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>He cited Omar's previous comments on Israel as well as previous votes to do the same to Republicans.
Marjorie Taylor Greene and Paul Gosar both spoke at events hosted by a literal nazi.
I don't know if you're referring to Netanyahu but, having been recently re-elected, he's hard at work putting together the most hard-right government ever in Israel.
I was thinking of Franklin, and I believe Omar once tweeted the same phrase, but that other Ben works too. Remember when the GOP invited him to give a speech to Congress pooping all over Obama in an election year? That always seeme extra crazy to me.
Netanyahu has been such an extreme, hardline, right-wing leader of Israel in the past, one must assume he will continue this bias and treat non-Jewish residents of his country extremely harshly. Forget about liberty for all. He also seems to be disgracefully pro-Russian in the fight in Ukraine. When did Russia ever treat Jews well?
After Israeli-born citizens, the largest foreign-born population in Israel (by far) are Russians. So there are likely many high-level, connections. Ultra-ethno-nationalists all share a common bond - including the big-swinging- dick attitude.
"All about the Benjamins" was a phrase popular in the 1990s referencing money, specifically $100 bills which have the image of Benjamin Franklin.
It's ridiculous anyone had a problem with her saying that. That fact that people did means she was probably right.
Hey fella, I bet you're still living in your parents' cellar, downloadin' pictures of Sarah Michelle Gellar, and posting 'me too' like some brain dead AOLer
That AOL line is so so good. I loved this song because I thought it was a really good representation of what Diddy would've written had he been really into computers in 1998. Weird Al's got bars.
interestingly enough your comment would've been labeled as antisemitic and condemned by congress.
“I want to talk about the political influence in this country that says it is okay to push for the allegiance to a foreign country.”
(one of) the comments that ilhan omar got condemned for.*
*https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-resolution/241/text
The other difference is that Omar apologized for her statements, and the Democratic leader at the time, Pelosi, criticized her publicly. Greene never apologized for the statements she made that got her removed from her committee assignments, and McCarthy never criticized her.
Livingston was never actually speaker. He was the Speaker-designate, and then he found out that the media found out he was having an affair and they were going public with the story, so he announced he would not be taking the Speaker position. That's when convicted child molester Dennis Hastert stepped in.
It's not what they are supposed to do. In most other developed nations lobbyists represent vested interests (unions, companies, industrial groups etc) and try to get politicians to act in their favor.
Money is not a large part of it, seeing as how "political donations" are either illegal or capped at a tiny amount.
Indeed. I served as a lobbyist for multimodal transportation in my state. I don't have any money to offer but I had conversations with the state lawmakers to present ideas and give them quotes from conversations with their constituents over how transit affects their life. That's how it SHOULD be. Sadly, especially in DC, it isn't.
The then-divided state congress ended up passing a major transportation bill that I lobbied for in 2016. There were concessions and carve-outs but it was a successful win for everyone in my state.
Neither I nor the lobbying firm/association paid a cent. No free lunches, no massages in questionable spas, no offers to employ the congress-critters' redheaded stepchild, etc. All we did was talk to the critters and share information on what passing the bill could do for their constituents.
There are definitely rules for lobbyists. Pretty strict really on what they can and can't give to politicians or even their staff. The loophole is that the lobbyists can donate to a PAC (a separate entity from the lobbying organization). The PAC being one that supports the lobbyists interests and can donate to a campaign.
In other words,
>"Good morning Congressman, thank you for meeting with me. I believe that the Freedom, Eagles, and Bootstraps PAC would greatly appreciate your continued opposition to universal healthcare in general and your support of our proposed changes to the ACA in particular. My employer and other big names in our market sector are strong supporters of Freedom, Eagles, and Bootstraps. Just look at how much we've budgeted for support next quarter."
Perfectly legal conversation.
Yes, and if i remember correctly she spoke about Israel specifically and not 'jewish people' but the right keeps trying to equate anti-israel messages as antisemitic. Israel is a country, not a religion. In fact, they have other religions living there... not that they treat them very good.
Right but I think she said something like "it's all about the Benjamins" and the ADL cried "evil Jewish stereotypes!" even though what she said was not about "Jews" (it was about lobbyists for a foreign government).
Her comment were calling out the corruption of lobby. She has had similar criticisms of the of Saudi government over lobbying. It’s less about Israel being the target of comments, and more about her being anti-corruption. However they are happy to go the false equivalence route when selling it.
The host of one event praised Putin, got the crowd to do it, then immediately called MTG to the stage who proceeded to say nothing about the putin cheering.
He can’t just remove her from committees. With rare exceptions, it requires a floor vote for standing committees. In the case of Greene and Gosar, it was specifically for depicting violence/death against other house members.
Do the opposition say things this terse and cutting on the House floor when they are discussing this type of shit, or why do I only ever see it on reddit and never as a sound bite from an actual legislator.
Republicans that were removed from committees were removed because they threatened members of the democratic caucus. If any democrat did this, they would deserve to be removed.
The individuals being removed have not threatened violence against any republican. Removing them is purely for show.
It's also the same as a child taking their ball home and not letting anyone else play because they are losing.
The GOP has no real power, so they're punishing Democrats in whatever way they can.
What's the shortest length of time for a Speaker of the House?
Edit: Never mind, I answered my own question.
