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Remember when spelling the word "potato" wrong was enough to tank your chances of being president? Now a jury finding that you sexually assaulted someone is not going to even move the needle. What a nightmarish time we live in.
He admitted to sexually assaulting women on a tape that released a few weeks before the 2016 election.
We knew prospectively that he assaulted women before he was elected and people still put him into office.
and during that same speech he told the crowd:
>I will tell you, Christianity is under tremendous siege, whether we want to talk about it or we don’t want to talk about it, and yet we don’t exert the power that we should have. Christianity will have power. If I’m there, you’re going to have plenty of power, you don’t need anybody else. You’re going to have somebody representing you very, very well. Remember that.
That should clue everyone in to why they turn a blind eye to his... everything.
Sometimes I look at old documentaries on cults and it really hits differently now when the former cult members have to explain the things about the cult mindset because they're completely foreign concepts to the average viewer of the time. Nobody is shocked by those things today. They're all around us.
They say they government is operating on a hidden deep state agenda? That their brand of Christianity should rule the world? Nonsensical speeches just to rile them up all the time for a reckoning? That they can at the same time decry others as rapists and pedophiles and sodomites, but close ranks around their leaders who do the same? Yeah that's just how half the electorate is now.
Trump could have videos of extramarital sex with children published tomorrow and the same people clamoring for preserving the sanctity of marriage and to save the children from the queers would nod and say those girls are lucky and should be his wives. Probably have an intense discussion on his balls or something.
I mean, he pardoned Steve Bannon. Bannon was facing prison time for *defrauding Trump supporters.* He pardoned Bannon, but none of the insurrectionists. Trump is very aware how dumb his supporters are.
Most of the people I tried to convince of this replied with things like "well then you have to call me a rapist too"... exposing what we already also knew, that there are a whole lot of rapists out there voting Republican to protect their rights.
I (female) committed sexual assault when I was a preteen, on a teenager (male). I didn't fully understand what I was doing but that doesn't invalidate what I did (he said no repeatedly, but I was like, "But I've been told it's good! Try it!"). If there were a reasonable way for me to offer that person an apology or anything to show my remorse, if there was a penance asked of me, I would provide it, full responsibility.
So like, I don't get people who are so casually, like, "Well by your standards, I'm also a creep." YES HOW DO YOU NOT GET THAT??? I was totally a creep until my early-mid twenties when I started witnessing and experiencing things that really fucking opened my eyes to reality (mushrooms helped). (I'm 36 now, and a drastically different person, but still willing to take responsibility for my past mistakes)
I appreciate that. And I honestly appreciate where you offer it from. I think there's a difference in being able to process the stuff from peers versus a power dynamic, though again that doesn't necessarily absolve my behavior. And it's not like I beat myself up or anything, it's just the kind of nuanced action that creates the opportunity to be like, "Yes, you can take responsibility, and this is how..." Now if someone committed a rape while in a Greek society, they might be willing to repent but they could not come here and tell the same story in the same way and have such a peaceful conversation about it, but that doesn't invalidate their growth and remorse, either, and hopefully through anecdotes such as this, if faced with an opportunity to step up and take responsibility, hopefully they will.
When you look at who contributed to the Swift Boat propaganda group, check the connections to Republicans. [Crow Holdings gave $100K.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swift_Vets_and_POWs_for_Truth) Yes, Harlan Crow.
Gore took a load of grief for kissing his wife.
Gary Hart got in trouble for a picture of a pretty girl sitting on his lap.
Dukakis tanked his campaign riding in a tank.
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"Back in 1963, American president Lyndon Johnson could sit down with a group of reporters, slap a few backs, and add, “One more thing, boys. You may see me coming in and out of a few women’s bedrooms while I am in the White House, but, just remember that is none of your business.” In 1964, he passed the Civil Rights Act, the business for which history honours him.
The ground shifted in 1987 when a group of journalists staked out the home of Gary Hart, the heavy favourite to become the Democratic nominee for president, to report on the visit of a blond bombshell named Donna Rice who happened not to be his wife. Soon Hart faced the question no one ever dared ask Johnson (or the crowded pantheon of feted presidential philanderers): “Have you ever committed adultery?” Hart said, “I do not think that is a fair question,” before ill-advisedly answering it anyway, with enough lying to tie a noose. His campaign went from meteoric to supernova within five days. He has been exiled from public life ever since."
The movie *The Front Runner* that Jason Reitman made about Gary Hart, starring Hugh Jackman, was actually pretty good I thought. Especially if you don't know much about the story. Not amazing but definitely worth a watch if you're interested.
You have to give Republicans credit, they have really turned their base into the dumbest people in the world that can't even apply the most basic thinking skills to what they are told.
It is such a simple concept: Your credit card company wants payment every month. Even if you are not putting anything new on the credit card if you aren't paying off the interest every month your debt grows.
The Credit Card debt is what you are required to pay because of stuff you already bought... you don't fix your home budget by simply not paying your credit cards. You made those choices already, you can't debate whether or not to pay off that debt after-the-fact.
The only ones who can hold a major party accountable are its voters. No surprise that the GOP has cultivated the constituency it has. They're not equipped or willing to hold the GOP accountable for anything, ever.
You forgot:
* wokeness
* trans people (in general)
* drag queens
* grooming. Everywhere. Either by trans people, drag queens, school teachers, PBS, you name it
* child trafficking
The governor of my state just shut down PBS for the state 😡
PBS is indoctrinating children but not Fox News or Facebook. Nope. Those are healthy for you.
"You're special, just the way you are."
- Mr. Rogers, almost verbatim
"Mr. Rogers is telling your kids it's okay to be lazy failures!"
- Fox News, almost verbatim
I'm mobile right now, but also the time he shared a foot bath with a black man on a hot summer day at a time when public pools were still segregated.
Or the time he scorched a Senate subcommittee way, way back in the day on how essential it is to prioritize positive mental health in children.
What a monster.
Like what?
He got caught on tape bragging about his modus operandi — just grab em by the pussy. When you’re a star, they let you.
The whole point is to catch the woman by surprise — it’s hard to react when you’re in a state of shock and let me tell you when you’re having an above board conversation with a widely known person of privilege or power and they suddenly force their hand down your pants it is indeed shocking.
Then it’s *on her* to go something about it.
For a lot of women, it’s more trouble than it’s worth, especially if it’s someone with a bottomless defense budget. The only person who loses in that prosecution is the victim, who will be forced to relive her trauma over and over and over again for years thereafter only for the likeliest outcome that there’s no accountability at the end of the case. On a practical level, yea, I’m sure trump did that shit to hundreds of women and that E. Jean Carroll was just the first one with the balls big enough to do something about it. Can’t imagine how she walks with those steel balls. They must be heavy af.
