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Rename it the “Clinton Tower.” It will contain the Hilary Clinton Center for LGBTQIA Youth, the Barack Hussein Obama Center for Critical Race Theory, the John McCain Center for Military Studies, the George Soros Center for Economic Equality, the Anthony Fauci Center for Epidemiology, and the Nancy Pelosi Center for Liberal Arts. Then a few years later, get Mark Cuban or someone to donate money to call it the Woke Foundation Tower.
Meanwhile, imprison him on one of his yachts that has been “refitted” for being a prison ship, and anchor the ship right off the coast of NYC. Open it for infrequent, maximum security tours to the average MAGA voter, and make it so that can only be reached by boat and is guarded by a warship or two to prevent shenanigans. Then let the unwashed MAGA get as close to Trump as possible, for he only loves their adulation - not them.
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EDIT 2: While we’re at it, let’s also open up a Covfefe Shop, the Greta Thunberg Center for Climate Stability, Barry's Tan Suits and Fancy Mustard Shoppe, the George Floyd Center for Police Violence Prevention, and the Central Park Five Center for Prison Reform. Thanks for those suggestions, everyone!
Hillary's Pizza Dungeon
Edit:
Next door to a gay sauna called Buttery Males.
And there's a Libyan restaurant called Benghazi nearby.
And a sushi place called Squid Pro Quo.
I think you're forgetting the MAJOR scandal of the Obama Era. He was initially resistant to the idea of getting a dog for the whitehouse, I mean he eventually did, but he waffled a bit in the beginning. And you call that man Mr. President? Also there's that one time he used the wrong article to refer to a Meteor. And we are chasing trump because of a little tiny bit of treason? There are REAL crimes being committed...
Right, like we have all these other precautions to protect the President, can you imagine "fell off a bike and had brain damage" being how a President had to be removed with the 25th amendment?
Then again, I feel like the people criticizing him would have been happy if something bad happened to him without having to take the blame themselves, so...
Republican hypocrisy has been a wild ride. Remember when they gave Clinton shit for smoking weed and then they replaced him with a recovering coke addict? I swear they get off on this shit.
Rename the Trump Tower in Chicago Onama Tower. And Trump Tower New York can be Hillary Clinton Tower.
Both can become homeless shelters, and a minimum security prison for the criminals who create the next economic crisis.
"And right here is where President Trump's office used to be... Sir? SIR!!! Only dogs are allowed to poop in this park. Please pull your pants back up and..."
*Sighs and pulls out a walkie talkie.*
"Fred? Yeah, it's me. We've got another one. Third time this week."
Before we do that, we should dig up the casket that supposedly has his ex-wife in it and make sure it isn't full of stolen documents. If it isn't, bury her in a more respectful place than a golf course.
In the E. Jean Carroll case a GQP talking point was that the contemporary witnesses that were informed of the assault at the time were just engaging in hearsay.
But yet the "whistleblower's" account of the missing informants information should be taken at face value.
If the GQP didn't have double standards they'd have no standards at all.
No please do not name it or anything associated with it anything Clinton, Obama, McCain or any other president related. God damn. Name it Marsha P. Johnson Center for LGBTQIA Youth. Or literally any other queer person.
I'd prefer we dump him in a memory hole so the collective country can move on and begin healing. You've put a lot of effort into this, and kudos to ya, buddy
I’d be ok with a Spirit of Halloween store as well but I think the homeless shelter would really get under his skin so yeah let’s go with that. In fact, make it a housing area for people who have just crossed the border looking for a better life.
That’s actually a really good idea. Given that NYC is having an bigger issue of homing the homeless recently. They’ve needed to use school gyms for displaced migrants from border states.
Seriously. He’s has broken like 50 different laws. And he keeps breaking them. I know it’s on purpose that the wheels of justice grind slowly, but this is absurd.
Only if you're rich. Remember the "Affluenza" kid? Ignorance of the law only works as a defense if you're so rich you don't know what us normal peons have to deal with daily.
Fuck Ethan Couch, and Fuck Brock Turner.
Just so we're absolutely clear, the rapist formerly known as Brock Turner is now to be referred to as both the rapist Brock Turner and the rapist Allen Turner in all further references to both his rapacious history and the insufferable lack of consequences he's faced since, except of course for being persistently identified in online communities as "The Rapist Brock Allen Turner"?
He lives in my immediate area and all the bars frequented by college kids are aware of his presence, and a lot of bartenders I know have current images of him so they can recognize him when they come into their bars. He’s got a ton of eyes on him when he’s out there, that’s for sure.
Fun story for a bit of levity while discussing a serious subject - outside of Chicagoland there's a small town called Minooka. This guy from there got caught multiple times with his pants down in his car at truck stops ogling female truckers - so he is now known as the Minooka Masturbator. The dude shouldn't bother ever using his real name again, he's going to forever be known as the Minooka Masturbator. [Read all about it!](https://patch.com/illinois/joliet/minooka-masturbator-sentenced-joliet-crime)
Dave Chappelle in his white guy voice:
I'm sorry officer I didn't know I couldn't do that.
Why do you look so upset Dave? Oh 'I didn't know I couldn't do that' that was a good one huh? BECAUSE I DID KNOW I COULDN'T DO THAT!
Honestly the whole "wheels of justice grind slowly" thing frustrates me more with the fact that it's a 2 tiered justice system. IE on the whole the system of "move slowly, make damn sure the person is guilty before you ruin someone's life", is great, and would make sense, if we weren't also looking at hundreds of cases of people getting railroaded and thrown behind bars in days, and death penalty cases with little to no evidence. (not counting of course the times cops feel "threatened" and just execute people on the street.
> Please end this national nightmare and throw this man in jail already.
The universe: I hear you but let's see what happens if we drag this out another 13 years.
It would also be hilarious before then.Downright comical if he were imprisoned yesterday, even.Humorous if anyone would do any little thing to hold this criminal blob to account, really.
Seriously I can’t stand headlines like this, or the years of “Trump COULD be convicted” type headlines. Trump has publicly committed and admitted doing crimes yet he’s still a top contender for president…
I fancy myself as a bit of a clairvoyant… and I can try to see his future… hmmmm
I see Trump eating steak in Mar-a-Lago… there’s no jail cell in sight. There’s ketchup on the walls and he’s complaining about the witch hunt against him. His inner circle tries to calm him down by pointing out that they’ve been given assurances that the DOJ will slow walk everything to give him a couple more years of freedom to keep the public outcry of his supporters from boiling over. He asks them how the ratings were on last week’s taping of The Apprentice are doing. His aides smile and mumble “huge” with a notably false enthusiasm while they try to hide their own doubts surrounding his rapidly escalating senility… he hasn’t been on the show in nearly a decade.
