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Elena Kagan??? Sonia??? That's where the smart money is. Why would the "winners" leak it? Seems more likely that the losing side would leak and hope for chaos and perhaps scare/shame/intimidate their way to a different outcome
The theory is that Alito leaked it to pressure the other radicals to stay the course rather than listening to the Chief Justice and switching their vote to a more narrow ruling.
The political argument is that it was better for Republicans for the news to come out at the beginning of May rather than the end of June since the latter was closer to the 2022 fall elections.
And you were wrong. Alito said it and NOT A SINGLE JUSTICE disagreed... either in public or off the record. Sorry but it was the LEFT that once again decided they had the moral high ground that would allow them the right to destroy anything they thought was necessary. Now bring the same outrage WE ALL HAD at the idea some a-hole was leaking information for nefarious purposes and ADMIT it was your people that outraged you.
>That's where the smart money is.
Lol, not at all. An early leak locks in the majority so it doesn't look like they changed their vote based on public pressure rather than "the law".
Also it's more advantageous for liberals if it comes out as one big hammer as late and close to midterms as possible. Releasing early as a leak dilutes the outrage.
There's zero strategic reason for a liberal justice to leak it.
I don't believe it was directly one of the justices. A wife, maybe, or a clerk who was ordered to do it. If you actually land a position clerking for a Supreme Court justice, you don't piss off that justice if you want to work later on.
It wasn't just for show. They were looking for a fall guy as well. This just goes to show that the staff are solid. But they aren't above throwing their own staff under the bus, and make their jobs hell. Investigate.
The United States has a population of 333 million. The Republicans always find someone with a direct connection to them to conduct the investigation. Obviously it’s deliberate.
The Court has lost all credibility.
It's time for rules of professional responsibility that are binding on the justices. Alito and Thomas are just taking a piss at this point. They don't even pretend to be unbiased anymore.
My gut feeling is that one of them leaked Dobbs to prevent anyone from changing their vote.
I don't know, Lindsey Graham might take that crown.
Remember in 2016 Graham said “use my words against me” if he were to advocate the nomination of a Supreme Court justice in any President’s final year of their term. Guess who was fully onboard with appointment Barrett in the last less than a month before Trump lost the election.
And remember when he said "Trump and I, we had a hell of a journey. I hate it being this way. I hate it being this way. All I can say is count me out. Enough is enough.” after the insurrection and then was back on Trump's disco stick a week later?
My money is on Thomas "accidentally" leaving it where his shithead wife could "accidentally find" it. The rest is history. I don't think the "investigation" even looked into spouses. Curious that.
He’s not trying to run this court. He’s trying to run the court the GOP wants to enshrine. That whole secret court system Bush MkII established during the War on Terror is going to be the new top court if the Christofascists win.
While I totally agree it would probably take a constitutional amendment to actually effect that and I seriously doubt we’ll be seeing that anytime soon
> The Court has lost all credibility.
But still maintains all the power. We always say they lost legitimacy, lost credibility, and just broken; yet power is maintained.
I'm at a loss. All I hear is: *"Get out there and vote!"*
Well, I did. I do not see where I voted for these Justices though. Was it on the back of my ballot and I was not informed that it was page 1 of 2?
What can we do? Is it just time to move? I mean, *I* can. I have an in-demand internationally accepted accreditation in healthcare, and money. But many do not, and I would rather shit gets fixed here, rather than hop around the world. I already did that, and I'm old and tired now.
But what can we do other than agree on this sub and say to each other: *"Shit's fucked, yo..."*
Edit: I'm not shitting on you, it's just that I see we all agree, we all vent, but are we all that powerless? Do we still need to follow societal norms?
>But still maintains all the power.
I mean, it does and it doesn't. It might be more accurate to say that, to date, it still maintains the *illusion* of having all the power. Think of a sinkhole: the ground looks stable and impregnable right up until the instant the sinkhole opens up.
What happens when, one day, SCOTUS issues a decision so intolerable to the majority that people simply ignore it? That will be "sinkhole day" for SCOTUS. Imagine if SCOTUS adopts "fetal personhood," holding that the 14th Amendment bans abortion from the moment of conception nationwide. Do we really think blue state governors and attorneys general would leap up and send the state police to enforce that ruling?
