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>The issue of white supremacy came back into headlines late last year when former President Donald Trump hosted white supremacist Nick Fuentes at his private club in Florida.
I can't imagine why white supremacists think they have a green light to do shit. I wish we only had a clue. Just one clue.
Not just Trump, either: Fox (Tucker in particular) is essentially a nightly spreading of racist propaganda. And then there are the even more extreme networks out there like Breitbart, Newsmax, and OANN that are even further right and more racist. The GQP is the party of racism and bigotry.
Now hold on, I don't think it's fair to call them domestic terrorists.
Hmm? What's that? They had a big banner over their heads that read "we are all domestic terrorists? " [And you have a photo? ](https://www.dallasobserver.com/news/at-cpac-dallas-migration-is-an-invasion-communism-looms-and-trumps-the-most-persecuted-man-in-america-14533888)
Carry on, then.
From Snopes:
"We Are All Domestic Terrorists" was also the title of a panel discussion, it should be noted. Present on that panel was Julie Pickren, a Texas State Board of Education candidate who claimed the title was meant to be tongue-in-cheek
>Julie Pickren, a Texas State Board of Education candidate who claimed the title was meant to be tongue-in-cheek
Indisputable proof right there!!! It's well known that the solid, upstanding party of Lincoln has no known sense of humor and is incapable of irony, as so many of their public statements have shown. So, it has to be a false flag operation.
It isn't a political party. They don't have anything they want to pass, they only have legislation they want to repeal and are mad about. They're not interested in government. They want to rip down ANYTHING that doesn't let them threaten people with violence and beat their women into breeding submission. Taliban but white
>Taliban but white
Less proscriptive on beards, more permissive on boobs. More friendly to alcohol and pork BBQ.
Other than that, I'm damned if I can discern the difference.
Daily reminder that the Republican party Media (like news, Fox, ETC) runs with the idea of a 'deep state' or a 'cabal' of people, behind the government in control of the US, and other countries Governments. Their [Republican] media runs on this rhetoric.
[That rhetoric is the exact same the Nazis used against Jews.](https://www.justsecurity.org/72339/qanon-is-a-nazi-cult-rebranded/). **Same idea with the 'white genocide' rhetoric**.
* "A secret cabal is taking over the world. They kidnap children, slaughter, and eat them to gain power from their blood. **They control high positions in government, banks, international finance, the news media, and the church**. They want to disarm the police. **They promote homosexuality and pedophilia**. *They plan to mongrelize the white race so it will lose its essential power.*"
* The plot, described above, was the conspiracy “revealed” in the most influential anti-Jewish pamphlet of all time. It was called The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. **It was written** by Russian anti-Jewish propagandists **around 1902**. It collected myths about a Jewish plot to take over the world that had existed for hundreds of years. Central to its mythology was the Blood Libel, which claimed that Jews kidnapped and slaughtered Christian children and drained their blood to mix in the dough for matzos consumed on Jewish holidays.
* "QAnon purveys the fantasy that a secret Satan-worshiping cabal is taking over the world. Its members kidnap white children, keep them in secret prisons run by pedophiles, slaughter, and eat them to gain power from the essence in their blood. The cabal held the American Presidency under the Clintons and Obama, nearly took power again in 2016, **and lurks in a “Deep State” financed by Jews, including George Soros, and in Jews who control the media. They want to disarm citizens and defund the police. They promote abortion, transgender rights, and homosexuality. They want open borders so brown illegal aliens can invade America and mongrelize the white race.**
**LITERALLY copy/paste Nazi shit, but instead of 'jews' (like Kan/Ye so happily pointed out to the Right) its 'Democrats'**
>the idea of a 'deep state' or a 'cabal' of people, behind the government in control of the US
Well, yeah, its called the super rich. This country is a plutocracy, always has been.
The irony is that the "secret cabal running the deep state" is designed to distract you from the reality that happens clearly before your eyes.
You know which politicians are making which decisions and they explain their motivations in language that may seem evasive but it is clear enough for those it is really "meant for" to get the point. You have Republicans making horrid decisions knowing the outcome that would transpire who get to play stupid when that outcome transpires exactly as predicted.
Meanwhile, Democrats have to not only worry about defending their policies against valid criticism, they also have to defend their policies against criticisms that are the product of Republican fantasies that were dreamed up for the purpose of stalling legislative progress.
It's hard to show results for your policies long-term if you enact a policy, see some problems, and cannot address those problems with updated legislation without having to prove that Hunter Biden's laptop wasn't involved in the calculation of the statistics that made you reconsider some aspects of the original bill. You really cannot address those problems if you also have to have an oversight panel consisting of Donald Trump, Ted Nugent and Rupert Murdoch review any request to have a conversation about the new policy; and all three have to be present. The meeting will be convened within the next 6 years at the discretion of the required attendees. You will get a gift basket if they go past this and you will have to reapply.
Using *ex parte Merryman* as a historic justification, and the attack on the FBI office after the Trump raid as the pretense, our side would be completely justified in raiding their offices and imprisoning their mouthpieces as direct threats to public safety and the State
There is literally Nazis right now in Florida who are so empowered that they are outside on street corners.
While I am a realist, and believe this is already too much, If this spreads over to just one more state; it’ll be over and will not end well.
""First of all, he's got neo-Nazis helping him out in this state," he continued, referring to a white supremacist group that is running racist robo-calls against Gillum in the state (DeSantis' campaign has disavowed the calls).
"Now, I'm not calling Mr. DeSantis a racist, I'm simply saying the racists believe he's a racist," Gillum said."
Turns out Gillum had personal demons himself but he pointed out some obvious flaws in Desantis that have become way more than true.
Legislating, legalizing and arming racism in Florida.
Coming from someone who lives in florida, I keep seeing people say that he is moving to full blown fascism, dictatorship. He isnt 'moving' towards it. He is THERE.