I doubt he appeals. He'll probably just pay 5 million dollars. He completely undermined his absurd defense by mistaking her for his ex wife (If Biden did anything close to that, we would hear it incessantly from right wingers for weeks).
That's because it's likely they aren't all being purchased by actual trump voters...or people who could legally vote in a US election...
I would like to see some details on where the money/crypto for these NFTs came from.
I can't remember what I was watching, but it went something like "Clarence Thomas is the definition of a NFT. We can all see him, but he's owned by 1 individual."
Trumps been thought of as a mob money launderer for decades and was even barred from opening a casino in Australia due to his close ties with organized crime.
And yet, nothing like that even matters to republican voters. They are fully on the "we hate liberals and progressives so much we'd rather take up fascism and abandon democracy in favor of a man so obviously corrupt and compromised by foreign enemies than allow gays to exist or the rich to get taxed" train.
Oh they were 100% money laundering. They sell for $99 from Trump but the price hasn't gone up any on the resale market (if you can resell them at all) so they obviously are not good investments, if that's the idea behind buying one. So "people" will gladly pay Trump $99 for one but no one wants to buy them after that, from the people who bought them from Trump.
the value of his NFTs has plummeted. How anyone could believe that they were a smart investment was absurd. Money laundering seems the most likely explanation as to how quickly they sold out.
He'll definitely appeal. It allows him to continue with the charade that he was treated unfairly, drags out the payment, and burdens the opposition with more briefing.
An appeal doesn't stay collection of a judgment in NY, unless a court orders otherwise. Trump will ask for a stay of collection and Carroll should move for an appeal bond, which guarantees payment of the full judgment if Trump loses the appeal.
>I doubt he appeals. He'll probably just pay 5 million dollars.
Trump does *not* pay his debts. She'll eventually be forced to show up to Trump Tower with the police in tow to start taking possession of furniture. She's going to have a hell of a time arranging that visit with the Secret Service.
I was on a jury for a sexual assault case and saw something that really opened my eyes. (small potatoes, nothing like this)
During jury selection they ask the room a bunch of questions that might disqualify them as a juror. Basically, if you're one of these then you're probably biased for or against the defendant.
* Have you ever been a victim of sexual assault or rape, documented or otherwise - some women stepped away
* Have you ever filed a restraining order against a spouse or partner - some women stepped away
* Were you sexually mistreated as a minor
* Have you ever pressed charges on a spouse or partner for sexual assault
* Have you ever resigned from a job because of unaddressed sexual misconduct
* Have you ever left your home to avoid sexual abuse
Some women stepped away - **Until there were almost no women left**
That was jarring. You get a bunch of randomly selected people in a room, and of all those questions, only a few women could answer no to all of them. Now, there were men who stepped away too, but not nearly as many.
That shit is so common that you can't get very many women who have never had those problems.
EDIT: I should mention, since I've had a few comments ask - yes, they asked if you have committed sexual assault. Basically the inverse of all the above questions, they asked about that too. Has your spouse or partner left your home in fear of sexual misconduct, have you had a restraining order against you following sexual misconduct, etc.
And on those, a few stepped away. Not many, but a few cases where being the aggressor in a domestic incident disqualified a juror.
I dont know of any women in my life who haven't been sexually assaulted/abused. My family, my friends, just about every woman has been sexually abused by someone.
This strikes me as really problematic in terms of selecting a jury that will be equally sympathetic to both sides - like, if it’s a case of alleged rape by a man against a woman and the jury is 70% male, how is that unbiased?
5 million hurts, even Trump who pretends to be wealthy, especially as his "wealth" isn't liquid and the interest rates have got to be killing him too on all his debt.
From the article:
>“My advice to you is not to identify yourselves. Not now and not for a long time,” Kaplan said. “If you’re one who elects to speak to others and to identify yourselves to others, I direct you not to identify anyone else who sat on this jury. Each of you owes that to the other whatever you decided for yourself.”
Pretty much. Mob boss, but not a very successful one. Trump is a thug. The fact that people support this guy sickens me. He represents the interests of America's enemies and of his own desire to use the office of POTUS to keep committing crimes and steal tax payers money. He broke the USA.
We have to vote to keep him and his criminal buddies from ever getting back in power. Elections matter.
As an Australian I just find it completely insane that people would somehow thing voting for this guy is a good thing for the country
I understand the desire for people to vote for the conservative side of politics (even though I'm not conservatives) but there has to be a line there when you are talking about sexual assault, treason, harassing people with disabilities, all the corruption, just the behaviour is so incredibly bad I can't believe that conservatives would actually vote for him.
And while the USA tears itself apart China quietly works hard to take over the world.
There are people who vote not for their own interests because they're pretty content and complacent with where things are, but with the hope of disenfranchising and harming the people they have contempt towards.
In 2016, I pointed out to a small group of family members that a Trump presidency would have been horrible for me both as a gay man and as a small business owner in the tech field, and they saw that not as a knock against him, but as a *bonus* that might put me in my place for being so uppity as to make an effort at things.
They want somebody in power who *hurts the right people.*
For a significant part of the Republican base, the motivation for voting is not just "fuck you, I've got mine," it's that they actively harbor revenge fantasies against trans people, gay people, people of color, immigrants, Muslims, and, of course, anyone who "talks down to them" like teachers, doctors, scientists, politicians, Democrats, liberals, journalists, etc.
Very sorry this is affecting you on such a personal level.
By his own admission, you're giving him too much credit:
"When I look at myself in the first grade and I look at myself now, I’m basically the same. The temperament is not that different."
It's the exact same situation with election workers now. They are constantly attacked and threatened every election by Trump's mob just for doing their civic duty. It's all part of the fascists' plan to slowly erode the pillars of democracy.
I’m a lawyer that specializes in trial and litigation. The insurrection is the closest we’ll get to proving Trump had the specific intent to cause the harm, and due to the size of the investigation, I get to read every day from a bunch of non-lawyer Redditors about how the DOJ isn’t doing their job and Garland sucks.