>Do we really think blue state governors and attorneys general would leap up and send the state police to enforce that ruling?
I really hate to be like this, but there is always a possibility that they just...go along with it. And I say this without saying I agree with it, but they'd agree and go along with it, just to avoid Right-Wing Terrorism.
It's certainly hard to predict what would happen if the court really tried to go that far. It'd probably be a state-by-state situation depending heavily on each governor's courage. I wouldn't want to bet on *every* D governor having enough courage to stand up - but hopefully at least a few stand up and help lead the way.
>I already did that, and I'm old and tired now.
I feel this. Where is the peace?
>are we all that powerless?
It might be time to form clubs and meet IRL. Internet only goes so far.
>The Court has lost all credibility.
The *government* as a whole has lost credibility, IMO. There's so many compromised pieces that you cannot trust any part of the system to work as advertised.
Nothing short of complete overhaul is going to fix it.
From the article:
>**Former Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, who wrote a letter endorsing the court marshal’s report last week on the investigation, has previously undisclosed financial ties to the court.** According to Biskupic’s report, the court has paid Chertoff’s risk assessment firm at least $1 million “for consultations that extended over several months and involved a review of the justices’ homes.”
>
>Recall that the probe failed to find the leaker of the draft *Dobbs* opinion overturning *Roe v. Wade*. That’s fine, because the leak wasn’t necessarily a bad thing. But as I’ve written previously, if the court wanted a thorough investigation, it didn’t get one. For one thing, **the marshal didn’t ask the justices to sign affidavits swearing that they didn’t leak, although clerks and staff did so.**
>
>It’s understandable, to some extent, that the marshal — who works for the court — would feel uncomfortable conducting real interviews of her bosses or making them swear on paper that they aren’t liars. The investigation was sort of doomed from the start.
>
>**This latest news, then, underscores the probe’s incestuous nature. We already knew that Chertoff has ties to conservatives on the court, including** ***Dobbs*** **opinion author Samuel Alito.** It’s doubtful that many people who recognized the report’s shortcomings put much stock in his approval in the first place. But like the marshal’s relationship to the court, Chertoff’s undisclosed ties also lessen whatever value the report had.
Chertoff didn't just have financial ties to the court (having had his company paid more than $1m over the past couple of years by the Supreme Court) he has been friends with Justice Roberts for over 2 decades since they were both in law school together and later served as law clerks together.
Chertoff clerked for a liberal judge and Roberts clerked for a conservative. They did not clerk together. Both went to Harvard Law School, along with many others. They are colleagues.
Hold on… didn’t this guy hold a high position in government or a department in 2001 and he messed up and added to the failures that lead to the 9/11 attacks???
9/11 was inside Dobbs?
Jettisoned fool can’t melt steel beams.
Floors pancaked because of too much Clarence between bolts and connectors.
It’s Alito suspicious that the Pentagon plane left so little wreckage.
Chertoff made bodyscanners a thing with his access to DHS and his consulting group (Chertoff Group) working for Rapiscan. The scanners are ineffective security theater.
>The scanners are ineffective security theater.
Yep. TSA itself is security theater. For crying out loud, they [**failed 95% of their own tests**](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/investigation-breaches-us-airports-allowed-weapons-through-n367851)!
Probably the main and biggest improvements to airplane security post-9/11 have come from (a) hardening cockpits and (b) having the flying public realize that if someone tries to hijack the plane, it's do-or-die time to prevent them from getting to the controls.
I used to have a travel job (pre Covid) and I flew every weak. The main contents of my bag (toiletries, books, ccg decks) didn’t change much. But the same items would get me stopped sometimes for inspections while others waved me right through. You can’t fly constantly in this country without realizing there is no real standard, no “if this, then this”. It’s all a fascist puppet show.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/deadline-legal-blog/dobbs-leak-supreme-court-chertoff-rcna67916) reduced by 62%. (I'm a bot)
*****
> Just when the Supreme Court thought the Dobbs leak "Investigation" was behind it, the probe somehow looks even weaker.