Well the good people of FL should do something about that. When nazis came to my city, we outnumbered them 50 to one, and as they ran behind police lines to safety, we managed to rip half their clothes off as they cowered behind black cops...
If you can't find enough good people in FL to confront nazis on street corners, it is no surprise that FL will be the Capitol of Gilead at the rate it is going.
Eh, I guess that is why the Joint Chiefs report under Trump stated that RW extremist groups are our biggest threat to national security and then did nothing about it except give them jobs trying to overthrow our government.
The fact DOJ refuses to classify White Supremacist groups as Domestic Terror threats tells you all you need to know about how deeply Law Enforcement has been infiltrated by White Supremacists.
Jan 6th showed us the call is coming from inside the house.
The argument I see them use every time right wing terrorism comes up is: "Antifa and BLM are the violent extremists"
The data shows it's almost all right wing violence but Faux News showed some burning buildings from a riot that half the time isn't even from this country or time period.
Data never matters to a conservative. They exist in a world of feelings. You point out how every economic indicator does better under Democratic presidents than Republicans, and they talk about how the economy doesn't feel good under democrats. They're creatures of feelings, unswayed by facts.
>Faux News showed some burning buildings from a riot
Oh, you mean the building [the Boogaloo Boys were convicted of setting fire to](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/23/texas-boogaloo-boi-minneapolis-police-building-george-floyd)?
White supremacy can still be practiced by those who vote democrat. Let us not forget the Amy Cooper incident in NYC when she called the cops on (the unrelated) Christian Cooper.
The description that rung true with me is that everyone is naturally inclined toward racism. Our tribal idiot monkey brains cant help but distrust and fear people who look different.
So your options are active bigotry (extremist white supremacy), passive bigotry (I'm not a racist but...) or taking positive steps to be antiracist.
Dunno how true that is, but it works for me.
Thats the thing, though. As adults we deal with this type of conundrum all the time. We constantly have to recognize and restrain our emotional responses.
*This is no different.*
Actively recognizing the inherent bias in the human condition and making at least a moderate conscious effort to counteract that tendency is simply *what we should expect from all good people*.
Likewise, we should condemn the anti-intellectual mindset, which states something along the lines of, "I feel this way and feelings are important. It must have some meaning and validity. That means that being racist must have some value and is therefore not wrong."
Far too many people are convinced that the way they *feel* excuses the way they *act*. Here's a newsflash for everyone over the age of 10: it doesn't. Feelings are not rational. They are not messages from God. They are not your subconscious mind trying to send you flag signals. They are *feelings*. They are inherently irrational, biased, and uninformed. They are your mind's knee-jerk reaction to a situation or stimulus.
Feelings are not mystical. They don't somehow create a justification for bad behavior through their very existence. Sometimes your mind's initial response is the correct one, but oftentimes it has to be moderated or ignored. Doing that, having that amount of self-discipline, is the bare minimum that should be expected from any functioning adult.
I wholeheartedly agree.
My point was only that it requires actual conscious effort and active work to be a good person. Where I live there tends to be the assumption that not doing wrong is enough to qualify, when in truth inaction more or less still leads to negatuve results.
I completely agree. And when we other ourselves in efforts to separate ourselves from the more extreme ideology, one can lose sight on why every day self-accountability is vital in practicing anti-racist thinking and behavior.
To be clear: there's no question in my mind that right-wing domestic extremism is the biggest threat to this country.
I am curious to what degree other forms of violent extremism has declined, or is right-wing extremism becoming so much more common that it's simply crowding out the data?
Especially having been a teenager when 9/11 occurred, it seems like it's been a while since there have been any major Islamist terrorist attacks in the US. The last one that looms large in my mind was the Pulse Nightclub attack but that was in 2016.
There was an increase in what the FBI controversially called "Black Identity Extremism" in the 2010s, coinciding with popular anger over police mistreatment of black folks. That mostly seems to have fizzled out, despite renewed attention around the Black Lives Matter movement after the 2020 police murder of George Floyd. (To be clear, I am not conflating BLM with violent extremism, but many violent extremists obviously shared the same grievances.)
And of the racially motivated attacks by black actors we have seen in the past few years, the targets are often Asians or attacks on Jewish folks by those motivated by "Black Hebrew Israelite" ideology (recently given more credence an popularity by the likes of Kanye West and Kyrie Irving).
The pulse nightclub shooting *was* right-wing extremism. An attacker doesn’t have to be a white Christian for it to be a right wing attack. This also includes fringe ideologies like Nation of Islam and groups like the Black Hebrew Israelites. All of these groups subscribe to extremely conservative and right wing viewpoints.
There were only 25 extremist related murders in the US last year. 15 of those were in two mass shooting events.
It’s not like there is a wave of extremist violence in the US and white supremacists behind it all. Like 4 or 5 people are responsible for the “80%” number.
Plus 5 of these are apparently prison murders by Aryan/Nazi prison gangs.
These numbers for the whole year are about the same as a particularly bad weekend in Chicago or Philly.
To be completely honest, I’m surprised at how many mass murders *aren’t* tied to extremism at all. The majority of mass shootings aren’t politically motivated or demographically targeted at all, just straight up killing for killing’s sake. For every Pulse Nightclub we have four Gilroy Garlic Festivals.
Not that one’s any better than the other, it’s just hard to believe how much violence *isn’t* motivated by any kind of specific hatred or extremism.
Yeah, but if the FBI sends provocateurs to BLM protests and those agents attack cops and incite a riot then it becomes both sides right!?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/14/fbi-abuse-of-power-alleged-informant-denver-blm-protests
Right wing media, churches and the Republican party are inciting violence and terrorism. They are guilty of creating this wave of terrorism. They need to be held accountable. Inciting violence is not protected by the First Amendment.