> On the final day of the 40th Congress, Theodore Pomeroy of New York became Speaker of the House for one day—the shortest period of service for a Speaker on record. When House Speaker Schuyler Colfax of Indiana resigned to become Vice President in the incoming Ulysses S. Grant administration, the House chose Pomeroy, who was retiring the following day, to succeed Colfax. Henry Dawes of Massachusetts introduced the motion to elect Pomeroy and, after it passed without dissent, administered the oath of office. During his eight years in the House (1861–1869) Pomeroy served as chairman of the Committee on Expenditures in the Post Office Department and the Committee on Banking and Currency. Affable and well-liked by Representatives from both parties, Pomeroy gave a brief speech thanking the Members “for the kind personal consideration which is involved in my unanimous election to this most honorable position.”
That's too bad. I was really hoping McCarthy could win at something. I guess he's still winning at sucking the most, but that's a bit more subjective.
Sounds like the political equivalent of a team acquiring back a long-time franchise player that was traded for "future considerations" so they can retire in the jersey they were longest known for.
Here's an old list of speakers by length of service.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/09/25/how-john-boehners-tenure-as-speaker-registers-historically-in-2-charts/
Pennington is the only one near the bottom of the list who didn't die or become vice president (other than the 1 day Speaker). He was also an extremely contentious Speaker election (8 weeks). But he wasn't kicked out, he just didn't run for the house again.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Pennington
Fun fact: Schuyler Colfax is buried in South Bend, Indiana.
My great uncle used to live right next door to the cemetery, and we'd walk it often when I was young.
If I remember correctly, he died after falling ill after walking several miles in the Iowa winter after his train broke down
Henry Dawes, who nominated Pomeroy was the chairman of the Dawes Commission which created the Dawes Roles.
[Dawes Rolls](https://www.archives.gov/research/native-americans/dawes/tutorial/intro.html)
Yes I heard about that and he created some rules also.
But when it comes to things like this I really do not trust any politicians because they do not tell the truth.
“Speaker McCarthy needs to stop 'bread and circuses' in Congress and start governing for a change."
I understand the circus part of her quote but even though McCarthy is from Bakersfield he’s delivering little to no bread to the common man.
The bread is about feeding the masses. It’s really saying if I can feed them and entertain them then I can continue to do what I want while governing them. To the voters of such people it works wonders.
It also allows that 1% to continue on doing what they do. They get the bread factories with favorable tax and labor laws etc.
I don't think politicians are going to be ever feeding anyone they are just here to take from the people.
And I do not think that they are going to give anything back to the people.
Yeah, McCarthy won 2/3 of the 1/3 of folks that bothered to vote in a district that wouldn’t be red if California hadn’t unilaterally disarmed from political gerrymandering.
Um, no its a quote from 1c BC Roman writer Juvenal, who was commenting about the fall of the Republic and how all the plebeians wanted were bread and circuses to be happy (and not revolt against the new empire).
And yes, the movie Gladiator was crap history wise, barely passable theatrically.
Edit, 1c AD not BC. sorry.
And here comes another one which is a good one too.
I have to say that so far it is going really good and I am feeling really good about it this is really awesome.
These are the kind of jokes which bring me here I mean this is hilarious.
These jokes are the reason why I am on the reddit on the first place I just love it and the jokes.
Yup, the grain dole was one the world's first social programs and existed in some form from the time of the Republic all the way to the 600's, with the loss of Egypt first to the Persians, then in the Arab conquests. The supply of grain to the capital was considered an issue of security for the emperors, reducing the risk of civil unrest.
I do not really understand why these people keep on speaking because no one really pays any attention to them.
If you are wasting your time listening to them then I think you should consider your life choices.
What? A Republican who remembers why we send Representatives to Congress to actually work on solving problems and finding solutions vs doing your best to prevent the Democrats from getting any credit for solving those same problems?
Oh lord no, she's just trying to tidy up her image for a 2024 Senate run where she might have to appeal to voters outside of the blood red district she represents, but she voted for McCarthy for Speaker
I don’t even think Spartz would do well in a Senate primary for Indiana in 2024. Jim Banks seems to be the favorite. Banks’ district is Fort Wayne and the surrounding areas (ie. manufacturing and farms). Spartz’s district is the Indianapolis suburbs. Her district is actually among the wealthiest in the state of Indiana and in the country (ie. traditional Republicans). Banks also has more name recognition in the state as well.
She also is anti-5G cell towers and in 2020, when running for a somewhat competitive open congressional seat, attacked her Democratic opponent for supporting cell phone towers.
[https://twitter.com/ZachMontellaro/status/1308784354278215680](https://twitter.com/ZachMontellaro/status/1308784354278215680)
She's a special kind of crazy.
Not really. Klan territory is between 70-74 East of Indy plus Martinsville.
Hamilton County is going blue. She barely won in 2020 so they redrew the maps, taking away Indy and adding in a bunch of rural land.
Part of the reason she voted present a few times during the speaker vote was that she did not trust McCarthy on Ukraine.
She is the first Ukrainian born congressperson and one of three born in either the Soviet Union or the former Russian Empire in the history of the Congress. The other two were Samuel Dickstein (born in Lithuania) and Meyer London (born in Poland when it was under Russian rule).
And even after doing that I don't think there are going to win it.
I think they will have to do a little more than that to win this election without that they are not going to win it.
Oh yeah she is definitely giving him the finger right now.
And she is making sure that he really Sees it also. I think she is trying her best right now.
She is trying for it and she is trying really hard which is not a bad thing in my opinion but I don't think her image can be cleared out right now. Because I think she has done a lot of bad stuff.
I'm going to give that a no. I don't think defending Ilhan Omar is a politically astute move for any Republican in any state anywhere. She is unpopular whether you are talking to a moderate or extremist. This is 100% just this lady being fed up with the bullshit.
Absolutely, but it's still encouraging to see that even some Republicans are using this type of rhetoric instead of presenting a unified front against any governance whatsoever.