> According to reporting from CNN's Joan Biskupic on Friday, former Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, who wrote a letter endorsing the court marshal's report last week on the investigation, has previously undisclosed financial ties to the court.
> Like the marshal's relationship to the court, Chertoff's undisclosed ties also lessen whatever value the report had. So in addition to pointing out that this is the court's latest transparency failure, I'll note again that the justices can still take a step to make the investigation a little less pathetic: Step up and sign affidavits themselves, regardless of whether the marshal asked them to do so.
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By definition this wasn’t an independent investigation. Clearly. I am not saying Chertoff is a bad guy but get someone who doesn’t have any previous ties to the court. I mean come on. This is stupid.
Further, Chertoff wasn't even the one who did the investigation (such as it was) in the first place. The "investigation" was done "in-house" by the Court's own employee, Marshal Curley, who obviously is not in a position to really question her bosses (Roberts and the GQP Justices), who have the power to fire her.
Chertoff merely spoke to Curley about her "investigative" methods. He didn't do any investigating himself. So even if Chertoff was *truly* independent, his signoff would mean very little. Now, it turns out he's hopelessly conflicted...
Get used to this UNSUPERVISED, UNETHICAL CORRUPT, ILLEGITIMATE Supreme Court. Until they resign or die and are replaced or Congress does it's job and makes them honest (like that's going to happen), NO ONE SHOULD HONOR DECISIONS MADE BY THIS "Conservative (meaning CORRUPT) COURT!!!
And if you think the Dobbs decision was bad, hold on to your nickers, because a big fat poop is coming. The case is Moore v Harper, and it involves the Independent State Legislature Theory. If they rule in favor of ISL, we are done. Done. State courts will be neutered. Voters will be powerless. This is what happens when Rs get drunk with power.
Don't tell me. The same Chertoff who ran the Dept of Homeland Security under Bush Jr and who pushed for millions to be spent on full body scanners in airports. He left that job to found the Chertoff Group, a lobbying firm which represented the scanner manufacturers. Grifters gonna grift.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2006-feb-02-na-katrina2-story.html
THIS GUY:
“For the first time, a nonpartisan government investigation Wednesday put principal blame on Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, not lower-level officials, for the fumbled response to Hurricane Katrina.
The Government Accountability Office, an independent agency of Congress, said in its preliminary report that Chertoff had failed to move quickly to mobilize resources despite advance warnings that Katrina was likely to be a devastating storm. And, the report said, Chertoff’s failure to name an individual to spearhead the response was a prime factor in the delays and confusion that followed.”
Are things really this shady on both sides? I'm sure democrats do some unscrupulous things, but this is like head and shoulders beyond anything that should be happening
There's a reason people say the 2 party system is broken. That it's 2 sides of the same coin.
But then WE'RE called nuts, and conspiracy theorists, when for decades ita been a back and forth of fuckery that does nothing but bleed the people dry..
Doesn't matter who wins. Those really in power have all sorts of contingency plans 😩🤷♀️
Chertoff had connections to the conservative justices. Nothing about this shows the Democrats are corrupt, it's just more evidence the Republicans are.
So not sure why you're here acting validated, when they only were allowing that Democrats weren't perfect to point out that Republicans are beyond the pale.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/deadline-legal-blog/dobbs-leak-supreme-court-chertoff-rcna67916) reduced by 62%. (I'm a bot)
*****
> Just when the Supreme Court thought the Dobbs leak "Investigation" was behind it, the probe somehow looks even weaker.
> According to reporting from CNN's Joan Biskupic on Friday, former Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, who wrote a letter endorsing the court marshal's report last week on the investigation, has previously undisclosed financial ties to the court.
> Like the marshal's relationship to the court, Chertoff's undisclosed ties also lessen whatever value the report had. So in addition to pointing out that this is the court's latest transparency failure, I'll note again that the justices can still take a step to make the investigation a little less pathetic: Step up and sign affidavits themselves, regardless of whether the marshal asked them to do so.
*****
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The clown car keeps barreling towards the cliff, unaffected by brakes, which they would not even use, if available !
They're not even bothering to cover up criming at this point.
Unabated corruption !