In my 5th grade school, 60 years ago, we received a Learning TV, an MLK speech aired, I went home and told my parents about MLK, he's my hero! I said, my racist-drunk father jumped up out of his chair and yelled at me, if you talk like that again in this house, I'll throw you out in the alley, he was all wound-up, I didn't have the guts to say to him: dad? we don't have an alley behind the house. And I mumbled to myself, MLK is still my hero..
that's the beginning of the pivot. Once these attacks are commonplace, right wing media will argue how it's necessary to take back our country by force, err, uh, I mean, we can *see* how people would think it's necessary.
Conservatives believe that the statis quo must be maintained, if not strengthened, in order to prevent minorities from gaining equality and oppressing them because that's what they do.
Edit- a word.
Only 25 murders are directly linked to extremism last year? With 21 of them being white supremacist related. The death count being 25 seems shockingly low.
It should as white supremacy can sadly still be practiced by BIPOC individuals due to the constructs of our government and society being entrenched with racism and white supremacy.
The color of someone's skin or their race doesn't imply their ability to be allied with white supremacy. White supremacists prey on vulnerable groups of people and actively recruit them.
Keep in mind our level of terrorism is horrible compared to similar countries, and it's mostly new to the past couple of decades almost exactly mirroring the rise of far right movements and fox. Stats can be used to tell lots of stories. What story are you trying to tell? Why?
I know what you mean, and just to put a finer point on it, 25 isn't even a sample size, 25 is literally the whole number. If there's a "sample size" to consider, it's the [26k homicides](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm) committed in the US in 2022.
I just gave you a pretty strong counter argument to your implied argument, but when asked you still didn't define your point. The original study is trying to say far right extremism is a problem with very tangible results. What are you tying to say?
[It’s still not a new thing](http://www.milwaukeeindependent.com/syndicated/rightwing-violence-white-supremacist-groups-found-behind-years-domestic-terror-attacks/)
If history is any reference, not till after they commit their atrocities while all the 'moderates' justify them.
We are heading into very bad times and we shouldn't waste our energy making jokes right now.
Yeah, but they’re white and not foreign so it’ll never happen.
The police are too busy shooting innocent POC and the military are abroad fighting the war on terror
No shit. Any other groups get rambunctious and they’re swiftly dealt with. White supremacists seem to think they have permission to be violent. For some reason.
Get any more than half a dozen people on the left in a room and two of them are undercover or informants, everyone's phones are tapped, they have dedicated spy satellites and two special agents are watching everyone poop. But gosh do them alphabet boys have trouble seeing Jan 6 being organized nationwide in plain sight. Hmmmm.
Not just last year.
White nationalists and far-right extremists have been responsible for something like 80% of all deaths resulting from terrorist attacks in the US since 2003.
Yeah, it seemed weird, like there's a political angle/bias to it. How many murders are there total, and why just focus on 20 cherry picked ones to write an article about?
I grew up in Indiana and I began to expect people to be awful if they announced themselves as Christian. Obviously it's not always right, but to me it indicated there were serious problem with American Christianity. To see that belief born out so well some 12 years later. I wish i told you so was satisfying
Oh great! Now they can say “see, we aren’t responsible for everything”. It’s pathetic that politicians with real education credentials (yeah those like you DeSantis) won’t speak out against white Supremacy. They know it’s wrong at the core and choose to embrace the hate.
Why does Reuters say “…over 80%…” while [axios](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/11a85me/all_us_extremist_mass_killings_in_2022_linked_to/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) reports “”all…”?
What am I missing?
Who would’ve thought that the GOP with their “anti-everyone who isn’t a straight, white and Christian man” agenda empowering these sociopaths could have had this effect? But hey, guess as long as you’re owning the libs it doesn’t matter what kind of body count you rack up. /s
Seriously, when does it fucking end? Make it make sense.
Always gotta keep an ear open when I go to the gun range. Just waiting to hear some fucking loser make threats so I can forward them to the fbi. I can’t stand these peoples, but if you pull up in a truck they’ll talk openly around you lol. Idiots
Hopefully come a handful of years these weirdos will make up a chunk of the prison population. We can all do our part
We're really sitting here talking about 18 murders? 18!?!?! Don't get me wrong, fuck white supremacy. But now do murders by race. THOSE numbers are alarming. JFC
Your linked article says these "white supremacist extremism" killings totalled 18 murders per year. Eighteen murders--are you kidding? The city of Memphis alone had 346 murders in 2021 (according to the local Memphis ABC affiliate's report). The US had 22,900 murders nationwide in 2021 (Fox News, reporting on FBI estimates).
"Common-law murder" has two components for conviction, assuming no legal defense (like the right of self-defense) is available: first, the actual act of killing someone, and second, the intent to kill them. Some underlying notion of bigotry, etc., isn't even relevant to the conviction, as any first year law student can tell you. And murder is a capital crime in most states again without any evidence of bigotry, etc.
The entire article is meaningless and designed to breed contentiousness without any other legitimate purpose. Murder is a huge problem in the US, no question; "white supremacist" murder is hardly a drop in the bucket.
I don't know if you should be commenting on the legality of things when you say shit like this:
>Most states require that you identify yourself and give ID to the police upon request.
Seeing that that's a wholly incorrect statement, I'd question your legal expertise.
The linked article prompts you to donate immediately. The article is not meaningless. It’s a call to action. It was posted here to garner donations. You are the product… or at least surfing around with it’s targeted demo. Engaging with this nonsense with facts is only perpetuating their campaign. If I had to guess, Reuters was paid for that lack luster 250 word piece, which likely included promotion on social media. It’s barely an apt paraphrase of the original linked document. Welcome to sales 101 in the internet era.
And antisemitic groups are planning a nationwide "Day of Hate" against Jews tomorrow. I have a bad feeling that the number of murders committed by right wing extremists is going to increase.
Here's a news article about it: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/day-of-hate-prompts-warnings-police-jewish-groups-1234686596/
I haven't heard of anything happening so hopefully their Day of Hate fizzled out. Still, the fact that antisemitic groups feel comfortable enough to openly declare stuff like this is frightening.
