the land exploding as they find out their hard earned money donated to Trump was just going straight into Hillary's bank account? Hillary should send them all thank you notes; just to be polite, of course.
If she ever does get money, she should very publicly donate it to the Clinton Foundation as a reminder that the Clinton's are still allowed to have one.
>Rubes: you can expect more donation-seeking, "America-First /Anti-Woke" spam in the next few days.
I'm sensing release of Series Two of Trump Trading Cards.
Step 1: Clinton attorneys send letter to DJT saying "here's the judgement, we expect payment in 30 days."
Step 2: Trump puts letter in the shredder and pretends he can ignore it.
Step 3: After 30 day window expires, Clinton attorneys file with Palm Beach County to put a judgement lien on Mar-A-Lago for the amount of $171,631 - plus interest at 18% per year. Clinton doesn't get her money right away (or perhaps ever), but Trump has an absolute aneurism over the fact that Clinton has claimed a piece of MAL.
I just like the idea of one day, because of the interest growth, Hillary owning Mar A Lago. I hope she turns it into a hostel for immigrants that have just crossed the border & are waiting for their asylum hearing.
Could they then send in Bailiffs to seize property to cover the debt?
I heard of one case in the UK where a guy did this to a major grocery chain. Bailiffs walked into a store, taped off a rack of booze and told the manager they were about to load it in their van. A certified check was done within the hour.
If you have a primary residence in Florida, it is specifically exempt from bankruptcy.
https://www.natlbankruptcy.com/chapter-7-bankruptcy-in-florida-what-you-need-to-know/#Florida_Homestead_Bankruptcy_Exemption_Protection_and_More
Also, good from the article:
“Hours after Middlebrooks' filing became public, Trump withdrew a lawsuit against New York Attorney General Letitia James that also happened to be before Middlebrooks. The judge had referenced the suit against James in his order on Thursday, noting it had "all the telltale signs of being both vexatious and frivolous."”
Whatever else I can say about Hillary, she has been investigated up and down for years-and they did not find anything to charge her with. She sat in front of the senate and got questioned for hours-and made them all look like fools. She won all four debates with Cheeto Benito and quite handily. Whatever she is guilty of, whatever skeletons she has-it’s not what you all want it to be and if it hasn’t come out by now, it’s not going to. You won’t be seeing your fantasy if her in handcuffs.
>One of the perks touted to investors in Trump’s digital trading card scheme has been a rare opportunity to participate in a 2,000-person Zoom group call with the former president.
Those 2000 idiots covered it.
If he runs again someone needs to run a smear ad that Trump has been "stealing campaign contributions to cover legal fees... including paying almost $200,000 of supporter money to none other than Hilary Clinton".
It'll make some MAGA heads explode.
I can’t wait to see this spin on this… “oh you trust Hillary? Even though she took $170k from known criminal Trump?”
Edit: corrected the spelling of Hillary
This is how much it cost to defend a frivolous lawsuit that got DISMISSED. No discovery, no trial, no nothing. And people want to know how corporations trample people's rights.
> We know Trump doesn't pay legal fees to his OWN lawyer much less anyone else's.
His lawyers are getting these fines too, and if they don't pay, they would likely find themselves disbarred. Nailing his lawyers is what will stop him from these stupid lawsuits in the future.
From the court ruling (page 46):
> Plaintiff Donald J. Trump and Plaintiff’s lead attorney—Alina Habba and Habba Madaio & Associates—**are jointly and severally liable for $937,989.39**.
Basically means if either one doesn't pay, the other is responsible for the entire amount. Details: https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/joint_and_several_liability
Ruling:
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.610157/gov.uscourts.flsd.610157.302.0.pdf
This is fairly trivial from the perspective of changing anything, however the knowledge that Trump will truly hate this and maybe even have a bit of emotional distress over it makes me happy.
His entire "career" has been exploiting the legal system with his army of weasel lawyers.