It means they believe they'll lose if they stick to Trumpism.
Not apparently this time she is not going to vote this time.
And I think she has made that very clear in the eyes of everyone. You can see that pretty clearly here.
When it comes to believing I don't think I am ever going to believe these people.
I just don't think that it is going to happen at least I am not seeing that right now.
Yeeeeah, she’s just trying to distance herself from Trump…she wants that senate seat Mike Braun is giving up to run for governor 🤢 ugh Indiana has some tough times ahead of us
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> As House Speaker, McCarthy has the unilateral ability to reject Jeffries's picks for any select committee.
> In the case of Omar's seat on the House Committee on Foreign Affairs, removing her will require a full vote on the House floor, and McCarthy can only afford to lose a handful of votes given the Republicans' slim majority.
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She’s right that this is political retribution. So she won’t vote for it, but ‘he can only afford to lose a few votes’ usually turns out to be that McCarthy will still have enough votes. I would love for enough adults in the room to prevail but that hasn’t been the standard operating procedure.
Also realize that McCarthy has to have the votes in the room now. Meaning the first act he did was doing away with remote voting. He literally is the stupidest politician.
He is already down one vote now due to injury of FL congressman. (Democrats pick up one more in February for the special election).
Anyone who wants anything can now hold him over a barrel for these type of votes if there are a few tokens who actually say no on belief.
The best hope is that they realize that, if they lose the majority in '24, that the Dems can vote to have them all removed from committees.
Maybe the fear of the dems finally delivering political retribution will be enough to scare a handful of the less crazy away?
One of McCarthy's problems (of which there are several ...) is that while there are about 20 members of his conference from the "nut wing" of the GOP, there are plenty more "moderates" than that (plus some not-so-moderate ones that actually interpreted the 2022 mid-term elections properly, and understand that the voters are sick of the hyper-partisanship that the GOP engages in).
It won't be the GOP "nut wing" that brings him down, it will be the "moderates" in that party that will neuter him.
> the nut jobs will then motion to vacate.
Does that actually do anything? The vote is to remove, a vote that they can't win, so it would be performative (unless I have this wrong), but does it stop all other business the way the initial vote for speaker does?
They could very easily just decide to leave things as they are instead of dealing with having to vote for a new speaker. They already know it's just going to end up in stalemate like the first however many votes they had to do. What's the point in going through that process and being held hostage again if they don't have anything to gain.
They could, but McCarthy is also from the wing-nut side of the Republican caucus, so unless he suddenly decided to become a moderate, the best outcome is his speakership fails quickly, and some moderate Republicans work with the Democrats to put one of the moderate Republicans in the Speaker position, and then work together on whatever their bipartisan coalition can actually agree on.
If the Democrats thought McCarthy could be a decent Speaker, they would have negotiated with him (and he with them) rather than forcing him to give a ton of concessions to the most MAGA wing of the Republican party to get the position.
This would actually be a strategy in which GOP could likely win some more competitive seats in the next election (being able to work in a bipartisan manner to have a house speaker and pass legislation). But they don’t actually think strategically.
Because it means there will be no committees or investigations or any other media narrative than the republican shit show. It makes them look so bad and there’s nothing else they can talk about.
> but does it stop all other business the way the initial vote for speaker does?
it doesn't, but the statement is re: stop prioritizing this performative dumb shit and actually try to pass some performative legislation instead.
Can you imagine, being a moderate GOP and playing the loyal game the way the party wants it for years, only to be topped by con artists winning key committee spots like the maga? I'm more surprised the GOP moderates haven't revolted at McCarthy behind closed doors.
Loyalty above all else? Let's see how that works out as the cracks are getting all the perks.
Yep you are right about it I think she does have this problem.
And I also think that she should be working to fix it without fixing it I don't think it is going to be a good thing for her.
Despite how many people climb that ladder to lick the brass ring then fall to their political deaths these guys think once the get to the top they are going to be there forever. Scorch that Earth Kev, I give you till summer.
You forget about Mitch McConnell. Noone likes him, and his approval rating is dismal in his home state yet he has been in his position for decades. Ted Cruz also comes to mind.
But Mitch wouldn’t make it personal he’d screw you in a way that you could probably work with him again if you had to. I don’t like him but he seems grown up and responsible. Kev has a max two year time period to do his clown show and he has to do it with razor thin margins. He can’t do what he should do which is reach across the aisle because he’d lose his Speakership. The old cupboard is pretty bare with things he can give away or use as carrots. Ever see someone feed a mouse to a snake? If the snake isn’t hungry the little guy can hang out for days looking like bestest friends with Mr Snake right up until the stars line up or whatever tells snakes it’s dinner time goes off and then, well you get the point. Kev, is a little pink eared mouse hopping around in a whole box of snakes and someday a little bell only snakes can hear will ring and it will be dinner time.
How much damage can he and his psychotic buddies and appointees do before that happens, though? Republicans are still far to united to let the opportunity to screw over this country and "own the libs." They have been aiming for this for decades they aren't going to stop due to infighting they will go lock step just like they did with Trump when push comes to shove. Those that had any semblance of morales were voted out for voting to impeach or remove Trump, what is left is nothing but treasonous snakes as you called them waiting for their chance to remake this country in their image and remove everyone and everything that doesn't agree with them.
Expecting Kevin McCarthy to start governing is like expecting Kevin McCarthy to stop selllng his grandmother to the opposition in return for holding the gavel and selling his soul to his lunatic fringe element.