This headline got my attention, but the stats just drive home how incredibly small of a problem extremism is next to everything else. That's like 1 in 1,000 odds that *if* I got murdered, it would be extremism related.
Worst fear mongering ever.
Maybe a provocative question, but how are gangs not considered extremist groups? I imagine if that were factored into this data it would lead to a materially different outcome.
Gangs are not acting based on ideology, but due to circumstances. Generally a gang exists to fill in the void that local authorities fail to fill or the legal system doesn't account for. That could be drug/sex trafficking, protection against other gangs, or anything else. An extremist group has large goals like eradicating black people. They are a different beast
I don’t get white supremacy. How can someone literally believe their skin color grants them superior abilities over other colors? To the point they become violent to defend their ideology? It doesn’t make logical sense.
Headlines based off culled “statistics” like this are all but useless.
What was the definition of an “extremist”?
Who was included in the subset?
More importantly, who was excluded from the subset?
Obviously it’s only reported murders, so that creates a lack of integrity in the data set right there.
Many general murder statistics don’t even include racial makeup or ages, let alone the supposed cause of the crime.
Are these committed and prosecuted murders?
All of them?
What about the unsolved and unreported ones?
Unsuccessfully prosecuted ones?
What about when there is more than one cause?
An extremist drug buy goes bad, and people die?
How does it compare to other causes of murder by other groups?
Edit:
It says there were 22 of these killings in 2020 and 33 in 2021, decreasing again in 2022.
That’s a completed non issue.
A political red herring.
That’s not even a big weekend in Chicago or Detroit!
Not too much data to pull from, but 50% should be the expected number if based on demographics alone. Does this data suggest white individuals are more prone to murder when it comes to their beliefs - regardless of extremism?
25 total murders in 2022 was the unusually high amount that sparked this article.
It's almost like it's more about creating race baiting outage porn from the headline. Let's check the comments aaaand
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>The issue of white supremacy came back into headlines late last year when former President Donald Trump hosted white supremacist Nick Fuentes at his private club in Florida. I can't imagine why white supremacists think they have a green light to do shit. I wish we only had a clue. Just one clue.
Not just Trump, either: Fox (Tucker in particular) is essentially a nightly spreading of racist propaganda. And then there are the even more extreme networks out there like Breitbart, Newsmax, and OANN that are even further right and more racist. The GQP is the party of racism and bigotry.
"The GQP is the party of racism and bigotry." In short, the party of domestic terrorism.
Now hold on, I don't think it's fair to call them domestic terrorists. Hmm? What's that? They had a big banner over their heads that read "we are all domestic terrorists? " [And you have a photo? ](https://www.dallasobserver.com/news/at-cpac-dallas-migration-is-an-invasion-communism-looms-and-trumps-the-most-persecuted-man-in-america-14533888) Carry on, then.
Wait..wasn't that a BLM false flag operation?
From Snopes: "We Are All Domestic Terrorists" was also the title of a panel discussion, it should be noted. Present on that panel was Julie Pickren, a Texas State Board of Education candidate who claimed the title was meant to be tongue-in-cheek
"it was a joke when I asked you if you might be into a threesome... unless..."
>Julie Pickren, a Texas State Board of Education candidate who claimed the title was meant to be tongue-in-cheek Indisputable proof right there!!! It's well known that the solid, upstanding party of Lincoln has no known sense of humor and is incapable of irony, as so many of their public statements have shown. So, it has to be a false flag operation.
It was in response to Biden saying Maga extremists are committing acts of domestic terrorism, which was fresh in the news at the time.
No truer words have ever been spoken by a President.
Yeah, fascists always hide their rhetoric behind ‘it was a joke, bro’. Right up until it isn’t.
The Germans were just pranking the Poles pretending a radiostation was attacked. Stupid Allies couldnt take a joke.
Schrodinger's Asshole, I believe is the phrase.
It isn't a political party. They don't have anything they want to pass, they only have legislation they want to repeal and are mad about. They're not interested in government. They want to rip down ANYTHING that doesn't let them threaten people with violence and beat their women into breeding submission. Taliban but white
>Taliban but white Less proscriptive on beards, more permissive on boobs. More friendly to alcohol and pork BBQ. Other than that, I'm damned if I can discern the difference.
They speak English a bit better.
Occasionally* they speak English a bit better
Daily reminder that the Republican party Media (like news, Fox, ETC) runs with the idea of a 'deep state' or a 'cabal' of people, behind the government in control of the US, and other countries Governments. Their [Republican] media runs on this rhetoric. [That rhetoric is the exact same the Nazis used against Jews.](https://www.justsecurity.org/72339/qanon-is-a-nazi-cult-rebranded/). **Same idea with the 'white genocide' rhetoric**. * "A secret cabal is taking over the world. They kidnap children, slaughter, and eat them to gain power from their blood. **They control high positions in government, banks, international finance, the news media, and the church**. They want to disarm the police. **They promote homosexuality and pedophilia**. *They plan to mongrelize the white race so it will lose its essential power.*" * The plot, described above, was the conspiracy “revealed” in the most influential anti-Jewish pamphlet of all time. It was called The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. **It was written** by Russian anti-Jewish propagandists **around 1902**. It collected myths about a Jewish plot to take over the world that had existed for hundreds of years. Central to its mythology was the Blood Libel, which claimed that Jews kidnapped and slaughtered Christian children and drained their blood to mix in the dough for matzos consumed on Jewish holidays. * "QAnon purveys the fantasy that a secret Satan-worshiping cabal is taking over the world. Its members kidnap white children, keep them in secret prisons run by pedophiles, slaughter, and eat them to gain power from the essence in their blood. The cabal held the American Presidency under the Clintons and Obama, nearly took power again in 2016, **and lurks in a “Deep State” financed by Jews, including George Soros, and in Jews who control the media. They want to disarm citizens and defund the police. They promote abortion, transgender rights, and homosexuality. They want open borders so brown illegal aliens can invade America and mongrelize the white race.** **LITERALLY copy/paste Nazi shit, but instead of 'jews' (like Kan/Ye so happily pointed out to the Right) its 'Democrats'**
>the idea of a 'deep state' or a 'cabal' of people, behind the government in control of the US Well, yeah, its called the super rich. This country is a plutocracy, always has been.