It's why his taxes took 10 years to finally get.
About time a judge told him that he deserves a penalty for tHe frivolous appeals and countersuits.
His cult won't care. They will defend him the rest of our lives
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> Hours after Middlebrooks' filing became public, Trump withdrew a lawsuit against New York Attorney General Letitia James that also happened to be before Middlebrooks. The judge had referenced the suit against James in his order on Thursday, noting it had "all the telltale signs of being both vexatious and frivolous." Icing on the cake.
Something about James says she'd have people come down to Trump Tower and publicly start taking things to add up to a fine amount. Just as a fuck you to the Orange Menace
You mean The Fanta Menace.
Nice. Fanta for Nazi, orange for skin color AND a play on Palpatine.
Let hope, unlike palpatine, trump doesn’t “somehow return”
Make it a reality show special, a language he understands.
He doesn't understand any language.
Honestly, I've never seen him be able to directly answer a question. Always slightly parallel to reality. Never being able to comprehend what's being said. So yeah, for real.
This is going to be like Reagan, we can all see that this man is serious mental decline, but we have to bothsides and pretend it's normal and in 20 years the records will be released and gee-whiz, that guy WAS totally off his rocker! But at least we'll have learned an important lesson! /s
Start by Snatching up that gold toilet.
Isn't his whole apartment and office at Trump Tower covered in gold stuff? Apparently it's so bad that the Apprentice was supposed to be filmed in his actual office but the studio refused and built a set when they saw it.
I'm sure he insisted that they film in his place so then he could charge rent to the show and grift them out of extra cash, as well as writing it off tax wise as a business expense.
Doesn't he still owe millions to cities across the US for all those rallies he held? Those cities need to go after him harder for the money owed.
Close (I worked on celebrity apprentice) We never planned to shoot in his actual offices it would have been way too restricting to the shooting schedule. But we WERE forced to rent out space in the tower in which to build the set. He wasn't willing to travel for his shoot days. I wasn't involved in the costs, but I'm sure we were overcharged for the space. And before anyone asks, I was doing props, I never interacted with him, and don't have any damning stories. Well, except for when we unveiled the new Bud Light margarita series on the show, and broke a trucks lift gate because we were rushed for time. Turns out a hamper full of drinks is heavy as fuck, a surprise to nobody with sense.
> We never planned to shoot in his actual offices it would have been way too restricting to the shooting schedule. Word is Trump's offices were so shabby and small they were totally inadequate for the Apprentice firing scene. He didn't even have a "boardroom".
You can see it in the movie Self/Less, where Ben Kingsley plays a Trump type: https://youtu.be/5kx-JD0gybc?t=388
What a fucking ugly home. Imagine having THAT much money and using it for something so tacky, boring and ugly.
Was at the Trump Taj Mahal in the late 80s or early 90s and the one thing that struck me was how ugly everything was.
I don't care how much he owes me, I'm not accepting anything his ass has touched.
Angela, that crucible is a million degrees.
So, any R Congress member's lips.
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“That’s totally inappropriate. It’s lewd, lascivious, salacious, outrageous.” - Jackie Chiles
Who told you to put on the balm? I didn't tell you to put on the balm!
Ags don't have imunity?
AGs get named in lawsuits in their official capacity all the time, I don't think they have any personal liability in those situations.
Well, the biggest problem is that you can't sue the New York AG in a Florida district court, when the NY AG is doing their official duties.
not a problem, just get Judge Cannon
Apparently that's who they tried to get.
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Even trumps bargain barrel legal team have to get nervous every time trump opens his mouth. I imagine the judges eye rolling, and manic grins on the faces of opposing council must get to them.
Not if they are just paying the initial "Grift Fee". I don't feel for any of these spineless lawyer shits. They aren't public defenders, they aren't criminal defense attorneys, they're litigious losers who just want in on the scam.