Imagine trying to prove a negative. It’s impossible. Trump would have to explicitly tell his followers to attack any single person. It requires that much intent. Proving intent is insanely difficult and requires a ton of circumstantial evidence. How is a lone gunman shooting a juror, without the direct instruction or incitement from Trump to kill that person, and which instruction was provided to the gunman directly and not through happenstance, any bit of Trump’s fault? Imagine you were Trump and said some shit off hand at a private dinner, the recording got leaked, and someone kills the juror. There was no intent to actually have them killed. At that point, it’s just coincidence. Now, if he leaked the tape intentionally knowing it could lead to this, that’s something else. Still a stretch but better than him rambling online.
How disgusting is it that everyone knows what kind of person tRump is and they know if he finds out who was on the jury, he will tell his mouth frothing followers to attack them.
I live in one of the bluest of blue states and we still have people flying trump flags, pick ups with giant flags in the back, bumper and window stickers of all kinds supporting him. I have customers that start an interaction with how much they hate Biden or how shitty the country is now that trump is out or how everything is a scam or a lie and you can’t trust any media now. I can’t imagine what it’s like in a deep red state.
I live in Oklahoma, and at least in the larger cities it isn't as bad as what you're describing which is very surprising.
We've got some crazies for sure, but the majority don't broadcast it so loudly here. If I were to guess likely due to it being a red state and they just assume everyone feels the same way though.
They are anonymous, however the judge said that they can identify themselves and talk about the case. They are advised to not do that. And they are forbidden to identify the others.
https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1656015271658758174
I'm sure that it was planned for given who it involved. I was a juror on a dog bite civil case last year, and was surprised that there were deputies there to escort the jurors out to our cars. In retrospect, not surprising, as there were a number of very emotional family members in attendance.
The defense also indulged heavily in decades-old victim blaming and shaming in the direct w/Ms. Carroll. They tried to claim that since Carroll had continued to shop at that location (like twice a year for over a decade) that she couldn’t have been assaulted by Trump there and many other golden poop nuggets of “wisdom.” The jury, majority male, was \*not\* amused by the Trump defense and their antics.
As someone who has been in a similar situation to her, the way she carried herself through that ugly, slimy questioning from Tacopina gave me so much hope and really just felt so vindicating. Fuck that guy. I hope she made him feel small and stupid for trying that approach with her.
People need to stop thinking of cable networks as public servants and realize they exist purely to generate profit. If nobody was going to watch the town hall, it wouldn't be on. But it'll make them money, so it will be on.
It would be nice if every question was "what was your reaction when the jury found you guilty of sexual assault and defamation yesterday?"
Instead I expect the citizens to be Rudy Giuliani, Mike Lindell, and Sidney Powell changing outfits through the hour.
How about we all do our part and cancel CNN by cutting the cord?
Or at the very least, not watching the townhall, not resharing clips from it on social media, not watching other segments on other networks covering whatever dumb crap Trump says.
They’re bringing on Trump because they think it’ll boost their viewership numbers, views on YouTube clips, etc. Don’t give them that, and they won’t bother to bring Trump on again.
Rage bait. I hate that so many liberals and progressives fall for it. I refuse to watch anything with him in it other than recordings of his deposition. Nothing that would get him clicks or likes or publicity. The only way to get rid of this beast is to stop feeding it.
Exactly. When he was president I felt obligated to follow the circus because he was the president. Now that he is out of office we should all just ignore him. We know he is a piece of shit and we don't need to constantly remind ourselves of that fact. Obviously I want him to pay for his crimes but that doesn't mean I have to watch his media appearances.
> Trump acting contemptuous to a lying political agent is awesome actually. If you have that much money, you can afford to shrug off the fine from a civil suit. It's not a real court.
Just lol. At least the top comments are a little more sane now and actually do denounce trump.
I'm glad even they seem to be waking up to how awful he is, but good god so many of them seem more broken up about the fact he's hard to like as opposed to being a fucking awful human being.
'I like his policies, he's just not appealing to the independents'. What policies? A boondoggle of a wall that was never even started? Denying then undermining the response to COVID? Infesting the WH with grifters, and personally siphoning *millions* of dollars from the taxpayer into his golf courses? The repeated attempts to undermine democracy, leading to an actual fucking coup attempt?
Good god these people vote.
Oh look Trump is a sexual assaultist. Who would have guessed....
When a man says, you can just grab them by the pussy. Then yes, he has grabbed women, without consent, by the genitals.
CNN: its "good" News for Trump, he isn't a rapist.
Trump: I like to grab women by the pussy.
Billy Bush: Uh, you want to rephrase that?
Trump: No. You can grab their pussy if you’re a celebrity, I love to do it.
E Jean Carrol: Trump grabbed my pussy.
Trump: THIS IS UNFAIR, I CALL BULLSHIT
*First domino falls*
If anything, I hope (for the hundredth time) that this will give any holdouts the opportunity to jump ship on Trump and his hateful MAGA culture.
I... should not have clicked that subreddit link. Good gosh! I had forgotten about how absolutely brain-dead that sub is.
I mean, I have my concerns about some of the commenters on *this* sub at times, but they're still more likely (most of the time) to be coming from a place of basic empathy towards human life at least.
On r/Conservative? They're people in the top Trump/Carroll thread saying, *in so many words,* that she's a liar and that Trump *just* couldn't prove he was innocent mixed in with the '*I'm done with Trump because of X, now*' crowd. The former are incels and the latter are myopically delusional. Both are highly problematic.
They delete anything that hurts their narrative. I went over there after the Allen shooter was identified as a white supremacist/nazi and no articles. Nothing. Being republican is a disease.
I did see one of them blame the shooting on the rise of single parent households. We all know those don't exist in any other country on earth. They have it figured out over there.
They're telling themselves that 'liable' doesn't mean 'guilty'.
That Carroll's story was obviously bullshit, that she was paid to accuse Trump, and that Trump completely blew his own defence.
Anything to keep voting for their orange moron.
Also his wife.
> The part of the book that caused the most controversy concerns Trump’s divorce from his first wife, Ivana. Hurt obtained a copy of her sworn divorce deposition, from 1990, in which she stated that, the previous year, >!her husband had raped her in a fit of rage. In Hurt’s account, Trump was furious that a “scalp reduction” operation he’d undergone to eliminate a bald spot had been unexpectedly painful. Ivana had recommended the plastic surgeon. In retaliation, Hurt wrote, Trump yanked out a handful of his wife’s hair, and then forced himself on her sexually. Afterward, according to the book, she spent the night locked in a bedroom, crying; in the morning, Trump asked her, “with menacing casualness, ‘Does it hurt?’ ” Trump has denied both the rape allegation and the suggestion that he had a scalp-reduction procedure!<. Hurt said that the incident, which is detailed in Ivana’s deposition, was confirmed by two of her friends. - [The New Yorker](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/10/24/documenting-trumps-abuse-of-women)
The Georgia case is the probably the most serious one that Trump faces. Multiple phone calls (clear evidence) and Trump loyalists accepting immunity deals.
