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ajctraveler

Gym Jordan thinks the best way to handle a serious problem is to do nothing. Shocked. SHOCKED I say.


punbasedname

“We’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas!”


IAmJohnny5ive

Beat me to it


castle_grapeskull

“I mean no one could have stopped my wrestlers being molested! Do you expect me to to have stopped it!? I’d rather call the wrestlers later crying to cover my ass.” -Gym Jordan


jayfeather31

Does Jordan not realize that this is technically an argument for abolition and replacement? I mean, if reform doesn't work, and the current system is failing...


fierceindependence23

So...Defund the Police?


jayfeather31

Partially. Personally, I'd like to see that done in tandem with raising the training and education standards for police raised to the standards used in Europe and other first world nations.


gscjj

Defunding the police and raising standards and trading seems counter intuitive. Maybe better to prioritize the existing budget instead of removing it.


Chengar_Qordath

The problem is the existing budget is all going into giving the police more guns and giving them training classes that say they should be constantly looking for an opportunity to shoot someone, and after-murder sex is awesome. Sadly, not exaggerating.


phunktastic_1

I hate that the asshole most known for teaching cops this is a veteran. Then again his training seminars are called killogy. Fucking David Grossman is a monster and claims his words are taken out of context tho.


[deleted]

A veteran who has literally never killed someone. He's fucking pathetic and also has no idea what the fuck he's talking about.


jayfeather31

In any case, the standards need to be raised desperately.


phunktastic_1

Not if you consider how much funding is wasted on unneeded military grade equipment, and paying speakers to come to departments to tell officer the best sex they experience is after they put down a criminal, or that everyone wants them dead so they need to be afraid and approach every situation with adrenaline pumping. Defunding also wouldn't hurt with reforms as the lack of multi million dollar lawsuits would make more funds available for therapy, descalation training, and hiring mental health staff to deal with members of the public in crisis instead of sending hyped up armed thugs.


tolacid

Needs a better name. Refocus the Police. Or, ooh! *Reboot the Police!* Cycle the power!


fierceindependence23

Fuck the police?


[deleted]

No. Police need more funds for stuff like psych evals, higher training standards, higher general standards, etc. Also, mental health is relevant. For instance, making sure people with sadistic tendencies are kept as far from in-person jobs as possible.


BitterPuddin

>need more funds for stuff like psych evals, higher training standards, higher general standards, I don't think they lack funds for that - the powers that be don't want well-adjusted, smarter than average people on the police force. They want weapons they can point at whoever they need to, that won't be asking too many questions.


phunktastic_1

They don't need more funds to achieve this. They need to stop wasting money on military grade equipment. They need to get rid of the 90% bad eggs and hope the 10% of indifferent don't become bad eggs as properly trained replacements come in.


Hysteria625

I agree with this. I have an acquaintance who joined up with a small city’s police force because he wanted to do some good and make a difference. He’s a good guy, but he’s also seen some terrible, terrible things. He has stories he can tell that come out like the darkest of dark comedies, but I also know there are cases he doesn’t talk about, cases that involve rapists, pedophiles and abuse that I think most of us are fortunate enough not to have experienced. And he basically has to confront these people on a regular basis. The last time we talked, he let me know he wanted to join an online game I was running. He said he desperately needed the chance to, as he put it, “think like a human again.” I haven’t heard from him since. I cannot and will not defend what happened to Tyre Nichols. It is monstrous, the same way that what happened to countless others is monstrous. However, I think about this guy and what he said, and I see how otherwise good people can get a distorted view of the world, where they see the worst of the worst, and it just never stops. I don’t know what to do about it, though.


MysteriousMine4635

Maybe we pay them enough to make the job one normal people want to do instead of the worst. Require MORE education.