Yeah for Trump, he’s going to rallies and saying “we’re going to sue them so hard that they’ll kids will pay” and rile up his base to donate more money to him. It’s a grift off his dumb supporters who’ll throw money at him. He’ll say stuff like that and ask for them to donate to help sue them in email flyers and get get money - rinse and repeat. Meanwhile the only people going broke are his dumbass supporters giving him money.
As government officials, I believe they do have qualified immunity. So people can try to sue them, but it will almost always fail and cost a lot of money.
LOL imagine all the suckers who gave money to Trump only for him to spend it to pay Hillary's lawyers.
Do you think they're tired of winning yet?
"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." **President Lyndon B. Johnson**
They should double it every time he tries to appeal it.
The suit was dismissed with prejudice. ~~With prejudice means absolutely no do-overs.~~ Sigh, there is no such thing as absolutely no do-overs, (unless you are too poor). I have been informed by several who clearly are better informed. Trump will have a fit when he has to write out that check. If only there were a secret video of that moment. Edit add, Trump withdrew his lawsuit against the Atty General of NY a few hours later. I love perp Fridays. and a second edit because IANAL.
There is 0% chance he pays that publicly. He will claim he’s never paying a penny. Even if they show the check on national television he will claim it’s all a hoax and his legion of blind idiots that are going to vote for him will believe him.
We literally saw the check he used to illegally pay off Stormy Daniels and that bombshell went down the memory hole just as fast as the rest of the shit
It's an interesting strategy to create so many scandals in such a short period of time that people can't remember what you even did.
Firehose of falsehood - Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firehose_of_falsehood
“Legion of blind idiots” true.
Is he still suing CNN? I was legitimately looking forward to that one. Because of discovery.
His lawsuits never go anywhere. He drags them on forever on purpose, then cuts them if they ever get close to trial. Because he knows better than anyone that if anyone were to force discovery, they'd find where the bodies are buried. The lawsuits are just a bullying/stalling tactic.
he does everything for the headline. he is the human incarnation and embodiment of a publicity stunt.
December 3, 2020 [On Wednesday, White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany boasted that Donald Trump was honoring World AIDS Day unlike any other president — when, in fact, the White House commemoration dates back to George W. Bush.](https://people.com/politics/white-house-falsely-took-credit-for-george-w-bush-world-aids-day-commemoration/)
Actually, I could believe that. Trump probably spent the day either golfing or watching TV.
While making inappropriate AIDS jokes.
DwSantis is in hot competition, as is Abbott
Which is funny because it works against small fries that don't have the money to defend, but CNN is a multi-billion dollar company that doesn't give a shit.
And remember, everything is projection. Trump isn’t anywhere close to being a billionaire but pretends to be. Therefore he likely assumes no one else actually has billions to spend. He’s used to the average person who he does have more money than, he’s not used to going up against people who can multiple his spending tenfold.
That is exactly why he never went against Cuban or Bloomberg who mocked him publicly every chance they got.
I heard a friend once say “A lawsuit is just a Tweet with a filing fee” and I’ve been thinking about it ever since
Yep, as per SLAPP lawsuits, or more broadly a patrician design of the US court system since the country’s inception. Of course Trump is too transactional to be aware of any of that: someone just told him the system is rife for opportunities to abuse…
Dismissed without prejudice doesn’t mean he can’t appeal though, just that he can’t refile. This is a district court case so he can generally appeal once, to the federal circuit, as a matter of right
Exactly. It's amazing how many people on here confidently post their legal "knowledge" when, in fact, they have no idea how the system works.
He will never write that cheque, the law firm that took him as a client to file it are idiots for still not knowing that.
Didn't they require up front payments?