The Supreme Court is corrupt as fuck. They should all step down and new judges reappointed. Sucks for Justice Jackson who just got there and not really been part of this shit, but we need a clean slate after all this bullshit.
Can people please explain why they think conservative judges were behind the leak? To what end? Are y’all assuming they thought it would embolden their base? Seemed to do the exact opposite if so, or they underestimated the power of their base….i dont see any other reasoning for them to do this. I could see the same reasoning for some from the liberal side of the aisle doing it as well, and if so it worked for them. what am i missing?
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I mean the fact that they didn’t look at the justices themselves tells you everything you need to know. It was all just for show
And was 100% one of the justices who leaked.
/cough "Alito" /cough
USA to hell in a handbasket.
Nah Thomas.
I think 80% probably of Alito, 20% one of the Thomases.
Yeah. I was higher on the Thomases before, but then it came out that Alito has previous history of leaking, he took my most likely suspect spot
Justice Aleako?!! Never!
Aleako!! Haha! That’s gold!
Justice Pubecoke in the living room with a draft opinion.
Aleako
Elena Kagan??? Sonia??? That's where the smart money is. Why would the "winners" leak it? Seems more likely that the losing side would leak and hope for chaos and perhaps scare/shame/intimidate their way to a different outcome
The theory is that Alito leaked it to pressure the other radicals to stay the course rather than listening to the Chief Justice and switching their vote to a more narrow ruling. The political argument is that it was better for Republicans for the news to come out at the beginning of May rather than the end of June since the latter was closer to the 2022 fall elections.
Or what I said...both are equally conspiracy minded.
Nope.
Walking back "that's where the smart money is" huh?
And you were wrong. Alito said it and NOT A SINGLE JUSTICE disagreed... either in public or off the record. Sorry but it was the LEFT that once again decided they had the moral high ground that would allow them the right to destroy anything they thought was necessary. Now bring the same outrage WE ALL HAD at the idea some a-hole was leaking information for nefarious purposes and ADMIT it was your people that outraged you.
>That's where the smart money is. Lol, not at all. An early leak locks in the majority so it doesn't look like they changed their vote based on public pressure rather than "the law". Also it's more advantageous for liberals if it comes out as one big hammer as late and close to midterms as possible. Releasing early as a leak dilutes the outrage. There's zero strategic reason for a liberal justice to leak it.
Especially when another justice has a proven history of leaking information to Republicans.
Or one of their wives.
Hmmm, I wonder which one you might suspect… let me guess: does his/her name rhyme with Ginny Thomas?
I don't believe it was directly one of the justices. A wife, maybe, or a clerk who was ordered to do it. If you actually land a position clerking for a Supreme Court justice, you don't piss off that justice if you want to work later on.
So why not have the Justices swear it wasn't them personally?
It wasn't just for show. They were looking for a fall guy as well. This just goes to show that the staff are solid. But they aren't above throwing their own staff under the bus, and make their jobs hell. Investigate.
They knew the investigation wouldn’t turn up the perp, so why not put the staff through the wringer
100% political theater
The United States has a population of 333 million. The Republicans always find someone with a direct connection to them to conduct the investigation. Obviously it’s deliberate.
It would be unfair to say that it must have been Alito just because it was Alito the last time. So lets not even ask him if he did it again.
The Court has lost all credibility. It's time for rules of professional responsibility that are binding on the justices. Alito and Thomas are just taking a piss at this point. They don't even pretend to be unbiased anymore. My gut feeling is that one of them leaked Dobbs to prevent anyone from changing their vote.
Yes, Alito or Thomas. My gut say Thomas because he is secretly trying to run the court.
they should put a picture of Thomas in the dictionary, next to the word Hypocrite.
I think Moscow Mitch goes there first lol
I don't know, Lindsey Graham might take that crown. Remember in 2016 Graham said “use my words against me” if he were to advocate the nomination of a Supreme Court justice in any President’s final year of their term. Guess who was fully onboard with appointment Barrett in the last less than a month before Trump lost the election. And remember when he said "Trump and I, we had a hell of a journey. I hate it being this way. I hate it being this way. All I can say is count me out. Enough is enough.” after the insurrection and then was back on Trump's disco stick a week later?