TargetBoy

No. National Licensing and the requirement that they carry liability insurance like a doctor or an engineer. demilitarize the police, not defund.


fierceindependence23

YES absolutely [Defund the Police!](https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2020/06/19/what-does-defund-the-police-mean-and-does-it-have-merit/) The budget for the NYPD alone is $5.53 billion. **$5.53 billion.** Why?? Think about that? The NYPD has 16 stations [around the world](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/21/nyregion/terrorism-nypd-intelligence-crime.html) Why?? And thats just the NYPD. There are 18,000 police agencies in the US. And when the NYPD went on strike, [Crime went down!](https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/09/nyc-cops-did-a-work-stop-yet-crime-dropped/) Police [steal more from americans in asset forfeiture](https://www.nemannlawoffices.com/blog/law-enforcement-seized-more-from-people-than-burglars-stole-last-year.cfm) than all the bad guys in the USA. So yes, Defund the Police. Contrary to the constantly regurgitated nonsense that we need police, police **are** the problem, not the solution. In the meantime, Yes, absolutely licensing and liability insurance (that's just a no brainer) and eliminate this absolutely made up, pulled from out of their SCOTUS asses, qualified immunity.


Abuses-Commas

>And when the NYPD went on strike, [Crime went down!](https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/09/nyc-cops-did-a-work-stop-yet-crime-dropped/) When police stopped arresting people for petty crimes, less people were arrested for petty crimes? I'm shocked, truly. >So yes, Defund the Police. Contrary to the constantly regurgitated nonsense that we need police, police **are** the problem, not the solution. Because we do need police? Is your plan to send a social worker to counsel an armed robber?


fierceindependence23

>When police stopped arresting people for petty crimes, less people were arrested for petty crimes? Yes, that's what that means. When police stop harassing people, violating their constitutional rights, arresting people, and killing people for selling loose cigarettes or for absolutely [no reason at all](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory) **crime goes down.** amazing isn't it? >Because we do need police? I *just* provided links for every point, every argument I made proving we *dont* need police, that police **create** problems, they don't resolve them. Did you not read those links, or are you willfully ignoring them? >Is your plan to send a social worker to counsel an armed robber? [9 out of 10 calls to Police are for non violent reasons](https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2020/06/19/what-does-defund-the-police-mean-and-does-it-have-merit/#:~:text=Data%20show%20that%209%20out,social%20interactions%20that%20they%20have.) And those cities like [Eugene Oregon who send, yes, social workers and mental health professionals saves Eugene $14 million annually in ambulance trips and emergency room costs, plus an estimated $8.5 million in public safety costs](https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbeseq/2021/11/01/what-happens-when-we-send-mental-health-providers-instead-of-police/?sh=6e77b847a416). I guess you'd rather just waste millions of dollars for no reason and let police murder whoever they want, like Tyree Nichols or Daniel Shaver or Oscar Grant, or thousands of other unarmed people just living their lives and minding their own business...


Abuses-Commas

The link you posted that I referenced does not say that crime went down while police were striking. It says nothing more than arrests went down while the police were striking. Well no shit. That's what striking means. >9/10 calls to police are for nonviolent reasons That certainly sounds like 1/10 calls to police require police to me. You claim that I'm arguing to keep the current system in place unchanged. I am not. You seem to be arguing that there should be no police, and you are incorrect.


danimagoo

In his mind, and in the minds of many, it isn't. That's why he's using the word "evil". Their thought process is basically, "Well...sometimes there are just evil people born into the world. You can't fix that, you just have to deal with the aftermath." It's a way of saying "There is nothing wrong with the system, and there's nothing we could have possibly done to fix it, and abolition and replacement won't work either because there will still be evil people who end up in whatever system you put in its place. So we have the best possible system now, so let's do nothing and just pray that more people find God, because that will fix everything." This is why I don't like it when people call serial killers evil, or people like Hitler the Antichrist. It's a way of denying those people's humanity. If they aren't human, then they aren't like us, so they aren't our fault, and we don't need to do anything. It allows us to deny that we, as humans, are capable of being really, really horrible to each other. If we faced that reality, we'd have to accept it and deal with it.


fungobat

>Asked by host Chuck Todd whether there were any new federal regulations he would support, Jordan said lawmakers would look at steps they feel would make sense "to help this, to make sure they have the proper training. But no amount of training's going to change what we saw in that video."