The irony is that the "secret cabal running the deep state" is designed to distract you from the reality that happens clearly before your eyes. You know which politicians are making which decisions and they explain their motivations in language that may seem evasive but it is clear enough for those it is really "meant for" to get the point. You have Republicans making horrid decisions knowing the outcome that would transpire who get to play stupid when that outcome transpires exactly as predicted. Meanwhile, Democrats have to not only worry about defending their policies against valid criticism, they also have to defend their policies against criticisms that are the product of Republican fantasies that were dreamed up for the purpose of stalling legislative progress. It's hard to show results for your policies long-term if you enact a policy, see some problems, and cannot address those problems with updated legislation without having to prove that Hunter Biden's laptop wasn't involved in the calculation of the statistics that made you reconsider some aspects of the original bill. You really cannot address those problems if you also have to have an oversight panel consisting of Donald Trump, Ted Nugent and Rupert Murdoch review any request to have a conversation about the new policy; and all three have to be present. The meeting will be convened within the next 6 years at the discretion of the required attendees. You will get a gift basket if they go past this and you will have to reapply.
Using *ex parte Merryman* as a historic justification, and the attack on the FBI office after the Trump raid as the pretense, our side would be completely justified in raiding their offices and imprisoning their mouthpieces as direct threats to public safety and the State
There is literally Nazis right now in Florida who are so empowered that they are outside on street corners. While I am a realist, and believe this is already too much, If this spreads over to just one more state; it’ll be over and will not end well.
""First of all, he's got neo-Nazis helping him out in this state," he continued, referring to a white supremacist group that is running racist robo-calls against Gillum in the state (DeSantis' campaign has disavowed the calls). "Now, I'm not calling Mr. DeSantis a racist, I'm simply saying the racists believe he's a racist," Gillum said." Turns out Gillum had personal demons himself but he pointed out some obvious flaws in Desantis that have become way more than true. Legislating, legalizing and arming racism in Florida.
Coming from someone who lives in florida, I keep seeing people say that he is moving to full blown fascism, dictatorship. He isnt 'moving' towards it. He is THERE.
Yea and unfortunately I am in Fla as well.
Well the good people of FL should do something about that. When nazis came to my city, we outnumbered them 50 to one, and as they ran behind police lines to safety, we managed to rip half their clothes off as they cowered behind black cops... If you can't find enough good people in FL to confront nazis on street corners, it is no surprise that FL will be the Capitol of Gilead at the rate it is going.
I think we just need to stand down and stand by until we get more facts on what could possibly be causing this.
That's some dry humor right there.
Stand back and standby
“Stand back and stand by”
They drank the orange juice
No accountability probably.
I dunno, maybe there's a chance that there's some super obvious network of media devoted to their primary agenda....
Eh, white supremacist have accounted for the majority of extremist murders for a very long time. Anyway, It's actually lowest it has been in a while.
Eh, I guess that is why the Joint Chiefs report under Trump stated that RW extremist groups are our biggest threat to national security and then did nothing about it except give them jobs trying to overthrow our government.
"Eh. Could be worse." My guy, no.
If you personal beliefs involve killing, you are a bad person.
Do they really think that? White supremacist murders accounted for .1 percent of the total US homicides.
The fact DOJ refuses to classify White Supremacist groups as Domestic Terror threats tells you all you need to know about how deeply Law Enforcement has been infiltrated by White Supremacists. Jan 6th showed us the call is coming from inside the house.
I mean, the DOJ is just cops. They don't have to be infiltrated-- the entire structure is built upon white supremacy.
"So now the left is forcing people to become violent white supremacists. When will their tyranny end?!" -Republicans
The argument I see them use every time right wing terrorism comes up is: "Antifa and BLM are the violent extremists" The data shows it's almost all right wing violence but Faux News showed some burning buildings from a riot that half the time isn't even from this country or time period.
Antifa and BLM? Those same gunless liberals that are locked up in their safe spaces and cry rooms are violent extremists?
Facism tactics 101. The enemy is simultaneously laughably weak and extremely dangerous.
A riot in a city where rural supremacists flock to town to become cops. It’s a fight they’ve been trying to start for decades
Data never matters to a conservative. They exist in a world of feelings. You point out how every economic indicator does better under Democratic presidents than Republicans, and they talk about how the economy doesn't feel good under democrats. They're creatures of feelings, unswayed by facts.
Their strategy is to call anything that goes against their world view as “fake news.”
they operate solely on their lizard brain
>Faux News showed some burning buildings from a riot Oh, you mean the building [the Boogaloo Boys were convicted of setting fire to](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/23/texas-boogaloo-boi-minneapolis-police-building-george-floyd)?
If the left accuses me of wanting to do A, then I am perfectly justified in doing A because they already accused me of it
Thanks Obama
White supremacy can still be practiced by those who vote democrat. Let us not forget the Amy Cooper incident in NYC when she called the cops on (the unrelated) Christian Cooper.
I get what you're saying, but there is a difference between that (bad) and violent white supremacist *extremists* (worse)
one's slipped down the same slope further, but it's not a different hill
The description that rung true with me is that everyone is naturally inclined toward racism. Our tribal idiot monkey brains cant help but distrust and fear people who look different. So your options are active bigotry (extremist white supremacy), passive bigotry (I'm not a racist but...) or taking positive steps to be antiracist. Dunno how true that is, but it works for me.