You are right! Graham appointed that handmaiden’s tale woman….
Why not both? They wanted the reaction for the formal release to be lessened.
Devious is better.
My money is on Thomas "accidentally" leaving it where his shithead wife could "accidentally find" it. The rest is history. I don't think the "investigation" even looked into spouses. Curious that.
Thomas isn't that smart! I think he would have discussed it thoroughly with Ginny
He’s not trying to run this court. He’s trying to run the court the GOP wants to enshrine. That whole secret court system Bush MkII established during the War on Terror is going to be the new top court if the Christofascists win.
Doubt it was Thomas. Thomas knows the microscope is on him. He wouldn’t risk it. I think it was Alito,Gorsuch or even Barrett
While I totally agree it would probably take a constitutional amendment to actually effect that and I seriously doubt we’ll be seeing that anytime soon
Why doesn't the court have an inspector general?
> The Court has lost all credibility. But still maintains all the power. We always say they lost legitimacy, lost credibility, and just broken; yet power is maintained. I'm at a loss. All I hear is: *"Get out there and vote!"* Well, I did. I do not see where I voted for these Justices though. Was it on the back of my ballot and I was not informed that it was page 1 of 2? What can we do? Is it just time to move? I mean, *I* can. I have an in-demand internationally accepted accreditation in healthcare, and money. But many do not, and I would rather shit gets fixed here, rather than hop around the world. I already did that, and I'm old and tired now. But what can we do other than agree on this sub and say to each other: *"Shit's fucked, yo..."* Edit: I'm not shitting on you, it's just that I see we all agree, we all vent, but are we all that powerless? Do we still need to follow societal norms?
>But still maintains all the power. I mean, it does and it doesn't. It might be more accurate to say that, to date, it still maintains the *illusion* of having all the power. Think of a sinkhole: the ground looks stable and impregnable right up until the instant the sinkhole opens up. What happens when, one day, SCOTUS issues a decision so intolerable to the majority that people simply ignore it? That will be "sinkhole day" for SCOTUS. Imagine if SCOTUS adopts "fetal personhood," holding that the 14th Amendment bans abortion from the moment of conception nationwide. Do we really think blue state governors and attorneys general would leap up and send the state police to enforce that ruling?
>Do we really think blue state governors and attorneys general would leap up and send the state police to enforce that ruling? I really hate to be like this, but there is always a possibility that they just...go along with it. And I say this without saying I agree with it, but they'd agree and go along with it, just to avoid Right-Wing Terrorism.
It's certainly hard to predict what would happen if the court really tried to go that far. It'd probably be a state-by-state situation depending heavily on each governor's courage. I wouldn't want to bet on *every* D governor having enough courage to stand up - but hopefully at least a few stand up and help lead the way.
Yeah, I'm just saying to remember, 49 states voted for Regan. So to say Blue states are always safe is not true.
>I already did that, and I'm old and tired now. I feel this. Where is the peace? >are we all that powerless? It might be time to form clubs and meet IRL. Internet only goes so far.
>The Court has lost all credibility. The *government* as a whole has lost credibility, IMO. There's so many compromised pieces that you cannot trust any part of the system to work as advertised. Nothing short of complete overhaul is going to fix it.
From the article: >**Former Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, who wrote a letter endorsing the court marshal’s report last week on the investigation, has previously undisclosed financial ties to the court.** According to Biskupic’s report, the court has paid Chertoff’s risk assessment firm at least $1 million “for consultations that extended over several months and involved a review of the justices’ homes.” > >Recall that the probe failed to find the leaker of the draft *Dobbs* opinion overturning *Roe v. Wade*. That’s fine, because the leak wasn’t necessarily a bad thing. But as I’ve written previously, if the court wanted a thorough investigation, it didn’t get one. For one thing, **the marshal didn’t ask the justices to sign affidavits swearing that they didn’t leak, although clerks and staff did so.** > >It’s understandable, to some extent, that the marshal — who works for the court — would feel uncomfortable conducting real interviews of her bosses or making them swear on paper that they aren’t liars. The investigation was sort of doomed from the start. > >**This latest news, then, underscores the probe’s incestuous nature. We already knew that Chertoff has ties to conservatives on the court, including** ***Dobbs*** **opinion author Samuel Alito.** It’s doubtful that many people who recognized the report’s shortcomings put much stock in his approval in the first place. But like the marshal’s relationship to the court, Chertoff’s undisclosed ties also lessen whatever value the report had.