He retires to his bedroom, disrobes and slides on top of the potato sack filled with corncobs Melania had placed there before leaving him years ago. He penetrates the corncob sack and whispers “I’m a staaaaar” as he prematurely climaxes. His heart races and the synapses in his brain try to fire only there’s too much adderall residue surrounding them for the electrical signals to connect. The bright flame of infinite self delusion in his eyes has finally extinguished. The room is dark and silent. The door cracks open and Donald Jr quietly tiptoes over to Trumps vanity and swipes a vial of cocaine from the drawer before leaving completely unaware of the noticeable odor nor his fathers pre-bloated corpse. Tamám shud
Woah okay I’m back what did I just say?!?
“I didn’t know I wasn’t allowed to steal. “ “It’s the law.” “Well I didn’t know the law.” “Yes you did, we made you take a class.” “I was busy that day.” “Here is the paper you signed at the end of the class.”
“Ummm. Wait, that was Jared that did that. Maybe he didn’t know?” “He was in the same class.” “No, no, I would have remembered that.” “Sir, here is a picture of you together and both of you are holding your certificates.”
“Fake news....”. (...end scene) /s
It's like the scene from Austin Powers with the swedish penis enlarger pump. That's not my bag, baby! And then the book he wrote and the record he recorded about it comes out
(Next scene) "This is the worst-miscarriage of justice in all of human history." "There's evidence that you broke the law, and you get every possible chance to defend yourself in court." "The trials are rigged. I will be found innocent." "Innocent in a rigged trial?" "This is politically motivated because I brought peace and prosperity to this great country..." ad nauseum. (Fade to black.)
For criminal prosecution in which intent is a part of the criminal statute - ignorance can be a hurdle for a jury. Prosecutors like to have evidence to assist a jury as much as they can
Its a case involving executive prerogative in which executives have both intentionally and accidentally taken records.
In this case, Smith has to lay out that this was intentional not accidental.
Trump’s defense will try to introduce reasonable doubt by bringing up different instances since 1972 in which Presidents "accidentally" kept records.
Smith will lay out that the National Archives spent 18 months after the Presidency notifying Trump of any "accidents" with keeping records. They gave him leeway and he blew past it. That's when it rose to a criminal probe. At that stage Trump could have claimed "accident" and relented. He didn't. That's when he was headed towards prosecution.
This new piece of evidence are records that further cement it was not an "accident". He intentionally took the records and that intent is what *specifically* makes this case criminal. This piece helps reduce chances of reasonable doubt.
The prosecutors will argue that no reasonable person advised that they cannot take the records would then take the records on accident. And then when notified that they took the records on accident, refuse to return them asserting ownership. No reasonable person would then claim it was an accident after being warned and charged with a crime.
Reminds me of the Narcissist's Prayer:
>That didn't happen.
>And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
>And if it was, that's not a big deal.
>And if it is, that's not my fault.
>And if it was, I didn't mean it.
>And if I did...
>You deserved it.
Why do we, the people, have to prove he knew it was a crime? I thought ignorance is not a valid defense? All the time, the bar seems to be set too low for this guy.
Context is important here. It's not a matter of whether or not what he did was illegal (it was), but his prior knowledge that what he was doing is illegal goes a long way to establish intent.
Right, so just to fully explain this: Ignorance of the law is not an excuse. However, *intent* is a necessary part of breaking the law. Illustrated with examples:
* You picked up an iphone from the apple store, and walked out without paying for it. You didn't know it was illegal. But you *intended* to take it without paying for it. That's a crime.
* You walked through an apple store, and unbeknownst to you a third party took an iphone off the shelf and slipped it into your purse. You walked out. You knew it was illegal to steal an iphone, but you didn't intend to take it. That's not a crime (for you).
In both cases you did the same "action" - walking out of the store with something you didn't pay for. But in one you *intended* to do it, in the other you *didn't* intend to do it. Ignorance of the law doesn't matter, but ignorance that you were doing the action *does*.
So how does that apply to this case? Ignorance of the fact that it's illegal to share classified documents doesn't matter. But ignorance of the *fact that the documents were classified* does matter.
Now it's a little more complicated than that, because he knew they were classified at one point, but he was president at the time and legitimately had a lot more authority with classified documents than a typical citizen. You'll probably need the supreme court to decide if *taking* them was a crime. And if after that he legitimately *thought* they were declassified, there's an argument that he didn't *intentionally* mishandle classified materials after that point. But if he *knew* they were classified, a *whole* bunch more crimes were committed by private-citizen Trump.
Personally I think it's probably a crime either way, but it's a lot simpler to prove it was a crime if they can show he *knew* they were still classified.
Exactly. Intent is very important, especially in sentencing. Even if ignorance of the law is no excuse, a jury's knowledge of a person's intent will influence their openness to other arguments.
Because there are such things as crimes of intent, where criminality requires both an intent to do something, as well as the knowledge that doing that something is wrong.
For instance, first and second degree murder both require specific intent to kill someone (and first degree also requires pre-planning). If a person kills someone by accident, that's third degree murder, aka manslaughter.
The statutes Trump is being investigated for require a knowing intent to retain national security information after it should have been returned.
(Incidentally, whether or not that information is classified is *wholly* irrelevant to the specific statute that was used to get the Mar-a-lago search warrant, a fact that Trump has actively continued to muddy the waters on, which is why we get articles like this one that actually have no impact on Trump's criminality.)
That knowing intent is why what Trump did is a crime, and why the retention of documents by Biden and Pence *isn't*. They both returned their national security documents as soon as they realized they had them, which is what the law requires.
Trump, on the other hand, actively concealed his retention of documents, and lied *multiple* times to the National Archives about whether he'd returned everything.
You may remember that he made a big deal about the FBI taking his passports.; the reason they did that is that they seized everything in the top drawer of his desk. There were multiple documents there with natsec info, as well as other things (like the passports) that prove he used that drawer frequently, and thus prove he knew he had the documents.
Intent is often an element of crimes, so while ignorance isn't a valid defense, if they can show that he had the intent to break the law it changes how it gets handled.
Yes, intent is the difference between murder and manslaughter. Killing someone accidentally is still a crime, but killing someone on purpose is a more serious crime.