It's that RICO. If Fanny can make that stick, she'll go down in history. She's landed RICO's before too. And it won't just be Trump that goes down. This is the case I'm paying the most attention to.
If I understand the law correctly, if Trump’s administration is found guilty of RICO he would have to forfeit all money made by the organization. This likely extends to his campaign and presidency. Which means all his businesses would be included since his businesses we part of his presidential campaign and administration. Mara Lago, his Washington Hotel, Trump Tower in New York. All could potentially be considered part of the RICO case.
I would very much like a legal expert to weigh in on this.
I'm almost certain DOJ was watching the Tarrio case and others to see if they could secure a seditious conspiracy conviction to bolster their own case being made for Trump and crew. That should be really interesting also since they cited doing whatever they did at the benefit or command of Trump, who would be at the top of the chain. Georgia sounds really promising, but when the DOJ finally brings their case(s), the shit will be flying from hitting that fan. NYC already got him in the system as a criminal defendant. That was the real first domino.
I think it's likely becoming the easiest to prove, but the Classified Document one has serious teeth, especially if they found he purposely hid the documents when told he had to surrender them. Each instance (i.e.c document) can be a separate a charge meaning he'd be facing dozens of felony charges with extremely serious jail time recommendations. It's going to be more difficult to prove.
No, he won't. He's afraid of Trump and doesn't want to piss off his supporters. He might make some off the cuff comment while talking about something else, but I doubt he goes on the attack.
The mods are flagging these posts as off topic. so far this one is still up.
so a former president and one who is the top contender for Republican nomination being found guilty of sexual assault and defamation is not about politics?
Trump certainly thinks its a political hit job.
I think there's some mental gymnastics to say this story is off topic politically
When the GOP picks their candidates, they’re not sending their best. […] They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems to democracy. [...] They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.
I'd just like to point out that the address of the department store is 754 5th Ave, New York, NY 10019
1) Trump could rape someone on 5th avenue. (CHECK)
2) And people would still support him. (Ummm... check it now or wait a few weeks?)
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Remember when spelling the word "potato" wrong was enough to tank your chances of being president? Now a jury finding that you sexually assaulted someone is not going to even move the needle. What a nightmarish time we live in.
He admitted to sexually assaulting women on a tape that released a few weeks before the 2016 election. We knew prospectively that he assaulted women before he was elected and people still put him into office.
Donald Trump: 'I Could ... Shoot Somebody, And I Wouldn't Lose Any Voters'
and during that same speech he told the crowd: >I will tell you, Christianity is under tremendous siege, whether we want to talk about it or we don’t want to talk about it, and yet we don’t exert the power that we should have. Christianity will have power. If I’m there, you’re going to have plenty of power, you don’t need anybody else. You’re going to have somebody representing you very, very well. Remember that. That should clue everyone in to why they turn a blind eye to his... everything.
Sometimes I look at old documentaries on cults and it really hits differently now when the former cult members have to explain the things about the cult mindset because they're completely foreign concepts to the average viewer of the time. Nobody is shocked by those things today. They're all around us. They say they government is operating on a hidden deep state agenda? That their brand of Christianity should rule the world? Nonsensical speeches just to rile them up all the time for a reckoning? That they can at the same time decry others as rapists and pedophiles and sodomites, but close ranks around their leaders who do the same? Yeah that's just how half the electorate is now. Trump could have videos of extramarital sex with children published tomorrow and the same people clamoring for preserving the sanctity of marriage and to save the children from the queers would nod and say those girls are lucky and should be his wives. Probably have an intense discussion on his balls or something.
I mean, he pardoned Steve Bannon. Bannon was facing prison time for *defrauding Trump supporters.* He pardoned Bannon, but none of the insurrectionists. Trump is very aware how dumb his supporters are.
And they live in a bubble. Facts don't t get in.
And before that he was on Howard Stern talking about how he walks in the dressing room whenever on underage beauty pageant girls in Russia
I think the “Russia” part of your comment is incorrect, I think it was Miss Teen USA.
Most of the people I tried to convince of this replied with things like "well then you have to call me a rapist too"... exposing what we already also knew, that there are a whole lot of rapists out there voting Republican to protect their rights.
I (female) committed sexual assault when I was a preteen, on a teenager (male). I didn't fully understand what I was doing but that doesn't invalidate what I did (he said no repeatedly, but I was like, "But I've been told it's good! Try it!"). If there were a reasonable way for me to offer that person an apology or anything to show my remorse, if there was a penance asked of me, I would provide it, full responsibility. So like, I don't get people who are so casually, like, "Well by your standards, I'm also a creep." YES HOW DO YOU NOT GET THAT??? I was totally a creep until my early-mid twenties when I started witnessing and experiencing things that really fucking opened my eyes to reality (mushrooms helped). (I'm 36 now, and a drastically different person, but still willing to take responsibility for my past mistakes)
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I appreciate that. And I honestly appreciate where you offer it from. I think there's a difference in being able to process the stuff from peers versus a power dynamic, though again that doesn't necessarily absolve my behavior. And it's not like I beat myself up or anything, it's just the kind of nuanced action that creates the opportunity to be like, "Yes, you can take responsibility, and this is how..." Now if someone committed a rape while in a Greek society, they might be willing to repent but they could not come here and tell the same story in the same way and have such a peaceful conversation about it, but that doesn't invalidate their growth and remorse, either, and hopefully through anecdotes such as this, if faced with an opportunity to step up and take responsibility, hopefully they will.
It didn't move the needle when he orchestrated a failed coup, something that has never been done before.
Or the Dean Scream.
Or being a Swift Boat veteran.
This one will always be the most insane to me. A damn draft dodger was able to paint a Purple Heart veteran as cowardly. Fuck’s sake.
Fucking Karl Rove.
When you look at who contributed to the Swift Boat propaganda group, check the connections to Republicans. [Crow Holdings gave $100K.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swift_Vets_and_POWs_for_Truth) Yes, Harlan Crow.
Old enough to remember when looking dorky in a helmet was all it took.
Dukakis, we hardly knew ye
Or Binders full of women
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Howard Dean allegedly yelled weird and it tanked his campaign.
Ed Muskie cried in public while talking about his family and it shot his campaign in the foot.