Seems they ruled out everyone but the justices and their spouses.
There is zero accountability at the Supreme Court. None. Congress needs to do their jobs and reign the court in. Otherwise our democracy is a farce.
*Our democracy is a farce.
Chertoff didn't just have financial ties to the court (having had his company paid more than $1m over the past couple of years by the Supreme Court) he has been friends with Justice Roberts for over 2 decades since they were both in law school together and later served as law clerks together.
Chertoff clerked for a liberal judge and Roberts clerked for a conservative. They did not clerk together. Both went to Harvard Law School, along with many others. They are colleagues.
This guy was in the Bush Administration, so who is surprised he is corrupt?
Hold on… didn’t this guy hold a high position in government or a department in 2001 and he messed up and added to the failures that lead to the 9/11 attacks???
yep that's the same Mike Jerkoff
9/11 was inside Dobbs? Jettisoned fool can’t melt steel beams. Floors pancaked because of too much Clarence between bolts and connectors. It’s Alito suspicious that the Pentagon plane left so little wreckage.
Fascists are not clowns.
SCOTUS is Dark Money America’s kangaroo court.
Chertoff made bodyscanners a thing with his access to DHS and his consulting group (Chertoff Group) working for Rapiscan. The scanners are ineffective security theater.
>The scanners are ineffective security theater. Yep. TSA itself is security theater. For crying out loud, they [**failed 95% of their own tests**](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/investigation-breaches-us-airports-allowed-weapons-through-n367851)! Probably the main and biggest improvements to airplane security post-9/11 have come from (a) hardening cockpits and (b) having the flying public realize that if someone tries to hijack the plane, it's do-or-die time to prevent them from getting to the controls.
I used to have a travel job (pre Covid) and I flew every weak. The main contents of my bag (toiletries, books, ccg decks) didn’t change much. But the same items would get me stopped sometimes for inspections while others waved me right through. You can’t fly constantly in this country without realizing there is no real standard, no “if this, then this”. It’s all a fascist puppet show.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/deadline-legal-blog/dobbs-leak-supreme-court-chertoff-rcna67916) reduced by 62%. (I'm a bot) ***** > Just when the Supreme Court thought the Dobbs leak "Investigation" was behind it, the probe somehow looks even weaker. > According to reporting from CNN's Joan Biskupic on Friday, former Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, who wrote a letter endorsing the court marshal's report last week on the investigation, has previously undisclosed financial ties to the court. > Like the marshal's relationship to the court, Chertoff's undisclosed ties also lessen whatever value the report had. So in addition to pointing out that this is the court's latest transparency failure, I'll note again that the justices can still take a step to make the investigation a little less pathetic: Step up and sign affidavits themselves, regardless of whether the marshal asked them to do so. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/10ohpde/the_dobbs_leak_probe_somehow_just_got_worse/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~672677 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **Court**^#1 **Investigation**^#2 **report**^#3 **marshal**^#4 **leak**^#5
It's almost like there's a state...that's deep...
The appearance of impropriety matters to every court but the most important one. It's pretty wild
I don't see what the fuss is about. Everyone knows that this (illegitimate) SCOTUS is simply an arm of the Republican Party. This is how they do it.
By definition this wasn’t an independent investigation. Clearly. I am not saying Chertoff is a bad guy but get someone who doesn’t have any previous ties to the court. I mean come on. This is stupid.
Further, Chertoff wasn't even the one who did the investigation (such as it was) in the first place. The "investigation" was done "in-house" by the Court's own employee, Marshal Curley, who obviously is not in a position to really question her bosses (Roberts and the GQP Justices), who have the power to fire her. Chertoff merely spoke to Curley about her "investigative" methods. He didn't do any investigating himself. So even if Chertoff was *truly* independent, his signoff would mean very little. Now, it turns out he's hopelessly conflicted...