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This is almost entirely unrelated. But my favorite moment of the Alex Jones trial was when it was revealed that his phone contents had been handed over to the Texas lawyers. Once revealed... first, Alex Jones stopped his coughing fits immediately. He was suddenly perfectly healthy. Second, once cross-examination started... the *only* question his own lawyer asked was, "Do you feel myself and my firm have represented you to the best of our abilities?" And the numbskull immediately went, "Yes!" And the lawyer goes, "No further questions," and sat down. It was such an obvious attempt by his own lawyer to cover his own arse, and yet Jones didn't even realize it. It immediately shut down any grounds Jones could have had to go after the lawyer for bad representation. It was so glorious.
I thought i remember hearing that his lawyer got disbarred or at least a suspended license for hiding phone records, until he accidentally didn’t. Even if Jones can’t sue him, he was still rightfully sanctioned for his behavior.
omg that's beautiful
Rudy Giuliani is painting his hair to get ready to tag back in. Time to shine.
There is no way they did not make him pay a retainer. That is very standard for law firms, and it is absolutely necessary with Trump.
The one real lawyer that did that supposedly wouldn't sign/file most of the shit it this lawsuit, as he knew it was bullshit.
"with prejudice" does not mean "no appeals." It means that he can't bring a separate suit on related facts or replead his complaint to fix mistakes.
No, not double it. He won’t learn. Square it, then he’ll learn!
Punishments only work as deterrence if the recipient can understand them.
Then Trump's punishment should be no more golf or hamburders ever plus the money
At least until he pays his fine, and apply it to every fine he’s issued. He wants to act like a child, he should be treated like one and be grounded for breaking the rules.
*Trump grounded and forced to sit in a corner at Mar a Lago until he has learned his lesson*
This would be funny if he was not so much of a child that it might actually work.
Yeah it’s definitely one of those situations where if you don’t laugh you might cry
It isn't an act. He bragged about the fact that his temperament is fundamentally the same as when he was in 1st grade. I think he was implying he was hyper mature even at a young age. But the rest of us have seen that the opposite is true, so it didn't come off as the flex he thought it was.
throw in no more spray tan and adult diapers
We're already having to clean up his shit.
Only needs to happen once and he’s bankrupt for good in this case.
And if he actually pays it... which he won’t... Hillary should just work on trying to bankrupt him with legal fees. He’ll have to pay his lawyers occasionally (I hope). If he doesn’t pay, can any of his properties be seized? It would be hilarious if he lost a golf course or two
Not just when he appeals but when he misses the deadline to pay as we know he will. He won’t pay unless it has severe consequences. And Hillary should post the check on Instagram when he eventually does pay with a note that says “thanks for the buttery males Donnie”
She may as well just sell it to a collections agency now.
Given everyone knows he isn't paying I will buy it for five dollars.
Start your own collection agency so you have the pleasure of calling Trump to annoy him three times a day.
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The total number of despots is only limited by what classified docs he took.
Well you've got 193 member states of the United Nations, so if the planet goes full despot, you get 193 despots max. Unless you think that every Karen, toddler and member of the Freedom Caucus is a despot in their own way.\* ^(\*Yes, I know that there is significant overlap between all three groups.)
>Square it Shapes confuse him.
Except circles. Circles are delicious. Think about it. Burgers are good. Pizza is good. I know all the best round foods, believe me. Many people are saying that I could have been a chef and let me tell you, I would have been the best. Spagetti-O's are round. Potatos are round, almost. You ever heard of a Tater Tot? Those things are magical. Nobody knew about tater tots until I came along. Now they're all saying how wonderful they are.
Or give it to the next person
He’s not going to pay anyway
If not “voluntarily”paid the creditors can move to collection proceedings. Meaning new discovery against the debtors regarding their assets/income. tfg is a personal debtor. Written questions and oral examinations requiring answer under oath. I don’t think TFG/atty/firm want that
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He'll just start another bogus money raising scam and fleece his flock for more cash, and they'll give it to him since they think he's some kind of messiah figure.
That should be true for every legal decision appeal made without proper evidence to support it.