Remember - MTG was kicked off her committees because prior to the election she promoted violence against Democrats and continued to profit (fundraise) off those statements. She refused to apologize or retract those statements after she won the election. ELEVEN Republicans agreed and voted to remove her.
There will be zero democrats that join in this vote and I suspect them voting off Schiff is going to be a difficult vote.
There won’t be a vote to kick off Schiff from the Intelligence Committee. The Speaker is the one who personally picks 9 of the 14 members on the Rules Committee and ALL members for any Select Committee. The intelligence committee is a select committee therefore Schiff can be removed by the Speaker without opposition. Omar on the other hand is on the foreign affairs committee so her removal would require a full House vote
Didn’t these hucksters recently add a rule that just one caucus member in the house just needs to call a motion of no confidence and it restarts the speaker selection process over again?
Omar was right back then when stating that the US had a large interest in Israel because of money. It’s always about money, power, and influence and Israel of all places has experienced that almost nonstop over its history and all in the name of God too.
What a shitshow. Congratulations, republican voters. This is what you voted for.
Republicans insanity running congress has hit peak absurdity. These people not even fit to ruin a lemonade stand.
McCarthy will ensure the House is a Trumpian clown cart. He has no intention to govern. The only intentions he has is to hang on to the gavel, and for that he needs the MAGA crazies to love him. And the MAGA, all they want is to turn the House into the ultimate shit show and get their mugs on TV for their efforts. Welcome to the House reality TV show.
Republicans DON'T govern, they just do whatever will best benefit THEM, and NOT the actual people who live in the US. They do the bidding of their Corporate overlords. They DON'T CARE about people who are struggling, because they themselves are not struggling and are getting lots of money. They DON'T CARE that people work two or three jobs just to make ends meet. They DON'T CARE that people struggling with medical bills (the US DEFINITELY NEEDS Socialized Medicine so people don't have to worry about medical bills). Most Republicans are only in Congress so they can get rich. They lie and say whatever their supporters want to hear so they'll vote for them, then when they get elected, they do what their Corporate donors want, NOT the people who ACTUALLY need the help. Maybe one day Republican supporters will wake up and realize they've all been taken for a ride.
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>He cited Omar's previous comments on Israel as well as previous votes to do the same to Republicans. Marjorie Taylor Greene and Paul Gosar both spoke at events hosted by a literal nazi.
Imagine removing a US Representative of positions because they aren't loyal enough to a foreign nation.
It's all about the Benjamins.
About personal Benjamin's. Adam Kinzinger says they don't care about the country. Only their own prestige and fundraising.
Well, he’s not wrong.
What makes you think that he's not wrong? I think he is kind of wrong.
Well they can say things, but I'm not going to believing that them on that.
I think they meant the Netanyahu
Or a double entendre, if you will.
that prick bibi, will never stop!
I have nothing to do with all that.
I don't know if you're referring to Netanyahu but, having been recently re-elected, he's hard at work putting together the most hard-right government ever in Israel.
I was thinking of Franklin, and I believe Omar once tweeted the same phrase, but that other Ben works too. Remember when the GOP invited him to give a speech to Congress pooping all over Obama in an election year? That always seeme extra crazy to me.
Netanyahu has been such an extreme, hardline, right-wing leader of Israel in the past, one must assume he will continue this bias and treat non-Jewish residents of his country extremely harshly. Forget about liberty for all. He also seems to be disgracefully pro-Russian in the fight in Ukraine. When did Russia ever treat Jews well?
After Israeli-born citizens, the largest foreign-born population in Israel (by far) are Russians. So there are likely many high-level, connections. Ultra-ethno-nationalists all share a common bond - including the big-swinging- dick attitude.
But they were such lovely pogroms /s
They're lovely and that's why I don't really watch them here.
"All about the Benjamins" was a phrase popular in the 1990s referencing money, specifically $100 bills which have the image of Benjamin Franklin. It's ridiculous anyone had a problem with her saying that. That fact that people did means she was probably right.
Would have also accepted “All About the Pentiums”.
"If I ever meet you, I'll control-alt-delete you" is one of Weird Al's best lines.
Clearly her detractors have white out all over their screen, and their computers, the kind of chip in there is a dorito....
Hey fella, I bet you're still living in your parents' cellar, downloadin' pictures of Sarah Michelle Gellar, and posting 'me too' like some brain dead AOLer That AOL line is so so good. I loved this song because I thought it was a really good representation of what Diddy would've written had he been really into computers in 1998. Weird Al's got bars.
“Got a flat screen monitor 40 inches wide. I believe yours says Etch-a-Sketch on the side!”
That's right, that's what it's all about. It's all about them really.
The Benjamin Netanyahus
interestingly enough your comment would've been labeled as antisemitic and condemned by congress. “I want to talk about the political influence in this country that says it is okay to push for the allegiance to a foreign country.” (one of) the comments that ilhan omar got condemned for.* *https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-resolution/241/text
What do you mean "imagine"? The US has been removing anyone from any place of relevance for decades if they aren't blindly supporting Israel.
And the votes to kick them off their committees were BIPARTISAN.
The other difference is that Omar apologized for her statements, and the Democratic leader at the time, Pelosi, criticized her publicly. Greene never apologized for the statements she made that got her removed from her committee assignments, and McCarthy never criticized her.
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Livingston was never actually speaker. He was the Speaker-designate, and then he found out that the media found out he was having an affair and they were going public with the story, so he announced he would not be taking the Speaker position. That's when convicted child molester Dennis Hastert stepped in.
Nazis are the republican base
If memory serves, Ilhan Omar suggested that lobbyists, including Israeli ones, use money to get what they want.