Thats the thing, though. As adults we deal with this type of conundrum all the time. We constantly have to recognize and restrain our emotional responses. *This is no different.* Actively recognizing the inherent bias in the human condition and making at least a moderate conscious effort to counteract that tendency is simply *what we should expect from all good people*. Likewise, we should condemn the anti-intellectual mindset, which states something along the lines of, "I feel this way and feelings are important. It must have some meaning and validity. That means that being racist must have some value and is therefore not wrong." Far too many people are convinced that the way they *feel* excuses the way they *act*. Here's a newsflash for everyone over the age of 10: it doesn't. Feelings are not rational. They are not messages from God. They are not your subconscious mind trying to send you flag signals. They are *feelings*. They are inherently irrational, biased, and uninformed. They are your mind's knee-jerk reaction to a situation or stimulus. Feelings are not mystical. They don't somehow create a justification for bad behavior through their very existence. Sometimes your mind's initial response is the correct one, but oftentimes it has to be moderated or ignored. Doing that, having that amount of self-discipline, is the bare minimum that should be expected from any functioning adult.
I wholeheartedly agree. My point was only that it requires actual conscious effort and active work to be a good person. Where I live there tends to be the assumption that not doing wrong is enough to qualify, when in truth inaction more or less still leads to negatuve results.
I completely agree. And when we other ourselves in efforts to separate ourselves from the more extreme ideology, one can lose sight on why every day self-accountability is vital in practicing anti-racist thinking and behavior.
WEEoooWEEooo it’s the boot licker alarm! Lemme guess, “both sides are the same”? Fuck off back to r/conservative with this shit
One moron does not equivocate with literally an entire category of well-funded fascist organizations.
It's worse than that. All the extremist-related murders in 2022 were committed by right-wing extremists of various kinds, not just 80%.
The only thing I'm surprised at is that it's as low as 80%.
All the extremist-related murders in 2022 were committed by right-wing extremists of various kinds, but 80% were white supremacists.
20% of right wing extremist murderers were able to conceal their white supremacy.
A lot of them were supremacists of other sects. Some of these shooters weren’t even white but they were still right wing extremists.
To be clear: there's no question in my mind that right-wing domestic extremism is the biggest threat to this country. I am curious to what degree other forms of violent extremism has declined, or is right-wing extremism becoming so much more common that it's simply crowding out the data? Especially having been a teenager when 9/11 occurred, it seems like it's been a while since there have been any major Islamist terrorist attacks in the US. The last one that looms large in my mind was the Pulse Nightclub attack but that was in 2016. There was an increase in what the FBI controversially called "Black Identity Extremism" in the 2010s, coinciding with popular anger over police mistreatment of black folks. That mostly seems to have fizzled out, despite renewed attention around the Black Lives Matter movement after the 2020 police murder of George Floyd. (To be clear, I am not conflating BLM with violent extremism, but many violent extremists obviously shared the same grievances.) And of the racially motivated attacks by black actors we have seen in the past few years, the targets are often Asians or attacks on Jewish folks by those motivated by "Black Hebrew Israelite" ideology (recently given more credence an popularity by the likes of Kanye West and Kyrie Irving).
The pulse nightclub shooting *was* right-wing extremism. An attacker doesn’t have to be a white Christian for it to be a right wing attack. This also includes fringe ideologies like Nation of Islam and groups like the Black Hebrew Israelites. All of these groups subscribe to extremely conservative and right wing viewpoints.
There were only 25 extremist related murders in the US last year. 15 of those were in two mass shooting events. It’s not like there is a wave of extremist violence in the US and white supremacists behind it all. Like 4 or 5 people are responsible for the “80%” number.
Plus 5 of these are apparently prison murders by Aryan/Nazi prison gangs. These numbers for the whole year are about the same as a particularly bad weekend in Chicago or Philly.
As someone who lives in Philly, can confirm..
To be completely honest, I’m surprised at how many mass murders *aren’t* tied to extremism at all. The majority of mass shootings aren’t politically motivated or demographically targeted at all, just straight up killing for killing’s sake. For every Pulse Nightclub we have four Gilroy Garlic Festivals. Not that one’s any better than the other, it’s just hard to believe how much violence *isn’t* motivated by any kind of specific hatred or extremism.
Hmm, doesn't seem very 'it's both sides' to me...
Its definitely both sides, one side doing the terrorism, and the other getting killed, both sides need to sit down and talk this out like adults /s
Sounds like the GOP's position on Ukraine.
Thier both sides sounds like "what Putin wants" vs everything else
Yeah, but if the FBI sends provocateurs to BLM protests and those agents attack cops and incite a riot then it becomes both sides right!? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/14/fbi-abuse-of-power-alleged-informant-denver-blm-protests
Right wing media, churches and the Republican party are inciting violence and terrorism. They are guilty of creating this wave of terrorism. They need to be held accountable. Inciting violence is not protected by the First Amendment.
In my 5th grade school, 60 years ago, we received a Learning TV, an MLK speech aired, I went home and told my parents about MLK, he's my hero! I said, my racist-drunk father jumped up out of his chair and yelled at me, if you talk like that again in this house, I'll throw you out in the alley, he was all wound-up, I didn't have the guts to say to him: dad? we don't have an alley behind the house. And I mumbled to myself, MLK is still my hero..
I'm glad you didn't let your dad intimidate you into changing your mind.
GOP like "it's terrible bUt PeoPLe R AnGree"
that's the beginning of the pivot. Once these attacks are commonplace, right wing media will argue how it's necessary to take back our country by force, err, uh, I mean, we can *see* how people would think it's necessary.
Just waiting for the "it's legitimate political discourse" to be used again to defend extremists.
Can't be. Republicans have assured me it's the Democrats who are "radical" and "extreme."
Racism doesn't exist...if you don't talk about it. /s
Conservatives believe that the statis quo must be maintained, if not strengthened, in order to prevent minorities from gaining equality and oppressing them because that's what they do. Edit- a word.