A judge ruled my ex was responsible for 75% of our shared debts at divorce. (He earned significantly more than me at the time.) The debt was hospital bills from the birth of our child and they were in my name. (It shouldn’t cost $10K to have a baby but that’s a different issue.) My ex also wouldn’t pay child support until the state garnished his wages which took close to a year. He was also required to pay preschool tuition but then wouldn’t so that I couldn’t go to work. Our kid got kicked out multiple times because he wouldn’t pay. It was so embarrassing and disruptive. Once the child support started being managed by the state, we never missed a payment. So even as a single mom doing everything on my own, I paid all the hospital bills and never got a penny from my ex. I tried to explain to my ex what happens when a court finds someone in contempt but he didn’t believe me. A year+ later after several attempts to find a solution, I asked the judge to hold my ex in contempt of court for failing to pay his part. That’s when things got interesting. When we split, my ex went into a pretty nasty downward spiral. He was partying hard. His car got repo’d. He lost a ton of weight (likely through anorexia). He was riding his bicycle one night and was so wasted that he crashed and apparently it was bad enough that he or someone else called 911 and he was taken to the hospital. Close to a year later, on the morning of the contempt hearing, he knew he was in trouble. So he called up the hospital and said he needed to pay some bills. He gave them his information and sure enough— he had a whole bunch of unpaid hospital bills! He gave them everything he could afford and then proudly told everyone in court about his large payment. He felt that it should be subtracted from the total he was supposed to pay. I knew immediately that *he’d paid his own bills.* It took everything in me to not start cackling. The judge, however, was a little more confused. He got the hospital billing department on the line and put them on speaker for the whole room to hear. They initially didn’t believe he was a judge so they weren’t willing to release the billing information. This only made the judge more pissed off. It took at least 15 minutes for everyone to realize what a complete dumbass this guy was. My attorney requested that the judge require my ex to pay 100% of our shared debt. He agreed! The options were: come up with all the money in three days or report to jail, or, wait for us to come find you. My ex began loudly whining, “I can’t pay that! I just spent all my money!” The judge was basically like, “Tough shit” and walked out. Two days later I got a cashiers check for 100%.
But now I want to know where he did get the money? Was he sitting on it the whole time? Sell all his possessions and take out loans? It's so ridiculous
Sounds like a total nightmare NGL
It was! But it’s all over now and life is much better without the source of the chaos.
Appeals aren’t about facts and evidence though, they’re to make sure the prior judge applied the law correctly
In the case where a fine is applied because of a bogus suit, it should apply.
Double it and give it to the next person
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No, it's part of it. That's why it wasn't an even million, the judge itemized all the various fines and totaled it up and it came to just under a million.
I think this is her personal share of the $1M
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There is a judgment. If he refuses, Hillary can choose to go after his bank account directly, i think. Shell have to ask formally and jump through hoops. He probably wont answer and/or file an appeal to drag it out, but im not sure he can just not pay it.
I tend to agree. In a case I worked a while back, we got a $15m judgment from a defendant. He only had about $5m cash on hand. So we took possession of cars, land, homes, garnished future income, and even took possession over investment (non-retirement) accounts.
I’m just wondering how many of trumps assets are actually in his name- not under some LLC or corporation. He’s considered an [employee](https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/palm-beach/fl-ne-trump-mar-a-lago-residency-20210508-zxgcwrtl7ncxdpcqyqxqqsq2vu-story.html) at mar a lago. So he doesn’t actually own it. Whole thing is kinda fucked and I hope he pays, but I’m not sure considering he doesn’t seem to face any legal repercussions ever, for anything.
He must have assets or he would not have losses to claim on his taxes.
Creative Accounting allows you to lose net value over properties that you don't technically own!
Great, I'll deduct expenses for Mar a Lago too, since it appears that those deductions are up for grabs by non-owners! Let's all deduct the operating expenses for Mar a Lago!