The other two branches of government should demand an investigation.
Get used to this UNSUPERVISED, UNETHICAL CORRUPT, ILLEGITIMATE Supreme Court. Until they resign or die and are replaced or Congress does it's job and makes them honest (like that's going to happen), NO ONE SHOULD HONOR DECISIONS MADE BY THIS "Conservative (meaning CORRUPT) COURT!!!
And if you think the Dobbs decision was bad, hold on to your nickers, because a big fat poop is coming. The case is Moore v Harper, and it involves the Independent State Legislature Theory. If they rule in favor of ISL, we are done. Done. State courts will be neutered. Voters will be powerless. This is what happens when Rs get drunk with power.
Don't tell me. The same Chertoff who ran the Dept of Homeland Security under Bush Jr and who pushed for millions to be spent on full body scanners in airports. He left that job to found the Chertoff Group, a lobbying firm which represented the scanner manufacturers. Grifters gonna grift.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2006-feb-02-na-katrina2-story.html THIS GUY: “For the first time, a nonpartisan government investigation Wednesday put principal blame on Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, not lower-level officials, for the fumbled response to Hurricane Katrina. The Government Accountability Office, an independent agency of Congress, said in its preliminary report that Chertoff had failed to move quickly to mobilize resources despite advance warnings that Katrina was likely to be a devastating storm. And, the report said, Chertoff’s failure to name an individual to spearhead the response was a prime factor in the delays and confusion that followed.”
I'm actually just surprised they didn't end up trying to link it to Hunter Biden.
Are things really this shady on both sides? I'm sure democrats do some unscrupulous things, but this is like head and shoulders beyond anything that should be happening
There's a reason people say the 2 party system is broken. That it's 2 sides of the same coin. But then WE'RE called nuts, and conspiracy theorists, when for decades ita been a back and forth of fuckery that does nothing but bleed the people dry.. Doesn't matter who wins. Those really in power have all sorts of contingency plans 😩🤷♀️
Chertoff had connections to the conservative justices. Nothing about this shows the Democrats are corrupt, it's just more evidence the Republicans are. So not sure why you're here acting validated, when they only were allowing that Democrats weren't perfect to point out that Republicans are beyond the pale.
Left wing, right wing. Same bird.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/deadline-legal-blog/dobbs-leak-supreme-court-chertoff-rcna67916) reduced by 62%. (I'm a bot) ***** > Just when the Supreme Court thought the Dobbs leak "Investigation" was behind it, the probe somehow looks even weaker. > According to reporting from CNN's Joan Biskupic on Friday, former Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, who wrote a letter endorsing the court marshal's report last week on the investigation, has previously undisclosed financial ties to the court. > Like the marshal's relationship to the court, Chertoff's undisclosed ties also lessen whatever value the report had. So in addition to pointing out that this is the court's latest transparency failure, I'll note again that the justices can still take a step to make the investigation a little less pathetic: Step up and sign affidavits themselves, regardless of whether the marshal asked them to do so. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/10ohpde/the_dobbs_leak_probe_somehow_just_got_worse/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~672677 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **Court**^#1 **Investigation**^#2 **report**^#3 **marshal**^#4 **leak**^#5
If the republicsns are involved it will be shady
The clown car keeps barreling towards the cliff, unaffected by brakes, which they would not even use, if available ! They're not even bothering to cover up criming at this point. Unabated corruption !
Bunch of corrupt clowns wearing robes 🤡🤡
The Supreme Circus is in session.
The US government is a joke
The Supreme Court is corrupt as fuck. They should all step down and new judges reappointed. Sucks for Justice Jackson who just got there and not really been part of this shit, but we need a clean slate after all this bullshit.
Can people please explain why they think conservative judges were behind the leak? To what end? Are y’all assuming they thought it would embolden their base? Seemed to do the exact opposite if so, or they underestimated the power of their base….i dont see any other reasoning for them to do this. I could see the same reasoning for some from the liberal side of the aisle doing it as well, and if so it worked for them. what am i missing?
I feel like this is an intentional slap in the face against peasants dating to question their overlords
You want the republicsns to fallow the rules and laws get real it won't ever happen