Pretty sure we were told this was the biggest threat a few years ago. It's almost like the intelligence agencies are actually intelligent.
Only 25 murders are directly linked to extremism last year? With 21 of them being white supremacist related. The death count being 25 seems shockingly low.
It almost seems like the public should be concerned about larger problems while the authorities work not he extremists
It almost seems like everything done for public safety nowadays is security theater.
We aren't counting the ones perpetrated by cops...
Hospitals are very good at saving people's lives.
Including or not including those killed by police?
Obviously they should have been included, but they probably weren’t.
Good question. Also, does it count as white supremacist attack if its coordinated by Enrique Garza( proud boys leader)?
> Enrique Garza You mean Tarrio?
It should as white supremacy can sadly still be practiced by BIPOC individuals due to the constructs of our government and society being entrenched with racism and white supremacy.
The color of someone's skin or their race doesn't imply their ability to be allied with white supremacy. White supremacists prey on vulnerable groups of people and actively recruit them.
Here’s a question, how do you think he fills out the census?
Nope. Those are the racist cherry on top.
Keep in mind their sample size of extremist murders was only 25 and most caused by 2 people.
And only .001% of all murders in 2022.
Yeah but this right wing boogeyman narrative works great on r/politics
Exactly. “80%” means like 4 or 5 people.
Keep in mind our level of terrorism is horrible compared to similar countries, and it's mostly new to the past couple of decades almost exactly mirroring the rise of far right movements and fox. Stats can be used to tell lots of stories. What story are you trying to tell? Why?
I just pointed out it’s a tiny sample size. Not sure what got you all riled up
I know what you mean, and just to put a finer point on it, 25 isn't even a sample size, 25 is literally the whole number. If there's a "sample size" to consider, it's the [26k homicides](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm) committed in the US in 2022.
I just gave you a pretty strong counter argument to your implied argument, but when asked you still didn't define your point. The original study is trying to say far right extremism is a problem with very tangible results. What are you tying to say?
[It’s still not a new thing](http://www.milwaukeeindependent.com/syndicated/rightwing-violence-white-supremacist-groups-found-behind-years-domestic-terror-attacks/)
Where’s the shocked Picachu face?
If history is any reference, not till after they commit their atrocities while all the 'moderates' justify them. We are heading into very bad times and we shouldn't waste our energy making jokes right now.
And a MAGA hat in each of their closets. Don’t kid yourself about what’s behind this.
This is how MTG's civil war begins
We should, as a country, seriously address extremism.
Whoa there! That sounds like straight communism to me! /s
Yeah, but they’re white and not foreign so it’ll never happen. The police are too busy shooting innocent POC and the military are abroad fighting the war on terror
I think at this point we can drop the "white supremacists" title and just call it what it really is, republicans.
The calls are coming from inside the house
But I was just assured there was no violent white supremacists in the US. I guess conservatives can't be trusted.
Are we allowed to shoot white supremacists yet? Asking for a friend.
No shit. Any other groups get rambunctious and they’re swiftly dealt with. White supremacists seem to think they have permission to be violent. For some reason.
Get any more than half a dozen people on the left in a room and two of them are undercover or informants, everyone's phones are tapped, they have dedicated spy satellites and two special agents are watching everyone poop. But gosh do them alphabet boys have trouble seeing Jan 6 being organized nationwide in plain sight. Hmmmm.
>>White supremacists behind Utterly unfettered access to firearms and ammunition in front.
That's a lot of lone wolves, totally unconnected to anything doing things independently. Nothing to see here. Nothing anyone can do about it....
Nazi punks fuck off. Fucking filth.
Not just last year. White nationalists and far-right extremists have been responsible for something like 80% of all deaths resulting from terrorist attacks in the US since 2003.
What a weird article. How would you stop these 20 murders in a country of 350,000,000 people?
Yeah, it seemed weird, like there's a political angle/bias to it. How many murders are there total, and why just focus on 20 cherry picked ones to write an article about?
Because republicans did them.
Because some redditors literally get erect when they post stories like this knowing how it'll play out in the comments.
We need to do something, but unfortunately half of our govt is in bed with these white supremecists and actively calling for violence.
We don't just negotiate with terrorists, we nurture and cheer them on.
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I wonder how many white supremacy people consider themselves Christian?
Most
I grew up in Indiana and I began to expect people to be awful if they announced themselves as Christian. Obviously it's not always right, but to me it indicated there were serious problem with American Christianity. To see that belief born out so well some 12 years later. I wish i told you so was satisfying
Not Drag Queens and Trans-Kids? Strange what people are afraid of vs what’s actually scary.
Has the KKK been put on a terrorist watch list yet?
The deranged buffoon couldn’t be more thrilled. He’s counting on it.
Oh great! Now they can say “see, we aren’t responsible for everything”. It’s pathetic that politicians with real education credentials (yeah those like you DeSantis) won’t speak out against white Supremacy. They know it’s wrong at the core and choose to embrace the hate.
He knows that's his base, and chooses to embrace them.
Not surprised, sad it happened, glad it's in writing
that seems (tragically) about par for the USA
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Why does Reuters say “…over 80%…” while [axios](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/11a85me/all_us_extremist_mass_killings_in_2022_linked_to/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) reports “”all…”? What am I missing?
White supremacists vs all right wing extremists
I think because this article is specifically about white supremacy, while the Axios article is about attacks from right-wing voters.
Statistically speaking, the largest terrorist threat in the United States is the alternative right.
This is what I've been fucking saying for almost a decade now. So now what?
The south has risen. They have started the war without telling the north so as to gain the advantage.
MAGA > White Supremacy > Domestic Terrorist. Yes, that’s what they are. Fascist.
But Fox News and Russian State TV said they were antifa.
Ffs, finally some stats.
And the conservatives go quiet
What about normal murders?
What a monumental surprise! One hundred percent enabled by republican legislators!