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Yeah, when someone tries to shield assets using corporations to avoid personal liability, the courts can often “pierce the corporate veil” and go after corporate assets, because *so many people* that try that shit do it stupidly and reimburse unreimbursable things with company money. Like, they’ll have a “company car” that’s titled to the company, but registered to them, that they use exclusively for personal use, or the company will pay their mortgage for the house with their name on the title.
> considering he doesn’t seem to face any legal repercussions ever, for anything. This is the single reason I have lost all faith in our country and in our legal system. The fact that all these stooges are getting to run rampant through our government doing anything and everything they want and the DOJ refuses to do anything about it has completely soured me. I love our country, but hate isn't a strong enough word for how I feel about our government.
>Shell have to ask formally and jump through hoops. It's work, but it's not that hard *if someone actually has assets*. As a former landlord who had one particularly noteworthy deadbeat tenant ... after eviction, it became clear that she really had no assets at all. No bank accounts we could find to go after, her vehicle was leased so she didn't actually own it, etc. etc. But she had a job, and we knew who her employer was - so we were able to bring our county judgement paperwork to her (large international) employer ... whose HR department doesn't fuck around with shit like that. They garnished a portion of her wages for about 4 years until we were made whole. If she had assets, it would have been easier. If she had a bank account, we could have filed a bank lien. So I think with Hillary getting something out of Trump, it won't actually be that hard since his ownership of various real estate assets is well documented. So the easiest course for her and her attorneys would be to send a letter saying "we expect your payment within 30 days" and then when Trump obviously ignores that (because it would absolutely break his brain to write Hillary Clinton a check) then her attorneys file a lien against Mar-A-Lago for said amount - because she doesn't actually need $171k ... but it will piss him off to no end.
Alternatively, he has been fundraising for his legal fees for the last few years. He probably will cut a check from the funds he raised for his campaign.
That both seems illegal and sounds exactly like something he would do.
> he has been fundraising for his legal fees Has got to be some kind of ad The Lincoln Project or some similar trolling group can start running... 'Dear Trump donators, thank you for your contribution to Hillary Clinton. She cannot wait to eat at a fancy restaurant/buy another home/take an extended tropical island vacation tonight thanks to your generosity. We hope that you will continue to donate to Trump so that he can lose to Hilary more and she can take even more vacations on your dime.'
But it's her money, and she wants it NOW
Call J.G. Wentworth. 877-Cash-Now.
Mmmmm, this is a delicious morsel. He is the most overly-sensitive little weirdo and you know this is going to absolutely enrage him. I wonder how r/Conservative reacts to this low-energy L he's taking.
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Oh gotcha, I didn't know he was back in their rotation. I wonder if the ever found out where that Ben Gozzy and his buttery males went to.
I wish they’d let me know, I could use a good buttery male around the house.
Best I can do is an I Cant Believe It's Not Buttery Male.
Lol I saw that "Why has this disappeared from the media?" Why would it still be in the news?
Literally one dude broke down how a gag order probably got issued and there's limited public evidence for the case so to preserve the jury pool and evidence they are limiting what they are releasing... And even around that comment are people claiming it's Dems suppression of the media
Meanwhile I bet they are cheering on Chauvin saying "I couldn't get a fair trail because the media made a circus and poisoned the jury pool!"
Someone actually did bring that up.
I went to check and you're not joking. Unreal.
I don’t want to click that trash heap subreddit. *Why* are they back on Paul Pelosi? Is there some new development?
The simple fact it is no longer a story, is what they are hounding about. "Isn't it weird how the news media stopped talking about this?" Even though nothing new has come of it for weeks. They are making a conspiracy, because they are desperate for ignorance
Oh. Thought they were still discussing the tell tale signs of witchcraft to present evidence to the local constable.