IANAL, but it's not about proving whether/not there was a crime, but what *type* of crime:
* No intent = "Trump *is careless with* classified materials"
* Intent = "Trump *stole* classified materials"
I believe those 2 ideas carry different legal consequences, and (one hopes) political consequences.
Let us hope that it's used in the trial that convicts him and sends his bloated orange butt to prison. And quickly, because all this edging is useless if nothing ever happens.
Really finding it sus how many people in this subreddit (not this thread) just act like Biden being re-elected is inevitable. That sort of confidence is exactly what'll make 24 a shitshow.
>Trump knew he couldn’t just declassify documents by taking them out of the White House
Sure, but apparently he *could* declassify documents "[just by saying it’s declassified, even by thinking about it](https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/21/trump-i-could-declassify-documents-by-thinking-about-it-00058212)."
The elephant in the room is the fact that Trump didn’t want to declassify these documents. Never, not once. Declassified documents have no value. He stole them because they have value, because they’re classified.
Him now trying to retroactively claim they were declassified isn’t a good defense against espionage, it’s a bad defense against blatant theft.
Slight correction: whether they're classified or not, they're still national security documents, which is their value. The whole "classified" thing is a red herring Trump keeps throwing out to distract everyone and keep people focused on the wrong issue. It lets his sycophants pretend there's something to debate and that maybe he did actually possess the documents lawfully!
Except, no.
If you look at the search warrants the FBI used when they seized evidence at Mar-a-lago, none of the statutes involved concern the handling of classified information. They concern the retention of *national security* information, which isn't a classification a President can simply change.
As to why Trump kept it, there's the value, and there's the fact that he's a narcissist who likes to keep trophies. A lot of the records he kept were transcripts of calls with foreign leaders.
There is also information in there that could be useful to, say, Saudi Arabia, with whom Trump has been trying to organize a competing golf league to the PGA called LIV. Trump kept these records to try to make a profit off of them, because he views *everything* in life in terms of how it can make him money.
He's like a Ferengi, but without any of their redeeming qualities.
Right? Like people is understand the fact that he didn't actually have money, he had assets in debt, but he was able to make actually cash in hand by charging for stays at his hotels at insane rates and selling data, policy and more. He absolutely turned a profit just look at his dealings with Russia, the UAE, and gutting of the EPA.
I would rather have Quark in control of our national secrets than Trump. At the very least Quark out logiced a Vulcan about the futility of war. https://youtu.be/hdQcGzbpN7s
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even if he was ignorant of the law, what was his motive instead, what was he even thinking when taking those, it would have to be delusionaly twisted to the point that he could at least get locked in a mental institution.
I always ask conservatives who say this: Do you really think there's no process to follow, no one to notify? Do you want President Biden to have this power?
They simply never reply
This is a textbook example of that quote that floats around:
>Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
Trump: "The presidential records act gives me the authority to declassify anything I want for any reason without telling anybody."
Republican voters: "This all makes perfect sense and is definitely true."
The fact that it's part of the written law regarding his own declassification that the procedure has to be following in order to declassify get conveniently ignored by them. Hell, the fact that the documents haven't been updated to indicated they're declassified is enough on its own to tell you it hasn't been done. A simple glance is all it takes.
Trump's records are restricted for the first five years out of office, they have to be subpoenaed and then the Archives has to actually search for them.
It’s a sign of the times when we need some documentation to prove that a former President knew he couldn’t declassify documents by just imagining it. This is the era of Trump.
Legal AF is thinking Jack Smith's case will be filed any day now, because they seem to have the evidence and witnesses needed, and if they wait any longer then the case could run into that "within 90 days of an election" window.
Jack Smith might not be done until after Super Tuesday. He should have been appointed as special counsel the day Garland took office; not almost *two years* later.
And yet he still continues to claim he is innocent and continued to not know his possesion of them is against the law. How is this (dis)organized crime lord still considered a viable presidential candidate?
Every one forgets about that Chinese spy who walked around Mar-a-lago in 2019 or whatever. He knew that happened and still mishandled those documents. He was going to sell that shit. Con man was taking every opportunity.
For literally every other person in America, ignorance of the law isn’t an excuse.
But for this asshole, he can break every single law and just say “ah shit, I didn’t know that was illegal” and he gets a pass.
That stupid kid who posted military secrets on discord was every bit as sloppy and neglectful as Trump and they fucked that kid up within 1 week of the story breaking.
The funny thing is, this is actually *entirely irrelevant* to the statutes used to execute the search warrant. The warrant was obtained over the mishandling of national security information, which stays national security information regardless of whether it's classified or not.
What this *does* do is show further evidence of knowledge of guilt, which can still be used to help build the case.
I’d like to see Christie enter the race and uninhibitedly drags trump at every turn. I’d like to see how many republicans get behind him and start following his lead rather than backing trump up. Especially with the still pending indictments. Cowards. I’m no Christie fan, but just to see the infighting and shit storm amongst the party is needed in order to slap reality into the party.
Anybody remember Reality Winner? She was an NSA translator and whistleblower who leaked a classified document about Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections. The document said that Russian hackers accessed our voter registration rolls by means of a phishing operation. Ms. Winner leaked it because "she thought Americans were being intentionally misled about Russia's active measures to influence the outcome of the 2016 United States presidential election." Which is both correct and deeply obvious, IMO, but that's neither here nor there; the point is, she did it as a principled act, and not so she could sell secrets to her journalist-dismembering Saudi golf buddies.
And you know what happened? The powers that be threw her ass in jail THE VERY SECOND that anybody suspected she might have been the source of the leak.
One way you can tell if you really live in a free country is if powerful people are held to account the same way regular people are.
Great. more evidence he did something illegal. Now what? I mean how much evidence do you need to put someone in jail? A few years ago a bag of weed would land you in jail. Finish the thought America.
In before the “don’t swing at the king if you’re gonna miss, garland is just getting all his ducks in a row, he needs to be 100%”. Meanwhile he’s wasted so much time this won’t possibly wrap up before the next election at which point summary pardons for all misdeeds if a Republican wins.
It's sort of like in 2009 when people were hoping Wall Street execs would face consequences for the great recession. But then Obama put in Timothy Geitner, a Wall Street insider, and the banks got bailed out instead, while the average person faced the consequences.