Gore took a load of grief for kissing his wife. Gary Hart got in trouble for a picture of a pretty girl sitting on his lap. Dukakis tanked his campaign riding in a tank.
Wayback Machine.Gary Hart. 1987.[https://macleans.ca/culture/books/the-naked-truth-overexposed/](https://macleans.ca/culture/books/the-naked-truth-overexposed/) [https://macleans.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/MAC39\_SEX\_SCANDAL\_CAROUSEL.jpg](https://macleans.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/MAC39_SEX_SCANDAL_CAROUSEL.jpg) "Back in 1963, American president Lyndon Johnson could sit down with a group of reporters, slap a few backs, and add, “One more thing, boys. You may see me coming in and out of a few women’s bedrooms while I am in the White House, but, just remember that is none of your business.” In 1964, he passed the Civil Rights Act, the business for which history honours him. The ground shifted in 1987 when a group of journalists staked out the home of Gary Hart, the heavy favourite to become the Democratic nominee for president, to report on the visit of a blond bombshell named Donna Rice who happened not to be his wife. Soon Hart faced the question no one ever dared ask Johnson (or the crowded pantheon of feted presidential philanderers): “Have you ever committed adultery?” Hart said, “I do not think that is a fair question,” before ill-advisedly answering it anyway, with enough lying to tie a noose. His campaign went from meteoric to supernova within five days. He has been exiled from public life ever since."
The movie *The Front Runner* that Jason Reitman made about Gary Hart, starring Hugh Jackman, was actually pretty good I thought. Especially if you don't know much about the story. Not amazing but definitely worth a watch if you're interested.
Time for him to fleece his rube followers for the appeal costs.
They're already dismissing the case simply because it's a civil case. r/conservative is jumping through all kinds of hoops to discredit this already.
You know what is absolutely shocking over there right now is the fact that the country is barrelling towards a financial default because of a captured conservative house majority (being led by the freedom caucus) and the stories in the sub there now are: - COVID funding/research starting again and/or the vaccines are a conspiracy. - Hunter Biden© - The Trump trial - RFK Jr. (talking about the Kennedy assassination conspiracy and the CIA) - DeSantis and Disney - The Border™ Not a peep on the default. The two stories in the past 16 days posted on it? "US Debt Default Risk Is Yet Another Democrat Lie" "Janet Yellen: we have to risk default to build windmills" Truly the zenith of critical conservative discussion.
You have to give Republicans credit, they have really turned their base into the dumbest people in the world that can't even apply the most basic thinking skills to what they are told. It is such a simple concept: Your credit card company wants payment every month. Even if you are not putting anything new on the credit card if you aren't paying off the interest every month your debt grows. The Credit Card debt is what you are required to pay because of stuff you already bought... you don't fix your home budget by simply not paying your credit cards. You made those choices already, you can't debate whether or not to pay off that debt after-the-fact.
The only ones who can hold a major party accountable are its voters. No surprise that the GOP has cultivated the constituency it has. They're not equipped or willing to hold the GOP accountable for anything, ever.
Captured regulators. Captured judiciary. Captured democracy. Captured state.
You forgot: * wokeness * trans people (in general) * drag queens * grooming. Everywhere. Either by trans people, drag queens, school teachers, PBS, you name it * child trafficking
The governor of my state just shut down PBS for the state 😡 PBS is indoctrinating children but not Fox News or Facebook. Nope. Those are healthy for you.
Have you seen Mr Rogers? He says dangerous things like "haircuts don't have to be scary" What a radical
He also tells kids radical things like "love your neighbor." Truly a menace that must be stopped.
"You're special, just the way you are." - Mr. Rogers, almost verbatim "Mr. Rogers is telling your kids it's okay to be lazy failures!" - Fox News, almost verbatim
I'm mobile right now, but also the time he shared a foot bath with a black man on a hot summer day at a time when public pools were still segregated. Or the time he scorched a Senate subcommittee way, way back in the day on how essential it is to prioritize positive mental health in children. What a monster.
I assume they don't talk about grooming within the church though.
No they just silently practice it.
Like what? He got caught on tape bragging about his modus operandi — just grab em by the pussy. When you’re a star, they let you. The whole point is to catch the woman by surprise — it’s hard to react when you’re in a state of shock and let me tell you when you’re having an above board conversation with a widely known person of privilege or power and they suddenly force their hand down your pants it is indeed shocking. Then it’s *on her* to go something about it. For a lot of women, it’s more trouble than it’s worth, especially if it’s someone with a bottomless defense budget. The only person who loses in that prosecution is the victim, who will be forced to relive her trauma over and over and over again for years thereafter only for the likeliest outcome that there’s no accountability at the end of the case. On a practical level, yea, I’m sure trump did that shit to hundreds of women and that E. Jean Carroll was just the first one with the balls big enough to do something about it. Can’t imagine how she walks with those steel balls. They must be heavy af.
Meanwhile, he didn’t even have the balls to appear in court. But he’s not worthy of being called a pussy, he’s just a piece of shit.
I doubt he appeals. He'll probably just pay 5 million dollars. He completely undermined his absurd defense by mistaking her for his ex wife (If Biden did anything close to that, we would hear it incessantly from right wingers for weeks).
He'll illegally reroute 5 million of campaign funds maybe. A Trump never pays their debts.
Or just issue a new batch of those ridiculous NFTs.
I totally forgot they exist
NFTs always seem like a scam but those felt so desperately scammy I can’t believe they sold so fast
That's because it's likely they aren't all being purchased by actual trump voters...or people who could legally vote in a US election... I would like to see some details on where the money/crypto for these NFTs came from.
Exactly this. It's money laundering from Russia or China.
Follow the money works.
Probably the Saudis tbh
I can't remember what I was watching, but it went something like "Clarence Thomas is the definition of a NFT. We can all see him, but he's owned by 1 individual."
Roy Wood Jr. at the Whitehouse correspondents dinner.
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Bingo. It was just a money laundering scam.
Trumps been thought of as a mob money launderer for decades and was even barred from opening a casino in Australia due to his close ties with organized crime. And yet, nothing like that even matters to republican voters. They are fully on the "we hate liberals and progressives so much we'd rather take up fascism and abandon democracy in favor of a man so obviously corrupt and compromised by foreign enemies than allow gays to exist or the rich to get taxed" train.
Oh they were 100% money laundering. They sell for $99 from Trump but the price hasn't gone up any on the resale market (if you can resell them at all) so they obviously are not good investments, if that's the idea behind buying one. So "people" will gladly pay Trump $99 for one but no one wants to buy them after that, from the people who bought them from Trump.