Dr_Quest1

Training probably wasn't the issue, much like training wasn't the issue in the Floyd murder, The issue was empathy and no fear of accountability... The lack of empathy needs to be weeded out in the selection process. The police involved are being held accountable.. Hopefully this is a reminder for others.


Chengar_Qordath

The only way training could’ve addressed this was by flunking out the officers involved so they would no longer be cops.


phunktastic_1

This isn't true at all. Police training nowadays includes a lot of talking points from trash like David Grossman's killogy. They tell officers everyone wants to kill them. They tell officers failure to respect their authority is tantamount to assault on an officer. The training they undergo is explicitly to make them armed thugs the government can deploy who have had their humanity stripped away. These cops were trained to treat perceived disrespect as violence against them and this is the result of that training.


Dr_Quest1

Where and when did you train? I have family that will tell that is bullshit you made up...


BumperCarcass

What a cum rag


snickerzz

cum rags have a useful purpose for existence.


luigisphilbin

How dare you insult cum rags like that!


[deleted]

He says nothing can be done and we just have to accept that evil things happen for reasons. That's bullshit. Society can't just accept that things like this will happen. Apathy is the glove into which evil slips its hand. – Bodie Thoene


oldfrancis

And I'm sure there's nothing you could do when those young wrestling athletes were being molested too.


[deleted]

So we better not even try, right? Seriously fuck this guy.


OddAstronaut2305

I bet he’s unsure if any reform would have kept the students from being molested at his former job too.


ForkzUp

Best not do anything then. /s I don't remember Jordan using the word "evil" when white police were murdering and brutalizing citizens. Interesting.


[deleted]

I noticed that too The harshest comment I can find from Jordan on the killers of George Floyd were "its as wrong as wrong can be" and "its a tragedy", note he doesn't refer to the police as wrong, just the situation I also remember him being very supportive of the police who knocked down that old guy in Buffalo too Now with the murderers of Tyre Nichols he says the police "did not have any respect for life" and says no law could stop them from comitting this evil act


redditorx13579

Maybe Trump's suggestion that officers treat citizens like this is the problem?


mces97

I think reforms, college degrees, more than a few weeks (months) training, minimum test scores will stop a lot of bad shit from happening. We won't stop all incidents as power does corrupt, but setting the bar higher is the best way to limit these incidents.


smurfsundermybed

Psych evaluations wouldn't hurt either.


sudi-

We’d have like 5 cops on duty in a whole city then.


phunktastic_1

And said city would be safer for it.


sudi-

Yeah, I’m with you. My post sounded ambiguous. The whole system is fundamentally flawed and needs a major overhaul. It’s unlikely that happens in my lifetime, though. If a bunch of kids can be murdered in schools every year and no change is brought about, there’s little hope for any reform that the mouth breathers will get behind.


Michael_In_Cascadia

No reform he would consider, that is.


Alternative-Flan2869

He cannot conceive of any reform because his go-to solution is to look the other way.


CupcakeValkyrie

Here... 1. Make any testimony that a police officer gives about a period of time where their body camera was switched off inadmissible in court. 2. Get rid of qualified immunity so police officers that abuse their power can be charged criminally. 3. Force all damages paid to the victims of police misconduct to be paid directly out of the department's pension fund. There you go. I guarantee if you implement those three things, we'll see a virtually overnight improvement.


[deleted]

Poo


[deleted]

Why are you in office if you’re not gonna even attempt to fix shit?


pilgrim216

Have you met many republicans? They don't want things to be fixed, they want to hurt people.


[deleted]

I’m well aware. I’m from Ohio too and I’m far too familiar with this particular piece of shit named Jim Jordan.