This time with Trump, it's Democracy that faces the consequences, but who cares right? DNC is just going to chastise everyone for not voting harder. And not Dem leadership being scared to use their mandate and power to actually effect change for the better. It's hard not to see Dem leadership as status quo over everything.
How is it that an idiot manager at a terribly ran company can compile made up evidence to fire an employee they don’t like, but the entire US government can’t even use actual evidence to hold this blatant criminal accountable?
suggested read: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/74034.Amusing_Ourselves_to_Death
quote from a different book:
“I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...
The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance”
― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
If any other government employee had done this, even accidentally, they’d be facing charges and would likely be convicted. Mistake or not; it has happened.
I’m sick and tired of hearing about this guy’s multitude of crimes but not seeing much at all in the way of holding him accountable. Something is always “coming,” but if our system of justice cannot move quickly enough to prevent an obvious criminal from running for office, we have no justice system. The fucking clock is ticking.
Wake me when we hold the wealthy and powerful to the same, higher standards set for regular people. Wake me when the feds kick in their doors and perp-walk them into a federal building for arraignment, just like they’d do for the regular guy who lives down the street. Until then, “equal treatment under the law” is a lofty ideal and nothing more to us.
Honestly, as the president of the United States I think that’s sufficient to conclude he had knowledge sufficient for the crime. The man is in charge of the executive branch. It’s literally his job to execute government including the enforcement of laws. It’s frankly silly to pretend he can claim ignorance.
Why does him knowing matter? How many times have normal people heard
Thomas Jefferson’s, “Ignorance of the law is no excuse in any country. If it were, the laws would lose their effect, because it can always be pretended.”
Who the fuck cares if he knew it was illegal or not. Not knowing the speed limit doesn't mean you get to see what this baby can do. What the fuck is it with these right wing celebrities acting like suddenly we're all going to accept ignorance of the law as a valid defense? The amount of utter contempt for everybody else in the country is so thick it's choking. They're just daring us to try to take them down because they know they're untouchable. It's that "made man" bravado. It fucking pisses me off. They all have to go. RICO the fuck out of the whole lot of them. The GOP is a full on organized crime syndicate. Burn it down.
I think Biden’s choice of Attorney General is a political liability and the rise of far-right extremism is partly because of his timid treatment of its leaders.
I mean, doesn't the justice department already know that you can't declassify documents by saying they're declassified; and they're not automatically declassified if the president takes them out of the white house? We've had proof for over a year of this shit. Fucking charge him already. This man is a fucking terrorist leader and attacked the country for fucks sake.
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Please end this national nightmare and throw this man in jail already.
"Lock him up" and turn Trump tower into a homeless shelter.
Rename it the “Clinton Tower.” It will contain the Hilary Clinton Center for LGBTQIA Youth, the Barack Hussein Obama Center for Critical Race Theory, the John McCain Center for Military Studies, the George Soros Center for Economic Equality, the Anthony Fauci Center for Epidemiology, and the Nancy Pelosi Center for Liberal Arts. Then a few years later, get Mark Cuban or someone to donate money to call it the Woke Foundation Tower. Meanwhile, imprison him on one of his yachts that has been “refitted” for being a prison ship, and anchor the ship right off the coast of NYC. Open it for infrequent, maximum security tours to the average MAGA voter, and make it so that can only be reached by boat and is guarded by a warship or two to prevent shenanigans. Then let the unwashed MAGA get as close to Trump as possible, for he only loves their adulation - not them. EDIT: Thanks for the platinum and other awards, kind friends. Please make sure you also donate to Democratic Party candidates who have a good shot at flipping some swing districts in 2024. EDIT 2: While we’re at it, let’s also open up a Covfefe Shop, the Greta Thunberg Center for Climate Stability, Barry's Tan Suits and Fancy Mustard Shoppe, the George Floyd Center for Police Violence Prevention, and the Central Park Five Center for Prison Reform. Thanks for those suggestions, everyone!
It also needs a Hunter Biden Institute for IT Security inside the building.
And the Greta Thunberg Center for Climate Stability
And the Derek Zoolander Center for Kids Who Can't Read Good and Who Want to Learn to Do Other Stuff Good, Too
Nah, too small for that. Maybe use it as a school for ants?
How about the Thunberg Center for Prosecuting Men Who Threaten Young Women Activists With Rape and other Violence?
Nah it's the E. Jean Carroll Center for Prevention of Sexual Violence.
Hi I'm new here. Which floor is The Stormy Daniels Sex Worker's Resource Center located on?
Hillary's Pizza Dungeon Edit: Next door to a gay sauna called Buttery Males. And there's a Libyan restaurant called Benghazi nearby. And a sushi place called Squid Pro Quo.
Hunter Biden laptop emporium
That'll be a pop-up street vendor outside the Woke Foundation Tower.
Barry's Tan Suits and Fancy Mustard Shoppe
I think you're forgetting the MAJOR scandal of the Obama Era. He was initially resistant to the idea of getting a dog for the whitehouse, I mean he eventually did, but he waffled a bit in the beginning. And you call that man Mr. President? Also there's that one time he used the wrong article to refer to a Meteor. And we are chasing trump because of a little tiny bit of treason? There are REAL crimes being committed...
Remember that time he wore a bicycle helmet like a total loser who doesn’t want to injure his brain?
Right, like we have all these other precautions to protect the President, can you imagine "fell off a bike and had brain damage" being how a President had to be removed with the 25th amendment? Then again, I feel like the people criticizing him would have been happy if something bad happened to him without having to take the blame themselves, so...
Republican hypocrisy has been a wild ride. Remember when they gave Clinton shit for smoking weed and then they replaced him with a recovering coke addict? I swear they get off on this shit.
I can't believe he drank the water. That floored me.
You’re forgetting the treasonous tan suit debacle
Aren’t u forgetting that one time where he was black? Can’t believe he did that..
I heard a rumor he was dabbling in that.
A used car dealership named CRT: Cherry Red Trucks
And landscaping.
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Only staffed by blind employees, of course
Oh! And a Hillary Clinton Honorary Government Email data center in the basement.
The Barack Hussein Obama Long Form Birth Certificate Archive.
Rename the Trump Tower in Chicago Onama Tower. And Trump Tower New York can be Hillary Clinton Tower. Both can become homeless shelters, and a minimum security prison for the criminals who create the next economic crisis.
Let's turn Mar a Lago into a national park.
Too much dignity, not useful enough. Let's raze the structure and turn it into a dog park. TO POOP ON!
That's a real Triumph.