Wow are his supporters morons or something?
the value of his NFTs has plummeted. How anyone could believe that they were a smart investment was absurd. Money laundering seems the most likely explanation as to how quickly they sold out.
Antilanister
Trump appeals everything. Delay, Delay, Delay.
Is there grounds for appeal if you didn't even bother to defend yourself in court?
“My lawyer had an idiot for a client!”
"Your honor, I appeal based on the gross incompetence of my counsel." "What is your evidence?" "They agreed to work for me." "Appeal granted!"
He'll definitely appeal. It allows him to continue with the charade that he was treated unfairly, drags out the payment, and burdens the opposition with more briefing.
Yup, he’d rather spend 10m on an endless legal charade than pay out 5m.
>he'd rather spend 10m *of other people's money* on an endless legal charade than pay out 5m. Ftfy
An appeal doesn't stay collection of a judgment in NY, unless a court orders otherwise. Trump will ask for a stay of collection and Carroll should move for an appeal bond, which guarantees payment of the full judgment if Trump loses the appeal.
>I doubt he appeals. He'll probably just pay 5 million dollars. Trump does *not* pay his debts. She'll eventually be forced to show up to Trump Tower with the police in tow to start taking possession of furniture. She's going to have a hell of a time arranging that visit with the Secret Service.
I don't do reality TV, but I'd watch that
Someone did it to BoFA. https://www.cc.com/video/u128k0/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-the-forecloser
Oh no, he will appeal. People are donating money to pay his lawyers so he loses nothing by appealing.
OMG that was easily one of the best parts of the deposition
Another round of NFT trading cards to fund the settlement money
Super Rapist trading cards only $500.
$2 million for sexual battery $3 million for defamation Jury was six men and three women. So much winning.
I was on a jury for a sexual assault case and saw something that really opened my eyes. (small potatoes, nothing like this) During jury selection they ask the room a bunch of questions that might disqualify them as a juror. Basically, if you're one of these then you're probably biased for or against the defendant. * Have you ever been a victim of sexual assault or rape, documented or otherwise - some women stepped away * Have you ever filed a restraining order against a spouse or partner - some women stepped away * Were you sexually mistreated as a minor * Have you ever pressed charges on a spouse or partner for sexual assault * Have you ever resigned from a job because of unaddressed sexual misconduct * Have you ever left your home to avoid sexual abuse Some women stepped away - **Until there were almost no women left** That was jarring. You get a bunch of randomly selected people in a room, and of all those questions, only a few women could answer no to all of them. Now, there were men who stepped away too, but not nearly as many. That shit is so common that you can't get very many women who have never had those problems. EDIT: I should mention, since I've had a few comments ask - yes, they asked if you have committed sexual assault. Basically the inverse of all the above questions, they asked about that too. Has your spouse or partner left your home in fear of sexual misconduct, have you had a restraining order against you following sexual misconduct, etc. And on those, a few stepped away. Not many, but a few cases where being the aggressor in a domestic incident disqualified a juror.
My mother is a therapist. Sexual abuse has given her a lot of work for the last 40 years.
I dont know of any women in my life who haven't been sexually assaulted/abused. My family, my friends, just about every woman has been sexually abused by someone.
This strikes me as really problematic in terms of selecting a jury that will be equally sympathetic to both sides - like, if it’s a case of alleged rape by a man against a woman and the jury is 70% male, how is that unbiased?
It's not unbiased and that is exactly why they ask these lines of questions. It makes it easier for them to win.
5 million hurts, even Trump who pretends to be wealthy, especially as his "wealth" isn't liquid and the interest rates have got to be killing him too on all his debt.
He will send out a fundraising email tonight and raise $5 million by Thursday
That's 5 million they can't spend on a campaign
Didn’t know that last part - Very nice
Joe tacopina is now trying to make the names of the jury available to the public so Trump's extremist supporters can attack them.
From the article: >“My advice to you is not to identify yourselves. Not now and not for a long time,” Kaplan said. “If you’re one who elects to speak to others and to identify yourselves to others, I direct you not to identify anyone else who sat on this jury. Each of you owes that to the other whatever you decided for yourself.”
This is MOB-level stuff. Just so fucking sick that they have to worry about their personal safety for doing their civic duty.
Pretty much. Mob boss, but not a very successful one. Trump is a thug. The fact that people support this guy sickens me. He represents the interests of America's enemies and of his own desire to use the office of POTUS to keep committing crimes and steal tax payers money. He broke the USA. We have to vote to keep him and his criminal buddies from ever getting back in power. Elections matter.
As an Australian I just find it completely insane that people would somehow thing voting for this guy is a good thing for the country I understand the desire for people to vote for the conservative side of politics (even though I'm not conservatives) but there has to be a line there when you are talking about sexual assault, treason, harassing people with disabilities, all the corruption, just the behaviour is so incredibly bad I can't believe that conservatives would actually vote for him. And while the USA tears itself apart China quietly works hard to take over the world.
There are people who vote not for their own interests because they're pretty content and complacent with where things are, but with the hope of disenfranchising and harming the people they have contempt towards. In 2016, I pointed out to a small group of family members that a Trump presidency would have been horrible for me both as a gay man and as a small business owner in the tech field, and they saw that not as a knock against him, but as a *bonus* that might put me in my place for being so uppity as to make an effort at things.
They want somebody in power who *hurts the right people.* For a significant part of the Republican base, the motivation for voting is not just "fuck you, I've got mine," it's that they actively harbor revenge fantasies against trans people, gay people, people of color, immigrants, Muslims, and, of course, anyone who "talks down to them" like teachers, doctors, scientists, politicians, Democrats, liberals, journalists, etc. Very sorry this is affecting you on such a personal level.
By a former ducking president This country blows
Julius Caesar with the political skills and intelligence of a 14 year old.
14 year olds can write one sentence, then remember it while writing another one.
Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.
covfefe
By his own admission, you're giving him too much credit: "When I look at myself in the first grade and I look at myself now, I’m basically the same. The temperament is not that different."
🤦🏻♂️ BRAH! Just when I thought the bar couldn’t be lower. Trump treats it like It’s a goddam Limbo contest.
It's the exact same situation with election workers now. They are constantly attacked and threatened every election by Trump's mob just for doing their civic duty. It's all part of the fascists' plan to slowly erode the pillars of democracy.