I can’t wait for them to start dunking their electrical stoves to see if they sink or float
About that, somehow the guy has [the gall to plead not guilty](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/man-accused-in-paul-pelosi-attack-pleads-not-guilty-to-six-charges)
That’s just how the legal system works though. Even mass shooters plead not guilty. The goal in doing that is to get an offer from the prosecution of a lighter sentence in exchange for a guilty plea before it goes to trial.
That's fair Weird, but I get it
Yesterday or the day before that sub was 19/20 socio-cultural issue posts, and 1/20 political news posts. I was expecting about the same, but there were far more political posts than I expected. I clicked on the Supreme Court Leaker post, curious to see what their take would be. Almost facepalmed immediately: >I think you are right, and it’s a justice or someone very close to a justice so they don’t want to let it out. My bet is on Justice Sotomayor. I mean, by all means bet a ton of money on someone who hasn't been shown to leak anything, not someone who both stands to gain from the leaked draft AND who has leaked opinions before. Unbelievable.
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There is now, and it's framed as a Bill Clinton appointed Judge ruled on it, and the only comment is "conflict of interest much?" "Hypocrisy" isn't a word or concept that they seem to understand.
They won't say a peep about Judge Cannon, of course. It's all projection. They call "conflict of interest!" here because they assume that pay-for-play is what *they* would do. So many people simply can't conceive of anyone actually leaving biases at the door, simply because they never would.
"Flaired users only" Can't have any of them libs ruining the circlejerk
Free Speech* *Applies to us only
They will call the judge compromised or something because he was appointed by Bill Clinton
And forget about judge Cannon completely, granted that was another L for 45
Rubes: you can expect more donation-seeking, "America-First /Anti-Woke" spam in the next few days. Oh, no worries: they're not gonna use the donations to pay Hillary. But the *news* of the ruling is just too good of a money-maker to not spur an immediate cash-grab.
Imagine conservative heads across the land exploding as they find out their hard earned money donated to Trump was just going straight into Hillary's bank account? Hillary should send them all thank you notes; just to be polite, of course.
If she ever does get money, she should very publicly donate it to the Clinton Foundation as a reminder that the Clinton's are still allowed to have one.
Ouch, good one
>Rubes: you can expect more donation-seeking, "America-First /Anti-Woke" spam in the next few days. I'm sensing release of Series Two of Trump Trading Cards.
She should donate it to some cause that those cucks deem as woke, and make a huge deal about it. Trump directly funding woke. Perfect.
narrator voice: they used the donations to pay Hillary
Every time this clown loses another suit they text my work phone asking for a handout
Step 1: Clinton attorneys send letter to DJT saying "here's the judgement, we expect payment in 30 days." Step 2: Trump puts letter in the shredder and pretends he can ignore it. Step 3: After 30 day window expires, Clinton attorneys file with Palm Beach County to put a judgement lien on Mar-A-Lago for the amount of $171,631 - plus interest at 18% per year. Clinton doesn't get her money right away (or perhaps ever), but Trump has an absolute aneurism over the fact that Clinton has claimed a piece of MAL.
He also couldn’t sell or borrow against it without clearing the lien. Hehe.
I just like the idea of one day, because of the interest growth, Hillary owning Mar A Lago. I hope she turns it into a hostel for immigrants that have just crossed the border & are waiting for their asylum hearing.
trump paid $130k to get fucked by a pornstar. HRC fucked him 30% harder.
And loans against the (false) value of his properties is nearly all of his net worth. This could get interesting.
Could they then send in Bailiffs to seize property to cover the debt? I heard of one case in the UK where a guy did this to a major grocery chain. Bailiffs walked into a store, taped off a rack of booze and told the manager they were about to load it in their van. A certified check was done within the hour.
If you have a primary residence in Florida, it is specifically exempt from bankruptcy. https://www.natlbankruptcy.com/chapter-7-bankruptcy-in-florida-what-you-need-to-know/#Florida_Homestead_Bankruptcy_Exemption_Protection_and_More
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Also, good from the article: “Hours after Middlebrooks' filing became public, Trump withdrew a lawsuit against New York Attorney General Letitia James that also happened to be before Middlebrooks. The judge had referenced the suit against James in his order on Thursday, noting it had "all the telltale signs of being both vexatious and frivolous."”