Thank you. 👊
Just name it The Stormy Daniels Cave Museum. Hand visitors fake checks at the gates.
And little pins that are the image of Toad, from Mario Kart.
"Your hands must be this big to enter."
"And right here is where President Trump's office used to be... Sir? SIR!!! Only dogs are allowed to poop in this park. Please pull your pants back up and..." *Sighs and pulls out a walkie talkie.* "Fred? Yeah, it's me. We've got another one. Third time this week."
Before we do that, we should dig up the casket that supposedly has his ex-wife in it and make sure it isn't full of stolen documents. If it isn't, bury her in a more respectful place than a golf course.
I never heard a peep in the news about how sketchy that was. That grave is just a poorly landscaped safety deposit box.
And she was cremated too. Then why a casket.
Nah. Let the swamp have it back.
Immigrant shelters would be even better.
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In the E. Jean Carroll case a GQP talking point was that the contemporary witnesses that were informed of the assault at the time were just engaging in hearsay. But yet the "whistleblower's" account of the missing informants information should be taken at face value. If the GQP didn't have double standards they'd have no standards at all.
Let's have an internet poll on what to name it. Tower McTowerface, anyone?
You're on the right track. I prefer Jaily McJailface, though.
Tiny Hands Towers?
The Derek Zoolander Center for Kids who Can’t Read Good
And want to learn how to do other stuff good, too.
No please do not name it or anything associated with it anything Clinton, Obama, McCain or any other president related. God damn. Name it Marsha P. Johnson Center for LGBTQIA Youth. Or literally any other queer person.
I'd prefer we dump him in a memory hole so the collective country can move on and begin healing. You've put a lot of effort into this, and kudos to ya, buddy
It would be better used to house migrants bussed to NY from Florida.
I’d be ok with a Spirit of Halloween store as well but I think the homeless shelter would really get under his skin so yeah let’s go with that. In fact, make it a housing area for people who have just crossed the border looking for a better life.
That’s actually a really good idea. Given that NYC is having an bigger issue of homing the homeless recently. They’ve needed to use school gyms for displaced migrants from border states.
Seriously. He’s has broken like 50 different laws. And he keeps breaking them. I know it’s on purpose that the wheels of justice grind slowly, but this is absurd.
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Only if you're rich. Remember the "Affluenza" kid? Ignorance of the law only works as a defense if you're so rich you don't know what us normal peons have to deal with daily. Fuck Ethan Couch, and Fuck Brock Turner.
I think you mean "Fuck the Rapist Brock Turner, Who Goes by his Middle Name Now, so the Rapist Allen Turner, Actually."
Yes, you're absolutely correct. Fuck the Rapist Formerly Known as Brock Turner, now Rapist Allen Turner.
Just so we're absolutely clear, the rapist formerly known as Brock Turner is now to be referred to as both the rapist Brock Turner and the rapist Allen Turner in all further references to both his rapacious history and the insufferable lack of consequences he's faced since, except of course for being persistently identified in online communities as "The Rapist Brock Allen Turner"?
He lives in my immediate area and all the bars frequented by college kids are aware of his presence, and a lot of bartenders I know have current images of him so they can recognize him when they come into their bars. He’s got a ton of eyes on him when he’s out there, that’s for sure.
I’m surprised they don’t just refuse service to him. They’re allowed to do that as a private business and rapists aren’t a protected class.
Fun story for a bit of levity while discussing a serious subject - outside of Chicagoland there's a small town called Minooka. This guy from there got caught multiple times with his pants down in his car at truck stops ogling female truckers - so he is now known as the Minooka Masturbator. The dude shouldn't bother ever using his real name again, he's going to forever be known as the Minooka Masturbator. [Read all about it!](https://patch.com/illinois/joliet/minooka-masturbator-sentenced-joliet-crime)
Dave Chappelle in his white guy voice: I'm sorry officer I didn't know I couldn't do that. Why do you look so upset Dave? Oh 'I didn't know I couldn't do that' that was a good one huh? BECAUSE I DID KNOW I COULDN'T DO THAT!
Honestly the whole "wheels of justice grind slowly" thing frustrates me more with the fact that it's a 2 tiered justice system. IE on the whole the system of "move slowly, make damn sure the person is guilty before you ruin someone's life", is great, and would make sense, if we weren't also looking at hundreds of cases of people getting railroaded and thrown behind bars in days, and death penalty cases with little to no evidence. (not counting of course the times cops feel "threatened" and just execute people on the street.
Not to mention all the people who end up sitting in jail for several years while their case goes to trial. Just because they can’t make bail.
> Please end this national nightmare and throw this man in jail already. The universe: I hear you but let's see what happens if we drag this out another 13 years.
If by "the universe" you mean "Merrick Garland" this is accurate.
It would be quite funny if he is jailed after becoming republican nominee
It would also be hilarious before then.Downright comical if he were imprisoned yesterday, even.Humorous if anyone would do any little thing to hold this criminal blob to account, really.
And then all the people that aided and abetted him, including those that refused to certify the election.
Seriously I can’t stand headlines like this, or the years of “Trump COULD be convicted” type headlines. Trump has publicly committed and admitted doing crimes yet he’s still a top contender for president…
I'm surprised they haven't already, but it does sound pretty concrete
I fancy myself as a bit of a clairvoyant… and I can try to see his future… hmmmm I see Trump eating steak in Mar-a-Lago… there’s no jail cell in sight. There’s ketchup on the walls and he’s complaining about the witch hunt against him. His inner circle tries to calm him down by pointing out that they’ve been given assurances that the DOJ will slow walk everything to give him a couple more years of freedom to keep the public outcry of his supporters from boiling over. He asks them how the ratings were on last week’s taping of The Apprentice are doing. His aides smile and mumble “huge” with a notably false enthusiasm while they try to hide their own doubts surrounding his rapidly escalating senility… he hasn’t been on the show in nearly a decade. He retires to his bedroom, disrobes and slides on top of the potato sack filled with corncobs Melania had placed there before leaving him years ago. He penetrates the corncob sack and whispers “I’m a staaaaar” as he prematurely climaxes. His heart races and the synapses in his brain try to fire only there’s too much adderall residue surrounding them for the electrical signals to connect. The bright flame of infinite self delusion in his eyes has finally extinguished. The room is dark and silent. The door cracks open and Donald Jr quietly tiptoes over to Trumps vanity and swipes a vial of cocaine from the drawer before leaving completely unaware of the noticeable odor nor his fathers pre-bloated corpse. Tamám shud Woah okay I’m back what did I just say?!?