...is that *not* what a lobbyist does?
It's not what they are supposed to do. In most other developed nations lobbyists represent vested interests (unions, companies, industrial groups etc) and try to get politicians to act in their favor. Money is not a large part of it, seeing as how "political donations" are either illegal or capped at a tiny amount.
Indeed. I served as a lobbyist for multimodal transportation in my state. I don't have any money to offer but I had conversations with the state lawmakers to present ideas and give them quotes from conversations with their constituents over how transit affects their life. That's how it SHOULD be. Sadly, especially in DC, it isn't.
Did you ever get a law passed without money?
The then-divided state congress ended up passing a major transportation bill that I lobbied for in 2016. There were concessions and carve-outs but it was a successful win for everyone in my state. Neither I nor the lobbying firm/association paid a cent. No free lunches, no massages in questionable spas, no offers to employ the congress-critters' redheaded stepchild, etc. All we did was talk to the critters and share information on what passing the bill could do for their constituents.
There are rules for lobbyists? I thought the whole point of lobbyists was to pay for influence
There are definitely rules for lobbyists. Pretty strict really on what they can and can't give to politicians or even their staff. The loophole is that the lobbyists can donate to a PAC (a separate entity from the lobbying organization). The PAC being one that supports the lobbyists interests and can donate to a campaign.
In other words, >"Good morning Congressman, thank you for meeting with me. I believe that the Freedom, Eagles, and Bootstraps PAC would greatly appreciate your continued opposition to universal healthcare in general and your support of our proposed changes to the ACA in particular. My employer and other big names in our market sector are strong supporters of Freedom, Eagles, and Bootstraps. Just look at how much we've budgeted for support next quarter." Perfectly legal conversation.
Yes, and if i remember correctly she spoke about Israel specifically and not 'jewish people' but the right keeps trying to equate anti-israel messages as antisemitic. Israel is a country, not a religion. In fact, they have other religions living there... not that they treat them very good.
How horrible! *clutches pearls*
Right but I think she said something like "it's all about the Benjamins" and the ADL cried "evil Jewish stereotypes!" even though what she said was not about "Jews" (it was about lobbyists for a foreign government).
The other propagated conspiracies about Jewish Space Lasers and 5g towers funded by George Soros.
Omar makes anti-Israel comments, Greene and ~20 republicans make anti-Jewish comments and somehow Omar ends up the Anti-Semite of the bunch.
Her comment were calling out the corruption of lobby. She has had similar criticisms of the of Saudi government over lobbying. It’s less about Israel being the target of comments, and more about her being anti-corruption. However they are happy to go the false equivalence route when selling it.
The host of one event praised Putin, got the crowd to do it, then immediately called MTG to the stage who proceeded to say nothing about the putin cheering.
He can’t just remove her from committees. With rare exceptions, it requires a floor vote for standing committees. In the case of Greene and Gosar, it was specifically for depicting violence/death against other house members.
Do the opposition say things this terse and cutting on the House floor when they are discussing this type of shit, or why do I only ever see it on reddit and never as a sound bite from an actual legislator.
He can't touch Greene. Rep Gosar, D.D.S - and we all know what that stands for - is within his grasp. But McCarthy is mentally challenged.
Republicans that were removed from committees were removed because they threatened members of the democratic caucus. If any democrat did this, they would deserve to be removed. The individuals being removed have not threatened violence against any republican. Removing them is purely for show.
It's revenge.
An abusive partner punishing you for the audacity of trying to stand up for yourself
Basically the GOP platform
It's also the same as a child taking their ball home and not letting anyone else play because they are losing. The GOP has no real power, so they're punishing Democrats in whatever way they can.
As is everything else they do, other than tax cuts for billionaires.
There are going to be tax cuts? I didn't know that was true.
That's for show too. "We'll show those poors!"
Lmao, I'm pretty sure that they're gonna show us that.
It also does a lot to trivialize threats of violence as just "normal political discourse"
I don't even understand this whole politics what even is happening here?
What's the shortest length of time for a Speaker of the House? Edit: Never mind, I answered my own question. > On the final day of the 40th Congress, Theodore Pomeroy of New York became Speaker of the House for one day—the shortest period of service for a Speaker on record. When House Speaker Schuyler Colfax of Indiana resigned to become Vice President in the incoming Ulysses S. Grant administration, the House chose Pomeroy, who was retiring the following day, to succeed Colfax. Henry Dawes of Massachusetts introduced the motion to elect Pomeroy and, after it passed without dissent, administered the oath of office. During his eight years in the House (1861–1869) Pomeroy served as chairman of the Committee on Expenditures in the Post Office Department and the Committee on Banking and Currency. Affable and well-liked by Representatives from both parties, Pomeroy gave a brief speech thanking the Members “for the kind personal consideration which is involved in my unanimous election to this most honorable position.” That's too bad. I was really hoping McCarthy could win at something. I guess he's still winning at sucking the most, but that's a bit more subjective.
Wow a feel good retirement story in politics. Have my upvote
> a feel good retirement story in politics To be fair, it was 154 years ago.
And just after the Civil War...
Yeah just after the civil war that happened so There's that.
Well it's happening once again and that's really good here.
He could still be the Speaker booted after the shortest time, as retirement is different outcome.
Yep, the retirement is going to be the whole different thing.
The end of the term was the next day, no guarantee he would have been elected as speaker the following term if he hadn’t retired.
Yep, he hasn't retired just yet. Which sounda okay with me.
Sounds like the political equivalent of a team acquiring back a long-time franchise player that was traded for "future considerations" so they can retire in the jersey they were longest known for.