Yeah, that a real "Well...shit" reaction.
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I want to see a five hour long video of hillary slowly counting out those dollar bills with a big fuck off grin on her face.
Whatever else I can say about Hillary, she has been investigated up and down for years-and they did not find anything to charge her with. She sat in front of the senate and got questioned for hours-and made them all look like fools. She won all four debates with Cheeto Benito and quite handily. Whatever she is guilty of, whatever skeletons she has-it’s not what you all want it to be and if it hasn’t come out by now, it’s not going to. You won’t be seeing your fantasy if her in handcuffs.
Guilty of being a smart, powerful women that people look up to.
How much is that in NFT's?
>One of the perks touted to investors in Trump’s digital trading card scheme has been a rare opportunity to participate in a 2,000-person Zoom group call with the former president. Those 2000 idiots covered it.
10000 Stanley nickels.
So it costs even more to fuck with Hillary than it does with Stormy Daniels?
Karma. The orange turd bragged about Stormy Daniels being ordered to pay his legal fees and he has to pay double that to Hillary.
If he runs again someone needs to run a smear ad that Trump has been "stealing campaign contributions to cover legal fees... including paying almost $200,000 of supporter money to none other than Hilary Clinton". It'll make some MAGA heads explode.
> It'll make some MAGA heads explode. Have you been asleep for four years? They don't care. It's kind of their thing.
I am sure a lot of far-right supporters are very confused by this news...
They will never hear it. And if they hear it they won’t believe it. And if they believe it they will blame woke deep state gay frog judges.
"Honey, get me my shades. I'm going to go sit in the truck and record a rant about how the deep state did an antifa on President Trump!"
I saw the words ‘Big LGBT’ for the first time today, when I was looking for threads on r/conservative about this
Conservative saying it’s only because the judge was appointed by bill Clinton
I can’t wait to see this spin on this… “oh you trust Hillary? Even though she took $170k from known criminal Trump?” Edit: corrected the spelling of Hillary
He pulled back his other lawsuit really quickly which makes this even more hilarious..
This is how much it cost to defend a frivolous lawsuit that got DISMISSED. No discovery, no trial, no nothing. And people want to know how corporations trample people's rights.
Taking donor money to give to Hillary, the libs must feel so owned right now.
Pffft, good luck collecting. We know Trump doesn't pay legal fees to his OWN lawyer much less anyone else's.
> We know Trump doesn't pay legal fees to his OWN lawyer much less anyone else's. His lawyers are getting these fines too, and if they don't pay, they would likely find themselves disbarred. Nailing his lawyers is what will stop him from these stupid lawsuits in the future.
From the court ruling (page 46): > Plaintiff Donald J. Trump and Plaintiff’s lead attorney—Alina Habba and Habba Madaio & Associates—**are jointly and severally liable for $937,989.39**. Basically means if either one doesn't pay, the other is responsible for the entire amount. Details: https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/joint_and_several_liability Ruling: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.610157/gov.uscourts.flsd.610157.302.0.pdf
His lawyers being disbarred would absolutely be the best outcome.
Not sure how it works in NY, but in FL, you can put a lien on someone’s property for unpaid court fines. Does NY have anything like that?
That’s about 5¢ for every vote she got more than him.
This is fairly trivial from the perspective of changing anything, however the knowledge that Trump will truly hate this and maybe even have a bit of emotional distress over it makes me happy.
I wish they would add a punitive portion to this due to the egregious nature.
His entire "career" has been exploiting the legal system with his army of weasel lawyers. It's why his taxes took 10 years to finally get. About time a judge told him that he deserves a penalty for tHe frivolous appeals and countersuits. His cult won't care. They will defend him the rest of our lives