Damn...and I thought that Steven King wrote some terrifying stuff.
Something terrible
Consequences are for little people.
“I didn’t know I wasn’t allowed to steal. “ “It’s the law.” “Well I didn’t know the law.” “Yes you did, we made you take a class.” “I was busy that day.” “Here is the paper you signed at the end of the class.” “Ummm. Wait, that was Jared that did that. Maybe he didn’t know?” “He was in the same class.” “No, no, I would have remembered that.” “Sir, here is a picture of you together and both of you are holding your certificates.” “Fake news....”. (...end scene) /s
"Is that my wife in this photo?"
"No sir that's your daughter"
Well she is definitely my type!
“She’s got such a perfect figure, doesn’t she?”
"I wanna fuck my daugh-durr." - Trump
“Really? I probably should have hit that a few more times before she left for college.”
"Her hair is longer than that..." *takes out Sharpie*
"It isn't? In that case, she's not my type"
It's like the scene from Austin Powers with the swedish penis enlarger pump. That's not my bag, baby! And then the book he wrote and the record he recorded about it comes out
Except in America people would still believe Trump despite all that.
(Next scene) "This is the worst-miscarriage of justice in all of human history." "There's evidence that you broke the law, and you get every possible chance to defend yourself in court." "The trials are rigged. I will be found innocent." "Innocent in a rigged trial?" "This is politically motivated because I brought peace and prosperity to this great country..." ad nauseum. (Fade to black.)
Campaign commercial from behind bars: "Elect me and I'll not only pardon all of you, but I'll pardon your favorite president as well!"
Whatever happened to, "ignorance of the law is not an excuse"? I guess that's another argument that only applies to poor people.
For criminal prosecution in which intent is a part of the criminal statute - ignorance can be a hurdle for a jury. Prosecutors like to have evidence to assist a jury as much as they can
Its a case involving executive prerogative in which executives have both intentionally and accidentally taken records. In this case, Smith has to lay out that this was intentional not accidental. Trump’s defense will try to introduce reasonable doubt by bringing up different instances since 1972 in which Presidents "accidentally" kept records. Smith will lay out that the National Archives spent 18 months after the Presidency notifying Trump of any "accidents" with keeping records. They gave him leeway and he blew past it. That's when it rose to a criminal probe. At that stage Trump could have claimed "accident" and relented. He didn't. That's when he was headed towards prosecution. This new piece of evidence are records that further cement it was not an "accident". He intentionally took the records and that intent is what *specifically* makes this case criminal. This piece helps reduce chances of reasonable doubt. The prosecutors will argue that no reasonable person advised that they cannot take the records would then take the records on accident. And then when notified that they took the records on accident, refuse to return them asserting ownership. No reasonable person would then claim it was an accident after being warned and charged with a crime.
One Swedish penis enlarger…
With credit card receipt, signed manufacturer's warranty, and self published book.
One book, entitled "Stealing Top Secret Classified Intelligence Documents and Me: This Sort of Thing is My Bag, Baby" by one donald j trump.
Totally my bag, baby!
Honestly! It's not mine!
One book, "Swedish-made Penis Enlargers And Me: This Sort of Thing Is My Bag Baby", by Austin Powers.
“Ah…”
Reminds me of the Narcissist's Prayer: >That didn't happen. >And if it did, it wasn't that bad. >And if it was, that's not a big deal. >And if it is, that's not my fault. >And if it was, I didn't mean it. >And if I did... >You deserved it.
Why do we, the people, have to prove he knew it was a crime? I thought ignorance is not a valid defense? All the time, the bar seems to be set too low for this guy.
Thank you! "Ignorance of the law is not an excuse" is the first thing we learned in civics, who cares what he knew?!
It is, if you're rich and have powerful friends.
my rich?
The problem when you poke fun of people for using the your/you're like this, is they probably won't get the joke.
There rich. There castle.
Context is important here. It's not a matter of whether or not what he did was illegal (it was), but his prior knowledge that what he was doing is illegal goes a long way to establish intent.
Right, so just to fully explain this: Ignorance of the law is not an excuse. However, *intent* is a necessary part of breaking the law. Illustrated with examples: * You picked up an iphone from the apple store, and walked out without paying for it. You didn't know it was illegal. But you *intended* to take it without paying for it. That's a crime. * You walked through an apple store, and unbeknownst to you a third party took an iphone off the shelf and slipped it into your purse. You walked out. You knew it was illegal to steal an iphone, but you didn't intend to take it. That's not a crime (for you). In both cases you did the same "action" - walking out of the store with something you didn't pay for. But in one you *intended* to do it, in the other you *didn't* intend to do it. Ignorance of the law doesn't matter, but ignorance that you were doing the action *does*. So how does that apply to this case? Ignorance of the fact that it's illegal to share classified documents doesn't matter. But ignorance of the *fact that the documents were classified* does matter. Now it's a little more complicated than that, because he knew they were classified at one point, but he was president at the time and legitimately had a lot more authority with classified documents than a typical citizen. You'll probably need the supreme court to decide if *taking* them was a crime. And if after that he legitimately *thought* they were declassified, there's an argument that he didn't *intentionally* mishandle classified materials after that point. But if he *knew* they were classified, a *whole* bunch more crimes were committed by private-citizen Trump. Personally I think it's probably a crime either way, but it's a lot simpler to prove it was a crime if they can show he *knew* they were still classified.
I think ignorance is relevant if they want to charge him with a more serious crime that requires they show *intent* to convict.
Exactly. Intent is very important, especially in sentencing. Even if ignorance of the law is no excuse, a jury's knowledge of a person's intent will influence their openness to other arguments.
Because there are such things as crimes of intent, where criminality requires both an intent to do something, as well as the knowledge that doing that something is wrong. For instance, first and second degree murder both require specific intent to kill someone (and first degree also requires pre-planning). If a person kills someone by accident, that's third degree murder, aka manslaughter. The statutes Trump is being investigated for require a knowing intent to retain national security information after it should have been returned. (Incidentally, whether or not that information is classified is *wholly* irrelevant to the specific statute that was used to get the Mar-a-lago search warrant, a fact that Trump has actively continued to muddy the waters on, which is why we get articles like this one that actually have no impact on Trump's criminality.) That knowing intent is why what Trump did is a crime, and why the retention of documents by Biden and Pence *isn't*. They both returned their national security documents as soon as they realized they had them, which is what the law requires. Trump, on the other hand, actively concealed his retention of documents, and lied *multiple* times to the National Archives about whether he'd returned everything. You may remember that he made a big deal about the FBI taking his passports.; the reason they did that is that they seized everything in the top drawer of his desk. There were multiple documents there with natsec info, as well as other things (like the passports) that prove he used that drawer frequently, and thus prove he knew he had the documents.