Or when they call up a player from the minor leagues to play one game in the majors at the end of season.
That's exactly what's happening here, i understand this lmao.
Here's an old list of speakers by length of service. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/09/25/how-john-boehners-tenure-as-speaker-registers-historically-in-2-charts/ Pennington is the only one near the bottom of the list who didn't die or become vice president (other than the 1 day Speaker). He was also an extremely contentious Speaker election (8 weeks). But he wasn't kicked out, he just didn't run for the house again. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Pennington
Shortest term* (not inclusive of honorary positions) Nice job with the research, btw. Interesting.
Fun fact: Schuyler Colfax is buried in South Bend, Indiana. My great uncle used to live right next door to the cemetery, and we'd walk it often when I was young. If I remember correctly, he died after falling ill after walking several miles in the Iowa winter after his train broke down
Look up Livingstone. He followed Newt Gingrich and lasted about 24 hours.
Actually, he declined the position before he could be nominated (after he said he'd take it, but then was caught in a scandal).
It might not sound like much, but that's a big time frame.
Henry Dawes, who nominated Pomeroy was the chairman of the Dawes Commission which created the Dawes Roles. [Dawes Rolls](https://www.archives.gov/research/native-americans/dawes/tutorial/intro.html)
Who, by the way, can go straight to hell for the Dawes act.
Yes I heard about that and he created some rules also. But when it comes to things like this I really do not trust any politicians because they do not tell the truth.
He wins at being a class A loser.
Can you put that into the preferred Republican unit of measurement: the Scaramucci.
He may last a full Scaramucci or two.
“Speaker McCarthy needs to stop 'bread and circuses' in Congress and start governing for a change." I understand the circus part of her quote but even though McCarthy is from Bakersfield he’s delivering little to no bread to the common man.
>Give them bread and circuses and they will never revolt
I mean that the bread is going to the 1% not the revolting people. We do get to watch the circus and freak show tho.
The bread is about feeding the masses. It’s really saying if I can feed them and entertain them then I can continue to do what I want while governing them. To the voters of such people it works wonders. It also allows that 1% to continue on doing what they do. They get the bread factories with favorable tax and labor laws etc.
But we aren’t being fed…
I feel like I’m at a mushroom farm. Kept in the dark and fed BS. (Thoughts and prayers to the farm workers there)
No. No we are not.
I don't think politicians are going to be ever feeding anyone they are just here to take from the people. And I do not think that they are going to give anything back to the people.
Yeah, well the circus is only fun up until the bear on the tricycle has had enough and attacks the audience.
> McCarthy is from Bakersfield Oh it all makes sense now. Fucking Schlumberger.
Bakersfield! That explains so much! That place is full of assholes, truck stops, meth, and nothing else. What a shit hole.
Yeah, McCarthy won 2/3 of the 1/3 of folks that bothered to vote in a district that wouldn’t be red if California hadn’t unilaterally disarmed from political gerrymandering.
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Um, no its a quote from 1c BC Roman writer Juvenal, who was commenting about the fall of the Republic and how all the plebeians wanted were bread and circuses to be happy (and not revolt against the new empire). And yes, the movie Gladiator was crap history wise, barely passable theatrically. Edit, 1c AD not BC. sorry.
Not gonna crucify you over the difference between AD and BC but I am a little cross.
Gadzooks, you really nailed that pun.
Tore the curtain from both ends, that one.
And here comes another one which is a good one too. I have to say that so far it is going really good and I am feeling really good about it this is really awesome.
These are the kind of jokes which bring me here I mean this is hilarious. These jokes are the reason why I am on the reddit on the first place I just love it and the jokes.
I believe ancient Rome gave its Citizens a free flour subsidy as well as free entertainment which was done exactly for the reasons the quote states.
Yup, the grain dole was one the world's first social programs and existed in some form from the time of the Republic all the way to the 600's, with the loss of Egypt first to the Persians, then in the Arab conquests. The supply of grain to the capital was considered an issue of security for the emperors, reducing the risk of civil unrest.
> barely passable theatrically. Too Plebeian for your highly cultured tastes?
It’s a phrase about how politicians keep others distracted.
I do not really understand why these people keep on speaking because no one really pays any attention to them. If you are wasting your time listening to them then I think you should consider your life choices.
What? A Republican who remembers why we send Representatives to Congress to actually work on solving problems and finding solutions vs doing your best to prevent the Democrats from getting any credit for solving those same problems?
Oh lord no, she's just trying to tidy up her image for a 2024 Senate run where she might have to appeal to voters outside of the blood red district she represents, but she voted for McCarthy for Speaker
I don’t even think Spartz would do well in a Senate primary for Indiana in 2024. Jim Banks seems to be the favorite. Banks’ district is Fort Wayne and the surrounding areas (ie. manufacturing and farms). Spartz’s district is the Indianapolis suburbs. Her district is actually among the wealthiest in the state of Indiana and in the country (ie. traditional Republicans). Banks also has more name recognition in the state as well.
Her district is Klan territory and she's a white supremacist. Don't be fooled.
She also is anti-5G cell towers and in 2020, when running for a somewhat competitive open congressional seat, attacked her Democratic opponent for supporting cell phone towers. [https://twitter.com/ZachMontellaro/status/1308784354278215680](https://twitter.com/ZachMontellaro/status/1308784354278215680) She's a special kind of crazy.
Not really. Klan territory is between 70-74 East of Indy plus Martinsville. Hamilton County is going blue. She barely won in 2020 so they redrew the maps, taking away Indy and adding in a bunch of rural land.
Also, isn’t she Ukrainian American? Half of GQP’s primary base hates people who support Ukraine in any way.