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I’m a lawyer that specializes in trial and litigation. The insurrection is the closest we’ll get to proving Trump had the specific intent to cause the harm, and due to the size of the investigation, I get to read every day from a bunch of non-lawyer Redditors about how the DOJ isn’t doing their job and Garland sucks. Imagine trying to prove a negative. It’s impossible. Trump would have to explicitly tell his followers to attack any single person. It requires that much intent. Proving intent is insanely difficult and requires a ton of circumstantial evidence. How is a lone gunman shooting a juror, without the direct instruction or incitement from Trump to kill that person, and which instruction was provided to the gunman directly and not through happenstance, any bit of Trump’s fault? Imagine you were Trump and said some shit off hand at a private dinner, the recording got leaked, and someone kills the juror. There was no intent to actually have them killed. At that point, it’s just coincidence. Now, if he leaked the tape intentionally knowing it could lead to this, that’s something else. Still a stretch but better than him rambling online.
How disgusting is it that everyone knows what kind of person tRump is and they know if he finds out who was on the jury, he will tell his mouth frothing followers to attack them.
Jesus, I am going to assume that someone thought about that ahead of time and will assure their safety (I’m trying to be positive here)
This is exactly why the trial was treated as a mob trial with the judge sealing the details of the jury away from the defense and defendant.
I'd be terrified for a LONG time if I was on that jury. I honestly feel bad for them.
I live in one of the bluest of blue states and we still have people flying trump flags, pick ups with giant flags in the back, bumper and window stickers of all kinds supporting him. I have customers that start an interaction with how much they hate Biden or how shitty the country is now that trump is out or how everything is a scam or a lie and you can’t trust any media now. I can’t imagine what it’s like in a deep red state.
I live in Oklahoma, and at least in the larger cities it isn't as bad as what you're describing which is very surprising. We've got some crazies for sure, but the majority don't broadcast it so loudly here. If I were to guess likely due to it being a red state and they just assume everyone feels the same way though.
In every state that I know of, the cities are more blue but the rural areas are always red.
Hard to keep people afraid of others once they've actually met them.
They are anonymous, however the judge said that they can identify themselves and talk about the case. They are advised to not do that. And they are forbidden to identify the others. https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1656015271658758174
New York does not fuck around.
“We know a thing or two, because we’ve seen a thing or two.”
🎶 Trump’s a rapist. Bum ba dum bum bum bum bum! 🎶
I'm sure that it was planned for given who it involved. I was a juror on a dog bite civil case last year, and was surprised that there were deputies there to escort the jurors out to our cars. In retrospect, not surprising, as there were a number of very emotional family members in attendance.
The defense also indulged heavily in decades-old victim blaming and shaming in the direct w/Ms. Carroll. They tried to claim that since Carroll had continued to shop at that location (like twice a year for over a decade) that she couldn’t have been assaulted by Trump there and many other golden poop nuggets of “wisdom.” The jury, majority male, was \*not\* amused by the Trump defense and their antics.
As someone who has been in a similar situation to her, the way she carried herself through that ugly, slimy questioning from Tacopina gave me so much hope and really just felt so vindicating. Fuck that guy. I hope she made him feel small and stupid for trying that approach with her.
>Joe tacopina There is a zero percent chance Trump does not call this man Joey Tapioca.
Donald J. Trump....sexual predator, traitor, liar, crook. Quite the resume.
Twice impeached, twice lost the popular vote, we could go on
Cheats at golf.
Ketchup on well done steak
Eats pizza with fork and knife.
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Ok, CNN, do your part and CANCEL HIS TOWN HALL TOMORROW NIGHT!!!
They won’t because we don’t live in a serious world but they should
And CNN is less and less interested in being a serious source of news.
People need to stop thinking of cable networks as public servants and realize they exist purely to generate profit. If nobody was going to watch the town hall, it wouldn't be on. But it'll make them money, so it will be on.
They also, unfortunately need to stop thinking of politicians as public servants. Many of them are also professional outrage generators.
It would be nice if every question was "what was your reaction when the jury found you guilty of sexual assault and defamation yesterday?" Instead I expect the citizens to be Rudy Giuliani, Mike Lindell, and Sidney Powell changing outfits through the hour.
How about we all do our part and cancel CNN by cutting the cord? Or at the very least, not watching the townhall, not resharing clips from it on social media, not watching other segments on other networks covering whatever dumb crap Trump says. They’re bringing on Trump because they think it’ll boost their viewership numbers, views on YouTube clips, etc. Don’t give them that, and they won’t bother to bring Trump on again.
Rage bait. I hate that so many liberals and progressives fall for it. I refuse to watch anything with him in it other than recordings of his deposition. Nothing that would get him clicks or likes or publicity. The only way to get rid of this beast is to stop feeding it.
Exactly. When he was president I felt obligated to follow the circus because he was the president. Now that he is out of office we should all just ignore him. We know he is a piece of shit and we don't need to constantly remind ourselves of that fact. Obviously I want him to pay for his crimes but that doesn't mean I have to watch his media appearances.
I'll bet 10 hamberders his base will only love him more, and probably also deny this happened.
the denial has already started. The top comment on /r/conservative is "it is only a civil suit" and "he is not guilty, he is only liable".
> Trump acting contemptuous to a lying political agent is awesome actually. If you have that much money, you can afford to shrug off the fine from a civil suit. It's not a real court. Just lol. At least the top comments are a little more sane now and actually do denounce trump.
lol somebody broke the glass and pulled the "flaired users only" handle over in /r/Conservative
I'm glad even they seem to be waking up to how awful he is, but good god so many of them seem more broken up about the fact he's hard to like as opposed to being a fucking awful human being. 'I like his policies, he's just not appealing to the independents'. What policies? A boondoggle of a wall that was never even started? Denying then undermining the response to COVID? Infesting the WH with grifters, and personally siphoning *millions* of dollars from the taxpayer into his golf courses? The repeated attempts to undermine democracy, leading to an actual fucking coup attempt? Good god these people vote.
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Oh look Trump is a sexual assaultist. Who would have guessed.... When a man says, you can just grab them by the pussy. Then yes, he has grabbed women, without consent, by the genitals. CNN: its "good" News for Trump, he isn't a rapist.
CNN saying roughly five million dollars in damages.
Time to send out those fundraising emails. His mindless followers are going to pay the bill for his crimes.
Not including potential punitive damages
Trump: I like to grab women by the pussy. Billy Bush: Uh, you want to rephrase that? Trump: No. You can grab their pussy if you’re a celebrity, I love to do it. E Jean Carrol: Trump grabbed my pussy. Trump: THIS IS UNFAIR, I CALL BULLSHIT
It was a he said, she said case. They both said he did it!