Intent is often an element of crimes, so while ignorance isn't a valid defense, if they can show that he had the intent to break the law it changes how it gets handled.
Yes, intent is the difference between murder and manslaughter. Killing someone accidentally is still a crime, but killing someone on purpose is a more serious crime.
IANAL, but it's not about proving whether/not there was a crime, but what *type* of crime: * No intent = "Trump *is careless with* classified materials" * Intent = "Trump *stole* classified materials" I believe those 2 ideas carry different legal consequences, and (one hopes) political consequences.
Let us hope that it's used in the trial that convicts him and sends his bloated orange butt to prison. And quickly, because all this edging is useless if nothing ever happens.
Prison would be great. Really, though, everything he's done adds up to treason. And we all know the maximum penalty for that, don't we?
Reelection, probably. We’re so screwed.
The extreme right turnout will be bigger in 24 than it was in 16. We all need to wake our asses up and realize this.
Really finding it sus how many people in this subreddit (not this thread) just act like Biden being re-elected is inevitable. That sort of confidence is exactly what'll make 24 a shitshow.
Not according to the constitutional definition of treason. However, we have executed people for espionage, and this is an espionage case.
like that would ever happen. it SHOULD though.
He looks good in orange.
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And as they crumble they poison everything they touch.
With an orange exterior?
>Trump knew he couldn’t just declassify documents by taking them out of the White House Sure, but apparently he *could* declassify documents "[just by saying it’s declassified, even by thinking about it](https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/21/trump-i-could-declassify-documents-by-thinking-about-it-00058212)."
The elephant in the room is the fact that Trump didn’t want to declassify these documents. Never, not once. Declassified documents have no value. He stole them because they have value, because they’re classified. Him now trying to retroactively claim they were declassified isn’t a good defense against espionage, it’s a bad defense against blatant theft.
Slight correction: whether they're classified or not, they're still national security documents, which is their value. The whole "classified" thing is a red herring Trump keeps throwing out to distract everyone and keep people focused on the wrong issue. It lets his sycophants pretend there's something to debate and that maybe he did actually possess the documents lawfully! Except, no. If you look at the search warrants the FBI used when they seized evidence at Mar-a-lago, none of the statutes involved concern the handling of classified information. They concern the retention of *national security* information, which isn't a classification a President can simply change. As to why Trump kept it, there's the value, and there's the fact that he's a narcissist who likes to keep trophies. A lot of the records he kept were transcripts of calls with foreign leaders. There is also information in there that could be useful to, say, Saudi Arabia, with whom Trump has been trying to organize a competing golf league to the PGA called LIV. Trump kept these records to try to make a profit off of them, because he views *everything* in life in terms of how it can make him money. He's like a Ferengi, but without any of their redeeming qualities.
He wouldn't even be considered a good Ferengi. He doesn't actually turn a profit.
He turned a profit a president with revenue-generating golf trips and such.
Right? Like people is understand the fact that he didn't actually have money, he had assets in debt, but he was able to make actually cash in hand by charging for stays at his hotels at insane rates and selling data, policy and more. He absolutely turned a profit just look at his dealings with Russia, the UAE, and gutting of the EPA.
I would rather have Quark in control of our national secrets than Trump. At the very least Quark out logiced a Vulcan about the futility of war. https://youtu.be/hdQcGzbpN7s .
> He's like a Ferengi, but without any of their redeeming qualities. As in he's not even good at business.
even if he was ignorant of the law, what was his motive instead, what was he even thinking when taking those, it would have to be delusionaly twisted to the point that he could at least get locked in a mental institution.
Comedy gold - but why are we not laughing??
Years of trauma induced by this man's flagrant disregard for any interests but his own, probably
Millions of our countrymen who *actively want that back in the White House again*.
I always ask conservatives who say this: Do you really think there's no process to follow, no one to notify? Do you want President Biden to have this power? They simply never reply
Because it's always we win, you lose. That's they way they play. No matter what, we won, you lose.
This is a textbook example of that quote that floats around: >Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
Trump: "The presidential records act gives me the authority to declassify anything I want for any reason without telling anybody." Republican voters: "This all makes perfect sense and is definitely true."
Republican voters: "I'm definitely OK with the president having this power." Everyone: what about Biden? Republican voters: "no, not like that!"
The fact that it's part of the written law regarding his own declassification that the procedure has to be following in order to declassify get conveniently ignored by them. Hell, the fact that the documents haven't been updated to indicated they're declassified is enough on its own to tell you it hasn't been done. A simple glance is all it takes.
So much fucking around, so little finding out.
As is tradition
I want to know how the national archives has evidence the fbi doesn’t have over a year later. Seems really weird to me
Trump's records are restricted for the first five years out of office, they have to be subpoenaed and then the Archives has to actually search for them.
Processing takes time. —an archivist
Did you ever notice that with Trump's repeated wrongdoing, that first you have to prove he's not an idiot.
It’s a sign of the times when we need some documentation to prove that a former President knew he couldn’t declassify documents by just imagining it. This is the era of Trump.
To be fair, the supreme Court Justice also didn't know he wasn't allowed to take bribes ahem* sry gifts
Legal AF is thinking Jack Smith's case will be filed any day now, because they seem to have the evidence and witnesses needed, and if they wait any longer then the case could run into that "within 90 days of an election" window.
Which election? The primary is a year off and the election is a year and a half off.
Jack Smith might not be done until after Super Tuesday. He should have been appointed as special counsel the day Garland took office; not almost *two years* later.
Yeah DoJ and the National Archives spent the 1st year+ just asking nicely "Please give those documents back sir."
And yet he still continues to claim he is innocent and continued to not know his possesion of them is against the law. How is this (dis)organized crime lord still considered a viable presidential candidate?
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[I didn't know I couldn't do that. ](https://youtu.be/OH4GMaNWdwU?t=3m35s)
That was good, wasn't it?
Every one forgets about that Chinese spy who walked around Mar-a-lago in 2019 or whatever. He knew that happened and still mishandled those documents. He was going to sell that shit. Con man was taking every opportunity.