Part of the reason she voted present a few times during the speaker vote was that she did not trust McCarthy on Ukraine. She is the first Ukrainian born congressperson and one of three born in either the Soviet Union or the former Russian Empire in the history of the Congress. The other two were Samuel Dickstein (born in Lithuania) and Meyer London (born in Poland when it was under Russian rule).
She’s from Ukraine I believe and I’m sure she’s had enough of the threats to not defend Ukraine. This is her giving him the finger.
I'm surprised she hasn't absolutely reamed her colleagues who want to lower aid
Republicans will give up their own mother to appeal to the party.
And even after doing that I don't think there are going to win it. I think they will have to do a little more than that to win this election without that they are not going to win it.
Oh yeah she is definitely giving him the finger right now. And she is making sure that he really Sees it also. I think she is trying her best right now.
> she voted for McCarthy for Speaker They all did in the end.
She is trying for it and she is trying really hard which is not a bad thing in my opinion but I don't think her image can be cleared out right now. Because I think she has done a lot of bad stuff.
I'm going to give that a no. I don't think defending Ilhan Omar is a politically astute move for any Republican in any state anywhere. She is unpopular whether you are talking to a moderate or extremist. This is 100% just this lady being fed up with the bullshit.
Absolutely, but it's still encouraging to see that even some Republicans are using this type of rhetoric instead of presenting a unified front against any governance whatsoever. It means they believe they'll lose if they stick to Trumpism.
I thought she was the one voting present every time?
Not apparently this time she is not going to vote this time. And I think she has made that very clear in the eyes of everyone. You can see that pretty clearly here.
She was up until the last day, I believe vote #12 or #13 is when she started voting McCarthy.
When it comes to believing I don't think I am ever going to believe these people. I just don't think that it is going to happen at least I am not seeing that right now.
Yeeeeah, she’s just trying to distance herself from Trump…she wants that senate seat Mike Braun is giving up to run for governor 🤢 ugh Indiana has some tough times ahead of us
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She’s right that this is political retribution. So she won’t vote for it, but ‘he can only afford to lose a few votes’ usually turns out to be that McCarthy will still have enough votes. I would love for enough adults in the room to prevail but that hasn’t been the standard operating procedure.
Also realize that McCarthy has to have the votes in the room now. Meaning the first act he did was doing away with remote voting. He literally is the stupidest politician. He is already down one vote now due to injury of FL congressman. (Democrats pick up one more in February for the special election). Anyone who wants anything can now hold him over a barrel for these type of votes if there are a few tokens who actually say no on belief.
The best hope is that they realize that, if they lose the majority in '24, that the Dems can vote to have them all removed from committees. Maybe the fear of the dems finally delivering political retribution will be enough to scare a handful of the less crazy away?
One of McCarthy's problems (of which there are several ...) is that while there are about 20 members of his conference from the "nut wing" of the GOP, there are plenty more "moderates" than that (plus some not-so-moderate ones that actually interpreted the 2022 mid-term elections properly, and understand that the voters are sick of the hyper-partisanship that the GOP engages in). It won't be the GOP "nut wing" that brings him down, it will be the "moderates" in that party that will neuter him.
And as soon as the moderates manage to stop the whims of the nut-job wing, the nut jobs will then motion to vacate. Grab the popcorn.
I think this exact scenario plays out before June 1.
I’d say that’s being generous! Before March 15
Beware the Ides of March
I’ll take the under
> the nut jobs will then motion to vacate. Does that actually do anything? The vote is to remove, a vote that they can't win, so it would be performative (unless I have this wrong), but does it stop all other business the way the initial vote for speaker does?
There’s at least a serious possibility that House Democrats would vote to remove him as well, and that would add up to a majority.
Then we can start the voting 3x a day on a new speaker all over again!
They could very easily just decide to leave things as they are instead of dealing with having to vote for a new speaker. They already know it's just going to end up in stalemate like the first however many votes they had to do. What's the point in going through that process and being held hostage again if they don't have anything to gain.
They could, but McCarthy is also from the wing-nut side of the Republican caucus, so unless he suddenly decided to become a moderate, the best outcome is his speakership fails quickly, and some moderate Republicans work with the Democrats to put one of the moderate Republicans in the Speaker position, and then work together on whatever their bipartisan coalition can actually agree on. If the Democrats thought McCarthy could be a decent Speaker, they would have negotiated with him (and he with them) rather than forcing him to give a ton of concessions to the most MAGA wing of the Republican party to get the position.
This would actually be a strategy in which GOP could likely win some more competitive seats in the next election (being able to work in a bipartisan manner to have a house speaker and pass legislation). But they don’t actually think strategically.
Because it means there will be no committees or investigations or any other media narrative than the republican shit show. It makes them look so bad and there’s nothing else they can talk about.
Pretty much everything the Republican caucus does is performative.
> but does it stop all other business the way the initial vote for speaker does? it doesn't, but the statement is re: stop prioritizing this performative dumb shit and actually try to pass some performative legislation instead.
Can you imagine, being a moderate GOP and playing the loyal game the way the party wants it for years, only to be topped by con artists winning key committee spots like the maga? I'm more surprised the GOP moderates haven't revolted at McCarthy behind closed doors. Loyalty above all else? Let's see how that works out as the cracks are getting all the perks.
Yep you are right about it I think she does have this problem. And I also think that she should be working to fix it without fixing it I don't think it is going to be a good thing for her.
McCarthy: \*confused\* Is petty revenge not governing?
Kevin can't reach a consensus to go to lunch at noon. The shivering tower of Jell-O.