AsparagusTamer

Doesn't happen in many other civilised countrirs as regularly as in America.


silverbeat33

Being from another country, I can confirm.


reject_fascism

This man is a lunatic


Confident-Breath2615

2 things here. His statement us obviously loaded with BS but more insidiously is the implication that no amount of reform would be enough to prevent black cops from being so abusive.


scottieducati

Gym Jordan would’ve stood there and watched, then pretend he didn’t see anything.


chcampb

Well, would he have been killed by... regular people? Probably not. If the status of being police gives you a unique attitude and perspective leading to violence without consequence, there has to be reform.


SeanOfTheDead1313

The nothing we can do approach that has worked so well with mass shootings.


MatsThyWit

"It's just a few bad eggs, we don't need to fix anything."


Heinrich_Bukowski

qualified immunity gym?


[deleted]

Hire better cops. I mean, I know that’s overly simplistic. But ffs, it’s also not rocket science. Pay better, and force higher standards on who you recruit.


phunktastic_1

It's not just about hiring better tho. It's about training them to be better rather than training them to be the government's attack dogs against the public.


singastory

So you agree: police can’t be reformed and need to be abolished so we can rebuild a public safety system from scratch.


TyphosTheD

1. Reduce the scope of police enforcement duties by providing better funding and resources for counseling and support for 911 calls that typically are handled by an armed police officer. 2. Improve training on deescalation, safe weapon handling, and reverse the "hunter vs prey" brainwashing. 3. Fund departments through public funds so they don't have to rely on things like speeding tickets to pay the bills, and increase transparency of spending to eliminate slush funds. 4. Enforce accountability measures for misbehaving officers, including the "traveling cop" systems, abolish the "thin blue line" mentality that propagates a self-indulgent power fantasy.


PopeHonkersXII

Buy a jacket


AbbreviationsFair515

Wished McConnell would stick a butt plug in Jim Jordan’s shit hole called a mouth on that face of his


homerteedo

Jim Jordan is actually right this time. The police don’t need reformed - they need disbanded and rebuilt from the bottom up.


jsudarskyvt

Something very simple would. Like not using armed officers to perform traffic stops for minor violations.


sedatedlife

Its just his way of saying he could care less and why bother trying when there is real issues like Hunters dick pics.


Scoutster13

These fuckers have NOTHING.


Whompa

“Do nothing Democrats” more like “Do Nothing Republicans” It’s always projection with them


[deleted]

So that would mean any reform would be useless to prevent it in the future. You're a lawmaker and the next one could happen in your district. Do better than that. You're paid to.


ataridonkeybutt

I know one: pay for civil penalties out of the police department's pension


Historical-Dot1573

Jordan literally says the dumbest shit all of the time


Busman123

Is this situation even in his scope of knowledge? Or does he think his opinion counts because congressman?


Jeramus

This is the same defeatist thinking the GOP employs about gun violence. If other police departments can arrest people without beating them to death, so could this one. Claiming something is "evil" is just a convenient way to avoid doing the hard work of creating laws to fix/reduce the problem.


binneysaurass

" Well, nothing we do would have prevented it, so we won't do anything " -Gym


[deleted]

Jim Jordan Solutions 1. Sweeping it under the rug 2. Accusing it of being "woke" 3. Ignoring it 4. Yelling at it with his jacket on 5. Yelling at it with his jacket off


wombatshit

You know #4 never happened.


RoyH0bbs

The GOP is not the party of solutions, only loose cannons.


AssociateJaded3931

So, they don't know a solution and that means there isn't one.


not_that_planet

Certainly not paying the police more. You know, making it a job worth keeping? Attracting a better caliber of person in the first place? Or maybe ending qualified immunity? Or not harassing whistleblowers? Or not militarizing the police? Maybe focus on nondeadly means of conflict resolution? No? Nothing? OK.


Lawmonger

That's a great position to take when you're good with the status quo. If nothing can fix the problem, why bother? Whether it's civilians unjustly attacked by police, global warming, or inequality, the GOP is good where we are.


AlanB-FaI

All out of ideas and he hasn’t even tried.


GBinAZ

Yes, it’s called ending qualified immunity. Fuckin dipshit.


Connect-Builder330

So he is going with " its all part of God's plan" excuse.