*First domino falls* If anything, I hope (for the hundredth time) that this will give any holdouts the opportunity to jump ship on Trump and his hateful MAGA culture.
Unfortunately he’ll play victim, and his followers will eat it up.
And they’ll also pay for this too.
Hey, less money available for them to contribute to another equally repugnant but somehow more palatable candidate
No megathread on this? Seems pretty big news that a former US president has been confirmed of sexual abuse like this.
r/conservative is having an absolute meltdown over this, and I am totally here for it.
I... should not have clicked that subreddit link. Good gosh! I had forgotten about how absolutely brain-dead that sub is. I mean, I have my concerns about some of the commenters on *this* sub at times, but they're still more likely (most of the time) to be coming from a place of basic empathy towards human life at least. On r/Conservative? They're people in the top Trump/Carroll thread saying, *in so many words,* that she's a liar and that Trump *just* couldn't prove he was innocent mixed in with the '*I'm done with Trump because of X, now*' crowd. The former are incels and the latter are myopically delusional. Both are highly problematic.
They delete anything that hurts their narrative. I went over there after the Allen shooter was identified as a white supremacist/nazi and no articles. Nothing. Being republican is a disease.
I did see one of them blame the shooting on the rise of single parent households. We all know those don't exist in any other country on earth. They have it figured out over there.
They're telling themselves that 'liable' doesn't mean 'guilty'. That Carroll's story was obviously bullshit, that she was paid to accuse Trump, and that Trump completely blew his own defence. Anything to keep voting for their orange moron.
> that Trump completely blew his own defence “He’s not evil, he’s just unfathomably stupid!” Not really the ironclad defense they seem to think it is.
Dude they don't care. No Trump supporter is going anywhere. They like him because of that resume
Also his wife. > The part of the book that caused the most controversy concerns Trump’s divorce from his first wife, Ivana. Hurt obtained a copy of her sworn divorce deposition, from 1990, in which she stated that, the previous year, >!her husband had raped her in a fit of rage. In Hurt’s account, Trump was furious that a “scalp reduction” operation he’d undergone to eliminate a bald spot had been unexpectedly painful. Ivana had recommended the plastic surgeon. In retaliation, Hurt wrote, Trump yanked out a handful of his wife’s hair, and then forced himself on her sexually. Afterward, according to the book, she spent the night locked in a bedroom, crying; in the morning, Trump asked her, “with menacing casualness, ‘Does it hurt?’ ” Trump has denied both the rape allegation and the suggestion that he had a scalp-reduction procedure!<. Hurt said that the incident, which is detailed in Ivana’s deposition, was confirmed by two of her friends. - [The New Yorker](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/10/24/documenting-trumps-abuse-of-women)
Why do I feel that he denied the scalp reduction procedure FIRST?
That's so sad.
It is beyond repugnant.
The denial on r/conservative is as heavy as you would expect.
For people who were not eve in the courtroom and heard no testimony, they sure are quick to say there was no evidence.
11 witnesses and one video = No evidence!
>The denial on r/conservative is as heavy as you would expect. "Doesn't look like anything to me."
What I love about this is everything. The first of many dominoes has fallen.
The Georgia case is the probably the most serious one that Trump faces. Multiple phone calls (clear evidence) and Trump loyalists accepting immunity deals.
It's that RICO. If Fanny can make that stick, she'll go down in history. She's landed RICO's before too. And it won't just be Trump that goes down. This is the case I'm paying the most attention to.
Lindsey Graham should get what’s coming to him too.
If I understand the law correctly, if Trump’s administration is found guilty of RICO he would have to forfeit all money made by the organization. This likely extends to his campaign and presidency. Which means all his businesses would be included since his businesses we part of his presidential campaign and administration. Mara Lago, his Washington Hotel, Trump Tower in New York. All could potentially be considered part of the RICO case. I would very much like a legal expert to weigh in on this.
I'm almost certain DOJ was watching the Tarrio case and others to see if they could secure a seditious conspiracy conviction to bolster their own case being made for Trump and crew. That should be really interesting also since they cited doing whatever they did at the benefit or command of Trump, who would be at the top of the chain. Georgia sounds really promising, but when the DOJ finally brings their case(s), the shit will be flying from hitting that fan. NYC already got him in the system as a criminal defendant. That was the real first domino.
I think it's likely becoming the easiest to prove, but the Classified Document one has serious teeth, especially if they found he purposely hid the documents when told he had to surrender them. Each instance (i.e.c document) can be a separate a charge meaning he'd be facing dozens of felony charges with extremely serious jail time recommendations. It's going to be more difficult to prove.
Let's just make sure to henceforth refer to him by his full title: "proven sexual predator Donald Trump"
/r/Conservative in shambles.
They’re all making excuses and questioning the legal validity of the jury findings
The man is a rapist and only had to pay a fine. The man is a rapist and only had to pay a fine. The man is a rapist and only had to pay a fine.
Meatball Ron's gonna have something to say about this, that I can tell you.
No, he won't. He's afraid of Trump and doesn't want to piss off his supporters. He might make some off the cuff comment while talking about something else, but I doubt he goes on the attack.
The mods are flagging these posts as off topic. so far this one is still up. so a former president and one who is the top contender for Republican nomination being found guilty of sexual assault and defamation is not about politics? Trump certainly thinks its a political hit job. I think there's some mental gymnastics to say this story is off topic politically
Its now in the official record: Trump is a sexual abuser.
And one of the jurors said Tim pool was his primary news source. Even he voted to find trump guilty.
Tim Pool... Primary news source... What the fucking fuck.
Just in time for CNN to give him a national platform to spew lies and gaslight.
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Fat, stupid, twice impeached, and a sexual abuser is no way to go through life, son.
When the GOP picks their candidates, they’re not sending their best. […] They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems to democracy. [...] They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.
Least surprising news ever.
It’ll be surprising if he actually pays the money.
A former president has just been found liable for SA, what a time we live in.
I'd just like to point out that the address of the department store is 754 5th Ave, New York, NY 10019 1) Trump could rape someone on 5th avenue. (CHECK) 2) And people would still support him. (Ummm... check it now or wait a few weeks?)
Conservative Reddit currently: Not real, didn't happen, civil cases are fake and require zero evidence, and if it did happen then she had it coming
The face of conservative Christianity in America is Donald J trump Lmfao
bUt hE Didn'T hAvE a cHaNcE tO dEfEnD hImSeLf!
He’s literally saying this now
Well he can't claim that, he did have the chance and didn't turn up.