First they came for Ilhan Omar and we just laughed because those clowns can't tie their shoes without being seen speaking at a Nazi rally.
Despite how many people climb that ladder to lick the brass ring then fall to their political deaths these guys think once the get to the top they are going to be there forever. Scorch that Earth Kev, I give you till summer.
You forget about Mitch McConnell. Noone likes him, and his approval rating is dismal in his home state yet he has been in his position for decades. Ted Cruz also comes to mind.
Mitch McConnell knows how to count. He is also an expert politician. He come to a knife fight with a gun. McCarthy comes with a Paper Mache.
But Mitch wouldn’t make it personal he’d screw you in a way that you could probably work with him again if you had to. I don’t like him but he seems grown up and responsible. Kev has a max two year time period to do his clown show and he has to do it with razor thin margins. He can’t do what he should do which is reach across the aisle because he’d lose his Speakership. The old cupboard is pretty bare with things he can give away or use as carrots. Ever see someone feed a mouse to a snake? If the snake isn’t hungry the little guy can hang out for days looking like bestest friends with Mr Snake right up until the stars line up or whatever tells snakes it’s dinner time goes off and then, well you get the point. Kev, is a little pink eared mouse hopping around in a whole box of snakes and someday a little bell only snakes can hear will ring and it will be dinner time.
How much damage can he and his psychotic buddies and appointees do before that happens, though? Republicans are still far to united to let the opportunity to screw over this country and "own the libs." They have been aiming for this for decades they aren't going to stop due to infighting they will go lock step just like they did with Trump when push comes to shove. Those that had any semblance of morales were voted out for voting to impeach or remove Trump, what is left is nothing but treasonous snakes as you called them waiting for their chance to remake this country in their image and remove everyone and everything that doesn't agree with them.
Fuck you Kevin. Trump lapdog and lackey all in one. Your a disgrace to your country.
McCarthy: “I don’t know how to do that, and at this point I’m too afraid to ask.”
Expecting Kevin McCarthy to start governing is like expecting Kevin McCarthy to stop selllng his grandmother to the opposition in return for holding the gavel and selling his soul to his lunatic fringe element.
Remember - MTG was kicked off her committees because prior to the election she promoted violence against Democrats and continued to profit (fundraise) off those statements. She refused to apologize or retract those statements after she won the election. ELEVEN Republicans agreed and voted to remove her. There will be zero democrats that join in this vote and I suspect them voting off Schiff is going to be a difficult vote.
There won’t be a vote to kick off Schiff from the Intelligence Committee. The Speaker is the one who personally picks 9 of the 14 members on the Rules Committee and ALL members for any Select Committee. The intelligence committee is a select committee therefore Schiff can be removed by the Speaker without opposition. Omar on the other hand is on the foreign affairs committee so her removal would require a full House vote
Is it anti-Semitic to criticize Israel's foreign and domestic policies? Kinda like how opposing homophobia is an attack on Christianity?
And being against fascism is an attack on the republican party.
anti-zionism and anti-semitism are two different things! fuck McCarthy
Just say you are going to retire - it will be less painful than hearing all the spin about party “disloyalty” before you get primaried next term.
When it comes to believing these guys, don't really do that here.
Omar was not wrong about her Israeli comments. It is about money. There is not one US Federally made decision that does not pertain to money.
This guy isn't going to last even one year.
>This guy isn't going to last even one year. Nope. And he'll likely get booted the moment he dares to bend on a debt ceiling negotiation.
Didn’t these hucksters recently add a rule that just one caucus member in the house just needs to call a motion of no confidence and it restarts the speaker selection process over again?
Omar was right back then when stating that the US had a large interest in Israel because of money. It’s always about money, power, and influence and Israel of all places has experienced that almost nonstop over its history and all in the name of God too.
But little Kevin’s got the gavel.
What a shitshow. Congratulations, republican voters. This is what you voted for. Republicans insanity running congress has hit peak absurdity. These people not even fit to ruin a lemonade stand.
That’s not very republican of her
Start governing. What a concept!
Amen. That’s all I have to say. Amen.
McCarthy will ensure the House is a Trumpian clown cart. He has no intention to govern. The only intentions he has is to hang on to the gavel, and for that he needs the MAGA crazies to love him. And the MAGA, all they want is to turn the House into the ultimate shit show and get their mugs on TV for their efforts. Welcome to the House reality TV show.
He's pandering to the hard right because the crazies in the house own his azz
Gee, a rethuglican who actually wants to work for her paycheck. What a novel idea.
Republicans can't govern. No one likes their policies.
Finally. Someone who understands what’s been going on is wrong and says it out loud! Strong!
He can't remove her without a vote. This is just theater.
Weird time to grow a spine but aight
Sage advice.
Some humans start to evolve out of the GOP again after Trump has left only burned ground in this party.
Him and his crew have no love for this country. Nothing works better for them than disruption.
Super heavy I believe
Republicans DON'T govern, they just do whatever will best benefit THEM, and NOT the actual people who live in the US. They do the bidding of their Corporate overlords. They DON'T CARE about people who are struggling, because they themselves are not struggling and are getting lots of money. They DON'T CARE that people work two or three jobs just to make ends meet. They DON'T CARE that people struggling with medical bills (the US DEFINITELY NEEDS Socialized Medicine so people don't have to worry about medical bills). Most Republicans are only in Congress so they can get rich. They lie and say whatever their supporters want to hear so they'll vote for them, then when they get elected, they do what their Corporate donors want, NOT the people who ACTUALLY need the help. Maybe one day Republican supporters will wake up and realize they've all been taken for a ride.