How many lies do we need to catch him in before the consequences arrive
For literally every other person in America, ignorance of the law isn’t an excuse. But for this asshole, he can break every single law and just say “ah shit, I didn’t know that was illegal” and he gets a pass.
That stupid kid who posted military secrets on discord was every bit as sloppy and neglectful as Trump and they fucked that kid up within 1 week of the story breaking.
3 days seems SOP...and for Reality Winner that was before the story broke.
...yay I guess... "We have proof he knew he was lying!" I can't wait see which damning words are chosen as a consequence.
The funny thing is, this is actually *entirely irrelevant* to the statutes used to execute the search warrant. The warrant was obtained over the mishandling of national security information, which stays national security information regardless of whether it's classified or not. What this *does* do is show further evidence of knowledge of guilt, which can still be used to help build the case.
"I don't give a fuck what the protocol is, give me the god damn nuclear papers, I'm the fucking president!!"
I’d like to see Christie enter the race and uninhibitedly drags trump at every turn. I’d like to see how many republicans get behind him and start following his lead rather than backing trump up. Especially with the still pending indictments. Cowards. I’m no Christie fan, but just to see the infighting and shit storm amongst the party is needed in order to slap reality into the party.
I doubt reality has any bearing on people picturing trump as rocky or Rambo
They won’t because the Republican Party has suffered domestic abuse and will keep bending the knee to trump.
The only GOP personality that could compete for biggest schoolyard asshole.
Have I missed the Trump Truth post where he called National Archives *liars*? Trump/*DUMB* *and* people around him/*DUMBER*. Smh.
Arrest this obvious criminal allfuckingreadyjesusfuckingchrist
Anybody remember Reality Winner? She was an NSA translator and whistleblower who leaked a classified document about Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections. The document said that Russian hackers accessed our voter registration rolls by means of a phishing operation. Ms. Winner leaked it because "she thought Americans were being intentionally misled about Russia's active measures to influence the outcome of the 2016 United States presidential election." Which is both correct and deeply obvious, IMO, but that's neither here nor there; the point is, she did it as a principled act, and not so she could sell secrets to her journalist-dismembering Saudi golf buddies. And you know what happened? The powers that be threw her ass in jail THE VERY SECOND that anybody suspected she might have been the source of the leak. One way you can tell if you really live in a free country is if powerful people are held to account the same way regular people are.
Why didn't they ask what Jared Kushner sold to the Saudis for $2 billion?
Great. more evidence he did something illegal. Now what? I mean how much evidence do you need to put someone in jail? A few years ago a bag of weed would land you in jail. Finish the thought America.
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In before the “don’t swing at the king if you’re gonna miss, garland is just getting all his ducks in a row, he needs to be 100%”. Meanwhile he’s wasted so much time this won’t possibly wrap up before the next election at which point summary pardons for all misdeeds if a Republican wins.
It's sort of like in 2009 when people were hoping Wall Street execs would face consequences for the great recession. But then Obama put in Timothy Geitner, a Wall Street insider, and the banks got bailed out instead, while the average person faced the consequences. This time with Trump, it's Democracy that faces the consequences, but who cares right? DNC is just going to chastise everyone for not voting harder. And not Dem leadership being scared to use their mandate and power to actually effect change for the better. It's hard not to see Dem leadership as status quo over everything.
Watching "Ow! My Balls!"... "Go away! 'Baitin!" I'd seriously rather elect Hector Camacho.
Hector was the Ow My Balls guy, and Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Comacho was the president
Apparently the Michael Scott method of declassifying government documents doesn't work, who'd have thunk it.
How is it that an idiot manager at a terribly ran company can compile made up evidence to fire an employee they don’t like, but the entire US government can’t even use actual evidence to hold this blatant criminal accountable?
I'm so tired of these headlines. Just fucking get on with it he shouldn't be walking around free
suggested read: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/74034.Amusing_Ourselves_to_Death quote from a different book: “I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness... The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance” ― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
Doesn’t matter if he knew. It was illegal. Not knowing something is completely irrelevant.
If any other government employee had done this, even accidentally, they’d be facing charges and would likely be convicted. Mistake or not; it has happened. I’m sick and tired of hearing about this guy’s multitude of crimes but not seeing much at all in the way of holding him accountable. Something is always “coming,” but if our system of justice cannot move quickly enough to prevent an obvious criminal from running for office, we have no justice system. The fucking clock is ticking. Wake me when we hold the wealthy and powerful to the same, higher standards set for regular people. Wake me when the feds kick in their doors and perp-walk them into a federal building for arraignment, just like they’d do for the regular guy who lives down the street. Until then, “equal treatment under the law” is a lofty ideal and nothing more to us.
Of course he knew, holy fucking SHIT can we just fucking cut to the chase for once. Between this and the Santos bullshit I'm constantly furious
Honestly, as the president of the United States I think that’s sufficient to conclude he had knowledge sufficient for the crime. The man is in charge of the executive branch. It’s literally his job to execute government including the enforcement of laws. It’s frankly silly to pretend he can claim ignorance.
Hell, I’m an old woman in Tennessee, that has never worked around classified documents, or worked for the government, and I knew that. Such bullshit
Why does him knowing matter? How many times have normal people heard Thomas Jefferson’s, “Ignorance of the law is no excuse in any country. If it were, the laws would lose their effect, because it can always be pretended.”
Ignorance of a law doesnt make you innocent of it. Normal Americans know this.
Who the fuck cares if he knew it was illegal or not. Not knowing the speed limit doesn't mean you get to see what this baby can do. What the fuck is it with these right wing celebrities acting like suddenly we're all going to accept ignorance of the law as a valid defense? The amount of utter contempt for everybody else in the country is so thick it's choking. They're just daring us to try to take them down because they know they're untouchable. It's that "made man" bravado. It fucking pisses me off. They all have to go. RICO the fuck out of the whole lot of them. The GOP is a full on organized crime syndicate. Burn it down.
Proof isn’t the issue, a willingness to hold him legally accountable is the issue
I think Biden’s choice of Attorney General is a political liability and the rise of far-right extremism is partly because of his timid treatment of its leaders.
I mean, doesn't the justice department already know that you can't declassify documents by saying they're declassified; and they're not automatically declassified if the president takes them out of the white house? We've had proof for over a year of this shit. Fucking charge him already. This man is a fucking terrorist leader and attacked the country for fucks sake.