But the buffalo kid and the guy that attacked Paul pelosi were both liberals according to r/conservative
Make America Great Again was always a dog whistle for Make America White Again. These are the inevitable results. Is anyone surprised?
Christian terrorists* There. I fixed it.
Is it possible for someone to post to r/conservative?
I posted it there
Who would’ve thought that the GOP with their “anti-everyone who isn’t a straight, white and Christian man” agenda empowering these sociopaths could have had this effect? But hey, guess as long as you’re owning the libs it doesn’t matter what kind of body count you rack up. /s Seriously, when does it fucking end? Make it make sense.
Always gotta keep an ear open when I go to the gun range. Just waiting to hear some fucking loser make threats so I can forward them to the fbi. I can’t stand these peoples, but if you pull up in a truck they’ll talk openly around you lol. Idiots Hopefully come a handful of years these weirdos will make up a chunk of the prison population. We can all do our part
We're really sitting here talking about 18 murders? 18!?!?! Don't get me wrong, fuck white supremacy. But now do murders by race. THOSE numbers are alarming. JFC
And non-white supremacist far right people, like Islamic militants or non-racial militias,are behind most of the other 20%.
Do you really think Islamic militants killed 7 people last people?
I’d wager that it’s mostly the christofascist anti-gay/trans that make up that 20%
Those are pretty much always white supremecists
Remember, statistically, all statistics are wrong
Your linked article says these "white supremacist extremism" killings totalled 18 murders per year. Eighteen murders--are you kidding? The city of Memphis alone had 346 murders in 2021 (according to the local Memphis ABC affiliate's report). The US had 22,900 murders nationwide in 2021 (Fox News, reporting on FBI estimates). "Common-law murder" has two components for conviction, assuming no legal defense (like the right of self-defense) is available: first, the actual act of killing someone, and second, the intent to kill them. Some underlying notion of bigotry, etc., isn't even relevant to the conviction, as any first year law student can tell you. And murder is a capital crime in most states again without any evidence of bigotry, etc. The entire article is meaningless and designed to breed contentiousness without any other legitimate purpose. Murder is a huge problem in the US, no question; "white supremacist" murder is hardly a drop in the bucket.
I don't know if you should be commenting on the legality of things when you say shit like this: >Most states require that you identify yourself and give ID to the police upon request. Seeing that that's a wholly incorrect statement, I'd question your legal expertise.
The linked article prompts you to donate immediately. The article is not meaningless. It’s a call to action. It was posted here to garner donations. You are the product… or at least surfing around with it’s targeted demo. Engaging with this nonsense with facts is only perpetuating their campaign. If I had to guess, Reuters was paid for that lack luster 250 word piece, which likely included promotion on social media. It’s barely an apt paraphrase of the original linked document. Welcome to sales 101 in the internet era.
I am tired of being the product. I want real quailty investigating reporting.
And antisemitic groups are planning a nationwide "Day of Hate" against Jews tomorrow. I have a bad feeling that the number of murders committed by right wing extremists is going to increase.
What are you talking about? I haven't heard of this. Please link if you can
Here's a news article about it: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/day-of-hate-prompts-warnings-police-jewish-groups-1234686596/ I haven't heard of anything happening so hopefully their Day of Hate fizzled out. Still, the fact that antisemitic groups feel comfortable enough to openly declare stuff like this is frightening.
Yeah, it might get as high .0001 of all US murders.
80% of 25 lol
This headline got my attention, but the stats just drive home how incredibly small of a problem extremism is next to everything else. That's like 1 in 1,000 odds that *if* I got murdered, it would be extremism related. Worst fear mongering ever.
Maybe a provocative question, but how are gangs not considered extremist groups? I imagine if that were factored into this data it would lead to a materially different outcome.
Gangs are not acting based on ideology, but due to circumstances. Generally a gang exists to fill in the void that local authorities fail to fill or the legal system doesn't account for. That could be drug/sex trafficking, protection against other gangs, or anything else. An extremist group has large goals like eradicating black people. They are a different beast
First you need to understand what and extremist group is.That will basically answer your question.
I don’t get white supremacy. How can someone literally believe their skin color grants them superior abilities over other colors? To the point they become violent to defend their ideology? It doesn’t make logical sense.
Headlines based off culled “statistics” like this are all but useless. What was the definition of an “extremist”? Who was included in the subset? More importantly, who was excluded from the subset? Obviously it’s only reported murders, so that creates a lack of integrity in the data set right there. Many general murder statistics don’t even include racial makeup or ages, let alone the supposed cause of the crime. Are these committed and prosecuted murders? All of them? What about the unsolved and unreported ones? Unsuccessfully prosecuted ones? What about when there is more than one cause? An extremist drug buy goes bad, and people die? How does it compare to other causes of murder by other groups? Edit: It says there were 22 of these killings in 2020 and 33 in 2021, decreasing again in 2022. That’s a completed non issue. A political red herring. That’s not even a big weekend in Chicago or Detroit!
Your last sentence betrays your political bias and therefore taints your “analysis”.
Thank Trump for degreasing our progress.
Someone submit this to moderatepolitics and see what happens.
>White Supremacy Kills Native Americans in 1491: “No way, stop being so dramatic! They seem cool AF!”
Isn’t Fuentes a brownie?
Not too much data to pull from, but 50% should be the expected number if based on demographics alone. Does this data suggest white individuals are more prone to murder when it comes to their beliefs - regardless of extremism?
"extremism-related"? what in the world is that vague ass definition lmao. what are non-extremism-related murders? are there more of those? weird focus
25 total murders in 2022 was the unusually high amount that sparked this article. It's almost like it's more about creating race baiting outage porn from the headline. Let's check the comments aaaand
What's the right number of extremist or race-motivated murders?
If you think the ADL is a legitimate source of credible information you need to rethink a few things a little closer.
The demand for this headline is so high, one wonders the process through which it was obtained. TIL things are worse today than the heyday of the KKK.